1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Also media pedophile. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: It's a correct pronunciation going into this j just for 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: and that's the sentence we're starting the episode with, Welcome 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: to It could happen here a podcast where we teach 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: you how to pronounce the word pedophile or pedophile or 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: pedophily your Greek. You know, that's not how the Greeks 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: say it. I'm not doing any of this. Welcome to 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: the show. We're talking about some breaking news about friend 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: of the pod KRL Ray Jepstein. A joke I did 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: on the Behind the Bastards episodes about Epstein that nobody liked, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: least of all the lawyers. I don't like that either. 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: It wasn't even really a joke, just something I shouldn't 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: have said. 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is all barely breaking news because this 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: is stuff that we've known about for like ever. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: None of this is a mystery. We're not going to 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: be blowing any minds here that Jeffrey Epstein mean sexually 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: trafficked and molested children, or that Donald Trump probably did 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: as well. Well, he didn't do the trafficking, but you 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: know he was a party to it, allegedly, you know, 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: being alleged by a lot of people. Ruper Murdoch, one 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: of them, who is currently being sued for ten million 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: dollars in his capacity as owner of The Wall Street Journal. 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: So on July seventeenth, twenty twenty five, at six forty 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: five pm Eastern Standard time, The Wall Street Journal published 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: an article with the title Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: body letters for a fiftieth birthday album. One was from 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Body is one way to describe it. Body 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: is one way to describe it. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, indeed, it's really good to see a leftist 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: outlet like Wall Street Journal take this thing head on. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah finally, yes, you know, I've had my issues with them, 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: you know, being hardline Marxists as they are. That doesn't 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: fully del with my own beliefs, but you have to 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: respect them in this instance. You know, I'm not as 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: much of a Stalinist as the Wall Street Journal Fame Stalin. 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they've canceled us, because they're two wake cool. 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: The Little Red Book published by the Wall Street Journal, 40 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: big Malfant Pemphlets imprint. They've got history would absolve me. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 2: If they've got a Little Red Book. Yeah, yeah, they've 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: got a beautiful leather bound edition. Of Ted Kaczinski's manifesto. 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: Speaking of letter bound editions, Gillan Maxwell, I think this 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: initially came out because it was a Spanish like small 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: scale publisher that published that put out this like leatherbound 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: book for Gillan for to give to Jeffrey and god 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: do I want to see the whole copy because I 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: am curious to do who else submitted letters. But during 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: the FBI investigation into everything around Epstein, this was found 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: and it got leaked out to the Wall Street Journal. 51 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: I think the New York Times has now seen it, 52 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: so they're not the only people who have seen it. 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: So you've got a piece of paper and there is 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: a drawing that may or may not have been done 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: by Trump, but is alleged by some to have been 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: done by Trump, although he denies this, having said that 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: he has never written a picture in his life. But 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: it's like a silhouette of a naked woman and then 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's signature where pubic hare would be right, classy man, Yeah, 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: our current our president. Yeah, I had the guy with 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: the nuclear codes. Yeah, great stuff. And then the actual 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: text on the letter is written in the form of 63 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: a dialogue, right, So it's like written as like a 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: fake script of a conversation between Trump and Epstein voiceover. 65 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: There must be more to life than having everything, Donald, Yes, 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: there is, but I won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey, 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: nor will I since I also know what it is. Donald. 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do, 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: come to think of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it 71 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: was clear to me the last time I saw you. 72 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may 73 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: every day be another wonderful secret. 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: The thing I need a listener to understand about this episode, Right, 75 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: That is not the most incriminating thing Donald Trump is 76 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 5: going to say in this episode. 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: It's not even close to it. Although it is very funny. 78 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: This could hardly be more direct if the letter was 79 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: just Jeffrey, I love being a pedophile with you love 80 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: Donald Trump? Right, Like, that's less direct. Yet he has. 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: Gone further, but like he's just saying it. 