WEBVTT - Part Two: What's New With Andrew Tate? 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:07.040 Also media, Oh boy, welcome to Behind the Bastards, a 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.160 podcast where tired people talk about a guy they hate, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.800 in this case Andrew Tate. How are we all doing today? 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.599 Everybody pull of energy? You just don't know, as the 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.759 kids say. I don't think the kids say that. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.439 Ready to go. Playoffs are about to start, Lakers and five, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:28.760 so we're good to go. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.960 Yeah, well that's good. Lakers in five sounds like a 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:34.480 positive development. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:41.720 I had a really enjoyable experience of texting Robert late 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.479 on Sunday when he was very intoxicated a picture of 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:49.080 the Labarbie that I've pur purchased, which is Lebron James Kendall, 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.760 and Robert like call me and go, Sophie, what is this? 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.560 And it's just beautiful is what it is? 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.600 And I was like, it makes me happy, That's what 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:01.680 it is. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.400 The amount of grown men like standing in line trying 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.720 to get this dolls just it's you can't make it. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.800 They made like a g I Joe, a m or 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.120 is it a is it a Barbie brand? 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.040 Now it's like it's a doll. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.360 Made a Lebron Kindle. Well he's really finally arrived. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.960 I guess yeah, it's sold out so fast, but I 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:24.920 was well, I was there, I did it. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.320 I'm gonna guess that's the lowest percentage of Barbie dolls 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:29.959 that have ever been bought by little girls. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.200 Probably probably true, probably true. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.759 But it's you know what, it made me happy for 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.160 like forty five minutes, and when I look at it, 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.760 all feel joy and like the world sucks. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.000 So yeah, yeah, joy sounds nice. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:46.640 Take the winds where we can get them. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.760 I remember joy that's been replaced with occasional sleep. Yeah. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.280 Speaking of things that bring me joy, this is not 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.440 one of them. Because today we're going to be talking 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.760 yet again about our friend Andrew Tait, who is not 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:00.840 our friend. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.320 But who is our friend is super residing producer Ian Johnson, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:05.360 who's here once again. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.400 Yeah, thanks for having me back. You can't wait to 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:09.240 hear more about the. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.000 Horrors Ian Johnson. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.040 You don't do that. Don't do that. No, No, Robert, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.520 I've had thirty five years of that. Please don't contribute. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.079 Yeah, none of that, man, it's it's I've been I 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.440 had a good I always love it when there's like 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.520 really really like stereotypically cheesy names in an action movie. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.680 And I just watched that very good movie Novakane starting 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.160 a Guy from the Boys about a dude who can't 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.640 feel pain, and it does a good job with it, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.639 portraying it both as like a disability and realistically showing 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.880 how he could use it, like to his advantage in 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.200 a fight. And it's like very cringey because you're constantly 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:49.200 watching this guy like permanently damage his body. But it's 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.680 a hoot. But they made the real character's name Nathan Kane, 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.200 which is like, okay, guys, oh that's a little Was 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:57.240 that necessary? 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:58.239 Did you have to? 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.000 I know it's going to that's going to come out 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.520 out in a pitch meeting, like, oh what if we 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.320 called him this? But you didn't need to. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:04.320 You didn't. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:05.080 You didn't need to. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 Most of the movies pretty grounded, which is kind of 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.880 what works about it. And then like that happens and 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.320 you're like, I don't know, guys. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.000 Come on, you're so close. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.280 There's also a scene where a bunch of bank robbers 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.440 come out with like a hostage and the cops like 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.760 put their guns down, and I'm like, this is this 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.239 this is the San Diego Police Department. You're telling me 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.600 they don't just empty their fucking rifles into that fucking 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:25.519 those people. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.320 I won't deal with the lawsuit. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.200 Later We'll watched the LAPD shoot up a trader Joe's 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.200 over a hostage situation and killing him. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:35.520 We don't need that shit here. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.320 Yeah, anyway, speaking of shit nobody needs, we're talking about 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.560 Andrew Tait and his digital empire, how it works. Today's 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:44.880 episodes are going to be based on a bunch of 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.360 subsequent reporting that was not available when we did our 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.280 first episodes, about how the war Room, which is his 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.480 very expensive premium service that costs about eight grand a 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.440 year to join, although that's actually the low end for 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.320 what this fucking thing costs to be a member of, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.160 and the real world, which is like cost fifty bucks 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.120 a month in the real world is you know, if 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.920 it's Toyota, the war Room is Lexus, that's the premium brand, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.120 and the real world is you know, the normal brand 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.560 that actually makes them the bulk of their money. So 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.960 we're gonna talk about how these work, how Tate has 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.280 weaponized them over the years, and what some of these 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.080 released chat logs have made clear about the operating culture. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:32.159 But first, that's the cold open. We're done, We're back 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.520 and Sophie and I are commenting on our same colored drinks. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.240 What's yours, mine's electrolyte. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.120 Water minds, some mix of BCAAs and water. Because this 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.760 is ostensibly a workout day that yeah, has been a 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.680 little bit of a shit show, but might as well 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:54.080 get whatever those chemicals are. People say they do something sensational. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.640 so the doctors say, speaking of things that do something. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.200 The war room and so the real world is is 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.000 kind of the core of Tate's business because it's got 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.440 between one hundred and fifty and two hundred thousand subscribers 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.239 at any given time. I think one hundred and seventy 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.560 k is the estimate you'll hear the most often. And 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.599 you've got that many people pay in fifty bucks a month. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.880 You're talking some serious money. Now, there's wide turnover on 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:21.000 that because fifty bucks a month isn't a massive upfront investment, right, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.200 people can afford to pay that and then back out later. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.080 There's a lot of people who are kind of interested 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.400 in them for a little while who will be and 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.960 so there's a lot of churn over the overall use 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.080 of this right, and the goal of the real world 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.040 broadly is both to make money and to funnel users 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.560 upward into the war Room, which is much more expensive, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.119 you know, and as a result harder to get into, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.680 but also lower turnover once people make that kind of 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:49.040 financial commitment. So both of these places we've known about 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.680 for a while. The real World was originally Hustler's University, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.359 which is kind of Tate's first big web platform that 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:58.560 kind of taught people how to pick up women and 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.280 run cam horing business. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.040 So to speak. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.719 And yeah, so we've known these places existed, but they 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.159 were kind of black boxes until in August of twenty 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.760 twenty three, a disgruntled I think this is a person 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.039 who would describe themselves as a rival of Tates, like 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:15.040 someone who saw dislikes what he's doing and wanted to 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.960 get into them. It's not clear to me how they 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.560 got access to the chat logs, but they get access 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.240 to internal chat logs from the war Room, which is 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.640 his digital inner circle, and they give them to the BBC, 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.440 and the BBC uses these to put together a documentary 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.800 in several articles. Their primary interest as reporters was in 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.599 laying out how the Tate brothers and their cohorts traffic 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.120 women and these logs identified forty five potential victims from 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.479 just the period of March twenty nineteen to April of 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:41.239 twenty twenty. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.200 Now, wow, I was just from one year. Yeah, that's crazy. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.240 And this is again there's maybe five hundred people in 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.600 the war room, and these are the people though, who 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.000 are much more successful in actually doing the thing Tait 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.120 is trying to train people how to do. Right, The 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.560 real world is filled with young men who have ambitions 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.880 to be small scale digital pimps, but don't really have 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:07.360 the skill or the commitment, so they primarily contribute by 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.360 paying classes that are supposed to teach them how to 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.520 do that shit. Whereas the war room is full of 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.400 people who are actually doing the kind of Andrew Tait stuff. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.480 So that's why they were able to Like there's photos 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.240 posted of texts, people post pictures of the women that 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.920 they're you know, trying to bring in and traffic, so 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.640 you kind of see, it's possible to actually collect data 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.960 on specific potential victims right through that. Now, the next year, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.920 November of twenty twenty four, a group of anonymous activists 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.280 managed to breach the real world, which is, you know, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.880 the larger platform and the cyber attack exposed the data 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.720 of some eight hundred thousand people who have used it 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.240 at some point or another. During the time about one 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.720 hundred and seventy thousand people were active, So you get 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.360 an idea of like the scale of this. And it's 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.520 also every time, every time these pieces of shit, It's 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.280 the same thing with those like Nazi leagues for a 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.200 while ago. Every time those pieces of shit create something 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.800 like this, it gets just absolutely blown up. And then 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.240 everybody's data gets leaked and you find out how many 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.440 of them work for the federal government or whatever. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.160 Right, right, familiar, yep. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.880 So both leaks are interesting for different reasons. But I 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.800 want to start with the real world because that, again 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.520 is kind of what funnels people's up. The site's ad 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.960 copy claims it as quote the world's most advanced financial 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.280 education platform, but it's also geared towards helping young men 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.080 escape the matrix and avoid wasting their lives as a brokie, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.480 which thanks to Tate, has become one of the more 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.320 common adolescent slang terms for young boys in the UK, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.000 And it means you don't have much money, right, you 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.320 get this fucking you hear this a lot with like 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.439 the way these kids talk to their teachers, and their 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.319 parents were like, were you just a brokie? Like why 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.600 would I listen to anything you have to say about 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.840 life or the world. You don't have as much money 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.800 as for example, this guy that I'm paying fifty bucks 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.079 a month for my mom's credit card to learn how 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.439 to like mostly make like AI scam books and stuff 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.679 to sell on Amazon. Like, that's honestly the biggest thing 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.920 that the real world does, right now, that's the grift. 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.800 Yeah, literally, the Hustlers University thing, yeah. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.520 Yes, right, yes, and so's there's all just like scams 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.679 to get rich quick essentially, right, yeah, scams to get 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.800 rich quick, And it's all this this very much like 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.640 it's the same cons that you encounter if you're on 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.600 like YouTube and you get a bunch of like con 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.040 ads for oh, here's a video of a guy in 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.680 his fucking garage that with a sports car and a 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.080 bunch of shitty business books and him walking you through 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.440 how he makes twenty thousand dollars a month or whatever 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.240 on Amazon drop shipping or you know, making Kindle AI books. Again, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.440 that's now kind of the big one. And while initially 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.200 Hustler's University was more focused just on getting women to 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.400 work in your cam business. The real world is a 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.920 mix of very standard like pickup artists stuff like here's 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.520 here are the different tips and tricks for getting women 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.360 interested in you and how to like, you know, mentally 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.160 abuse them so they don't leave you. And the next 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.840 set of them is or the next set of things 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.959 on it is like here's a bunch of different scams 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.960 for how you can get rich, and they're all again 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.240 there are all these like drop shipping scams and AI 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.840 scams and stuff. So it's none of it is for 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.000 as much as he talks about like being this jetsetter 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.880 who's got all of these innovative ideas, Like his primary 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.199 money it's an MLM, right, like this is a thing 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.160 that most people who do this will never make a 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.080 dime really doing it. His money is in selling them 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.880 and selling subscriptions right. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:34.959 Well. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.600 The platform provides courses on common like passive income schemes. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.400 That's another term you'll hear a lot. It's primary service 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.040 for Tait is both to milk money out of these 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.440 kids and the hope that they'll believe for a time 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.160 that they're going to get rich, but also to utilize 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.439 them for free labor to keep his name trending again. 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.640 The way this guy went from a nobody to being 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.359 at least the most well known name on social media 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.839 is by gathering this group of young men together and 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.240 handing them. Once they're paying for access to the site, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.480 they get access to this archive of all of Tate's 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.719 videos and interviews and they can cut up clips from 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.199 that to edit into YouTube and TikTok content. Right, and 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.559 this content doesn't get them viewers, Like that's kind of 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.400 what it's build is doing, is like you can use 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.520 Andrew's fame in order to build your own platform. That 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.800 doesn't really work. But what does work is if you've 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.480 got thousands of people constantly posting their shit to different 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:35.240 social media the right, yeah, and the algorithm will continue 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.320 to prioritize your name and stuff related to you, you know. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.040 And that's that's really how all this stuff works. Just 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.360 free propaganda for him, it's free propaganda. And that's the 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.880 actual the real insight that he had, Like all of 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.040 these cons are just stuff he rips off from elsewhere 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.280 on the Internet, taking the MLM structure and adapting it 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.800 to instead of having them try to sell his products, 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.200 having them try to keep his name going viral so 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.839 that the algorithm rewards his content. That's a unique and 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.160 creative move that he's made, and it's gotten him quite 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.360 a bit of what he has right now now. One 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.080 of these BBC articles I came across interviews a former 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.320 member of the Real World Mahmoud, who was pulled into 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.679 Tate's orbit when he started coming across some of these 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.560 videos that were just like being spread across his different 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.199 social media timelines. He fell for the con He believed that, like, Okay, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:28.960 this guy can probably teach me how to get rich. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.160 I want to get rich. You know, life's hard in 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.200 the UK as a young man, like I need to 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.760 figure out some way that I can make a bunch 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.480 of money. So he pays fifty bucks and he joins quote. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.760 Before long, he was completely immersed in Tate's universe, isolating 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.120 himself from friends and family. Mahmoud would regularly spend ten 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.480 to twelve hours a day, sometimes his Mania sixteen and 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.120 his computer editing and publishing social media videos promoting Tate 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.880 daily as part of the required coursework. He'd become a 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.720 cog and the same sophisticated Pierre machine that had initially 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.559 drawn him to the influencer's web. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.240 God. So he's giving these kids homework to just like 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.600 make as many TikTok videos of him as possible. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.400 Yeah, if you want to stay in, if you want 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.760 to keep getting access to these different instructors that I've had, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.400 if you don't want to be kicked out, or you 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:15.960 want a chance of getting into this. He has an 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.200 affiliate marketing program. You have to post a certain number 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.240 of videos a day, and they're really they're just trying 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.480 to keep these kids on as often as they can, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.240 pumping out like sixteen hours a day for free. I 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.120 mean not not even for free. They're paying for the privilege. Right, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.280 And again, there's not any one specific thing that's unique 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.800 about the real world outside of this. All of the 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.200 money making scams they teach people are the same stuff 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.000 you'll come across in these like YouTube ads. There's this 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.760 basically like this forum type experience. I think it's mostly 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.280 conducted through telegram, So there's different private channels where users 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.880 can talk to each other about their business ideas or 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.440 about how to pick up women. And this allows Andrew 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.240 to put in a lot less actual work in the system. Right, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.360 he doesn't have to teach people directly, and he doesn't 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.360 actually have to manage this. He just has to put 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.480 out his own content and it'll all get kind of 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.360 fed into the churn. Andrew has promoted coaches in order 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.160 to handle the day to day task of managing this place. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.800 These are members of the war room who are also 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.520 paying him. They'll call him his general sometimes too. And 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.440 in addition to you know, subscriptions to the real world, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.200 he sells classes and tickets to life events around the 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.280 world where he will travel and you know, travel alongside 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.240 other men who are kind of in the Tate universe, 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.080 and they'll give events for these These just unbelievably sad 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.280 young men who desperately want to know how to pick 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.880 up women and get rich enough to not just rent 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.160 their maserati at a day rate. The centerpiece of his 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.040 whole platform, the main thing that he is geared towards 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.880 selling through the real world is his PhD. What stands 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.320 of course for pimpinhose degree. Right, we talked about this 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.040 last time. No, it's always so. It's just the worst 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.400 thing when I have to tell people that, yeah, yeah, it. 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.120 Puts every time it hurts. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.360 Again, There's nothing at all that is unique or creative 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.280 about this. What's actually happening here is this, all these 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.400 warmed over techniques from like the game and the first 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.960 couple of years of the pickup artist community are being 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.000 repackaged into a degree, and then that is being made 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.600 into number one. It's a prerequisite to join the war room. 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.000 And the goal here is not to just seduce women 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.280 to have sex with them, which is kind of what 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.880 the pickup artists were doing. It was all about adding 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.400 notches to your belt or whatever. In this case, the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.880 goal is to coerce women, make them fall for you, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.320 isolate them from their loved ones, and then get them 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.160 working for you on camera as a sex worker, right 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.440 and convincing them to hand over all of the money 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:48.440 they make doing so. That's yeah, that's just that's the business. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.880 Hard to even process. It's so gross. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.000 It's such an interesting evolution of this is about how 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.680 to at a If you were kind of paying attention 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.400 to the early days of the pickup artist community, it 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.760 was always very toxic, but it was less like outwardly 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.320 evil like a lot more of it was framed as like, well, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.720 this is just teaching young awkward men how to be 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.360 charming and how to like yeah, you know, get get 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.600 and that turned into there's a reason why this fed 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.320 so much into the far right and to the alt right. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.040 Why there were guys like ruche Vee and whatnot who 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.160 were initially big in that, who tried to become right 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.360 wing influencers, but nearly all of them failed, in part 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.080 because this was a creature of the older Internet right, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.560 this pickup artistry stuff, and it didn't really age well 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.880 into the kind of late social media period. And the 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.520 other thing was going on with this is that it's 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.240 not the kind of thing that self selects for people 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.640 who are culture warriors. It self selects for people who 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.200 are like almost throwbacks at this point, to like the 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.960 old Hugh Hefner Playboy era. And Andrew tait Is, I 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.480 don't know if i'd say he's the first, but he's 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.240 the most successful at merging the whole right wing culture 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.800 warrior narrative where you're fighting against the matrix and you're 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.359 fighting for traditional values with a lot of this pickup 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.840 artistry stuff, which you know, that's kind of the that's 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.639 the position that he occupies. Now. This used to be 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.119 the PhD used to be something he advertised on his 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.520 major website, but because of all of the lawsuits against him, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.400 you can't find the degree being advertised normally, so it's 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.240 pushed entirely in private through the real world, and the 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.879 BBC got access to a number of these internal ads. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.520 These are like slide shows where Andrew's trying to convince 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.040 these young men who are already locked into like the 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.359 most basic stage of his platform, that they should join 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.800 the war room and pay it eight grand a month. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.240 And I'm gonna share here. It's eight grand a month 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.080 or a grand a year, sorry year, Yeah, either way, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:46.720 that's so so much money. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:47.879 Yeah. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.000 So this first slide just says, will the PhD system 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.359 change your life? And it's above four pictures of a 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.560 mix of it's like Andrew usually sitting and sipping a 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:02.639 drink or wearing fucking shorts leaved shirt next to different 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.920 various young women. Right, will the PhD system change your life? 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.400 Do you have a girl who completely trust your decisions, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.720 will do anything you say, and loves you deeply? Yes 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.480 or no? If your answer is yes, I guarantee ninety percent. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.880 If you are lying to yourselves, read the question again. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.040 Understand what I mean when I say anything and ask 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.719 yourself if you've ever tested that your belief. If your 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.520 answer is no, you're missing out on one of life's 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.840 greatest pleasures. Doesn't matter your age. You should have a 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.399 loving girlfriend. If you're too busy to get one good 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.240 the PhD system was made for you. If you're happy 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.520 touching your own dick, this power is not for you. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.520 So you see who he's advertising for here, right, Yeah, 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.320 these guys are like, well, I could spend sixteen hours 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:41.840 at a computer, but like, I don't want to go 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.800 out and like actually make a connection with somebody. Right, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.360 And there's little bits of no fap in there. There's 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.879 so many different little corners of the creep Internet that 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.680 come together in making Andrew tait final thoughts. I will 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.840 be teaching you every step to building a girl who 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.359 is submissive, loyal, and in love with you, from your 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.239 first message to testing if you want to keep her 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.080 to as long as you want the relationship to go on. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.000 I am the most capable man in the world to 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.000 teach you this power, and I am one hundred percent 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.280 confident in my program. I have a warning. There's responsibility 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.360 when you have someone completely loyal to you. I've had 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.280 some girls from over a decade. When someone gives themselves 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.600 to you completely, their life path is in your hands. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.800 Be wise. And then there's a little box at the 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:26.520 bottom that says joined the PhD program. Yeah, and then at. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.600 Least he's teaching them to be responsible with that kind 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:28.960 of power. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:33.040 Sure, you've gotta be responsible when you come to own 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:38.960 a woman via using Andrew Tate's mind domination program. And 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.720 then the last slide here is what exactly do you 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.240 get with the PhD programs? This is a big ad 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.280 slide hours of video content. Well, I will teach you 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.720 how to text women, how to build your social media 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.000 is to pick up women, best first dates, to bring 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.480 women on, best follow up dates, how to approach women. 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.400 The framework that in all that all male female interactions 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.200 are based on how to see if a woman is 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.439 high quality? My opening line had to get women in 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.159 bed the critical mistakes most when men make, how to 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:05.720 stay on her mind without interaction. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.800 How to see if a woman is high quality? 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.359 Yes, Now, if you've watched Always Sonny in Philadelphia. The 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.159 degree to which all of this mirrors the Dinnist system, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.600 which is one of the characters is a creepy sex 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.800 criminal and has like a flirtato like it's it's one 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.760 for one, Like there's pretty it's literally one for one. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.360 Jesus Christ, you know what else is one for one? 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.000 Robert, Speaking of one for one, I'll give you one 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.560 ad break in exchange for one chunk of listening to 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:45.359 my podcast. And we're back. 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:46.080 Ah. 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:51.680 So we're talking about Andrew Tait, mind control wizard, you 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.720 know who's he's just like, you know, this is again 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.520 like I bring up the dinnist system, but this is 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.040 all what's kind of interesting to me is he clearly 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.920 to put this together. He the people who made this 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.359 spent a great deal of time combing the Internet for 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:08.200 the last twenty years of different get rich quick and 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.160 like flirt with like like flirting with women, like pick 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.960 up artists, scams and all that stuff. Like there's a 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.640 whole generation of like creepy dude, kind of right wing 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.760 adjacent content, and he's just an aggregator. It's like somebody 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.040 put the last twenty years of like dudes being assholes 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.160 on the Internet that led us directly to Trump and 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.359 like use chat ept to remix it into a guy 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.000 with bad tattoos. So I find that I find that 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.239 very interesting. Yeah, Now the stuff I read these kind 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.880 of these clips advertising the PhD system, like the way 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.000 in which he describes it in this advertisement is disgusting. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.760 But in other interviews he's dropped additional hints about some 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.159 of the curriculum, which does include physical violence. So I 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.440 played that clip earlier about Tate talking about using a 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.280 machete on a woman who caught him cheating, right about 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.679 like you know what happens if she catches you cheating 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.359 and she tries to attack you, and he says, you know, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:04.760 hit her in the face of the machete. 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:05.000 Right. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.680 This is something he talks about a lot, and it's 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.800 it's this this mix of like stuff like that, these 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.680 like extreme this extreme violence, and then these tactics that 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.840 are almost like quaint, right, Like he one thing he'll 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.439 tell people to do is to start your relationship with 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.639 ordering by ordering the woman in question to bring you 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.480 a box of chocolates. H And at first I was like, oh, 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.480 is this just this is just like very basic, like 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.040 almost fifties era stuff, But no, it's it turns out 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.240 it's more related to like this neuro linguistic programming technique 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.719 where you get someone doing you favors and you use 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.680 that to ask them to do other favors. And Tate 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.600 clearly he doesn't even really seem to grasp much of 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.040 like the underlying logic here because when he there's there's 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.879 male BBC journalists who tries to interview him for this 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.479 documentary on this leaked stuff. Wants to interview Tate, and 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.560 Tate does the same thing, tries to get him to 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.800 bring a box of chocolates and hand them directly to 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.320 Andrew and the journalist that's like talk to his editors 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.840 to see it. And there's this whole weird It's what 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:07.520 he's trying to do is he's trying to establish a 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.879 pattern of obedience because he thinks that lets him manipulate people. 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.240 That it's like this hack to get into someone's brain. 