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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: today's special expert guests. He is the senior researcher of

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Speaker 1: US hate and extremist Movements at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.

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Speaker 1: To quote Samuel L. Jackson, holt onto your butts because

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Speaker 1: it's the return of ultimania. Welcome back to the show,

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Speaker 1: Jared Hawk.

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Speaker 2: Jared, Hey, thanks for having me, guys. I kind of

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Speaker 2: feel like the janitor. I think, like when you go

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Speaker 2: see a concert and all the lights come up and

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Speaker 2: like after those musical renditions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, guys. Hey, hey, oh oh hey,

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Speaker 3: ye sweeping up around here. I don't have to go home,

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Speaker 3: but you really shouldn't stay here. Guys left a lot

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Speaker 3: of little plastic bags on the ground here. Another one

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Speaker 3: of those shows.

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Jared, Hey, I'm doing right where you

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Speaker 2: coming to. It's from Chicago. Moved here. A couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago and it's getting a little cold here, but

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Speaker 2: love this city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the old two one three three one two three

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Speaker 1: one two damn it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so close. Hey, it's okay, man, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: We covered this yesterday. A yeah.

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Speaker 4: Literally, So, Jared, what's like, because you know, when we

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Speaker 4: first started the show, we had you on when you're

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Speaker 4: working at like right Wing Watch. Yeah yeah, and now

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Speaker 4: like you've there's like a whole lane to be somebody

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Speaker 4: who is so well versed in like extremist semiotics and

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Speaker 4: monitoring extremist movements that like, I just feel like you're

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Speaker 4: always moving up and I'm like, this is this is fair.

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Speaker 4: I love the glow up, but it's always on the

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Speaker 4: back of having to have your head in some of

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Speaker 4: the dark shit all the time. But you're doing well

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Speaker 4: otherwise despite this career path. I just want to make

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Speaker 4: sure because the work you do is fantastic. The work

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Speaker 4: that your colleagues do is fantastic. I could never imagine

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Speaker 4: being disengaged with it, even at the level we do.

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Speaker 4: But shit, the level that like you guys do is

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Speaker 4: completely it's like completely different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all that.

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Speaker 2: It's It's really interesting because I started doing this kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff full time something like eight years ago, right,

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Speaker 2: and I felt like when I was doing it then,

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Speaker 2: I was like the crazy guy on the town square,

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Speaker 2: being like here, ye, here, he please pay attention to

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Speaker 2: this shit, right, And now it's just like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm glad it's recognized, but it is really

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Speaker 2: unfortunate that you know, in the grand scheme of things

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Speaker 2: that it's necessary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but so long as I can help, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's it's like a calling of mine, I guess, And

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's really dark, but then there's like

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Speaker 2: a little bit of gallows humor that keeps me coming back.

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Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Would you say, like just kind of having taking a

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Speaker 1: step back, would January sixth be the thing that like

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Speaker 1: made sort of the mainstream world take right wing extremism

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Speaker 1: more seriously? Was it happening before that? Was it Charlottesville?

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Speaker 1: What was the kind of overall pattern?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Charlottesville was sort of the beginning

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Speaker 2: few really really horrible extremist mass killings. That's when you

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Speaker 2: and then I think for you know, the normies of

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Speaker 2: the world that still didn't get it somehow. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of hard to think of a more powerful image than

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Speaker 2: you know, QAnon ants and car dealership uncles rather flies

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Speaker 2: by the internet, you know, smashing through the halls of Congress.

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Speaker 2: I think that was pretty hard to you know, look

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Speaker 4: Fuck.

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Speaker 1: I remember how recently it was like such a fringe idea,

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Speaker 1: Like even even after right wing extreme asm was responsible

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Speaker 4: It's because we have such you know, white supremacist reflexes

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Speaker 4: but yeah, like I feel like that always has that's

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Speaker 4: or just not whether not being taken seriously or this

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it still does, right, I mean I

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Speaker 2: every once in a while you'll catch, you know, after

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Speaker 2: some mass shooting or big event in extremism land, a

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Speaker 4: It's like, right, we don't, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, as a culture, we don't cut this slack or

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Speaker 2: like try to you know, do armchair psychology over other stuff,

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Speaker 4: Right, right, right exactly. But how did they grow up though?

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Speaker 4: These skinhead kids.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, it doesn't matter because yeah, exactly, let's

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Speaker 2: get to the point here, skinhead now, yeah, and that

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Speaker 4: Hate to see it, don't you? You hate to see

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's like what people would say, like

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Speaker 1: Really, what is something from your search history?

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Speaker 5: Oh god?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So the one thing that really did pop up

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Speaker 4: Like a homebody two year old?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because we're currently like putting her into school and

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Speaker 5: And so I just like, it's just so crazy because

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Speaker 6: Something like that, it's not like I think there's going

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Speaker 6: to be an answer, right I really, you know what

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Speaker 6: I'm looking for, and this is so sad. I'm looking

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Speaker 5: Tab and move on with my life.

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Yeah, it's sad of like No, that's not

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I should be just like texting a

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Speaker 6: friend right.

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Speaker 4: Well, that have I mean, but I guess it's sometimes

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Speaker 4: like our questions are so specific to experience. Sometimes we

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Speaker 4: don't have somebody who's been through that exact thing, so

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Speaker 4: I can see what's.

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Speaker 1: Cleaner to crowdsource friends, Miles, You don't a friend is

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Speaker 1: going to want stuff from you. But this is crowdsource

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Speaker 1: and see you you cast a wide net see other

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Speaker 1: people's experience, and then you can just discard.

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Speaker 5: Them and then you. Guys don't always get back to

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Speaker 5: me right away.

