Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am d Von
Speaker 1: Rogers and this is MTV's official challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: Baby Oh what an episode, let me tell you. So
Speaker 2: let's get into this day or should we stay nightly challenge? Okay,
Speaker 2: this was one for the buss.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So in this challenge, it is called.
Speaker 2: The Banquet of Champions, and the winners happen to be Corey, James, Colleen,
Speaker 2: and Mariah. Shout out to them for taking down that
Speaker 2: food and them drinks because Baby couldn't have been me.
Speaker 3: So the winners decided that they're gonna vote in Raven Oh.
Speaker 2: And then the House decides to vote in Zara Zaza
Speaker 2: or did the house vote there?
Speaker 3: I'm Tzara voted in Zorro.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes.
Speaker 3: So then we get out here to this elimination and Laurel.
Speaker 2: Oh, then Laurel comes out. I was so excited to
Speaker 2: see Laurel. She comes out as a mercenary and Baby is.
Speaker 1: Out for blood.
Speaker 2: She wants Michelle and we already know how that played
Speaker 2: out because HERR and Michelle had some weird situation going on. Okay,
Speaker 2: and obviously it's still not over. However, during the draw
Speaker 2: Laurel pulls Raven's name. Oh and in this elimination it's
Speaker 2: Laurel versus Raven. Raven comes out with the win. Raven
Speaker 2: now has a win of Laurel under her belt. Did
Speaker 2: you see that coming, Devin for Society winner Raven loser Laurel.
Speaker 1: I really didn't expect to see that. But I also
Speaker 1: it was an interesting elimination game, right, But I know
Speaker 1: Laurel is like the executioner sort of when it comes
Speaker 1: to elimination, so I wouldn't have wanted to go up
Speaker 1: against her. I was really happy for Raven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was so excited for her, Like wow, Like,
Speaker 2: not only did these people throw you out there like that,
Speaker 2: but you beat the person that Michelle is afraid of.
Speaker 3: Right now, that, in my opinion, the circle of life.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you take out the person that the head
Speaker 2: of the snake is afraid of, maybe I think that
Speaker 2: make you the queen of the I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: in my opinion, no kind.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I will say this. I have beat
Speaker 1: Laurel in an individual challenge I mean not to tuge
Speaker 1: horns and okay it was trivia, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because I still won all right, Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's I hope that that Raven is strutting back into
Speaker 1: the house like an overconfident rooster, just knowing like what
Speaker 1: she accomplished, because that's big on its own, but also
Speaker 1: knowing that sort of the godfather of this season of
Speaker 1: the Challenge is terrified of the person that you just beat.
Speaker 1: So big props to Raven on that one. And it
Speaker 1: was gracious how Laurel handled it. I love when we
Speaker 1: get to see inklings of laurel sweet side. Now we
Speaker 1: saw her crazy side when they did that montage and
Speaker 1: showed that face she was making. That was god awful.
Speaker 1: But I love when we get to see some sweet
Speaker 1: moments of Laurel. I've had the pleasure of, you know,
Speaker 1: having done challenges with her, having done Final with her,
Speaker 1: gotten to see that, and so it's just all nice.
Speaker 1: And I think it meant a lot to Raven. It
Speaker 1: looked like it meant a lot to Raven. It did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did, it did.
Speaker 2: It made her so happy because Laura is someone who
Speaker 2: she looks up to, and so you know, to take
Speaker 2: out somebody who you really look up to, that has
Speaker 2: to be big for you.
Speaker 3: And to have that person say that they are.
Speaker 1: Proud of you. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: that's huge, Davon, I'm proud of you. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. Also shout out to your daughter
Speaker 1: and her spelling beat.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just Cayden Seel very proud of you.
Speaker 1: Your Challenge podcast family is very proud of you over here. Now,
Speaker 1: some people that were not proud of are the people
Speaker 1: that are going to be in the Time Out. I
Speaker 1: do want to hear your Time Out nominees. Before we
Speaker 1: get to that. I just have to say TJ. When
Speaker 1: he does his brushed back hair with a little bit
Speaker 1: of scruff, it makes it's giving Benjamin Button vibes, like
Speaker 1: it's making him age backwards in the best way. And
Speaker 1: then when he had on that cream mixed meat shacket. Now,
Speaker 1: if you don't know what a shack it is, it's
Speaker 1: when it's like part shirt park jacket and he was
Speaker 1: wearing it kind of like a jacket because he had
Speaker 1: a shirt on underneath it that was you know, and
Speaker 1: he had it open, so was the shacket. It just
Speaker 1: was like, yes, TJ, Yes, sir, you look like you
Speaker 1: know you're twenty five, Okay, maybe thirty, but still it's great,
Speaker 1: just a great look. How to give him a shout
Speaker 1: out for that? Okay, So now day, who are your
Speaker 1: nominees for this week's time out of the week?
Speaker 2: I don't uh, just one okay, and it's Bernard for
Speaker 2: being a hater.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, okay, I'm sorry. I am sorry. You weren't
Speaker 1: do the same thing day they came in.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I've been in that situation, and
Speaker 2: what I did was I politely got my little blanket
Speaker 2: and I went and slept on the couch, like which
Speaker 2: I got going on in the jaw business. Let me
Speaker 2: go and go sleep on the couch where I can
Speaker 2: give you some sound sleep. I don't want to hear
Speaker 2: y'all too.
Speaker 1: I mean, but couldn't they do it on the I
Speaker 1: know back in my day, shout out to Nanny and
Speaker 1: Johnny Riley. They did it on the couch outside of
Speaker 1: the bedroom so that nobody else had to hear. They
Speaker 1: left their underwear there, which is how we found out
Speaker 1: it happened. But still, like they didn't do it in
Speaker 1: the bedroom. You don't think they own the couch?
Speaker 4: Ill? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was on this like the little ottoman thing that was
Speaker 1: in this weird corner of the house. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: the main couch. It was like this little cuddle couch.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: We love you not and shout out to Casey, we
Speaker 1: love you too. I mean it's on TV. You can
Speaker 1: go watch it available on Paramount Plus. Okay, my nominees
Speaker 1: for the Time Out of the Week. I actually have
Speaker 1: a lot of nominees for for gold Stars, but my
Speaker 1: nominee for Time Out of the Week Michelle being scared
Speaker 1: of the ghost of Laurels past. Like, I understand being intimidated,
Speaker 1: but the level of fear, how are you gonna be
Speaker 1: big and bad? Alsie like? And she also did kind
Speaker 1: of what she did that time Corey won earlier in
Speaker 1: the season where she made the elimination all about herself
Speaker 1: when it wasn't even about her. Yeah, that was just
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like that was kind of annoying.
Speaker 1: My other time out Now are the people that were
Speaker 1: hooking up in the bedrooms? That house is big. Go
Speaker 1: find a corner somewhere, go to the back, be respectable,
Speaker 1: and go to the bathroom like our girl Tory did
Speaker 1: when she was dating and Manuel right, there are all
Speaker 1: places that you can go. You don't need to do
Speaker 1: it in the bedroom. No one wants to hear those
Speaker 1: noises unless you subscribe to you know, certain networks or
Speaker 1: channels or something. So I would say that they're nominated
Speaker 1: and then my other time out, although really it's really
Speaker 1: just funny, but my nominee for Timeout is Raven and
Speaker 1: her terrible trivia answers. She said it with so much confidence.
Speaker 1: She each time just so much confidence and was so
Speaker 1: wrong on each one. But ultimately the winner of My
Speaker 1: Time of this week is going to be Michell. Michelle
Speaker 1: being scared of the ghosts of Laurels past, Like if
Speaker 1: you at the very least keep it to yourself and
Speaker 1: continue to pretend to act big in bad, don't pee
Speaker 1: your pants in front of everyone like that just was
Speaker 1: You're also showing your cards, right, which is I mean heavy? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If I was scared of you before, I'm now looking
Speaker 1: at you with the side eye because.
