1 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you for tuning in. 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: We hope that you brought a fluffy coat or a 3 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: nice heavy blanket because this episode is going to be 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: cold cold war esque. Look, not all the intros are 5 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: going to be winners. Hi, I'm ben. You've never seen 6 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: those space blankets that they give the refugee children. I 7 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: have one in my car. I'm sorry, I really took 8 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: a dark turn there, but they look like the things 9 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: you put in your window to keep the sun from 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: heating up your tight leather seats. Yeah, those emergency blankets 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: are incredible and if you, uh, if you are someone 12 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: who routinely drives long distances, I highly recommend putting one 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: in your go bag, and also one of those things 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: you can use to break the glass from the inside 15 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: in case you ever go off a cliff or into 16 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: the ocean or a lake somebody of water. They and 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: make sure you get the kind that will let you 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: cut the seatbelt. Well, it's like an extra attachment, a 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: little razor almost right behind the hammer. But why are 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: we talking about being prepared? Why are we talking about 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: cold war stuff? Hey? Your null right? Oh? Yeah? Still me? 22 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: And who who is that handsome devil just outside the 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: booth on the ones and twos. So that good boy 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: out there, our boy Casey Pegram, Yes, super producer Casey Pegram. 25 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Remember that song by Data called I'm Going to Disneyland. Yeah? Actually, yeah, 26 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: it's like this is a part where it says, hitched 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the rat on a monkey's back, headed west into the black, 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to Disneyland. Bang dang dang to dang dang 29 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: dang diggod. He's not going to Disneyland. Nikita Kruschev. Yep. 30 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: We were going to uh tease it out a little 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: bit with the history of Disneyland, but let's let's just 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: get right to the heart of the matter. Disneyland is 33 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: an iconic American thing, right, It's one of the world's 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: most famous amusement parks, and people from across the planet 35 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: associated with the American dream, the iconic image of what 36 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: Americans do for fun. Right. You've you've probably met some 37 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: people from abroad who just assume you've been to Disneyland. 38 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: What do you do with Disneyland, Ben, Well, let's see 39 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: you can watch the fireworks for free that you have 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: seen that. I've been to Anahei and I did not 41 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: go to Disneyland, but those fireworks probably get real dull 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: to the people that live there, and they're just like, 43 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: oh look, now you would call I saw them. I 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: saw them too, because I was in the same car 45 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: driving us back from the beach. You're right, Ben, My 46 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I have a short memory when it comes to beach 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: related things. So with with this in mind, we also 48 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: have to look at the context of the Cold War, 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: and when we talk about the Cold War, we must 50 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: mention and explore the life and times of the Soviet 51 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: leader Nikita Khrushchev. Or is he's called in one of 52 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: those press releases of the time. Oh yeah, that's give 53 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: us newsreel. Well, I don't know, let's just hear it. 54 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: Salvia Premier Kruschof meets the Masters of movie on at 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: a studio luncheon on the twentieth Century Fox lot in Hollywood. 56 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm meeting at which Mr K gives himself quite a 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: build up. Yes, I don't know if this guy is 58 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: like smarter than us and all the rest of the 59 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: people I have ever heard pronounced his name, but he 60 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: says it a little funny yeah, And I wonder yeah, 61 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: And I wonder too if this is a matter of 62 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: the The vestige is of Transatlantic accent that was used 63 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: commonly back in the day for broadcast and radio. Maybe 64 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: it's secretly like a dig they're mispronouncing his name on purpose, 65 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: and maybe it's some nefarious attempt at propagandistic demeaning. Because 66 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: here's the thing. This clip that we just heard, obviously 67 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: was from Krushchev's tour of the United States in nineteen 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: fifty nine. Um, and you know, he did the kind 69 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: of touristy things you think you might do. He went 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: to New York City, went to Los Angeles and Des Moines. 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: What he went to Des Moines. It's a weird choice. 72 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: It's a very popular, very popular city. What's Americans? Man? Okay, 73 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: So he was touring the American dream. So he had 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: to see what it's like in the big cities, and 75 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: then he had to see what it's like in Des Moines, 76 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: which I'm sure it's lovely by the way. Oh yeah, 77 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: it's the capital and most populous city in Iowa. It's 78 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: the it's the big ten to Viowa. I think that's 79 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: where Slipknot the band is from. Believe it right, it's 80 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: definitely Iowa, right, And off air while we were prepping 81 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: for this episode, Casey brought up a fantastic parallel that 82 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: nicely compliments our Krushchev Khrushchev question. Uh, Casey, maybe could 83 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: you explain it for us on the Case? Yeah, I 84 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: was thinking if maybe, um, when they first started reporting 85 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: on this guy, they didn't have the pronunciation quite down yet, 86 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: which is kind of seems to have happened much more 87 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: recently in the news with Robert Muller or as he 88 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 1: was initially known, Robert Mueller. And it's kind of strange, 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: how like all the news coverage sort of shifted to 90 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: that updated pronunciation. Just something I kind of picked up on, 91 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and that's been Casey on the Case. I love that segment. 