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:15.240 If you get them doing one favor to you, they'll 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.720 do other favors to you. This is very old power 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.879 of positive thinking, salesmanship kind of stuff. You'll get this 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.840 in stuff going back to the nineteen fifties, including a 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.159 lot of like the Norman Vincent Peeale shit that Donald 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.480 Trump was being raised on as a kid. I've seen 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.919 versions of this that go back decades and the thing 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:35.879 you're supposed to do. As time goes on, you're supposed 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.280 to give the subject of your focus more tasks, and 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.239 you let your language get increasingly strict. You start by 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.199 asking like, hey, would you do this for me, and 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.399 you in by giving them commands right where like, this 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.199 is what we're doing today, this is your job for 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:48.520 the day, this is what you have to do for 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.080 the day. And at the same time, and this is 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.840 the thing that I think actually makes much more of 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.800 an impact effectively. You're also supposed to be isolating your 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.280 target from their family and social support network, so you're 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.480 getting them in the habit of doing things that you say, 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.159 and you're also cutting them off from their friends and 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.359 family so they don't have anyone else in their life. 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.480 But you I want people who would ostensibly be like, hey, 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.560 what are you doing? This is kind of sucking weird. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.639 Yeah, you're doing everything this guy tells you. Are you 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.320 working sixteen hours a day? Like on doing an only 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.560 fans that he gets the money from, Like that seems 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.760 kind of fucked up. Now, I want to play you 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.439 a clip linked leaked from one of these in person 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:29.120 seminars he gives on mentally dominating women. The question he's 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.680 asked right before giving this answer, is can you say 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.040 more about the restrictions and boundaries that you put on 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.960 a woman in terms of who she can talk. 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:39.520 To trigger warning Andrew Tate's voice. 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:59.600 Well, her family, right, she really strong, soial, So that's all. 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:04.840 No more around saying and then we're gonna catch that's 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:09.560 all business their side story. Only you're about nine out. 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:15.560 Why that line just pass? It gets in there. It's 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:21.120 not time And the things we're talking about us are excitement. 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.119 He never catching all these things time into ice and 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.840 taking away from the house, every house. 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:29.520 All. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:32.560 Yeah, I hate this guy. 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:38.840 So disgusting, the smallest little man in the world because 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.240 women won't shut the fuck up. 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.919 It's like, well, I. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.080 Mean it's it's taking this very basic misogyny because you're again, 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.959 his audience is not it's framed aus like we're an 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.840 alliance of powerful men, you know, making sure they're more powerful. 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.720 But his audience is all guys who have never like 0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.560 I mean, it's not even guys. It's children, right, it's 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.920 kids on the world. Are you right? 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.040 Are you really powerful if you can't handle your partner 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.600 having Checksnos, a friend. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.360 Friend, no, No, But like this is these people. Most 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.720 of these people have never had partners, right and and 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.439 the Tate and kind of the older men who are 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:22.280 running things they've got. They're all jacked. They're all generally 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.399 on gear. They're all they all have like nice tailored clothes. 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.920 They all either have or rent sports cars. And these 0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.120 little kids are minds, are just putty in their hands. 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.119 They like see they see the physical symbols of wealth 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.000 that these people have, and they're like, well then they 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.199 must know what they're doing, Like this must all be 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.439 the path to get what I want. And this is 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.720 pretty classic cult leader behavior, both from Tate influencing these 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.359 young people and the stuff he's telling them to do 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.760 to women. Right and he frames this as saying, like, 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.680 there's no perfect girl for you. You have to make her. 0:26:55.720 --> 0:27:00.040 You have to make her using these techniques, right and, 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.840 per a quote from The Daily Dot, which originally published 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.120 a lot of these leaked war room videos. In another 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.080 clip from the same meeting, Tate explains why the woman 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.399 his members want to date should not have normal jobs. 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.800 If she has a normal job, she's got a social circle, 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.240 she's got a support network, Tate, the moones, She's having 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.440 a bunch of conversations you don't know about. She knows 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:18.919 a bunch of dudes who are trying to get in 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.600 her ear. No, she has concerns which aren't involving you, right, 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.879 and that's a problem. Tate says. Her brain power is 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:27.840 dedicated to things that have nothing to do with you. 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.879 It's a massive influence. And there is this like deep insecurity, 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.840 right that if you will anything else in you cause 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.520 you're going to be you're going to make her miserable. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:35.760 Right. 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.119 You have no desire or intention to actually like be 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:41.520 in a relationship with someone or provide them with anything 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.120 they need. You're preerly trying to take things from them, 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.240 and it's obvious that's not going to make anyone happy. 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.119 I wanted to run through another section of this curriculum 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.600 from Tate's PhD. So this is from that same clip 0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.160 that gets played around a lot of Andrew Tate talking 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.479 about hitting women with a machete. What's not usually played 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.000 in the context when people discuss this, because I've seen 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.480 like all of the big interviews that he's done recently, 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.040 he gets asked about this. What's not played is that 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.720 this is him talking about like one of the physical 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.960 tests that you have to pass in order to get 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.160 this PhD degree. And I really wish people would talk 0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:17.800 about this because this is kind of one of the 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.040 more like fucked up things I've heard about in relation 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.640 to what Tate is actually trying to teach the people 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.160 who take his classes. 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:25.520 And what about my PhD. 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.680 We had to practice if a girl comes. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.920 At you and you cheat it, you cheat it, it's 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.280 bang on the machete, boom in her face. 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.280 This is the actual full context is like this is 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.320 part of a test you have to like in order 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.640 to pass this degree. You have to take a physical 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.360 test on how you would defend yourself against one of 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.760 these women you're trafficking, catching youat cheating, Like that's the 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:46.960 actual context of. 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.680 All of this insane. 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:54.320 Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, like just the fact that 0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.160 like you're building in well, obviously your people are going 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:00.120 to get attacked because the stuff that they're they're doing 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.360 is so like incredibly gross. We have to try and 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.360 like train them to fight these women that were also 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.520 teaching them to try and like mentally dominate, which is 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.240 simultaneously this admission that like the tactics don't work that well. 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:20.520 So you're going, yeah, his stance there, if I'm understanding correctly, 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.240 is if woman speaks in a way you don't like, 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.160 you slice them. Yeah. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.200 Yeah, that's exciting, and you have to train people to 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:35.480 slice them. Yeah machete, Yeah yeah, with your terrible machete. 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.520 And that's why you have it. It's not because you're 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.480 being targeted by the deep state and the matrix. It's 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.720 because your girlfriends are going to get angry at you 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.080 and you have to be able to hit them. 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:44.560 Yeah. 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:45.680 That's insane. 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.600 Yeah, So giving speeches like this and this is like 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.240 part of the curriculum for this this PhD program, you know, 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.200 sold on in the real world and operated as a 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.440 prerequisite for getting into the war room. Making stuff like 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.280 this is how Tate makes his money now. Right, He 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.360 is not primarily in the pimping business anymore because that 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.040 doesn't make nearly is It's an MLM thing, right, It's 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.360 an MLM that sells being a pimp. 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:11.960 Right. 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.400 This is the same as like Douterra or whatever. But 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.680 your business is like coercing women in the working on 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.320 camera for you. And Tate's at the top now, so 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:22.840 he doesn't have to actually have to do that. There's 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.600 much more money in making content like this. Now, the 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.560 purpose of all of these programs is to get people 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.959 to buy other classes, right, that's what's really sold. The 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.040 real world's fifty bucks a month, but if you want 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.040 to get this degree, it's another four hundred dollars. The 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.840 war rooms eight grand a year. But there are access 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.200 to additional secret chat rooms that cost thousands of additional 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.760 dollars a year, right, And there's access to classes that 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.560 cost thousands more. And there's all these in person gatherings 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.680 that cost money. And one of Tate's mottos is that 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.600 no great man ever ever got there on his own, right, 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.000 so's he says, like, you need these, you need to 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.560 be part of this network. And it's all so familiar 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.360 to like the mL the standard MLN schema when you 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.760 really look at it like that. And that's what's really 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.840 changed my understanding of Tate from this is an influencer 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:13.240 who is mobilizing his fan base to make himself more famous, 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.960 to this is a guy who, whatever his initial goal was, 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.959 he's now amway. He's now the amway of hitting women, right, Like, 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.680 That's that's what Andrew Tate's businesses. 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.720 It's got Keith Ranieri energy Yeah. 