1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is unfortunately under 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the weather, but he will be returning very shortly. They 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: called me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you, You 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: want you to know. What a time? What a time, 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists. So much stuff is happening as we 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: hurdle headlong towards three. Big News in Georgia, Big news abroad. 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: There's so much going on, in fact, that a lot 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: of things aren't quite making headlines the way that you 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: would expect. As we record today, the protest in Iran 16 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: are ongoing. Western media has um has fallen for a 17 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: little bit of propaganda. And when I say fall I 18 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: mean phil Phase first, Boklynden Sinker, as the fisher folk 19 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: would say, So what you and I wanted to do 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: for this week's Strange News segment? One of our last 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: of our year is we wanted to give some brief 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: updates conversations at the top that we might not spend, 23 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: uh spend the entirety of time on before we get 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: to our two biggest stories, which are international. One we're 25 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: talking about Germany and then one we're talking about not 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: just China, but white possibly a city near you. Before 27 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: we get into that, man, let's just check in. Um. 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: You know, we're always talking off air. We always run 29 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: into these stories where we think, is this a full episode, 30 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: is this something that we use for our show, or 31 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: is this something that we just feel like our team 32 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: needs to know? And uh, you know, I gotta tell 33 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: you we got some doozies. Yeah, I've got one for you, 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: Ben that you undoubtedly heard about. And then I think 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we we should be discussing today and that is an 36 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: attack that occurred over the last weekend as we record 37 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: this at two North Carolina power substations. Did you hear 38 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: about this? Yes, And I'm really glad you're mentioning this. 39 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I heard about it, but I haven't spoken. Uh. I 40 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: spoke briefly with some folks based in North Carolina pinked 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: about it, but I haven't I don't have the scoop. 42 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Can you give us the um along short because I'm 43 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: really concerned that this one might get missed with all 44 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on in the world today. No, 45 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: you're right, it's it's certainly a local story, but local 46 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: in this context means it directly affected over forty people 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: in More County, or in and around Moore County in 48 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina. That's m O O R E by the way. 49 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: So what had happened was, uh, some individuals who are 50 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: currently unknown at this time, decided to turn the old 51 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: substation into a shooting gallery twice. There were nearly two 52 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: dozen shell casings recovered, most recently from one of the 53 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: substations where a lot of the equipment was disabled. And 54 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: the result of this target practice, you know, on this 55 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: electrical equipment, was that over forty people lost power and 56 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: they didn't lose power for just a little bit of time. 57 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: This is damage to the actual infrastructure, which means I 58 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: think as of today, many people still don't have power 59 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: or they're just now getting power back. I think what's 60 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: going on now, like we're recording this on December seven, 61 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: and what's going on today is that the local authorities 62 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: are hoping to get power back on uh tonight at 63 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: some point this evening, but still people are without power 64 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: as we record. Yeah, I'm seeing over nine thousand customers 65 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: still without power as of midday today, Wednesday, December seven. 66 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: So it's just nuts to think about that that you 67 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: could theoretically attack a substation and knock power out for 68 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: a large group of people, are of for for a 69 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: large area, right, and that would be both residences and businesses. Yeah. 70 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: The the idea is so when this occurred, this happened 71 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: just this weekend, right, and Uh, like you said, forty 72 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: two thousand people thousand, I think nearly fifty people without power. Uh, 73 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: this was something that no one saw it coming. You 74 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: know what it reminds me of. It reminds me of 75 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: a story from earlier about attempts to funds with water supplies, 76 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: Like no one pays its attention to infrastructure until it breaks, 77 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we talked at length 78 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: about this. I'm just wondering, um, because it sounds like, 79 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: and you know more about this than I do. It 80 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: sounds as though there's still a lot of unanswered questions 81 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: about this. Is that correct? Like they don't know the 82 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: perpetrators anything like that. Have they found them as of 83 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: right now, they've recovered casings and and that's really it. 84 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's at least to my knowledge from reporting 85 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: out of CNN and several other outlets. It's just unknown 86 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: who this was and why they did it, what the 87 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: intention was, um. And that could range everywhere from you know, 88 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: general stupidity, let's say, in firing at that particular type 89 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: of installation, too malicious that they it's been titled quote 90 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: malicious and intentional, um, they call it an attack. This 91 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: feels like it could be characterized