1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Welcome in too, Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier, and today is a special show. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: Sorry Veterans Day week show. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: You all know how invested I am into the military 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: and our veterans, and today is the best guests I've 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: ever had, Coolest guests I've ever had, most amazing story 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: I have ever heard in my life. And I do 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: have to get a little housekeeping out of the way 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: here first. If you're like many people, you will be 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: surprised to learn that one in five adults in this 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: country experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: fail to receive the support they need. Carolin, Behavioral health 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: is doing something about it. They understand that behavioral health 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs and tandem 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Carol and behavioral Health raising the quality of life through 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: empathy and action. All right, Welcome in again to Unbreakable, 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: Special Veterans Day Podcast. 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: I never get guest starstruck or words are hard to 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: come by in the last I don't know, thirty years 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: of doing this and the career I've in except for 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: one time in my life. That's the other time I've 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: met these two people and don't know what I'm going 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: to do in justice introducing them. But folks, you want 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: to be on this journey with us because it's the 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: most incredible story of love, first, perseverance, courage, and so 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: many other adjectives that you all will come up with 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: along this journey. 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: I'm so grateful they're here with me. Let me lay 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: this out correctly. 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: Here. 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: There's two guests, and we've never done this before. 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: All right, Sushana Johnson, who's the first African American female 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: POW that America's ever had, and the marine that rescued 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: her in Iraq. 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: Kurnie Russell. Welcome both to Unbreakable. Were you kept secure 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: in the same place that you were being held there? 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 4: No another it was a schoolhouse or something like that. 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, we had h there was another platoon that was 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 5: tasked with like finding that area. And uh so once 45 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 5: we once we got them, you know, we once we 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 5: once we got them everybody secure, got them out to 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 5: the vehicles, and vehicles came up. We loaded them up 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 5: onto the LAVs that we were we were riding on, 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 5: and we just I remember it was like those things 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 5: go quick, like to my knowledge, there's still like one 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 5: of the fastest ground moving like vehicles in war, you know, 52 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 5: or you know, in combat theaters. So we loaded them 53 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 5: up and just haul das out of there, you know, 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 5: we had it was like, let's get them as far 55 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 5: away from that place as possible. To remember, everybody's on rooftops, 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 5: people are coming out. So I remember, we just got 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 5: them out of there and we brought them back to 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 5: a to an area that was already secured, and uh, 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 5: but it was still in the city. You know. It's 60 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 5: not like it's secure and there's fences around and things 61 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 5: like that. It's still kind of it's in the city. 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 5: And I remember, like we're told like, hey, like pretty 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 5: much form a human wall around them, you know, like 64 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 5: make them safe, make let them know we're protected. Remember 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 5: they don't have weapons to protect themselves at this point, 66 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: like we are their protections. So yeah, I remember that. 67 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: How long did you have to do that for? 68 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 5: You know, I can't remember like a time wise how 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: long it was. It seemed like a little while because 70 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 5: like like Shoshana was saying, like this call said to 71 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 5: be made, like hey, we got them, now send helicopters 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 5: so we can bring them back to kuwait, you know. 73 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 5: And so we went on the helicopters and uh, you 74 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: know kind of how small the world is is our 75 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 5: friend Elliott, he had got meta backed a few nights prior, 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 5: you know, he had had his night injury and you know, 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 5: things like that. So him and I had you know, 78 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: we went to schooling together. We were just as like 79 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: all the new guys, you stick together, right, So we 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: were like we were new together. And I remember hearing 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 5: that he had got hurt and nobody knew what was 82 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 5: going on. I didn't know if he was alive, if 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 5: he was dead. So when the helicopter came that there 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 5: was two helicopters, the one that we loaded up on. 85 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 5: I remember talking to like the crew chief in the 86 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 5: back and he was like, hey, you know, we were 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 5: just we just flew a metavac for you guys the 88 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 5: other night. I was like, hey, that's my friend Elliott. 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 5: He's like yeah. I was like, is he okay? Is 90 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 5: he alive. He's like, oh yeah, he's alive. He's gonna 91 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: make it. So that was when I found out that 92 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 5: Elliott was still alive. Was that flight back towards I 93 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 5: think we went into where that picture was taken behind her. 94 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 5: I want to say they were calling it like three 95 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 5: Rivers Air Base or something like that. But that ride there, 96 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 5: that's how I found out that Elliott was still alive. 