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Speaker 1: We kind of have a unique all ball this week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll try and drop one in the coming days as well,

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Speaker 1: focusing on one of the other Hall of Fame inductees.

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Speaker 1: But my late head coach, Eddie Sutton was is going

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Speaker 1: It was an incredibly special and poignant moment um. I

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Speaker 1: I give you a couple of my thoughts here as

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Speaker 1: my dad coach with him at Creighton in the sixties,

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Speaker 1: And um, I told some of these stories previously on

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Speaker 1: We have to play half court. I don't think y'all

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00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: were there, No, it was. It was with us was

428
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: the first shooting and that was half were like, what

429
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: the yeah? And then and then and then everybody had

430
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: to be across half court. If you're playing full court,

431
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: every but he had to be across half court. And

432
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: he took a shot, and you gotta do trailing or

433
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: not running the floor. Basket didn't count all that. Yeah,

434
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: And it used to be a manage. A manager used

435
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: to be the one that would have to come down

436
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: and say, hey, coach, want you guys to pass the

437
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: ball five times before before you take a shot. Really,

438
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: we're like coaches even around because that was not fun

439
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: pickup ball, not at all. Let me let me, let me,

440
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: let me hit on this real quack. I can remember

441
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: our first practice. It was two of the practice that Pete.

442
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if he remembers this, but um, it

443
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: was over fall break and like you get coach, you know,

444
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: in the fall before practice, and you know how he

445
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: is and everything else. He can be really tough and

446
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: and harder you and everything else. But then you get

447
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: into practice and you go through that first practice and

448
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: and you leave Gallagher, you're going home to take a nap,

449
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: and you're like, holy what did I just sign up for?

450
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: What I get myself into? Then you come back to

451
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: second practice and and I remember, I remember leaving Gallagher

452
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: after that second practice thing, and there's no way I

453
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: can play for this man. This this is insane. This

454
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: is crazy, mom. It's hard, it's tough, you know, very demanding.

455
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, you go through a practice and

456
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: you don't really one thing, like you hear everything about it.

457
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: Hold on. I remember the first like week, he didn't

458
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: do ship. He just sat there and took notes. And

459
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: then Micah, and then Michael would sit next to him

460
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: talk is here all right? And sometimes you fall asleep

461
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: asleep I can remember, I remember, I remember what you say.

462
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: I remember what you said. Practice. I remember we're in

463
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: the middle of practice and dogs like dogs like ship.

464
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: Look at Coach over extremely because like, we're not gonna

465
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: be awa the damn. He's like, we must not be

466
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: with the damn of coach and Paul's leap and practice.

467
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: But I was getting I was getting back to Yeah,

468
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I was getting back to a deal with Pete. With

469
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Pete after that first to a day, I remember Pete coming.

470
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: You know, we all lived in ben It. I remember

471
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Pete coming up to my room. I don't know if

472
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: people remembers this or not, but I tell this story

473
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: all the time, and when people ask me about playing

474
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: for coach, I'm like, Pete comes in the room, sits down,

475
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: he boughs a little six pack, you know. He comes

476
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: in the room, We sit in the room, you know,

477
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: and and and we're just having a couple of beers

478
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: after practice, and he's like, basically, this is how practice is.

479
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: This is the way it's gonna be, you know, And

480
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: and get used to it because it's not gonna get

481
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: any easier. You got one of them, I'm thinking to

482
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: test this. So my visit all right, this is this,

483
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: This is like the whole everybody thinks, like you go

484
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: to somewhere, be recruiting this. It's so stupid. And so

485
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: I was supposed to come out on like Tuesday, and

486
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: you guys played A and M on a Wednesday, and

487
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: you guys plat any good and A M was worse

488
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: and so uh, and then I was going to Oregon.

489
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Oregan played Arizona on Thursday, and so I was supposed

490
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: to leave like first thing Tuesday morning. There, watched the

491
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: game Wednesday night. You guys after the game on the

492
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, go to order. So I go down to

493
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Orange Country Airport and my flights delayed. It's like seven

494
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: to eight to nine, Okay, you don't take off to

495
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: like three in the afternoon. I'm like what, So I

496
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: land still. I land in Oklahoma City at like ten

497
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: eleven at night. Sean picks me up, and you know,

498
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: we talked like the whole way back, so I didn't

499
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: even know we're still so dark. You know, I wasn't

500
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: paying attention anyway, get up the next morning it's not

501
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: a particularly nice day. Uh, coach drives me around campus. Right,

502
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: I'll never get this ship ever. And he was like,

503
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: show literally showing me Everything's like that stayed upon. When

504
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: I was in school, everybody's goal was to have sex

505
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: at data Polish. I was like, what, like, yeah, that

506
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: was that was the like the it was like an achievement.

507
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: You could have sex shi date upon. I was like,

508
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: how like, you know the benches are you're playing a

509
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: bank get or you go at night or whatever, like

510
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: and kids don't do it now. It's like and I

511
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: was like and I wanted to say, like, oh, is

512
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: that like you and Patsy? Was that like when I

513
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: knew better than that? Right? I knew anewn better than that. Um,

514
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: But anyway, they played in him. I remember I was

515
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: watching like shoot around now. I was watching warm ups

516
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: and Maces doing all these crazy dunks, and I was like, man,

517
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: why aren't they better? Like you guys are like he

518
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: was nice and Maces nice and he just didn't you know,

519
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: Joe was I but like they were kind of they

520
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: don't really have point guards. Anyway, I think he has

521
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: won the game. We go back to Pete's apartment. At Fennett.

522
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what we're gonna do? Pete, Pete, you know,

523
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Pete goes and he's got like a six pack or

524
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: maybe a case. Yeah, this is what we're gonna do.

525
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We sat around, told stories,

526
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: drink beer, like, huh, it was Tuesday night, you know,

527
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: it couldn't be too much. I think it was a Wednesday,

528
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: wasn't it was? It was what was before we got

529
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: to like, uh, karaoke Wednesday night. It at Willie's in

530
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: the spring, so okay, um, but so I remember him

531
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: not doing ship right and then uh, and then all

532
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like I also remember being you can

533
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: attest to this. You struggle a little bit to pick

534
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: up things right. So he sent you upstairs, right, you

535
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: don't come down until you know all the plays. That was.

536
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: That was Michael Johbnson. No, that was the smartest, dumbest

537
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: kid he's ever coached his life. It was his last practice. Yeah,

538
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: I was just last practice. He goes, You're the dumbest

539
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: smart kid I've ever had. Okay, so dude, he sent

540
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: you up there with judge. Yes, that's the problem. So

541
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Paul Graham was that fell defense wrong? Enough, Scott reports, Uh,

542
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: so he sends you up there to learn all of

543
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: the plays, and then you come down the next day

544
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: and you're worse because now it's not that you don't know.

545
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: You know everything that p G told you. He just

546
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: told you the wrong ship right judging? No ship like

547
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: judge like ship? I know I was ship? Was that called?

548
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: What was that called? Hey, so Pete, what was coached like?

549
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: So your first two years, you guys are not very good? No,

550
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: what was he like? What was he like to you though?

551
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: Because you were still like you were his guy? At

552
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: least that's how was to us, like we thought you were.

553
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: Your last name was Sutton, my pet My freshman year

554
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: was you know, no expectations. They were my final four,

555
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: so I kind of gotta pass a year plus me

556
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: suck so I score a few points. He didn't really

557
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: say shu to me, Um, Pete, always tell him and

558
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: we're getting some help make sure because we had Joe

559
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: and Masong's guys coming. So freshman was really and he

560
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: just talked how bad the other guys were. He didn't

561
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: really mess with me a lot of my sophomore years.

562
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: The worst year ever. That was the worst year because

563
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: he rode me. He called my parents. He three and

564
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: to send me back home multiple times. Um, he told good,

565
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: So this is blacket. We're trying to explain to people

566
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: what it was really like. Okay, so give me the

567
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: what it was really like in terms of him threatening

568
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: to send you home, Well do it? What's up fellas?

569
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: What's up? Alight? So so so so what what was it?

570
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Give me that? Give me the Give me the story

571
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: behind the um he said threatened to send you home

572
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: because he tried to send I think all of this home.

573
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: He told me, you know, multiple times, he called all

574
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: of our parents. He didn't even call your girlfriend. He

575
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: not called my girlfriend. He did make an extra hour

576
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: and a half. I'll tell that story in a second,

577
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: so go ahead with the detail. The first time he

578
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: threatened to send you home, he it was after practice.

579
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was I wasn't doing very good.

580
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he called me to the office.

581
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: He had my dad on speaker phone and he just said, hey,

582
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: you need to talk to your son. He made up

583
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: all this ship whatever, but he Um, he left the room,

584
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: and so my dad was pissed. He said, I'm you're

585
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: embarrassing me. All kind of stuff. So he comes back

586
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: in and he said, well, he needs to correct this,

587
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna send him on the bus back to

588
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: Little Rock and my dad I was like, dude, what

589
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the hell did you do? You don't even get in

590
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: trouble now. He pissed off, you know. So he was

591
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: a big fan of culture. So after that, my mom

592
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: talked to me and he just they were like, you

593
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: gotta fix something. I said, I didn't do anything. He

594
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: just mad because we're not very good. He's pissing everybody.

595
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: And he then he did it. Two weeks later. He said, hey,

596
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna send you home and he kicked out

597
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: of practice or something. But I mean, I just didn't

598
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I got drugg test every time I didn't smoke. I

599
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: got drugg this every time. Drug test popped up every time.

600
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: But I guess they knew who was who the test.

601
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, man, But yeah, but he

602
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: did drug test because my attitude one time. So maybe

603
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: that was said, I don't know, that's what you told me.

604
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: You're like, man, He's like, don't he'll drug test you.

605
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: In the second that was Brian for said, I was

606
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: someone's wrong with me. So he drugg test one day randomly,

607
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: So Brian Farr did uh B did he really drug

608
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: test us after we lost the duke or was that

609
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: just because he knew were out that surround? I think

610
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: he said it was the n c A. I think

611
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: that was the deal. I went to King went to

612
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: King Fisher. Yes, do you know that? You know? Okay,

613
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: so this this story we got Yes, we got back

614
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: from we got back from plane duke, right, we lost

615
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: the duke and we're heroes because we should be duke.

616
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: That was That was it. That was That was how work.

617
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: So uh if you remember, that was like Sunday Monday.

618
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: So Sunday night, me and I go out. That was

619
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: when you met your actual wife. That's when you met Amanda. Yes, yeah, yeah,

620
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: we hung out at Kyle Water's house maybe in somebody

621
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: else's house, and we were doing some ship and uh.

622
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: And so then the next day we go to Joe's

623
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: for green eggs and ham because it's St. Patrick's Day,

624
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: and we drank and mess around all day all we're

625
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: there like ten am, right, everybody's there. We're like heroes.

626
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: And so the next morning we get up and both

627
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: of us have a message from Brian Farr. We got

628
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: a drug test, and we're like, we're gonna plunk this.

629
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna plunk this truck test. What do we do?

630
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: So if you remember, remember the departments where Mace you

631
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: lived your senior year and where Clint Combs lived. Right, Uh,

632
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: what are those departments called? I forget ter? Okay, right

633
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: by the terraces, there's like a health food something store

634
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: and they had that golden sealed teeth and people like

635
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: you drink the golden sealed tea and so I tea

636
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: and being are drinking this tea. We're like, man, I

637
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: went to King Fisher, I was out leaves and I

638
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: just I gotta not answer the phone for like two

639
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: days because I'm going home to California. I don't know.

640
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: It's like spring break or along weekn or something like that.

641
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: We literally just twoduced out and never took the drug test.

642
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: That's really what happened, and we stick to this day.

643
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't know whether Brian far Southwest around or just

644
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: be legit had a drug test and we didn't show

645
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: up again. So we we started by everybody telling their

646
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: first story when they first met coach that you first

647
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: met coach Sutton. Where it went. I first met coach

648
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Sutton when he came to Washington practice UH and walks

649
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: to ashe and at the time, my coaches they were

650
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: still giving like licks. My high school coaches gave licks.

651
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: If you miss a layup, you turned the ball over,

652
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you got a lick. They called them hickys, and so

653
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: they were mark him at the end of every practice

654
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: like that was the first order of business. And so

655
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I remember coach Sutton coming to Washingon practice and talking

656
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: to my coach who was on a small town West

657
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Texas coach just came into a for a school, Randy Carlisle,

658
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: and UH coach Coach Sutton kept asking and what he's

659
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: marking down on these boys? Why he keeps stopping plays?

660
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: And he told him, well, we're doing these things they

661
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: called hickies. And said what's the hicky? And he said, well,

662
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I'll show you at the practice. So I have to practice.

663
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: The first thing that they did is find everybody up

664
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: on the wall and everybody got licks, all turnovers and

665
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: UH and miss layoup anything else. Now, would you by

666
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: the time you got home, would you be fired? No? Yeah,

667
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 1: you know, my crazy man nowadays guys will be fired

668
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: like crazy. But we had a mate a half times

669
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: the game. It was the first order business when we

670
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: came into the locker room the half time. You guys

671
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: had to take care of their Hicky. So don't miss

672
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: lay ups, don't turn them all over. That was my

673
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: first That was my first time with coaching. Coach coaches

674
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: blown away that uh that my coach was coaching that

675
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: way though it was, It was absolutely blown away. So

676
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: that's what you have to name hick. Do you remember

677
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: he used to come when we make turnovers? We had

678
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the Yeah, it was called it was called Hicky. We

679
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: we wrote him down on the board and it was

680
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: called the Hicky. Yeah, okay, did you like him? Uh

681
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: my coach? Yes, yeah, yeah, I know. I I you

682
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: know once I I didn't knew nothing about him the

683
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: first time I even knew anything about Oklahoma State University

684
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: when they were recruiting me. But I watched the final

685
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: four and I just kept hearing this got big countries.