92 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: I love that guy, Yes, unreservedly. Someone who was a 93 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: little bit tougher to love, of course, was Nikita Krushchev. 94 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: What what do you say now? You want to talk 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about his life and times, his rise 96 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: to power pre U s tour. Have you seen the 97 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: Death of stalin the movie So Good? If anyone hasn't seen, 98 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: I highly recommend it to get a little info on 99 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: what led to Khrushchev gaining power. He was born in 100 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: April fifteenth of eighteen ninety four in a Russian village 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: called kilinovka Um, and he ended up joining the Bolsheviks, 102 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the Communist Bolsheviks, and rising in the ranks quite quickly 103 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: found his way into the inner circle of our man, 104 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: Joseph stalin Um, who ruled Soviet Russia with an iron fist. 105 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: I would platinum. This was neutron star of the fist, 106 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: massive pressure. In fact, the death of Stalin, the historical occurrence, 107 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: not just the film, could be its own episode because 108 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: it is tragically ridiculous, tragically in the movie really leans 109 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: on that. It's this incredible director, satirist Armando Nucci, who 110 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: was responsible for the show Veep, and he also did 111 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: another show that was similarly satirical and political called The 112 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: Thick of It that aired on British television. But this 113 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: film Death of Stalin, it uses the absurdity that you 114 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: might see in something like Curb Your Enthusiasm, This kind 115 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: of like slapstick, almost just cartoonish buffoonery of the jockeyings 116 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: of these various members of Stalin's inner circle two one 117 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: up each other and get the upper hand after the 118 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: leader dies, and in the end Kruschev, who's played by 119 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: Steve Bushemy, who doesn't put on a Russian accident. That's 120 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: part of the joy of the movie too, And they 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: all use their own voices. And your first question whenever 122 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: you're kind of plating scene the film is, is Steve 123 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Bushemy in it? So this has the seal of and 124 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: he plays Kruschev and it's he plays it so I 125 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: don't know what the words. It's like, he's he's got that. 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: He's got that Steve Bushemy skittering nervous energy, just like 127 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: you'd think. He's not Peter Lore very much. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 128 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: Peter Lory, like who does um, well, he did all 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: those monster movies, right, uh yeah. Anyway, he's got that 130 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: look with those those eyes. Yeah, dreamy, slash, sunken and large. 131 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: You know who else has that look? Is the protagonist 132 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: in um oh, what's that? Mr Robot? Yeah yeah, Romo 133 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Malick's playing playing Freddie Mercury and the New Queen biopic 134 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: it looks okay. Yeah, it was supposed to be Sasha 135 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Baron Cohen, but they left over creative differences, which is 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: a shame. I'd love to see that film. Well, I 137 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised that those creative differences remain, and they 138 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: wash over some of the uh more controversial parts of 139 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury store. But we're not talking about Freddie Mercury. 140 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: So before before we get to Kruschev, let's step back 141 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: to the death of Stalin and right before his life, 142 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: because we say that he ruled with with a massive 143 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: heavy hand, and we hear that often about different political leaders, 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: but in Stalin's case, this, uh, this is not an exaggeration, 145 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: and that is a very unfortunate truth. He was legendary 146 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: for not just killing people, but removing them from history, 147 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: having them scrubbed out of photographs. He was brutal, ruthless, relentless, 148 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: had no friends, only interest, and was also known to 149 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: regularly replace members of his inner circle, not if they 150 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: not because they had done anything or even tried to 151 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: do anything, but because he did not want someone consistently 152 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: being there, because he saw that as just a longer 153 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: length of time for them to undermine him or try 154 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: to grab powers. That kind of paranoia that everyone will 155 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: eventually betray me. And that's why this is the way 156 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: that it's depicted in this movie is so cool because 157 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: it's just this, no one trusts anybody, because that's the 158 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: precedent that's been set, and that's the attitude that kind 159 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: of pervaded throughout the whole thing. We're gonna talk a 160 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: little bit about his death. He died, as you said, 161 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: March in nineteen fifty three, on the first of March. 162 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: A few days beforehand, his staff found him semi conscious 163 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: on the bed room floor. He he had suffered a 164 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: cerebral hemorrhage. And even now after this very terrible, difficult death, 165 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: people still suspect that he may have been murdered. So 166 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: keep this in mind when we talk about Kruschev, who, 167 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: as we established, does win this power struggle, Kruschev remains 168 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: a possible murder suspect. Everyone was suspect, right, like that was. 169 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's this as soon as someone realizes that 170 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: he is dead, there's this immediate rush to point fingers 171 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: anywhere else but at oneself and his inner circle. Right. 