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.520 We'll talk a little bit about Keith Ranieri, because there's 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.560 a lot of Keith Ranieri to Andrew Tait, and I 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.000 think to some extent it's maybe if Tate had come 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.880 up in an earlier era, before all the anti woke 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.040 stuff got as big as it was, before the far 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.400 right was ascendant, he would have tried more for the 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.120 culturally kind of like left wing image that a guy 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.880 like Ranieri cultivated, where like no, no, no, I'm part 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:53.200 of like this progressive movement empowering women. I think Andrew 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.720 might have gone in that direction, he probably wouldn't have 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.360 been as successful because I think he's just kind of 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.360 inherently also a dick, but he's he he's certainly shaped 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.880 by like the tides of history around him. Now, former 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.560 members of the War Room not only are they being 0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.640 kind of taught to groom these women that they're trafficking 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.880 in a culty way, they also described the war Room 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.080 as a cult itself. And the basis of that BBC 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.240 report is that the leader of the actual cult inside 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.520 the War Room isn't even Tait. He's just the figurehead, 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.040 the individual responsible for most of this content and curriculum 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.600 and for the culture of the platform is a completely 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:34.000 different guy who goes by the pseudonym Iggy simmelweis in 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.880 the war room, right, And I'm not one hundred percent 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.920 in agreement with the BBC on the how much this 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.960 guy is actually running things behind the scenes, but he's 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.680 certainly a major figure. He is a real person. Will 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.720 give his real name. His nickname is odd to me. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.680 When I first heard Iggy Simolwiz, I was like, that 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.440 sounds familiar, and me being me, whenever I'm like, well, 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.640 that guy's name sounds familiar, my assumption is like, so 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.080 he's some sort of Nazi, right, Like this is some 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.720 sort of guy. But I look him up and I 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.640 remember where I read about him from because he's someone 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.920 I've intended to tell his story on bastards for a while. 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.760 He's actually not a bastard, but there's a lot of 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.680 awful stuff in his story. Ignat simbilwise was a real 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.840 guy and a really the precise opposite of a bad guy. 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.800 He was a he was a Hungarian German doctor, and 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.080 he's the guy who was basically first in like an 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.520 organized way making the scientific case for like, hey, we 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.120 should use an as sceptics. You know, people always die 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.440 when we give surgery or we cut off their limbs. 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.360 What if we like cleaned things first, what if we 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:32.520 cleared this song? 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.640 Great? What a great idea, my guy. Yeah, great idea. 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.120 Sounds like a good guy. 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:39.320 He was a good guy. 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.000 Yeah, he was who. 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.840 Really really really really really likes hand sanitizer. 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:44.480 Yeah. 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.440 Wellay, symbol Weis is the father of hands out. He's 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.280 also the father. He was the first major figure who 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.800 was like a respected Western scientist to be like, surgeons 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.320 and doctors should probably wash their fucking hands right. 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:01.479 Clean is somebody who unfortunately surgery this year. Thank you, 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:01.960 my guy. 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.880 Wow, now you say it at Sophie, but it turns 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.600 out that no, he was fine. But at a certain 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.560 period of time, telling doctors that they needed to wash 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.560 their hands was very dangerous because if you're telling doctors, hey, 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.799 before you reach your hand into someone's chest cavity, you 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:21.000 should like wash it with like soap and stuff, you're 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:25.520 telling doctors your hands are covered in germs that get 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:29.719 people sick. And doctors are better than regular people, right, 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.400 they are educated gentlemen. And if you're telling an educated gentleman, 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.760 you're dirty and you might get a poor person sick 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:40.960 by touching inside of their body. That is deeply offensive, 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.600 and it really pissed off a lot of people, so 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.520 many that Simowiz was hounded into a like hounded into 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.719 like having a mental break and then forced into a 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.799 mental asylum where he was beaten by guards and died 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.879 of an infected injury because because they were washing their 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:58.720 fucking hands. 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.960 I mean, god, I do get a lot of joy 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.040 when I know something that my doctor brother doesn't. 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:10.320 Yeah, like the father of being, Like, wash your fucking hands, people, God, 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.640 now everybody. 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.800 Just so tiny, just so tiny, wash your hands. 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:19.120 I mean they do it. 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:23.160 Now, they got around do it. We just had to 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:27.880 lose illuminary first. Now again, the pick this name. I 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.880 don't understand that. I don't know because he has nothing 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.160 to do with this guy right, other than maybe he 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:37.800 feels like he I guess I could make a clickcase 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.920 that like, oh, he probably sees the world he's in 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.640 is filled with like germs, which is, you know, other 0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:49.400 people having rights, And maybe he's the he's he's the 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.200 persecuted doctor who like sees the way things should be. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.880 Step away from the computer screen, touch grass, go to therapy. 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.920 No, I don't want this guy to go do anything. 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.439 The real dude is an American named Miles Sonkin, Right, 0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:03.680 that's the actual guy. 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.680 Who Yeah, all right. 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.280 I don't know, weird little guy. The BBC got access 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.560 to a bunch of leaked chats for its documentary The 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.239 Man Who Groomed the World. The journalists behind it, Matt Say, 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.760 came up with the opinion that Sonkan is the brains 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.000 and the igeological weight behind Tate's whole war room operation. 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.200 And he makes a pretty good case. Again, I disagree 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.680 with aspects of Shay has put more time into this 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.799 than I have, and he spent a lot of time 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.600 around Tait. He's met Sonkan in person, He's met a 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.279 number of key figures here. Somebody yield to his expertise, 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.480 even though I'm not sure I agree with him entirely. 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:41.280 And we'll talk about who this guy is, but first 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.880 let's talk about who our advertisers are, other than great people, 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:55.000 which they are. Sonkan was born in Chicago nineteen sixty one, 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.600 and he's been described in interviews by family members as 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.759 a smart kid. And here's the most dangerous word we 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.640 ever used on the show. He was also an autodidact. Right, 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.160 So he's this kid who learns a lot on his 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:12.640 own and doesn't really go to high school but educates himself. Now, unfortunately, 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.520 when you do that, there tend to be holes in 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:15.280 your education. 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:20.800 I feel get pretty siloed into some Yeah. 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:21.719 This is one of our great problems, is that if 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.840 the things you're interested in wind up being worth a 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.480 lot of money, you can get by never learning about 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.560 anything else and also convincing yourself that you understand the 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.680 world because you've made a lot of money. And I 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.600 think that's kind of what's going to happen to Sonken. 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.520 And he pays an initial he pays initially some like 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.680 consequences for it because he immediately gets. 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.480 Cited in a picture of the guy. That's why his 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:44.759 face is doing that. 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.120 Oh yeah he does. He does look like a wizard, right, 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:49.680 he looks like an evil wizard. 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.960 Yes, it's so bad. This beard is terrible. 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:53.719 Yeah. 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:58.320 Oh yeah, no, I'll believe he's using the fucking dnnist 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.520 system to get his get himself a harem. 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:08.439 Yeah yeah, Malcolm, please insert a picture here, please, there's 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:10.319 there's a good one. 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:11.719 You'll know which one. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:18.040 Yeah, wizard. So his self education makes him kind of 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.600 vulnerable to getting taken advantage of as a young man, 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.239 and as a result, he joins two different cults right 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.839 when he's a young person. Are sially two different organizations 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.360 widely regarded as colts, and the second is the Rajniche movement, 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.360 who was the focus of the Netflix documentary Wild Wild Country. 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.680 So he gets sucked into that for a while as 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.200 a young man, and I think like the eighties night, 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.960 late eighties or nineties now the details of his specific 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.800 involvement in either cult are not available at this time, 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.400 but over the years Son can evolve from a spiritual 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.839 seeker into someone who believed that he in fact had 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:53.120 the answers. During the early age of the social Internet, 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.040 he became a pick up artist and was one of 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.760 the first prominent ones online serting like the late nineties 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.160 early two thousands, he's like on the ground flow or 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.319 of pick up artistry as like an online subculture. He 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:07.319 gets really interested in hypnosis and neurolinguistic programming alongside this, 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.720 and he began become an advocate of mind controlling women 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:14.480 by repeating certain words and phrases. You might recognize this 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.320 as Pavlovian training. Applied to dating, and he seems to 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.239 be the origin of Tates. You know, get him to 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:23.239 bring you chocolate, you know, establish a pattern of obedience 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:28.160 in order to break their ability to think separately from you. Now. 