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: Wow, the amazing Eliot RUI is how I met you. 98 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: Two incredible people. So pretty what point did you realize, 99 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: oh my god, we just saved American pews. 100 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 5: I don't think it really hit me until we were 101 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 5: down in Kuwait. You know, it was you know, mentally, 102 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 5: it was like kind of we're going out. It's like 103 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: we're working. You know, you're going out, you're working, you know. 104 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 5: And then then it really hit me until we were 105 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 5: down in Kuwait and I was like, whoa, like you know, 106 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 5: and if you know, I remember telling I don't know 107 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 5: if Shashaana remembers, but we had heard somebody had asked 108 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 5: about Jessica Jesse, like hey, where's Jessica or something like that. 109 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 5: I remember Jessica Lynch Yeah, and I remember telling them like, 110 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 5: oh they rescued her, like I think it was a 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 5: few days prior, a week or so prior, and I 112 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 5: remember they started hugging and crying. They're like, Jessica's alive. 113 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 5: Jessica's alive. And I was asked about somebody else and 114 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 5: I didn't know, and I was like, I don't know, 115 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: I forget, I can't remember who. I just remember hearing Jessica, 116 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: and they asked another name, and I didn't hear anything 117 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 5: about that other person, so I imagine that they didn't make it. 118 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 5: So I didn't say anything. I didn't know. 119 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: At what point did you realize, man, like give yourself 120 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: almost disgrace of like, oh my god, we just did. 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: If you're going to sign up for the military, right, 122 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: and yeah, you're gonna do the greatest that you could do. 123 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: This is it? 124 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 5: And you yeah, you know that didn't hit me until, 125 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 5: like I said, so, you know, Shashawana had mentioned that 126 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 5: she had I think you mentioned you had a niece 127 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 5: that you may not have met if the rescue didn't 128 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: go down. So my girlfriend at the time, my wife 129 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 5: now been married twenty years, but she was pregnant with 130 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: our first daughter. And I remember like on the ship 131 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 5: ride going over, you get mail, you know, and one 132 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 5: of the last you know, I didn't know if I 133 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 5: was having a boy or a girl. We were still 134 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 5: trying to talking about names through mail and that takes forever. 135 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 5: So I remember going back, like when we got to Kuwait, 136 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 5: I was able to use the phone. We're in, like 137 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 5: we brought to this hospital, Shshana and I. We went 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: to a little medical fields off site first before we 139 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 5: went to the bigger hospital, but you know, I got 140 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 5: to use a phone, and the first phone call I 141 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 5: made was to my girlfriend. Finally I was like, Hey, 142 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: we having a boy or a girl? And she's like, 143 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: we're having a girl. And I was like okay, you know, 144 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 5: and I was like kind of relieve, like okay, now 145 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 5: when I go back and something happens, at least I 146 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 5: know that I was having you know, I had a daughter. 147 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: But then I remember she was like, hey, you know, 148 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: asking me questions and I'm like, I don't know, like 149 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 5: you may hear some stuff on TV, you know, like 150 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: that was that was us. It's all we can really 151 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 5: say right now. And I think that's when it really 152 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 5: clicked me, like whoa, Like that's like she's gonna be 153 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 5: hearing about that on TV. I'm having a girl. Oh yeah, 154 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 5: I'm having a girl. 155 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: You know, she's talking to a hero. That's unbelievable. Go 156 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: ahead for trying. 157 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I would say, and not to know that 158 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 6: she would probably see this the next day. 159 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly her. Yeah my mom. 160 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that picture of you rescuing her the next day, 161 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: that got circular here in the States the next day. 162 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 5: It was probably not too long after. Oh my god, 163 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: yeah that picture was it? 164 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: Okay? 165 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, because that picture was taken at three Rivers Air Base. 166 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 5: I think they were calling it three Rivers Air Base 167 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 5: and U yeah, we were loaded up onto a seat 168 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 5: getting ready to load up on the sea one thirty 169 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 5: that flew us down, Yes, yeah, and. 170 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: The reporters were all in my face. 171 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: They were all in yeah. So that picture, yeah, I pushed, 172 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 5: I pushed somebody back, and I honestly that's probably how 173 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 5: they snapped it. So it looks like, yes, you know, 174 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 5: a live action shot of like the fresh rescue, but 175 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: that it had been a few hours so when you got. 176 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: You guys, okay, how long are you all together for? 177 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: And also I think the thing that kind of struck 178 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: me the most two last time I talked to you too, 179 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: as we think, okay, you rescue someone and you guys 180 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: all fly back to the States and that's it. But 181 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: that wasn't the case, like you, you went back and 182 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: continue to serve Cardie. 