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Speaker 6: So that's why for this specific one, I didn't really

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Speaker 6: want to text you.

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Speaker 1: I don't interact with people unless it's on my podcast.

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Speaker 4: You have to come here with a microphone in front

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Speaker 4: of you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to my wife in seven years. What

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Speaker 1: I say, it's gotta be on Mike. This is content, babe,

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Speaker 1: This is content, babe. The I have a five year

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Speaker 1: old I was fighting this exact battle this very morning,

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Speaker 1: was trying to get him to go to school, and

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Speaker 1: he unbuckled himself as the car started moving, Oh tried

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Speaker 1: to climb into the front seat and be like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going I'm not no, like I don't think you understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Wow, like it's happening.

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Speaker 4: Trump on January sixth, like trying to turn the suburban around, Like, yo,

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Speaker 4: get back, stay back there, sir, Yeah, you're doing.

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Speaker 1: It's very transitory though.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: We were over it within five minutes.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 6: See my girl, she's new to this whole thing, so

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Speaker 6: she's got endurance.

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Speaker 1: Like I was.

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Speaker 6: They have a little gate on the side of the school,

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Speaker 6: and for like twenty minutes, I was like peeking through the.

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Speaker 5: Gate, yeah, and like yeah, she's still going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. No,

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Speaker 5: she's got a really dirty mouth.

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Speaker 4: Don't touch me.

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Speaker 1: You fucking asshole.

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Speaker 4: You're like, oh my.

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Speaker 6: God, I'm like, sorry, honey, I gotta go do a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, very important. You know what, you can totally just

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Speaker 1: end this right now and go and go hang out

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Speaker 1: with your daughter if you want. This is, by no

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Speaker 1: means the best thing to be doing this.

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Speaker 6: If I get a phone call from from the center,

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Speaker 6: I'll have to take it. But otherwise, you guys, I

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, what is something, Brian that you think is overrated?

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Speaker 7: I think eating healthy is overrated.

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Speaker 4: M go on.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm like, I get it.

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Speaker 8: Like, you know, it's like eating healthy probably makes you

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Speaker 8: feel better, you know, it probably makes you live longer,

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Speaker 8: but who cares.

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Speaker 4: You're here for a good time, not a long time.

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Speaker 8: Here for a good time, not a long time, yeah,

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Speaker 8: or are you for a long time in a bad time?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah? With them of enjoying junk food yeah.

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Speaker 8: Or like not yeah junk food or just like stuff that,

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Speaker 8: Like if you have two options in front of you,

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Speaker 8: it's like, why let me have the bad one. Maybe

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Speaker 8: the bad one is not even that bad?

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Speaker 1: What are you okay?

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's like, were you recently at at of crossroads

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Speaker 7: No, I generally eat healthy, though.

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Speaker 1: Oh but you seem very healthy, Like that's the thing

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Speaker 1: Are you like, do you need to eat healthily to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, to maintain my physique. I feel like I need

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Speaker 8: I feel like I know, I just be healthy because

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Speaker 4: As long as you don't walk into a McDonald's and

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Speaker 7: Healthy Taco Bell?

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Speaker 1: They Taco Bell is health food.

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Speaker 1: That's right. A is like a fruit juice cocktail. Basically

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Speaker 8: I think, can you imagine, like it's good if it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beef culinary zeit gang. Let us know, like, is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there is like a TikTok dedicated to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure like yeah, like like health health junk,

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Speaker 4: It's different than the vision to Taco Bell.

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Speaker 1: It's two meeting. I'm like the you can like, it's

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Speaker 8: And yeah, I live right by a Wendy's at four

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I live by a Taco Bell and a McDonald's,

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Speaker 8: There needs to be like a somebody that like calls

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's coughing exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And so you go home and you you don't

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Speaker 9: Okay? I am in my thirties and I love staying

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Speaker 1: I think we need to.

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Speaker 9: It's community, it's.

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Speaker 4: You know, I kind of I'm kind of on the

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Speaker 9: People got to accept you for your ship.

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Speaker 4: It's not even me.

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Speaker 1: It's like for me, like, I love I need my

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Speaker 4: I need my bed day and you.

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Speaker 1: Main your main bedroom, the bathroom off that if I

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Speaker 9: Like listing all the ways your terrible house guests disgusting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, man, I'm just gonna utterly fuck up this bathroom.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: I invited thirty of my closest friends to have a

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Speaker 1: Mind, I borrowed your wife's bathroom for the bubble bath.

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Speaker 4: And these guys there, they are real jokesters. We like

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Speaker 4: we're gonna have a good time.

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Speaker 1: We did have friends to stay with us when we

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Speaker 4: Oh I've done that.

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Speaker 9: I've done that in someone's home before. I have to

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Speaker 4: I just realized. I think your story just made me

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Speaker 9: I saw your eyes go black for a second, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I war wore one of the dead people from

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Speaker 4: I remember it was a Halloween party for this girl, Daniella,

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Speaker 4: that's me, that's me, that's me, that's me, right, so

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Speaker 4: I think, God, thank you, just you just knocked a

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Speaker 9: A missing therapy. But for people whose toilets you, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, like reach out to your expector to be like, Miles,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? That's no problem. She's like, Miles,

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Speaker 1: you can't unfunck up that toilet. Okay.

