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Speaker 3: And a glorious Monday morning to one and all out there.
Speaker 3: This is Mick Shots inside the Brands Banking SWBC podcast
Speaker 3: studio here at the beautiful Star in Frisco, and Bill Jones,
Speaker 3: Everson Walls turn and wave at the camera. Everson and
Speaker 3: the star of our show, Mickey Spagnola. We are all
Speaker 3: back here in Frisco.
Speaker 2: This is nice, fine, this it's really nice. I had
Speaker 2: no idea.
Speaker 4: They kept telling me, people were sending me pictures, but
Speaker 4: this is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: We got the studio, of course we do.
Speaker 2: I don't know about the rest of them.
Speaker 3: Ever since, just complaining we're seeing in the back of
Speaker 3: his head.
Speaker 2: It's a good look.
Speaker 4: I got good hurt, i'd be blind and everybody with
Speaker 4: my bald spot.
Speaker 3: Now Eversin doesn't have a bald spot.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: I've discovered that I do have one back there, and
Speaker 3: so we got here first. Ever since, so we sat.
Speaker 5: In the gard.
Speaker 3: All right. You know what, I'm thinking that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: got out of California just in time. Yes, it's like
Speaker 3: it looks like the Good Lord was looking over this
Speaker 3: team and said, okay, you schedule training camp until what
Speaker 3: would have been August eighteenth. I'm sending you to Seattle
Speaker 3: at that point. And then here comes a tropical storm
Speaker 3: and an.
Speaker 2: Earthquake and an earthquake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which, by the way, but by the way, it
Speaker 4: struck the earthquake in Ohi, which is right next to
Speaker 4: Oxnard in Ventura. And I checked on my friends that
Speaker 4: live in Oxnard, and I said, well, what did it
Speaker 4: feel like? And they said it felt like I was
Speaker 4: on a big wave that they felt that it.
Speaker 5: Was raining and it happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they were getting wet and there was an earthquake.
Speaker 3: And in fact, think about it, if this would have
Speaker 3: happened a week ago, the Cowboys wouldn't have had any
Speaker 3: practice at all out there this week. Well, it sounds
Speaker 3: like with the flood and flooding that's going on there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not many hurricanes come through southern California.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's rare.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The good thing with the earthquake. They didn't have a
Speaker 4: tsunami either. Yeah, right, because you know we're only like
Speaker 4: five miles from the ocean where the practice fields are.
Speaker 5: So you guys left straight from Seattle.
Speaker 3: Ye, the Cowboys broke camp on Friday and flew to
Speaker 3: Seattle and then came from at all.
Speaker 2: And a charter home six am.
Speaker 3: Seven am here. I wasn't on the charter. I was
Speaker 3: on a red eye though.
Speaker 2: Now it was six am when we got in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven am for me, and then an hour and
Speaker 3: a half before I found out my bag wasn't getting on.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to find out today if my bags.
Speaker 3: Made the truck. So here we are starting a new week,
Speaker 3: and training camp continues here at the Star in Frisco
Speaker 3: on Tuesday night, Wednesday night, and Thursday afternoon, free and
Speaker 3: open to the public. You can watch this team and
Speaker 3: it's it's great to say. And also you'll be able
Speaker 3: to watch them as well than the Tuesday night practice,
Speaker 3: which will be Cowboys Night right here and on t
Speaker 3: X at one locally in Dallas Fort Worth.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so we'll get to see first steamers on the
Speaker 3: field or spans you can see first steamers on the field.
Speaker 2: What you didn't see pres exactly right?
Speaker 3: You want to start? Where would you like to start
Speaker 3: with the bad news?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, and of course there were two major injuries, and
Speaker 3: get an injury update from Mickey otherwise as well. But
Speaker 3: the two major ones demarve on Overshowing, the linebacker, as
Speaker 3: well as John Stevens Junior, the tied end, both with
Speaker 3: ACLS suffered on Saturday night, and so they're both lost.
Speaker 7: With both, you couldn't You couldn't tell now based on
Speaker 7: the play what exactly.
Speaker 3: And to Marvion, I mean he started to get up
Speaker 3: and then he reached for his knee. He didn't feel
Speaker 3: it until he started to get up, but then he
Speaker 3: walked off under his own power, that true.
Speaker 4: Power, and then they went into the tent. The next
Speaker 4: thing we know, they were carting them into the locker room.
