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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined with our guest super

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Speaker 3: producer Max, the Interstellar Freight Trade Williams. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Fellas, look up there

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Speaker 3: in the sky.

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Speaker 4: Is it an interstellar freight train?

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Speaker 3: Is it a terrified is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it a dirigible? Is it? Oh? Muamua?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's really bright and it's hurting

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Speaker 2: my eyes.

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Speaker 3: I know when it's turning colors.

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Speaker 4: Don't look directly into the light.

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Speaker 3: Okay, put on your special sunglasses. Guys. We're asking a

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Speaker 3: question that a lot of people have been asking more

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Speaker 3: and more often in recent years. The longtime friends, neighbors,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists. There's been this ever present hope of disclosure.

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Speaker 3: There've been breakthroughs in technology shout out James Webb. There

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Speaker 3: have been aviation experts coming forward, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: fair for us to say that humanity is investigating the

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Speaker 3: heavens and the ink anew would we agree with that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if you're paying attention in astrophysics world,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just over the past two years that

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Speaker 2: we've really been turned on too. I mean we've always

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Speaker 2: new things that new technology is discovering deeper and further away,

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Speaker 2: a more massive, more exciting, more interesting super novas that

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Speaker 2: we're getting to actually observe, black holes that we're getting

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Speaker 2: to observe. There's so much happening right now out there

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Speaker 2: that we can see for the first time now.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean maybe I have a mistaken impression.

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Speaker 4: But hasn't there been a bit of a rollback of

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Speaker 4: like federal funding for space.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you know exploration. We are in one country,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the astrophysics happens all over the planet

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Speaker 2: with you know, in countries that prize this kind of

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Speaker 3: Right. Okay, It's always been a group activity, right, just

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Speaker 3: like a quilting circle. That's the story of modern astronomy.

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Speaker 4: At one point it was a race.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, still it continues. It's a great game. Shout

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Speaker 3: out to X thirty seven B. Also shout out H two.

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Speaker 4: Is that Elon Munk's kid?

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Speaker 3: No, that's nice though, I like that Joe.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the company's private companies right now trying

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Speaker 2: to make weapons for space.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think they're trying. I think they're going

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Speaker 3: to do it, and shout out to because we are

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Speaker 3: all adult entities. Shout out to Youratus conspiracy realist. You

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Speaker 3: can see it on November twenty first. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be the closest time it comes to Earth recently.

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Speaker 4: Soon they'll be shooting space lasers at rus.

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Speaker 2: Are you were talking about urinus?

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Speaker 3: Guys, I'm going to pronounce it the way that works

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Speaker 3: for the joke, and Matt is correct. It's uranus, which

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Speaker 4: Collectively.

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Speaker 3: You've heard us talk about this and strange news and

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Speaker 3: listener mail. You've heard us put some asides in on episodes.

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Speaker 3: There is a mysterious interstellar object known as slash five

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Speaker 3: some people believe it is a fascinating interstellar comet. Others,

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Speaker 3: So what is an interstellar object?

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Speaker 2: Something that comes from outside of this solar system?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's anything that travels through space without being

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Speaker 4: So it could be, you know, anything varying in size

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Speaker 2: Yes. And the most interesting thing about it to me

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Speaker 3: Well, put the weather and the wents right, and also

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Speaker 3: So what is the size of the universe observed by humans?

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Speaker 4: See that while the observable universe, says Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Speaker 4: ninety two billion light years in diameter that we can

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Speaker 4: universe could well be much larger, perhaps even infinite.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And one of those new science things that we've just

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Speaker 4: We talked about that phenomenon with Jorge Chamm, did we

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Speaker 3: In comparison, this little patch of cosmic grass that you

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Speaker 2: Oh yes. One other thing that we recently learned is

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Speaker 3: It's a Goldilock zone for sure, is how we put it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it makes again, it just makes you wonder, is

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Speaker 4: Well, before we move on to talking about some of

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Speaker 4: just pose, Matt as an opportunity to recommend the new

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Speaker 4: game Katamari. Once Upon a Katamari, where you get to

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Speaker 4: the known universe in the most Japanese af cartoonish way imaginable.

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Speaker 4: It is an absolute delight. And you know, if you

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Speaker 3: Robert love a Katamari thing, you know, just cook your

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Speaker 3: pizza rules, which are pal Chuck from stuff you should

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Speaker 3: He says they're trash food, not allowed in his.

