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Speaker 1: Also media, Oh boy, welcome to Behind the Bastards, a

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Speaker 1: podcast where tired people talk about a guy they hate,

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Speaker 1: in this case Andrew Tate. How are we all doing today?

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Speaker 1: Everybody pull of energy? You just don't know, as the

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Speaker 1: kids say. I don't think the kids say that.

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Speaker 2: Ready to go. Playoffs are about to start, Lakers and five,

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Speaker 2: so we're good to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good. Lakers in five sounds like a

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Speaker 1: positive development.

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Speaker 3: I had a really enjoyable experience of texting Robert late

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Speaker 3: on Sunday when he was very intoxicated a picture of

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Speaker 3: the Labarbie that I've pur purchased, which is Lebron James Kendall,

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Speaker 3: and Robert like call me and go, Sophie, what is this?

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Speaker 2: And it's just beautiful is what it is?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, it makes me happy, That's what

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 2: The amount of grown men like standing in line trying

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Speaker 2: to get this dolls just it's you can't make it.

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Speaker 1: They made like a g I Joe, a m or

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Speaker 1: is it a is it a Barbie brand?

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Speaker 4: Now it's like it's a doll.

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Speaker 1: Made a Lebron Kindle. Well he's really finally arrived.

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Speaker 4: I guess yeah, it's sold out so fast, but I

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Speaker 4: was well, I was there, I did it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that's the lowest percentage of Barbie dolls

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Speaker 4: Probably probably true, probably true.

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Speaker 3: But it's you know what, it made me happy for

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Speaker 3: like forty five minutes, and when I look at it,

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Speaker 3: all feel joy and like the world sucks.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, joy sounds nice.

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Speaker 2: Take the winds where we can get them.

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Speaker 1: I remember joy that's been replaced with occasional sleep. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of things that bring me joy, this is not

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Speaker 1: one of them. Because today we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: yet again about our friend Andrew Tait, who is not

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Speaker 1: our friend.

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Speaker 3: But who is our friend is super residing producer Ian Johnson,

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Speaker 3: who's here once again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me back. You can't wait to

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Speaker 2: hear more about the.

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Speaker 1: Horrors Ian Johnson.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that. Don't do that. No, No, Robert,

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Speaker 2: I've had thirty five years of that. Please don't contribute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, none of that, man, it's it's I've been I

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Speaker 1: had a good I always love it when there's like

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Speaker 1: really really like stereotypically cheesy names in an action movie.

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Speaker 1: And I just watched that very good movie Novakane starting

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Speaker 1: a Guy from the Boys about a dude who can't

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Speaker 1: portraying it both as like a disability and realistically showing

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Speaker 1: how he could use it, like to his advantage in

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Speaker 1: a fight. And it's like very cringey because you're constantly

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Speaker 1: watching this guy like permanently damage his body. But it's

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Speaker 1: a hoot. But they made the real character's name Nathan Kane,

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Speaker 1: which is like, okay, guys, oh that's a little Was

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Speaker 1: that necessary?

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Speaker 2: Did you have to?

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Speaker 1: I know it's going to that's going to come out

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Speaker 1: out in a pitch meeting, like, oh what if we

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Speaker 5: You didn't.

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Speaker 4: You didn't need to.

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Speaker 1: Most of the movies pretty grounded, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: what works about it. And then like that happens and

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Speaker 2: Come on, you're so close.

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Speaker 1: There's also a scene where a bunch of bank robbers

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Speaker 1: this is the San Diego Police Department. You're telling me

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Speaker 1: they don't just empty their fucking rifles into that fucking

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Speaker 2: I won't deal with the lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: Later We'll watched the LAPD shoot up a trader Joe's

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Speaker 2: We don't need that shit here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, speaking of shit nobody needs, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Andrew Tait and his digital empire, how it works. Today's

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Speaker 1: very expensive premium service that costs about eight grand a

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about how these work, how Tate has

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Speaker 1: But first, that's the cold open. We're done, We're back

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Speaker 1: and Sophie and I are commenting on our same colored drinks.

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Speaker 3: What's yours, mine's electrolyte.

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Speaker 1: Water minds, some mix of BCAAs and water. Because this

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Speaker 1: is ostensibly a workout day that yeah, has been a

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Speaker 1: get whatever those chemicals are. People say they do something sensational. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the doctors say, speaking of things that do something.

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Speaker 1: The war room and so the real world is is

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Speaker 1: And this is again there's maybe five hundred people in

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Speaker 1: real world is filled with young men who have ambitions

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Speaker 1: to be small scale digital pimps, but don't really have

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Speaker 1: So that's why they were able to Like there's photos

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Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty four, a group of anonymous activists

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Speaker 1: the larger platform and the cyber attack exposed the data

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Speaker 1: also every time, every time these pieces of shit, It's

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Speaker 1: So both leaks are interesting for different reasons. But I

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Speaker 1: copy claims it as quote the world's most advanced financial

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, the Hustlers University thing, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, yes, and so's there's all just like scams

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Speaker 1: there are all these like drop shipping scams and AI

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Speaker 1: The platform provides courses on common like passive income schemes.

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Speaker 5: Ah.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about Andrew Tait, mind control wizard, you

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Speaker 1: like use chat ept to remix it into a guy

437
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: with bad tattoos. So I find that I find that

438
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,239
Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, Now the stuff I read these kind

439
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 1: of these clips advertising the PhD system, like the way

440
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: in which he describes it in this advertisement is disgusting.

441
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: But in other interviews he's dropped additional hints about some

442
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: of the curriculum, which does include physical violence. So I

443
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: played that clip earlier about Tate talking about using a

444
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: machete on a woman who caught him cheating, right about

445
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: like you know what happens if she catches you cheating

446
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: and she tries to attack you, and he says, you know,

447
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: hit her in the face of the machete.

448
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 5: Right.