Speaker 3: Of don't make me call Laurel.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sideye, though, the side eye she gave Corey
Speaker 1: you guys go back, and she gave Nada booby and
Speaker 1: she just turned around it was priceless. Somebody make that
Speaker 1: a gift please, because it's very funny. That was arguing,
Speaker 1: embarrassing me and public. Yes, it was so it was
Speaker 1: so good. She almost gets a gold Star to make
Speaker 1: up for her time just for that facial expression. That
Speaker 1: was so good. All right, Who are your nominees for
Speaker 1: gold Star this week? Oh?
Speaker 2: The winners of the day, Well, the Nightly I got Mariah, Colleen, James,
Speaker 2: and Corey for the way that they took that food down.
Speaker 2: Specifically Colleen for the way she drank that oil and
Speaker 2: hot whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, she should took it down. Manuel, I feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: I agree, They're on my my nominees list. So my
Speaker 1: nominees for uh gold Star would be u Zaza and
Speaker 1: the way she nominated herself in and the way she
Speaker 1: even took when she heard that she was a possible contender.
Speaker 1: I actually really liked her approach. Couldn't be me, but
Speaker 1: I like that she was so positive about it, and
Speaker 1: I feel like seeing more of that is just refreshing
Speaker 1: and nice. Also, the winning team and the way they
Speaker 1: got it done, like they worked well together. Good job.
Speaker 1: Another nominees actually James, specifically because James was the one saying,
Speaker 1: pink your nose. Day. I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but did you know that, realistically our taste foods can
Speaker 1: only taste five flavors? Did you know know? I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, So it's salty. I'm gonna get some of
Speaker 1: them wrong, but basically it's bitter, sour, salty, sweet, and
Speaker 1: umami is another one, and so everything else is actually
Speaker 1: our sense of smell that's affecting what we taste. So
Speaker 1: it really is beneficial if you plug your nose, because
Speaker 1: it's gonna help mask some of the grossness of whatever
Speaker 1: you're putting in your mouth. So I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: give my gold star to James. Good on your James,
Speaker 1: And he got his team over the finish line, so
Speaker 1: good on you, sir. There we go James, who said
Speaker 1: he did it for his challenge WiFi.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: You guys, we literally watched these episodes together, and yet
Speaker 1: we have a side chat going on where we text
Speaker 1: each other through the episode, and Day was texting, oh
Speaker 1: challenge wife, which was yes, very funny, and you know what, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm glad at least I feel like that's the most
Speaker 1: acknowledgment He's really given Mariah all season and for how
Speaker 1: much she rides for him. I am happy to at
Speaker 1: least see him show some acknowledgment for like the way
Speaker 1: that she yeah like, hopefully he's doing more of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So, speaking of more, we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: more talking and give you some more insight because we
Speaker 1: have our girl, Raven on aka Dory according to some
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about where that nickname originated. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about what she wished she would have said, she
Speaker 1: comes in hot things, she wished she would have said,
Speaker 1: where she stands with certain challengers, Now, how it feels
Speaker 1: to beat Queen Laurel. You are not gonna want to
Speaker 1: miss this interview, So grab some snacks and okay, well
Speaker 1: actually after this episode, maybe don't, maybe don't eat anything
Speaker 1: at all, but definitely get some water and stay tuned
Speaker 1: because we have a great interview with Raven coming up
Speaker 1: right after this. All right, please help us welcome our
Speaker 1: very special guests and one of just three people who
Speaker 1: have beat Laural apparently Raven Rochelle. Hey, Raven, how are you?
Speaker 4: Hey? Guys, I'm amazing. Honestly, after watching all of that,
Speaker 4: I'm super emotional. Right now. But I feel great. How
Speaker 4: are you guys good?
Speaker 1: What are you emotional about?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Just you know everything how it played out, Things
Speaker 4: that I should have done differently, just like the way
Speaker 4: that the game is going.
Speaker 5: For me, and you know, just like how I'm seeing it.
Speaker 4: All, it's just just a lot. It's overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it a little bit. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: would you have done differently?
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely would have said more of my peace
Speaker 4: at that, Like what like for James to say that
Speaker 4: he sorry, were just like jumping right into the episode?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: I guess that's the main thing that just like bothers
Speaker 4: me because he if I heard him correctly, he said
Speaker 4: that he thought that I would say his name, which
Speaker 4: is like so fucking unbelievable. I just can't even like,
Speaker 4: I want to know where he would think that I
Speaker 4: would say his name, because at that time, Mariah was
Speaker 4: my number one and I would never do that to her.
Speaker 4: So it just blows my mind that he would even think.
Speaker 4: And I've never said his name before, even when his
Speaker 4: ass was on the chopping block, I never said his name,
Speaker 4: So I'm like, bruh, where the fuck did that come from?
Speaker 2: How did I think he become your number one? Because
Speaker 2: I know that her number one was Michelle. Yeah, did
Speaker 2: that work?
Speaker 4: Coming from Ce's thirty eight, she was the only one
Speaker 4: that I really stayed in touch with, not very often,
Speaker 4: but coming from season thirty eight, she was the one
Speaker 4: that was most willing to talk to me. She was
Speaker 4: the one most willing to want to work with me.
Speaker 4: And right before we went on thirty nine, she we
Speaker 4: were texting a little bit back and forth and I
Speaker 4: told her how I wanted to align with her being
Speaker 4: from thirty eight.
Speaker 5: She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm already with Olivia and Theresa Michelle,
Speaker 4: but like let me talk to them and see if
Speaker 4: they would be cool working together too. So she kind
Speaker 4: of like vowed for me to be in this little
Speaker 4: fucking chick club or whatever, and I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: So like all and she had told me that all
Speaker 4: the girls were like, yeah, we'll work with you, and
Speaker 4: so that's how we all kind of clicked up because
Speaker 4: it was really through her and coming into the show,
Speaker 4: she was the only one that I really felt like
Speaker 4: had good will towards me and that I felt like
Speaker 4: I could trust compared to all the other females. So
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, girl, well you'll just be my
Speaker 4: number one for that reason.
Speaker 1: Okay, we watched it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and Maurie start to develop a friendship, which
Speaker 2: is really crazy coming off.
Speaker 3: Right or dies? How did the transition happen?
Speaker 1: How did you guys get close?
Speaker 6: Well, we started to get closer because she's originally well
Speaker 6: originally I forced my way into moving into their room
Speaker 6: when I eliminated Hugh Huey because I wanted to stay
Speaker 6: in the mix, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying, and in like smart move right, and everyone was
Speaker 4: like slowly getting eliminated from my room. And then on
Speaker 4: top of like Berna she was like sick the first
Speaker 4: half of the season.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I gotta get it out of here.
Speaker 1: So now she trying to get away from Burner.
Speaker 4: I was trying to escape that little prison wall thing.
Speaker 4: So I ended up forcing my way into their room
Speaker 4: and it was so funny because they Loki didn't want
Speaker 4: me in there, but I just like ignored that, and.
Speaker 5: So as I'm in their room though, we just.
Speaker 4: Kind of start getting closer because she ends up confiding
Speaker 4: in me about she doesn't really feel like Olivia is
Speaker 4: supporting her and Horasio's relationship as much as she would
Speaker 4: like or as much as she feels that she should be.
Speaker 4: And so she just started talking to me more about
Speaker 4: that because I was super supportive of it. You know,
Speaker 4: I could see how happy Nourice was and I didn't
Speaker 4: have anything like against Harassios. I'm like, girl, I'm here
Speaker 4: for if it makes you happy, Like yes, And.