if you wanted to 92 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: spin it this way as a terrorist attack of some sort, right, 93 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: meant to terrorize a group of civilians. It could be 94 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: painted that way. It would be a matter of just 95 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: talking about it or characterizing it, right, I mean, it 96 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: would be spin to call it that. But it's not out. 97 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: It's not outside of the possibilities here, right. And also 98 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: the idea depends on definition of intention. If they found 99 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: the people responsible, it is being reported as a sabotage 100 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: by the way, folks, if the question of terrorism goes 101 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: into the intent of the perpetrators. So if it's someone 102 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: who says I was fired from say uh, duke energy 103 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: and I have a bone to pick to show them 104 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: how much they need me. Then that is not the 105 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: same thing as says someone coming out and saying I 106 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: am um the I am part of a secessionist movement 107 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: that believes North Carolina should be an independent state or 108 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: an independent country. We would say in the US, uh, 109 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: that would be an active terrorism. But as we'll see, 110 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: power grids are known vulnerabilities and there are even more. 111 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Oh uh, this is gonna make sense as we as 112 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 1: we continue with today's show. But I I don't know, Matt. 113 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: This is to me, this is pretty distressing because we 114 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: know that where the attack occurred. ABC is reporting this 115 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: as well CNN. The More County chief sheriff deputy who 116 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: was speaking with the press did say there were multiple 117 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: shell casings recovered, but did not say what type of 118 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: firearm was used in the attack, nor the caliber of 119 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: those casings. And that's information that they likely have at 120 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: this point, which means that they likely have at the 121 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: very least a shortlist of suspects and they're just not 122 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: going to move publicly yet. Right. Yeah, you'd imagine that 123 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: there might be CCTV available right for any vehicle that 124 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: brought people to that location. Um, maybe, but I don't know. 125 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: It's it's very odd. More County, by the way, is 126 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: in between Greensboro and Fayetteville in North Carolina. Those are 127 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: two of the biggest cities. Or I guess it's almost 128 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Winston Salem in Fayetteville and it's kind of in between 129 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: those two. And one of the major issues here is 130 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: where north where that is where More County in North 131 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: Carolina is. It gets rather cold at night. Uh, it's 132 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: not exactly you know, in the northern states of the US. 133 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: It's in the south still somewhat, but it's not like 134 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: it's warm at night. So if you're looking at the temperature, 135 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: let's say, let's look at the temperatures tonight, it's going 136 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: down to fifty seven in that area, but then on 137 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Sunday it's going down to thirty eight and the following 138 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: Monday thirty two degrees. That's all fahrenheit. So if you 139 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: imagine this attack took out both electricity and m heat 140 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: for homes, it could potentially pose a very dangerous situation 141 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: for humans and animals like pets living in houses that 142 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: were affected by this that are on the grid. Right there. Um, 143 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: so it is just a really dangerous situation. Yeah, and 144 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: the look, there are a lot of problems with energy 145 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: companies in the United States in general, but one thing 146 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: that we can say in support of Duke Energy here 147 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: is that they are busting their humps to get the 148 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: power back on. And if you look at if you 149 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: look at the substation that was attacked, you'll see it. Look, 150 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: it looks ten ten, the same as any number of 151 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: substations in any other part of the country. The main 152 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: defense those outfits have is a chain leak fence and 153 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: probably surveillance cameras. Now, if this person was unprofessional enough, 154 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: dumb enough really to have their phone with them in 155 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: their vehicle, then it's a relatively trivial matter to find them. 156 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: But what I think is a bigger, um, a bigger 157 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: takeaway from this is that those stations that you just pictured, 158 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: they're everywhere and they're not protected, and this is an 159 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: achilles heel of many many societies, very easy to attack. 160 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: So stay safe, folks. I mean, oh gosh, I always 161 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: want to do a couple of updates, Matt, What what 162 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: advice would would you give? What are your those are 163 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: my takeaways? What are your takeaways on this takeaways are 164 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: I think, I think you might have to up security 165 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: in these locations, and that would cost a lot of money, 166 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: which is probably not gonna happen. So hope for the best. Yeah, 167 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: because no one cares about infrastructure. But it's being positive. 