449
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: This is something he talks about a lot, and it's

450
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: it's this this mix of like stuff like that, these

451
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: like extreme this extreme violence, and then these tactics that

452
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: are almost like quaint, right, Like he one thing he'll

453
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: tell people to do is to start your relationship with

454
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: ordering by ordering the woman in question to bring you

455
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: a box of chocolates. H And at first I was like, oh,

456
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: is this just this is just like very basic, like

457
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: almost fifties era stuff, But no, it's it turns out

458
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: it's more related to like this neuro linguistic programming technique

459
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: where you get someone doing you favors and you use

460
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: that to ask them to do other favors. And Tate

461
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: clearly he doesn't even really seem to grasp much of

462
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: like the underlying logic here because when he there's there's

463
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: male BBC journalists who tries to interview him for this

464
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,479
Speaker 1: documentary on this leaked stuff. Wants to interview Tate, and

465
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: Tate does the same thing, tries to get him to

466
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: bring a box of chocolates and hand them directly to

467
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Andrew and the journalist that's like talk to his editors

468
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: to see it. And there's this whole weird It's what

469
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: he's trying to do is he's trying to establish a

470
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: pattern of obedience because he thinks that lets him manipulate people.

471
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: That it's like this hack to get into someone's brain.

472
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: If you get them doing one favor to you, they'll

473
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: do other favors to you. This is very old power

474
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: of positive thinking, salesmanship kind of stuff. You'll get this

475
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: in stuff going back to the nineteen fifties, including a

476
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: lot of like the Norman Vincent Peeale shit that Donald

477
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: Trump was being raised on as a kid. I've seen

478
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: versions of this that go back decades and the thing

479
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. As time goes on, you're supposed

480
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: to give the subject of your focus more tasks, and

481
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 1: you let your language get increasingly strict. You start by

482
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 1: asking like, hey, would you do this for me, and

483
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: you in by giving them commands right where like, this

484
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 1: is what we're doing today, this is your job for

485
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: the day, this is what you have to do for

486
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: the day. And at the same time, and this is

487
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: the thing that I think actually makes much more of

488
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: an impact effectively. You're also supposed to be isolating your

489
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: target from their family and social support network, so you're

490
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: getting them in the habit of doing things that you say,

491
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: and you're also cutting them off from their friends and

492
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: family so they don't have anyone else in their life.

493
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: But you I want people who would ostensibly be like, hey,

494
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: what are you doing? This is kind of sucking weird.

495
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing everything this guy tells you. Are you

496
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: working sixteen hours a day? Like on doing an only

497
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: fans that he gets the money from, Like that seems

498
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up. Now, I want to play you

499
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: a clip linked leaked from one of these in person

500
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: seminars he gives on mentally dominating women. The question he's

501
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: asked right before giving this answer, is can you say

502
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: more about the restrictions and boundaries that you put on

503
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: a woman in terms of who she can talk.

504
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: To trigger warning Andrew Tate's voice.

505
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 6: Well, her family, right, she really strong, soial, So that's all.

506
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 5: No more around saying and then we're gonna catch that's

507
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 5: all business their side story. Only you're about nine out.

508
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: Why that line just pass? It gets in there. It's

509
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 5: not time And the things we're talking about us are excitement.

510
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: He never catching all these things time into ice and

511
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 5: taking away from the house, every house.

512
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: All.

513
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate this guy.

514
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: So disgusting, the smallest little man in the world because

515
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: women won't shut the fuck up.

516
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 4: It's like, well, I.

517
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: Mean it's it's taking this very basic misogyny because you're again,

518
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: his audience is not it's framed aus like we're an

519
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: alliance of powerful men, you know, making sure they're more powerful.

520
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: But his audience is all guys who have never like

521
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not even guys. It's children, right, it's

522
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: kids on the world. Are you right?

523
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: Are you really powerful if you can't handle your partner

524
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: having Checksnos, a friend.

525
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: Friend, no, No, But like this is these people. Most

526
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: of these people have never had partners, right and and

527
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: the Tate and kind of the older men who are

528
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: running things they've got. They're all jacked. They're all generally

529
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: on gear. They're all they all have like nice tailored clothes.

530
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: They all either have or rent sports cars. And these

531
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: little kids are minds, are just putty in their hands.

532
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: They like see they see the physical symbols of wealth

533
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: that these people have, and they're like, well then they

534
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: must know what they're doing, Like this must all be

535
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: the path to get what I want. And this is

536
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: pretty classic cult leader behavior, both from Tate influencing these

537
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: young people and the stuff he's telling them to do

538
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: to women. Right and he frames this as saying, like,

539
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: there's no perfect girl for you. You have to make her.

540
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: You have to make her using these techniques, right and,

541
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: per a quote from The Daily Dot, which originally published

542
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these leaked war room videos. In another

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: clip from the same meeting, Tate explains why the woman

544
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: his members want to date should not have normal jobs.

545
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: If she has a normal job, she's got a social circle,

546
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: she's got a support network, Tate, the moones, She's having

547
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of conversations you don't know about. She knows

548
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes who are trying to get in

549
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: her ear. No, she has concerns which aren't involving you, right,

550
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: and that's a problem. Tate says. Her brain power is

551
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: dedicated to things that have nothing to do with you.

552
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: It's a massive influence. And there is this like deep insecurity,

553
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: right that if you will anything else in you cause

554
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: you're going to be you're going to make her miserable.

555
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 5: Right.

556
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: You have no desire or intention to actually like be

557
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: in a relationship with someone or provide them with anything

558
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: they need. You're preerly trying to take things from them,

559
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: and it's obvious that's not going to make anyone happy.

560
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to run through another section of this curriculum

561
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: from Tate's PhD. So this is from that same clip

562
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: that gets played around a lot of Andrew Tate talking

563
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: about hitting women with a machete. What's not usually played

564
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: in the context when people discuss this, because I've seen

565
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: like all of the big interviews that he's done recently,

566
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: he gets asked about this. What's not played is that

567
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: this is him talking about like one of the physical

568
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: tests that you have to pass in order to get

569
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: this PhD degree. And I really wish people would talk

570
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: about this because this is kind of one of the

571
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: more like fucked up things I've heard about in relation

572
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: to what Tate is actually trying to teach the people

573
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: who take his classes.