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Speaker 4: She's like, you know, my my parents had to move

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Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry, amazing. Well, yeah, but to your point,

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Speaker 1: It's like that part in the rehearsal the Nathan Fielder

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Speaker 1: Show where he like goes to that house. He's like,

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Speaker 1: everything here is like so perfect. You couldn't like recreate

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Speaker 9: Thing seeing how people live or like raise their kids

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: on the other side of the coin, I love having

441
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 4: people stay with me. Yeah, Like I love it because

442
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 4: then I get to, like, you know, my love languages

443
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 4: come out, Like I'm all about acts of service and

444
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 4: shit like that, So I start cooking and doing those

445
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: kinds of things, and so like when you experience that

446
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 4: on the other side too, that's also a nice way

447
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 4: to like kind of remember like that you have a

448
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: bond with people too, so and you're not going to

449
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: get that at the hotel buffet.

450
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Speaker 1: Right, And I do when I go to their house,

451
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: I do order room service. And yeah, you're like, there's

452
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: not even a menu.

453
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 9: What do you mean dropping towels outside the bedroom door?

454
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

455
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: Sorry, where's the comment box?

456
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 4: Yeah?

457
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: Where where do I leave some feedback for?

458
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: You have to post it note on your door. Last

459
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: night before you went to sleep. That said two eggs,

460
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: benedict and discresso. What was that? That's what I'll have

461
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 4: in the morning.

462
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, we're going to be sleeping in, so

463
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: if you could just like kind of bring it in

464
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: quiet but.

465
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: Hushed, hushed, hushed, but bring it in like I don't

466
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 4: want it to be cold, so like, let me notes there,

467
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 4: but don't fucking wake me up.

468
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Speaker 9: They start getting into it. They're like, where's my tip?

469
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, they give me a bill. I'm like,

470
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 4: damn fucking forty seven bucks. The fuck is this? They're like, well,

471
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: there's a service fee.

472
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come

473
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Speaker 1: back and talk about the GOP debate. And we're back.

474
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Speaker 4: Oh, we're back.

475
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Speaker 1: Oh we're back, so, Jared. Something that your institute has

476
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: been talking about is sort of some of the opportunism

477
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Speaker 1: happening from the extreme right. It feels like there are

478
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: like avowed anti Semites that are using the current situation

479
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: in Gaza to like kind of get their message in

480
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: under the radar to people that are merely trying to

481
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: learn more about what is happening on the ground. Are

482
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Speaker 1: you are you seeing a lot of this kind of

483
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Speaker 1: opportunityanistic rhetoric happening both on the side of anti Semitism

484
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: and then kind of in other ways on the side

485
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: of Islamophobia.

486
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean any kind of like major cultural

487
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: flashpoint like this is going to be a big like

488
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: source of opportunism from extremist groups and on the extreme right.

489
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Speaker 2: We've seen you know, neo Nazis, white supremacists, you know,

490
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: all kinds of folks that have these really sort of

491
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: ingrained anti Semitic beliefs trying to insert themselves into the conversation.

492
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: And you know, they sort of rehearse these talking points

493
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: for so long they are absolutely obsessed with Israel and

494
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So now that that is in

495
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: the news, you know, I think some of them have

496
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: been able to, you know, get on platforms like Twitter

497
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: or I guess it's XN and you know, kind of

498
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: convey this false sense of authority, right, you know, and

499
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: maybe the get people in by you know, just kind

500
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: of sharing news about what's going on or speculation or whatever.

501
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: And then you know, if they get people along for

502
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: the ride, then you know, that's when the real shit

503
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: comes out. You know, this is and these kind of opportunities.

504
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: You know, I think back to when I started, and

505
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, I was hanging out on four Chan during

506
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: the Trump movement and whatever, and you know, to this day,

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: there's this obsession with like red pilling. Not a lot

508
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: of people like call it that explicitly anymore, but just

509
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: seeking these little opportunities to like plant these little seeds

510
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: and try to take these social movements that have a

511
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: lot of emotion, you know, that are maybe debated or

512
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: less clear on facts in some cases, like in this one,

513
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: where there's like both the time zone gap and also

514
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: just a disparity between like the amount of reporters on

515
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: the ground that are able to get good information and

516
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: like have it bounce through and then wind up in

517
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Speaker 2: a US audience. You know, in that gap, that's where

518
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: they're trying to leverage things and get people. Even if

519
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: you know they're not going to go to like a

520
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protest and walk away with a crowd of

521
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 2: two thousand neo Nazis, you know, they want to at

522
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: least get some of the some of their ideas even

523
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: just slightly more popularized, because that has the effect of

524
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Speaker 2: sanitizing them right when they come out and maybe they're

525
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: a more extreme version of it. But if people are

526
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Speaker 2: acclimated at the very least, even if they don't totally

527
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Speaker 2: believe it, it still gives them an advantage in the discourse.

528
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: And like being viewed as legitimate or being viewed as

529
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: you know, being reflective of how people secretly really feel, right,

530
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: is like the greatest gift in the world to extremists.

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Speaker 4: Because I feel like, who's that was that one where

532
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: Benny Johnson like a clown?

533
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Speaker 2: Clown?

534
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I felt early on he was like tweeting

535
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Speaker 4: things that seemingly like appeared objective about, like policies of

536
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: the Israeli government, and then people were like, dude, this

537
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: guy is fucking a trash racist, Like like, hold on

538
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: the people that this do this is getting a ton

539
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: of retweets right now. Know that this person has like

540
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 4: does not have their head in this for the right reasons.

541
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 4: He's purely here to like insert himself to get an

542
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: audience that is eventually gonna switch a certain way. But

543
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 4: like when you when you guys do an analysis, you

544
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: were obviously you're saying like you're seeing like an uptick

545
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: in both islamophobic posts and anti Semitic posts, But you're

546
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: also very you're careful to do the thing, which because

547
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: right now I feel like we're in this environment where

548
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: people are conflating Israel with the entire religion of Judaism,

549
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: or conflating a call for a ceasefire to be anti semitic.