183 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 4: Right. 184 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, So we we knew how we were getting, like 185 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: Castro and I. We knew how we were getting, but 186 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 5: we really didn't know how we were getting down to Quay. 187 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 5: We were just told, hey, don't turn them over to 188 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 5: anybody except I think it was like a kernel or above, 189 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 5: and you just don't see colonels walking around everywhere like 190 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: oh six is you know, officers. I'll see a lance 191 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 5: corporal or a sergeant or you know, or like a 192 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 5: lower level you know, E three or something like that. 193 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 5: You see them, they're everywhere, but like an O six, 194 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 5: a kernel or above is like where the hell are 195 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 5: we going to find a kernel or above? 196 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: You know? 197 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 5: And luckily the hospital we went to I think was 198 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 5: ran by a colonel because I remember they're like, hey, 199 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 5: you know, okay, so we'll take up from here, and 200 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 5: I'm like, We're like, no, they're not leaving our site 201 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: until there's a kernel here that's going to take them, 202 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 5: like take possession pretty much and you know, responsibility, and 203 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 5: they're like, we can find one, you know, we can 204 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 5: get one in the hospital. Like Colonel comes out. I 205 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 5: think it's an army colonel. He's like, I think I 206 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: can take them, Like all right, go ahead. You know. 207 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 5: That was when we that was no, that was when 208 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 5: we went to take a shower and clean up. 209 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: You know. 210 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 5: I remember it was like, you know, we had live 211 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 5: grenades and all that stuff, and they didn't want that 212 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 5: in the hospital anywhere. And we're like, we're not giving 213 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 5: these up. You know. They remember, they're like these can't 214 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 5: come in the room, and we're like, well they're not 215 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 5: going to go in the room without us, and we 216 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 5: need like our kid, like that's our that's all we knew. 217 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 5: You know, that's our safety. Bo. We're not giving it up. 218 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: And there was a little back and forth. They let 219 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: us like escort them around places with you know, with 220 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 5: our you know guns and ammo and you know grenades, 221 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 5: and then finally somebody was like, hey, look we have 222 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 5: a safe room. You guys can keep these if you 223 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: want to take a shower. So yeah, we saw each 224 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 5: other after that, just prior to when Castro and I 225 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 5: eventually found our way back up north. We basically hitchhiked 226 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: our way back into Iraq. That sounds weird. Yeah, so 227 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 5: we uh, we wanted to get back up with our unit. 228 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: You know, we wanted to We wanted to continue on. 229 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: Back up, back up, hold on. Do you know this part? 230 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: No, I didn't know how they got back up there. 231 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 6: I had, but I remember the part about them having 232 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 6: all their AMMO and stuff like that, and they were like, oh, 233 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 6: you can't bring that this part. 234 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: And I remember the rest of us were like, well, 235 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: we're not going. We're going with them, and they were like, 236 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: but no, they can't come. And I said, well, y'all, 237 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: I remember we're thinking, well, what are y'all gonna do? 238 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 6: Because we moved with them, They're not going without the stuff. 239 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 6: I mean, there was even a part where they were 240 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 6: like moving me and I was like, okay, but where's 241 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: my marine. 242 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: I don't know where he was. I don't know what 243 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: he went to do. And I was like, but where's 244 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 4: my marine? I can't go. I mean, because at that 245 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: point that was my security. 246 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 6: I knew I was gonna be okay because they were 247 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. 248 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: So it took a while, you know, even to for 249 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: them to eat me and say you're gonna be okay, 250 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 4: we got you, we got you. I was like looking 251 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 4: around constantly. 252 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: Where's there a proper goodbye from you too? 253 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 5: Not really? No, yeah, I think I think the following morning. 254 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 5: I think following morning we would like check the make 255 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 5: sure they were all right, and then Castro and I 256 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 5: pretty much hit hiped our way back up. 257 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was it. 258 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: So you didn't there's no goodbye, no nothing, did you? 259 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's like this and how much longer 260 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: did you end up fighting over there in Iraq before 261 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: you end up coming home? 262 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 5: So when we left the hospital, I say we hitchhiped 263 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 5: our way back. It sounds weird, but that's literally how 264 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: it was. There was no plan for us to get 265 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 5: back up to our unit. So we went out and 266 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 5: we saw like a convoy and like, hey, you guys 267 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 5: going to Iraq. And because we were in you know, 268 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 5: we were in Kuwait, we're like, hey, you guys going north. 