574
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 5: And what about my PhD.

575
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: We had to practice if a girl comes.

576
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 6: At you and you cheat it, you cheat it, it's

577
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 6: bang on the machete, boom in her face.

578
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: This is the actual full context is like this is

579
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: part of a test you have to like in order

580
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: to pass this degree. You have to take a physical

581
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: test on how you would defend yourself against one of

582
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: these women you're trafficking, catching youat cheating, Like that's the

583
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: actual context of.

584
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: All of this insane.

585
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, like just the fact that

586
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: like you're building in well, obviously your people are going

587
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: to get attacked because the stuff that they're they're doing

588
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: is so like incredibly gross. We have to try and

589
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: like train them to fight these women that were also

590
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: teaching them to try and like mentally dominate, which is

591
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: simultaneously this admission that like the tactics don't work that well.

592
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: So you're going, yeah, his stance there, if I'm understanding correctly,

593
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: is if woman speaks in a way you don't like,

594
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: you slice them. Yeah.

595
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exciting, and you have to train people to

596
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: slice them. Yeah machete, Yeah yeah, with your terrible machete.

597
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: And that's why you have it. It's not because you're

598
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: being targeted by the deep state and the matrix. It's

599
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: because your girlfriends are going to get angry at you

600
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to hit them.

601
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

602
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: That's insane.

603
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So giving speeches like this and this is like

604
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: part of the curriculum for this this PhD program, you know,

605
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: sold on in the real world and operated as a

606
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: prerequisite for getting into the war room. Making stuff like

607
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: this is how Tate makes his money now. Right, He

608
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: is not primarily in the pimping business anymore because that

609
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: doesn't make nearly is It's an MLM thing, right, It's

610
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: an MLM that sells being a pimp.

611
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 5: Right.

612
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: This is the same as like Douterra or whatever. But

613
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: your business is like coercing women in the working on

614
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: camera for you. And Tate's at the top now, so

615
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to actually have to do that. There's

616
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: much more money in making content like this. Now, the

617
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: purpose of all of these programs is to get people

618
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 1: to buy other classes, right, that's what's really sold. The

619
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: real world's fifty bucks a month, but if you want

620
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: to get this degree, it's another four hundred dollars. The

621
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: war rooms eight grand a year. But there are access

622
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: to additional secret chat rooms that cost thousands of additional

623
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: dollars a year, right, And there's access to classes that

624
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: cost thousands more. And there's all these in person gatherings

625
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: that cost money. And one of Tate's mottos is that

626
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: no great man ever ever got there on his own, right,

627
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: so's he says, like, you need these, you need to

628
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: be part of this network. And it's all so familiar

629
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: to like the mL the standard MLN schema when you

630
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: really look at it like that. And that's what's really

631
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: changed my understanding of Tate from this is an influencer

632
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: who is mobilizing his fan base to make himself more famous,

633
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: to this is a guy who, whatever his initial goal was,

634
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: he's now amway. He's now the amway of hitting women, right, Like,

635
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: That's that's what Andrew Tate's businesses.

636
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: It's got Keith Ranieri energy Yeah.

637
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about Keith Ranieri, because there's

638
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Keith Ranieri to Andrew Tait, and I

639
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: think to some extent it's maybe if Tate had come

640
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: up in an earlier era, before all the anti woke

641
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: stuff got as big as it was, before the far

642
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: right was ascendant, he would have tried more for the

643
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: culturally kind of like left wing image that a guy

644
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: like Ranieri cultivated, where like no, no, no, I'm part

645
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: of like this progressive movement empowering women. I think Andrew

646
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: might have gone in that direction, he probably wouldn't have

647
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: been as successful because I think he's just kind of

648
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: inherently also a dick, but he's he he's certainly shaped

649
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: by like the tides of history around him. Now, former

650
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: members of the War Room not only are they being

651
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: kind of taught to groom these women that they're trafficking

652
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: in a culty way, they also described the war Room

653
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: as a cult itself. And the basis of that BBC

654
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: report is that the leader of the actual cult inside

655
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: the War Room isn't even Tait. He's just the figurehead,

656
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: the individual responsible for most of this content and curriculum

657
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: and for the culture of the platform is a completely

658
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: different guy who goes by the pseudonym Iggy simmelweis in

659
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: the war room, right, And I'm not one hundred percent

660
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: in agreement with the BBC on the how much this

661
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: guy is actually running things behind the scenes, but he's

662
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: certainly a major figure. He is a real person. Will

663
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: give his real name. His nickname is odd to me.

664
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: When I first heard Iggy Simolwiz, I was like, that

665
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: sounds familiar, and me being me, whenever I'm like, well,

666
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: that guy's name sounds familiar, my assumption is like, so

667
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: he's some sort of Nazi, right, Like this is some

668
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: sort of guy. But I look him up and I

669
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: remember where I read about him from because he's someone

670
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I've intended to tell his story on bastards for a while.

671
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: He's actually not a bastard, but there's a lot of

672
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: awful stuff in his story. Ignat simbilwise was a real

673
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: guy and a really the precise opposite of a bad guy.

674
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: He was a he was a Hungarian German doctor, and

675
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: he's the guy who was basically first in like an

676
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: organized way making the scientific case for like, hey, we

677
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: should use an as sceptics. You know, people always die

678
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: when we give surgery or we cut off their limbs.

679
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: What if we like cleaned things first, what if we

680
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: cleared this song?

681
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: Great? What a great idea, my guy. Yeah, great idea.

682
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good guy.

683
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: He was a good guy.

684
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was who.

685
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: Really really really really really likes hand sanitizer.

686
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

687
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Wellay, symbol Weis is the father of hands out. He's

688
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: also the father. He was the first major figure who

689
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: was like a respected Western scientist to be like, surgeons

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: and doctors should probably wash their fucking hands right.