Speaker 1: Did it look like Olivia was being supportive to you,
Speaker 1: like from an outsider, did you feel like Olivia was
Speaker 1: equally supportive or do you feel like you kind of
Speaker 1: saw what Nourice was saying about the lack of support.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So when Nourice would bring up situations that she
Speaker 4: would have with Harassio that would make her really happy
Speaker 4: and like super.
Speaker 5: Estatic, you know me, Zaza like the other girls.
Speaker 4: I'm not really quite sure about Michelle, but we would
Speaker 4: be like super happy for her, and it would come
Speaker 4: off like Olivia always had some negative aspect to bring
Speaker 4: to attention to Nourice, Like it was always something that know, oh,
Speaker 4: but you got to watch out for this, or you know,
Speaker 4: he's not really into he's not into dating right now?
Speaker 5: Are you sure like you shouldn't be falling in love or.
Speaker 4: You know, she was always telling her to be careful
Speaker 4: or you shouldn't do this, or you know, stop trying
Speaker 4: to feel this way towards him and it, and it
Speaker 4: did start to come off very like negative anytime she
Speaker 4: was super happy about expressing it, and she would just
Speaker 4: like kind of tell me about it on the side.
Speaker 4: And then like after she told me that, I started
Speaker 4: peeping it more and I was like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a world where Olivia may have
Speaker 2: some deep, deep hidden feelings for.
Speaker 7: Asia is not saying no, by the way, Well, I'm
Speaker 7: just I'm trying to figure out, Yeah, why would she
Speaker 7: be so against Nourice and Herassio getting together?
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't she be super happy for them. I think
Speaker 4: Olivia knows Harassio and I, but I also think Olivia
Speaker 4: doesn't know Harasio when he really likes someone. I feel
Speaker 4: like there's just, yeah, I just feel like Olivia might
Speaker 4: not know that other side of Rassio and she just
Speaker 4: kind of sees him as one way. And then maybe
Speaker 4: with Maurice, I know Olivia knows Nourise, and we all
Speaker 4: thought it was crazy because they were polar offices and
Speaker 4: everybody in the house was like, this doesn't make sense, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, they don't go together at all, Like you know,
Speaker 4: Narice's party girl crazy, Horassio is all about business and
Speaker 4: we're like, we just don't see it. But when they
Speaker 4: started talking about their feelings, and I never talked to
Speaker 4: Harassio about it, but I could just see it from Nourse,
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, maybe it could work, you know, opites
Speaker 4: dou Jack.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wonder if part of it has to
Speaker 1: do because we the reason why we're asking too is
Speaker 1: we had Nouris on the pod and also in the
Speaker 1: teasers that have been shown for like upcoming episodes, it
Speaker 1: feels like there is a few brewing right or like
Speaker 1: some sort of disconnect, which is crazy to see given
Speaker 1: that and Hoirasio were literally right or dies right. So,
Speaker 1: and in this episode we hear Olivia speak out about
Speaker 1: it for the first time, sort of where she's talking
Speaker 1: about we don't even really talk in the house anymore,
Speaker 1: and you know we're not talking game am I I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm covering for you, but like I care
Speaker 1: about me. So I wonder if there's any sort of
Speaker 1: trepidation on her part just around feeling like probably understandably
Speaker 1: the person she thinks is going to be her strongest
Speaker 1: ally right into this house, right she's feeling super distant
Speaker 1: from and maybe she's annoyed by that or concerned or whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you think that could be a piece of it.
Speaker 5: Totally, totally, totally, totally.
Speaker 4: I think it doesn't even have anything to do with Maurice. Also,
Speaker 4: I think it probably has to do more with animosity
Speaker 4: towards Hirasio. She you know, like it's kind of like
Speaker 4: it is kind of like similar to my season on
Speaker 4: thirty eight, Like I fucking hated Johnny so bad that
Speaker 4: I just hated Nurie, even though honestly, Nuris is kind
Speaker 4: of innocent because we didn't know each other.
Speaker 5: She didn't owe right and she didn't owe me any loyalty.
Speaker 4: And that's exactly why I decided to not have any
Speaker 4: problems with her, Especially.
Speaker 5: When I got over Johnny.
Speaker 4: I took a step back, and I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's really this man that I got a problem with
Speaker 4: that makes not cool with you or not really like
Speaker 4: see not really see your guys' relationship blossoming, because Johnny's
Speaker 4: a bitch, you know, And I think that's where a
Speaker 4: lot of it's coming from with Olivia as well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of drama over a man, can we talk about Okay?
Speaker 1: If his tweets need to be set on fire showed
Speaker 1: us his perspective. But I will say in one of
Speaker 1: his tweets he acknowledges he basically says everybody else was
Speaker 1: coming on to him and that they just couldn't help themselves.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but basically, and that in that he didn't
Speaker 1: even really fully enjoy it, except for he enjoyed getting
Speaker 1: to know and talking to you. You have you seen
Speaker 1: that tweet?
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 1: Why are you so?
Speaker 4: Because it's just I think it's really I'm I feel
Speaker 4: appreciated that he saw that and he distinguished distinguished.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, this thing wished.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, distinguished.
Speaker 4: I'm like say that ten times. That doesn't mean to
Speaker 4: sound like the words anyway. Yeah, I'm just I feel
Speaker 4: I'm just happy that he noticed that I was not
Speaker 4: coming on to him, because, honestly, truly, in the house,
Speaker 4: I did not care to get close to any guy,
Speaker 4: like especially even even Kieran. I was very very stubborn with.
Speaker 4: But then I started to let my guard down, and
Speaker 4: I'll see what happens a'll let my guard down. Oh God.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna come after
Speaker 4: Manuel because I just like, no, you know, my head
Speaker 4: is in the game, and like he's working with people
Speaker 4: that I'm not sure if I can trust. So our
Speaker 4: encounters were very just random and authentic and it didn't
Speaker 4: really ever seem forced. I didn't want anything from him.
Speaker 4: He didn't come off like he wanted anything from me.
Speaker 4: We just were building a real friendship.
Speaker 1: I'm cuddling friendship. Because we saw that nighttime. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: cam footage. He had you on one arm and then
Speaker 1: Olivia and the other. It was very much Giving Sister
Speaker 1: Wive season one when they were all still happy. What
Speaker 1: was that like? What yeah, yeah, no, no nights right.
Speaker 4: I can't even lie like that whole night when I
Speaker 4: was laying down, I was holding my breath. Y'all saw that,
Speaker 4: like I was sleep. We fell asleep out there. I
Speaker 4: was not really sleep. I had so much anxiety. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't do this, like knowing there's a camera up
Speaker 4: there and I'm like, Olivi's right here, and I know
Speaker 4: they probably fucked around before. I'm like, this is awkward.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not for you know, he had
Speaker 1: a girlfriend?
Speaker 5: I heard, Yeah, I heard he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when you gosline, what is with these girls
Speaker 1: in the house not caring about their being What happened
Speaker 1: to girl?
Speaker 5: No, so let me let me, let me take a
Speaker 5: step back, because now that.
Speaker 4: I am getting wiser, I would say this season has
Speaker 4: honestly already taught me so much about myself and so
Speaker 4: much that I only want to receive, so I need
Speaker 4: to return. Honestly, if the main reason why I feel
Speaker 4: like I did not care that he did or didn't
Speaker 4: have a girlfriend is because part of me wasn't really
Speaker 4: into him like that, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, yeah, I figured it wasn't going to
Speaker 1: go anywhere. You were like, I'm actual, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I didn't really feel like nothing, like anything
Speaker 4: serious is that happened?
Speaker 5: So I really didn't care.
Speaker 4: And and already he had already been doing what he
Speaker 4: was doing. I'm like, so it's not even on me
Speaker 4: at this point. You are your own person.
Speaker 1: Did you in the house?
Speaker 5: So we apparently did. No, we apparently did, but.
Speaker 1: Apparently no, I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I was blacked out drunk, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: they're going to show it. I really wish that they,
Speaker 4: Like I hope they do.