686
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: So it was just and Randy. So it's fun to

687
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: watch him. Obviously they went to Seattle and then he

688
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: had Scott Bootless in Seattle. So I don't know, I

689
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: just as a small town Texas kid, I started watching

690
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: that that team and just kind of fell in love

691
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: with the team. So I started doing a little bit

692
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: more research on who Coach Sun was, and he was

693
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: just kind of a hard nosed coach, like like my coach,

694
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: minus the paddles. But I loved it when I first

695
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: met him. And uh, even through the recruiting process, he

696
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: shot me straight. He never promised me anything. Obviously. I

697
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: came in behind you know, Keante and Pete and those guys.

698
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: Marlon I was, I was part of that group. But

699
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Coach just he was no promising anything, Like I had

700
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: to work for whatever I got. So I was down

701
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: with that. Um, I mean I I loved him as

702
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: a coach. Even when I first met him. I had

703
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: no issues with Coach Suddon. He was just seeing like

704
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: a country guy. Alright, So you show up in school

705
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: pizza sophomore. They weren't very good, right you guys? You

706
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Joe Stell? Who else is in that? Whoever? Whatever? Scot Scott,

707
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Scott Robish, Yeah, yeah, Brett, uh Dad and yeah okay,

708
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: so uh what was what? What's your? What was your?

709
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Because my first memory was showing up walking up through

710
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: his office was like dimly lit and he gave me

711
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: some Westerns to watch. We were im gonna pick up

712
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: all when he made his play half past five times,

713
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: remember what do you remember about first? Like your first

714
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: practice is the first time you're you're you're playing for

715
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: this dude. Um, I would say, my my first time.

716
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Coach made it very clear that I had done nothing.

717
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: Um even in the in the in the bash, I

718
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: broke that backboard doing Eddie sutbash and didn't We had

719
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: our practice. UM thing was the next day and you know,

720
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: I was just playing hard and me and Kiante just

721
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: kind of got a little physical, but it was just

722
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, playing hard. And coached our practice and immediately

723
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: told me that I was nothing. Breaking the backboard means nothing. Uh.

724
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: Kyante has been there and done it, and he said, Paul,

725
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: I want you to take care of him. And Paul

726
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: Graham became here. He tried to make me his whipping boy,

727
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: but Coach made sure every chance he got to let

728
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: me know that Kiante was better and that I was

729
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: the nobody. The same thing with Aason scared. He would

730
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: put me on Jason and Jason would try to get

731
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: physical and uh, but Coach always stopped. He wouldn't let

732
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: me get physical back. So he was very adment about

733
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: me knowing that that, you know, I was gonna be

734
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: behind those guys and that was just the way it

735
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be. He Jason scared snowball story. Hey, you

736
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: guys played oh year the day before? Uh yeah, the

737
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: day before. I think I was walking, me and Jason

738
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: walking somewhere because I never really walked with the guy.

739
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: But man, we just started getting hit with snowballs. Man

740
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: ain't throwing snowballs at us. Tell him he sucked. And

741
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I was like, God, what's going on? Man? You know?

742
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: So that was my last time we walked with Jason.

743
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: I didn't realize everybody, you know, I didn't really like

744
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the guy, I guess, but it was. It was bad

745
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: for about five minutes. I got out of here. Man.

746
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: I I don't know if I don't know if he

747
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: remember that. I don't know if he remember this, especially

748
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: con chains of Jason um coach put it. Put me

749
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: on him one day in practice and the ball was

750
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: going out of bounds, and so we're, you know, dad

751
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: to the scores tables up, so we're chasing the ball

752
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: out of bounds and I'm hustling and I go to

753
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: reach for the ball and throw it back in and

754
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: he pushes me over the score table. I grabbed the

755
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: jersey and I pulled him with I mean, we kind

756
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: of get tangled up, so I pulled him over with me,

757
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: and we immediately get into it and Coach Sutton stops it.

758
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: And I think it wasn't long after that. It may

759
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: have been a few days because he lived with hard

760
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Deal more. I think at the time that wrestling, and

761
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't long after that. In the middle of the

762
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: night or Jason told nobody anything. He got stuff, got

763
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: left all this stuff in his locker and left town. Yeah,

764
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: I remember that he lived Hardy. No, no, he yeah,

765
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: he lived with hard Deal. Oh yeah, he lived with

766
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: hard dealth with that year he left, he lived with

767
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: hard Deal. Hard there was the one that told me

768
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: he lived town. Well, he told everybody left town. But

769
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: Jason's dad called Coach Sutton and said that he wouldn't

770
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: be coming back to school at Oklahoma State. I think

771
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: he was transferred to Rice. If I'm not mistaken. He's

772
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: a strange cat man. I thought, I thought you told me,

773
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: And again maybe I got my stories us that the

774
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: night he left, you had told him to meet you

775
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: at the gym, like you guys should shoot at the

776
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: gym late at night, and like he no showed, and

777
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: you're like all right, and then you're like literally had

778
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: left town. Oh I don't remember, because I heard about

779
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: the next morning. So I don't have any players to

780
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: meet Jason anywhere to night. I promise you that I don't.

781
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we got the story twisted, but no,

782
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I heard about it like everybody else. Man, Okay,

783
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: so um, so make me. I was asking Pete about

784
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: his second year, your first year, what was that like

785
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: when you guys were bad? Man? It was for me,

786
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a huge transition, man.

787
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: I just I was. These guys are bigger. I mean

788
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: I played center half the time when I was in

789
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: high school. You know, I was able to shoot a

790
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: little bit out on the perimeter, but I mean I

791
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: played most the center center. I was the second toldst

792
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: out my team. So when I got in, I mean,

793
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: he got all these big guys. I mean even my

794
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: class coming in if there was unbelievably talented that I

795
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: mean just athletic as Heck, Joe could really shoot the ball.

796
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: Webber and and Robish two big guys. I mean I

797
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: hadn't even played against guys that big, you know when

798
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: I was in high school. UM. And then you had Pete.

799
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: And the one thing I always tell people about Pete,

800
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: as you know, if he put the ball on the

801
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: floor one or two times and pull up, I mean

802
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: like his release was much higher than most people can

803
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: jump from a defensive recovery standpoint. He jumped so high

804
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: off the ground and he can really shoot the ball,

805
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: especially from the midrange. And I'm chasing Keyante at about

806
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: the elbow, Coach. They would given to him to the elbow,

807
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: and he just started going to work at the elbow.

808
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: It was just a hard transition, you know for me,

809
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: and I really stuck with a lot of the guys.

810
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: I came in UM from a class standpoint where because

811
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: I just, I mean, we none of us knew each

812
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: other that well, but you know I knew them through

813
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: the recruit for I says, but it was tough, man,

814
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: It was you know, I heard you guys talking about

815
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the practices, UM, you know, coach was it wasn't easy.

816
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: But for me from a transitional standpoint, it was. It

817
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: wasn't easy. It was It was a pretty hark transition.

818
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: When did When did it change? For you? Except for

819
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: me it was a little different, only that because I

820
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: had played my dad a coached with him, Like I

821
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: felt like my first half of my first year it

822
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: was cool, like nobody said ship and all of a sudden,

823
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: like semester when they know you're staying then all then

824
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: they like they flipped and you can't do anything right,

825
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: like literally, you can't do anything right, like man, tak

826
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: a shirt in the locker is a mess. We went

827
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: into your we went into your apartment. It's a mess, right,

828
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: your great son, you get back on defense, louse ch

829
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: attitude right here, you're like, what like five minutes ago,

830
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you guys didn't say ship? Now all of a sudden

831
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: you're AUMBI uh mace. When did it change? When didn't?

832
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: Because when we when I started playing with you, I

833
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: remember he would he never went, at least in public,

834
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: full frontal on you. When did How did he get

835
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: on you? Wanted to change? For you? Man? For me,

836
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: he always did it through my dad. Yeah, he always

837
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: he used my dad because he knew that, you know,

838
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: he called my dad, and my dad was the guy

839
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: that was getting the car and drive four hours and

840
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: being still water. He did many times. And then what

841
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: what he thought is because my dad and Paul Graham

842
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: had a fairly good relationship, you know, and um, you guys,

843
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember me and Paul Graham had you know,

844
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: many battles in practice. You know where I really got

845
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: in his face. I just didn't. I liked him, but

846
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. But he used Paul Graham. Um also,

847
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: as you know, another asset for him to really really

848
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: jump on me. And he would call me in the

849
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: office and have you know, very serious conversations with me.

850
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: But he knew if he called my dad. He called

851
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: my dad from the scores table, made me talk to

852
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: him in front of these guys, Um, come take me

853
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: far away when you come, you come over till your

854
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: dad what you said to me, like oh ship? And

855
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: then he'd be like yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, I

856
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: love you too. Click like and all of a sudden,

857
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: doesn't blocking shots and doing crazy ship? Right? Yeah, he did.

858
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: He did that. He used him. He threatened it, just

859
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: like he did all of those threatening to run me

860
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: back to walk to hatchie. He did. He used that

861
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: against us all. But that was I mean my sophomore

862
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: years when it really switched for me. Um, Brian, your

863
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: your sophomore year, you didn't play very much right as

864
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: mass playing the four. We had Robo at the five,

865
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: and you had repeated three right. They're just not not

866
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: a lot of minutes when you got those three right. Uh,

867
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: and then we had just a bunch of other dudes

868
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: kind of fighting for back up minutes. But you basically

869
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: want us the oh you game at the three jo

870
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: line and you got carried off the court. Yeah. What

871
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: was coach like, remember, like because you were like like

872
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: he got that we played right away for right, and

873
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: so he kind of started by letting us do our

874
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: thing and then reels us back in. For you, it

875
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: was kind of the opposite where he started out on

876
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: you and then eventually kind of through and earnest respect.

877
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Was it that moment, like when did it kind of

878
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: change for you? Um? I wouldn't say. Honestly, it changed

879
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: for me and to my junior year. I think the

880
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Ou game you probably thought it was just kind of

881
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: like a flute deal, um honestly, but I was just

882
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: happy the fact that, you know, to take advantage of

883
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: the opportunities that I did get my first year playing,

884
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of dudes I felt like you had

885
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: to beat out, you had to pass. And then also

886
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: they would bring guys in, uh that played the same

887
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: position as you when they were recruiting, you know, during

888
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: the year while you were playing. So, um, I think

889
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: things changed for me my junior year, you know. I

890
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: mean I remember having a different conversations with coach and

891
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: the fall um you know about you know, playing and

892
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: things like that, and then you know, I could just

893
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: see our relationship evolving. Um, I think I settled in

894
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot more. Uh. You know, I was playing with

895
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. Um, but a lot of it

896
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: got to you know, He's not an easy man to

897
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: play for. I mean some guys, some guys play right away,

898
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: but very few guys come in and play their first year.

899
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times it takes you a

900
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: year to get used to, you know, what he demands

901
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: out of you. Um. You know, So for me, it

902
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: was it was one of those things where and I

903
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: know we've all seen a lot of guys come and

904
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: go on the program that we played with, and it

905
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: was you know dudes that they just couldn't They couldn't

906
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: get it right. Man, They couldn't figure out how to

907
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: play for him. Um so what was the white dude's name?

908
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: He was a big guy. He might have been insist class,

909
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: might have been in your class who wouldn't come out

910
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: of his room, wouldn't come out of this? And yeah,

911
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: was that your your mace's here? Who? Who? Who's the

912
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: dream classes? That it wasn't my recruiting class. He came

913
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: in with Jason, with Jay Scare I think, yeah, he

914
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: was older. Yeah, and then he wouldn't come out of

915
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: his room. Dude, I don't even remember that guy. That's

916
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: the last first time I heard that. Mainly twenty man.

917
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what he won. The story was he

918
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: he went through like the pressure, like he was like

919
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: one of those everybody's been through it, like Brian was

920
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: talking about it. It was two days or three days

921
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: and started season or Christmas break right where there's nobody

922
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: around and there's no rule and they're you and and

923
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, and he like locked himself in

924
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: the room and wouldn't come out. I ain't coming out.

925
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: He think the stories of the guys who left are

926
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: better than the guys who stayed, Like Roy Canley, You guys,

927
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: rest in peace, the big Roy Canley. Remember when that

928
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: dude showed up, pig Roy, Big Roy. That was the

929
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: biggest st I've ever seen. You guys. You yeah, remember

930
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: taking I remember taking Roy to I took Roy to

931
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: Shortcakes on his visit. Man, Remember how we get money

932
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: to take We get for d M to take dudes out.

933
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: And you'd always try to You don't always try to

934
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: do you always try to hang out the Yeah, remember

935
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: I remember taking Roy? Remember taking Roy to freaking shortcakes. Shortcakes.

936
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: You can spend ten dollars there and eat you know

937
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: all you want to eat. Man. I remember remember dropping

938
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: him off at the hotel, like three dollars of my name.