691
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 4: Clean is somebody who unfortunately surgery this year. Thank you,

692
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: my guy.

693
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Wow, now you say it at Sophie, but it turns

694
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: out that no, he was fine. But at a certain

695
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: period of time, telling doctors that they needed to wash

696
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: their hands was very dangerous because if you're telling doctors, hey,

697
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: before you reach your hand into someone's chest cavity, you

698
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: should like wash it with like soap and stuff, you're

699
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: telling doctors your hands are covered in germs that get

700
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: people sick. And doctors are better than regular people, right,

701
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: they are educated gentlemen. And if you're telling an educated gentleman,

702
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: you're dirty and you might get a poor person sick

703
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: by touching inside of their body. That is deeply offensive,

704
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: and it really pissed off a lot of people, so

705
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: many that Simowiz was hounded into a like hounded into

706
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: like having a mental break and then forced into a

707
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: mental asylum where he was beaten by guards and died

708
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: of an infected injury because because they were washing their

709
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: fucking hands.

710
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean, god, I do get a lot of joy

711
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: when I know something that my doctor brother doesn't.

712
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the father of being, Like, wash your fucking hands, people, God,

713
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: now everybody.

714
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: Just so tiny, just so tiny, wash your hands.

715
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: I mean they do it.

716
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: Now, they got around do it. We just had to

717
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: lose illuminary first. Now again, the pick this name. I

718
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I don't know because he has nothing

719
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: to do with this guy right, other than maybe he

720
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: feels like he I guess I could make a clickcase

721
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: that like, oh, he probably sees the world he's in

722
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: is filled with like germs, which is, you know, other

723
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: people having rights, And maybe he's the he's he's the

724
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: persecuted doctor who like sees the way things should be.

725
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Step away from the computer screen, touch grass, go to therapy.

726
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't want this guy to go do anything.

727
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: The real dude is an American named Miles Sonkin, Right,

728
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: that's the actual guy.

729
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: Who Yeah, all right.

730
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, weird little guy. The BBC got access

731
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: to a bunch of leaked chats for its documentary The

732
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: Man Who Groomed the World. The journalists behind it, Matt Say,

733
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: came up with the opinion that Sonkan is the brains

734
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: and the igeological weight behind Tate's whole war room operation.

735
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: And he makes a pretty good case. Again, I disagree

736
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: with aspects of Shay has put more time into this

737
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: than I have, and he spent a lot of time

738
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: around Tait. He's met Sonkan in person, He's met a

739
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: number of key figures here. Somebody yield to his expertise,

740
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: even though I'm not sure I agree with him entirely.

741
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about who this guy is, but first

742
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about who our advertisers are, other than great people,

743
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: which they are. Sonkan was born in Chicago nineteen sixty one,

744
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: and he's been described in interviews by family members as

745
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: a smart kid. And here's the most dangerous word we

746
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: ever used on the show. He was also an autodidact. Right,

747
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: So he's this kid who learns a lot on his

748
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: own and doesn't really go to high school but educates himself. Now, unfortunately,

749
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: when you do that, there tend to be holes in

750
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: your education.

751
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: I feel get pretty siloed into some Yeah.

752
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: This is one of our great problems, is that if

753
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: the things you're interested in wind up being worth a

754
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: lot of money, you can get by never learning about

755
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: anything else and also convincing yourself that you understand the

756
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: world because you've made a lot of money. And I

757
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what's going to happen to Sonken.

758
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: And he pays an initial he pays initially some like

759
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: consequences for it because he immediately gets.

760
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: Cited in a picture of the guy. That's why his

761
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: face is doing that.

762
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he does. He does look like a wizard, right,

763
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: he looks like an evil wizard.

764
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so bad. This beard is terrible.

765
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

766
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'll believe he's using the fucking dnnist

767
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: system to get his get himself a harem.

768
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Malcolm, please insert a picture here, please, there's

769
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: there's a good one.

770
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: You'll know which one.

771
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, wizard. So his self education makes him kind of

772
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: vulnerable to getting taken advantage of as a young man,

773
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: and as a result, he joins two different cults right

774
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: when he's a young person. Are sially two different organizations

775
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: widely regarded as colts, and the second is the Rajniche movement,

776
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: who was the focus of the Netflix documentary Wild Wild Country.

777
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: So he gets sucked into that for a while as

778
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: a young man, and I think like the eighties night,

779
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: late eighties or nineties now the details of his specific

780
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: involvement in either cult are not available at this time,

781
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: but over the years Son can evolve from a spiritual

782
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: seeker into someone who believed that he in fact had

783
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: the answers. During the early age of the social Internet,

784
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: he became a pick up artist and was one of

785
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: the first prominent ones online serting like the late nineties

786
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: early two thousands, he's like on the ground flow or

787
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: of pick up artistry as like an online subculture. He

788
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: gets really interested in hypnosis and neurolinguistic programming alongside this,

789
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: and he began become an advocate of mind controlling women

790
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: by repeating certain words and phrases. You might recognize this

791
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: as Pavlovian training. Applied to dating, and he seems to

792
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: be the origin of Tates. You know, get him to

793
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: bring you chocolate, you know, establish a pattern of obedience

794
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: in order to break their ability to think separately from you. Now.

795
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: Sonken is also a self described wizard. He believes he's

796
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: literally casting spells on people. He does that to this

797
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: journalist when he tries to like interview Andrew Tait, Well,

798
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: he does have like a little bit of a Sarramon

799
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: if Saramon got his hair down behind a seven to

800
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: eleven block. Sonken is a self described wizard, and as

801
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: he got into magic, he got more interested in the

802
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: self in the more esoteric segments of the far right

803
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: through the early aughts, the like weird hitlerism shit, and

804
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: this is a growing up kind of the most part

805
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: before people become super aware of it and then Gamergate

806
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: helps flood a lot of it and then the alt right.

807
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: Sonken is kind of right in the middle of that.