172 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think inspires or 173 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: informs the film the Death of Stalin is just how 174 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: terrified people were to disturb him while while he's dead. Uh, 175 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: they thought that he might still be alive, and that 176 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: they would encounter the death penalty for waking him from 177 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: his slumber that you know, turned out to be an 178 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: eternal slumber. And Kruschev, Kruschev who did succeed and become 179 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: the ruler in this chaotic why'd you call it sharade? Short, 180 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: this chaotic sharade and Khruschev becomes the first Secretary of 181 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: the Communist Party there in the USSR on the fourteenth 182 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: of September in nineteen fifty three, and then by ninety 183 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: eight March he moves up to become the chairman of 184 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: the Council of Ministers. And I believe he was already 185 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: the head of the Communist Party, the highest ranking official, 186 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: only six months after um the death of Stalin, and 187 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: then it was governed. The USSR was governed by a 188 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: collective um Many for for several years, and then he 189 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: became premier after George Malankov. That's right. Malankov was the 190 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: guy that was played by Jeffrey Tambor in the movie. 191 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: And he's sort of a patsy. The way he's been 192 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: portrayed in the movie is like he gets the top job, 193 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: but no one likes him, and he's kind of everyone 194 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: thinks he's sort of a buffoon. He likes to be 195 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: the one that's sort of the smiling face of the 196 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, the party, but behind the scenes he he's 197 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: portrayed as kind of an idiot. Right, And there's uh, 198 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: there's a huge geopolitical context to this as well, because 199 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: you'll notice we mentioned different dates. In the fifties, the 200 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: Cold War is in full swing between the U s 201 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: s R. And the United States, or I mean most 202 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: particularly through them. But then that also factors in some 203 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: forces they're friendly with the USS are some forces that 204 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: are historically friendly with the US. In this time, both 205 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: leaders of these countries are attempting to minimize the possibility 206 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: of a catastrophic atomic war ultimately, right, And that's when 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: we see things like the concept of mutually assured destruction, 208 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: of the idea that the only way to prevent nuclear 209 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: weapons being deployed is if your enemies and also retaliate, 210 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, and they know you can. So there's a 211 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: lot of propaganda that goes on. Kruschev is to this 212 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: day of the recipient of some misquotes. You know, that 213 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: history is kind of um exaggerated. What was the big 214 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Ben, what's called the shoe banging incident. 215 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: You you remember this one, right, Yeah, it's like when 216 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Bush got the shoe thrown at him, but kind of 217 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: in reverse. Oh, here's an episode idea, pitch. Tell us 218 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: what you think of this, folks, history's most important shoes 219 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: there that it could be like a new version of 220 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: weird people who built weird things, like if the shoes 221 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: that built a nation or or crushed or tore it down. Yeah. 222 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: So in UH nineteen this is just an outside of 223 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: chronology example. And the in nineteen sixty at the United 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Nations General Assembly UH in October, Kruschev pounded his shoe 225 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: in in public, protesting his speech by a delegate from 226 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: the Philippines, and then the story spread in a propagandistic 227 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: way and multiple versions proliferated. But this all goes to 228 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: show these were intense times and regardless of how you 229 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: feel about Kruschev and Nixon when go back to the fifties, UH, 230 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is that they were trying to, 231 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: at least on some levels, they were trying to prevent 232 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: a civilization leveling war, and they engaged in something that 233 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: ended up being called the Kitchen Debate. They sat down 234 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: with them and their interpreters and had what Corporate America 235 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: today would call a healthy conversation about their differing viewpoints. 236 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't about interior design. It was not it was 237 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: not about it was not about the advantages of an 238 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: island kitchen layout, nor was it about whether or not 239 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: to have a trash compactor in the White House. Instead, 240 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: it was it was about they're vastly different views of 241 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: which economic system was superior, capitalism and uh, this representative 242 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: democracy idea or communism and a more centralized economy. Kruschev, 243 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: like Nixon, being a man with a temper, had impassioned arguments, 244 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and it was actually it did take place in the kitchen. 245 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: It was in a model kitchen at the American National 246 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: Exhibition in Moscow. So it's like you and me getting 247 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: in a fight at an idea that's not too much 248 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: of a stretchman. Every time I go into an I KE, 249 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I go a little bit insane, the 250 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: way they trap you and those hedge mazes of tiny 251 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: furniture and accessories. You got to know the shortcut. I 252 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: know the shortcuts, man, but it still doesn't just it 253 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: it's it's so it hurts my brain and I always 254 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: find myself like this close to flying off the handle. 255 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love Ikeia flying off the 256 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: tiny Swedish ergonomic handle. There we go, There we go. 257 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: H There was a guy I can't remember where it was, 258 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: it was definitely in the States who, while as apartment 259 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: was being fixed, cracked to deal with his local Ikea 260 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: to live there. Did you hear about that? Yeah? I 261 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: wonder if you could pull that kind of scenario off 262 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: in an Ikea. I feel like he could hide under, 263 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, one of those little hideaway beds and yeah, 264 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, kind of stowaway and the Ikea. They have 265 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: a lot of cameras that in surprising places. But but 266 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: I guess all that has to do with today's episode 267 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: is mass surveillance. Right, So what's the outcome of this debate? 