Speaker 1: But wait, why do you hope they do show it?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know because I kind of want to
Speaker 4: see it because I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Not she wanted to be a boyur of your awn makeouts? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I know having it now you wait,
Speaker 1: did he make out with Olivia at some point in
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 4: I'm maybe I never saw it. Olivia never talked about it.
Speaker 4: She was very hush hushed, like she talked about it briefly,
Speaker 4: but then when she had brought it up, like that
Speaker 4: was it. And what's crazy is so we had all
Speaker 4: went out to like a beach club, and apparently this
Speaker 4: was the first night, the first day that I was
Speaker 4: able to drink dark liquor and I had nothing on
Speaker 4: my stomach, so.
Speaker 5: I was lit.
Speaker 4: I really did like black out when we got back
Speaker 4: to the house, and apparently we like kissed when we
Speaker 4: got off the bus, But I on on.
Speaker 5: My life, I do not remember that right.
Speaker 4: So a few days later, I'm like, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, Olivia, what's up with like you Andi? Manuel?
Speaker 4: You know, like, how's that going like what's going on?
Speaker 4: She was like, she was like, Oh, we're not talking
Speaker 4: ever since you guys kissed, And I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: when the fuck did We can't.
Speaker 1: Wait now, Olivia had to be the one to tell
Speaker 1: you that you kissed Manuel. You didn't even remember.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Nobody fucking told me anything, like honestly, this whole shindig
Speaker 4: of girls on this season. I'm just like, I should
Speaker 4: have just rowed hard on my intuition and I should
Speaker 4: have just like said to fuck all you bitches from
Speaker 4: the jump, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Really, wait, okay, what for all the women you're saying
Speaker 1: that you should have? Yeah? You really? Why? Why what
Speaker 1: is that bringing up that you made out with him Manuel?
Speaker 4: What makes Because they didn't they didn't really have my back,
Speaker 4: didn't even really want me in the alliance to begin with,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, they didn't. They didn't
Speaker 4: care for me, And it's fair, Like it is fair
Speaker 4: because coming from thirty eight, I didn't. I didn't talk
Speaker 4: to any of them when I got eliminated, I didn't
Speaker 4: at all. I was there for like a week and
Speaker 4: a half, two weeks before I went home. I didn't
Speaker 4: build no type of relationship with them, so I already
Speaker 4: did feel like an outsider coming in.
Speaker 5: But it also took me halfway through the season to
Speaker 5: realize my power and to realize how strong I am.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, these bitches should want to work with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should want to work with me. And I
Speaker 4: was just I was just afraid of their social power.
Speaker 4: And I'm you know, I was a coward like throughout
Speaker 4: the whole thing, Like I can't even lie, man, I
Speaker 4: wish Melissa was still here.
Speaker 1: I wish why what would you have done? Oh?
Speaker 4: Oh, I would have done what I should have done.
Speaker 4: I would have teamed up with Melissa and Big Tea
Speaker 4: and Kylin and her, and I would have took out
Speaker 4: the core of the alliance, which was Michelle.
Speaker 1: You guys really could have it seeing you guys sort
Speaker 1: of fight with one another, because it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys could have all banded together for sure. I was
Speaker 1: just amazing our moves. And this episode, it's actually interesting
Speaker 1: hearing Jay point that out, where Jay sort of says,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, my alliance is a good social one,
Speaker 1: but this new alliance is a great physical one, you know,
Speaker 1: and actually.
Speaker 4: Well, and so this is this is what like fucked
Speaker 4: me over is because I am a good person.
Speaker 5: I don't come from another TV show. I just play.
Speaker 4: I do play the game with my heart to an extent.
Speaker 4: But I also cannot play like a shady game. If
Speaker 4: you know, you're gonna know if I like you or
Speaker 4: if I don't. And it didn't. Kyland had asked me
Speaker 4: to work with him before I even went into elimination,
Speaker 4: and I told him, I said, I said, yeah, like
Speaker 4: it sounds like a good idea, but I can't go
Speaker 4: against the girls until they do me dirty. He's like, well,
Speaker 4: why would you wait until they do you dirty? I'm like,
Speaker 4: because I'm not two faced, Like I can't sit here
Speaker 4: and act like buddy buddy and we're all cool, and
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say your name but behind closed doors,
Speaker 4: because god forbid. If I do win, then you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look like a horrible person because I've been
Speaker 4: acting like I'm not going to say their name, and
Speaker 4: then I just do know I would just I told Colin.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm gonna wait until they give me
Speaker 4: a reason to say their names, even.
Speaker 3: That you're at the bottom of their list.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, that's just fucking stupid, just fucking stupid.
Speaker 4: I just, honestly, and I think a part of me
Speaker 4: just wanted to be liked by them. Seriously, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to feel accepted.
Speaker 1: We really did it that this season, it feels like,
Speaker 1: and what's really interesting in this dynamic And obviously we're
Speaker 1: only watchers, and we only get to see so much,
Speaker 1: you know, like so much happens that we don't get
Speaker 1: to see. But it's interesting because a part of me is, like,
Speaker 1: so many of you guys are cool on your own anyway,
Speaker 1: Like why do you want to be a part of
Speaker 1: that group? Like why do you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of someone who pees their pants when Laurel appears?
Speaker 1: Like why they want to be chosen somebody that you?
Speaker 5: Honestly, I did.
Speaker 4: I did see Michelle as a thread because I know
Speaker 4: how strong she is with puzzles, and I also know that.
Speaker 5: You cannot just be physically strong.
Speaker 4: Being physically strong is only going to get so far
Speaker 4: in the game that really it is a mind game,
Speaker 4: and I am I was very afraid of Michelle in
Speaker 4: that sense. I know she is very intelligent, and I
Speaker 4: know that if she made it to a final, she
Speaker 4: probably could win because she is. All you got to
Speaker 4: do in like a physical elimination or challenge is just
Speaker 4: push yourself, and she can push herself.
Speaker 5: She's you know, I was afraid of Michelle.
Speaker 4: I really was. And then you know that just came
Speaker 4: from like a lack of my own awareness in my capabilities,
Speaker 4: because I'm just as smart I am as far as
Speaker 4: like math puzzles, I really am, but it's never been
Speaker 4: put to the test, So I just always had that doubt.
Speaker 3: Do you think that she's as strong without numbers? Like
Speaker 3: could she do all of this on her own?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So at no point, no one thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's try to take out her.
Speaker 3: People and get her alone.
Speaker 5: That was on my list after this elimination.
Speaker 4: That was on my list for sure. Me and Za like,
Speaker 4: I wish that it happened sooner.
Speaker 5: You know, I love.
Speaker 1: Seeing you and Za tim up. Hey, all right, you
Speaker 1: know we got to take a quick break, but we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this.
Speaker 3: Okay, you ready, because I'm ready, So let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Coming back into the house, and I know we're going
Speaker 1: all over the place with this episode because there's I'm
Speaker 1: so glad we have you on. There's so many questions,
Speaker 1: but did you now have a little bit of extra
Speaker 1: pepping your step knowing that you beat the person that
Speaker 1: Michelle was so terrified of.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Honestly, after this, like I said in one
Speaker 4: of my confessionals, I was like, all that's are off.
Speaker 4: I was like, I waited for this moment for y'all
Speaker 4: bitches to say my name. I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: give a fuck who goes in. And you know, part
Speaker 4: of me like doesn't regret trying to get Melissa and
Speaker 4: Big Ta out because that just stalled some time for
Speaker 4: me to stay in the game instead of constantly like
Speaker 4: teaming up with them and always being like at risk.
Speaker 1: Their social is terrible. So that Booz, Big Tea and
Speaker 1: Melissa we've talked about it on the Pot and I
Speaker 1: love them, but good god, they're every time they were
Speaker 1: going try and politic when they knew their names were
Speaker 1: coming up, it was just aw its worse, so bad.