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Speaker 4: Means, Yeah, they're trash food. But that's sort of.

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Speaker 3: Right for good Katamari session. Anyhow, We love Chuck, we

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Speaker 3: human civilization has only three confirmed, proven instances of interstellar

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Speaker 3: known on the streets as one eye o muamah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun to say it is. This thing is sick.

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Speaker 2: Listener Mail episodes. This thing, the shape of it, it's

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Speaker 4: So what does omuamua mean, Well, it means it translates

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Speaker 4: to scout or messenger, and you guessed did Hawaiian. It

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Speaker 3: not an especially chonky boy. Current estimates have it at

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Speaker 3: It's an awesome thought. Let's also point out that scientists

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Speaker 3: When a second dude rolls through town, let's call them

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Speaker 2: It's a really good point to bring up in there,

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Speaker 3: We know the yo yo motion of them, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, but this dude off just barreled on through.

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Speaker 3: Just it came and went wither and wentce right tough

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Speaker 2: And then as it, you know, hits our Solar system again,

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Speaker 4: Abvi Lobe was born in nineteen sixty two. He is

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Speaker 3: So Professor Loewell will argue that things like a Mua

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Speaker 2: he's changed that or not. Yeah.

437
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: His most controversial claim, and we've linked to here in

438
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: the notes, is that you can go to his blog

439
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: by the way, which we recommend checking out if you're interested.

440
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: His most controversial claim is that three I Atlas has

441
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: a quote one and one hundred million chants of being

442
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: natural based on those discrepancies and available data, which is.

443
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: It's well for me, let's put it this way. Everybody

444
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: else in his field disagrees with him.

445
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scientific community largely rejects a lot of his suppositions.

446
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: Professor loebe hit our radar back in twenty twenty three.

447
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: Would he claimed to have recovered that stuff from a

448
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: meteor called CNEOS twenty fourteen DASHO one d SHO eight,

449
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: which crashed to Earth in twenty fourteen, which is why

450
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: they named it. That this opened this vast floodgate of

451
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: speculation and interest, not only in academia but in the

452
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: public zeitgeist. Of course, humanity wants to know if other

453
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: intelligent life can be proven to exist. I mean, you know,

454
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: it's Fermi's paradox all over again, but even better, humanity

455
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: wants to know if this other life can somehow be encountered.

456
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: So civilization is primed for news about this. And I

457
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: love your point there, Matt. There are a lot of

458
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: skeptics out there too. We reached out to contacts in

459
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: the field and they were deeply, sharply divided. Some applauded

460
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: his research but were careful to say it's a series

461
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: of thought experiments, and others stridently dismissed it a sensationalism

462
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: and they were saying, this guy is honestly they accused

463
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: him of pulling a grift.

464
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to look far in line

465
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: to see people who you know who try to calm

466
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: down the general excitement that the public has got from

467
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: some of avi Lobe's Medium posts and then some of

468
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: his some of the appearances he's made on things like

469
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan recently and then before that, on a lot

470
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 2: of other places. On every every local news channel has

471
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: had Av lob On to talk about this stuff because

472
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: it is a really cool story and the way Av

473
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: writes about it, you know, on his blog on Medium

474
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: there it.

475
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: Is compassive, very it's exciting.

476
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: I wrote down here, guys, all the times that we've

477
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: been talking about three i AT lists just since that

478
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: that July time, and I think I've got five episodes

479
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: that we've put out where we specifically talk about three

480
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: iatlists and AVI. So I mean, we're doing it. So

481
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: we're just trying to make sure. I guess as you're

482
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: listening to this and thinking about these things and reading

483
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: headlines from things like lad Bible, you know, or Newsweek

484
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: or whatever it comes out, just remember that, as you said, Ben,

485
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: I think that's the most important phrase there is. These

486
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: are a series of thought experiments. That's that's a really

487
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: great way to put it.