939
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: After his visit, he spent the whole damn per dem up, man,

940
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing. You don't know the story of how

941
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: they found out he was left losing lake. Yes, okay,

942
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: so here here's so so he I think coaches rule

943
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: was he couldn't practice us unless he was like under

944
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: three sixty five, right, And this dude was like four

945
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: four bills when he came in, so he had like

946
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: he's like working out in the morning and practicing with

947
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: us and then working out and all said, his light

948
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: starts going. It makes no sense at all, Right, and

949
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: so this is like first semester of maybe our junior year, right,

950
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: our junior because he was their second semester, maybe our

951
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: sophomore year. I can't so anyway, maybe it was the

952
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: second semester, our second semester, I think our junior year,

953
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: my junior Pete senior. So big roys on the team.

954
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: He hadn't played a minute, or maybe he played a

955
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: little bit exhibition games, and they were like, remember we

956
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: had the swipe cards and every time you meal, you'd slay.

957
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: So coach had gone to all the what are they

958
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: called getting gallup or it and goes or whatever that

959
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: rusty one or whoever own you guys have had to

960
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: work there in the summer. Yeah, and he told him

961
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: that he could only sell him a turkey sandwich, right,

962
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: and then he gone to all the dining halls like

963
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: you got you guys, can't sell Roy any bad food.

964
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: So it made no sense. So he's eating turkey and

965
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: managers would go and eat with him. So finally they

966
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: get the key. You know, they had a key because

967
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: he lived in that same room that May slived in

968
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: when me and May slived together in Bennett Hall, right

969
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: up on the fourth floor. And they go into his

970
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: room and there's just like hostess rappers everywhere everywhere. So

971
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: they're like it's like a mystery, like where the fund

972
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: is he getting these hostess. They had a manager steak

973
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: out his place. This dude was he had like old

974
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: school prison doesn't break style. He had bed sheets tied

975
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: together with little basket and his girlfriend up put the

976
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: stuff in the basket, he rolled it into his room

977
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: and down the hostess. That's what happened. No, that's exactly

978
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. Remember, they put they put him

979
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: on a super salad diet. Coach put him on a

980
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: super salad diet, and they were they can't they weigh

981
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: him all. They would weigh him all the time, and

982
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: they were getting confused. Wise way would either stay the

983
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: same or he would go up four or five pounds

984
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: a time. So eventually coach put somebody on it. They

985
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: used to stick out the front of his uh dorm room,

986
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: so they put somebody on it. To find out that

987
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was giving him snacks and stuff through the

988
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: window of his dorm room. Yeah, that's when the movie

989
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Life was popular. Remember that coach Austin our strength coach

990
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: can right, he los, he lose ten pounds in a week,

991
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: and then come back on the weekend in game fifteen.

992
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: You like, you can't get he didn't get right. I

993
00:54:53,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: can't get right. You like like like program we all had.

994
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: We all had like battles of pon Graham. You know,

995
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: Sean was Jon was a little bit of different cat. Right.

996
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: We had Randall, Dickie oh or Ty Keller, our straight

997
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: coach was a dead lift champion. So we're doing all

998
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: this fucking dead list, which didn't help anybody, Right are

999
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: we doing here? And yet we were still really good?

1000
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: No sense at all. He must have been. Man, did

1001
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: anybody ever see coach drawn the whiteboard? Not not right

1002
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: on the whiteboard, because he had an incredible penmanship, But

1003
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't ever remember him drawing up the play? No, No,

1004
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: Sean was Sean was doing most of that, And whoever

1005
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: was doing the report was doing Jan Ran. I mean

1006
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: as much as I remember Shan Ran practice, his called

1007
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: most of the plays, um and whoever did the scout

1008
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: and report, you know they would you know, speak on

1009
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: things again. And we can't forget about coach Williams. You know,

1010
00:55:53,239 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: being son, you can you can see that church big

1011
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: balls all right with that group. Man, if you if

1012
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: you had anybody look at that coach and staff outside

1013
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: of Coach Sutton and said we would be as good

1014
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: as we were, I mean it was. There's nobody. You

1015
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: lost a lot of money trying to make that better.

1016
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: Because your favorite coach setting story, my favorite coach sutting

1017
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: Man probably would go back to when he called my dad.

1018
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we just talked about this, but

1019
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: that kind of blew my mind, man, I mean nothing.

1020
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: Coach didn't really mess with me a lot. So I didn't.

1021
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: He never really got onto me a whole lot. But

1022
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: just when we called my dad like two or three times,

1023
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, this dude is so I mean

1024
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: something else. And my dad was pissed. He was like, dude,

1025
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: you're embarrassing me with the hell are you doing? And

1026
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: he kept doing he kept calling it. I like the story.

1027
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: The story has never lined up. Yeah, the stories never

1028
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: lined up. Like by time you by time you talk

1029
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: to your parents, you're like, that's not what happened. Well,

1030
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: he remember back your pop stuff your pop from grabbed

1031
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: me at Applebee's after the game, like she you keep walking?

1032
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: That was that was just act you she you keep walking.

1033
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: He can't wait without you. You keep walking? Yea, like

1034
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: he tells you all that stuff, but he was that

1035
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: was different. No, he wasn't trying to have his name

1036
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: messed up. So no, he wasn't playing with me be

1037
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: your favorite. He he gave me one compliment when I first,

1038
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: like my first week of practice, he called my dad

1039
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: and said I could really played. That was it. That

1040
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: was like, Bob, he could really play. Outside of that, like,

1041
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't ever remember getting fucking compliments. And then the

1042
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: second time we played Kansas my senior year, so our

1043
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: senior year of Pete's gone, we got screwed on that

1044
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: bullshit call where he I don't know what you're doing

1045
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: with Ryan Robertson trying to get all close to that

1046
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: ship or whatever. Okay, so we lose them in our

1047
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: place and we beat him by thirty three. But if

1048
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: you mace you and be can attest to this. He

1049
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: called time out and was like slowing down up there

1050
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: next year, but he didn't want to run it up

1051
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: because he had to play with us the next year,

1052
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: so we don't play that tournament. Now keep in mind that.

1053
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: Now let me kick the ship out of Kansas and

1054
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: they quit then, I think, didn't all our cars get

1055
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: told that night? Remember that? And we parked across the

1056
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: street next to night and everybody's cars got kids. We

1057
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: were like, fuck it, let's just go down to Joe's

1058
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: drink beer, watched the replay of the game. Will worry

1059
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: about our cars tomorrow. That literally happened. So so we

1060
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: got play Kansas in the Big Twelfth Tournament. And again,

1061
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: uh this would have been Pete's last game against Kansas.

1062
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: Do you remember having points we scored against KU in

1063
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: Kansas City? Yeah, about forty thirty thirty seven, I believe seven.

1064
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: It was our fourth in four days and we scored

1065
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: forty seven. So so, uh so we go up there

1066
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: and playing in the Big Towel Tournament and and I

1067
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: I threw two oops to Mace. I made my free

1068
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: throws like I played really, so you had to go

1069
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: to that press conference afterwards, you know, and he put

1070
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 1: his arm around me. He's like, that was the best

1071
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: basketball game I've ever seen you play. Those are the

1072
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: only two compliments I ever remember getting from the next

1073
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: night after what would you say to you? The next

1074
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: day after we lost, I was staying, who are you doing?

1075
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: You can't play him? Lick these foles out? Why the

1076
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: powering out? Out? And then like out yeah, and then

1077
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: and then Joe started Joe Joe's I'm gonna win this game.

1078
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: And then I don't remember I drove in to shoot

1079
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: a lay up, yeah, and I fucking tricked off a

1080
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: lamp that I hit my hand on the ring. Who

1081
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: are you doing? I was like, I don't know, Coach,

1082
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: You're not dunking son, Coach to the game. You asked

1083
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: a hundred hikies for that name thing. I definitely I

1084
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: deserved the paddling after that ship. So that we got back.

1085
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: Then we got back. That's what we got back to,

1086
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: uh still Water. We watched still in that game, and

1087
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: that's when Kyle Keller rewound that play about a hundred

1088
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: times and said, we played for the name on the

1089
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: on the front of the jersey, not on the name

1090
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: on the back of the jersey. You're talking about that

1091
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: layup from shot, Remember that I hit my hand in

1092
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: the rim. Sorry, dude, used to feed you for your

1093
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: for your your shooting time with phone in his year. Yeah,

1094
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: like yo, man, like this is my I'm trying to

1095
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: get better up here, Like uh huh, follow through all

1096
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: through you. Yeah, he trying to try to get a

1097
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: job all through your favorite like any set in memory.

1098
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: Probably in my senior year. Man, this is just kind

1099
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: of fun. This is the way he was. You know.

1100
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: He would tell you how great you were one day

1101
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: and then bring you back to bring you back to

1102
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: the earth and the next day. And I think we

1103
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: were getting it was towards the end of the season.

1104
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I was playing pretty well, and um, he started playing us.

1105
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: He started playing us a little bit different, like I

1106
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: started playing the three a little bit at some point, um,

1107
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, and practice and stuff like that. He was

1108
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: like he he asked me. He asked me one day

1109
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: and practice. He was like, what was I gonna do

1110
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: after I was done playing. I was like, He's like, hey, yeah,

1111
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: if I was going to continue to play, and I said, yeah, coach,

1112
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: that's the plan man, And I'm like, I want to

1113
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: keep playing, you know. So he said, I gotta get

1114
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: you ready to go play over in Kuwait was like, Kait,

1115
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: and I think I think I said I think I

1116
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: think we just next year. Yeah, we played in Nebraska,

1117
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: and I think I had like twenty four and twelve

1118
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: or something. So I was feeling pretty good about myself

1119
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and then he's giving me a

1120
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: lot more freedom and things like that to handle the ball.

1121
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: He says that to me, and I'm like, damn, man,

1122
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: I was just on nine. I didn't feel like I

1123
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: could do anything wrong, you know, like I finally arrived

1124
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: and you're just saying to me to Quait. You're telling

1125
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: me I can only playing Quait next year. But it

1126
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: was always still things like that with him. Man, it

1127
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: was the opposite for me. Okay, all I know is

1128
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: all of us like once you got to start, you

1129
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: got the good shoes, right, you got to You don't

1130
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: don't have to wear a team shooes anymore. But masaid

1131
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: air Jordan's and ship. Okay, senior year old, did he

1132
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: come to you and he's like, what, like, how what

1133
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: was that you privy to conversations that the rest of

1134
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: us were not privy too? How did that come to

1135
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: be that you you got air chords? Uh? So, my senior,

1136
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: I just I walked in, I asked him. I said,

1137
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: outside nee, we had access to shoes. They can get

1138
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: cooler shoes and sias. And I was like, Coach, I

1139
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: really like these Jordan shoes. I've never had a pred

1140
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: Jordan's before. I said, can this speat of shoes got playing?

1141
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: So he got me two pairs and both were the

1142
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: black and gray and that was that was That was

1143
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: how I got him on that I've never had Jordan before,

1144
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: and I want to play any shoes as a senior.

1145
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, I'll get him mortar. That

1146
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: was it. Mason's playing his ass off though, and this

1147
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: is how Coach was. I don't know if you guys

1148
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: remember this, but if if if Coach did, if you

1149
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: if if the guava juice and Hawaii remember yes when

1150
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: you I love glava Jue, I love gava juice. You know,

1151
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: first time being out, man, I couldn't. I couldn't drink

1152
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: enough of that stuff. Man. So then we get back,

1153
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: we get back to snow Water and I'm playing like ship.

1154
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: He tells the managers to go find some Baba juice.

1155
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: So I didn't get out of my slum. But that's

1156
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: didn You're You're George's blow out when we're in Seattle

1157
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: playing and then and then you were you were gonna

1158
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: have to play in a different pair of shoes, and automatically, somehow,

1159
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: some way, those damn shoes showed up the day before

1160
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: the day of the game. I think if I remember, right, yeah,

1161
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: I blow Hi out to practice. I remember, yeah, And

1162
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: it was a big deal because it was a big

1163
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: deal because Mace was throwing one of those little hissy

1164
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: fiths about it, and coach coach disappeared and then next

1165
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: thing you know, the damn shoes are sitting in the

1166
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: locker room before the game. But that's how That's how

1167
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: coach was, man, I mean, he was, he was, he was.

1168
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: He took care of you too. Man. I had to

1169
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: go trade mine out of the frieze. That's how I

1170
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: had to get That's how I got Aline. I trade

1171
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: him out. Fucking terrible. He remember that the team shootes

1172
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: are always the worst. Nobody had to wear him Like

1173
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: the first thing, you practicing, like, I need some other shoes.

1174
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: These ain't these ain't working not not working out. Okay,

1175
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: it did change when you graduated, when you were done playing.

1176
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: So Pete, you finished first, so you get downe playing

1177
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: and you hurt your knee in Chicago. What was he

1178
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: What was he like with you when you got done

1179
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 1: playing Coachmick? He reached up to me, I won't say

1180
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: three or four times that year, just checking on me,

1181
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: birthday calls and stuff like that, checking out how I

1182
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: was doing that, I need anything, you know, you know,

1183
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: inviting me to come back to rehab and steel Water

1184
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: just some He did do a very good job, him

1185
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: and Sean Um just checking in and making sure I

1186
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: was doing okay. Um. I think I came back to

1187
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: maybe one game for sure, a little rock, maybe a

1188
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: couple of games. But he did a very good job

1189
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: of checking on me, so that that made me feel good.