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: So the Wall Street Journal publishes this, and they publish 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: this with like the least bit of editorializing that they can, right, 84 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: They're being very careful with this. Trump loses his fucking mind. 85 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: And this is obviously coming on the heels I probably 86 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: should have started with this important context. This is coming 87 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: on the heels of Pam Bondi and the Justice Department 88 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: announcing actually everything's cool and we're like not going to 89 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: be dropping any more info on Epstein. There's no client 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: list or anything. After Bondi hit or earlier this year, 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: been like, I have the Epstein client list on my desk, 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: and they handed out the Epstein papers, you know, release 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: one these like big binders that fucking the limbs of 94 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: TikTok Lady and Jack Pasobaic and a bunch of other 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: right wing influencers will walked out of the White House 96 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: with these big binders being like, Aha, we've got it. 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: We've got all the files that are gonna put all 98 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: the dims behind jail. And then a couple of months later, 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: Bondi and the DFJ is like, actually, there's nothing else 100 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: to tell anybody. We've got nothing. There's nothing interesting at 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: all about Epstein. So then this shit comes out, right, 102 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: it gets leaked from someone, presumably someone within the FBI right. 103 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: I think that's what we're left to assume at this point, 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: because this was revealed as a part of their investigation. Right, 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: this is some of the stuff that was confiscated, you know, 106 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: when Gilan Maxwell got taken into custody. Okay, so a 107 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: couple of things have happened since then. For one thing, 108 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: Trump is suing the Wall Street Journal for I believe 109 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: at least twenty billion dollars. This lawsuit was launched in 110 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: a federal court in Miami. Trump said, Andrew's social The 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: lawsuits filed not only in behalf of your favorite president, 112 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: all caps me, but in order to continue standing up 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: for all of them. So we'll no longer tolerate the 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: abusive wrongdoings of the fake news media. So this is 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: what Trump is claiming. Obviously, Trump denies any wrongdoing, denies 116 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: anything but kind of lightly knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And for 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: some context, Trump and Epstein have been seen together numerous times. 118 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: There are pictures and videos of them both together. Trump 119 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: talked about in interviews, including one with New York Magazine 120 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: where he said, like me, Jeffrey's known to really like women, 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: and some of them are on the younger side. Right, 122 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: He's been saying like this for years. Quote. 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: I've known Jeffer fifteen years terrific guy. He's a lot 124 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 3: of fun to be with. Demon said. He likes beautiful 125 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: women as much as I do, and many of them 126 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: are on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey 127 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: enjoys his social life. Two thousand and two, we know 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: they were friends. The information suggests that I think it's 129 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: around two thousand and five or six, they had a 130 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: falling out over a real estate deal. With the real 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: estate deal and one alleged incident at mar A Lago, 132 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: Yes where Jeffrey was acting quote unquote inappropriately to a 133 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: daughter of a member of the club and then Trump 134 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: bar him from the club. And Trump has claimed this 135 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: multiple times through the years. Between this and the real 136 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: estate deal that's led to their falling out. 137 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: There's other stories. There's one I've heard that Epstein got 138 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: really angry because Trump was physically like touching one of 139 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: Epstein's girlfriends, like one of his actual like partner girlfriends, 140 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: and that he got angry over that. We don't know, 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: but we do know that they were seen socially together 142 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: and talked about being friends for quite a while. 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: They were nighbors and they were like socialites both in 144 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: New York and in Franida. 145 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, for a while, from the eighties up through 146 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: the early two thousands. Right now, Trump has denied sending 147 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: this letter. He said that this doesn't sound like me. 148 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: He wrote on truth Social I don't draw pictures. 149 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 5: Now that was a lot. 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, this has sparked one of my favorite investigatory cycles. 151 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: The New York Times published an article right after this 152 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: post that says Trump says he doesn't draw pictures, but 153 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: many of the sketches sold at auction, and it was 154 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: like photos of a bunch of And to be fair, 155 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: none of these are sketches of naked women. But there's 156 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: a crude black marker drawing of the Empire State Building, 157 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: a lot of city skylines. Allegedly the drawing of the 158 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: woman was drawn in black marker, right, And they're noting 159 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: that he did a lot of black marker drawings, right. 