268 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: They're just verbally abusing each other. It did not come 269 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: to fisticuffs, and it appeared to have a good result, 270 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: thank god. What kind of result was that they agreed 271 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: that Kruschev, the leader of the Soviet Union, would visit 272 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the US. Mr Kruschev comes to Washington, right, and uh, 273 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: this comes about so to be clear, Richard Nixon was 274 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Vice prior ssident at this time when he was visiting Moscow. 275 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: It's not as if the president of the time visited Russia, 276 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: that would be Dwight Eisenhower. So President Eisenhower decided to 277 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: invite Krushchev kind of inspired by this kitchen debate talk 278 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: and also by some concerns about Berlin. Yeah for sure, 279 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: because it was also Kruschev. I believe that. Okay, the 280 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: building of the Berlin Wall. Yeah, tensions are high. So 281 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: what do you do when then with a diplomatic tour 282 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: like this, Benjamin well nol Jaman, you are immediately confronted 283 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: by a ton of considerations, first what we call today 284 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: the optics, right, uh, and then in both sides probably 285 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: have competing opinions about what should be depicted, because let's 286 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: go for show. I mean, let's be real, what else 287 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: is there to accomplish? You know? I even read like 288 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: he came back at the end for some very unproductive talks, 289 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: which I'm sure ultimately these kitchen debates didn't exactly set 290 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: the world on fire in terms of like, oh communism 291 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: is good or oh capitalism is good. It's like maybe 292 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: we just should hang out and not shoot missiles at 293 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, which is an excellent starting point. You know, Ben, 294 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: when you put it like that, that a is a 295 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: pretty good outcome. I don't know what I was saying, 296 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: but Ben considerations. Well, first off, wouldn't it have been amazing? 297 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: Wouldn't the world be such a different place if either 298 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: of them had persuaded the other one. I I just 299 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm interested in your idea because can you imagine Nixon 300 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: coming back to the US and saying, Guys, I got 301 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: in an argument in this model kitchen, and I'm convinced 302 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: we should be communist. That would be amazing. He probably 303 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been president, something that would have gone over 304 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: too well with these small business owners of America. So 305 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: we found this great article on the Smithsonian Nikita Kruschev 306 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: goes to Hollywood that examines some of the timeline and 307 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: some of some of the factors playing into this famous visit. 308 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: And we mentioned optics. But another huge, huge concern is security, 309 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: right Yeah, I mean they had like parades in Washington. 310 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: I think it was some of the biggest attendants of 311 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: any foreign dignitary centric parade, right because people wanted to 312 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: get a load of this guy, right, I mean, this 313 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: was like a he loomed large in the consciousness of 314 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: the American public being. You know, this big bad kind 315 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: of you know that was like pointing missiles at us. Yeah, 316 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: and he can cover and all that, right, Yeah, And 317 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: he was such a ham when he initially showed up there. Uh. 318 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: Eisenhower read a welcoming speech when Kruschev landed uh in 319 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: September nine, and during the whole time Kruschev was mugging 320 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: was it was like doing he was like like he 321 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: like was purse snatching. Yeah, that's when he's doing from 322 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: the stage, which was really weird. People just kept walking up. 323 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: That's tough, man. He's doing a Luckily, he's doing a 324 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: much friendlier version that he was. Like picture him. He's 325 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: a goofy looking dude. Yeah, oh yeah. He's got a 326 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: big old gap tooth and in this like kind of 327 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: funny double chin and and just like a odd shaped 328 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: face and his head shaved head, just very clownish kind 329 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: of look. And I'm not that's not passing judgment. And 330 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,719 Speaker 1: just look at the guy. He's got an odd vibe 331 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: and he uh, he embraced it, at least at this 332 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: part because while wild eyes now I was talking, he 333 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: was like waving his hat at people. He winked it 334 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: a little girl. Uh. He clearly wasn't paying too much 335 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: attention because remember he was he hears English through interpreters, right, 336 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: So he saw a butterfly go by and just had 337 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: to turn and like yes, yes in America, one reporter. 338 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: One reporter said he stole the show with the studied 339 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: nonchalance of an old vaudeville trooper. That you know, that's funny. 340 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this picture too, um from that news 341 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: clip we played earlier, and it's it's him posing next 342 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: to Ike, and I believe Eisenhower's wife and Eisenhower's just 343 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: stony faced with his arms across in front of him. 344 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: In Kruschev is just goofully grinning from ear to ear 345 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: because he gotta think, man, he was probably being cocky 346 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: about it, right, and it's like, I mean, we welcome 347 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: him with open arms, you know, gave him a parade. 