1190
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: But he didn't invit him to come back and rehab

1191
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: and work out with you guys. But you know, I

1192
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: was kind of at home and it took me a

1193
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: little longer to rehab, but it was good. It was

1194
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: a good time, Um. But as far as helping you

1195
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: in your life and checking in your life and your kids, like,

1196
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: what was that? Because I did I feel like, like,

1197
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: look he called me in this is this is I

1198
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: don't know if I told you guys this ship He's like,

1199
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: I sit with him about the agent thing right, And

1200
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you know what you should do. You

1201
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: should coach women's basketball. I was like, maybe keep in mind,

1202
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm taking a shot at you. Yes,

1203
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: how we do women's basketball today is very different from

1204
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: how we've been in basketball then. Right, Like I won't

1205
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: I won't name names, but we did have an assistant

1206
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: coach that said sex and women's basketball are two things

1207
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: that are best played in the dark. Right, I remember

1208
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: that ship right? And I was like, and so now

1209
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: I was sending the same It wasn't coach somebody else

1210
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: he said that anyway. So I said, uh, women's basketball

1211
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: is like oh yeah. He's like, son, you don't want

1212
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: to get into this rat race is not a good living.

1213
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: He's like, you could be the head coach here. He's

1214
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna retire in a couple of years. I get you

1215
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: on the staff, give me the head coach for your thirty.

1216
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know if he was trying to throw

1217
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: me off the scent because he wanted shann to have

1218
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: the job, or he really liked that job for me,

1219
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: But he was trying to convince me that, like women's basketball,

1220
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,919
Speaker 1: it was a great little honey hole to make money

1221
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: for the next like forty years that it was easy pickings.

1222
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: And I was like it turned me up so much.

1223
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: I was like it it literally like I couldn't talk

1224
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 1: to him. Like six months after that, I was like, Okay, Coach,

1225
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: I'll let you know if I'm interested. That was what

1226
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: about you beat with advice for you? Um, Coach was awesome.

1227
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean he was, he was. He was a lot

1228
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: different obviously when you when you stopped playing with him

1229
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: or stopped playing for him. UM. The biggest thing for

1230
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: me was, you know, I had a I was around

1231
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: him all the time because when I retired from playing,

1232
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, he lived here in Tulsa, so I got

1233
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time with him, you know,

1234
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: either Watchington Scott play at or you um, or just

1235
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: going back to h Q games to seeing him. UM.

1236
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: The biggest thing though, was like how how he was

1237
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: he was interested in and not only what you were

1238
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: doing professionally, but in the growth of your family. You know.

1239
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: I remember what Maya was born, my first my first child.

1240
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: She was born in Italy and Coach sends a letter

1241
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: um autographed Jordan's um, you know, and it was like

1242
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: every time the kids had a birthday, they got a

1243
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: birthday card, or you know, he would call on your

1244
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: birthday and you know, he would just call in and

1245
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: just check out and see how you're doing. Kind of

1246
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: like Pete was alluding to. Um, you know, it was

1247
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: just like the love for for us. I felt like

1248
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't stop when we when we stopped playing, um,

1249
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: they continued on. Um. You know, well, well he was

1250
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: functioning well. But so make your obviously your your thing

1251
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: is is different. What was it like when you came

1252
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: back after the plane crash? Oh man, it was it was.

1253
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: It was emotional obviously for everybody. And you know, the

1254
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: Sonics were gracious enough to charter a plane, fly me

1255
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: into steal Water, show me to stay as long as

1256
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: I needed to stay. Um, And I remember sitting down

1257
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: and you know, again, I think we all you know,

1258
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: Coach Sutton was an extension of our family. It was

1259
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of like your your father away from home, you know,

1260
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: the guy that was making sure that you would take

1261
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: care of and and uh and everything and you would

1262
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: take care of your business as well. UM. So you

1263
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: know you kind of looked at least I looked at

1264
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: it like that, and uh, to walk into his office,

1265
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: you know him and I wanted to talk to me,

1266
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of gave me a big

1267
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: hug and just broke down and started crying. And it

1268
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: was you know, and told me kind of everything about

1269
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: making those far on calls and and you know how

1270
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: hard it was and how he wish it it could

1271
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: be different, and just crying. I had never seen coach cry, um,

1272
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: so it was it was really and I'm talking about

1273
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: a real cry, not you know, not a tear up.

1274
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was just really emotional, man.

1275
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: And uh and and and just to talk about you know,

1276
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: once I got done playing like he was very important

1277
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: in the process when when we lost an NT double

1278
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: A tournament, my draft process started fairly immediately. I worked

1279
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: out and Coach sad in every meeting. Um, he asked

1280
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: all the questions. I asked no questions. Him and my

1281
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: dad asked all the questions. I just listened. Um. You know,

1282
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: he was very you know, a very important part of

1283
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: who I decided to go with as the agent. And

1284
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: then you know, watch my process, critique my game as

1285
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: I continue to play. Um, but come back to the

1286
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: plane crash. You know, he changed that change and and

1287
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: I think I changed anybody, but that definitely changed him,

1288
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: and he just he became a different person. Even when

1289
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: I talked to him, you didn't tell he just wasn't.

1290
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: He brought it up all the time. Um it was.

1291
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: It was impactful um on us all, but for him

1292
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: it really changed. I think I think it changed who

1293
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: he was as a whole. Uh, you know, the stroke

1294
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 1: things so sad, but I think it's most sad because

1295
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't if you guys know this. So when Patsy died,

1296
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: he told me and Seana told me that like two

1297
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: weeks before they were sitting at dinner talking and he

1298
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: was like, look, I'm gonna go before you go, So

1299
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: if I have a stroke, I don't want anybody seeing

1300
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: me like that. Just turn the machines on. And then

1301
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: like literally two weeks later, they're at Chili's and she

1302
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: has a stroke. So, I mean it was crazy. And

1303
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: then of course late in life he had that he

1304
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: had struggle. Um le, let's start with this when when

1305
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: he had his car crash and he went through all

1306
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: his personal stuff and it became very very public. What

1307
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: did you what did you think? What was it like

1308
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 1: for you personally? I mean, it was it was pretty

1309
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: difficult to kind of hear because you know, you hear

1310
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of negative stuff, and you know, I was

1311
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: kind of detached a little bit, but here a lot

1312
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: of negative stuff in the news and people saying things,

1313
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: and you know, for me, I knew, you know, half

1314
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: of it wasn't true. I didn't know what he was

1315
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: going through the time. We all go through things, you know,

1316
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: so it was kind of just no different than watching

1317
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: that special on the ESPN or whatever. And I kind

1318
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: of got a little piste off about some things that

1319
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: were said about him and just how people, even you

1320
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: know people was around every day, it's had a lot

1321
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: of negative stuff because that's all they knew. It was

1322
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: negative stigma about whether it's an alcohol or whatever they

1323
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: perceived him to be or whoever they perceived him to be.

1324
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: And I just took it personal and it bothered me.

1325
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of you know, you constant

1326
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: find yourself trying to defend him because we know him.

1327
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: Most people don't. They just know what they're writing the papers,

1328
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: And I mean it was tough to sit through a

1329
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: conversation with guys kind of trying to bash, you know,

1330
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: coach and Um, it was rough everybody. I believe it's tough. Man.

1331
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: I was in Italy playing and I remember calling him personal,

1332
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: calling him and talking to him a couple of days

1333
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: after it happened. Um, And it's kind of like what

1334
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: Pete said, Man, I mean, it's um. You know, there's

1335
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people that that they don't get coach.

1336
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, they see his they see his persona and

1337
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: they assume he's a certain way, but they don't they

1338
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: don't understand how you know, tenderhearted he is, and and

1339
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: the struggles that he he dealt with and things like that.

1340
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: But it was, it was definitely tough. Um, it was hard.

1341
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I took away from it

1342
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: was the way he handled the situation. You know, how

1343
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: he was accountable to his actions, how he you know,

1344
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: he stood up, he faced the music. Um, you know,

1345
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: he didn't make any excuses, He didn't run from anything,

1346
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: he didn't hide from anythings. Um, you know, I think

1347
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: that was that was a big takeaway, uh for a

1348
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: lot of us. But yeah, I'm with Pete, man, it

1349
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: was it wasn't easy, you know, And and watching the

1350
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: documentary and and and going through that emotion and just

1351
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: seeing seeing his pitfalls and and and everything that he

1352
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: struggled with. Uh, definitely, definitely, definitely is tough to watch. Yeah, No,

1353
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean and and Mace. I know you've you've dealt

1354
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: with more addiction in your life, not you personally with

1355
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: people around you, and I know it's a part of

1356
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: your life stories. You have a different outlook on it,

1357
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: But I can only tell you that. Do you Guys remember,

1358
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: like I I they had me go on Sports Center

1359
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, Coach always taught us to

1360
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: be accountable, Like he's got to be accountable for this,

1361
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't think he can coach at o issue

1362
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: anymore because I don't love him. And there's a lot

1363
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: of you know, like I was out of the family

1364
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: circle for like a year because of it. And then

1365
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: he called me and he was like and I was

1366
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: I was like crying because I felt so bad because

1367
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: everybody made me feel so bad for saying when I

1368
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: thought was the right thing. And he was like, I go, Coach,

1369
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sorry if you're mad at me. He's like,

1370
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: I'm not mad your son. You are the woman that

1371
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: did wrong. And I was like, oh, And his whole

1372
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: thing was exactly what you're saying to me, which is like,

1373
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I was in a bad place and

1374
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: you gotta be on some level accountable for it. He's like,

1375
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: you know, help me. He's like, you know, you could

1376
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: have recused yourself. And my thing was like, I can't

1377
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: recuse myself. In like six six weeks before or six

1378
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: months before, Bob Huggins was on a recruiting visit and

1379
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: he had a d U Y and I was like, yo, man,

1380
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: you can't have a d U. I represented school, like

1381
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't do that. And I can't say

1382
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: that about Bob Huggins, who I liked, and not say

1383
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: it about Coach Sutton, who I love because I love

1384
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: Coach Sutton. Anyway, he was unbelievable, Like until he couldn't speak,

1385
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 1: he would always tell me like, I have no problem

1386
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: with anything you ever said. It was my problems, not yours.

1387
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: You're just doing your job. Anyway, he was, But I

1388
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: will tell you that, like my heart sank for him

1389
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: because we used to joke around about it. He used

1390
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: to joke around about that ship, right like he would

1391
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: have a bad day and beyond your ass, you'd be like,

1392
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: oh ship, he drinking again. They were like, and I

1393
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: was like, I don't only joke about that ship, right,

1394
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I would guess anybody who has

1395
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: to call ten families like that, that's hard in your heart.

1396
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you you're recovering alcoholic mace. What

1397
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: was that like for you to go through considering how

1398
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: most you were coaching? Man, it was for me, it

1399
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: was it was It was difficult for us all, but

1400
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: it was it was extremely difficult for me, um, just

1401
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 1: because of the relationship and the bond and the relationship

1402
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: we continue to have in the relationship that him and

1403
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: my dad and my stepmom and my mom. You know,

1404
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: the had obviously with my past with my mom, you know,

1405
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: and and her addiction. You know it really you know,

1406
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: it hurt my feelings, It hurt my heart, and you know,

1407
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: to be really transparent, honest jug like, I was kind

1408
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: of on board with a lot of other people. You know,

1409
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: I didn't care what happened what he did. I understood

1410
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: that it was he was a grown man and he

1411
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: made decisions. But you know, I would never speak on it.

1412
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: And then you know, when things came out that were

1413
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: said by you, you know, for me personally. I was like, damn,

1414
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: that's family like he did family like that, you know.

1415
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: So I was on board with everybody else. And that's

1416
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: just on the truth that just you know, because I

1417
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: just would not expect that. Um, but I do you know,

1418
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: uh understand that. You know, you had a job and

1419
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: you can't hold favorite. You know, it is what it is.

1420
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that Coach was okay and forgave that

1421
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: and he definitely took responsibility for it, um just epitomized

1422
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: who Coach was. Um. But man, I was right there

1423
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: with everybody else. I was like, damn, my god, did

1424
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: that you know he really really shoot on coach like that?

1425
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: Like that? Yeah, I couldn't, but I couldn't believe it,

1426
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: Man I was. I was absolutely blown away. But I

1427
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: was more hurt because I thought that that would just

1428
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: destroyed Coach because we were all the family. And after

1429
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: having a bunch of conversations wherever after the fact, um,

1430
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: after the accident, you know, I kind of was on

1431
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: board with you when you had your conversation with him

1432
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: that he said it was my issue. You know, it wasn't.

1433
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't anybody else's problem. It was my problem. I

1434
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: made the mistake. I have to own up to it.

1435
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: And he apologized to me, like, I'm sorry, you know

1436
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: that that you know I did this as your coach.

1437
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: You know I shouldn't be doing things like that. Um

1438
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, it was It was hard because I

1439
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: just you know, I grew up in around a lot

1440
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: of people, close family members that that were Dixon for

1441
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: a long time, and it was the last thing I

1442
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: want to see anybody go through, and the sea coach,

1443
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: um go through that, and then also to see Sean

1444
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: go through it as well. Um man, it was just

1445
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: it hurt me. It hurt. It hit It hit really

1446
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: close to homefully, yea, if if I could do it

1447
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: all over again, you know, I could do it all

1448
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: over again. And and part of it is, you know,

1449
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: in full transparency. That night that it happened, I called

1450
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: Alex Weber and de niece of course at the time

1451
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: was like the VP at the hospital, and I should

1452
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: like the president of hospital, and so I knew something

1453
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: was up and I was trying to help him. I

1454
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: was like trying to like, look, if this thing is bad,

1455
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: like let's get out ahead of it, let's talk about it,

1456
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: Let's figure out what the right messaging is and you know,

1457
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of you guys know how it all works, Like

1458
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: everybody want to cover for coaches. Nobody want to make

1459
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: him look bad, right, And I don't know if that

1460
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: was part of it, you know, because I do love

1461
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: coach and he is right he did it wasn't embarrassed us.