550
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: But how do you get like, so in that analysis,

551
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: what were you guys even finding from from from like

552
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: what's currently happening.

553
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so doing analysis over like several platforms on social media,

554
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: there's no like totally perfect methodology. Sure, so these are

555
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: like approximations based on like collections of keywords we put

556
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: together and then sort of calling and refining, you know,

557
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: getting the trash out of the data and that sort

558
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: of stuff. But we're seeing increases to the tune of

559
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: something like four hundred percent or like two and a

560
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: half time fold when it comes to anti semitism. But yeah,

561
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: we try to be really careful in doing exactly what

562
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: you just said. You know, people criticizing the government of

563
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: Israel is not like inherently anti semitic, right, so that

564
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: should not qualify And again, like you said, calling for

565
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: a ceasefire or you know, that sort of thing is

566
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: not necessarily like pro Hamas, right, right. I think the

567
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: powers that be, like these militaries and stuff, right, would

568
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: like love for us to just be like at each

569
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: other's throats, you know, failing to see this like middle

570
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: humanitarian ground of being, like what if killing innocent people

571
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: is bad?

572
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: Right? Right?

573
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Period, We're against that?

574
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if like children didn't have to die discriminately?

575
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Right?

576
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: Like That's but you know in these situations that that

577
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: sort of headbutt that's happening is just like producing these

578
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: huge rises in online rhetoric that's like very specifically islamophobic,

579
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: very specifically anti Semitic, and those trends are also reflected

580
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: in some of the early like offline data overseeing you know,

581
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: the leaders of synagogues getting targeted, people showing up to

582
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protests with weapons, Like just north of Chicago

583
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: and Scochi, someone showed up with like a it's like

584
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: a paintball gun type, it's like a less than lethal

585
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: gun type thing, but it still managed to like terrorize

586
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: the crowd and all that. Right, So it's you know,

587
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: that conversation that's happening online is also reflecting itself in

588
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: real life. And you know, if you remember either one

589
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: of these communities, maybe rightfully, so you would feel a

590
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: little bit on.

591
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Speaker 4: Edge, right, Yeah, and I'm sure adding to that the

592
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: utter lack of moderation on Twitter. It's just like it's

593
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: just a free for all. And I know you guys

594
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: were pointing out that there's a four hundred and twenty

595
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: two percent rise in the use of anti Muslim language

596
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: on x since the start of this, and yeah, like

597
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: that's why, Like when I first reached out, I was like,

598
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: I'm really curious to get your perspective on this, because

599
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 4: I can I already was seeing like at the start

600
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: of this that there were these like people I'm like,

601
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I know that handle but for bad reasons,

602
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: Like I'm pretty sure this person is a scumbag like

603
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: neo Nazi, and then they'll just like kind of sanitize

604
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: their avatar to be like, no, I'm wearing a suit

605
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: and I have this like I have an Israeli and

606
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: American flag in it, but I'm also doing this like

607
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: really like really opportunistic shit. And I can just see how,

608
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: because of how charged the entire situation is, it must

609
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: be like a very like the like extremists must be

610
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: just like rubbing their hands together to be like, oh,

611
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: we can really take advantage of this in either direction.

612
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, definitely. It's like if I mean, if you

613
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: look at the you know, explosion of the hospital in Gaza,

614
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: for example, that was that was like a really good

615
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: example of the information gap that they're exploiting. In this

616
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: situation where there's reports of this explosion, you know, some

617
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: initial remarks both from you know, government over Gaza and Israel.

618
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Newsrooms in the US are trying to figure out what

619
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: the hell is happening. A few of them fall like

620
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: flat on their face. A lot of details still aren't clear.

621
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: But in that gap, you know, which can be several hours,

622
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: if not days, and you know, I mean we don't

623
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: we still don't have like the most insane, like if

624
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: you're taking this position of being like inherently skeptical of

625
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: like government claims right like as far as hard concrete

626
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: this is one, two three what happened, we still don't

627
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: have that right. And that gap is where the opportunity

628
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: lies for these folks, because they can come in and say,

629
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, you should listen to me because X y Z,

630
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: and while you're here, I've got all this extra shit

631
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: to say right, and then that's when they're getting sort

632
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: of there. They're coming in this with ulterior motives, right,

633
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: you know.

634
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the conflating of anti Semitism and criticism of

635
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: the Israeli state is where a lot of these extremists

636
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: are thriving. And then on the side of Islamophobia, as

637
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Miles mentioned, your your organization found a four hundred and

638
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: twenty two percent rise in the use of anti Muslim

639
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: language on Twitter since the start of the conflict. But

640
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: it's like it feels a little bit different there because

641
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: so much of the US government and like mainstream media's

642
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: official default position, like since two thousand and one, has

643
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: had a lot of Islamophobia baked into it. So like,

644
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: how are you guys, It seems like that this is

645
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: metastasizing islamaf phobia is metastasizing in real time as this

646
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: conflict is happening. How do you see how do you

647
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: kind of track that and how are you seeing it

648
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: change currently?

649
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the numbers are you know, an analysis of

650
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: data that we're pulling off platforms using you know, both

651
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: third party tools tools. We have methodologies we have in

652
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: house to do this kind of stuff, But when it

653
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: comes to. I think what you're speaking to, Jack is

654
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: like the mainstreaming effect of this stuff, and that's a

655
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: lot harder to track. We are like actively at the

656
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: drawing board on that, Like how can you quantify or

657
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: like illustrate in an unobjectable way or undisputable way a

658
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Speaker 2: mainstreaming effect. So that's kind of a work in progress.