Speaker 4: Well, and they also didn't show like they were stirring
Speaker 4: up so much drama that was dividing them even more.
Speaker 4: And oh really yeah, and Melissa like she did it
Speaker 4: just it really hurt me because Melissa was being a
Speaker 4: really good friend to me at first, like when all
Speaker 4: of the girls she knew were talking shit about me.
Speaker 5: Like one of the nights, I.
Speaker 4: Had to wear flats because my luggage was late getting
Speaker 4: in and I didn't have the heels, and I was
Speaker 4: wearing flats to the club, and apparently all the girls
Speaker 4: were like talking shit about me wearing flats to the
Speaker 4: fucking club. So she she.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is what she said. She said third grade, right,
Speaker 5: she said, like all the.
Speaker 4: Girls were talking shit about me wearing flats or some shit,
Speaker 4: and then so she she gave me a pair of
Speaker 4: her heels to wear. That's Melissa did. Melissa did.
Speaker 5: And I was just like, man like, damn, Like, damn, have.
Speaker 1: You talked to either of them since I've.
Speaker 5: Talked to Big Tea but not Melissa.
Speaker 1: But now that you're getting it out, because I hear
Speaker 1: a little bit of pain in your voice when we
Speaker 1: talk about how she was there for you and how
Speaker 1: you appreciated that in the beginning, and like sometimes friendships
Speaker 1: have eff ups, especially when you're competing for a bunch
Speaker 1: of money and you're living in a house with a
Speaker 1: bunch of crazies, and so do you think that it
Speaker 1: would ever be worth even attempting to have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like her throwing the drink in my face, it was
Speaker 4: simply out of frustration, like with what she was going through.
Speaker 5: I get that.
Speaker 4: You know, I was in the same vote. I didn't
Speaker 4: handle it like she did, but I get where she
Speaker 4: was coming from. And I shouldn't have took it personal.
Speaker 4: I really shouldn't have. And if I wouldn't have took
Speaker 4: it personal, things would have went a different way. But
Speaker 4: you know, you live and you learn. All I know
Speaker 4: is the seasons moving forward, the world will see a
Speaker 4: different Raven, that's for sure, because I'm not afraid anymore.
Speaker 5: And I don't give a fuck if you like me
Speaker 5: or not. Like now, I'm to the point where I
Speaker 5: just don't care.
Speaker 1: Back when you did care, were you more mad at
Speaker 1: James or Corey for voting you in? James?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 1: Why are you laughing? Are you laughing? I think she's
Speaker 1: laughing at my transition, my segue. But yeah, did you
Speaker 1: confront James afterwards about it? Because he seemed to get
Speaker 1: real snippy about it. Did you you have a conversation.
Speaker 1: After that, I went off on this man. I went off,
Speaker 1: I said, dude. I was like, you don't have own
Speaker 1: your own voice. I was like, then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: far because you don't say like I could. Even when
Speaker 1: they were deliberating.
Speaker 4: I was behind the group and I just saw James
Speaker 4: like shrugging his shoulders a lot, lifting his head kind
Speaker 4: of like to the side. I could just tell by
Speaker 4: his body language like he wasn't really having a guy yeah,
Speaker 4: And I said, and I said, I knew Corey Colleen
Speaker 4: aren't gonna say Bernard.
Speaker 5: They're off the chopping block.
Speaker 4: James is not gonna want to say Zaza, and Mariah
Speaker 4: is not going to want to say Zaza because.
Speaker 5: James doesn't want to say James doesn't want to say Zaza.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I know that only leaves me and
Speaker 4: then but it's so crazy. Olivia was like, I'm surprised
Speaker 4: he didn't say me because I said James's name, like
Speaker 4: we said James's name at the beginning, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I never said your name, dude. I was like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: you are a bitch. And I was like, if you
Speaker 4: don't start making If you don't start having your own
Speaker 4: voice with what you want to do, you can't. But
Speaker 4: I see now that he was just trying to protect Zaza. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's why I was also like, dude, we're gonna
Speaker 4: go in like you could try all you want. You know,
Speaker 4: it's slim pickens. And honestly, later on in the season,
Speaker 4: it's like it's gonna get even real. You know, it's
Speaker 4: just not starting to get nitty gritty.
Speaker 1: You's a deal with this you and Corey situation. What
Speaker 1: was that about?
Speaker 4: Well, it was just we were working together, like when
Speaker 4: we would have challenges and we would win. But my
Speaker 4: my only issue with him was he was constantly protecting Berna,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, dude, whatever, like all right, like
Speaker 4: I can't work with you because you want to you're
Speaker 4: gonna pick Berna over me, and you gotta go because
Speaker 4: I don't fuck with Berna.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody's got to protect the hall monitor a girl,
Speaker 1: because I mean, though, look, I can't falter. I'm gone.
Speaker 1: If I'm trying to go to sleep and I just
Speaker 1: hear some smacking, I would be annoyed to, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah.
Speaker 4: But like interrupting me and Manuel. I was like, all right, girl,
Speaker 4: you are reaching.
Speaker 1: Wait but what were you and a Manuel doing?
Speaker 4: Raven nothing?
Speaker 1: I mean, she couldn't interrupt if there was nothing happening.
Speaker 4: We were just talking. We were just talking in the
Speaker 4: hallway and he was like a leaning over me, like
Speaker 4: you know, he had his arm above me and he
Speaker 4: was like leaning in towards me kind of thing. And
Speaker 4: we were just talking.
Speaker 3: So you talk about him, you smile? What what what's up?
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 2: Every single time you talk about this man, you smell
Speaker 2: you like him?
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you like him?
Speaker 4: No, I don't like him.
Speaker 1: I need to see it. Do you love him? And
Speaker 1: it's still talking? When was the last time you talked
Speaker 1: to you? Manuel?
Speaker 5: So we just chat over social media?
Speaker 4: But we we really are just cool, like for real, real,
Speaker 4: like we're just cool. And it's just it makes me
Speaker 4: smile because nothing ever went that far, and I feel
Speaker 4: like we worked well together. So it was just it
Speaker 4: was nice to have like that energy because I was
Speaker 4: so tired of the game. So just to like have
Speaker 4: someone to laugh with and like be cool with it
Speaker 4: was it was cool. It was nice to have.
Speaker 1: So you liked. Canoodling with him is basically what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing that's that's how did you kneel when you found
Speaker 1: out about your team for this week? So when TJ
Speaker 1: was like, it's going to be Jay Asaf Olivia and
Speaker 1: you were you excited about that? Did you feel like
Speaker 1: you guys had a really good chance to pull out
Speaker 1: a win?
Speaker 4: Or I was honestly not super ecstatic working with Ja
Speaker 4: because I felt like he was not really trying to
Speaker 4: work with me, and I kind of had a feeling
Speaker 4: I was like, this man might try to throw this
Speaker 4: challenge just so I can lose.
Speaker 1: I really interesting. Yeah it was that bad?
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I felt like he was good. I felt
Speaker 4: like you could try.
Speaker 5: To throw the challenge.
Speaker 4: And then Olivia, I'm gonna be honest, like she wasn't
Speaker 4: even in the gym, like the whole time we were there.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even until like halfway through the season. I
Speaker 4: saw her ass finally get on a treadmill and I
Speaker 4: was like, I already know we picking up some heavy shade.
Speaker 4: I'm like she might gas out and maybe.
Speaker 1: She was practicing trivia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I should have practiced trivia.
Speaker 1: Girl Raven Oh Raven who has Cristiano Ronaldo or Kylie Jenner, Yo, I.
Speaker 4: Never Christiano who I said? I said, who's Christina?
Speaker 1: That's what I said? She has almost double Uh.
Speaker 4: Was like check check, I know right, absolutely, Lloyd, I
Speaker 4: don't watch soccer. I had no idea who. That was
Speaker 4: not a clue.