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.400 Sonken is also a self described wizard. He believes he's 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.920 literally casting spells on people. He does that to this 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.960 journalist when he tries to like interview Andrew Tait, Well, 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.920 he does have like a little bit of a Sarramon 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.000 if Saramon got his hair down behind a seven to 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:49.719 eleven block. Sonken is a self described wizard, and as 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.520 he got into magic, he got more interested in the 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.480 self in the more esoteric segments of the far right 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.000 through the early aughts, the like weird hitlerism shit, and 0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.520 this is a growing up kind of the most part 0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.839 before people become super aware of it and then Gamergate 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.160 helps flood a lot of it and then the alt right. 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.759 Sonken is kind of right in the middle of that. 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.759 He and Tate seem to have started working together in 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.760 twenty eighteen, and at this point, Andrew Tate is basically 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.960 a late undergrowth of the pickup artist community focused on 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.520 camera sex work type stuff. It's unclear how Miles is 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.239 involved with him, but I think he probably helps to 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.600 write and formulate a lot of the courses that Andrew 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.640 was selling during this period. A former member of the 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.880 war Room, which was established in twenty nineteen, describes Iggy 0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.640 as at the top and the real leader of the platform, 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.480 and it's you know, I don't know if I like 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.360 taking away credit from Tate for being, you know, a 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:47.360 puppet master, but these guys are both definitely partners, you know. 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.520 And the kind of things Tate's teaching a lot of 0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:53.360 these are not things he came up with himself or 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.479 wrote himself. They think similwise kind of had on deck 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.560 that Tate decided to slap his name on. And even 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:03.279 this has layers right when a former member described the 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.840 war Room as a bunch of telegram chats, some for 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.719 business or girls or money, but there are more prestigious 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.840 rooms that users who have already put in thousands of 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.320 dollars are expected to shill out thousands more to join 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.120 in messages on the Warroom telegram we can see song 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.919 and posting as similwize and giving the same advice Tate 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:23.000 gives from that speech we listened to earlier, And this 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.200 is a message from him to war reim members. Isolating 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.480 her from her family, friends, past is the kindest thing 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.520 you can do for her if you are taking responsibility 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.279 for having sole authority over her. 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:32.200 And then in. 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.880 Another post, we deliberately reduce attention and note if she chases, 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.719 then we set up a coffee date and execute a 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.359 move to find if she's willing to pay for our 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.919 coffee and serve us. After that, it becomes a series 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.440 of gradual steps to remove her entire support structure from 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.279 her life. Then we punish her for a transgression real 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.160 or imagined by having her get our name tattooed on her, 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:54.240 leaving her family's home, apartment, town country, webcamming, and stripping 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.440 walking the track for us, getting us girls. Escalate, Escalate, escalate. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.960 So this is really Keith Ranierie stuff doing the branding 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.840 thing right where you have to get tattoos or scarify 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.720 yourself with the name of this guy. 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:09.480 Yeah, it's pretty gross. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:13.799 It's pretty gross. Now, I think it'd be wise if 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.959 you wanted to do so, to view the war Room 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.359 and the real world as kind of a modern day 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.320 answer to the Church of Scientology. 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.680 Okay, Yeah, there's so many parallels. I was thinking that 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:24.800 this entire time. 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:28.840 A ton of parallels, and obviously Hubbard is a reflection 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.840 of the big self help culture of his time. The 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:38.320 scientology starts off as an offshoot of the self improvement 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.040 movement with a book called Dianetics, which instructed readers on 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.440 a series of exercises that would clear them of trauma 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.480 and bad habits and make them superhuman. One of the 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.319 dominant subcultures of the early Internet age, as I've said, 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:53.080 was the pickup artist scene, and the inherent scamminess of 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:55.040 a lot of this culture influenced the growth of the 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.279 modern YouTube scam economy, as well as the ecosystem of 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.359 far right content creators who helped break the Trump administration. 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.680 So it does make sense that Tait and Sonkean would 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.040 form a cult What is at its around what is 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:11.359 at its essence rebranded pickup artistry. The BBC documentary makes 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.680 it sound like this was all Sonkan's plan from the beginning, 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.359 and it quotes former members who described his ultimate goal 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.200 as world domination through the spread of his ideology. Right, 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.400 he wants to get this to everybody. He wants to 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.759 take over the world with this, and I but Also, 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.640 how is anyone going to make money with their camera 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:32.440 businesses in that future? Sure, it's like if you wanted 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:33.960 to take over the world by building a bunch of 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.439 tire shops, well, at a certain point your tire shops 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.000 aren't going to be worth any money. There's two Do 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.080 you not understand supply and demand? I don't know, not 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.520 the most logical. 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.879 Uh movement math not adding up at all? 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.680 Yeah, the maths not really adding up. So Samuel Quinone's 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.239 was interviewed for a Vice article. This is a He 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.359 is a founding member of the War Room, but says 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.560 that he quit about six months in because quote, I 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.799 recognize the upselling of useless courses and events, much like 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:00.560 an MLM. 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.439 Okay and okay, so dumbino hard enough to leave. 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.920 Yeah right. There's another guy who's like, yeah, I was 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:08.840 working on their socials for a while. I didn't realize 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.440 there were trafficking women. And the interview asked like, do 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.719 you feel bad for that? And he's like, well, no, 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.680 I didn't really know what was going on. Okay, man, 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.480 I don't know. There were still some unknowns, such as 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.160 how much financial advantage is taken of in the warm 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.320 Inner Circle members. Right, we don't know if Andrew's getting 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.680 money from each of these guys in the war room, 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.240 a cut of their profits from, you know, trafficking women. 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.439 We do know that about one percent of the people 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.840 who join actually get a lot of money, which is 0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:39.640 not super different from amway. 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:40.560 Right. Yeah. 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.920 I was gonna ask, like, were there any like success 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.120 stories or people who actually did get rich from this, 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:46.760 and it sounds like no. 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.000 It's hard to really tell, but I mean, I'm sure 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.920 there are definitely people making money from having women do 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.319 this for them, but anyone who winds up net in 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.960 the black is fairly rare. Mahmood, a former member, told 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.560 Vice there was no that was making any real money, 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.920 he said, citing conversations he had with other students in 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.239 the platform's chat rooms and the empty win section on 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.479 most users' profiles attract a lack of earnings. These people 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:12.080 inside there that are reliving, that are leaving their schools 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:14.440 the units to pursue this, he said, adding that one 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.040 of his friends on the platform told him that he 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.520 had abandoned his university studies to go all in on 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:23.719 the program. Oh no, I don't know. I don't know, Like, 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.640 if you could be convinced not to go to university 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.600 because you're hoping that like you could become the next 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.880 Andrew Tate. Maybe you shouldn't be getting whatever degree you 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:31.360 were getting. 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:39.480 Right, there's this like trend on TikTok right now that's like, 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:45.640 uh needed I just needed a hug thing. It's like, yeah, fuck, 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.759 did something did something like crazy, but really just needed 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:50.080 a hug. 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.480 And it's just so many of these things. I'm like, 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:54.879 you just need like. 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:59.000 One person like aware, like one person being aware of 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.399 what was going on your left be like hey no no, no, no, 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:03.960 no no, that's an MLM, or like uh no no no, no, 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.400 no no no manosphere, manosphere or no. 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:08.840 No no, no no no. We don't abuse women. 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:13.040 And the thing that you're being kind of continually pushed 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.120 to do in the real world is put out more 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.000 videos that will get more people to subscribe to Tate services. 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:20.239 And if you get out enough, if you have a 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.560 certain people watching you, you get affiliate status, right, which 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.239 is where you get a cut of people who join 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.839 and you pay inditate programs through your videos. So top 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.360 war room generals act as social enforcers, using humiliation to 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:34.480 force young men to go into war mode, where they 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.719 would labor for days off in sixteen to twenty hours 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.600 at a time with very little sleep in order to 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.759 make tate content go viral. States were required to post 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:44.560 four to six videos a day and harassed with their 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.480 if their metrics weren't good enough. And you know, I 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.440 would make more about how horrible this is, but a 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.359 lot of this just sounds out how like working about 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.440 Facebook is right now, So I don't know, could be 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.759 a better boss, could be worse both. In the war 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.120 Room itself, discussion tended to focus around sharing clips of 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.400 text with messages from different women members who were pursued 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.279 from different women that members were pursuing or trying to 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.800 converse into what we would call trafficking. The most granular 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:12.879 write up of how people converse in the War Room 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.239 documentary and the War Room come from the substack of 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.000 a guide called Crabman, who is the source for the 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.480 NBC's documentary. Right. He brings them some of these leaked 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.359 documents and he takes great pains to break down what's 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.960 going in in the on aage of these discussions. In 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:27.759 one chat in the Great Hall, which seems to be 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.440 a general discussion area, Tristan described how well trained Andrew's 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.400 girls are and that girls who don't play ball are expelled. 