160 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: He signs his bills in shoppy, doesn't He signs his 161 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: bills in sharpie, And that he has a signature that 162 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: does kind of look like pubic hair. Right, if you 163 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: were to like draw a crude set of Genitalia, Donald 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: Trump's signature could stand in for pubic hair, right, Like 165 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: the way that he signs this signature. That's one way 166 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: you could interpret it, right, It's. 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 5: Also noting and I think this is actually really important 168 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 5: when he signs this, right, he signs it like like 169 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 5: on this picture of like the Empire State Building. Right, 170 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: it's a really shitty drawing the Umpire State Building. His 171 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 5: signature is like right next to the building. If you're 172 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 5: drawing a picture of a naked woman and you shift 173 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 5: it like fIF. 174 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: The Empire State Building was sitting down in like an 175 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: L shape and had pubiccare. That's where the signature, right, 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: It's everything is exactly the same it was. The Blaire 177 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: State Building had pubic care. There's also a drawing that 178 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: he did. It's called the money Tree drawing. It looks 179 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: like if the giving tree was filled with dollars, and 180 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: again the signature kind of looks like pubic hair. Trump's 181 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: a little. 182 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Artists just got like but a sense underneath the money 183 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: tree to meditate. 184 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: That gets his alternative. 185 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: Trump did like yearly drawings and doodles for like charity auctions, 186 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: and that's what most of these are from. 187 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: And to be fair, a lot of US presidents have 188 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: been doodlers, you know, ike our former president doodled himself 189 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: with huge muscles during a meeting talking about the overthrow 190 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: of Guatemala by the same Chada funny. It's so funny. 191 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: I mean, so many people died a horrible deaths, but 192 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: it's really pretty funny. Chad Eisenhower. 193 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: The people of quachamaas just shredded entire indigenous civilizations, wipe 194 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 5: off the face of the earth forever, Like. 195 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: Look at Chad Eyesen, how a God. 196 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: If you have a Chad eise In how a tattoo, 197 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: please submit it to U Sophie on Twitter to issueses, 198 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: I write, Okay. 199 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: Look, I feel confident saying iHeartRadio will pay for anyone's tattoo. 200 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: If you want to get Chad Eisenhower as long as 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: it's a facial tattoo, you know, yeah. 202 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: You can get it in that uv ink that doing 203 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: tattoos in that say in the club triggering stampede from 204 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the downs fill. 205 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna cause another one of those fucking Jersey 206 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: nightclub fires that killed one and people. It's not funny. 207 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: A lot of people died anyway. There was also another God. 208 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: I should have it up here, but it's another investigation 209 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: into like does the writing that Trump did sound like 210 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: his other writing, and they found that Number one, Trump 211 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: has a number of times in the past put out 212 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: writing in the form of a hypothetical script between other people. 213 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: That is a thing he's done in the past. And 214 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: then multiple phrases that were used in this letter are 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: phrases he has used in the in some cases multiple. 216 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: Times, except some of the Mega investigators were able to 217 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: use Grok to ask if Trump ever used the word 218 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: enigma before, and Grok said no, So we closed that case. 219 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Never mind the fact that he said it on the campaign. 220 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: Trail in twenty sixteen, and he said multiple times in 221 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: his best selling. 222 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: Book No Evidence. He wrote that book he loves the word. Well, 223 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say he loves it, but he's used 224 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 2: the word enigma before. Right, he described Ben Carson as 225 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: an enigma. He's described Dan Rather as an enigma. So 226 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: maybe he and Epstein were both fucking Dan Rather. Is 227 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: that possible. I'm gonna say yes. I think you should 228 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: also be impeached for that, I think so. I'm sorry, 229 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: I have just got talking of Grok. 230 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm reading the Trump versus Murder doc lawsuit, which describe 231 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: Eggs dot Com as quote the Internet's watering hole. 232 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: What no, sorry, no, yeah, no longer the everything website 233 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: the watering hole. What are you doing? What is with you? People? 234 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Fucking jump off a bridge, you stupid sons bitious. 