488
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: And we're quoting contexts there. We can confirm and this

489
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: is a weird one, we can confirm that factions of

490
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: US intelligence have been actively monitoring the good professor's research

491
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: and activities. This does not prove a conspiracy exist. The

492
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: allegations I won't say we the allegations that I have

493
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: heard are that members of the FBI in particular, are

494
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: keeping tabs on what the guy is publishing and who

495
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: he's being connected with. I do want to give in

496
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: full disclosure the note that we see similar allegations in

497
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: anything UAP related. So we see a lot of I

498
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: spoke with some people who said that they definitely were

499
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: on a monitoring list. I have not spoken with the

500
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: FBI to have that confirmed. So we know that this

501
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: means there's not necessarily some big, grandiose men in black

502
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: situation here. Professor Loeb is able to publish as you will, right,

503
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: and people are able to conduct this research. And I

504
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: feel like it's fair for us to say we ourselves

505
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: are not astrophysicists. We do not have the expertise to

506
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: conclusively weigh in on the legitimacy of the research, but

507
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: we read a lot and I think we can all

508
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: agree it is important to learn more about three i

509
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: AT lists.

510
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: So let's get into what makes three i AT lias different.

511
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: Why is there so much speculation about this thing, and

512
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: is it possible that there are details about this object

513
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: that make it non comment or is it just a comment?

514
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: Right? Current scientific consensus outside of the good Professor and

515
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: other investigators will argue this is at anomalous comment, but

516
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: a comment nonetheless naturally produced by the gears and mechanisms

517
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: of the universe at large. Yet we would argue the

518
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: more you look at it, the weirder our little buddy

519
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Atlass becomes. First off, the age. Okay, so three eye Atlas,

520
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 3: there's hope. We got to get into it first, right,

521
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: Three eye at Lias is super duper old. It's even

522
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: older than saying six to seven in conversation. It's probably

523
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: from the Milky Way's thick disc, which means it could

524
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: be from downtown. What's that NBA jam game? He's on

525
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: fire from da check out? It's okay, so it could

526
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: be over seven billion years old, making it older than

527
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: this solar system and.

528
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: Other estamates put it at eleven billion years old. So

529
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: it's been something that's been changing. Again, it's just as

530
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: we get better and better data.

531
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Matt, do we want to talk a little

532
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: bit about the again? I keep calling it the witherin Wentz.

533
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: Do we want to talk about the Wow signal?

534
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

535
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Wow signal concept with relation to the

536
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: three eye Atlis is something that Auvi Low put out

537
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: into the world. He made a medium post and he

538
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: said something to the effect of that three iye atlas

539
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: arrived to our solar system in a direction quote coincident

540
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: with the radio Wow signal to within nine degrees. You

541
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: can you can check it out if you want to.

542
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: A lot of other astronomers have said things like the

543
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Wow signal within nine degrees is a crazy distance away

544
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: if you think about how far away nine degrees actually is,

545
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: you know, when you expand out into the cosmos as

546
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: it goes as well as a lot of people don't

547
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: even agree that the Wow signal, you know, is actually

548
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: a signal that came from interstellar space and that it

549
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: was maybe an anomaly within a system or you know,

550
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: we've done an episode on the Wow signal. There are

551
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: a lot of questions remaining about.

552
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: That, but it is. It is again fascinating, and I

553
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: really appreciate you for pointing out, Matt that nine degrees

554
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: immediately is very small, but nine degrees over light years

555
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: is pretty big. This brings us to the size of

556
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: our buddy three I atlas. Okay, so a comet has

557
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: a nucleus that that's the little like the little pit

558
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: of the cherry, and the nucleus here is estimated to

559
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: be between point two to three point five miles, which

560
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: feels like a big variance. But again we're dealing with

561
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: pretty large margins of error here, are we not.

562
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the diameter, right, So three and a half

563
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: miles is pretty huge, or you know, zero point two

564
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: miles still pretty big. And ultimately we're talking about the

565
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: solid thing that is at the center, right, the thing

566
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: that gives it the most mass, that causes it to

567
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: accelerate in the way that it does.

568
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like your earlier TUTSI pop example,

569
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: of course.

570
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it is like that.

571
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: How many licks does it take? Well?

572
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: And the concept here is is it too big? Again?

573
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: If you're doing the thought experiment stuff like Aviy Lob

574
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: is doing, is it too big to be a supposed

575
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: spacecraft of some sort? Is it if you can imagine

576
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: it as a mothership? Is it this giant mothership as

577
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: he had speculated about kind of early on, is it

578
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: a mothership that's gonna let out other smaller craft or

579
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: ships as it gets well, yeah, as it gets the

580
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: perihelium close, as it gets to the star or our sun.