168 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: If we're being positive, Hey, think of the jobs for 169 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: your community, you know, and right right now, hopefully it's 170 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of an easy job because right now there's not 171 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: a concerted, coordinated attack on multiple substations, which could change 172 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: very easily. Just so everyone knows, um, before we go 173 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: to before we go to our two big stories today, 174 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to offer one on this end, a positive one, 175 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: a relatively positive one. It's an update from a fellow 176 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, a listener of ours, a Shakespeare's a Shakespearean scholar, 177 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: excuse me named Sarah Sarai or Sarry Nichols, who hit 178 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: us up on Twitter just to let us know, Thank goodness, Matt, 179 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: mission control fellow conspiracy realist San Francisco is no longer 180 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: going to deploy robots armed with explosives. I thought about it. Yeah, 181 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: they thought about it. Maybe they listened to stuff they 182 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Probably not because they're very 183 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: busy people and they were like a bridge too far. 184 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, maybe we should just blow up people the 185 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: old fashioned way with other humans. I really, I really 186 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: hope it was the splash damage argument, because I think 187 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the that's the one you really got 188 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: to pay attention to. Yeah, Doctor Dr Nichols points as 189 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: to this great New York Times article by Eduardo Medina 190 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: McKenna Oxenden that says it was it was primarily a 191 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: matter of backlash from activists, critics, and even more importantly 192 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: local constituents. So remember that your activism, your opinion, your 193 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: voice does matter, even in a world that is riddled 194 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: with corruption. The San Francisco Board of Advisors had originally 195 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: co signed this with an eight to three vote, and 196 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: now that's changed, but the people in power there buy 197 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: a big majority. We're on board with this. So so 198 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: luckily no drones for now or no remote controlled explosive 199 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: wielding robots for now. Uh yeah, I don't know, man. 200 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Uh to take away from that is, I guess remember 201 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: to write to people if you're scared about what they're doing. 202 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: And and just so any for anybody who missed our 203 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: previous strange news segment on this, Matt, could you could 204 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: you tell the folks what splashback is. The concept here 205 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: is that these robots that are generally used to dispose 206 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: of potentially dangerous materials, like you know, a suspicious bag 207 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: is found or something like that. One of these robots 208 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: would go in to dispose of that material, often with 209 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: explosives of its own to blow the thing up and 210 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: whatever mechanism had in it. Uh. They're also used for 211 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: a variety of other reasons. But in this case, they 212 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: would be used to confront a potential suspect who was 213 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it like, actively involved in a crime something like that, 214 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: or is inaccessible to officers, or it would be a 215 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: very dangerous situation to send a human officer in to 216 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: that like location. For whatever reason, this thing would go 217 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: in and potentially explode a bad guy, h a theoretical 218 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: bad guy. Yeah, divine wind on the streets of San Francisco. 219 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: That's a World War two Kamakazi reference. But uh, it 220 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: has not happened at this point. And we're going to 221 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: take that positive energy into our our break for a 222 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and so Matt and Paul and 223 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: I can check outside our houses to make sure no 224 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: robots are being sent our way. Then we'll be back 225 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: and we'll move across the pond. What do you where 226 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: do you want to go first? Germany? You think, I 227 00:15:53,320 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: think we got to go to Germany. We have returned. 228 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: This is an ongoing story. There is not a ton 229 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: of information out yet, but what you are about to 230 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: hear will and should disturb you. The largest operation in 231 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: the modern history of German police occurred just several hours 232 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: ago today, as we record, Germany did a massive raid 233 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: involving more than three thousand security personnel members, law enforcement 234 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: basically and related agencies. They have detained twenty five people. Uh, 235 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: and they're out for even more on suspicion of a 236 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: far right coup. As we record, Germany came very close 237 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: to being overthrown the government of Germany and being replaced 238 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: with a monarchy, because that's always a great idea. Uh. 239 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: This is a far right group. The charges are that 240 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: they were going to abduct multiple members of the current government, 241 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: hold them hostage and warehouses. They were going to use 242 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: an e n P, an electromagnetic pulse device to break 243 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: down the power grid and to act as a beacon 244 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: or a signal to the people of Germany who they 245 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: felt would rise up with them to overthrow the government 246 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: and install a relatively obscure seventies something year old guy 247 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: as as the figurehead as the new monarch of this 248 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: new Germany. That's not good. I think the world maybe 249 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: has some memories of what happens when there's an extremist 250 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: group in charge of Germany. I Ben, I hadn't heard 251 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: of this. This must have been just occurring as I 252 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: was researching other stories for today. I had not heard 253 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: of this. Um good Gali. So this person is okay. 254 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: So this person you're talking about has some kind of 255 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: claim to the throne of Germany. Uh claim to So 256 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: Europe is chock full of people descended from royalty, aristocrats, 257 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: monarchs of old, and when much of Germany transition to 258 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: some kind of democracy or republic, these folks no longer 259 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: had absolute authority, but they still had all the money 260 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: and the property that they had accrued over that time. 261 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: So it's not uncommon to see aristocrats still being the 262 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: wealthiest people in the country, still controlling a lot of stuff, 263 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: and they're they're just uh, they're ordinary citizens in name only, right, 264 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, for pizza Parliament still has a house of lords. 