Speaker 1: You are hilarious. Okay, So I have a quick trivia
Speaker 1: question for you. Just see her. Which direction does this sunrise? Easter?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 5: I actually know, I actually know east.
Speaker 4: Good job?
Speaker 1: Yes, what is the capital city of France? Luxembourg or Paris?
Speaker 4: Paris?
Speaker 1: It took you too long to answer that, but is
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: In what country would you find the Great Wall? China? Russia?
Speaker 4: Job?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about them calling you Dory? By
Speaker 1: the way, because we've heard.
Speaker 4: More, No man James started that fucking ship because like
Speaker 4: his ass would be speaking with his deep ass accent
Speaker 4: and I'd be like, what are you saying and He's
Speaker 4: like do you need me to repeat it? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm motherfucker because your fucking accent is hard to understand.
Speaker 4: And then to be fair, I listen, Yeah it did.
Speaker 4: It did. Like I didn't let it get under my skin,
Speaker 4: but if I wanted to, it could have you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because it's like, y'all think I'm stupid,
Speaker 4: but really I just like to play stupid. I really
Speaker 4: do like and to be fair, I do be saying
Speaker 4: shit sometimes not thinking about other people, and it just
Speaker 4: comes off very like just inconsiderate and sensitive.
Speaker 1: Look, Dory was cute on the movie, so you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I think they're the worst things to be called.
Speaker 4: Listen, Nemo would have never been found if it wasn't
Speaker 4: for Dory. So y'all can kiss my ass.
Speaker 1: And Dory is a fighter. Just keep swimming right, just
Speaker 1: literally like maybe you are Dory, but for other reasons
Speaker 1: that you're the fighter. You're like, yay, there you go.
Speaker 4: I might get Dory tatted on me.
Speaker 5: I can't even lie.
Speaker 1: Oh god, we didn't take it that far, you know.
Speaker 1: I make tattoo pins now that you're better temporary start that, sir.
Speaker 4: No, I really might because I have like a garden
Speaker 4: on my ankle with like butterflies and flowers.
Speaker 3: So maybe baby fish don't go in the garden, you know.
Speaker 5: What, They go around water then like a little lake
Speaker 5: garden water.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about what you had to eat, where
Speaker 1: came from?
Speaker 4: Where came from?
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say it, but this is what
Speaker 1: I was thinking. What was it like when you saw
Speaker 1: all the things that you were gonna have to eat?
Speaker 1: Were you instantly intimidated? Were you feeling like, nah, I
Speaker 1: can do this?
Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, I wasn't too worried because I'm vegetarian, so
Speaker 4: I said, listen, I'm gonna take the vegetarian option. I
Speaker 4: don't have to think twice about it. And then when
Speaker 4: that came about, I was like, oh, was it spicy?
Speaker 1: Was it bad?
Speaker 4: I can't even do tabasco, like I don't do hot sauce.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't do hot sauce.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that ship was brutal. It was like ghost
Speaker 4: peppers or something. I don't know what was.
Speaker 3: Worse, the heat or the oil, because you guys.
Speaker 1: Are drinking oil.
Speaker 5: The heat for sure.
Speaker 1: Wait, day, you've never had a chili oil. Chili oil
Speaker 1: on pizza is fire. No, I'm serious, poor little chili oil.
Speaker 1: The two keys on pizza either chili oil if you
Speaker 1: can handle the heat, or Mike's hot honey. It wasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the oil wasn't the worst part.
Speaker 5: But as soon as that I know.
Speaker 4: Colleen and Michelle's stomachs were fucked up, like I know
Speaker 4: it because one one swallow of that ship and my
Speaker 4: whole face was burning. I'm like, I can't even imagine
Speaker 4: finishing that with my intestines.
Speaker 1: Wait, how many bathrooms are in the challenge house?
Speaker 5: One? Okay?
Speaker 4: One, there's a one in every room, so okay, maybe
Speaker 4: like four? Five?
Speaker 1: Okay, I imagine they were super occupied since you guys
Speaker 1: had like another challenge right after the last elimination, So
Speaker 1: talk to us about that. Did you guys just like
Speaker 1: go home and change and then meet TJ at this
Speaker 1: new location?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when Kylon finished his elimination, it was around
Speaker 4: twelve o'clock midnight.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: We didn't get started until like one thirty almost two am. Wow.
Speaker 1: What time did you guys finish that night or that day?
Speaker 4: You know, the sun was coming up, the sun was
Speaker 4: coming up. It was probably like six or seven am. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was the food they gave you guys, Well, we.
Speaker 4: Didn't know until we unlocked the boxes, but it was
Speaker 4: bore snout. It was pig skin and like colon or
Speaker 4: something pig brain because it just says brain soup. Come
Speaker 4: to find out, it was like pig brain and this
Speaker 4: spicy surprise, which was.
Speaker 5: Like the oil and chili's and stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing Olivia like swallow this pig snout. Tell me
Speaker 4: why she ends up cough? Okay, this is what's so
Speaker 4: fucked up. She's eating the pigs now and she she's
Speaker 4: coughing some of it up right, and it falls. Some
Speaker 4: of it falls on my glove, but I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't know it had landed on my glove. And
Speaker 4: this oil is like all over my face and I
Speaker 4: go to wipe my nose off and I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I was like, what is that smell? And I look
Speaker 4: at my glove and it was like some fucking pig
Speaker 4: snout from Olivia and I was.
Speaker 5: Like, bro, I'm so weak, I'm weak. Yeah, it was
Speaker 5: just it fucked me all up.
Speaker 4: That night challenge was I was really hoping, man, like,
Speaker 4: shit was gonna go differently.
Speaker 1: But who are you hoping they threw in?
Speaker 4: I was hoping that they would do well. Colleen had
Speaker 4: I already won, so she was out of the question,
Speaker 4: and so I was really really hoping for Berner. I
Speaker 4: was really hoping for Berner because just before that, Michelle
Speaker 4: and Berner were like into it, and you know, most
Speaker 4: of us didn't really fuck with Berna like that in
Speaker 4: the first place. So I was really hoping it was
Speaker 4: going to be her. But then when I knew it
Speaker 4: was then when they said it was me, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's probably gonna be zas Off.
Speaker 1: Berna. Now the season is rapped.
Speaker 4: I haven't spoke to her. I haven't spoke to her
Speaker 4: when when the show was first coming out, she was
Speaker 4: reposting pictures and tagging everybody, but she would cover my
Speaker 4: face and like.
Speaker 1: Not tag me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it was just like girl, it was so petty.
Speaker 4: She would just cover my face not tag me, and
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, bet. But she did reach out
Speaker 4: like maybe last week or weekend after two weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and she she said she wanted to talk, but I
Speaker 4: just didn't respond. I'm like, I don't like if we're
Speaker 4: not cool by now, we're just not cool, so right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I thought it like she was. She was
Speaker 4: always in her head about things, she was always worried about,
Speaker 4: thinks she shouldn't have worked.
Speaker 1: Oh no, what is she?
Speaker 4: Uh? Oh? When she was trying to like downplay Zazo
Speaker 4: self nominating, like she's only Yeah. I'm like, bro, you
Speaker 4: should be kissing's feet right now. I'm like, what is
Speaker 4: wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ace ASoft did it as well though, which I
Speaker 1: didn't love, and Esaf was like, we already knew you.
Speaker 1: I feel like a soft kiss mea vibe where he's
Speaker 1: overly confident with nothing to back it up. And what
Speaker 1: I just mean by that is where he feels he
Speaker 1: talks as if he knows all the inner workings of
Speaker 1: like the alliance and all the inner workings of who's
Speaker 1: doing what. But like, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I think Zaza was brave to do it.