808
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: He and Tate seem to have started working together in

809
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and at this point, Andrew Tate is basically

810
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: a late undergrowth of the pickup artist community focused on

811
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: camera sex work type stuff. It's unclear how Miles is

812
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: involved with him, but I think he probably helps to

813
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: write and formulate a lot of the courses that Andrew

814
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: was selling during this period. A former member of the

815
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: war Room, which was established in twenty nineteen, describes Iggy

816
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: as at the top and the real leader of the platform,

817
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I don't know if I like

818
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: taking away credit from Tate for being, you know, a

819
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: puppet master, but these guys are both definitely partners, you know.

820
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: And the kind of things Tate's teaching a lot of

821
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: these are not things he came up with himself or

822
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 1: wrote himself. They think similwise kind of had on deck

823
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: that Tate decided to slap his name on. And even

824
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: this has layers right when a former member described the

825
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: war Room as a bunch of telegram chats, some for

826
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: business or girls or money, but there are more prestigious

827
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: rooms that users who have already put in thousands of

828
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: dollars are expected to shill out thousands more to join

829
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: in messages on the Warroom telegram we can see song

830
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: and posting as similwize and giving the same advice Tate

831
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: gives from that speech we listened to earlier, And this

832
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: is a message from him to war reim members. Isolating

833
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: her from her family, friends, past is the kindest thing

834
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: you can do for her if you are taking responsibility

835
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: for having sole authority over her.

836
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: And then in.

837
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: Another post, we deliberately reduce attention and note if she chases,

838
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: then we set up a coffee date and execute a

839
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: move to find if she's willing to pay for our

840
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: coffee and serve us. After that, it becomes a series

841
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: of gradual steps to remove her entire support structure from

842
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: her life. Then we punish her for a transgression real

843
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: or imagined by having her get our name tattooed on her,

844
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: leaving her family's home, apartment, town country, webcamming, and stripping

845
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: walking the track for us, getting us girls. Escalate, Escalate, escalate.

846
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: So this is really Keith Ranierie stuff doing the branding

847
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: thing right where you have to get tattoos or scarify

848
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: yourself with the name of this guy.

849
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty gross.

850
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: It's pretty gross. Now, I think it'd be wise if

851
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: you wanted to do so, to view the war Room

852
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: and the real world as kind of a modern day

853
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: answer to the Church of Scientology.

854
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's so many parallels. I was thinking that

855
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: this entire time.

856
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: A ton of parallels, and obviously Hubbard is a reflection

857
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: of the big self help culture of his time. The

858
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: scientology starts off as an offshoot of the self improvement

859
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: movement with a book called Dianetics, which instructed readers on

860
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: a series of exercises that would clear them of trauma

861
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: and bad habits and make them superhuman. One of the

862
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: dominant subcultures of the early Internet age, as I've said,

863
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: was the pickup artist scene, and the inherent scamminess of

864
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: a lot of this culture influenced the growth of the

865
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: modern YouTube scam economy, as well as the ecosystem of

866
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: far right content creators who helped break the Trump administration.

867
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: So it does make sense that Tait and Sonkean would

868
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: form a cult What is at its around what is

869
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: at its essence rebranded pickup artistry. The BBC documentary makes

870
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: it sound like this was all Sonkan's plan from the beginning,

871
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: and it quotes former members who described his ultimate goal

872
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: as world domination through the spread of his ideology. Right,

873
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: he wants to get this to everybody. He wants to

874
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: take over the world with this, and I but Also,

875
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: how is anyone going to make money with their camera

876
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: businesses in that future? Sure, it's like if you wanted

877
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: to take over the world by building a bunch of

878
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: tire shops, well, at a certain point your tire shops

879
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: aren't going to be worth any money. There's two Do

880
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: you not understand supply and demand? I don't know, not

881
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the most logical.

882
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 3: Uh movement math not adding up at all?

883
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the maths not really adding up. So Samuel Quinone's

884
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: was interviewed for a Vice article. This is a He

885
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: is a founding member of the War Room, but says

886
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: that he quit about six months in because quote, I

887
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: recognize the upselling of useless courses and events, much like

888
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: an MLM.

889
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 3: Okay and okay, so dumbino hard enough to leave.

890
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right. There's another guy who's like, yeah, I was

891
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: working on their socials for a while. I didn't realize

892
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: there were trafficking women. And the interview asked like, do

893
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: you feel bad for that? And he's like, well, no,

894
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what was going on. Okay, man,

895
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. There were still some unknowns, such as

896
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: how much financial advantage is taken of in the warm

897
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: Inner Circle members. Right, we don't know if Andrew's getting

898
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: money from each of these guys in the war room,

899
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: a cut of their profits from, you know, trafficking women.

900
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: We do know that about one percent of the people

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: who join actually get a lot of money, which is

902
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: not super different from amway.

903
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: Right. Yeah.

904
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, like, were there any like success

905
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: stories or people who actually did get rich from this,

906
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: and it sounds like no.

907
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: It's hard to really tell, but I mean, I'm sure

908
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: there are definitely people making money from having women do

909
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: this for them, but anyone who winds up net in

910
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: the black is fairly rare. Mahmood, a former member, told

911
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: Vice there was no that was making any real money,

912
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: he said, citing conversations he had with other students in

913
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: the platform's chat rooms and the empty win section on

914
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 1: most users' profiles attract a lack of earnings. These people

915
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: inside there that are reliving, that are leaving their schools

916
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: the units to pursue this, he said, adding that one

917
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: of his friends on the platform told him that he

918
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: had abandoned his university studies to go all in on

919
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: the program. Oh no, I don't know. I don't know, Like,

920
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: if you could be convinced not to go to university

921
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: because you're hoping that like you could become the next

922
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate. Maybe you shouldn't be getting whatever degree you

923
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: were getting.

924
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: Right, there's this like trend on TikTok right now that's like,

925
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: uh needed I just needed a hug thing. It's like, yeah, fuck,

926
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: did something did something like crazy, but really just needed

927
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: a hug.