581
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: There's so much speculation that goes into that that deals

582
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: with the nucleus nucleus and what it actually is. If

583
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: it's like a comet though, it's like it's just star stuff, right,

584
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of compressed and condensed down into that thing,

585
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: which is usually rock and other minerals and ice.

586
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not a ton of nickel. And that's where

587
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: we get to another thing that's very weird. The third

588
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: issue is this big one fellow conspiracy realist three I.

589
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: Atlas has some very strange chemical composition. This is not

590
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: a controversial claim by our good professor Loweb. This is

591
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: something that everybody agrees on. If you look at the

592
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: chemicals it is emitting, if you look at the composition

593
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: the material science, then as far as we know, our

594
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 3: buddy Atlas is super duper weird.

595
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that chemical plume where it's off gassing, right, the

596
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: stuff that might cause that non gravitational acceleration.

597
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: That stuff a little fart in space, yeah, but.

598
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: By long part, right, it's a long part that you

599
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: should no longer observe after it's out there. But it's

600
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: crazy to think though. You're talking about in space, so

601
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: that gas is still there, just hanging out. You just

602
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: can't observe it with your eyes anymore, or you know,

603
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: we probably never really could, but we can observe it

604
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: with some of the visual telescopes that we have to

605
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: observe this thing, so you're looking at more of chemical signatures.

606
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, what we're telling you, folks is that while

607
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: you might not observe it on your own, you were

608
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: getting crop dusted so hard by comets. They get close

609
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 3: to the Sun and they fart. That's the off gasing. Okay, yes, okay,

610
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: a bit of a bit of a Dutch oven. If

611
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: the atmosphere is the covers, I love it. Atlas has

612
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 3: a pretty high ratio of carbon dioxide to water vapor,

613
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: so as far as we can tell, it's about seven

614
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: point six, which is outside of the realm of expectation

615
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: for your typical solar system comets like your Haley's comet

616
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: or something, and the coma or the comma. It has

617
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: not just water, ice and vapor, it also has carbon monoxide,

618
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: carbonyl sulfi, it has cyanide gas. This is beyond unusual

619
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: for your guard a variety Haley's comet. I don't know

620
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: why it sound like the Ghost of Christmas present on

621
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: that one.

622
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the season. Well it's very weird again for

623
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: comets that originate in this star system, Right, that's weird.

624
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: But maybe it's not so weird for a comment that

625
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: comes from wherever it came from. That's just more naturally

626
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: occurring there.

627
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: Maybe our boys are the weird ones.

628
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's right. But the weird thing is the nickel.

629
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: The nickel is pretty widely accepted as an anomaloust thing.

630
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean it is an anomalous thing. It has to

631
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: do with where that nickel showed up and when it

632
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: showed up, because it started it started outgassing nickel pretty

633
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: early before it got too close to the sun where

634
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: you would imagine that would occur. And it also has

635
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: some anomalous what is it nickel to iron ratios, So

636
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: usually you would see a lot more iron out gassing

637
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: if you're seeing nickel out gassing, but in this case

638
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: it was more nickel than iron, which is weird, but

639
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: not you know, it doesn't. It's not proof of anything.

640
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: It's just weird.

641
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: And most of these things would fall under the category

642
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: of what most scientists on the case would just call anomalists.

643
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, right, a genuine anomaly.

644
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: Yes, which you know, there's a reason that word exists.

645
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's unusual, which makes it interesting, which does

646
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: not necessarily prove a conclusion. So our buddy Darryl Z.

647
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: Siegelman and Rohan Rata Gondkar, they're the ones who determined

648
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: that Atlas is emitting or was emitting, this glowing nickel

649
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: vapor and was emitting it at temperatures that, as far

650
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 3: as humans know, we're too cold for metals to normally vaporize.

651
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: So what gives becomes the question, and then that prompts

652
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: the conversation about the speed and trajectory. This Atlas guy

653
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: is following what we call a hyperbolic path, So it's

654
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: like a rope comet. It's not gravitationally bound to the sun.

655
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: We can't predict when or if it will return, but

656
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: its orbital eccentricity is so high that it's true jectory

657
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: appears almost straight, as though someone fired a bullet from

658
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: a gun, far far away, which I think is fascinating.

659
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: This is also way faster than the vast majority of

660
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: comets that are recognized by civilization are supposed to be.