265 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: The qualification for being a house of lords has nothing 266 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: to do with your personal ability or merit. And that's 267 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: that's just true. I know people get mad when they 268 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: hear about it, and there are all these arguments about tradition, 269 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: but let's remember tradition is best to find as peer 270 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: pressure from the dead. Right. So the so this guy 271 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: you already this guy is he's not. His name is Heinrich, 272 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: Roman numerals X and three eyes, Heinrich thirteen. He comes 273 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: from a family. This is this is all true? Uh, 274 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: from the house of Russ R e U s s. 275 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: We're not native German speakers here, folks. Historically they ruled 276 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: over some parts of eastern Germany. And the funny thing 277 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: is for years and years and years and years, for generations. 278 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: The heinrichs Uh, there were multiple Hinrichs. They were given 279 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: that number. Well the yeah, they were given the name Heinrich, 280 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, the first Heinrich, the second, on and on 281 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: and on and on and then the idea is if 282 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: they get to a hundred I read this and it's 283 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: a tabloid. If they get to a hundred, then they 284 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: just start the count again. So this um this group 285 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: had made concrete preparations to storm Parliament with a small 286 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: armed group, and they had plans to form an entirely 287 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: new government to replace the German Boonstag. Uh This, this 288 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: gets dirty so quickly because one of the people arrested 289 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: is a Russian citizen, which naturally leads to accusations that 290 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Russia was attempting to destabilize Germany to you know, help 291 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: with their activities, their long term plan to destabilize NATO 292 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: and Europe and then their im media plan to somehow 293 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: statue of victory from the jaws of defeat in Ukraine. 294 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: Uh So, it's quite possible if Germany was one of 295 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: the prime movers here. It's quite possible that they didn't 296 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: really care if the coup worked. They just wanted the chaos. 297 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you looked into this Heinrich guy 298 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh there's another guy, Heinrich fourteen, Not 299 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Heinrich thirteen, Heinrich fourteen. Different people. He talked about this guy, 300 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: and he says, Heinrich thirteen is quote a confused old 301 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: man who now gets caught up in conspiracy theory, misconceptions, 302 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: and apparently the rest of the family have been distancing 303 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: themselves from this guy for more than a decade. But 304 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: these things, again, they don't occur a vacuum. And for 305 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: years people have been talking about this. I looked into it. 306 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: There's there's excellent reporting about this. I almost I I 307 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: feel like it could be an episode if our fellow 308 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists are interested. Uh. This stuff dates back, um, 309 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: like the active planning kind of dates back to It's 310 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: been in the works for a while. Because you will 311 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: remember Germany's in the grips, Like one of their hottest 312 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: debates was immigration policy, right, and no, no one outside 313 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: of an intelligence agencies or geopolitical walks, we're really thinking 314 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: about the present situation in Eastern Europe, right thinking what 315 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: are what are all you know, rabble rabble rabble? These 316 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: immigrants are taken our jobs, etcetera. Uh. And there was 317 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: this information war for hearts and minds, getting people who 318 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: were already uh kind of Germany's answer to sovereign citizen 319 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: movements or secessionist governments. They were getting people through the 320 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: immigration argument. And then when people were coming out against 321 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: vaccination for COVID nineteen, then they gathered more force, more 322 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: storm under the rung and like a snowball rolling down 323 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: a hill. They created more and they did something crazy 324 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: interesting and quite efficient. They started um you know how 325 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: you know how religious sex or cults like scientology will 326 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: always try to target tastemakers, influencers, powerful people in the 327 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: world of entertainment, capture and bring them in. Now there 328 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: they send the message out. This is what people in 329 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: extremist secessionist groups do. But they focus on the military, 330 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: they focus on law enforcement, they focus on political figures. 331 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: What Germany just did or maybe Russia is pretty impressive 332 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: because they had to operate in secrecy. They didn't know 333 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: who had been compromised by this movement, and it's it's 334 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: nuts because they did all the stuff that you would 335 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: expect for a successful coup, you know. And there are 336 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: a couple ingredients, right, you want to have a plan 337 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: to replace the government, right when we when we take over, 338 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: this guy is going to be the minister of apples 339 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and this guy will be in 340 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: charge of blah blah blah, and this person will be 341 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: the figurehead. And often when these things occur, that first 342 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: person who is the new leader is usually a figurehead. 