235 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: It is interesting you still really met at Elon because 236 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: Elon is also one of the originators of this current 237 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: wave of like Epstein focus. 238 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: And it's interesting. After the letter came out, Elon was 239 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: just like, obviously a fake. Obviously. I think he's scared. 240 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: I think some g men showed up at his door 241 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: and were like, this is a nice life you've got, 242 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: fucking Elon Musk. It would be a shape of a 243 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: hell fire missile, hit your house, hit your fucking compound 244 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: with all of your wives. 245 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 5: But the thing is, and this is the fun part 246 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 5: about this is like it doesn't matter what Elon says now, 247 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 5: like he already opened the floodgates and the games are fucking. 248 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: Open now, Like no, no, no, do. 249 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 5: You know what else the gates are open from? 250 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, is our advertisers and we're back. So this is 251 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: the gist of the situation. Now this letter is out, 252 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: and I'll lot of people, even I was, and I 253 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: still am to some extent kind of there's been so 254 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: many ops. This has to be it for old Donnie 255 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: Trump out of this one. Nitny wiggles this fucking way 256 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: out right, you know that said, this does seem to 257 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: be pissing off a lot of his more diehard people, right, 258 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: including fucking the Dilbert guy. We don't need to give 259 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: any name besides the Dilbert guy, but the Dilbert guy's 260 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: pissed about this. A lot of people who have been 261 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: like really religious Trump supporters are pissed as a result 262 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: of this. Ye Sean Ryan the right who is pissed 263 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: about this. 264 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: Even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been more 265 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: Trump critical the past week and has given interviews to 266 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: another mega influencer turned soft Trump critic, now Benny Johnson, 267 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: about how Trump handled this so poorly. And a lot 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: of them are trying to make this down into like 269 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: a messaging fail or like a rhetoric fumble, which obviously 270 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: it's so much more substantial than that. But cracks are 271 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: forming in a way that we haven't really seen for 272 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: his base in a long time. 273 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: And the thing I think is really important about this 274 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: is that, Okay, so this is me a going history mode. 275 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 5: If you look at a thing that has been studied 276 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 5: by an enormous amount by the left and I think 277 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 5: studied mostly wrong, which is how did the Bolsheviks actually 278 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: take power in nineteen seventeen. And the answer is that 279 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 5: when they came for Kerensky in the October Revolution, everyone 280 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 5: stayed home. Everyone looked at Kerensky and was like, I'm 281 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 5: not dying for that dip shit, like fuck them. Like 282 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 5: if there's like dueling machine gun companies in the street, 283 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 5: i Am not going to go die for Alexander Kerensky. 284 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: And that's all they won because everyone stayed home. And 285 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: that's the thing with Trump, right. The thing that's important 286 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 5: about this is that the way that Trump can be 287 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: defeated is if enough of his base just stays the 288 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: fuck home. Whenever the sort of terminal crisis hits and 289 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 5: every single thing we get like this, we're more and 290 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: more of his base is like, well, I mean I 291 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: could go face down a machine gun line for this guy, 292 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: but he did piss me off by Epstein, so like 293 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 5: fuck that. The more that it happens, the better it 294 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: is for all of us. Whenever the confrontations start to emerge. 295 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in general, just the more so, much 296 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: of the modern right is built on the Epstein stuff, 297 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: and a lot of it is a myth. Right, there's 298 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: a mythical idea that Epstein is trafficking small children and 299 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: he's not. He was trafficking teenage girls, because that's what 300 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: mostly rich adult men want to fuck, Right, That's just 301 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: the reality of the. 302 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: Situation, including famously Donald Trump. Yeah, he has like said 303 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: this before, and you can look at the many court 304 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: cases that have often been solved out of court legend 305 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: by him, and like, there's this clip of the Howard 306 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: Stern Show from the mid two thousands, which is kind 307 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: of an endless source of men saying horrible things. 308 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: I will include this clip here thing about four year olds. 309 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, would you do it? 310 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: I have no problem? Yeah, do you have any age limit? 