269 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 5: You guys are going to Iraq. And they're like, well 270 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 5: we're going here, which they were going into Iraq. So 271 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 5: we're like, all right, we'll ride with you guys. You know, 272 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 5: you guys have brooms. So we rode with a some 273 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 5: army unit. Then we got up to I forget, you know, 274 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 5: into Iraq where we were. 275 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: Then we were. 276 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: Kind of like hanging around and like, hey, are you 277 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 5: guys going north? Like that was a question, are you 278 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 5: guys going north? And they're like yeah, like you guys 279 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: have room for two, like yep, So we hopped in 280 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 5: we just can We kept doing that. We got into 281 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: bag Dad. It took us a little while. You know, 282 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 5: we got up into Bagdad and uh, I remember we 283 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 5: went to some you know, big like command operations center 284 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 5: that had been established, and you know, we're just walking 285 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 5: around there like you know, going in like hey, like 286 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 5: where's where's Third La R you know, Delta Company, And 287 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 5: they're like, oh, they're over here, and they're like, oh hey, 288 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 5: look this is who we are. We're trying to get 289 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 5: to them and they're like okay, Like there's a convoy 290 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 5: that's leaving at this time. So we just kept convoy 291 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: hopping until we eventually got up to where they were 292 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 5: and walked back up and you guys in your unity 293 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 5: are like, what the hell are you guys doing here? Like, oh, 294 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 5: we're back you know. 295 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 3: How long did you stay? Like again, how long were 296 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: you still in? 297 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 5: So we left when? 298 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: Uh? 299 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we left when you know what once once 300 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 5: you know, it was declared that you know, major combat 301 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 5: operations were over and units were starting to retrograde back 302 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 5: down to Kuwait. So we were there. Let me see 303 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: what was it? I think maybe we got back to 304 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 5: the States in June. 305 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: Correct, we're still talking a few months you're still over. 306 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: There, so yeah, are you does anybody tell you what's 307 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: happened in the Shoshana? Is there any way for you 308 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: to still be in touch or is that it like 309 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: you rescue Shoshana and these people and that's it last 310 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: you guys have any contact? 311 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: Which is y? Yeah? 312 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 5: That was you mind you like, there was you know, 313 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 5: this was one of years ago. You know there was 314 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 5: you know, social media and all that wasn't as big 315 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: as it is now and I didn't think it exists back then, 316 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 5: and uh yeah, you know, yeah it was. You know, 317 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 5: we got back and it was business as usual for us. 318 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: You know, I want to say a few weeks later, 319 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: a month or so later, I was I don't know 320 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: if you're if you've ever seen the movie Apocalypse now 321 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 5: or no, the Charlie Sheen platoon where he's sturring the ship, 322 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 5: you know, burning the ship. That that was me, you know. 323 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 5: Shortly after that back to the back doing the low 324 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 5: man on the totem poll jobs. 325 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: There's no. 326 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: Like the aumility is incredibley. 327 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 6: Because I remember they was there was when the two pilots, 328 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 6: I think they'd gone. It was it twenty nine poems 329 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 6: and saw y'all and everything like that, and I remember 330 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 6: that happening and we found out afterwards, okay, we were 331 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 6: you know, they were from Fort Hood. We were list 332 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 6: and I was like, god, you know, I was pissed 333 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 6: because they went, they were. 334 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: Able to do that. 335 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 6: And then I was like, well, we would have went 336 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 6: if y'all had said something. 337 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 4: If y'all had you know, we would have liked to 338 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: be there. But you know, sometimes when when when they're 339 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 4: doing their. 340 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 6: Little stuff, they don't think through I don't think it 341 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 6: was there trying to command who arranged that, So they're 342 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 6: thinking of their. 343 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: Guys and getting this done, and they. 344 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 6: Didn't think of us, you know, wanting to be a 345 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 6: part of that, because you know it was we would 346 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 6: have loved and I and I say we, I think 347 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 6: every single one of us would have been loved to 348 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 6: keep contact from the moment of the rescue. 349 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 4: But over time we've gotten. 350 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 6: In contact with one and two and three and four 351 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 6: and kept you know, picking up more information and staying 352 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 6: in contact with this person and that person. 353 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's really hard because it brings back a lot 354 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: of memories that's necessarily good. 355 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 6: But I always try my best, Like I said, Clarity, 356 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 6: and I keeping contact Miller, and I keep in contact 357 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 6: a couple of the guys from the Hewitt crew humans 358 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 6: I don't know how. Yeah, keeping contact every once in 359 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: a while, Kurty, but I still haven't seen you in person. 