343 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Just to be honest, until the right right, right, the 344 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: party's over. We got you a villa or we got 345 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: you a bullet. Choose one super great place to get married. 346 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: And so they're still looking for people. They they conducted 347 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: searches at a hundred and thirty different places through the 348 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: majority of Germany states. They were searching in eleven different 349 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: states Germany as sixteen states, right, so that's like the 350 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: majority of the US being searched for coup attempt. They 351 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: called it an anti terrorism operation. The suspects are linked 352 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: to kind of a gumbo of far right, uh secessionist movements. There. 353 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: There are movements like the Reich Citizens Movement who said 354 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: that Germany's post war constitution was not legally binding and 355 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: therefore the government of Germany post World War two has 356 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: never been legitimate. Uh yeah, okay, Well it also goes 357 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: into stuff like we've heard in the Sovereign Citizens movements 358 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: or related movements here in the United States. People will say, well, 359 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: why is there an admiralty flag in the court, right, 360 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: or you know it was my social Security number, really 361 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: my employee number and separate from me. Yeah, what's the 362 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: difference between Matt in in mostly not caps versus matt 363 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: in all caps. This is there also a deep state 364 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: component to this, like almost Q and on level kind 365 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: of thing, not not the same obviously it's not equivalent, 366 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: but the the concept that there is a deep state 367 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: functioning at the forefront of everything making the decisions. Yes, yeah, 368 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: there's you nailed it. There's a lot of Q and 369 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: on related ideology. Uh, there is uh this prevalent belief 370 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: that you know, the Angela, Merkels and so out of 371 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: the world are simply puppets of the real power. And 372 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the Germany Germans privacy rules, Europe's privacy rules in general 373 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: are much tighter than those in the US. So we 374 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of official confirmation about some of 375 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: these people. We know that another twenty seven or under 376 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: investigation right now. It's probably more. And the idea of 377 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: overthrowing government is something that's so hot right now, you know, 378 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: in recent years, right it's it's it's the new TikTok 379 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: of political opinions. But but one of my questions is 380 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: how close do you think these guys could have gotten 381 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: Because if there's a public announcement they did the raid, 382 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: then to me, that means they were operating the law, 383 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: was operating silently for what do you think at least 384 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: I'd say at least fifteen months at minimum. Right, Well, uh, 385 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: whenever you just you, any you out there spends a 386 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: lot of time and effort on any one thing, you 387 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: can accomplish a whole bunch. If you give someone fifteen 388 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: months to plan and strategize an attack of some sort, 389 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: especially considering they were contemplating using an e MP, which 390 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how they were going to actually pull 391 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: that off. I don't know if they expected that to 392 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: be a real part of the plan. But then you 393 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: also bring in security professionals, or at least it's been 394 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: alleged that there are several people within you know, security 395 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: forces at various levels of the German government who may 396 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: have been a part of this thing. Like, if you've 397 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: got those people who are already infiltrated, I guess, for 398 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, or uh, enmeshed with in 399 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, the locations and the power structures that you're 400 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: attempting to attack, you could you might have a chance 401 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: of pulling some stuff off. And this has just been 402 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: another existential horror episode, Ben, Well, well not an episode, yeah, 403 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: but I mean we might have to we might have 404 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: to have one. It's always existential horror to show, you 405 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's true, there's there's more news 406 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: coming out. There's a lot we're actually not getting to. 407 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Might need to save for an episode. We also might 408 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: need to um come back to this more answers are clear, 409 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: but these folks were heavily armed. Uh. There are currently 410 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: people arguing now about how close they actually got right 411 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: and the bigger thing, the thing I want to leave 412 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: us with before we go to the break, is that 413 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: similar things have been in the works in Austria at 414 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: least right in in multiple countries, and we know this 415 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: can be a real threat. Consider the activities of propaganda 416 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: do in Italy. Right, history is closer to the president 417 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: that we think, and I mean we would like to 418 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: hear from people in Germany. Right, how are you seeing 419 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: this news reported? Do you think these were a bunch 420 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: of uh just deluded cause players who let their their 421 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: fantasies go too far. Do you think they would have 422 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: actually had the means to attempt to this? And if 423 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: you do, do you think there's a world in which 424 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: they would have been successful? We cannot wait to hear. Uh. 425 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: We wish everybody in Germany safety. We hope this doesn't 426 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: ruin Christmas for you, uh ruin the end of your holidays. 