348 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: He sort of probably felt like he had he got 349 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: one over on old Ike. Yeah, and then he also 350 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: he felt like this was an opportunity. We're speculating here, 351 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: but he also had to feel like this is an 352 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to show the people of the US that I'm 353 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: not this scary, monstrous entity. But he's you can find 354 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: these great annecdotes of different parts of his visit. But 355 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: we we also have to admit a lot of this 356 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: was calculated, right, it had to be. And he Uh, 357 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: there's this story where he went to a farm in 358 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: Maryland and he quote petted a pig and complained that 359 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: it was too fat, then grabbed a turkey and griped 360 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: that it was too small. So he's just like doing 361 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: live comedy. Bo I saw a thing about the turkey. 362 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: He said, Oh, in in Russia, we only like fat turkeys. 363 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: It's just like, what what do you know? What kind 364 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: of things say is that? And um, you know, all 365 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: seems to be going to plan. I still want to 366 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: know what he did in Des Moines, probably visited. I 367 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: get he was doing like the Heartland kind of situation, right, yeah. Yeah. 368 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: The Soviet embassy in the days leading up to the 369 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: visit and the week's leaning up to the visit, Uh, 370 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: they received hundreds of letters from small and large towns 371 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: in the US that we're inviting Khrushchev and the Soviet delegation. Uh. 372 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: They were saying, like, come to our county fair, it's 373 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: happening while you're in the country, you can you know, 374 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: you can enter a float, said the chairman of the 375 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: Minnesota Apple Festival. If you have an idea, let us know. 376 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: I gotta go. And I found a picture of him 377 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: on his visit to Des Moines where there's quite a 378 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: rotund fellow in front of him wearing some overalls and 379 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: you see Kruschev patting his belly, and the quote next 380 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: to the picture is, now that is it a real American? Okay, okay, 381 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the gonna be the Russian accent, I 382 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: think so. I think it's in good fun. It's in 383 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: good fun and in good faith, only good faith. Yere 384 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: so so he uh, he had all these these strange, 385 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: amazing dog and pony show moments. Yeah, hilarious encounters, I 386 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: would say. And what what I always think is missing 387 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: from this story and what I would love to learn 388 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: more about, is what that interpreter went through, because you know, 389 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: he had to basically be Kruschev's shadow, yeah, and translate 390 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: whatever wild cockamami stuff this guy was spouting off with 391 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: into something that sounded reasonable. Yes, that's true. Always wondered 392 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: about that. Do do uh interpreters ever editorialized. Do you 393 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: think they're ever given like special instructions from like higher 394 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 1: ups where it's like, look, don't translate exactly what this 395 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: crazy dude says. Try to soften the blow a little bit, 396 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: you know. You know, there are some pretty hard and 397 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: fast rules about that, depending on what type of interpretation 398 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: or what kind of sphere it occurs in. But one 399 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: of the weird things about these different languages is that 400 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: in some languages you can say things in a way 401 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: that you cannot in other languages. Right, So you might say, um, 402 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: tell them I want to make the deal, but it's 403 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: no walk in the park. And if they say that 404 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: in the other language, that doesn't make any sense. That's 405 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: so they have to say something else, might be something 406 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: like it. There's that's no butter on the blanket, right, 407 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what makes me think of 408 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: DOO is those people that do sign language and concerts. 409 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: Surely they're taking some liberties as well. That's just you know, 410 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot of information going by. I'm interested. I'm very 411 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: interested in that. You know. Uh, it may surprise some 412 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: people to learn that signing the signing languages also differ 413 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: by language. There's like we know a s l here 414 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: in the US, we know of it. Rather, but if 415 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: someone who is who can sign travels to China or 416 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: more appropriately Russia for this episode, uh, they might be 417 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: entirely adrift. See we haven't lost the plot. We're still 418 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: talking about Russia. Yeah, we got there. So let's let's 419 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 1: get to the heart of the matter. Everything's everything, at 420 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: least from Yeah, he's having a great time. Uh. He 421 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: goes to Hollywood and people are super excited to see him. 422 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: I believe that the he made a deal with twentieth 423 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: century Fox to watch the filming of a Broadway musical. Yeah. Yeah, 424 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: I think he did a studio tour, right, and the 425 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: president of twenty century Fox at the time, a man 426 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: named Spiro score Us Um, introduced him at a special 427 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: luncheon at Los Angeles Town Hall. Um, and this is 428 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: actually where a little static got into the mix. That's 429 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: kind of when things started going south. Um. Score us 430 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: made a made a bit of a joke about referencing 431 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: this line that Khrushchev had said in the past that 432 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union would bury capitalism, and he said something 433 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: to the effect of, in l a, we were not 434 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: interested in burying anyone but we would meet any challenge. 435 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: And then Krushchev, very mithed, responds, if you want to 436 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: go on with the arms race, very well, we accept 437 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: that challenge. As for the output of rockets while they 438 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: are on the assembly line, this is a most serious question. 