360 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 6: I'd gone to two of their reunions. They had one 361 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 6: in Vegas, they had one Virginia or somewhere else, and 362 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 6: everything like that. And I always tried to say, because 363 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 6: I'll say it till day I die, y'all are heroes. 364 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 6: What y'all did for me, I can't imagine. And the 365 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 6: realization is we were rescued in Samara, which was right 366 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 6: side right outside of Tokrit. 367 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: And we know that they were moving us there. We're 368 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: not stupid. 369 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 6: We know once we found out where we were, you know, 370 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 6: after the rescue, and how close it was to create 371 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 6: We knew that that was the mission to get us 372 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 6: to Saddam's hometown, and we don't know if we would 373 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 6: have made it if we got that far. 374 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 5: So to give you a little backstory to Jay, she 375 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 5: had mentioned the two pilots. So the two there was 376 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 5: two Apache longbow pilots that were shot down that joined 377 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: them in captivity, so they weren't. So there was five 378 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 5: that were with you, Shoshana, right, and then the two 379 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: the two Apache longbow pilots that got so it was 380 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 5: an Apache got shot down with two pilots on boarder, 381 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 5: you know, and so they had linked up with them, 382 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 5: so that would. 383 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So Shirshawanna, when you see Purnier, so 384 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 2: he's the one whose arm you grant coming out of there, 385 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: you see him now here, what goes to your mind? 386 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: Joy? It is really a lot of joy because I 387 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: think of that day and what he did for me, 388 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: and you know, I keep on saying a grown man. 389 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 4: In my head, he's still the eighteen year old. 390 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 6: He's he's a grown man with two kids, I mean, 391 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 6: and your daughter's what twenty now nineteen? 392 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I have a twenty year old and a 393 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: three year old. 394 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 4: Oh open the Lord. 395 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was I was a baby having a baby, 396 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 5: and then kind of you know, my wife and I 397 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 5: for years had talked about, hey, like are we going 398 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 5: to have another kid? And we waited, you know, seventeen 399 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: years later to have another kid. 400 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: So pretty well, So Shaana, like what what do you think, 401 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: Like what what kind of grace. 402 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: And love can you give yourself from seeing her and 403 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: knowing what you've. 404 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: Done, you know what? They just like seeing her, Like, 405 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 5: so this is the third time that I've seen her, 406 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 5: but like every time I'm just so like I'm thankful 407 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 5: that she like she's here, you know, like I'm glad 408 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 5: that we were there, you know, and we were able 409 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 5: to do that. And I'm like I see her and 410 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 5: it's like I'm like it's it's exciting seeing you and 411 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 5: like you're doing well and you know, everything's good, you know, 412 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 5: Like I'm so glad I was able to be a 413 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 5: part of that. And yeah, just like it's you know, 414 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: I've seen pictures of her and it's like every time 415 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 5: it like it's almost like I'm proud of her, you know, 416 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 5: like sounds weird, It's like I'm proud, you know, Like 417 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 5: what she's accomplished and she's she's doing well. 418 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 6: You know, I'm here, I'm here thankfully and thanks to you. 419 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: You know, it's just so surreal. 420 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 6: I mean, there are times when I think that that 421 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 6: really happened to me, and that I mean the whole experience. 422 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: But then I was like, man, they came and broke 423 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: down the damn door. They came and broke down the 424 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: damn door. 425 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: That's a different love right there. 426 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I came and broke down the damn door. 427 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 6: And you know what, as a black woman, sometimes history 428 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 6: doesn't treat us well, you know, in history and stuff 429 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 6: like that. But I'll never forget they came and broke 430 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 6: down the damn door for me. You know, they came 431 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 6: and broke down the damn door for me. 432 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 4: So it means a. 433 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 6: Lot, and it just it shows that as brothers and sisters, 434 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 6: you know that put on a uniform, we don't forget 435 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 6: each other. 436 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 4: No matter what we look like, we don't forget each other. 437 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 6: We always try to break everybody home, you know before 438 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 6: that's a special bond. That's a special bond. And I 439 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 6: am proof of that. They didn't leave me behind, they 440 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 6: didn't forget me. I've had the pleasure to meet many 441 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 6: veterans that were in serving at the same. 442 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 4: Time, and they were like, man, we hit a city, 443 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 4: we you know, you know, we looked, you know. 444 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 6: And it wasn't just the Special Forces or Justice it 445 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 6: was every day men and women in uniform talking about 446 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 6: when we hit that city, we looked because we knew 447 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 6: that you were still out there. 448 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: And that gives you a comfort to know that you know, 449 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: I wasn't being left behind. They were constantly looking for me, constantly. 