427 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Will pause for word from our sponsors. And then while 428 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: we are traversing the world, uh, we're going to move 429 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: from Germany to the internet shoal sphere and we've returned 430 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: just quickly. Been speaking of armed security. I promise this 431 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: is only two minutes worth of stuff. Uh. Did you 432 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: hear about the gas station owner in Philadelphia and taking 433 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: action into his own hands? I have not, okay, really quick, 434 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: just because it has to do with armed security, UM 435 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: and law enforcement. So there have been a string of 436 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: thefts in North Philadelphia in this one particular area. Well, 437 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: I'll give you two streets because they're mentioned by Fox 438 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: News here from uh this has been reported a bunch 439 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: of other places to UM Broad and clear Field C 440 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: L E A R F I E L d Uh. 441 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: There is a Carco gas station. It's run by this 442 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: guy named Neil, and Neil has been fed up with 443 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: all the crime that's happening in and around his gas station. 444 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: There's just been a ton of it. He's had enough. 445 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: So what he ended up doing is hiring private security. 446 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: But not just like a mall security guard or you know, 447 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: at off duty police officer. He hired private security. That 448 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty serious. We're talking yeah, guards with full kevlar 449 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: with long guns, you know, either rifles or shotguns, and 450 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: they just hanging out in the store and just eye 451 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: you down, watch all activity in and around the store, 452 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: and protect everybody. And according to Neil Patel, the owner, uh, 453 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: crime has really gone down. They've had no incidence since 454 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: they've had you know, military level armed guards at the 455 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: gas station either, I imagine, And it just kind of 456 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: paints a little bit of a picture of the potential future. 457 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: Uh but instead of you know, just gas stations, I'm 458 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: imagining your local Walmart or Macy's or whatever. Or I've 459 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: seen it, man. You know this like when I was 460 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: not doing podcasting stuff and always in different different parts 461 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: of the world. You know, it's it's not uncommon, especially 462 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: a place that's had a civil war conclude recently. Like 463 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see people with full on semi autos 464 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:27,239 Speaker 1: just posted outside a Western fast food franchise like McDonald's. Right. Yeah. 465 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't become a part of regular everyday 466 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: life here in the good old US, But it feels 467 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: like it might be headed in that direction. Well, maybe 468 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: maybe you can report them to the police, and maybe 469 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be the US police. Oh yeah, 470 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: maybe there's another local station that is not a police station, 471 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: but it is a police station but it's not you 472 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: can ask it for service, Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you 473 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: have Can I get some electronic service for my driver's 474 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: license and or the people called and crime? All right, 475 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: let's jump into this next story. Um, I'm just gonna 476 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: give you the title. This comes from the Guardian. This 477 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: story does go back to It goes back a while 478 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: years in fact, but the reporting out of the Guardian 479 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: comes from November. Here's the headline. FBI director quote, very 480 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: concerned by reports of secret Chinese police stations in United States. 481 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: How what everybody's ears just pricked up? Because we've had 482 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: some folks writing to us about this too. We have 483 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: We've had several people saying, hey, why aren't you talking 484 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: about this yet? Well, this is complicated. This is very complicated, 485 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: and it gets into diplomatic relations. It gets into stuff 486 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: that requires a ton of explanation and discussion to really 487 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: really break the story for you know, for my understanding 488 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: and for probably your understanding listening. It's just uh, it's 489 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: a lot. Well, let's talk about what was discovered. There 490 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: is this outfit, it's an n GEO non governmental organization 491 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: that is really their mission is to watch China and 492 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: watch some of the human rights issues that have been 493 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: going on in that country. And that's at least what 494 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: they say on their website that you can go to 495 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: right now, Safeguard Defenders dot com. They'll tell you their 496 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: whole story and all of their stuff. Basically, they train 497 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: attorneys to become human rights attorneys or lawyers, human rights lawyers, 498 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: and then UH put that staff on all sorts of 499 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: different issues, and they write reports such as this report 500 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: that the FBI's concerns are based upon. You can read 501 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: it right now. Search for patrol and persuade. Just look 502 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: for that Safeguard Defenders Patrol persuade. So let's just go 503 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: directly to the Guardian article, which is just a US 504 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: to be a copying paste job from Reuters. So thanks Reuters, 505 