311 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: Or would you no? 312 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: No, I have no age. 313 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: I mean I have an age. I don't want to 314 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: be like with you a twelve year old? Can I 315 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: make a prediction for you? 316 00:15:59,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 5: Good lord? 317 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: This is the incorrect response to this question. Yeah, this 318 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: question has a very clear like cut off point, which 319 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: even still is a little bit iffy. But this is 320 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: absolutely the wrong answer. The answer is not twelve years old. 321 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: This is that is Marty legally the wrong answer? Oh man. 322 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 5: You know, one of the things I think it's also 323 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 5: really important about this is looking at this in the 324 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 5: context of Trump's unbelievable number of sexual assault allegations. And 325 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 5: we're going to get into that in a second, but 326 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 5: first we need to ask the question, Okay, has Donald 327 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: Trump ever intentionally looked at the naked body of an 328 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 5: underage girl? And in order to figure out the answer 329 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: to this, I am going to turn to the man himself, 330 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 5: Donald Trump, talking about walking into the changing rooms of 331 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 5: teen Miss USA pageants and I quote, you know, no 332 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 5: men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because 333 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: I'm the owner of the pageant. I'm inspecting it is everyone. Okay, 334 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 5: you know they're standing there with no clothes and you 335 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 5: see these incredible looking women, and I sort of get 336 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 5: away with things like that. Now, that is our President, 337 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 5: Donald J. Trump saying that he walks into changing rooms 338 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 5: and looks at the bodies of naked underage girls and 339 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: says that they are anti quote, incredible looking women. Hey, 340 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 5: this is Mia from the future. So the Rolling Stone 341 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 5: piece where this quote from the Howard Stern interview is 342 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 5: pulled implies that Trump is specifically talking about Miss teen 343 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 5: USA when he talks about walking into pageants. In the 344 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 5: actual transcript, as Listener pointed out, Trump is referring to 345 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 5: the regular Miss USA thing, so he is specifically and 346 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 5: he does say this later on merely walking in on 347 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 5: women who are aged eighteen to twenty four. Well, they 348 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 5: are undressed, so that's worth clarifying. And I apologize for 349 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 5: the mistake. 350 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: I remember when this quote was going around like maybe 351 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: ta years ago. Yeah, and then just no one, no, no, 352 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: it's gone to the memory hole now. 353 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, disappear right, Like there's so much of this shit. 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: Like the Access Hollywood tape, but like. 355 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's actually worth like looking at this. 356 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 5: There's another quote from Vox where they say this is 357 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 5: an incident of like Trump walking in on a changing 358 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 5: room like of again like naked underage girls. Quote. The 359 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 5: Lottel told BuzzFeed she mentioned the incident to Trump's daughter Avonka, 360 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: who shrugged it off, saying, quote, yeah he does that, 361 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 5: so like yeah, like this is multiple people cooperating that 362 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 5: he just like walks into the changing rooms of naked 363 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 5: underage girls and like looks at their bodies right now, 364 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 5: I will call that pedophile shit, right Like, I don't 365 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 5: know if he wants to sue me for one billion dollars, 366 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: please don't. 367 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: But like sounds like he's alleging a pedophile shit. 368 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: He's the one who said this, so, like you know, 369 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 5: and it's worth noting also last year a jury did 370 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 5: rule that Trump had sexually assaulted an advice columnist named 371 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 5: em J. Carroll, and you had to pay her like 372 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 5: five million dollars. There's also again the like grabb him 373 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 5: by the pussy thing, which is him just talking about 374 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 5: sexually assaulting women, which he does constantly. He kept on 375 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: just like walking up to like people at his pageants 376 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 5: and just kissing him without their consent, which is again 377 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 5: sexual assault and directly tied to the Epstein case. We 378 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: have an allegation by former model Stacy Williams, which for 379 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 5: some reason, I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten 380 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 5: about this, who alleged that she was introduced to Trump 381 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 5: by Epstein, who like walked her to Trump Tower to 382 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: meet Donald Trump, where he then sexually assaulted her like 383 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 5: in front of Epstein. 384 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, in Trump Tower. 