661
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: This is a ferrari blowing through a school zone, like

662
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: redlining it essentially. I don't know if that happens in

663
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: all parts of the world or the United States, but

664
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: I think in our neck of the woods, anytime you

665
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: get to a school zone, there's that little sign that said,

666
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: what is it twenty five thirty five miles per hour?

667
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: Five twenty five Who I got away with some stuffy

668
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: Our body Atlas is traveling. As far as we could tell,

669
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Speaker 3: as it was getting to brillion, it was traveling at

670
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: forty two miles a second or sixty eight kilometers second.

671
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: For the rest of the world, that is way faster

672
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: than it's supposed to be.

673
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because I don't know enough to know

674
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: how much of a difference ideas than what we we expected.

675
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: But I would just I would imagine through a general

676
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: understanding of how things function, that if it is traveling

677
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: from where it's traveling from, it gained a ton of acceleration,

678
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: and then if it is as massive as it is

679
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: believed to be, and it's interacting with the gravitational pull

680
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: of the Sun and getting that slingshot effect. I mean,

681
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: it's already faster than it should be because it's entering

682
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: faster than it should be right to our solar system.

683
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: Then it gets that pole, and it's also going not

684
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: too close to, but pretty close to other massive planets

685
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: before it hit perihelium there. So I just don't understand

686
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: the math or the science enough to be like, is

687
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: that too weird?

688
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless we sound sensationalistic. As far as we understand

689
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: the what we'll call like a long period comet, a

690
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: thing that takes a while to return, it's typically going

691
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: to be going about thirty to a little over thirty

692
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: two miles per second, so forty two miles per second,

693
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: about ten miles per second faster that it should be,

694
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: but the seconds add up. This is crazy. Well, I

695
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: get a little freaked out the more I think about

696
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 3: this thing.

697
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing, guys, I genuinely don't know

698
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: the average mass of observed comets within our solar system.

699
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what that is. It's like,

700
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: is this thing like extremely larger? But again to our

701
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: best understanding of what we've been able to observe thus far.

702
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I think that mass could have

703
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: a big effect on how fast it's actually moving. Man,

704
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 2: there was another thing about polarization. Did you hear about

705
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: this guys? It's apparently it has a negative polarization on it.

706
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: That is, most commets or a lot of comets have

707
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: negative polarization that have been observed inside the solar system.

708
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: This one is significantly more polarized.

709
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 4: I guess polarization in terms of like magnetic force.

710
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: Yes, asteroids and commets generally have some form of negative

711
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: polarization that we observe. This one is just a lot more.

712
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: It's abnormal. There are a lot of people, again, like

713
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: not just off below, but other people out there saying, hey,

714
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: that's that's a little weird, how negatively polarized this is.

715
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: But again, is it just the thing that occurs in

716
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: the other place where it came from, you know, or

717
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: is it uh? Is it something else?

718
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: Also, let's point this out Atlas was kind of constipated

719
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: comment wise, But what we mean is as our pal

720
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: shot closer and closer to our home start runner, hahaha, whatever,

721
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: it did not behave like a typical comet, the typical

722
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: garden variety solar system comet that humans are familiar with.

723
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: It starts farting or out gassing as it gets closer

724
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: and closer to the Sun, emitting water vapor well in

725
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: advance of the approach. Now, for some reason that has

726
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: yet to be determined, three I Atlas delayed its outgassing.

727
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: It did eventually show this activity, but it did it

728
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 3: much later than everything we know has taught us to expect.

729
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: Its parillion was like two hundred million clicks from the

730
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: Sun AU units. That would be one point four so

731
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: like one point four times the distance between the Sun

732
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: and the Earth. It was on the opposite side of

733
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: the Sun to the Earth, so a little bit more

734
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: difficult to observe. It also colors a bunch of times,

735
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's so much more to get to

736
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: about this guy. Afterword from our sponsors.

737
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: There's reporting out there that makes things seem way more

738
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: wild than they actually are, and that's not obvious fault.

739
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: He's pointing things out, and then people are taking his

740
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, statements, and then making a huge deal about.

741
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: It, just running with it like the radio waves.

742
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, because it did this. This this object did

743
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: get brighter faster than any known comment. So that's interesting, right.

744
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: It just all of a sudden like it's like it

745
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: turned on or something, and it got much much brighter

746
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: than normal. Again, a real anomaly. It was stayed in

747
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: one of the obvious medium posts that they got bluer

748
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: than the sun, which.