928
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: And it's just so many of these things. I'm like,

929
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 4: you just need like.

930
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: One person like aware, like one person being aware of

931
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: what was going on your left be like hey no no, no, no,

932
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: no no, that's an MLM, or like uh no no no, no,

933
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: no no no manosphere, manosphere or no.

934
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: No no, no no no. We don't abuse women.

935
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: And the thing that you're being kind of continually pushed

936
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: to do in the real world is put out more

937
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: videos that will get more people to subscribe to Tate services.

938
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: And if you get out enough, if you have a

939
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: certain people watching you, you get affiliate status, right, which

940
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: is where you get a cut of people who join

941
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: and you pay inditate programs through your videos. So top

942
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: war room generals act as social enforcers, using humiliation to

943
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: force young men to go into war mode, where they

944
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: would labor for days off in sixteen to twenty hours

945
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: at a time with very little sleep in order to

946
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: make tate content go viral. States were required to post

947
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: four to six videos a day and harassed with their

948
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: if their metrics weren't good enough. And you know, I

949
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: would make more about how horrible this is, but a

950
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: lot of this just sounds out how like working about

951
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: Facebook is right now, So I don't know, could be

952
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: a better boss, could be worse both. In the war

953
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Room itself, discussion tended to focus around sharing clips of

954
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: text with messages from different women members who were pursued

955
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: from different women that members were pursuing or trying to

956
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: converse into what we would call trafficking. The most granular

957
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: write up of how people converse in the War Room

958
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: documentary and the War Room come from the substack of

959
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: a guide called Crabman, who is the source for the

960
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: NBC's documentary. Right. He brings them some of these leaked

961
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: documents and he takes great pains to break down what's

962
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: going in in the on aage of these discussions. In

963
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: one chat in the Great Hall, which seems to be

964
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: a general discussion area, Tristan described how well trained Andrew's

965
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: girls are and that girls who don't play ball are expelled.

966
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Crabman rights, here's the thing. It's all the game to Andrew.

967
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: He tells our warroom members, you have to risk it

968
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: all by losing to get to the next bet. Sometimes

969
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: you lose. I've lost.

970
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Girls.

971
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't always work, but that's why you got to find

972
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: new ones. And the ones that it does work for,

973
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: those are the ones you keep. That's just how you

974
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: build a good harem of girls, you know, because some

975
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: girls just like it. Some girls system the system works,

976
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: but if we have another guy, they kind of have,

977
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: like or whatever, outside influences. Sometimes you do them when

978
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: you play hardball. But I play hardball ball anyway because

979
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: it's all I'm interested in. I want the one hundred,

980
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't give want the five, so I'll gamble it.

981
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: That's the basic premise. Romantic yeah prick.

982
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: Now.

983
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Andrew blames that this PhD test alone, being able to

984
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: defend himself from angry women was fundamental to becoming a millionaire.

985
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: Right a little further down, though, in text within the

986
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: war Room, he complains that nothing he tries works as

987
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: well since he got famous right. Quote girls are too defensive.

988
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: They instantly assume you message every hot girl. It destroys

989
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: destroys PhD success rate seriously, unless you want to be

990
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: a sugar daddy, which I don't. So even he's like, yeah,

991
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: now that people know my face, nobody wants anything to

992
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: do with me.

993
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's your face, asshole, That's what it is.

994
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: So he's just like basically admitting that, like, none of

995
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: this shit really works, but you just got to keep

996
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: trying and keep giving me money and yeah you'll get lucky.

997
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So he's breaking that his old techniques don't

998
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: work since he's been verified on social media. Quote girls

999
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: are too defensive. They instantly assume you message every hot

1000
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: girl destroys PhD success right, seriously, unless you want to

1001
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: be a sugar daddy, which I don't. Other members post

1002
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: pictures of cars that they purportedly bought with funds earned

1003
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: by their harems, and give blow by blow accounts of

1004
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: their own flirtation journeys. A popular thing to post are

1005
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: messages from women that the poster has ignored as part

1006
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: of Andrew's strategy hinders on denying attention in order to

1007
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: build interest. So there's just like clips of women being

1008
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: like when are you coming? Hi? Why are you ignoring me?

1009
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: And like, see look at this win. I'm not responding

1010
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: to this woman that I like. And it's just it's

1011
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: both so dumb. Yeah, it's such like pickup artists and

1012
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: sell stuff and also such again it's a dentist system.

1013
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: Artist.

1014
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: It's negging. None of it's new. It's just been repackaged

1015
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: in a way that it's been repackaged to sell an MLM. Right,

1016
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if this works. Some number of men

1017
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: will always I don't know if it's because of the

1018
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: individual people they're going after or something about their care,

1019
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: their their personal characteristics will be successful enough with this

1020
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: to convince themselves that it's worth worth worthwhile. And ninety

1021
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: nine percent will have nothing happen, but they'll pay for

1022
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: long enough that it makes it worthwhile. Right, It's the

1023
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: same thing with like, yes, some people sell Amway products,

1024
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: or at least sell a few Amway products and then

1025
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: get a lot of people to sign up for Amway,

1026
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: and so they do make money. That's just about one

1027
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: percent of Amway. Everyone else has kind of taken a bath. Now,

1028
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: there's also kind of in the Vernieri vibe. Within these

1029
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of like the elite war room chats, there's a

1030
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: lot of discussion on how to permanently mark women, which

1031
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: is considered the open ultimate sign of success, that like,

1032
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: you have gotten this person so in your spell that

1033
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: you've gotten them to tattoo your name on their body.

1034
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: This seems to be a core aspect of sivil wisest teachings.

1035
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: I think he's the main person who introduced this. It's

1036
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: kind of unclear to me, but all these guys are

1037
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: constantly posting either them a tempting to convince women to

1038
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: do this, and you know there's this mix of like

1039
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: people saying no and getting dumped. So this message here

1040
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: is between like Tate. She's like showing him a tattoo

1041
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: that she's got, and he's saying, like, I want you

1042
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: to get my name tattooed on you. I don't want

1043
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: this like other tattoo. And she's asking him, like when

1044
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: will we get married? And he says, you know, now,

1045
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: as soon as you get the tattoo, and she's like, okay,

1046
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: but then if you leave me, I'll still have your

1047
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: name on my body and that's kind of fucked up.

1048
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: And he's like, why would I leave? Are you saying

1049
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to be good to me? There's kind

1050
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: of the most at the end here is she Eventually

1051
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: he says, yes, it'll make me happy if you get

1052
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: this tattoo, and she says, okay, I'll do it. I

1053
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: cannot write great. My dad does not have to see.

1054
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know how old this girl is. Too young,

1055
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: it's very young. Again, this is these are the people

1056
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: that they are being reached out towards, right.

1057
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 4: These are not adults.

1058
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: They're not people who are like, have mature brains.

1059
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, bigas but Shelby with your fingers, how big?

1060
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm very comfortable.

1061
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gross.

1062
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 5: Now.

1063
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: The messages posted here are from back in twenty nineteens.

1064
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: This is an older era of the war room, and

1065
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: it's hard to say where things are now with the

1066
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: culture there. Since the beginning of the litigation against Andrew,

1067
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: when he was initially incarcerated, he made a lot of

1068
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: claims that his war room friends would watch out for

1069
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: his interests and even take care of his stuff while

1070
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: he was away. There is an extent to which this

1071
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: seems to be true, and we know of the network

1072
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: suggest an intricate community and a number of people who

1073
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: do have resources and this kind of cult like devotion

1074
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: to Andrew and to the group. Now there's been some

1075
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: good work done to kind of layout who is involved

1076
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: in this community. The BBC documentary did a lot of it.

1077
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: Dullingcat did an article on it. One of these guys,

1078
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, these people who are like these are both

1079
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: folks who are presumably paying Andrew thousands or tens of

1080
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: thousands of year a year, but are also like working

1081
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: and getting money of their own. You might call them

1082
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Speaker 1: the high level amway distributors of the war Room in

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00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: the real world. One of them is a guy who

1084
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: has a YouTube channel called Sartorial Shooter. He's a former

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00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Australian soldier and a current Dubai resident a lot of

1086
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: Dubai residencies here, who claims to have gone into the

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: intelligence world and worked all around the planet. He claims

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00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: to have weapons and tactics trading facilities everywhere. Now, as

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00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: is always the case with these guys, that's a bit

1090
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: of an exaggeration. His real name is Joel Sullivan. He's

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00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: one of the leading lights of the war Room. Bellincat

1092
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: revealed that he was a former director of international security

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00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: for a global healthcare company, which is not a nothing job,

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Speaker 1: but it's not exactly James Bond.

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Speaker 3: He wants you to think he's like out here being.

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Speaker 1: He's some sort of like mercenary special operator spines like

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Speaker 1: now you worked for like a healthcare company directing security,

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00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: and again there's not nothing that, but it's not quite

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00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: what you're claiming it is exactly. Yeah. Another key general

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Speaker 1: of Andrews goes by the Twitter title First Prince of Wudan,

1101
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: which will remember is he's got this sort of pretend

1102
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: mythic story about how he learned to be a martial

1103
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: arts master. The actual guy behind this account is a

1104
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: current Delta pilot and a former US Air Force major

1105
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: who the BBC detailed posting about his use of Tates

1106
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: techniques to try and coerce women into doing sex work

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00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: for his financial benefit. Yeah, it's all just like the

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00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: grossest dudes. Like some of them do have money, so

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00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: it is like, it's not like these are like the

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00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: people at the top. Number one, they're generally people who

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00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: have had a degree of success before getting involved in

1112
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: andrew Tates things. So number one, they have some money

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00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: of their own, so they're able to like bootstrap themselves

1114
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: until they can make money getting you know, affiliates, basically

1115
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: pulling people in and selling them on subscriptions which they

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00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: seem to get a cut of. And they're also just

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00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: people who have been more successful. They're older, so they

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00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: can kind of replicate some degree of the scams that

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Speaker 1: Andrew has carried out. And I really think like that's

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Speaker 1: all that's going on here with these guys. None of

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00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: them are. Andrew wants them to look like they're like

1122
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: the secret masters of the world, and they're not that.

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00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: They're guys who are probably making like mid to low

1124
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: six figure salaries, like they're doing well. They've got positions

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Speaker 1: that afford them a decent degree of income and they

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00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: want to be more. And so I think a lot

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00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: of this for them and why it's worth, you know,

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Speaker 1: a pilot that kind of income you can afford to

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00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: throw eight grand at some shit like this, especially if

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00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: you're making some of it back through whatever the affiliate

1131
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: scheme pays you, and maybe the fantasy of being part

1132
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: of this like elite group of men is worth more

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00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: to you than whatever amount of money that you kind

1134
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Speaker 1: of burn going on.

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Speaker 2: It's like speaks to a larger issue, like it's not

1136
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 2: about the money for them or like trying to get rich.

1137
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: It's like a deeper issue like the control of women

1138
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: and manipulating people and everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now there's a lot that I could

1140
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: really get into, like more stuff about all this here.

1141
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: One of the more difficult parts of doing this was

1142
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: knowing how to what to cut out and what to include.

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Speaker 1: I do want to note one thing, which is that

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Speaker 1: some of the one of my favorite uh uh, one

1145
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite side facts of this is there's some

1146
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: messages that Tristan Tate posts to the warm about how

1147
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: a guy named Ivan Throne is crashing on their couch

1148
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: in Romania. Have either of you heard of Ivan Thrown No,

1149
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: So he's he's he's a really low grade man fluencer hack.

1150
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: He's like a big bearded dude who always poses in

1151
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: like a suit or he's got like kind of like

1152
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,479
Speaker 1: a fucking go tee. He always poses in a suit.