450 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: I want everybody at home to hear this, and here 451 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: in Veteran's Day weekend. 452 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: I want you, when you meet someone who served, don't 453 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: just walk up and say, hey, thank you for your service. 454 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: I really get them to know it, understand it, feel it, 455 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: and really make them understand like how much we appreciate 456 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: you making us feel like we're worthy for fighting for 457 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: and for protecting. 458 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: And that's what you both have done. This is incredible, Kurtie. 459 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: Before I let you guys go, have you been able 460 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: to I was talking this is what I told your 461 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: guy Eliot, all right, because Elliott afterwards had a difficulty 462 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: after his military was over because of his injuries. 463 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, Eliott, you need to look at 464 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: everybody and. 465 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: Don't look down, don't even look us in the eye. 466 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: Look a little bit above us, because you're different. Everything 467 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: you've done, you're different than the rest of us. You 468 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: were up here. Give yourself that love and compassion to 469 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: know that you're different than everybody else out there in 470 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: a great way. 471 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: Pardy, Have you been able. 472 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: To love yourself up for that and know like, oh 473 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: my god, what I did here for someone else? 474 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, different? But you know, back to the whole 475 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 5: mental health, Uh, you know, it's when you do things 476 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 5: like that or you know, my experience is, you know, everybody, 477 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: you know, we went through the highs and the lows, 478 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 5: you know, and when we came back off that deployment, 479 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 5: it was walking around our chests puffed out and feeling 480 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 5: like we were andre the giant and you know, but 481 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 5: then you've kind of you know that that that fast 482 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: paced it's not there anymore. So you know, that's when 483 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: you start hearing about you know, PTSD things like that. 484 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 5: And you know, there was times where you know, we 485 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 5: were drinking every day. You know, that's kind of how 486 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 5: we coped with it coming off that deployment until we 487 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 5: got back into the next deployment cycle and went back 488 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 5: and deployed again. And then you come back off that, 489 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: you know, second trip to afghanist or I'm sorry, second 490 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 5: trip to Iraq, and you know, you're you're dealing with 491 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 5: your mental health the same way you did before, which 492 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 5: is drinking and things like that, and you know, so 493 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: it kind of took me a while to realize and process, 494 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 5: you know, how to handle things, and you know, even 495 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 5: you know, when you look back on what we did, 496 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 5: it's like we did something so great, you know, but 497 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 5: we came home and we suffered like every like you know, 498 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 5: like ninety whatever percent of the other guys do that 499 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 5: come home. So, you know, my biggest takeaway from that 500 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 5: is like, I know what I went through, and I 501 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 5: was on the other side of what Sshana went through. 502 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 5: So it's like I can't even imagine the trauma, the 503 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: mental health trauma that they may have gone through, you know. 504 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 5: To me, I think that's a bigger piece that needs 505 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: to be talked about. 506 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: So Shamas, it's a lot some days. It's a lot. 507 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 4: Some days. I think people assume that you come home 508 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: and then you're just you're home, you're good and everything, 509 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: and it's not that easy. 510 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 6: I come from a very large military family. My dad 511 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 6: served in Desert Storm along with the aunt uncle. During 512 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 6: this conflict, I had a cousin marine who was in 513 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 6: country at the same time I was, And when I 514 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 6: went to a long stool, I passed my cousin. We 515 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 6: saw each other in the hospital. He came to see me. 516 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 6: By the time I hit us soil, he was in Iraq. 517 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 6: So this is what we do as a family. This 518 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 6: is our journey. And I have a lot of support 519 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 6: and a lot of people that understand what I'm going 520 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 6: through from dating back from Korean Korean War when we 521 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 6: first hit the United States as immigrants and started serving. 522 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 6: But yet I still struggle. Even with all that support, 523 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 6: even within family members that I know I can talk 524 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 6: to about combat and all that kind of stuff, I 525 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 6: still struggle. I've been hospitalized three times. 526 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: Wow, three times. 527 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 4: It's a lot to handle. 