749
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: Was just kind of a weird thing, a little poetic.

750
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, But we we talked earlier on our Strange News

751
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: episodes about the anti tale and how that was a

752
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: bunch was made about that, and anti tail means that

753
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: that outgassing is occurring, like pushing materials all that co two.

754
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about those gases, the nickel that's pushing it

755
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: towards the Sun. It acted in a way that seems

756
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: pretty dang weird, but it is still it's a thing

757
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: that we've observed in comets before that occur within the

758
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: Solar system. It just did things a little differently, the

759
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: same stuff, just a little differently.

760
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, specifically in the writing that we're talking about, Professor

761
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: Loeb says, quote, this raises a new anomaly of three

762
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: iat lists that must be explained by those who wish

763
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 3: to shove the anomalies of three iat lists under the

764
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: carpet of traditional knowledge on Solar system comets or rather

765
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: than consider alternatives, and it gets juicier. He also has

766
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: a very nice quote about Albert Einstein, or from Albert Einstein.

767
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: He gets juicier because he says, quote technological thrusters which

768
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: point their exhaust toward the sun ele rate away from

769
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: the Sun. This post perihelian maneuver might be employed by

770
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: a spacecraft that aims to gain speed rather than to

771
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: slow down through the gravitational assist from the Sun. So

772
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: the slingshot like we talked about in our weekly Strange

773
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: News segments.

774
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, a spaceship would be able to accelerate in

775
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,959
Speaker 2: whatever direction it needs to accelerate to accomplish whatever task.

776
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: So as as this thing, whatever it is, this commet

777
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: or other, was entering perihelium, and as it's getting towards

778
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: the Sun, there the thought that AVI was putting out

779
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: was that these jets that we're seeing may be maneuvers

780
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: that it's making, right, and the super exciting thing kind

781
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: of didn't happen. The exciting thing was before it got

782
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: to that point, AVI was talking about how well what

783
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: if it changes its trajectory and his heads closer to

784
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: Earth than is expected as Earth is moving around the

785
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: Sun and this thing continues to move on its path,

786
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: or what.

787
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 3: If it alters its trage in any direction?

788
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, any direction would have been a whole crap,

789
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: something's happening. But if it was coming towards Earth, it

790
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: would have been a well, guys, it was nice knowing you.

791
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: We also, if it's okay with guys, I want us

792
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: to go back to the radio waves thing, because that

793
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 3: was another big wait and see what happens moment. Noel,

794
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: can you tell us a little bit more about what

795
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: was going on with the idea that three Ia Atlas

796
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: was suddenly transmitting radio waves?

797
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. Some astronomers at South Africa's mere Cat

798
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 4: radio telescope saw that radio waves were being emitted from Atlas,

799
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: and at first they were hoping, like many you know

800
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 4: folks in this position, they're doing it out of passion,

801
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: They're doing it out of a sense of you know, belief,

802
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: and you know, Benu, I've heard of them. Is I

803
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: want to believe folks? Is accurate? Calling back to the

804
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: X file.

805
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 2: Well, well, here listen to that statement. They are radio

806
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: signals coming from the comet thing, right, Like if you

807
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: if you hear that or you read that on headline,

808
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: then what does your brain do? Brain deep deepep right,

809
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: your brain imagines what we know of radio signals, right.

810
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. And speaking of X Files, I just

811
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 4: want to take this opportunity to quickly recommend the new

812
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: Vince Gilligan show Pluribus, which deals with radio transmissions from

813
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: far far away and was actually inspired by the Wow signal,

814
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: and so a lot of this kind of stuff you see,

815
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: like I believe it's either at SETI or like a

816
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 4: giant array of radio telescopes. The first scene of the

817
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: show when they're detecting this signal that's been transmitted from

818
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 4: light years and light years away, and that same level

819
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: of passion and excitement and like, oh what could it

820
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: possibly be? Is draumatized incredibly. Well, there's only two episodes

821
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: out now. I think by the time this comes out

822
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: there'll be three. But it is Vince Gilligan back to

823
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: his X Files roots. He was obviously the creator of

824
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: Breaking Bad, but also a staff writer on later seasons

825
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: of The X File. So un fortunately they ultimately these

826
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: folks in South Africa concluded that these signals were the

827
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 4: result of specific types of wavelength absorption related to certain

828
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 4: chemical makeups the hydroxyl radicals or H molecules in the

829
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: comets Comma or Coma. Just kind of like an aura

830
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: if you think, yeah, mm hmm, yep, definitely so according

831
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: to larger and more current scientific and senses, that's all

832
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: explained by simple well not simple for us layman, but

833
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 4: astro physically speaking, simple concepts.