659
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Speaker 2: But I will say generally, to see this kind of

660
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: stuff also reflected in institutions and from individuals that should

661
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: know better and have a lot of power and sway

662
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: in society is totally disappointing. And a lot of research

663
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: shows that when people in those positions of authority in

664
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Speaker 2: a society make positive statements, you know, condemning this sort

665
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: of thing, discouraging people from engaging in violence and that

666
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, it actually does have an effect on people. Yeah,

667
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: so it's to me when I see that kind of

668
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: stuff reflected, I just think it's like a forfeiting of

669
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Speaker 2: a certain moral responsibility than as a leader in a society,

670
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Speaker 2: I think you should be compelled to right.

671
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

672
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing people resigning from The New York Times

673
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: for expressing opposition to the killing of innocent palest Indian people.

674
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a crazy time. Your organization recently released

675
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: a report about white supremacy three point zero, which got

676
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: me excited because I thought there might be some crypto

677
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: that I could purchase involved with this because web three

678
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: point oh, you know, you got to strike while the

679
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: iron's hot, those prices are low. You got to buy

680
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: the dip.

681
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, you lost so many you know, you lost

682
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: so much money on the apes.

683
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta find it. You got to figure

684
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Speaker 1: out how to make that bad.

685
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Speaker 4: I told him, I said, there's some racist imagery in

686
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: that ship. To Jack, I don't know, I.

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: Said, I'm blind right now, So how much we bro?

688
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean like this is it is wild

689
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 4: because yeah, like seeing this idea of white supremacy, white

690
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: nationalism three point oh like was like, okay, wait, so

691
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: we're doing we're talking about third wave racism basically, so

692
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: one point oh being what like skinheads like that era,

693
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Speaker 4: which was that what we call one point.

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Speaker 2: Zero, so one is yeah, kind of the old school

695
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Speaker 2: before people started doing point ohs. Right, yeah, yeah, beta,

696
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Speaker 2: uh you know the one point oh or I guess

697
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: like like all right, one point oh that would be

698
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: like the counter Currents blog Vdair Richard Spencer's of the World,

699
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: because that was like, you know, these kind of like

700
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Speaker 2: older folks, a lot of them were writers and whatnot.

701
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: Two point zero would be you know, sort of like

702
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Speaker 2: Charlottesville and what happened after that, and a lot of

703
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: one point zh types were like part of the two

704
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: point zero. It's not like these are completely distinct groups

705
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: or movements or whatever. And then like a three point

706
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: oh now is you know, kind of its own mess.

707
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: I think it maybe makes sense to think of it

708
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: less in terms of like generations and maybe more in

709
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: terms of tactics.

710
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 6: Right.

711
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: Right, the version one was all about like propaganda, you know,

712
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: small groups on local levels whatever two point zher was,

713
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, that big attempt to go mainstream, really soaking

714
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: in the Internet, using that to full advantage. And this

715
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: three point zero is almost like a little bit of

716
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: return to form, going back to that local model, but

717
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: with like a whole host of baggage that came from

718
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Speaker 2: like the years before.

719
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Speaker 4: Right, because like even the term right is coming from

720
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: their movement. It's not something you guys like point yeah,

721
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: it's not like we came up. We came it's like

722
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: for their own internal purposes. Like we need a white

723
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: nationalism three point zero for lack of a better word,

724
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: and like for them, the aim is sort of to

725
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 4: be able to make this their their ideology basically palatable

726
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: to normal people. Is like kind of like a huge

727
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: part of this three point oh push right.

728
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know you would think that, but

729
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: actually it's you know, our it guy called us and

730
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we've we've got the leadst update for

731
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: white nationalism. We have to refresh your computer. Yeah three

732
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Speaker 2: point zh So.

733
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Speaker 4: I need you to sign on to team Viewer now

734
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: or zend k man. I'm gonna walk youthing. Is this

735
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: a scam?

736
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: No?

737
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: But like yeah, like it feels like like to your point,

738
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: like the tactic now is like okay, maybe that didn't work.

739
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: What we really need is to be able to just

740
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 4: kind of blend in and seem normal, so this becomes

741
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: an acceptable kind of ideology to subscribe to. And they

742
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: have very like their tactics are different now too, even

743
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: for recruiting, right.

744
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean so the report we're talking about

745
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: is about something called active clubs, which we can talk

746
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: about in a second, but more generally in the white

747
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: supremacist movement and just far right movements overall. They've kind

748
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: of realized something that the evangelical right has known for decades,

749
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: that like any effective organizing in the last few decades,

750
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: has understood very acutely, which is that winning a national

751
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: office is hard. Running a candidate for president is hard.

752
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: You know, even state government positions can be tricky, but

753
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: school boards, city council, you know, like trying to get

754
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: a sheriff in, right, Like, a lot of these are

755
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: local elections that are won by you know, in a

756
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: lot of places. You know, maybe not a Chicago in

757
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: LA or whatever, but like a lot of places in

758
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: the US can be one with like a matter of

759
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: a few hundred votes, right, So there's more opportunities to

760
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: take power there. And then you know, by harassing these

761
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: low level governments and threatening people showing up at all

762
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Speaker 2: these meetings, you know, going nuts, creating a hostile environment.

763
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Speaker 2: A lot of these folks that ran for these local

764
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Speaker 2: offices didn't sign up for that shit. They don't have

765
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Speaker 2: resources to like be safe when that shit's happening, right,

766
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: So a lot of them resign, Like a lot of

767
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: election officials on the county level have resigned, you know,

768
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Speaker 2: over the last few years.

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Speaker 4: I just saw a report about that recently, about how

770
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of election officials that are resigning. People

771
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: like buckle up for twenty four then, because this is

772
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: exactly the kind of situation like extremists want.