528 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: And then you know, I get extra attention, so that 529 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 6: puts a little pressure on me, you know, to be 530 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 6: a certain way and handle it a certain way. And 531 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 6: then they want to put these titles on you. You're this, 532 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 6: You're that, and every day you're just struggling to get 533 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 6: up out of bed. And you know, be normal and 534 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 6: things like that. It can be a lot, and there's 535 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 6: nothing wrong with saying I need help. There's nothing wrong 536 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 6: to say and I'm broken because you know, when it 537 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 6: comes down to it, there's a small percentage of the 538 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 6: population who was even willing to do the job. 539 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: Very small part of the population that was willing to 540 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: do the job. And if I'm willing to do the 541 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: job and I'm suffering, now I can say I need help. 542 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 4: And you know, this is a lot we have that. 543 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 6: We've earned that right to do that, and we need 544 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 6: to give each other room to do that. Sometimes we 545 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 6: can put more weight on each other veterans. I think 546 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 6: one of the reasons I do so well is because 547 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: of my family and the military background and the fact 548 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 6: that they're just a little crazy. It's a little little 549 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 6: out there to begin with. My hometown is very supportive, 550 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 6: but also I can reach. 551 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: Out to some of the other guys. Joseph Hudson. Hudson, 552 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 4: one of my fellow persons of Wars, lives here in Opasso. 553 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: Dave Williams, one of the pilots. He lived in No Passo. 554 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: Now he lives in what is Mexico with his wife Wow. 555 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I can reach out and get some help. 556 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 6: There are four female prison former prisoners of war a 557 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 6: living in the United States, and I can contact those 558 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 6: four women if I really need a female perspective. Jessica 559 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 6: and Melissa contact me regularly. They check up on me 560 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 6: and stuff like that. I check up on them. 561 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: So it's a support system. 562 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: And the biggest support always comes from your brothers and 563 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 6: sisters in arms. Your buddy to the left and the 564 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 6: buddy to the right that carried you through the fire. 565 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 6: Those are the ones understand more than anybody else in 566 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 6: the world. 567 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: Absolutely. To go back to what you were saying too, 568 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: Jay is like, you know, you hear you know, people 569 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 5: come up and say, hey, you know on Veterans Day, 570 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 5: thank you for your service, and you know that stuff. 571 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, I don't you know, you know, 572 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: obviously you thank them, but it's really hard to in 573 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: their shoes and what they've done. 574 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: You know. 575 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: I have some friends of mine that're like, oh, yeah, 576 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: you're you're a marine, you know this and that, like, 577 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 5: but you don't know what it took to do that, 578 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 5: or what it took to be here, or like, you know, 579 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 5: the mental health aspect, like you don't understand that where 580 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 5: you're just like, oh, yeah, you know, you can you know, 581 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: you know, for instance, you can go to Chili's and 582 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 5: get a free meal, like okay, but you don't know 583 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 5: really like the sacrifice you know, for not only myself, 584 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 5: you know, my family, things like that, you know, the 585 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 5: time away and all that stuff that it took to 586 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: quote unquote earn that free meal. 587 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: And look, us civilians, we don't know. 588 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: And that's what for us like, and I've talked a 589 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: lot of our veteran fans about this, give civilians grace too. Yes, well, 590 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know, right, but when we 591 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: do say to you, hey, thank you for your service, 592 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: and we do mean to give those people some love 593 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: and grace and allow that love, especially in these weeks 594 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: coming up here. 595 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: I always tell people like Veterans Day, man, this is 596 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: this is your super Bowl, this is what you should 597 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: be celebrating something about yourself. And you're ingrained and you're 598 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: training the military not to celebrate yourself and not to 599 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: you know, celebrate those moments, but you need to. You know, 600 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: that's your equity in life. It's these moments that you 601 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: find out who you really are. That's your equity in life. 602 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: It's not monetary equity. That's that pells in comparison. 603 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: To what you found out about yourself, to what Shoshana 604 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: found out about herself. You have to allow other people 605 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: to realize, Okay, they're not going to get that. Okay, 606 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: they're gonna love me up for it. I need to 607 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: start taking that and allow yourself that. 608 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: Praise because you did go through that. 609 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: You went through the blood and these tears and the 610 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: amount of pain that none of us could really ever imagine. 611 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: So allow yourself to get love them. 612 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, all right, man, Yeah. 613 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 4: It's hard. It's hard. You're right. We're trained not to 614 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 4: take up and. 615 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: That's the problem. Like you guys, I always say, if 616 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: you guys get out of the military. I was always 617 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, trying to help everybody. Like our biggest problem 618 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: is not feeling able to use what you went through. 619 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 2: Like Shashana. You want to talk about unbreakable, Oh my god, Like, 620 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: it's nobody more unbreakable I ever come across entire life. 621 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: I've been around super Bowl champion is, you know, fighter champions. Everything, 622 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: nobody comes close to what you've gone through, what you've 623 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: persevered and the level that you were on and you know, Kurnie, 624 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: this level of selflessness and drive. 