834
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Speaker 3: So they're saying we found an anomaly. We have explained

835
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: to at least our satisfaction and anomaly. The think is,

836
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: with three I at lists right now, there are things

837
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: that are very difficult to explain based on what human

838
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: civilization understands about interstellar objects. You know, again, very few

839
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: examples or understands about your garden variety comment. So, regardless

840
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: of how you feel about the good professor or the

841
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: idea of extra terrestrial life, reaching this old ball a dirt, sorry,

842
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 3: I should say a nicer thing about planet Earth because

843
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: we all we reside here. What's a nice poetic way

844
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: to refer to Planet Earth? Little blue Pearl, the blue Dot,

845
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: the pale blue dots, Spaceship number one spaceship.

846
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: The only confirmed place with biodiversity, oxygen, abundant water, and delicious,

847
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: delicious case ideas God's favorite marble.

848
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: I love all of these and thank you for the

849
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: case DIA reference, Matt. Also, I love the idea of

850
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: Atlas actually being a spaceship and saying that Earth is

851
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: not biodiverse enough. They're like, well, wow, ninety nine of

852
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: the life here is carbon based, lame.

853
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: We just need to take out this one species and

854
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: will be good.

855
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry sorry, Uh wait, what's the most innocuous species? Uh,

856
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: it can't be humans. He's definitely talking, definitely talking about humans.

857
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: But if there was one that doesn't deserve to be

858
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: picked on yet.

859
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: They're always looking at our radio waves pas heerbacks.

860
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 3: They're like, they're like, we shoot out these ageless spaceships

861
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: to eliminate mirror CAATs. Those monsters.

862
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: They're always looking around.

863
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: They're always fiddling with stuff. It looks sketchy little human hands, yeah,

864
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: big eyes. I don't trust their eyes.

865
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: So singing songs with their warthog pals.

866
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 3: Now, if you are the average to Moon and Pumba,

867
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Speaker 3: you may be asking what could this mean for the future.

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Speaker 3: As we record three, I at lists is on the

869
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: way out. You can check the latest tracking on various websites.

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Speaker 3: We recommend atlascomment dot com.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and avilobe dot medium dot com. Definitely go

872
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: there and at least read what's going on. One of

873
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: the craziest things that has occurred through all of this

874
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: three I Atlas hubbub is that on October second and third,

875
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: there was a camera on board the Mars reconnaissance or orbiter,

876
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: the high Rise Cameras what it's known as. It took

877
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: images of THREEI Atlas that were some of the highest

878
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: resolution images that have ever been captured of this thing.

879
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: And because the government was shut down, at least that's

880
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Speaker 2: the excuse given NASA has not released any of those images.

881
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: They still have it as we're recording this on November fourteenth.

882
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: Hopefully on the way though post government shutdown. I was

883
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Speaker 3: looking at that as well, Yeah, hopefully.

884
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Speaker 2: But Avy's been making a big stink about it, I

885
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: think in a good way. He's been talking about it

886
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: a lot, and it is. It's definitely one of those

887
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: things that it would be nice to see, not that

888
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: it's going to prove that it's an alien spaceship, but

889
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: just how awesome would it be to see super high

890
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Speaker 2: resolution images of this thing that we're all so curious about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we always applaud science taking precedent over political concerns. Yeah,

892
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: that's a big part of the issue here. Oh yeah.

893
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, and then there's guys, there's other stuff happening in

894
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: the news right now. If you're searching for three EYE

895
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: at lists, you're going to see a bunch of a

896
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: bunch of writing about other comments that are of this

897
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: solar system that have been observed. There has been a

898
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: bit of a connection by AUVI and some other people

899
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: two three I atlas with these comments. Somehow did was

900
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: this in some way related to three I atlas. There

901
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: are people from NASA, Space, dot Com, Live Science, a

902
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: bunch of people talking about how no, there's no connection

903
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: with these and three I atlasts. You can look up

904
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: the things. We'll just give you some of the names

905
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: so you can do some searching. See Slash twenty twenty

906
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: five vs. Borisov Is one. It's a newly discovered comet.