1462
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: But it's like that's what he kind of became known

1463
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: for more than being a great coach. It's it's unfair,

1464
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, and so and there's a like just a

1465
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: lot that goes into it, right, But but the big

1466
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: kind of takeaway for me was, you know, I had

1467
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: never been in that situation before, and and it was

1468
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: just a very weird, Like I was trying to help them,

1469
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: they still nobody was being honest with me. I knew

1470
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: what the truth was. Then they finally came out like

1471
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 1: everybody was trying to protect coach, and like it's the

1472
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: cover up, not the crime. Like it was a bad

1473
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: thing that happened, but covering up make makes it worse.

1474
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: Instead of going like, hey, look he's alcoholic, he fell

1475
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: off the wagon. These things happened. He's gonna be thankfully,

1476
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be okay. Anyway, Yeah, I'm like I wish

1477
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: you in hindsight we had all like gotten on the

1478
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: phone together and be like, all right, what we gonna do?

1479
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: How are we gonna like handle this? How should I

1480
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: handle this? But at the time of where everybody was

1481
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 1: kind of disjointed, right and not connected bees playing in Italy, right, Pete,

1482
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were still playing at the time, right,

1483
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll work it in Bristol, Like everybody's somewhere different, and

1484
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: it was before we could all hop on calls like that.

1485
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: But I felt terrible, you know, I just remember walking

1486
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: away feeling awful because, like I said, I felt like

1487
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: I said what needed to be said, but I don't

1488
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: know if I was the guy that needed to say it.

1489
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: And that was the hard part, right, Like I just

1490
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 1: didn't want like j Bill is saying, hey, he shouldn't

1491
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: coach again, like well Batley didn't say ship and I'm

1492
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm a straight shooter on everything else. It was. It

1493
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 1: was a really it was a hard one for me,

1494
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: but we did kind of make amends. And you know,

1495
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: I think it's the I think like Sean and some

1496
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: of those others are more in the Mace kind of

1497
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: category where they were upset at the time. They're like,

1498
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: you know, as long as you two were good, that's

1499
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: all really the matters at the end. Um. But it

1500
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: it just sucks because I feel like for some reason

1501
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: that's what kept him out of the Hall of Fame,

1502
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: which makes no sense to me. Al Right, like this

1503
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: is this is gonna drop tomorrow inducted in the nason

1504
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: Boro Hall of Fame. Like he was an incredible coach,

1505
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: all right, so let's let's do this. Hey, uh, I

1506
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: got two more for you all. Let me sorry with

1507
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: you mace. Um. He played for a lot of people,

1508
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: played a decade in the NBA. Um what made him

1509
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: a special coach from your perspective, I mean, I think

1510
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: b B said earlier, you know, the way he would

1511
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: kind of build you up and break you down. You know,

1512
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 1: it kept you. It kept us all on our toes.

1513
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, you never got a big head. There was

1514
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: never any from mind, from what I knew when I team,

1515
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: I never felt that there was any arrogance. I think

1516
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: we all were a little cocky. We all thought that

1517
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: we can get done, but it never hurt the team

1518
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: because he always kept that and check. You know, he

1519
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: never gave a even though I Joe brings this up

1520
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,879
Speaker 1: all time. I still don't think Coach necessarily played favorites

1521
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: with me. Coach just sick Paul Graham on me instead

1522
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: of him doing it himself. You know, Coach knew how

1523
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: to get at certain people. He knew he couldn't overly

1524
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: yell at Joe because we would lose Joe, you know,

1525
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: but he knew he could, you know, jump on you, Doug,

1526
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: because you're just gonna take that as motivation. And so

1527
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: he was very, very good about managing all of my personalities.

1528
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: But I think Bryant said it best when he said

1529
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: he would build you up and then break you back down.

1530
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: And that kept us all, you know, focused on the

1531
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: team aspect as opposed to the individual. How you played

1532
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of people overseas, playing for theater. You know,

1533
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: you played over a decade professionally. Why do you think

1534
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: he's of I mean, look at look at how he's

1535
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: looking at his work. He's done it over four decades.

1536
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: He's one over four decades. The game the game changed,

1537
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, right before his eyes. Well, well he's coaching

1538
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: um and he was able to coach at the high level.

1539
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 1: You know, we look at the look at the programs

1540
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: that he started, um, you know in Idaho and and

1541
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: what he built that into and then going and Creighton

1542
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: and getting them to the n c A Tournament, and

1543
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: then basically, I mean the thing is, man is you know,

1544
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: what he's done in Arkansas is phenomenal, um, you know,

1545
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 1: and then coming back to Oklahoma State and and in

1546
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: turning Oklahoma State into a powerhouse, you know, and and

1547
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: but as a coach now, as a coach, now what

1548
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: do you because because because I would say, I would

1549
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: say for me coaching, like he knew how to get everybody,

1550
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: even I have pressed everybody, but like you knew called

1551
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: pizza dead that press. But I'd watched him getting Mace

1552
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: to play in his way and Mace, I don't know

1553
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: if you realize he would do this like you wouldn't

1554
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: be playing very well in the first half, but you're

1555
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: playing hard and he come into the lockerroom like we

1556
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: did five guys, like yo, maze up like five things.

1557
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 1: We did five guys a place. Yeah. Point um. The

1558
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,560
Speaker 1: as time you had a conversation with coach, what do

1559
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: you remember, Oh, oh, I know what this. I was

1560
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna bring this up. Remember it was a few years ago.

1561
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: Remember when we went and saw him in Tulsa, and

1562
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I think it was me, you, Joe and Sean. He

1563
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: just had surgery and he was in that rehab facility

1564
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: building the strength up, trying, you know, so he could,

1565
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: uh he could get back home, and we went and

1566
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: picked him up Goldie's remember. I think what was that

1567
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: four or five years ago? I think. So the thing

1568
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: was is, you know, we all got together, we were

1569
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: talking and I remember walking out and you know how coaches,

1570
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: he's the ultimate storyteller, um, and he was telling the stories.

1571
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: And then I remember walking out. I remember he was

1572
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: still in a wheelchair, so he was he was at

1573
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: the entrance the exit, and he kind of walked us out. Um.

1574
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, as we were leaving, I remember this lady

1575
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: asking who are those guys? And uh, he said those

1576
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: are my boys, you know, and and and um. That's

1577
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: that's something that I took away for a long time,

1578
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: because I mean we were fifteen sixteen years removed playing

1579
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: for him, and he still felt the same way about

1580
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: us that he did when we were playing for UM.

1581
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:30,719
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, you know, I feel like I've always

1582
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: tried to be really really like and I remember we were,

1583
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: we played in Israel together. We even remember a couple

1584
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: of times when he's with the Storm we're together. I

1585
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: can't remember when it was when we were back in

1586
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: still Water and I just remember, like, Bro, no matter

1587
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: what do you think of me, Adrian Peterson was a

1588
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: way better player than me man right, like one of

1589
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: the best players that or play at O s U.

1590
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 1: There was something about our group which connected with people

1591
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: and connected with coach. Like I think the final four

1592
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: team was awesome, and he probably should have retired after

1593
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 1: the final four, right, especially had they beat in Georgia Tech.

1594
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, you get to the finals. You know, would

1595
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: have been amazing if he would hung one up them.

1596
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: But whatever, Um, but there's there was something about our group,

1597
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: our junior year and our senior year which people and

1598
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I think it's it was Coach's connection with us. It

1599
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: was that it was a very deep personal relationship that

1600
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure with the later teams he had as much.

1601
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it's just very interesting to me on

1602
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: how I agree. Maybe it's that we went by and

1603
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: saw him, Maybe it's that we kept in touch. Maybe

1604
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: it's our own kind of egos in our own heads

1605
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: trying to prove to ourselves how important we were. But

1606
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: I did feel like our group like our three years,

1607
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: and Pete, you can attest to this like your your

1608
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: first two years were down years, right, and really his

1609
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: only two down years at the school. And maybe it's

1610
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: because we got it back going. I'm not sure. I

1611
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: do feel like our group didn't get to the final four,

1612
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: and people always like, oh, did you get to the

1613
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: final four with you? You play with Country or you're

1614
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: play John Lucas, Like now, I didn't play in either

1615
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: those groups. We didn't make we didn't win the league,

1616
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: we didn't go to the final four. Well at games,

1617
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I felt like we resonated more with with him and

1618
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: with fans than other people and other other groups. I

1619
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: would agree with that for sure, because my first year,

1620
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 1: that group was kind of we have some juco players

1621
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: were coming in, we have some seniors, we had one freshman,

1622
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: so it was kind of real different group. When when

1623
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: you guys we met freshman class with Mason, those guys

1624
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: old up. That was what five or six guys, and

1625
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: then when you and Brian came in, it was the

1626
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: group was real close tighten in my senior year, junior

1627
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: senior year pretty much. We all kind of hung out together.

1628
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: We all kind of like mine, We did the same stuff.

1629
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: We were just kind of group, I thought, you know.

1630
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: And then of course after I left, you know, you guys,

1631
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: you're senior, you took it to another level. But it

1632
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: was just just a better It's a tide of group

1633
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: those last two years. And plus everybody rebuilds at some point,

1634
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: and that my first two years, That's exactly what was

1635
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: going on, was rebuilding process for the program. So unfortunately

1636
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: I had to go through that, but it was fun

1637
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: and we came out and at the end of it.

1638
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: So when when when your girls get older, Pete, and

1639
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: people started to go like, hey, you played for a

1640
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach, like what would be your how

1641
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: would you help them understand what made him special as

1642
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: a coach through your experience. Actually, funny you said that

1643
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: because we got a my daughter's volleyball player and she

1644
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: has an old school coach. I'm talking with old school,

1645
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: like gruff dude, and she's going through that this year

1646
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: with well, she lets this player, she doesn't. He didn't

1647
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: yell at this this girl. He doesn't yell at this girl.

1648
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: He always yells at me and I go over here.

1649
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Here's the talent of being a coach. You gotta know

1650
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: how to handle each individual player. Like my daughter. You

1651
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: can yell at her, she don't care. She's like whatever

1652
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: she staidn't gonna smile, having the time, great personality. There

1653
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: are some girls that are really talented. You can't get

1654
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: onto him. You can approach him and critique him, but

1655
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I like Mace. You couldn't really jump on Mace like that.

1656
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: You get pulling to the side, giving really good criticism

1657
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: and encourage him and he'll gonna do whatever for you.

1658
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: But yelling at him, I wasn't gonna get anything out

1659
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: of him. Me. I didn't really care. Like, that's fine

1660
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: long as I'm out on the court. You can yellow

1661
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: you want to hold you playing, if I'm getting my

1662
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: shots whatever. But um kind of like with Joe Joe,

1663
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 1: you couldn't really yell at come down on Joe like that.

1664
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: He just didn't receive it that way. So we're dealing

1665
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: with that as you speak. And I would just say

1666
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: Coach was very good at noticing who he can lean on,

1667
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,799
Speaker 1: who we could ride, who we can make an example

1668
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: out of, and who he had to you know, call

1669
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: him do things a certain a certain way, and he

1670
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: got the best out of all his players one through fifteen.

1671
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: How many ever was coach. Coach used to always say

1672
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: this too. This is something I take away, especially in

1673
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the role that I'm in now, is you treat them

1674
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: all the same, but you coach them different. I think

1675
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Pete was alluding to that. You know, you gotta know,

1676
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: you gotta know who your guys you can get on

1677
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 1: to maybe send a message to that one guy that

1678
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: you can't really that really doesn't take hard criticism, you know,

1679
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: but he's saying he's seeing if you can get on

1680
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: the best player, you can get on this guy, he

1681
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: can take it. You know. It allows him to be

1682
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: able to coach some of these other guys that need

1683
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: to be coach different. So, I mean, that's one thing

1684
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: I've taken away from Coach, you know, And he used

1685
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: to say this all the time, especially uh, you know

1686
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: after I finished playing and things like that, is you know,

1687
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: you treat them all the same off the court, but

1688
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 1: on the court, you coach them different. You you got

1689
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: to find out what buttons. Uh, some of the guys

1690
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: need to be pushed and and some guys you can't.