Speaker 1: She did brave or dumb, depending on how you want
Speaker 1: to but I think she was brave to do it
Speaker 1: because at that point it definitely looked like they were
Speaker 1: leaning towards Berna, right, I.
Speaker 4: Know, I know, man, I know. Yeah. With ASoft, it's
Speaker 4: he is very strong. When we had that sled challenge,
Speaker 4: let me tell you that man was mostly pushing that thing.
Speaker 5: Zoza was doing her part, but he was.
Speaker 4: He is a beast when it comes to like physicality
Speaker 4: and like doing physical.
Speaker 5: Stuff, for sure.
Speaker 4: But I also think what's so crazy is I didn't
Speaker 4: even he did not come off this. He was definitely
Speaker 4: having a whole facade in the house. And then it's
Speaker 4: like and then when you see the confessionals, it's like,
Speaker 4: oh wow, bro, like that's what you were on and
Speaker 4: I think yeah, and I think it had to do
Speaker 4: with him being with Jay.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this elimination. So you're there, are you
Speaker 1: nervous going into this elimination before you know that it's Laurel? Also,
Speaker 1: did you have an inkling from Michelle's crying basically that
Speaker 1: it was going to be Laurel?
Speaker 4: Or what was your I'm not I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: Seeing Michelle up there like afraid. That was my first
Speaker 4: time actually seeing Michelle afraid and I'm just like, she
Speaker 4: ain't Honestly, I'm like what what?
Speaker 5: What is? What is the hype around her?
Speaker 4: I'm like seeing her so afraid, I'm like, why have
Speaker 4: I never put perspective around that?
Speaker 1: As soon as she walked up, before she walked.
Speaker 4: In, yeah, oh yeah down yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah no, it did.
Speaker 4: It was. It was super surprising to see her so
Speaker 4: freaked out, not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: It was very surprising in that moment.
Speaker 1: Who would you want have wanted Laurel to pick Zaza,
Speaker 1: Michelle or someone else up.
Speaker 4: There Michelle all day and part of me, part of
Speaker 4: me was like wanted to tell Laurea.
Speaker 5: Like pick the middle, pick the middle, just pick the middle.
Speaker 1: Did you know it was the middle one?
Speaker 4: No, so I wasn't one hundred percent sure that that
Speaker 4: chaos was the middle. So and also I also like
Speaker 4: didn't want to fuck with fate, but part you know,
Speaker 4: but honestly, like if I had the opportunity again, even
Speaker 4: if I didn't know if it wasn't the middle or not,
Speaker 4: I would have just said, picked the middle anyway, because
Speaker 4: you know, what do I have to lose.
Speaker 5: I'm already down.
Speaker 2: There, but you have a Laurel win under your belt
Speaker 2: for not missing with faith though.
Speaker 4: Under your belt, I know that is still that is
Speaker 4: still so crazy to me, man, Like that is so crazy.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, dude, because what because what had happened was
Speaker 4: I was really annoyed with Zaza. I cannot even lie,
Speaker 4: like she was so giddy and like happy to be
Speaker 4: down there, and I'm like, why don't you just volunteer yourself?
Speaker 4: And you know, anyway, you know, it's just so happy
Speaker 4: to be down here, just just play, you know, but
Speaker 4: when it when I saw what type of game it was,
Speaker 4: when I first walked in, I'm like, okay, it's not
Speaker 4: physical clearly. So I was like, I have a I
Speaker 4: have a fair shot.
Speaker 1: Ye, what was your strategy to My.
Speaker 4: Main strategy was to just not get the chains all
Speaker 4: tangled up and confused. So when I kept going back
Speaker 4: and forth trying to get the colors right, I put
Speaker 4: so much focus on just not getting the chains tangled
Speaker 4: up because I knew once that happened, I'm fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so that's why I was like going really slow
Speaker 4: at first, because I didn't want to like tangle it up.
Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to keep it in order
Speaker 4: so I could read, because I knew I would probably
Speaker 4: have to go back and double check and just be
Speaker 4: as quick as possible. That was really my only strategy.
Speaker 4: And then I don't know what the hell started happening.
Speaker 4: I was like mixing things around. I got to the
Speaker 4: point she had called check and I was still working, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then I was missing that one peg and then
Speaker 4: like the colors were off.
Speaker 5: I really I'm just trying to bring it, bring it back.
Speaker 4: So basically I was missing a color so I just
Speaker 4: moved all the colors like one.
Speaker 5: It was weird how I figured it out. I just
Speaker 5: I figured it out.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 2: I think it has to be the scariest thing to
Speaker 2: go through all of that complete a puzzle and then
Speaker 2: they say that's incorrect, because it's.
Speaker 1: Like where what incorrect?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Where do I even start?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, what's well what's crazy is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was. I was like, I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to try to memorize so many because that's
Speaker 4: you know, you can mess up easier like that. I
Speaker 4: was like, I'll just memorize three. Then I was like, well,
Speaker 4: if I just memorize three, I know I can memorize four.
Speaker 4: So then I was like, so then I started memorizing
Speaker 4: four and I was like, man, four things a little
Speaker 4: too easy. Let me try memorizing five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I.
Speaker 4: Kind of started to suck up. I was like, let
Speaker 4: me just stick to four.
Speaker 1: And it was really cool seeing the softer side of
Speaker 1: Laurel also, which is interesting. You know, you spoke earlier
Speaker 1: about how like you can't just be good like a
Speaker 1: winner off of your social gameplay or whatever else, and
Speaker 1: I think Laurel is one of the few people who
Speaker 1: her social gameplay, at least in the past, didn't always
Speaker 1: necessarily matter because when it comes to competing, she can
Speaker 1: go into like robot mode almost. But when we get
Speaker 1: the glimpses of her feelings and emotion and see some
Speaker 1: of that softer side, it's really nice to see. And
Speaker 1: so seeing her say that she was proud of you
Speaker 1: and giving that big hug, how did that feel in
Speaker 1: that moment, and how did it feel watching it back?
Speaker 5: I just I just really want to cry because I just.
Speaker 4: Laurel is someone that I've looked up to as a
Speaker 4: competitor and just being on the challenge, and to for
Speaker 4: her to see that she sees something in me that
Speaker 4: is so hard for me to bring out of myself,
Speaker 4: but I know it's there, but she tells me, you
Speaker 4: know you got it, like you can do it, and
Speaker 4: it's just it's such a wonderful feeling. And I look
Speaker 4: up to Laurel so much and I will have her
Speaker 4: back always, like because she donated five hundred dollars to
Speaker 4: my dad's go fund me when.
Speaker 5: When we found out he had cancer. This was before anything.
Speaker 4: She is a very like She's just an amazing human
Speaker 4: being and that's why she is such a beast, and
Speaker 4: she's such a strong competitor because she really does have
Speaker 4: a good heart. And I feel like the best competitors
Speaker 4: have the best heart, but they just people just don't
Speaker 4: always get to see it because we're in this type
Speaker 4: of environment with like the game and stuff.
Speaker 5: But in actuality, she's such a sweet.
Speaker 4: Genuine, kind person and she plays the game for the
Speaker 4: right reasons she and she's honest, and I just I
Speaker 4: look up to her in that sense as a competitor,
Speaker 4: and beating her, I was just like, wow, dude, Like
Speaker 4: I am not afraid of any fucking buddy anymore.
Speaker 5: And that was what I needed.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, it's full force now and everybody that
Speaker 4: was afraid should be mother fucking afraid.
Speaker 1: I'm a right right that is on that now. We
Speaker 1: saw you say when they voted you in, you said,
Speaker 1: when I come back, I'm saying everybody's name, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know that's not how that works. You only
Speaker 1: get to say one name when you're deliberating motive people in.
Speaker 1: But who's the top of your list, who's the first
Speaker 1: person you're gunning for now that you're back in the house.
Speaker 4: Well, I really had to because I really had to.