907
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: It approached the closest to Earth at least as of

908
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: right now, on November eleventh, just a few days before

909
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: we're recording this. And then There's another large one that

910
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: has a very similar name, c slash twenty twenty five

911
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: K one at liss. This one was observed breaking apart

912
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: into at least three pieces. You can read about it

913
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: on space dot com. You can search for Comet c

914
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: slash twenty twenty five K one Atlas splits into three

915
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: pieces after a close brush with the sun. It is

916
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: set to make its closest approach to the Earth on

917
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: November twenty fifth, so a little before Thanksgiving. And then

918
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: the closest approach for three I at lis guys is

919
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: in December, at some point December nineteenth of this year,

920
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: so just look out for those dates.

921
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that there's more and more strange

922
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: stuff in the sky. We hope you're following the news

923
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: as closely as we are, folks, And we want to

924
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: want to end with a you know, debate and discourse,

925
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: controversy aside. We want to end with a tremendous thank you,

926
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: an acknowledgment of the hard work of the astrophysicist, the

927
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: astronomers involved. You are the folks who are responsible for

928
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: advancing scientific understanding. We know it's always been a situation

929
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: where you get caught up with funding you gets some

930
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: kind of political speed bumps, So thank you for staying

931
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: the course. I think we end with a statement from

932
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: the good Professor himself. He wrote a famous and controversial

933
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: paper called our Neighbor's Grass May Not Be Green from

934
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and he often references this analogy when he's

935
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: on a show, or he's on a podcast, or you know,

936
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: when people reading the papers. Please read his research, because

937
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: he gets a lot of you know, those scary, sometimes

938
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: hyperbolic questions like is a possible alien civilization specifically targeting

939
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: life on Earth?

940
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: Is it?

941
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: Is it a dark forest thing? Is it a star

942
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: trek thing? Like? Should we feel good or bad about

943
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: these possibilities? Here's what he says. It's kind of a bummer.

944
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: It's also pretty beautiful, and we're not going to do

945
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: the voice. He says, quote, it is presumptuous to assume

946
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: that we are special and worthy special attention from advanced

947
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: species in the milky way. We may be a phenomenon

948
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: as ordinary as ants are on a sidewalk. When crossing

949
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: a sidewalk, we never paid tribute to every ant along

950
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: our path? What do you guys think about that? Like?

951
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I mean it's it's kind of a bummer, not

952
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: so mean.

953
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 4: Well that's true. I mean, you know, back to the

954
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: Katamaria of it all. You know some things that just

955
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 4: like beyond our perview.

956
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, how many ultrons are out there?

957
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a species of ultrons that we just haven't

958
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: countered yet.

959
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: How many kings? How many doctor dooms by the way,

960
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: a spoiler for secret works.

961
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: How many doctor do look but like like star sized beings.

962
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: Maybe that is a thing that we just haven't come

963
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: across yet, right, I mean, that's who knows. It's crazy

964
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: to imagine that stuff. I don't know, would you guys?

965
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to shout out one article really quickly. It's

966
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: a news article that has it's some of the most

967
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: link dense writing that I've seen in a while. It

968
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: comes from Science Alert and Michelle Starr from November thirteenth.

969
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: This is the title, and it is definitely leaning towards

970
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: skepticism when it comes to three I Atlas, but it's

971
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: a really good place to find at least what the

972
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: scientific community at large is thinking about all of this stuff.

973
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: The title is, don't panic. Three Eye Atlas isn't an

974
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: alien death probe, but it is wildly unusual. It's kind

975
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: of writing that line between here's the anomalist stuff, but

976
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: also here's why. It's probably not of alien origin, and

977
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: it just links to absolutely every single thing that has

978
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: occurred over the course of three eye Atlis's life of

979
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: being observed.

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: So do check that out, folks, Please do also go

981
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: back to that quote we shared from doctor Loweb himself.

982
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: We have to ask whitherin Wentz three I Atlas, current

983
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: civilization is not sure? Could this be a natural, albeit rare,

984
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: anomalous phenomenon. Could it be something else? When it comes

985
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 3: to this one, we have to say there may not

986
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: be stuff they don't want you to know, but there

987
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: is definitely stuff people don't know. Unless you have the

988
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,760
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989
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991
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993
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