439 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 1: It is one of life or death, ladies and gentlemen, 440 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: one of war and peace. That little dog and pony 441 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: show took a took a turn. Yeah, those dogs started biting, 442 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: but this and those ponies started kicking. I feel like 443 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: they just to complete that reference. Uh, but this is 444 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: just the beginning. As Billy Mays was wont to say, wait, 445 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: there's more. Khrushchev, who again, as I think we said earlier, 446 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: had a notorious temper. His anger went through the roof 447 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: when he learned that not only was Spiro Scorros part 448 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: of what he saw as a campaign to heckle him. 449 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: Did you see that part? He thought there was a 450 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: campaign to heckle him throughout the US, trying to make 451 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: a fool of me. I know, I am the one 452 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: who makes a fool of me. Oh is that a butterfly? 453 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: And uh right and uh. He became even more incensed 454 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: when he learned that of all the places he was going. 455 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Of all the places he had planned to visit, one 456 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: was off limits to him now, and that was Disneyland. 457 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: It's only the happiest place on Earth. Fireworks every night, guys, 458 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. So we could reasonably assume that maybe 459 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: he was being punished by not being lettered to Disneyland, Like, hey, 460 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: if you start threatening people, including everyone in our country, 461 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: with this idea of rockets bombarding citizens, then you can't 462 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: go to our funniest place. Well, now, you know, That's 463 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: that's what I thought. I figured it was like someone saying, no, man, 464 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: we don't want you here. Disney himself, even right who who, 465 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: as we know, was no fan of communism. He's a 466 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, tried and true capitalist all the way. Um. 467 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: But it turns out it was as much more likely 468 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: that the security you were talking about ben those considerations. 469 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: It was just too much to handle for a guy 470 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: like that to be able to go and have a 471 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: nice fun day at Disneyland without like shutting the whole 472 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: park down and devoting devoting the whole thing to him. 473 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: And you know, man, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, who 474 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: you are? You know, no one gets Disneyland for a day, right, 475 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: not even Walt, not even Walt, and we have a 476 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: we have a short clip here of Walt Disney actually 477 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: speaking about Kruschev's Kruschev was a guest of the government, 478 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: so I mean, we were ready to receive Kruschev. But 479 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: it so happened that the security problem here in Los 480 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Angeles because actually Disneyland is in another county, and the 481 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: chief of police, we can't blame him, he had, he 482 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: had quite a chore there to carry out. He just 483 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: was was a little worried about somebody maybe walking in 484 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: Disneyland with a shopping bag and what they might have 485 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: in it. She was never to know, you know, exactly. 486 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: We were ready for him. The press was ready. Both 487 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: the State Department security and the Soviet security had come 488 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: in case Disneyland and they were all set. I was already. 489 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: In fact, we've had a lot of dignitaries down there, 490 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: and he was one that Mrs Disney wanted to go 491 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: down and meet, was Kruschev. So she was disappointed he 492 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: didn't come. Well, it's it's certainly not ever an empty place, 493 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: so I can understand the security man concerned. I had 494 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: we had different shops places where we take pictures with 495 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: cru Chef, and I had one of my favorite where 496 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I lined up in front of my eight submarines. Will 497 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: be nice. I've been pointing to Mr Kruschef, saying, well, 498 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: Ms Cruscheff, here's my Disneyland submarine. It's the eighth, the 499 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: eighth larger submarine fleet in the world. So despite the 500 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: fact that you know there's clearly a lot of attention here, 501 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: the stated official concern is that it would be, as 502 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: we said, so difficult to protect him in these crowds. Right. 503 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: They said they could not guarantee his safety, which even 504 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: the wording of that take him the wrong way through 505 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: a translator, perhaps by a particularly cantankerous man who's used 506 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: to getting his way, almost sounds like a bit of 507 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: a threat. And we can't guarantee your safety. And he 508 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: exploded when he found out we have the quote, and 509 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: I say, I would very much like to go and 510 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: see Disneyland. But then we get into your security. They say, 511 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: then what must I do? Commit suicide? What is it? 512 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: Is there an epidemic of cholera there or something, or 513 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: if gangster has taken hold of the place, that can 514 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: destroy me. He left Los Angeles the next boarding in 515 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: a huff, no doubt, did you read who we can 516 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: kind of blame for planting this idea in his head? 517 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Who was it? Bob Hope? Apparently at that luncheon at 518 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: town Hall Um where the comment was made by the 519 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: twenty century Fox president, Bob Hope said that it was 520 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: a lovely place and then he really should check it out. 521 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Come on, Bob Hope, causing diplomatic incidents with your congeniality. 