385 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: This was also included in a list the New York 386 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: Times put together a few days ago on like Trump 387 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: and Epstein's friendship quote. One of the young women who 388 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: later said mister Epstein greendon abused her, was recruited into 389 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: his world while working as a spot in an at 390 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: mar a Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Trump 391 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: during a brief encounter in mister Epstein's office and claimed 392 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: that mister Epstein told Trump at the time, quote, she's 393 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: not for you. 394 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 5: So like he just like says this, right, And I 395 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 5: think this is you know, part of the problem that 396 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: we've been sort of getting it here, right, which is 397 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 5: that like the conservative mythos about Epstein is that it's 398 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 5: like four year olds, right, and it's like, no, Epstein 399 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 5: was doing the shit that Donald Trump talks about doing, right, 400 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: But because it's like attached to Epstein, right, Like Trump 401 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 5: doesn't want to admit that he's been doing this, even 402 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 5: though he's been admitting that he's been doing this for 403 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 5: decades and decades and decades. It's harder for the conservatives 404 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 5: to deal with this because like all of these people 405 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 5: think the child marriage should be legal, and that creeping 406 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 5: on like fifteen year olds isn't pedophilia. 407 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: It's not hot for them to deal with this because 408 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: they don't have a fucking problem with it. 409 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: Like Matt Walsh's talking about how like seventeen year olds 410 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: are the most fertile. So yeah, this is very common 411 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: among certain aspects of like this like evangelical again. 412 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: And it's a major thing on the right to fight 413 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: for it to be legal to marry fourteen year old girls, 414 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, as long as their parents say yes. 415 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 5: And you can look at this from a conspiracy productive 416 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 5: and be like, okay, like is there a ruling cabal 417 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: of pedophiles I control the United States? And it's like, well, yeah, 418 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 5: it's the Baptists and like the systematic cover up of 419 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 5: this shit by the Catholic Church, right, it's Epstein. Yeah. 420 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 5: But it's also like Trump admitting that he's like again 421 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 5: perving on like doing pedophile shit, like walking in on 422 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 5: these changing rooms of these fucking girls. He's just like 423 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 5: admitting this on TV, right. 424 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: And I think like the current thing that Trump's trying 425 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 3: to do is make this Epstein thing another one of 426 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: the many lines of attack against him throughout the years, 427 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: and He's done a really good job at deflecting some 428 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: things that have some actual, like serious data on had 429 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: some serious investigations and like there was aspects of like 430 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 3: Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. It may not 431 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 3: have changed the outcome of the election in a substantial manner, 432 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: but this is something that the FBI like legitimately investigated 433 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: and had like real findings of, and he was able 434 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: to just completely like rewrite what that investigation was into 435 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: this like completely like astroturfed and like orchestrated huax. And 436 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: now it's like one of the main things that he 437 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 3: talks about. And whenever there's new things that people bring 438 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: up about why Trump is bad, he just compares it 439 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: to the Russia hoax. Everything's just just like the Russia hoax. 440 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: This is just another Democrat hoax against me. And this 441 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 3: has been such an effective way for him to diffuse 442 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: so many lines of attack against him. It's by just 443 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: repeating long enough and often enough that it's just a 444 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: baseless hoax. And he can do this anytime, and he'll 445 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: replace like, oh, you know, this is a hoax. But 446 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: you know when Hunter Biden does stuff, that's the real 447 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: thing that the Democrats then try to cover up. 448 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: Laptop. 449 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: They talk about Hunter's laptop so many times something that 450 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: does not matter. But like this is the trend that 451 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: he's been able to do, and eventually journalists and media 452 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: get tired of having to repeat the same thing over 453 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: and over again, explaining that these things are not baseless 454 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: hoaxes but are legitimate investigations, legitimate concerns, and people just 455 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: get tired of it. And he's able to like warp 456 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: reality around things that he says. And this is the 457 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: thing he's currently trying to do with Epstein. This is 458 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: why he's calling it the Epstein hoax, using the same 459 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: rhetoric that he used around all of the Russia stuff 460 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 3: around the twenty twenty election, around Hunter Biden's laptop, and 461 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: it's gonna tire people out, and you I can already 462 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: kind of feel some of this like iteration of it 463 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 3: losing some steam, And like I thought the Wall Street 464 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: journal piece would like invigorate people's discussion of like Trump's, 465 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: you know, alleged pedophilia, and I think it's I don't know, 466 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: at least in like observing the online ecosystem, immediate ecosystem 467 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: the last few days, I don't know if Trump's strategy 468 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: is working, but it is growing stagnant and that's just 469 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: kind of the pace of the Internet sometimes. But if 470 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: he's able to keep doing what he's currently doing, I'm 471 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: not sure if this stuff's going to really matter in 472 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: two months beyond, you know, whatever comes out in discovery 473 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: for the like Murdoch lawsuit, we should maybe explain who 474 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: Murdoch is. 475 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: Just it's doing murder. 