1153
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: He wrote this book about like the dark triad Man,

1154
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: which is like, I know, using the power of sociopathy

1155
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: in order to like make yourself a better business leader

1156
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: or whatnot. And he used to do he did. He

1157
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: had a tight style griff that just didn't do well

1158
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: called throne Dynamics, where like men would pay to go

1159
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: to these summits where they'd eat steak and smoke cigars

1160
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: and talk about, you know, make connections about their their

1161
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: great businesses, which are again mostly like pick up artistry,

1162
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: like right wing like like low grade right wing propaganda bullshit.

1163
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring up Ivan is that he

1164
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: was part of my favorite moment in the history of Twitter.

1165
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: So I'm going to share that with you. So he

1166
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: posts a picture of there's this like very photorealistic statue

1167
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: of like a beautiful young white lady with long flowing hair.

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: The fabric work on the statue is really nice, Like

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00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: you can see she's got this sheer shirt. It's like

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00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: it's it's like a sexy sculpture right, Like it's definitely

1171
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: meant to be and anost she's gotten nipples.

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: It's provocative.

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00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: It's provocative, and even posts this to his Twitter account

1174
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: and says, this is called art. This is the legacy

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00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: and heritage of the West. This is what the men

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00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: of the West fight, sacrifice and die for. This is

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: victory hashtag deis volt and one of his followers asks him,

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00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: is there an example of a female sculptor who committed

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00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: himself to the same level of detail that a man

1180
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: does with a woman. And Ivan responds, none that come

1181
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: to mind. That sculpture's an act of worship before Heaven

1182
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: and it shows. And someone just responds with a picture

1183
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: of the artist next to its sculptor and says, the

1184
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: sculptor is a Chinese woman, You dorkass looseness fucking knocked

1185
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: he and he just like that was it for Ivan,

1186
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: Like I understand why he's crashing on Andrew tates couch

1187
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: for a while, because that just fucking nukes him as

1188
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: a human, going and learning that like Tristan Tates his buddy,

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00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: and he was like bumming like CouchSurfing with the Tates

1190
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen twenty. Extremely fucking funny to me. Now.

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00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: One of the other things that's kind of missed, the

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00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: great mysteries that's answered from these leaks is why Andrew

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00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: keeps coming back tromania, which I had to have to

1194
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: admit as I kept looking through like what he's doing,

1195
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: what's going on with him? This was like a constant

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00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: thing for me, like why in the fuck is this

1197
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: guy not He's got he does have money. He's not poor.

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00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: He's got millions at least that they still didn't have

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: access to. They didn't get everything. He has friends in Dubai,

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: he is able to. He could get a permanent residency

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: in the Dubai. And if you think you might go

1202
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: to prison for all of your sex crimes and you're

1203
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: this guy, Dubai is where you want to wind up.

1204
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: And the fact that he visited and then came back,

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00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: that he went back to Romania. I didn't know why

1206
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: until I found this post of his on the war

1207
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: room that I think kind of explains it. Right. I've

1208
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: been everywhere, and let me tell you a few things.

1209
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: The world is basically the same. Temples and churches are bullshit,

1210
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: and you're better off finding the best spot you can

1211
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: and becoming a local force than float around all day

1212
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: like a digital nomad dork. There's no club on Earth

1213
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: better than the club here in Romania. I have twenty

1214
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: girls at the table, Security knows me, no one fucks

1215
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: with me. Why leave? And I think that really gets

1216
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: right down to it is he's like he's found his place,

1217
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: and he's pretty confident that Romania will botch the prosecution

1218
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: against him enough that he can continue to live there.

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00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: And I think he doesn't really want to live in

1220
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Dubai because as much of a like stereotypical place as

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01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: it is for guys like him, it doesn't have the

1222
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: same kind of opportunities for the sort of debauchery that

1223
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: he's into, right. It just there. It's a stricter culture

1224
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: in some ways than that even for some guys with money,

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01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: and he could if he was posting the kind of

1226
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: videos that he tends to post, he could get in

1227
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: trouble at some point. And I think he's just he's

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01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: just convinced of the fact that he can make this

1229
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: work for himself. That's that's really what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a god in Romania, is like why

1231
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: would I go anywhere else? Like I write pretty good here?

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01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he might get away, yeah you know, Yeah,

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01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: all right, that's what I got. That's the Andrew Tate update.

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Speaker 1: That's where he is right now.

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01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: So it sounds like he's still a piece of shit.

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: Okay, still a piece of shit. Update Ill, yep, update,

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01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: you gross guy. We're done with him for a while. Again,

1238
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Probably don't have to go back to Andrew taituh for

1239
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: a minute, until until some of this court cases get

1240
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: more adjudicated. Right, yeah, yeah, I guess yeah.

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Speaker 4: Gross.

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01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: So that's it. That's our update on Andrew.

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: Uh, and you have anything you want to plug.

1244
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: I just want to plug the Los Angeles Lakers and

1245
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: Mike Glorious King Lebron James. The playoffs are about to start,

1246
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: Lakers in five That's all I gotta say. And Uh,

1247
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 2: listen to Hood Politics. It's a good show.

1248
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: Listen to Hood Politics. It's a good show. Don't subscribe

1249
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: to the war Room, Sophie. We should have a place

1250
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: people can give us eight thousand dollars a year if

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01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: they want to. Wouldn't that be nice?

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Speaker 2: Coolest, the coolest Zone Media.

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Speaker 3: We're not.

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01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: We're not that desperate.

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: Give me eight thousand dollars Zone Media.

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Speaker 3: Wherever I ask you for eight thousand dollars, it's not us.

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Speaker 4: It's a scam terribly.

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Speaker 1: I say, it's definitely me. Yeah, you know, in which

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: case it's definitely me. I would never lie to you

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: unless someone cloned my my voice with AI, in which

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: case I would definitely that we.

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Speaker 5: Lie to you.

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01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: Oh God, you know, Andrew Tate isn't great.

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 4: My mate, Lakers.

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01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: Lakers.

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01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like stand outside in the sun or some ship.

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 4: They don't even play today. I'm just excited.

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01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah great.

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