625 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: It you have to go do this for somebody you 626 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: don't know. 627 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: It's a different level, and you all aren't able to 628 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: put that down in a form where you can say, Okay, 629 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: how does this equate to civilian life? But everybody else 630 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 2: is lying on their resumes, you know, when they come 631 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: out of college. You guys kind of dumbed down what 632 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: you've done. 633 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: And that really is the biggest problem. So that's especially 634 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: on this and on this veteran's day, do me affair 635 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: were here, both of you give. 636 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 2: Yourself more grace and compassion and realize, yeah, what we 637 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: went through is different than everybody else. 638 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: I'm different than everybody else, and that's good. And love 639 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: yourself up and hold yourself a little bit higher. 640 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: You do that for me absolutely, all Right? 641 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, you guys want to say 642 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: anything to each other again? 643 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: It's the third time you want to be How are 644 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: we going to make that happen? 645 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: Curry? 646 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 5: Are you? 647 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 6: Yeah? 648 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 5: No, I think we need to. I think you know, 649 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 5: I've thought about it for years. It's like, you know, 650 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 5: I would love for you to meet my family. Yeah, 651 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 5: My wife has heard, you know, she's heard the stories 652 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 5: and you know, not just from me, but the other 653 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 5: guys that were there, and uh, you know, I would 654 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 5: love for yeah, I would. I would love for that. 655 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 5: You know. I think they just got home right now 656 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: to bring them in when we stopped recording. 657 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: Okay, here's my commivment. I would like to make this 658 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: happen you both. I will cover it personally. Okay, I'll 659 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: do it. I will personally do it whatever takes to 660 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: get you to to meet your families, to meet whether 661 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: we fly Kearnie to Passo, Shoshana to Curry. 662 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: Where are you at? 663 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 5: I'm in California, Southern California? 664 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: Okay, southern California. How much othern California? Great Shoshana. 665 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: Can we fly you and your family out here to 666 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: meet them? 667 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 4: Let's do it? 668 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, that's my pledge, and I thank you for 669 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: you both. 670 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 5: Let's do yeah, yeah yeah, let's get the game back together. 671 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: Done. We're doing that. It'll be the best holiday we've 672 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: ever had. All right, all right, we were doing that 673 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: for the holidays. I love y'all. 674 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you joining me, Sashana. Thank you for 675 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: inspiring us all. You said something earlier too, you said 676 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: you were schoolized three times mental health. 677 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: How are you doing that? 678 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: I'm doing okay. 679 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 6: It's been, like I said, last couple of weeks, I have 680 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 6: been a little rough seeing that stuff. 681 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: Because so real in the Middle East, exactly what I 682 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: went through. 683 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 6: Reached out to my therapist, you know, taking my anti 684 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 6: good pressants. You know, I'm trying to take it easy. 685 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 6: I'm actually going to the cousin I passed in Germany 686 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 6: is getting married this weekend, so I'm going to his wedding. Actually, 687 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 6: it's gonna be like five of US veteran cousins get together, right, 688 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 6: So that's gonna be problems. We're gonna raise hell. 689 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm around sports teams all the time. 690 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: There's no better team in the US military. 691 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: So brother and sister, it's gonna be off the chain. 692 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: I know. 693 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 4: I know. He tried to warn his buddies. 694 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 6: My family come in, dude, and a bunch of them 695 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 6: are veterans and stuff. 696 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: So y'all get to be ready. Can't wait? I really 697 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 4: can't wait. 698 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: Hey, you also have my number now too, And look, 699 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing this, this this podcast to help people with 700 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: their mental health between the ears and one of my 701 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: big things. 702 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: You always have to be a service and you've got 703 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: to have a team. So now I'm part of your team. 704 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: You know that anytime the roommates in our head are 705 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: barking and you didn't hear, you need a text, whatever, 706 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: come me in. 707 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: I'm in your team. 708 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: I appreciate that chat. 709 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 4: Appreciate it, appreciate it. 710 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: I love you all so much. Thank you so much 711 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: for joining me here. We're gonna make this happen in person. 712 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 713 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: This is Unbreakable Mental Health Podcast with Jay Glazer, Kurnie Russell, 714 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: Sirshanna Johnson. 715 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Love y'all. Let's keep walking this walk.