476 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch is he's a leftist revolutionary. 477 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to say, member of the Communist Party. No, 478 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: Murdoch is an Australian tabloid magnate who owns the tabloid 479 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: press more or less at some point in time. He 480 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: has probably owned most of the tabloid press in the 481 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: English language almost all around the world. 482 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: Right. 483 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: He owns The Sun in the UK, also The Times 484 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: in Australia. He owns The Daily Sun and Deli Telegraph. 485 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: In the US, he owns in Wall Street Journal and 486 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: the New York Post. He also owns Sky News, which 487 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: broadcast like in the UK, he owns Fox News. He 488 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: used to own people in the UK, remember the News 489 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: of the world. He owns a massive amount of the 490 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: tabloid and I guess the broadsheet press now. But he 491 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: has historically been very right wing right. It's fair to 492 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: say that murdock outlets have boosted tranormously in his assent 493 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: to office. However, now it appears they have fallen out, 494 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: and that is significant. I think it is significant that 495 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: this guy who has played a huge role in Trump's like, 496 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: we don't have the sort of liberal Walter Cronkite anymore, right, 497 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: like the person who can change their mind on something 498 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: and take the nation with them in the way that 499 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: the Kronkite had a role in doing at least in 500 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: the Vietnam War. The boomer and gen x conservative people 501 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: still have that in Fox News right like Fox News 502 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: can because it's like the constant background noise in people's 503 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: lives in so much of this country. It can take 504 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: people with it. And the fact that Trump has gone 505 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: after Murdoch, I think that is potentially they're falling out. 506 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: Continues that it's potentially the most damaging part of this 507 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: for him. 508 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 5: I want to read a quote. I think I've talked 509 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 5: about this on the show before, but Murdoch's role in 510 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 5: doing the sort of reality shaping stuff for Trump until 511 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 5: now and Garrison we were talking about about how Trump 512 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 5: is able to sort of create his own reality. I 513 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 5: want to read this quote from the Bush administration that's 514 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 5: very famous, which is like the reality based canuit quote, 515 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 5: because the neo cons were trying to do the same thing. Right. 516 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 5: There's a very famous quote from the Bush administration which 517 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 5: is attributed to a journalist named Ron Suttzkind, and he's 518 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 5: doing an interview with like a Bush Administration aid, and 519 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 5: I'm just going to quote fromit. The aid said that 520 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 5: guys like me were a quote in what we call 521 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 5: the reality based community, which he defined as people who 522 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: quote believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of 523 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore, 524 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 5: he continued. We're an empire now, and when we act, 525 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 5: we create our own reality. And while you're studying reality judiciously, 526 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 5: as you will, will act again, creating other new realities 527 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 5: which you can study too, and that's how things will 528 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 5: sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you 529 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: will just be left to study what we do. And 530 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 5: that's you know a lot of a trump ism is too, right, 531 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 5: which is that like, yeah, I know all of you 532 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 5: people are trying to like describe reality. I'm just simply 533 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 5: going to change it by saying shit, right, doing shit. 534 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: And like all he has to do is like diffuse 535 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 3: the possible damage that this Epstein thing can do to 536 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: his base. Like he does not care about the other 537 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: half the country at all. He knows that they hate him, 538 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 3: that does not matter. All he has to do is 539 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: create enough of a doubt in the mind of the 540 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: base that this thing isn't real. There's no proof that 541 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: this Wall Street Journal story is real. This is all 542 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: a hoax. The Epstein files were written by Obama, even 543 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: though the second Epstein investigation was kicked off when he 544 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: was president in twenty nineteen. But all these files were 545 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: written by Mina Garrison. 