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: I guess here we go. This report that we're referring 506 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: to here has said that these numerous stations, specifically UH 507 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: stations that were found in New York City, US are 508 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: an extension of Beijing's quote efforts to pressure some Chinese 509 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: nationals or their relatives abroad to return to China to 510 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: face criminal charges. Uh So if that was if that 511 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: was true, this would almost be like an extradition support 512 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: force or something like that. Ben, what do you think 513 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: about that? Well, you know, we're going to get into 514 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: a particular fascination of mine with this one. That Um. 515 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: First off, this is absolutely a full episode. The big 516 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: question is are they doing anything illegal? Like the Confucius 517 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: Institutes are also soft power, they're not illegal. Uh. It 518 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: becomes illegal when a foreign power is pressuring an American 519 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: citizen right or an American resident in the case of 520 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: the US, to engage in espionage right or engage in 521 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: intelligence activities. And from what I understand, that's one of 522 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: the big allegations against these service stations or how do 523 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: you say it, uh, High Wife U Jean or something 524 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: like that. Operation ten ten or Operation one ten um 525 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: is another name. Anyway, these the ideas like if you 526 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 1: are and this is a great point, I'm just gonna 527 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: sell you off for this because you put a beautifully 528 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: off air. Um. If they're doing things that embassies legally do, 529 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: if you're surprised if you're supplying support to people making 530 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: it easier to talk to your relatives, like um, you know, 531 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: helping helping you stay in contact with folks in your 532 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: home country. That's completely illegal. But if they're coming to you, 533 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, your your bubbala, your grandmother is 534 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: going to have a real hard time if you don't 535 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: take that job at Lockheed, then that's when it gets 536 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: into a very different part of the chessboard. And I 537 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: think that's one of the allegations. I think it's even 538 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: it's the the idea is that one would be forced 539 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: or coerced into doing illegal activities or I mean, that's 540 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: one of the allegations. I just wish it was mentioned more. 541 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: But like Matt, that's what I take. But you said, 542 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: you said, how is this not like an embassy? Right? 543 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was my point. Yeah, I because it 544 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: does in a way feel like an embassy operating. Let's 545 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: say that the example that the FBI was specifically referencing 546 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: the UH one of these stations that's in New York City. So, 547 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: according to China, who has been pushing back very hard 548 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: against the rhetoric coming out of the U U and 549 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: Western sources when reporting on this, they are saying that 550 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: these service centers are for an entirely different purpose than 551 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, possibly coercing Chinese nationals to return back to China, 552 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: or blackmailing in any way, or you know, doing any 553 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: kind of illegal activity to influence anyone. They are saying 554 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: that these quote volunteer run sites in the US are real. 555 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: They're there, but they are not quote police stations or 556 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: quote police service centers quote. They assist overseas Chinese nationals 557 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: who need help in assessing the online service platform to 558 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: get their driving licenses renewed and received physical checkups for 559 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: that purpose. That is a quote from an embassy spokesperson, 560 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: Lou pengu Okay, so if that is true, then there's 561 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: absolutely no problem with that because that's helping people with 562 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: the often byzantine bureaucracy right of exist, steen of like 563 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: having connections to multiple countries. You know, how do how 564 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: do you make sure that you have your residency status 565 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: set up, especially if maybe you're not fluent in English, 566 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: right then you could conceivably the argument is go to 567 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: a place like this and receive that assistance paid for 568 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: by the Chinese government, right that's like a cool thing. 569 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: That's something that UM other embassies and other countries also 570 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: do or try to do. You have to be careful 571 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: about it, but like that's that's not illegal. But well, yeah, 572 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: if that's all they're doing, then what the embassy is 573 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: actually saying, that's all they're doing. They're just tech support. 574 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: They're on the ground tech support for Chinese nationals living 575 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: in the US and you know, the Netherlands and all 576 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: the other countries that these uh I don't know, these 577 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: shops are set up in whatever you want to call them, 578 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: these UM support centers. UM, why are they secret? Why? 579 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: Why did the FBI just find out about them? Why 580 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: why did other countries kind of just find out about 581 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: them existing within their borders. If you go to Newsweek, 582 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: then I posted a uh an article from Newsweek that 583 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: was posted not that long ago, and if you scroll 584 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: all the way down on it, let me see if 585 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: you actually find it, it's titled full list of China's 586 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: unofficial police stations around the world. Again, they don't like 587 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: them being called police stations. That's what everybody else calls them. UM. 588 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: But you can find that whole list, and it's a 589 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: lot from Angola to Bangladesh, to Brazil, to Canada, Cuba, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mongolia, Sudan, Panama, Peru, Romania, Slovakia, 590 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: South Africa, Sweden, Tan, United Arab Emirates, Ukraine, the uk, US, Vietnam, Zambia. 