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.560 Crabman rights, here's the thing. It's all the game to Andrew. 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:39.520 He tells our warroom members, you have to risk it 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.600 all by losing to get to the next bet. Sometimes 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:43.640 you lose. I've lost. 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:44.000 Girls. 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.040 Doesn't always work, but that's why you got to find 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.000 new ones. And the ones that it does work for, 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:49.600 those are the ones you keep. That's just how you 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.759 build a good harem of girls, you know, because some 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.520 girls just like it. Some girls system the system works, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.120 but if we have another guy, they kind of have, 0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.359 like or whatever, outside influences. Sometimes you do them when 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.120 you play hardball. But I play hardball ball anyway because 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.120 it's all I'm interested in. I want the one hundred, 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.239 I don't give want the five, so I'll gamble it. 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:11.440 That's the basic premise. Romantic yeah prick. 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:13.360 Now. 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:18.040 Andrew blames that this PhD test alone, being able to 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.600 defend himself from angry women was fundamental to becoming a millionaire. 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.719 Right a little further down, though, in text within the 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.839 war Room, he complains that nothing he tries works as 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.719 well since he got famous right. Quote girls are too defensive. 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.560 They instantly assume you message every hot girl. It destroys 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:38.040 destroys PhD success rate seriously, unless you want to be 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.399 a sugar daddy, which I don't. So even he's like, yeah, 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.640 now that people know my face, nobody wants anything to 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:44.200 do with me. 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.600 Yeah, it's your face, asshole, That's what it is. 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.320 So he's just like basically admitting that, like, none of 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.279 this shit really works, but you just got to keep 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.960 trying and keep giving me money and yeah you'll get lucky. 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.799 Yeah, exactly. So he's breaking that his old techniques don't 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:05.400 work since he's been verified on social media. Quote girls 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.799 are too defensive. They instantly assume you message every hot 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:11.239 girl destroys PhD success right, seriously, unless you want to 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:14.560 be a sugar daddy, which I don't. Other members post 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:17.400 pictures of cars that they purportedly bought with funds earned 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.680 by their harems, and give blow by blow accounts of 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.680 their own flirtation journeys. A popular thing to post are 0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.239 messages from women that the poster has ignored as part 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.400 of Andrew's strategy hinders on denying attention in order to 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:31.640 build interest. So there's just like clips of women being 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:34.279 like when are you coming? Hi? Why are you ignoring me? 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.560 And like, see look at this win. I'm not responding 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.160 to this woman that I like. And it's just it's 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.160 both so dumb. Yeah, it's such like pickup artists and 0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.200 sell stuff and also such again it's a dentist system. 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:48.759 Artist. 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.600 It's negging. None of it's new. It's just been repackaged 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:57.719 in a way that it's been repackaged to sell an MLM. Right, 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.600 it doesn't matter if this works. Some number of men 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:03.960 will always I don't know if it's because of the 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.480 individual people they're going after or something about their care, 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:12.319 their their personal characteristics will be successful enough with this 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.160 to convince themselves that it's worth worth worthwhile. And ninety 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.440 nine percent will have nothing happen, but they'll pay for 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.160 long enough that it makes it worthwhile. Right, It's the 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.800 same thing with like, yes, some people sell Amway products, 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.239 or at least sell a few Amway products and then 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.160 get a lot of people to sign up for Amway, 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.239 and so they do make money. That's just about one 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.879 percent of Amway. Everyone else has kind of taken a bath. Now, 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.799 there's also kind of in the Vernieri vibe. Within these 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.920 kind of like the elite war room chats, there's a 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.879 lot of discussion on how to permanently mark women, which 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.600 is considered the open ultimate sign of success, that like, 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.120 you have gotten this person so in your spell that 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.880 you've gotten them to tattoo your name on their body. 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.320 This seems to be a core aspect of sivil wisest teachings. 0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:55.000 I think he's the main person who introduced this. It's 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:58.359 kind of unclear to me, but all these guys are 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.600 constantly posting either them a tempting to convince women to 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:06.600 do this, and you know there's this mix of like 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.799 people saying no and getting dumped. So this message here 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.360 is between like Tate. She's like showing him a tattoo 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:15.440 that she's got, and he's saying, like, I want you 0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.439 to get my name tattooed on you. I don't want 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:20.799 this like other tattoo. And she's asking him, like when 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.680 will we get married? And he says, you know, now, 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:27.160 as soon as you get the tattoo, and she's like, okay, 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:28.960 but then if you leave me, I'll still have your 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.319 name on my body and that's kind of fucked up. 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.319 And he's like, why would I leave? Are you saying 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.960 you're not going to be good to me? There's kind 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.880 of the most at the end here is she Eventually 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:40.879 he says, yes, it'll make me happy if you get 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.400 this tattoo, and she says, okay, I'll do it. I 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.439 cannot write great. My dad does not have to see. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:52.760 So I don't know how old this girl is. Too young, 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:57.440 it's very young. Again, this is these are the people 0:51:57.480 --> 0:51:59.279 that they are being reached out towards, right. 0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:00.440 These are not adults. 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.440 They're not people who are like, have mature brains. 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.880 Yeah, bigas but Shelby with your fingers, how big? 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.000 I'm very comfortable. 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.080 Yeah, it's gross. 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:12.040 Now. 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.799 The messages posted here are from back in twenty nineteens. 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.120 This is an older era of the war room, and 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.799 it's hard to say where things are now with the 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:23.880 culture there. Since the beginning of the litigation against Andrew, 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:26.640 when he was initially incarcerated, he made a lot of 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.840 claims that his war room friends would watch out for 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.279 his interests and even take care of his stuff while 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.799 he was away. There is an extent to which this 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:35.800 seems to be true, and we know of the network 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.719 suggest an intricate community and a number of people who 0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:42.160 do have resources and this kind of cult like devotion 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.560 to Andrew and to the group. Now there's been some 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:49.200 good work done to kind of layout who is involved 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.279 in this community. The BBC documentary did a lot of it. 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.840 Dullingcat did an article on it. One of these guys, 0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:57.960 you know, these people who are like these are both 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.319 folks who are presumably paying Andrew thousands or tens of 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.560 thousands of year a year, but are also like working 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.160 and getting money of their own. You might call them 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:08.759 the high level amway distributors of the war Room in 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:10.960 the real world. One of them is a guy who 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:14.880 has a YouTube channel called Sartorial Shooter. He's a former 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:17.920 Australian soldier and a current Dubai resident a lot of 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:21.759 Dubai residencies here, who claims to have gone into the 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:25.000 intelligence world and worked all around the planet. He claims 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:29.040 to have weapons and tactics trading facilities everywhere. Now, as 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:30.879 is always the case with these guys, that's a bit 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:35.359 of an exaggeration. His real name is Joel Sullivan. He's 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.719 one of the leading lights of the war Room. Bellincat 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.920 revealed that he was a former director of international security 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:45.440 for a global healthcare company, which is not a nothing job, 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.400 but it's not exactly James Bond. 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.800 He wants you to think he's like out here being. 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:54.400 He's some sort of like mercenary special operator spines like 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:58.320 now you worked for like a healthcare company directing security, 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.160 and again there's not nothing that, but it's not quite 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:05.280 what you're claiming it is exactly. Yeah. Another key general 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:09.240 of Andrews goes by the Twitter title First Prince of Wudan, 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.680 which will remember is he's got this sort of pretend 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:13.800 mythic story about how he learned to be a martial 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.880 arts master. The actual guy behind this account is a 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:21.160 current Delta pilot and a former US Air Force major 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.640 who the BBC detailed posting about his use of Tates 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.600 techniques to try and coerce women into doing sex work 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:31.040 for his financial benefit. Yeah, it's all just like the 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:35.920 grossest dudes. Like some of them do have money, so 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.320 it is like, it's not like these are like the 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.759 people at the top. Number one, they're generally people who 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.480 have had a degree of success before getting involved in 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.279 andrew Tates things. So number one, they have some money 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.280 of their own, so they're able to like bootstrap themselves 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.520 until they can make money getting you know, affiliates, basically 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:57.920 pulling people in and selling them on subscriptions which they 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.239 seem to get a cut of. And they're also just 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.239 people who have been more successful. They're older, so they 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:05.960 can kind of replicate some degree of the scams that 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.440 Andrew has carried out. And I really think like that's 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.480 all that's going on here with these guys. None of 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.279 them are. Andrew wants them to look like they're like 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.520 the secret masters of the world, and they're not that. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.080 They're guys who are probably making like mid to low 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:22.920 six figure salaries, like they're doing well. They've got positions 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.879 that afford them a decent degree of income and they 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.239 want to be more. And so I think a lot 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.040 of this for them and why it's worth, you know, 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.239 a pilot that kind of income you can afford to 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.520 throw eight grand at some shit like this, especially if 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.880 you're making some of it back through whatever the affiliate 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.960 scheme pays you, and maybe the fantasy of being part 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:44.359 of this like elite group of men is worth more 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.680 to you than whatever amount of money that you kind 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:47.640 of burn going on. 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:49.880 It's like speaks to a larger issue, like it's not 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.439 about the money for them or like trying to get rich. 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.080 It's like a deeper issue like the control of women 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:57.400 and manipulating people and everything. 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:01.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now there's a lot that I could 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:05.279 really get into, like more stuff about all this here. 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:08.520 One of the more difficult parts of doing this was 0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.080 knowing how to what to cut out and what to include. 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:13.279 I do want to note one thing, which is that 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:17.000 some of the one of my favorite uh uh, one 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.560 of my favorite side facts of this is there's some 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:23.000 messages that Tristan Tate posts to the warm about how 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.600 a guy named Ivan Throne is crashing on their couch 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:29.919 in Romania. Have either of you heard of Ivan Thrown No, 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:36.359 So he's he's he's a really low grade man fluencer hack. 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:39.400 He's like a big bearded dude who always poses in 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.480 like a suit or he's got like kind of like 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:44.479 a fucking go tee. He always poses in a suit. 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.040 He wrote this book about like the dark triad Man, 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.600 which is like, I know, using the power of sociopathy 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:54.000 in order to like make yourself a better business leader 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:55.719 or whatnot. And he used to do he did. He 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.120 had a tight style griff that just didn't do well 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.080 called throne Dynamics, where like men would pay to go 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:04.360 to these summits where they'd eat steak and smoke cigars 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.239 and talk about, you know, make connections about their their 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:10.880 great businesses, which are again mostly like pick up artistry, 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:15.200 like right wing like like low grade right wing propaganda bullshit. 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.280 And the reason I bring up Ivan is that he 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:20.200 was part of my favorite moment in the history of Twitter. 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.000 So I'm going to share that with you. So he 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.240 posts a picture of there's this like very photorealistic statue 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.640 of like a beautiful young white lady with long flowing hair. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.480 The fabric work on the statue is really nice, Like 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.760 you can see she's got this sheer shirt. It's like 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.800 it's it's like a sexy sculpture right, Like it's definitely 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:42.000 meant to be and anost she's gotten nipples. 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:42.800 It's provocative. 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.800 It's provocative, and even posts this to his Twitter account 0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.800 and says, this is called art. This is the legacy 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.000 and heritage of the West. This is what the men 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:55.120 of the West fight, sacrifice and die for. This is 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:59.560 victory hashtag deis volt and one of his followers asks him, 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.080 is there an example of a female sculptor who committed 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.080 himself to the same level of detail that a man 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.920 does with a woman. And Ivan responds, none that come 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.680 to mind. That sculpture's an act of worship before Heaven 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:12.400 and it shows. And someone just responds with a picture 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.280 of the artist next to its sculptor and says, the 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:21.920 sculptor is a Chinese woman, You dorkass looseness fucking knocked 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.720 he and he just like that was it for Ivan, 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.560 Like I understand why he's crashing on Andrew tates couch 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.320 for a while, because that just fucking nukes him as 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:34.160 a human, going and learning that like Tristan Tates his buddy, 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.080 and he was like bumming like CouchSurfing with the Tates 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:41.200 in twenty nineteen twenty. Extremely fucking funny to me. Now. 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.400 One of the other things that's kind of missed, the 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:46.840 great mysteries that's answered from these leaks is why Andrew 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.840 keeps coming back tromania, which I had to have to 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.280 admit as I kept looking through like what he's doing, 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.920 what's going on with him? This was like a constant 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:56.240 thing for me, like why in the fuck is this 0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:58.920 guy not He's got he does have money. He's not poor. 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.040 He's got millions at least that they still didn't have 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:04.080 access to. They didn't get everything. He has friends in Dubai, 0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:06.480 he is able to. He could get a permanent residency 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.480 in the Dubai. And if you think you might go 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:10.720 to prison for all of your sex crimes and you're 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.280 this guy, Dubai is where you want to wind up. 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.800 And the fact that he visited and then came back, 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.440 that he went back to Romania. I didn't know why 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:21.120 until I found this post of his on the war 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:25.240 room that I think kind of explains it. Right. I've 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.080 been everywhere, and let me tell you a few things. 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.200 The world is basically the same. Temples and churches are bullshit, 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:31.800 and you're better off finding the best spot you can 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.480 and becoming a local force than float around all day 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:36.960 like a digital nomad dork. There's no club on Earth 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.320 better than the club here in Romania. I have twenty 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:42.000 girls at the table, Security knows me, no one fucks 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.760 with me. Why leave? And I think that really gets 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.360 right down to it is he's like he's found his place, 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:52.160 and he's pretty confident that Romania will botch the prosecution 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.400 against him enough that he can continue to live there. 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:56.600 And I think he doesn't really want to live in 0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:00.360 Dubai because as much of a like stereotypical place as 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:03.320 it is for guys like him, it doesn't have the 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:06.680 same kind of opportunities for the sort of debauchery that 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.040 he's into, right. It just there. It's a stricter culture 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:12.560 in some ways than that even for some guys with money, 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.000 and he could if he was posting the kind of 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.840 videos that he tends to post, he could get in 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:20.880 trouble at some point. And I think he's just he's 1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:24.720 just convinced of the fact that he can make this 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.040 work for himself. That's that's really what I'm saying. 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:30.080 Yeah, and that's a god in Romania, is like why 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:32.400 would I go anywhere else? Like I write pretty good here? 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:35.760 Yeah, and he might get away, yeah you know, Yeah, 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:39.080 all right, that's what I got. That's the Andrew Tate update. 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:40.120 That's where he is right now. 1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:42.320 So it sounds like he's still a piece of shit. 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:48.480 Okay, still a piece of shit. Update Ill, yep, update, 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:51.480 you gross guy. We're done with him for a while. Again, 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:54.360 Probably don't have to go back to Andrew taituh for 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.800 a minute, until until some of this court cases get 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:03.760 more adjudicated. Right, yeah, yeah, I guess yeah. 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:05.040 Gross. 1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.680 So that's it. That's our update on Andrew. 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.120 Uh, and you have anything you want to plug. 1:01:11.040 --> 1:01:14.000 I just want to plug the Los Angeles Lakers and 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:17.240 Mike Glorious King Lebron James. The playoffs are about to start, 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:19.960 Lakers in five That's all I gotta say. And Uh, 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:21.959 listen to Hood Politics. It's a good show. 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:26.240 Listen to Hood Politics. It's a good show. Don't subscribe 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:27.960 to the war Room, Sophie. We should have a place 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:29.960 people can give us eight thousand dollars a year if 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:31.720 they want to. Wouldn't that be nice? 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.040 Coolest, the coolest Zone Media. 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:34.480 We're not. 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:35.880 We're not that desperate. 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:39.640 Give me eight thousand dollars Zone Media. 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.760 Wherever I ask you for eight thousand dollars, it's not us. 1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:45.440 It's a scam terribly. 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:53.160 I say, it's definitely me. Yeah, you know, in which 1:01:53.200 --> 1:01:56.160 case it's definitely me. I would never lie to you 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:59.160 unless someone cloned my my voice with AI, in which 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:00.280 case I would definitely that we. 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:00.680 Lie to you. 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:09.040 Oh God, you know, Andrew Tate isn't great. 1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:09.800 My mate, Lakers. 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:13.120 Lakers. 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:15.959 I'm gonna like stand outside in the sun or some ship. 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.240 They don't even play today. I'm just excited. 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:21.480 Yeah great. 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:27.560 Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.520 For more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:34.560 Zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:37.800 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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