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00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a big opening, right, And if these

774
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: offices are easier to win, if it's easier to get

775
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: their policies through, like their dream vote policies or at

776
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: the very least, smacking down policies they don't like. You

777
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: know that, if that happens at scale, then the idea

778
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: of national candidates of you know, big organizations starts to

779
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Speaker 2: become more feasible.

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Speaker 10: Right.

781
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: It's it's like the most time tested way to gain

782
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: political power, which is start at the bottom and work

783
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Speaker 2: your way up.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, let let's take a quick break and

785
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll keep talking about this strategy and

786
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: we'll get into active clubs. We'll be right back, and

787
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Speaker 1: we're back. We're Commanda Lund. You have a new podcast

788
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Speaker 1: we mentioned up Top Keys to the Kingdom, by the way,

789
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: well named I don't I don't often say that about

790
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: about podcasts, but just a perfect name. But you're you

791
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: are using your background as a Disney Park cast member

792
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: as well as a bunch of research and interviews to

793
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: take people behind the scenes. And there's one story that

794
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: popped onto our radar about people are apparently pooping all

795
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: over the park in places they're not supposed to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I it was wild, how I like when we

797
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: were putting together stories for the episode, like this story

798
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 4: like literally dropped like yesterday on sf Gate, highly regarded

799
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: journalistic outlet, by the way. And so the story is

800
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: sort of going on a lot of stories that are

801
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: being shared on Reddit by former cast members and guests

802
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: that seem to overlap. So one person posted in like

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Speaker 4: a Disney Stubreddit quote, I am in the queue for

804
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: Rise of the Resistance. Someone let their kid take a

805
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: dump on the floor and then they just walked out

806
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: and left it. WTF. Then someone replied for the skeptics,

807
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 4: this actually happened. Fun fact, this was one of three

808
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: shit related incidents at Rise today. Less fun fact I

809
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: was here for all three of them. Wow, So it

810
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: sounds like shit like this and the pun is intended.

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Speaker 4: Has also happened on attractions like Flight of Passage at

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Speaker 4: Disney World. Someone said, quote, let's just say that the

813
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Speaker 4: attraction I work at has what the cast ended up

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Speaker 4: dubbing quote the poop Hall because of the amount of

815
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Speaker 4: times guests have gone in there and pooped. We even

816
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: put up a camera and it didn't stop it. No,

817
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Speaker 4: I don't know how hyperboling it might be.

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Speaker 6: Courage is this must be because the lines are long

819
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Speaker 6: and like perhaps, I mean, I'm not surprised. I've heard

820
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Speaker 6: of one instance of this, but it was at Hong

821
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Speaker 6: Kong Disneyland. Okay, then that was a friend told me

822
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Speaker 6: a story. I think a guest maybe pooped in like

823
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Speaker 6: a planter.

824
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, at least that's a planter versus right there

825
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Speaker 4: in the line for right planter.

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Speaker 1: Good. Wait, are we not supposed to poop in the planters?

827
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Speaker 5: Okay, so you've been pooping in the planters?

828
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Speaker 8: Is that?

829
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Speaker 1: I mean?

830
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Speaker 4: I haven't.

831
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say like I did it frequently,

832
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: but like I thought that, Yeah, like fertilizer, good for

833
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Speaker 1: the plant.

834
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Speaker 11: Let's just say his living room stinks, yeah, balancing on

835
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Speaker 11: like the tiny little but at the custodial the custodial stuff.

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Speaker 6: At Disneyland, they've got stories and we actually this isn't

837
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Speaker 6: poop related, but we talked to a Wall Street journal

838
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Speaker 6: journalist who had written a story about people spreading ashes. Yeah,

839
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Speaker 6: and that is a super common occurrence in the Haunted

840
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 6: Mansion specifically. And here's just like a little tidbit. We

841
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 6: talked about this in the last episode of the podcast.

842
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 6: But when the custodial notices someone has spread ashes, they

843
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 6: call it in over their little walkies as code grandma.

844
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

845
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Speaker 6: But then they got in trouble for doing that, so

846
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Speaker 6: they had to call it like whatever, code clean up,

847
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 6: yeah something or grand m.

848
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Speaker 5: It's incredible that like that kind of stuff goes on.

849
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Speaker 6: And I don't know, I mean, I personally have never

850
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Speaker 6: even really seen or smelled poop at Disney.

851
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they want to keep the princesses insulated from

852
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. It needs you to just believe

853
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: the magic.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and now that I say that, it's that's a

855
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 6: lie because I did smell a lot of poop, poopy diapers,

856
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 6: oh yeah, kids diapers.

857
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm like, is it it?

858
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Speaker 4: I get that too, Like when you have thousands of

859
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: little kids having to wait in long lines, shit happens.

860
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: There, you know, exactly, Like the needs they should have

861
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: more bathrooms along the path of the line, because it's like,

862
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was at Disney World less than a

863
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: year ago, and you know you are waiting for hours

864
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Speaker 1: if you don't remember to like get your kids, like,

865
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Speaker 1: get your kid to the bathroom beforehand. Like's at some

866
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: point your four year old's going to be like, look, man,

867
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Speaker 1: it's not It's not a question of if or when

868
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: it's happening. It's a it's a question of where it's right.

869
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: You got you gotta bite the bullet and just be like, well,

870
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I just waited in a three hour line for nothing, right, right, right,

871
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: which is fine, but then your kid's gonna be like

872
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: upset about having to mess that.

873
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 4: But yeah, And I was curious if it's like because

874
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of stories about adults going to the bathroom.

875
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: Two say you're like, hold on, what the fuck's going on?