522 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: And then um, when uh Kruschev erupted this was he 523 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: was surrounded by these celebrities and Frank Sinatra apparently this 524 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: sounds comical, apparently leaned over to David Niven and a 525 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: lot of us was senat around to Kruschev's wife wanted 526 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: to that was that was more the thing and his child. Um. 527 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Sinatra leans over to David Niven and says, tell the 528 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: old broad you and I will take him down there 529 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: this afternoon. And so you know this, this is also 530 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: one of those things where the guy feels like his 531 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: social reputations on the line. If you're married, don't you 532 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: want your spouse and your kid to be happy? Well, 533 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: but the thing is the State Department did give the 534 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: thumbs up for his wife and daughter to go to Disneyland, 535 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: but he couldn't do it. And the way he's portrayed 536 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: in these stories, he sounds like a big man baby 537 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: where it's like I want to go to Disneyland and 538 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: if I can't go, you can't go, you know, like 539 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: he would deny his wife and child the joys of 540 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: the happiest place on earth. What a monster, right, and 541 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: is what we call, in today's common parlance not a 542 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: good look. That's an early two thousand's turn of phrase. 543 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: I guess. So when they say they cannot guarantee a 544 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: safety and therefore he cannot go, even though other members 545 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: of his entourage, including his family can, we have to 546 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: understand there's if not a credible threat to security, the 547 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: consequences of the Soviet premier dying in the US are huge. 548 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: Nobody dies at Disneyland, been right, I think, uh, it's 549 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: gonna do an episode on that a while back. Maybe 550 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: we could do it on this show. But I'm talking 551 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: about it's like that. Really, it's like a myth. I 552 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: guess it's a common it's it's a common Internet rumor. Yes, 553 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: But the thing is, if Khrushchev did somehow die, even 554 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: if it was a complete accident, even if he was 555 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: just walking down the street and had a heart attack, 556 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: even if he got decapitated on Space Mountain, we would, 557 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: as a country, dare I say, as a species, be 558 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: much much closer to some sort of international arms exchange. 559 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: It's a very tenuous situation. And that's why it's like, 560 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: it's weird because with politics like this, on the one hand, 561 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: you're like, it's all for show, But on the other hand, 562 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: it's life and death, whining and dining these leaders and 563 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, having successful meetings in a sense that they're 564 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: being respected and you know, given the five star treatment 565 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: or whatever. And so even this idea of him being 566 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: denied entry into Disneyland and him having a hissy fit, 567 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: that could have set off an international incident, right yeah, right, uh. 568 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: And they were already playing fast and loose because that 569 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: that musical they mentioned. Apparently Kruschev was not a fan 570 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: of that. Later he denounced it as pornographic exploitation. Didn't 571 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: he meant Shirley McClain wasn't she in it? Yeah? Because 572 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: in the in the musical, he saw Shirley McClain playing 573 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: a dancer. Uh, And Sinatra plays a French lawyer who 574 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: falls in love with McClain's character. But the creative, the 575 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: crazy thing is just to give you the way the 576 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: US later saw this. Uh. Wild E T. Buchan in 577 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: the State Department's Chief of Protocol later described the choice 578 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: of showing him this musical as quote the worst choice imaginable. Ah, yes, 579 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: the least good thing we could have done. First of all, 580 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: I cannot even begin to imagine Sinatra playing a French person. 581 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: It's like a did you ever see that John Wayne 582 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: film where he tries to play Genghis Khan? Oh? Yeah, 583 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 1: Oh that's real. It's a real uf moment goodness. Yeah, 584 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: it was in uh The Conqueror and uh yeah he 585 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: um they did that thing and it uh it didn't 586 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: seem that great when it came out, even even in 587 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six, and spoiler alert, it did not age. Well. Well, 588 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: let's see what the musical with Shirley McClain and Sinatra 589 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: was called, right, can can't? Ah? Yes, can can? I 590 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: have not seen it, but I I mean, I'm interested 591 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: now that I know that I get to see Frank 592 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: Sinatra playing a frenchman. It's also got Maurice Chevalier in it, 593 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: but no Steve Bushemi the last. So what happens after 594 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: he is denied entry into this American paradise on Earth? 595 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: He kind of goes, he kind of gets over it. 596 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: He eventually does get over and in the same trip 597 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: he makes his way, continues the rest of his itinerary, 598 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: and ends up back in Washington, whereas I said, they 599 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: had some very unproductive talks, has some unproductive talks. The 600 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: US and the Soviet relationship would continue to be very tense, 601 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: chilly chili, bring your space blanket, a bit frigid, uh 602 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: and fraught with problems, especially in the nineteen sixty and 603 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: sixty one You two planes, the spy aircraft, not planes 604 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: flown by Bono in the edge. They became the subject 605 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: of an international healthy conversation, and the Cold War would continue. 606 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: In October of nineteen sixty four, Kruschev uh retired from 607 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: his office due officially to advanced age and ill health. 608 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: Notice here, friends and neighbors, that I say officially, because 609 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: you see his request to retire was not voluntary, not 610 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: entirely voluntary on his part. Yeah, apparently he was on 611 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: vacation uh In in Georgia, not not in our Georgia, 612 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: the other Georgia Georgia. And he was called back Um 613 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: and they made him resign as not only as the 614 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: premier but also that illustrious post as the head of 615 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: the of the Communist Party. And he lived out the 616 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: remainder of his life working on a memoir Um and 617 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: he ultimately died of a heart attack in a deep depression. 