1691
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: You can't push his hard UM, but at the same time,

1692
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: you've got to be effectively coaching him UM. And I

1693
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 1: think that's something that he's did. He's done a really really,

1694
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: really good job of UM. You know, over the time

1695
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: that I played for him, the time that we played

1696
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: for him, and just watching the guys that he can

1697
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: lean on a little bit harder versus the guys that

1698
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: he couldn't UM. You know. And Doug, you were bringing

1699
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: up a point about our team. You know, one thing

1700
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: that I thought that uh, you know, goes unnoticed with

1701
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: coaches coaches career is the guys that he got. He

1702
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of McDonald's all Americans, you know,

1703
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: he really didn't have a lot of guys that played

1704
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: in the league, UM played in the NBA and things

1705
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 1: like that. He got a lot of guys, a lot

1706
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: of second chance guys, a lot of bounce back guys,

1707
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, guys that needed another opportunity to go to

1708
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: university and and and get a second chance and things

1709
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, if you look at our team

1710
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: over our career, I mean, how many transfers did we have,

1711
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: UM that we're able to come back in and play

1712
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: and and have some success for him. Coach was a

1713
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: master at getting transfers and getting juco guys to come

1714
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: in and play, play as a team, or reading guys

1715
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 1: that other people misstime. Right, you know, you know Arkansas

1716
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: offer you, Um, they know not early. They didn't. They

1717
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: wanted me to wait because they were trying to get

1718
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: because Marlin Towns or something. But Coach told me, if

1719
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: Arkansas officers scholarship, you should go there because that's because

1720
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: after basketball you've been from the state. That's gonna be

1721
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: so much more valuable to you playing at a high

1722
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: level for that university in that state. But if they don't,

1723
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: this is the next best place for you. So he

1724
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: told me that on my home visit and I'm like, well, hell,

1725
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know do you want me? I guess it

1726
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 1: really won't either, So so it um, that kind of

1727
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: left the bad tame, but I understood, you know what

1728
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: he was saying, and it worked out well. That's kind

1729
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: of probably why I ended up that because he was

1730
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: very truthful with me about you know, who I was

1731
01:33:55,200 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: and my chances in at Oakland State. So I, um,

1732
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: when he gets inducted, like, what what will go through

1733
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 1: your mom when you're when you're seeing and he's not.

1734
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: He's not here obviously, So I think they have three

1735
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: different presenters. Bill self is gonna be one of them.

1736
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: You know, Um when he gets presented, Like what what

1737
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: will be going through your mind? Deep? Uh, just well deserved,

1738
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: long time coming. You know, we all do, we all

1739
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: going to journey, you know, whatever it is, whether whatever

1740
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: professionally in but for him to um, kind of I

1741
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: would say he left out for as long as he

1742
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: was because of maybe perceptions or a few stories that

1743
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: could have been true, couldn't have been true, whatever. Um.

1744
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 1: I would just be well deserved lifetime achievement of war

1745
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 1: pretty much. And um, it should have happened sooner. I

1746
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: wish it would happen a lot sooner. That's the thing is.

1747
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: It's not just that he I wish you. I'm glad

1748
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: that he got recognized when he was still alive, but

1749
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: I wish people would had they put him in sooner

1750
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: before he had the stroke. Like he was such a

1751
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: dynamic personality, I mean, such a dynamic personality, like you said,

1752
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: like we were all scared of death of him, Yeah,

1753
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: scared to death, right, like scared of an old last

1754
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: man you're like, I don't I and step into him

1755
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: and and and he was funny, he was gregary as

1756
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: he took over a room with his personality. I think

1757
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: that's the part that upsets me, is that he got

1758
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: left out so long that we missed and having with

1759
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: text Winner, two text Winners, one of the funniest dudes

1760
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: you've ever met. But by the time he got in

1761
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: he was a shell of his former self, you know.

1762
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: And and they wait so long, you don't you don't

1763
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: understand what made him him And what made coach was

1764
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: his personality, like you said, his ability to understand the room.

1765
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: I remember, I don't remember this my first year there

1766
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: beast for a year that we flew to Missouri, right

1767
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: and we're going to play and you know, against against

1768
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: Norm Stewart. And our fight was late getting because they

1769
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 1: had an ice storm coming in we Land, and we

1770
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 1: go practice at the old Herne Center and then we

1771
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: gotta get somebody. So we go to um Alive Garden

1772
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: all guard and they were like they came out there like, um, sir, coach, listen,

1773
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: we just we're we're our kitchens closed, and it was like,

1774
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, like tensive teen on a Tuesday night. We

1775
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 1: had a game on a Wednesday, right like out of nowhere.

1776
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 1: He flipped and goes, like you tell Manny Sudden, his

1777
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: boys were hungry, and I'm telling me, I swear to God,

1778
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: like you know, the managers at those at those day

1779
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: don't do anything. These boss people around right, the managers

1780
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: back there in the kitchen cooking up spaghetti and breadsticks.

1781
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: And we had ourselves a hell of a meal. And

1782
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: then keep I don't know if you remember this one

1783
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: our first contract, I want to say our first, but

1784
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: now one of our first Conferentrol games. We actually lost

1785
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: that bailor, which was embarrassing because Baylor was so shitty

1786
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: at the time. On a on a double clutch from

1787
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: half court bank shot and I got benched in double overtime.

1788
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: We lost. When I remember about that trip, other than

1789
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 1: that shot and getting bet, was the night before you

1790
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 1: and I were sitting having dinner at the restaurant and

1791
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: he and Patsy sattled up to us. He just starts

1792
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 1: talking about Kentucky. It was weird, it was liked to be.

1793
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: It was out of nowhere. It wasn't like any coach

1794
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: having Kentucky. Hey, coach, tell me a story like that,

1795
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Like what you guys doing, Like, let me tell you

1796
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: about what happened Touchy, Like, okay, what the hell did

1797
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: you ask a like Juby Hall had three hundred and

1798
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:05,560
Speaker 1: sixty five tickets. We're like, okay, wouldn't be you know

1799
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: the tickets I got, Like I don't know coaching, well, well, tickets.

1800
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you think three tickets speed lasting

1801
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: a decade? I was like, that's a lot of friends

1802
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: and family coaches Like no, it's like you give two

1803
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 1: to the car dealers, you give two to the grocery store,

1804
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: to to every restaurant, so guys don't have to pay

1805
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: for anything, you know, cheating, you just you just give

1806
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: them all the tickets. It's like, so I don't know,

1807
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't I can't coming back to twelve tickets. All

1808
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 1: these people get mad. We basically said it was a

1809
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 1: set up because people aren't getting their tickets anymore. Like,

1810
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: is that that's the short version, Pete? Is that the

1811
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: accurate tale of what he was telling us? Yeah, he

1812
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: wanted to and he wanted to a whole story, which

1813
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't. We were like we're sitting there for like

1814
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,560
Speaker 1: an hour and a half and I was like, what

1815
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: the hell is he talking about? Like, I didn't ask

1816
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: you because I don't care. I'm here coaching. Never told

1817
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 1: me i'm here. And he kept talking. We were looking

1818
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: at each other like, and I don't really care about

1819
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 1: how the money got to this person person. It was

1820
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: a strange conversation one way. It was not a conversation.

1821
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: It was a dissertation exactly, you know it was. It

1822
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: was basically presenting his case. It was weird. It was

1823
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: very very weird, very weird. Okay, so here's the question, Pete,

1824
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 1: did you ever get anything anything that wasn't by the book?

1825
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: I wasn't that good. So I ain't get nothing. Get

1826
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: the funk out of here. I ain't get no. I

1827
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: didn't not an't come my way. No, I don't no.

1828
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: I mean I know mother did. No. Huh. Do you

1829
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: know anybody who did? No? I miss I did. I

1830
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell you what I mean. I know a couple

1831
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: of people probably, But you know, maybe that's what I

1832
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: was Nah basketball playing football? Maybe yeah, it ain't basketball.

1833
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I want to get into football and what happened there,

1834
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: but bastball. The other thing we got was as and

1835
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: do better talks? You got ten dollars an hour. You

1836
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 1: got to work for Rusty in the and and and

1837
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 1: here's the Remember remember like this happened. This happened where

1838
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: you had to get your paycheck from coach Rusty sent

1839
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 1: Rusty sent the paycheck to coach because he wanted to

1840
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: make sure it was everything was on the up and

1841
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: up and that you were working the hours that you

1842
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,640
Speaker 1: were supposed to be working. So it wasn't like like

1843
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: any any anything and everything. Coach Coach had his hand

1844
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: on man, I mean he knew everything that was going on.

1845
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 1: I used to I mean I used to say, on campus,

1846
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: they smell you can't do anything. Yeah, okay, but I

1847
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 1: got the all time. I don't know if you guys

1848
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: know this. So um My, before my senior year, I

1849
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 1: went to Greece some hoop group all American team, right,

1850
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: so they could they couldn't they couldn't connect you with boosters,

1851
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 1: but they could tell you who the boosters to call

1852
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: were and you had to find their number. Anyways, I

1853
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: was trying to make some so the boosters end up

1854
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: illegally paying for your trip, right, But then I needed

1855
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: some spending money, so coaches like, oh, I got some

1856
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:25,719
Speaker 1: jobs for you. Come on. I saw him in some shorts, okay,

1857
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,759
Speaker 1: I never I've never seen him in shorts before or since.

1858
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: And he was in some like Bermuda shorts like you

1859
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,560
Speaker 1: know that plaid ugly ship that taverywhere, some short some

1860
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: tall light socks, and some like those coaching white and

1861
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: orange sneakers. And then like in Oklahoma State Polo, you know,

1862
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: and I go out there and he's like he had

1863
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 1: one of those. It was a push mower, but it

1864
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 1: was like it was like a self propelled. It wasn't

1865
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: like the old school. It actually helped kind of go along.

1866
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: It was. It was a good mower. But he's like,

1867
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: all right, do you to move by? And I was like, coach,

1868
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 1: that's a big as lawn. Now that's like, I will

1869
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 1: give you twenty five bucks for It's like twenty five

1870
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 1: bucks goes just like fifty bucks. It here's here's what

1871
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 1: I'll do. You do this one that I think Randall

1872
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: Dickie was staying in his rent house, which is around

1873
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 1: the corner. They do that one and I'll give you

1874
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 1: fifty bucks. Like a coach, I'm not gonna have a

1875
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: fifty dollars that because like my whole day. Oh, all right,

1876
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: I'll give you a seven. When I'm negotiating with coach, right,

1877
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: he goes, here's what I'll do. Okay, we're gonna or

1878
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: some lunch. I'll do you some lunch and I give

1879
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: you seventy five dollars, so that's fair. I was like,

1880
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 1: all right, coach whatever. So I did that, and then

1881
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: he got me like a bunch of mowing jobs, like

1882
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: right around his house. And again same thing where he

1883
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't let them other people pay me, like he wanted

1884
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 1: me to do it. And then he'd have those people

1885
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: call and say they were happy with what I did.

1886
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: Make sure I did the right way, like did you weedie?

1887
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we need it is like did

1888
01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: you weeded the right I was like, coach, are you

1889
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't? Are you fucking kidding me? Thirty degrees?

1890
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: And then he give me twenty five bucks in cash

1891
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: and like you know, so uh yeah, I mean he

1892
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: was he was a trip um. Okay, I got give

1893
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: me one game memory. Here's I got. I got a

1894
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: couple of game memories, ky, I have you remember this?

1895
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: So we played Kansas State my sophomore year. This was

1896
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: can't you remember when many dies dunked on Brett so hard.

1897
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 1: I saw Brett soul leave his body. It was it

1898
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: was philthy right. But if you remember that game, Case

1899
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Date wasn't very good and coach he also had this

1900
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: thing where in addition to knowing people who do who

1901
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: do you get on and who to lay off, he

1902
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: would kind of know how to push our buttons as

1903
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: a team. And I can't remember for our senior year

1904
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: or if it was the sophomore year, but he came

1905
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: in a halftime in the Kansasdate game. We're playing like

1906
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 1: ship and I was like, Oh, he's gonna jump us

1907
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: at how time. And he sits down on like the

1908
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: table like oh we'll be on oh you know, like

1909
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 1: totally chilled, and we're all looking around like what the

1910
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: hell we thought we were gonna get gonna get dream?

1911
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,560
Speaker 1: So I remember that just because it was like a

1912
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: it was like a psychological mind funk, if you will.

1913
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know where he was going with that one, right,

1914
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and then um and then I remember him going crazy.

1915
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: My senior year we played ut San Antonio. He used

1916
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: to do this for Pete and for Mace. We play

1917
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: those terrible teams right start of the year and we'd

1918
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 1: be winning by thirty and he's running like everything for them.

1919
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: And we come into locker room after the UT San

1920
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 1: Antonio game and I and I was like, coaching, why

1921
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 1: are we running all this ship for Pete and Mace.

1922
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: He's like, I was like, yeah, I wonder why. It's

1923
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: like because we played Kansas in Oklahoma, Patch's gonna win

1924
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: us the game. Brother, And that was just kind of

1925
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: working theory, which is he wanted you to like we

1926
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 1: didn't run really you know, complicated ship, but he wanted,

1927
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, like who is shooting the ball, where they're

1928
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 1: shooting the ball, and if somebody else is open. He

1929
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 1: was gonna be trying to think of a game. I'll

1930
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: go back to come back to my freshman year of

1931
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: something always stuck out to me. We were terrible. We

1932
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: went into Kansas and he coach, don't want to be there.

1933
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: You know, they had Paul Pierce, all these superstars, and

1934
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 1: we were just struggling. And I think I had twenty

1935
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: seven or eight just playing, you know, just trying to

1936
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 1: do the best you can't. I didn't know any better

1937
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: than freshman, and I remember running off the court, he

1938
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 1: kind of grabbed me hugged me and just um, he

1939
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: whispered our ear and he said he said, told me,

1940
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 1: hell was a job. He said, hey, but we got

1941
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: you some help coming next year, so you keep getting better.