876
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: It's not just kids, And I don't know if it's

877
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 4: like are people having some kind of like mdico Auki

878
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 4: phenomenon kind of thing, you know, like were people who

879
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 4: have to like go to a bookstore and got to

880
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 4: take a dump suddenly? Like are people just overwhelmed by

881
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: the Magic Kingdom and like their bowels go fantasmic on them,

882
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 4: or like what I think.

883
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: You might be Honestly, I think you might be onto something.

884
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 6: I feel like people are just so excited it right right, yeah,

885
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 6: and like maybe the clam chowder doesn't help.

886
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: Not for me. That's what I do.

887
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Too, just walking around with a bread ball of clan

888
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: housing it, just housing it and then no spoon, no spoon,

889
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: like a.

890
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: Fucking viking sipping out of my vanquished enemy's skull. And

891
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: it's just as tough as that. Oh yeah, yeah, except

892
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: it really gross and people are like, do you have

893
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: to like slurp that like in line right in my ear?

894
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 4: And like, look, it's I haven't been here in a while,

895
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: but it sounds like the code system like is normal, right,

896
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: because like you just said, there's code Grandma or whatever.

897
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: They altered it for spreading ashes, and there's also a

898
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: code for feces, which is code H for like horse manure,

899
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: so the custodial staff you'll clean up any like horseshit

900
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 4: like on main Street. And now they also have human

901
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: code H for the human variety, which is.

902
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: Human Code H is so foreboding. That's like that doesn't

903
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: make me less curious what's going on. I'm following the

904
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: employees who are like, we got a human coat h

905
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: over here. We gotta like it sounds like it Tontown

906
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: or something like it. Or there's like some sluent green

907
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: thing happening.

908
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's scary.

909
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: I bet they clean it up like so efficient efficiently

910
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 6: that you like wouldn't even notice. Like I I heard

911
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 6: a story that one time at Disney during Christmas. You know,

912
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 6: they had those big like Clydesdale horses. Okay, so one

913
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 6: of the horses like drop dead, and they put like

914
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 6: a little tarp over it. But they don't obviously want

915
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 6: just like a dead horse in the middle of main Street,

916
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 6: so they surrounded the horse with Christmas carollers, oh my god, oh.

917
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 5: As a way to kind of like distract.

918
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: From like yeah, shut the fuck up.

919
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.

920
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 6: So I wonder if they do the same thing with

921
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 6: like a little turd on the ground, if they'd be

922
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 6: like quick Pinocchio, like go over there, like do some animation.

923
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: In front of the little turd and hat on it

924
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: on top of it, just like it's nothing.

925
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: Because anything is it can be made a magical moment,

926
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 6: you know, and that is what Disney does best.

927
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's more whimsical than a pile of extremit with

928
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 4: a Mickey hat. I can't think of anything else like

929
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: that would that would probably right my day. I wonder like,

930
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 4: do the people who run the show who are like,

931
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: all right, get me twenty carollers over here and just

932
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 4: have them circle the horse carcass and start like that's

933
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: that's a sort of genius that I feel like, are

934
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 4: are these people who like, what what is your background

935
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: when you get to that position? Is your background like

936
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: being a casino pit boss? Or are you are you coming.

937
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: From like the world of Like you know, I've been

938
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: involved in many kinetic situations in the Middle East, if

939
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

940
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: They're probably coming from the Pentagon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the.

941
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: Pentagon is a revolving door between the Pentagon and be

942
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: like controlling, like being the eyes in the sky at

943
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: Disneyland and Disney World.

944
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 4: Think so.

945
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 6: But I think the road to getting like that job

946
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 6: is just being a Disney adult and believing so heavily

947
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 6: in the magic that you will do whatever it takes

948
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 6: to protect the magic.

949
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: Including if a kid sees the dead horse, that kid

950
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: needs to go because guys, he's going to get out

951
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: into the world, start talking about it, and he's gonna

952
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: just hit the magic a little bit.

953
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 6: Or what you do is you indoctrinate that child and

954
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: you make sure they have a lifelong career in the company, right,

955
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 6: like keep your enemies closer, oh right, right.

956
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: Right, absorb them. They're like, hey, kid, we got a

957
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: lot of potential. Don't wait it out there in the

958
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 4: real world. You should you should apply that here in

959
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 4: the kingdom. What do you think if you ever get

960
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: the sense that they're turning, you gotta you gotta take.

961
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: Care of that really quick.

962
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're likely.

963
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they and they do a thing. They're like,

964
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: you don't want a bunch of carollers singing around you, right,

965
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 4: focus on getting right.

966
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: End up spread around the hunted mansion and do Yeah,

967
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: you take.

968
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 5: Him over to Tom Sawyer's Island.

969
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just take a little boat ride.

970
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: Take a little boat ride with me.

971
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the real grim.

972
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: So like a mob hitch on the canoes. You know

973
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: this canoe that no one goes on.

974
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, hey, let's let's go on a canoe, right.

975
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: To go fishing.

976
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do that. It's

977
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 4: interesting too, Like even how like even the design of

978
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 4: I didn't realize there are certain parts of the park

979
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: that are like sort of acknowledging rivers of excrement, which

980
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: I did not know.

981
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: This is alleged, alleged, I haven't.

982
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 4: In Liberty Square, there's a there's an odd brown path

983
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: that is meant to hearken the sixteenth century when indoor

984
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: plumbing didn't exist and represent the river of excrement that

985
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: would have been flowing when people emptied their chamber pots.

986
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: So they're like, I don't know if like this is

987
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: what they're trying to do, Like it's supposed to look

988
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 4: like an odd path, but like people with a historic lens,

989
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 4: like that kind of looks like uh back in the

990
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 4: day when people just dump their pooh and p out

991
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: the middle of the street and created a little sewage river. Yeah.

992
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, the imagineers are really sick.