591 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: Good lord, And I didn't even mention all of them. Yeah, me, 592 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: andr got Mongolia. Mongolia makes sense. Mongolia is kind of 593 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: a vassal state for China. But it's just it's nuts 594 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: to know that there are so many of them. Um. 595 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: But again, the the embassy spokesperson says, it's ridiculous to 596 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: be talking about these things in this way, and it's 597 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: irresponsible and you're just scary people for no reason. But 598 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: why didn't you say that if you were doing something 599 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: secretive in all these countries. And she also makes the 600 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: point that the human beings working in all of these places, 601 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: She says, at least are not police personnel from China. Okay, fine, 602 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,439 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's fine. You can put any job 603 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: title on a paycheck. You really can't. I mean, it was, 604 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: oh gosh, it was a while ago. Down Like Matt, 605 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 1: you remember how when when we were working on years ago, 606 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: we're running the video department, our old alma matter how 607 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: stuff works. Uh. We got the chance to like make 608 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: our own job titles. Uh, an opportunity that was quickly 609 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: rescinded when when they saw our suggestions. But I just 610 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: don't think that video commander for a few minutes. I 611 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: think I went with the experience. But shout outs are old. 612 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: Boss Rock said, um, but but what I'm saying is 613 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 1: I find that somewhat of a misleading argument. It's technically 614 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: true while not addressing the concerns that are being raised. 615 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: For instance, like, let's consider let's consider first person stories 616 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: or allegations like Wong Jingu who was a Chinese dissident, 617 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: what he fled China after doing after after making some 618 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: social media post and the PRC is very very sensitive 619 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: about that. That's the reason why you got to be 620 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: careful about getting in pictures with Winnie the Pooh, are 621 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: posting Winnie the Pooh jokes in China. This is a 622 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: true story, folks. Uh, so this guy, this dissident gets 623 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: asylum in the Netherlands. Way I heard the story and 624 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: then he said, like Matt, as you noted, there are 625 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: multiple service stations in the Netherlands He said that he 626 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: was getting harassed by a station in Rotterdam and that 627 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: they were threatening him and they said, you know, you 628 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: need to come back to China, come back home because 629 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 1: we know where your parents live. It's an episode. There's 630 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: so much more to this, you know, there really is. 631 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: Um oh man. Yeah, we don't have time to get 632 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: into it right now. Um, but we want to hear 633 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: from you if you've had any kind of interaction with this, 634 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: if you know anything about it. Do you work at 635 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: Safeguard Defenders? Can you give us more information on what's 636 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: going on. We'd love to hear from you. Um. Are 637 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: you in a Chinese embassy and you have an official statement, 638 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear it. Uh, just why not? Why not? 639 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear we We just want to understand it. Um. 640 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: If it really is completely innocuous, awesome, but you've got 641 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: to you'd have to prove it. I think. Yeah. We 642 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: we want to be fair and we want to hear 643 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: from people who have had personal experience. So that we 644 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: were able to find some anonymous statements by members of 645 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 1: the party running China that were a little bit less 646 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: public relations spinny centric but still but still it seems 647 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: that there are multiple countries, multiple people in those countries 648 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: alleging that something rotten's going on. You know, these things 649 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: really are in a way undermining national sovereignty in the 650 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: various countries where they exist, if they are in fact 651 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: completely secret from the government, right. Um, if it's a 652 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: national institution of any sort and it exists in another country, 653 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: you gotta let somebody know. Yeah, you kind of have to. 654 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: Those are the rules of the game. That's like, what 655 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: do you call that, ben, that's the world order, that's 656 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: the post World War two World order kind of rules 657 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 1: of engagement that everybody just plays in. Um. And it's 658 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: not necessarily any kind of you know, it's not a 659 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: treaty really or anything that's binding people from playing by 660 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: the rules. It's just well known that if you don't 661 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,879 Speaker 1: play by the rules, Uh, you're gonna have eyes on you, right, 662 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: and maybe more than eyes, uh, at least five other 663 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: than that. No comments, but but but yes, yeah, this 664 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: this quickly becomes a bag of badgers, a messy all, 665 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: a dangerous spaghetti. So we want to hear from you. Uh, 666 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: we can't wait. Thank you to everybody who takes the 667 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: time to drop us these stories. 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