1942
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: And that right there kind of all because that's the

1943
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: only time you ever, you know, showed me any kind

1944
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: of sympathy towards anything. But I remember that moment. And

1945
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 1: also we're playing Kansas again. On the flip side of that,

1946
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he never really got on to me during the game,

1947
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 1: but he lost it on me at halftime. I don't

1948
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,599
Speaker 1: know if y'all remember Paul Pierce was his junior year.

1949
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,799
Speaker 1: He was killing me. Child was yelling at me, coaches

1950
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: yelling at me, and we we never won the game.

1951
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: But I just remember him jumping on me and just

1952
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: riding my ass and it didn't work, but I got

1953
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: his point. I just remember that sticking out. But I

1954
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: remember had any instances with him during the game where

1955
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: he really got onto me, because I guess I was

1956
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: used to it. I don't know, but as far as

1957
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: game memberies of the only things that stick out, and

1958
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 1: I noticed one extrain to the next. But that's kind

1959
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: of what sticks with me always. The Kansas thing. I

1960
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: remember and you guys can attest this, I think be

1961
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: and I talked about this in the Pastwich if you

1962
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 1: remember that game against Pierce and the Friends your junior year, right,

1963
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: they were like ranked fourth in the country and uh,

1964
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 1: and we were We won the South and we were

1965
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: supposed to we were picked dead last. And coach comes

1966
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: in the day before the game. I remember, you always

1967
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: do the line, right, he always do this big one.

1968
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if the betting line we were

1969
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: favorites or we were underdogs. It was we were. We

1970
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 1: were screwed, right if we're underdogs, like, see, Vegas doesn't

1971
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: even think you're any good, right, Vegas, Vegas there six

1972
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 1: points better than you on floor right, And if you

1973
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: were favorites, like, oh, Vegas doesn't know anything anything. You

1974
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: guys are favorite. You guys got the big head because

1975
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: you looked in the paper and saw your favorite. Like

1976
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 1: we didn't the paper and saw the favorite. The rest

1977
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: of us didn't. Anyway, So he comes in and again

1978
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember this, but he

1979
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: goes Smith right before the game. No, it was the

1980
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 1: day before the game. Man, kids, spinner, We're like, what

1981
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: kids doing you? Like they got Pierce friends they got,

1982
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, they got Nick Gregory. He's like going to

1983
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 1: going through a Listen, we're all getting sucking pissed, right,

1984
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't like Robertson. Heat ends up hating Robertson because

1985
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: he got drafted when he woke up from surgery. Right.

1986
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I've got with Chennaw all these dudes. Right.

1987
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: And but the last thing you want your coach say

1988
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 1: the day before you play Cands on ABC is they're

1989
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 1: better than they're better when they got peers with friends,

1990
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: they're about eight twelve points better. It's like, but I

1991
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:31,679
Speaker 1: coached against boy a long time, like brother, he's gonna

1992
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,640
Speaker 1: take them both out the same time. It takes them

1993
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 1: both out the same time. We're better than that. And

1994
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: you go back and watch that game they'll play. They

1995
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: play it on whatever ESPN Classic or whatever they do now,

1996
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: and like news, they played the classic games. Go back

1997
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: and watch. So we started Tommy Warner that game because

1998
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 1: Senior Night was not a good decision. Damn thing three

1999
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: times before you get him out of a game. Yeah, yeah,

2000
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 1: it's almost time out to getting my and I came

2001
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: in and I was terrible, and we're down, like twelve

2002
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: to two to start the game, right, and the whole

2003
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 1: place like uh, and they're running us off the court.

2004
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, like midway through the

2005
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 1: first half, Hey, here comes those two gazelles out of

2006
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 1: the game at the same time. And we all look

2007
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: at coach and he's like got that smirk on any

2008
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 1: sudden smirk on his face, like I told you, don't

2009
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: you gonna take a both out? And sure enough we're

2010
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: down like I don't know four or five and a

2011
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: half or something, right, and cut it second half the

2012
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 1: same ship. But it was more than like told us

2013
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen, when it was gonna happen, how

2014
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, and you're like, holy sh it, this

2015
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,440
Speaker 1: guy is right. It was. It was an amazing things

2016
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: amazing I also did like that, And I was never

2017
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: really that guy. I love. I wish I was beat

2018
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: or Mace because those dudes literally never came out of

2019
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,559
Speaker 1: the game. That's how I want my best Like they're

2020
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: my best players. Why would I take him out of

2021
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 1: the game? Stupid? And in the big games, those dudes.

2022
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: So I be your your favorite, uh. In game A

2023
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: and m Man Texas A and m Our senior year,

2024
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 1: we were rolling, remember I know, but we were. We

2025
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: were rolling up until that point we go out. I

2026
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:20,639
Speaker 1: think we were. I mean we were on a nice

2027
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: little waiting streak. We were. I think we had a

2028
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: two game lead in the Big twelve. Everything was going

2029
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 1: right for us. We go down to A and M.

2030
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 1: They absolutely suck. Remember the end of the game. Uh

2031
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 1: it was just bad, man, I mean we fell apart.

2032
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: We couldn't execute. Uh. I missed like probably three or

2033
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 1: four front ends of one of the ones within the

2034
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 1: last minute. Uh So we end up losing. And I

2035
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: remember getting in the locker room, and you know how

2036
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 1: we traveled, right, We had the three vans and then

2037
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: we would we would you know, we had the three

2038
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: planes that we flew on separately, and then you know,

2039
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 1: the seniors we all flew. We all flew with coach.

2040
01:50:54,920 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 1: So the time. Yeah, I know what you did. I

2041
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: know you did well. Coaches coaches in there too, in

2042
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 1: our as, you know, like all over us. And and

2043
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think of is like, I mean,

2044
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 1: I had a badass game. I didn't play very well.

2045
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, ship, I gotta the whole way the

2046
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 1: the whole timing of this is gonna be how I

2047
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: get out of the locker room and I get on

2048
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: one of those vans and I get a good seat

2049
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: so I can be the first one off the van

2050
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: and the first one out of airplane, so I don't

2051
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 1: have to hit the sit in the jumper seat across

2052
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: from coach and Sean because you know they always sit. Yeah,

2053
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 1: you want to be in the back of the plane.

2054
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: So the whole time coaches jumping my ass. You know

2055
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 1: you played like ship, you make free throw, like all

2056
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: this stuff. Right, He's all over us. So we get

2057
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:43,600
Speaker 1: to the we get to the van, and it's a

2058
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 1: mad dash of the van. So I get in the

2059
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 1: van and I'm the last one in the band, and

2060
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: I'm like ship this. We know we got a ten

2061
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 1: fIF tea minute ride to the airport. And the whole

2062
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: time I'm thinking, the last one on the van means

2063
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 1: last one off the van means I'm sitting across from

2064
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 1: coaching Sean on the plane ride home. And I didn't

2065
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: play very well. So we we get off, we get

2066
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: all the and so so here's the thing, Man, we

2067
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 1: get on the planet plane, I'm the last one of

2068
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 1: the plane. Man. Yeah, I'm the last one on the plane. Man.

2069
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 1: And this this is Coach's effect. He could just look

2070
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: at you and and he had he just had that

2071
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, man, but it was

2072
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 1: just the way he could look at you sometimes would

2073
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 1: would would kind of kill you a little bit, you know.

2074
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 1: So I get on the plane. I'm in that jumper

2075
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: sat and there's not a lot of leg room, and

2076
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Seawan and Coach are sitting across from me. I'm sitting sidewings,

2077
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 1: you know. And I've got my my book bag with me,

2078
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, in my backpack with me and everything else.

2079
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:45,719
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm yeah, I'm searching for something. I'm searching

2080
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 1: for something to pull out. So I'm pulling out books

2081
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: and everything. So we take off and and Coaches got

2082
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 1: his glasses on, you know, and how he worem out

2083
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: of his nose and the tip of his nose, and

2084
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,720
Speaker 1: he's got the newspaper spread out right, and you can't

2085
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: see his face. And then Sean, like he said, Sean

2086
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 1: is always staring at the stats. So Sean's staring at

2087
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: the stats and looking at me with this bottom lip out,

2088
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: just giving me the death stare, right, So I try

2089
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,719
Speaker 1: to move. I try to move my feet. Coaches coaches

2090
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 1: got the paper. He can't even see me. I'm sitting

2091
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 1: probably four ft across from him. Right as soon as

2092
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 1: I try to move my feet, coach Coach takes his

2093
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: feet and puts him in the spot where I was

2094
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 1: gonna put him, and it kind of kicks me out

2095
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: of the way. And then every ten minutes he he'd

2096
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: pull that newspaper down and just stare at me. He'd

2097
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: stare at me for about thirty seconds, just looking at me,

2098
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 1: just look at me. It wouldn't say anything. He just

2099
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,680
Speaker 1: pull his glasses down and stare at me and then

2100
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 1: put the newspaper up. So the whole ride back, I'm thinking,

2101
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: damn this, this is uncomfortable. Man, this is not fun.

2102
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm What's he thinking? What What's gonna happen? So we

2103
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: get back to Stillwater and we land, and I think

2104
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 1: Steve Solzer, one of the managers, comes up to me

2105
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, Coach wants to see you

2106
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 1: first thing in the office tomorrow morning. And I'm like,

2107
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship, I gotta go through this whole twenty

2108
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,840
Speaker 1: four hour deal, thinking about he's gonna say to me

2109
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: and what you know, like like I'm replaying the game,

2110
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like figure out what went wrong. I'm

2111
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what he's gonna say, what he's

2112
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: gonna do, everything else. So it was the it was

2113
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: the fact of like him, him having that power and

2114
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 1: just that miset and that control sometimes over us to

2115
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: where where he could get us thinking about things and

2116
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: what he was gonna say to us and what he

2117
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 1: was gonna do to us because we knew, you know,

2118
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 1: we knew how demanding he was, you know, and how

2119
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: strict he was as a coach. But I got in

2120
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: there that morning and I'm thinking, I'm gonna get lit

2121
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: up and everything else, and there wasn't anything. It was

2122
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: more of a do better talk, like, hey, let's refocus,

2123
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, let's get your mind right. You know, that

2124
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: game happened, it was over, But I went through hell

2125
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours agonizing over what the hell he

2126
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: was gonna say to me that next morning. Uh, speaking

2127
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 1: of the better talks, those are the most uncomfortable things.

2128
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: And so for people who don't know what to do.

2129
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 1: Better talk is coaches say like you need to come

2130
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,160
Speaker 1: up to my ownice, have a better talk, and he

2131
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 1: had this long sofa, right, and then he'd have all

2132
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: the minions, all the assistants lined up, and one would

2133
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: have talked to every one of your professors. Right, one

2134
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:14,320
Speaker 1: checked on your like dorm room. One knew who you

2135
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: were dating and what you were doing. And then coach,

2136
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 1: and then maybe one other one was was talking about

2137
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 1: your workouts and what you've been doing. Right, they talked

2138
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: to the strength coach, they talked to you worked out,

2139
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 1: They find out about your girlfriend or you're dating your professor,

2140
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: they've searched your room for boozer, for weed or whatever. Right,

2141
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 1: and then and then they would all just kill you,

2142
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 1: kill you, like make you feel like you're the worst

2143
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: human being on earth. And then coach like, all right,

2144
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: well listen, we need to do better, right, all do better?

2145
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 1: We need to do better on I never so I

2146
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: won't say the former Cowboys name. But he came after us,

2147
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: and he came after us, and maybe we'll maybe he

2148
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 1: will out himself at some point. I don't know if

2149
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 1: you guys know this story, but uh, he had to

2150
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: do better. Talk and they were all crushing him, and

2151
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, he had like parking tickets, like literally you know, again.

2152
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 1: They knew everything, parking tickets, you name it. And he's like,

2153
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: what do you have to say for yourself? And he's like, coach,

2154
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:26,600
Speaker 1: it's the demon. Yeah. And he's like, oh, we else,

2155
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm taking a ch so it's the demon. He was

2156
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: going to his jump, like coach, man, there's so many

2157
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 1: beautiful there's so many beautiful girls. Don't do the state now.

2158
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I can't just you know, like I I just I

2159
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 1: just love it coaching, like you know, I'm playing and

2160
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: all these girls are all into me. And he's like, oh,

2161
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 1: and I won't say the guy his name. So he's like, coach,

2162
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 1: you coach, don't, don't say nothing to nobody. But I've

2163
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 1: never say anything right. So I was broadcasting games at

2164
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 1: that time, but I know the story. So I'm literally sitting,

2165
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, like a couple of seats over from the bench,

2166
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: and they're playing at Baylor, and this particular player would

2167
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: do the thing that would frustrate coach the most, any

2168
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 1: coach most, which is you draw up a play that

2169
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 1: you practiced and then you come out and you go like, hey, man,

2170
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 1: will we in right funk? Would we just talking about

2171
01:57:28,360 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 1: right in? Yo? Yo? Dog? Will we in anyway. Uh,

2172
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 1: he turned him in clear his day and like Baylor

2173
01:57:36,720 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: wasn't full back then, right, So everything here he goes,

2174
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 1: don't need to stop thinking of that, damon, and dude,

2175
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: coaches on the bench are dying, dying because you know

2176
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 1: he based, he bared his soul that you know, his

2177
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 1: junk was getting in trouble because that's all I could

2178
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:54,360
Speaker 1: think about and then coach literally out of him the

2179
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 1: very next game. That's that that do better. Talk was

2180
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be private and confidential. He was. He never confidential, never, never, ever,

2181
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: ever ever. It was all of the demons. He even

2182
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 1: something with the demons. I think Brian knows who that is, Peter. Okay, okay,

2183
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: true story, true true story. Uh, honestly, he was a

2184
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: good player, yes, huh, he was a good player. He

2185
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 1: was a good player. He's a good player, and yeah

2186
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 1: he was. He's a good player and a good dude

2187
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 1: and a funny dude at that. And I think we

2188
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: all kind of suffered from that demon complex at some point.