993
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh you sick fucks. But yeah, I think to your point,

994
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: like one clinical psychologist explanation behind like public defication includes

995
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: anxiety and I think you know, kids getting ready to

996
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: go on a ride or even like adults. I saw

997
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: some like pretty wild shit happened like as an adult

998
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: got to the front of like the longest line I

999
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: waited in when I was at disney World was like

1000
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: the ratitudey ride, and like there was an adult who

1001
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: like wanted their ride to go like exactly the way

1002
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: they had envisioned it, and so they didn't want to

1003
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: ride with anybody else next to them, and the people

1004
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: had to like kick them off the ride because they

1005
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: were like fighting with them. It was like very very sad. Yeah,

1006
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: but it's just like too much.

1007
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 6: People truly snapped, and you just also have to imagine

1008
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 6: like the the amount of people going through Disneyland, like

1009
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 6: on any given dal, Like their crowd control is so

1010
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 6: good that you don't even really can't even comprehend how

1011
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 6: many people are actually around you, and.

1012
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 5: So just statistically, like some of those people are going

1013
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: to have.

1014
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: A tummy ache, right, Yeah.

1015
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's also too it's kind of like,

1016
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, I get the anxiety part because it's so

1017
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: fucking expensive to go to Disneyland disney World, and if

1018
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: you don't live in Florida or California, like that's an expense.

1019
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 4: People save a lot of fucking money to take their

1020
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: family to go have this experience, and I can just

1021
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: see how that can mount to a point where yeah,

1022
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: maybe you know, your stomach goes goes haywire a little

1023
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: bit id to take a shit. But I mean it's

1024
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: like I feel like it's the same way, like right,

1025
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 4: like we were talking like earlier, like when the show

1026
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: first started. We're talking about how there's so many fights

1027
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: with parents at Chuck E Cheese and yeah, yeah, that's

1028
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: also because they serve alcohol. But a lot of people

1029
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 4: also point to the fact that a child's birthday couple

1030
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: with like maybe stressed finances and things like that can

1031
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: create like a high anxiety environment that can just go

1032
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: off at any second. And I've seen recently like clips

1033
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: of like people fucking scrapping at Disneyland too, And you're like,

1034
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: I can see how like all of that can come

1035
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: together where it's coming out in like people getting aggressive

1036
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: with each other or maybe just vers.

1037
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 6: Left, taking just a little poop, just squatting in line

1038
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 6: Pirate to the Caribbean, just like letting a few drop

1039
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 6: and then moving on your way, saying, Hey, it's my

1040
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 6: numbers up, I'm going to get on this ride.

1041
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the money I'm paying I should be allowed to

1042
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: take a shit in this line.

1043
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: Right, exactly right, And I get why too, Like that

1044
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 4: the person you're talking about, Jack, who knows how much

1045
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 4: money they spent, and like in their mind they're like no, no, no,

1046
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 4: your motherfuckers, oh me this, I'm going ratitude this fucking way,

1047
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 4: And you're like, well, we have like thousands of people

1048
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 4: in line here, like we can't really guarantee that. Yeah,

1049
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: people want to fucking lose it, but hey, I don't know,

1050
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: you know, And.

1051
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: Like the Disney like business plan has been like I

1052
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: remember we were talking within the last year that like

1053
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: park attendance was down, and then it was revealed that

1054
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: was actually part of their plan because they just like

1055
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: charged so much money that people would actually stop coming

1056
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: in such high numbers to the park, and like it

1057
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't the drop in attendance wouldn't offset the amount of

1058
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: money they were making, and it would make it like

1059
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: a better experience for the people there, except of course,

1060
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: for the people who can't afford it, and are like

1061
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: Jesus like having a breakdown because they're realizing like they're

1062
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on this moment because they've gone

1063
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: into debt to accomplish it.

1064
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 5: It's that's crazy.

1065
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 6: I mean I was a billionaire, Like I would just

1066
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 6: become a Club thirty three member and like pay whatever

1067
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 6: thirty thousand dollars a year just to have that kind

1068
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 6: of like no line experience.

1069
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's Club thirty three. That's real. That's a

1070
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: club at Disney that's like behind the scenes and it's

1071
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: invite only. Oh you get beat into it by Mickey

1072
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Mouse and Pluto.

1073
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: You have to name a bunch of cereals. Why they No,

1074
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 4: that's the Proud Boys when they're doing Sorry I get

1075
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 4: it mixed up sometimes.

1076
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: But yeah.

1077
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 4: I remember, like I had a friend who was like

1078
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 4: whose family was fully Disney brained as kids, and I

1079
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: remember they through somebody at their church they went to

1080
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 4: got the chance to go and eat at the restaurant

1081
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 4: and shit, and like, I like, for them, it was

1082
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: like ascending to the next level of existence. They're like

1083
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 4: we're there, dude, Like, you'll never see it. It couldn't

1084
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 4: take pictures and like there are there are some pictures

1085
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: on the internet, but apparently those like totally unauthorized because

1086
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: they're not there's not supposed to have images of behoveted club.

1087
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 5: I've been in I've done a few special events.

1088
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, and worth it, worth of thirty grand

1089
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 5: Of course it's amazing. There's a full bar, there's a buffet.

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Speaker 1: Ooh hey is it How close? Is how similar is

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Speaker 1: the vibe to the Eyes Wide Shot party?

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Speaker 5: Oh it's quite there's quite a bit of overlap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, single icy piano key the whole time you're walking in. Yes,

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Speaker 1: like doctor mass All right, that's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show

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Speaker 1: if you like. The show means the world to Miles.

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Speaker 1: He he needs your validation.

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Speaker 6: Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 10: Bye, suck sounding s