546 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: I think it's bold of you to say that Trump 547 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: was president in twenty nineteen. That's very much upfit toy. 548 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 3: It's a controversial claim now about who was president in 549 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. 550 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, like who was president in twenty twenty is 551 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: something that the country now disagrees about. 552 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. The thing I want to say about this, though, 553 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 5: right is, the neocons believe they could do this right. 554 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 5: The Newocons believed they had seized the range of empire 555 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 5: and they could forever shape reality to their will, and 556 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 5: they couldn't This quote from two thousand and four, Right, 557 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: the newocons tried to do this and they add a rock, 558 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 5: and they thought they could just fucking will like empire, 559 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 5: like we create reality. I thought they could just turn 560 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: a rock into their own personal playgrounds, and it destroyed them. 561 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 5: Like where are the neocons now? Right? 562 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: Like some of them are obviously the Trump miministration, but 563 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: like this is not a neocons Some of them are 564 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: now in the anti Trump verside of this. 565 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, many of them are in the Lincoln project. 566 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: I think is right. 567 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 5: The neocons are, like they don't they do not rule 568 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 5: the empire anymore. Right, that's Trump. These people they ran 569 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 5: into a piece of reality that they tried to devour 570 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 5: and consume and replace, and it destroyed them. And I 571 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 5: don't know if this is that for Trump, but. 572 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that optimistic. 573 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 5: But like the last time that someone tried to do 574 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 5: this using the American state, they eventually hit a thing 575 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 5: they couldn't swallow and it completely annihilated them. And that's 576 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 5: the goal with us, right, Like we have to like 577 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 5: find the thing where enough of the coalition is peeled 578 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 5: off and where it just completely blows up in their 579 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 5: fucking face. And hopefully it's not like the Iraq War 580 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 5: three or something. But this ability to warp reality purely 581 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: by like thought and speech and action of empire like 582 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 5: has its limits, and we've seen them be destroyed before. 583 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it took a lot of people dying into the 584 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: first time, and that's. 585 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 5: What it was horrible, Right, It's not easy to stop 586 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 5: these people. But you know, like, where the fuck is 587 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 5: George Bush right now? 588 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing a painting, Yeah. 589 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, on his foreign painting, but he's not running the 590 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 5: fucking country's far. 591 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: He's like ten miles away from where I still live. 592 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: It down. God, he's at Robin's house. And I don't 593 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: know what else we got to say about our old 594 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: friend Jepstein. 595 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 5: I guess the one last thing that I have to 596 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 5: say is I actually do think that, Like, look, if 597 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 5: the thing that you've decided to do is you want 598 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 5: to wage information warfare, like just continuing to spread this 599 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 5: shit and like seating it in random right wing things 600 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 5: is probably a fun thing to do with your time. 601 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 5: It could work. Who knows it can't hurt? 602 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could, but probably won't. What really 603 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: could hurt right now? Given where we are, this. 604 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: Is like the biggest chink in the maga ama that 605 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: we've seen. Like he's lost more people over this than 606 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: tearing families apart with masked and identified men with guns. 607 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 2: People are fine with that, James unfortunately lost to him 608 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: think it's cool, but some of them don't. 609 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: And that's going to be our interview tomorrow or maybe yesterday. 610 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: The whole country is governed by QAnon logic. Now, this 611 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: is the only thing that truly gets Americans upset anymore. 612 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: As like an entire political block. Yeah, this is it. 613 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: Like QAnon as a cohesive conspiracy doesn't really exist anymore, 614 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: but its logic has perforated every aspect of America, Democrats 615 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: and Republicans included. Now and that's the real people that's 616 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: like survived, survived the past ten years of politics. Is 617 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: like the logic of QAnon. 618 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: It's the only thing that matters. It cannot be killed anymore. 619 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: All right, Well this has been It could happen here 620 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: until next time. 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