2189
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: Um uh, beat beat Did you ever see anybody get

2190
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 1: to take can? No? Man? No, I mean we all

2191
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:54,360
Speaker 1: had we all worked together, you know what I mean,

2192
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 1: We all had the same summer job, you know, out

2193
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 1: there with Rusty Shaw. Um. No, I'm and never never,

2194
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 1: never have I seen anybody get anything or and Coach

2195
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: was always coach. I mean, Coach knew everything that was

2196
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: going on at school, you know, so there's no way

2197
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 1: that that would happen under his watch. I believe, you know,

2198
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: at least I'm I'm what I what I experienced. There's

2199
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 1: there's no way. I mean, you know, you hear of

2200
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 1: other things, other places and stuff like that, but not

2201
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 1: a not a still water, not will coach Um. Last

2202
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: thing is this, I think that, And you guys, something

2203
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 1: come wrong. I remember losing the n c A tournament

2204
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: and feeling like I let him down right Like Brian,

2205
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 1: you got you were you were sick, but we were

2206
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 1: and I end up getting sick. But Pete, I don't

2207
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: know if you felt this way when we lost in indeed,

2208
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: but I mean that's really kind of the power of him,

2209
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Like you, I wanted so badly to win for him

2210
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: and for us more than for myself, you know, like

2211
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: that town kind of close to her, but also how

2212
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: much we thought of him, even all the all the

2213
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: mental of his mind games or motivation or whatever he

2214
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: was doing. Like I remember losing their last game, sitting

2215
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: Houston locker room going like, man, I let him down,

2216
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: Like I played bad. We lost and the last time

2217
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I'll ever played for him. Do you guys feel that way?

2218
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I would say, yeah, I won't we who

2219
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: We played Auburn my senior Yeah, that was a tough

2220
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: because that was a game we should have we should

2221
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 1: have won. I mean we beat Syracuse, I think, which

2222
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 1: that was I think that was more of a challenge,

2223
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:41,280
Speaker 1: but we should have beat Auburn and that was It

2224
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 1: was a letdown for everybody. It was my senior year,

2225
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 1: but I mean it was just a game. We were

2226
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:49,560
Speaker 1: just a better team than Auburn I thought. And I

2227
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: mean it was definitely a letdown for coach because you

2228
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 1: hear all the time out you know he had he's

2229
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: never won national title. Not saying we were at that level,

2230
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 1: but in a term di do you never know what

2231
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:59,320
Speaker 1: could have happened. I think we were at that level.

2232
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 1: The only thing he didn't do that year, he only

2233
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: did it once was played small right, because remember that

2234
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 1: year we had Glennon, and Glenna would screw everything up

2235
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 1: because he couldn't guard an right so we had to

2236
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 1: put in that matchup zone to try and hide him.

2237
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 1: And then Joe got hurt against Kansas and so he

2238
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: wasn't playing that much. But we played Texas that year

2239
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,839
Speaker 1: and lost at home, and we had a big comeback

2240
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:29,520
Speaker 1: at the end because we played small and we played

2241
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 1: Mace at the five, like can you imagine that team

2242
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 1: and Mason the five, And essentially that's uh sort of

2243
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:38,520
Speaker 1: what we did when Brian became a star of the

2244
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,840
Speaker 1: next year, right, Brian at times was the five. When

2245
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 1: Fred would come out, we have Mace at the four whatever.

2246
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: That was an impossible matchup for dudes, But that that

2247
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: that was the thing that year was we had. Our

2248
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 1: numbers were a little bit off with meet you, Joe

2249
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: and and Glendon and trying and Mason trying to find

2250
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: minutes for five dudes and Mace still playing the poor then,

2251
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 1: but to play small, that was the only thing in

2252
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:04,920
Speaker 1: that year which I thought it could have done. It

2253
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:12,640
Speaker 1: didn't do. No. Well, look, man, I love having you

2254
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 1: guys on. It was awesome. I'm gonna watch like you

2255
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 1: a Saturday, but I will as much I'll think about him,

2256
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:19,840
Speaker 1: I'll think about like all of our crazy ship together

2257
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: and and uh, it was. It's interesting, you know, now

2258
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 1: you're like twenty years removed or whatever from it, it

2259
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:32,320
Speaker 1: still feels like yesterday. And you know, I'm not sure

2260
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: I would change much anything of it, you know. You know,

2261
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: And and I in with this Doug real quick. You know,

2262
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 1: my we were up in Lawrence this weekend playing basketball

2263
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:46,440
Speaker 1: with my son's AU team, and we had a little downtime,

2264
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:48,360
Speaker 1: so we got to go through Fall Gallen and kind

2265
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:49,600
Speaker 1: of hang out in there, and it was it was

2266
02:02:49,680 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: really cool man for me to sit with my son

2267
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: and there's no one in fag Gallan and and we're

2268
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 1: sitting in there and and we're talking about He's asking

2269
02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 1: me questions like that you played in here? What was

2270
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:02,960
Speaker 1: it like? You know, And I brought up the game

2271
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: our junior year when we lost, you know, uh on

2272
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,320
Speaker 1: the bogus call from half court. But you know, and

2273
02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 1: then he started asking about he started asking about the

2274
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 1: time at os U and about playing for coach. You know,

2275
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 1: it was it was, I mean, we spent forty five

2276
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 1: minutes in there, and and the thing is is like

2277
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we were disappointed at the

2278
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 1: end of our career by not helping him achieve his

2279
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: ultimate goal of winning the national championship. But I still think,

2280
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 1: to this day, we still fight for him. You know,

2281
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 1: I still think to this day, you know, when when

2282
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 1: he would he wouldn't get the call to be in

2283
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame and things like that, how disappointed

2284
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,560
Speaker 1: it was us, and how vocal we were, um, you know,

2285
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:43,160
Speaker 1: making sure that you know, whatever we had to do

2286
02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:45,720
Speaker 1: to get him on the radar or people keep talking

2287
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: about him, to ultimately getting him in the Hall of Fame.

2288
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He's and like I shared

2289
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:52,080
Speaker 1: with my son, I'm like, I'm like, you know, he

2290
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 1: he changed me for the better, not as a basketball player,

2291
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 1: but but as a person as a man. I mean,

2292
02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: he's opened up doors for me, um, you know, with

2293
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 1: my career and things like that, by playing for him

2294
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: and playing in the structure and playing in the discipline

2295
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:07,840
Speaker 1: and going through all the things that he he he

2296
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: put us through over the course of our career. Um,

2297
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what I told him. I'm like, man,

2298
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:15,200
Speaker 1: if you get an opportunity to play for for someone

2299
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 1: like a coach Sutton and get the opportunity to play

2300
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 1: college basketball, it goes by really fast. But The crazy

2301
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: thing is your memories and your friendship and your bond

2302
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,160
Speaker 1: with your teammates will be lifelong and last week, um,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I'm really appreciated of. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been talked to Pete in a while, but just you know,

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Speaker 1: seeing Pete on the call and you know, and you

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Speaker 1: know I keep in contact with you a lot, and

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Speaker 1: then talking to Mace, it just brings back all those

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Speaker 1: memories of us being together and playing and and thinking

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Speaker 1: back of um, you know, all the all the ups

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Speaker 1: and downs we had of it. And you know, like I,

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Speaker 1: like you said, you wouldn't have changed anything. I probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have done either, you know, I would have. I

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Speaker 1: would have. I loved the experience that I had playing

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Speaker 1: for coach and playing at Oaklhoda State. I actually I

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Speaker 1: would have if I could have, if I could do

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Speaker 1: it again, I would have had more open and honest

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Speaker 1: conference stations with him, you know, and you know it

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Speaker 1: just again, if I could, because those conversations you have

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Speaker 1: when you're done playing for him, we're so we're so honest.

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Speaker 1: I wish I would have. Wish I would have had that,

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Speaker 1: wish I wish I would have been able to talk

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Speaker 1: and go like, hey, coach, you know, if you just

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Speaker 1: let me shoot open shots and not take me out

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Speaker 1: like I can manage, what have happened? If you said that,

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Speaker 1: would I would have I would have paid good money

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Speaker 1: to hear you have that conversation with him where we

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Speaker 1: were playing, because your ass would have been sitting. I

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Speaker 1: would have said, I would I would have trying to

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Speaker 1: negotiate it. Feel like if I wanted if I just

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Speaker 1: don't take threes, will you not take me out? You know,

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Speaker 1: I just don't take threes. So but it was, it was,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty special. Yeah, you're you're right?

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Speaker 1: Does it just does open doors? Like the second you

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Speaker 1: say you played for him, people like, oh you played

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Speaker 1: pretty Sutton. Oh hell that's all I here's I'll leave

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02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:00,400
Speaker 1: with this and you guys could test it. He used

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02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 1: to say a lot of times, really shitty long practice.

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Speaker 1: When he'd be rambling, he'd say, you think this is hard.

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Speaker 1: If you can do this, you can do anything. You

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02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 1: know what I've been through, Pete. You've been through some

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02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 1: ship right in your career. Be you've been through a

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Speaker 1: bunch of ships. I've been through it all. And you

2343
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:29,839
Speaker 1: know what, he was right, nothing harder, nothing more rewarding.

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, it actually prepares you

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Speaker 1: for life, which is kind of how I try and

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Speaker 1: coach kids now, which is like, hey, if I if

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Speaker 1: I'm super easy on you and I tell you like

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02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 1: it's okay to not do something, then I'm I'm feeling

2349
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:47,520
Speaker 1: and you know, preparing you not just for high school

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02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 1: or college basketball, but for life, you know. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, he can't make us perfect people, but he

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Speaker 1: did prepare us for the hard times in life. Right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I love you, guys, I gotta I gotta go. I

2354
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Speaker 1: ont a radio show. You're the best. I'll catch up

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Speaker 1: with get both, uh really shortly, and thanks thanks for

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Speaker 1: doing this for him. I'll let you guys. All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. Um all right. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to back end this with a little discussion about

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Speaker 1: the NBA. As Lebron still struggles to recover from the

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Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. The Lakers look like they're destined for

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Speaker 1: the playing game. I don't think that's the death knew

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, like, I understand that they're kind of mojo

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Speaker 1: was down a couple of days ago, but now that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is back humming and playing well. Granted, you

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Speaker 1: want Lebron to be right, you wanted to be in

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Speaker 1: game shape, and it's gonna be really hard to have

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Speaker 1: them start playing against the Pacers and then have them

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Speaker 1: ready to go for the playing playing games. But and

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Speaker 1: you play completely differently when you play with Lebron. Is

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Speaker 1: the closest playing without Lebron. That said, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't think Phoenix can beat him. I think the Phoenix's

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Speaker 1: bad matchup for Phoenix. And with that in mind, I'm

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Speaker 1: very much intrigued, very much intrigued by the idea that

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Um should have done everything they could to avoid

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Speaker 1: the Lakers as they can. The Lakers keep winning games,

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Speaker 1: could they potentially climb out of the playing They could?

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Speaker 1: Will they probably not? But I think that's not the

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Speaker 1: worst news in the world. That the reason they don't

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Speaker 1: want to be in those playing games is really really simple.

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Speaker 1: It's the it's the wear and tear on their bodies,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily anyone game or anyone's series. The wear and

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Speaker 1: tear on their bodies is going to be really really

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Speaker 1: really tough, really tough, but not the not a death

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Speaker 1: knell by anyone's estimation. Anyone's So I think the Lakers

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Speaker 1: are still I don't want to say good to go,

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Speaker 1: but a A. If you want to say their favorite,

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Speaker 1: no one's gonna argue with you, as they won it

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02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:03,320
Speaker 1: last year and on paper, very good talent, and they're

2389
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to use Drummond and a

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Speaker 1: D together. Now they've gotta have Drummond and Lebron and

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Speaker 1: a D together, as well as what do they do

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Speaker 1: with Kuzma, how do they play Shrewder? What does Shooter

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Speaker 1: look like when they get to the playoffs? Remember they

2394
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Speaker 1: badly needed um Rondo last year, and Shrewder is more

2395
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Speaker 1: talented and younger than Rondo. But Rondo's lived through it

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Speaker 1: and done it kind of been through it, you know,

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Speaker 1: been there, done that sort of deal. And so with

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Speaker 1: that mind, I I do think that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of unknown with Dennis Shrewder and how he's going to

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Speaker 1: play here late in this late in the season and

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and especially he's gonna be coming off

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Speaker 1: a quarantine shutdown or COVID shutdown. It's the only thing

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Speaker 1: it could be. Health and safety protocols translate roughly into that.

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Speaker 1: Like that element to it is really interesting. But the

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Speaker 1: Lakers and the Suns, I don't like. I love the

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Speaker 1: Lakers if in fact they match up against the Suns,

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Speaker 1: which it feels like they're on a collision course with.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, listen, enjoy this weekend's Hall of Fame festivities.

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Speaker 1: Remember when you watch Eddie Sutton get inducted, some of

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Speaker 1: the stories and thoughts of of my teammates and our

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Speaker 1: experience and playing for a legend. I hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball.