1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: with you. Doctor Paul connat is a graduate of Cambridge 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: University holds a PhD in chemistry from Dartmouth College. From 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: eighty three to two thousand and six, Paul taught chemistry 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: at Saint Lawrence University in Canton, New York, where he 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: specialized in environmental chemistry and toxicology. Over the past thirty 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: three years, his research on waste management has taken him 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: to forty nine states, seven provinces in Canada, sixty five 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: other countries, and he has given more than twenty five 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: hundred public presentations. Paul, welcome back to the program. You're 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: on our show eight years ago. Almost yes, George, thanks 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: for having me back. Pleasure. Good to have you with 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: us too. Hey, let me ask you this. You have 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: been involved in chemistry and water fluoridation investigation for a 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: long time. Why do they put fluoride in the water 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: in the first place? Ostensibly too low tooth decay, That's 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: what they believed. The evidence is very weak that actually 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: swallowing fluoride lowers tooth decay. In fact, the promoters now 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: concede that the major benefit is topical works on the 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: surface of the tooth. You don't have to swallow it. 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, when they admitted that that should have been 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: the end of water fluoridation if you don't need to 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: swallow it exactly, because by swallowing it does what to us, Well, 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: it's very toxic, and we know it's very toxic. It 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: can kill people. But we know it's toxic because nature 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: has developed defense mechanisms. Back in about two and twelve, 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: I think Ron Breaker at Yale University showed that in 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: certain lower creatures like bacteria and fungi, there were genes which, 30 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: when they were switched on by high fluoride levels, they 31 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: would produced proteins which went to the membranes and pumped 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: the floor ride out of the body. They were called 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: fluoride exporting proteins, And the only reason that nature developed 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: those was because fluoride is very toxic to the system. Now, 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: when the time you get to the mammals like ourselves, 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: we have the kidney. The kidney gets rid of about 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: fifty percent of the fluoride that we take in and 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the rest is sequestered in our bones. 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: It's a defense mechanism. Now, the other defense mechanism, which 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: I've always thought was very very important, was mother's milk. 41 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: The mother's breast acts like a filter. Very very little 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: fluoride is in mother's milk, and so the newborn baby, 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: it gets very very little fluoride. And obviously if it 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: was a nutrient or we needed it for something, that's 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: where you'd expect to find it. But it's not there. 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: But that also means in a city like Los Angeles, 47 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: which is fluoridated, a bottle fed baby is getting about 48 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: two hundred times more fluoride than nature intended. Well, plus 49 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: we're getting it in our toothpaste. I'm almost every toothpaste 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: has fluoride in it, doesn't absolutely by over nine of 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the toothpaste soul of the United States as floride and 52 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: let yours have fluoride, and pesticides and fertilizer, obviously, all 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: the dental products. In fact, you can't get the ada's 54 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Seal of approval for a dental product unless it's called 55 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: fluoride in it. So the ADA is making a lot 56 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: of money out of people's willingness to swallow fluoride. I 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: remember my grade school days. Paul the school district sold 58 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: our parents on fluoridation, and what would happen is a 59 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: dentist would come to the school and we'd all be 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: signed up to get fluoride treatments. It was like a 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: two or three day treatment program and we'd sit there 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: in this chair while this dentist blasted away at this 63 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: fluoride in our mom. I kept coming home telling my mom, 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore, and she said, now, Georgie, 65 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: it's good for you. You know, they had our parents buffaloed, 66 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: but we went through that will that eventually show any 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: harm to us well, absolutely, and they can't even deny 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: it because the one thing that they knew in nineteen 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: forty five, when this nonsense began, was that a certain 70 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: percentage of children would get a condition called dental ferosis, 71 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: which is a muckling of the teeth to patches, white 72 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: patches which some conditions can get yellow browness on. They 73 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: knew about ten percent of the kids would get this condition, 74 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: but only in its very mild form. Of the trade 75 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: off was lower tooth decay. So you lower the tooth 76 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: decase and get some kids would get this condition, but 77 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: only dentists would recognize it, and that was the mantra 78 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five. Now run the clock forward to 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the current time, and over sixty percent of American teens 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: kids aged twelve to fifteen now have some form of 81 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: dental ferosis, and not all in the stuff. He wouldn't 82 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: notice that some mild dental ferosis impacts about twenty percent. 83 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Moderate dental fherosis, which impacts one hundred percent of the 84 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: tooth surface two. So this is out of control. It's 85 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: an epidemic now, and it's exactly what you said, George. 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: We're getting fluoride from everywhere today. Correct me, Paul if 87 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But did I not see like vans and 88 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: trucks that had fluoride in them? They were carding it 89 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: and it had a skull and bones on it. It's poison, 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: isn't it. This is the most bizarre aspect to this story. 