Speaker 4: It was Michelle and it was burnout, but I really
Speaker 4: like something in me was just like Michelle is way
Speaker 4: more vital to get out. But then I like like
Speaker 4: that was my gut telling me. But then my mind
Speaker 4: is like, no, Raven, be cool, Like she's cool. She's cool.
Speaker 4: She's cool because we.
Speaker 1: Are helping you too at the elimination or.
Speaker 4: We well it's it's but she wanted right, And that's
Speaker 4: when I took it first too, like I can take
Speaker 4: things really just like on the surface, like if you
Speaker 4: tell me this guy is purple and I ain't been
Speaker 4: outside all day, I'd be like what really really, like
Speaker 4: what's going on? You know? You know, like I'm very
Speaker 4: I trust people for their word, and that's what this
Speaker 4: game has taught me is like you can't do that
Speaker 4: because really in actuality, people might say they fuck with you,
Speaker 4: but then they actually have hate and jealousy inside and
Speaker 4: it's not for your best interest. And so after at
Speaker 4: first I thought, oh, she's helping me because she wants
Speaker 4: me to win. No, she just wanted Laurel to.
Speaker 5: Lose, to lose, yeah, yeah, And I'm like why didn't.
Speaker 4: I like just pay attention to that and take it
Speaker 4: for what it was instead of trying to make it
Speaker 4: what I wanted it to be.
Speaker 1: Hm, where do you and Michelle stand? Now?
Speaker 4: We're cordial, Like we're cool, you know, Like she ended
Speaker 4: up telling me why she had animosity towards me all season,
Speaker 4: which really I think it's because I was just a
Speaker 4: strong player and she was scared. But we're like, we're cordial.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: She lives right over the bridge in New Jersey, but we.
Speaker 4: Haven't hung out at all since, and I'm in New York,
Speaker 4: you know, and so I feel like that just says enough,
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 5: Says a lot.
Speaker 4: But we're cordially, you know, like I don't have any
Speaker 4: problems with her, Like she was playing a game at
Speaker 4: the end of the day and that's fine.
Speaker 1: So basically, it sounds like, aside from yourself, you're definitely
Speaker 1: not rooting for her to win this season.
Speaker 5: Right, Nope, definitely not.
Speaker 1: Who are you outside of yourself?
Speaker 5: Outside of myself? Who am I rooting for?
Speaker 4: Let me think about all the girls. Let's say Laurel
Speaker 4: had beat you today, well that day, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would have been rooting for Zaza, and I would
Speaker 4: have been I would have been rooting for Nourice. Can't
Speaker 4: lie not like, you know, not one hundred how far
Speaker 4: we've come, yeah, like you know, but it was still
Speaker 4: hard to believe. Like even then I questioned Nourice, I'm like,
Speaker 4: are her feelings real towards me? Like does she really
Speaker 4: want to call me a friend?
Speaker 5: Does she?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: I would say, we had her on the podcast recently,
Speaker 1: and she spoke so highly of you. I mean, she
Speaker 1: did say your nickname was Dory, but she spoke so
Speaker 1: highly of you and also just kind of like your
Speaker 1: innocence and stuff, and it was really it was it
Speaker 1: was sweet to.
Speaker 4: Hear, yeah, which was it was so hard to accept
Speaker 4: in the house because I didn't know, you know, and
Speaker 4: part of me was like is she playing me?
Speaker 5: Like are we really cool?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And but now outside of it, I definitely like I
Speaker 4: do love her, and I feel like we are a
Speaker 4: lot we can relate a lot more now that we're
Speaker 4: getting to know each other. And she's just genuine and
Speaker 4: she's real, like she's one of the realest ones in
Speaker 4: the house, Like she tells it like it is, and
Speaker 4: she's not afraid of who agrees and who doesn't agree.
Speaker 5: And I look up to her confidence like so much.
Speaker 4: And it really took this season for me to see
Speaker 4: what I'm capable of, not even in the show, but
Speaker 4: outside in real life. And that's why I've always loved
Speaker 4: the challenge because it just it just does that you know.
Speaker 1: It does that is that is at the essence of
Speaker 1: this show and anyone who has the privilege to play
Speaker 1: this game in real life, it one hundred percent can
Speaker 1: be a life defining moment. Free Yeah, teach you so
Speaker 1: much about yourself, which is so magical, and you coming
Speaker 1: on the podcast today, Raven has taught us so much
Speaker 1: about you. I will never look at Dory the same,
Speaker 1: but know that that is said with love, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you got to say your peace and your side
Speaker 1: and we're excited to see you continue and coming back
Speaker 1: sort of empowered in this game now where you don't
Speaker 1: feel like the underdog, maybe you take the reins. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what happens. For those who want
Speaker 1: to follow you though and keep up with you, know,
Speaker 1: everything that's going on with you, Where can they find
Speaker 1: you on social.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm definitely popping on Instagram. That's where I usually
Speaker 4: keep everyone up. Today it's its r A the y D.
Speaker 4: It's Raven on Instagram, and it's the same for TikTok
Speaker 4: and we ain't got to worry about Facebook, and yeah,
Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok, it's Raven. That's where you can find me.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 1: Love it love.
Speaker 2: I want to be sure to say that I because
Speaker 2: I was one of the people who was like, you know,
Speaker 2: Raven versus the Shoe in your first season, because baby,
Speaker 2: you have come a long way though, and I'm so
Speaker 2: so proud of you, like.
Speaker 3: From we saw to hear my goodness, I'm sory.
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Girl?
Speaker 4: I also want to say I am a huge fan
Speaker 4: of you as well, like you are so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: now you are real ast fuck and I just want
Speaker 4: to take that energy like you cam like just like
Speaker 4: not caring and just believing in your self, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like that.
Speaker 5: No matter like, yeah I got flaws, like I'm.
Speaker 4: Not perfect, but I just this game has taught me
Speaker 4: to believe in myself and just to and just to
Speaker 4: and in the shoe situation, what is crazy is like
Speaker 4: I think that's just the part of I just think
Speaker 4: my feet are too powerful because even in some of
Speaker 4: the challenges this season. My shoe has come off.
Speaker 5: My shoe came off during the elimination with Hugh Huey, So.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's your shoe tying skills that need at this point.
Speaker 4: At this point, I would rather compete with no shoes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be real because I'm just feeling better with
Speaker 4: no shoes. But thank you. I do. I do think
Speaker 4: I have come such a long way, not even in
Speaker 4: the game, but also in real life.
Speaker 5: Like, I do love.
Speaker 4: The challenge and it is a privilege to be on it,
Speaker 4: and when I get the opportunity again, you know, guarantee,
Speaker 4: like I'm not gonna take it for granted.
Speaker 5: And I'm just so grateful.
Speaker 1: That makes me. I'm glad you came to hang out
Speaker 1: with us, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys so much.
Speaker 3: Such a great interview.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that Raven decided to come and hang
Speaker 2: out with us. Yes, I love it when people come
Speaker 2: and talk to us, and I love it when the
Speaker 2: people can find us. So where can they find you
Speaker 2: on the social media's miss Devin.
Speaker 1: Girl, I don't know. I'm still trying to find myself,
Speaker 1: but in the meantime, you can find me on my website.
Speaker 1: Devin Simone dot com Den with the y Simone with
Speaker 1: an I. And for those who ask why I always
Speaker 1: spell it out all the time, someone tweeted me the
Speaker 1: other day and spelled it wrong. So that's why you
Speaker 1: can scroll off the bottom and see my socials. I'm
Speaker 1: most active on Instagram. My TikTok's kind of like Davon's YouTube,
Speaker 1: but you can still go there and follow me. Uh
Speaker 1: huh and uh yeah, day where can they find you?
Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at dave Avon Underscore.
Speaker 2: You can also find me on Instagram at Davon Diane
Speaker 2: Underscore and ask for now.
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. I would love to.
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