618 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: He had a pension of five hundred roubles. A month 619 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: later they cut it the four oh Man insults injury. Yeah, 620 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: and it is a dogg eat dog world over there 621 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: in Soviet Russia at the Heights of power, right. Yeah, 622 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: he was a victim of a conspiracy and he never 623 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: got to Disneyland. Sad, but you can. You can, yeah, 624 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: if you got about five dollars to blow and and 625 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: the free time in the travel. But again, one of 626 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: my favorite things about it is you just have to 627 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: be in town to see those beautiful fireworks. I often 628 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: not to go because I was looking at the rides 629 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: and stuff and I'm like, these are all like kid rides. 630 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: But then i guess it's all about the design and 631 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: the experience. And I'm also not a fan of waiting 632 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: in lines if I can avoid it all. I don't 633 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: think anyone's a fan of waiting a lot, It's true, 634 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: but there's a there's a cost versus reward equation for me, 635 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, what's the line for? How 636 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: much do I want it? How long a line I'm 637 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: I willing to wait? In Disneyland, it seems like a 638 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: series of lines different. For me, roller coasters are a 639 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 1: tough sell. There's also a lot of corruption in disney 640 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: World and Disneyland. There was recently with the use of 641 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 1: different sorts of passes. Oh, you mean like bootlegging fast 642 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: passes or just like like legging fast passes, traveling with 643 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: someone who has a physical disability so that you can 644 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: jump in the line. For me, there's line mule. Yeah. 645 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: That for me, there's a huge cost benefit analysis that 646 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: makes roller coasters a tough sell, especially on crowded day, 647 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: because it's not just that you're waiting for forty five 648 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: minutes or an hour, is that you're waiting for something 649 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: that takes three minutes. Oh, totally, really good point. I 650 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: have season passes to six flags here in Georgia, and 651 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: um I will only go during the down season because 652 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: I went, like on the first day of summer with 653 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: my kid. We waited in line for an hour and 654 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: a half, got to the front of the line, and 655 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: the ride broke and we would broke us. Mentally, We're like, 656 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: we're going home. But thankfully we have season bass as 657 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't like we traveled, you know, across the country. 658 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: There question, speaking of things across the country and even 659 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,919 Speaker 1: across the world, it's a shame that Krucchev never got 660 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: to go to Disneyland. But I think it leads us 661 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: to an inspiring question. What's your favorite amusement park in 662 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: your part of the world, one that a lot of 663 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: people might not know of? For us here in Atlanta, 664 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: it's Six Flags over Georgia. Yeah. And what's the next 665 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: step for us diplomatically as far as amusement and parks 666 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: are concerned. Is it gonna be Kim Jong Lunn goes 667 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: to Magic Mountain? Yeah? You tell me. Is Vladimir Putin 668 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: gonna make it to Universal Studios? Finally see that Harry 669 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: Potter Land I keep hearing so much about. Let us 670 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: know on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, where you can find 671 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: us as ridiculous history. Also, as we always like to say, 672 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: check out our community page Ridiculous Historians. Yeah, we've got 673 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: some fun conversations there and little extra bits and Bob's 674 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: that you know, help give you richer ridiculous history experience. 675 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: And oh my goodness, last episode, we totally neglected to 676 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: do credits. So we're gonna do credits for two episodes 677 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: because last episode it's very important, very important. Because last episode, 678 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: the one about election rigging and drunken debauchery at the polls. Yeah, 679 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: it came to us courtesy of our researcher, Eve's Jeff 680 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: cod Eaves, Jeff Code. It was her first submission helping 681 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: us along on that one, and we wanted to We 682 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: were remiss in not thinking her during the actual episodes, 683 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: so we're trying to make up for that now. I'd 684 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: also like to point out that Eaves is a co 685 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: host on two other fantastic how stuff Work shows, Stuff 686 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: Mom Never Told You and Afropunk Solution Sessions, which Casey 687 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: I actually worked on in the very early days. Oh 688 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: and you toour that I did. That was a fun one. Um. 689 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: So check both of those out on Apple Podcasts or 690 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, and be sure to drop 691 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: us a nice review if you don't mind, just to 692 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: you know. It makes us feel good in our hearts 693 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: and it also supposedly helps the iTunes algorithm shove our 694 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: show into people's ears. And thanks to super producer Casey Pegram, 695 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: thanks to Alex Williams for composing the track, Thanks to 696 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: our research assistant Christopher hasci Otis who tipped us through 697 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: this strange story of the Cold War and Walt Disney, 698 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: and please join us next time when we go into 699 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: the interesting and potentially sorted past of the song Louie. 700 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: Louie by the Kingsman is going to be a rollicking 701 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: good time full of music and might just have a 702 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: special guest up with. We'll do our best have intelligible lyrics, 703 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: that's true. See you then,