91 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: You would think, wouldn't you, that the fluoride that you 92 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: added to the drinking water was a pharmaceutical grade, the 93 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: same kind of grade that you put in food product, 94 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: dental products, or vitamins or something like that. Now it's 95 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: taken from the scrubbing systems of the phosphate fertilizer industry. 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: It's a spray of water which converts two very toxic gases, 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: a hydrogen fluid silicon tetrafluid, which are produced when phosphate 98 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: rock is treated with sulfuric acid. And these gases decimated 99 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: the local areas in Florida, Oak County, Florida for years 100 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: until they finally said, we better scrub this stuff out. 101 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: So they put a water spray on and that converts 102 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: it to a substance called hexaphloroslicic acid, and that's the 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: stuff that hexaphloroslicicacy, which is contaminated with god knows what, 104 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: is then sent untreated to the public water works all 105 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: over the country, all over the country. And the way 106 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: they get round this they say, the EPA has a 107 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: regulation which says hazardous waste must be treated this way 108 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: unless unless another company buys the waste from the chemical industry. 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: So the chemical industry produces a chemical waste and somebody 110 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: buys it from him. It then becomes a product and 111 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: it's under those those weird conditions that the public water 112 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: works now, But of course they buy it from the 113 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: chemical industry. It's treated as a product and we can't 114 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: dump it into the sea. Can you believe this? So 115 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: we dump it into our drinking water. We can't dump 116 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: it into the sea, but we flush it through our 117 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: bodies en route to the sea. It is incredible, it's bizarre. 118 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: And they sell it to the companies that manufacture toothpaste 119 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I guess now, I think that 120 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: the stuff that goes to the tooth manufacturers as a 121 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: toothpaste people is pharmaceutical grade, so that would be purified, 122 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: that would be pure, which is still not great, but 123 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: it's better than dumping the stuff in the water, right absolutely. 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: And the reason of course if you use pharmaceutical grade, 125 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: they say too expensive, because of the water doesn't go 126 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: anywhere near your teeth. It goes we washes, the car, 127 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: waters the lawn, does the washing, etc. Etc. Etc. Less 128 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: than one percent we actually swallow and so very little 129 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: goes near our teeth. So you can afford to use 130 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: this chemical because if the truth be known, the phosphate 131 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: fertilizer industry will give it to you to get rid 132 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: of it, because otherwise they have to treat it as 133 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: a hazardous waste. But as it is they're making between 134 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and two hundred million dollars a year out 135 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: of this bottom junk. Yeah, unbelievable. Now, who scammed the 136 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: American Dental Association and all these dentists who are pro fluoridation? Well, 137 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I think the trouble is, I think the true believers there. 138 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: I think if you go back to the nineteen forties, 139 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: they really believe this would work. They felt believed that 140 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: it was completely safe. They didn't do the science. Now, 141 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: this is another extraordinary thing. You know. They started the 142 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: trials in forty five in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and in 143 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: a place of I've forgotten the name now in New 144 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: York State. But they started these trials. They were meant 145 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: to be ten year trials. But halfway through them, in 146 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty, the US Public Health Service indorsed fluoridation for 147 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: the whole country. Said go ahead, Well, that wasn't scientific. 148 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: They hadn't completed the trials, They had practically no health 149 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: studies on the books, and after the US Public Health 150 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: Service indorsed it, they didn't bother to do any more 151 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: studies as far as they were concerned. The whole issue 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: now was promotion, and that's what we've had ever since 153 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty is the promotion of fluoridation as safe and effective, 154 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: safet effective, safe and effective, with very little attempt to 155 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: look at the science. The good news is, we are 156 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: just beginning to look at some of the science of 157 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: florid's impact on tissues like the brain, the thyroid glands, 158 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: or things which they should have done seventy years ago, 159 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: they're just beginning to do today. And the results are shocking, George, 160 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: absolutely shocking. And that was Newburgh, New York, the other 161 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 1: city that's right where they were doing this. Jesus is frustrating, 162 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: it really is. And yet so many dentists today think 163 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: floride is so good. Yeah, Unfortunately they may not. Many 164 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: dentists have the time with their busy practices to actually 165 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: read the literature. At dental school. They only get one 166 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: thing at dental school. It's perfectly safe, and the people 167 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: opposed to fluoridation are in a bunch of lunitudes. That's right, 168 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: that's what they're told at dental school. Then they leave, 169 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: they start their busy practices and they just don't bother 170 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: to do the research, or not many and they just 171 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: take the word of the ada in the CDC at 172 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: face value, not realizing that these guys are absolutely utterly biased, 173 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: and it's very worrying to me that the government agents 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: should be so biased on something as important as what 175 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: our kids are getting in their drinking water. Listen to 176 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: more Coast to Coast Am every weeknight at one a m. 177 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com 178 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: for more