Speaker 5: And then with.
Speaker 4: John Stevens, I don't I didn't even see when he
Speaker 4: got hurt, but I saw him walk into the locker
Speaker 4: room with doctor Muller and it was like.
Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't look to too bad.
Speaker 3: But then well it was right off the line of
Speaker 3: scrimmage who had a replay of it did and then
Speaker 3: he was basically hopped off the field.
Speaker 7: I was thinking maybe he ran up on the back
Speaker 7: of the guy in front of him that was trying
Speaker 7: to block, or who was trying to pursue the play right,
Speaker 7: and maybe he got kicked in the in the shen
Speaker 7: and then a bad step.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, the sad part of it is is Overshawane was
Speaker 4: playing awfully well. Obviously, third round draft choice, he's going
Speaker 4: to make the team, right, but he was going to
Speaker 4: get playing time. He was going to be on every
Speaker 4: special teams unit. Uh, they were going to work him
Speaker 4: in on the nickel defense at the other linebacker position.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was gonna he was going to have
Speaker 2: a role on this team.
Speaker 4: And uh, he was playing awfully, awfully well. Now as
Speaker 4: for John Stevens, Uh, he was going to make a
Speaker 4: make it a difficult decision if they think that they
Speaker 4: could get him on to the practice squad. But he
Speaker 4: was showing so much, I don't know, awfully talented. But
Speaker 4: how many tight ends can you keep on a team, you.
Speaker 3: Know, truthfully from an experienced standpoint at the tight end position.
Speaker 3: I mean, you went into camp thinking he's the fifth
Speaker 3: on the depth chart, right, and even though he had
Speaker 3: shown things early from an experienced standpoint, depending on how
Speaker 3: many you're going to keep. And if you look at
Speaker 3: McEwen as okay, can he be more? Can you can
Speaker 3: you keep him more as like the h back you know,
Speaker 3: full back type and which would allow you to keep numbers,
Speaker 3: wise keep more. But he was likely, you know, if
Speaker 3: everyone stayed healthy. The four guys in front of him
Speaker 3: being Ferguson, schoon Maker as well as Hindershott and McEwan.
Speaker 3: There's your four more experienced ones in front of him,
Speaker 3: and so it was going to be tough for him
Speaker 3: to make that fifteenth right.
Speaker 4: And then it might have been tough to get him
Speaker 4: onto the practice squad if somebody needed a tight end.
Speaker 3: Only saving grace on that would be With the new
Speaker 3: rules this year, they are no cuts prior no mandatory
Speaker 3: cuts prior to after the last preseason game, and so
Speaker 3: everybody's cutting from ninety down to fifty three and so
Speaker 3: they're I mean, think about there's thirty seven players from
Speaker 3: every team in the league that's out there, and this
Speaker 3: year you might be more likely to slide a guy
Speaker 3: to the practice squad, but keeping him there and not
Speaker 3: having someone pick him off at some point during the
Speaker 3: season might be troublesome.
Speaker 4: And then the good thing is he's never played tight
Speaker 4: end before. That first preseason game was the first time
Speaker 4: he'd ever played tight white.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see from that standpoint, other teams, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're in the same boat the Cowboys are. They understand,
Speaker 3: they scout, they know John Stevens was a wide receiver
Speaker 3: in college. They look at him probably even more so
Speaker 3: of a developmental player than we do here because we've
Speaker 3: we've seen him in practice every day and so forth,
Speaker 3: and seeing how he's making the progress.
Speaker 4: And the tough thing making the transition is not the receiver.
Speaker 4: Part of it is blocking. Right, If you're going to
Speaker 4: put him out there, is he every time he goes out,
Speaker 4: Does that mean he's a receiver?
Speaker 7: Well, because he's never bounced to block, you're going to
Speaker 7: get injured. Well, sitting he was a wide receiver. Now
Speaker 7: you got to the mix.
Speaker 3: Well six, he's got the building, he's got right, And
Speaker 3: here's what's going I think's gonna happen with him. Now
Speaker 3: he's going to be he's gonna rehab and hopefully it's
Speaker 3: just the simple acl where uh he'll be able to
Speaker 3: take part in uh a full off season. I mean anymore,
Speaker 3: the a cls are considered basically six month injuries, and uh,
Speaker 3: he'll be able to and he'll be in that weight room.
Speaker 3: And he's listed at six six two forty five now,
Speaker 3: and I don't think he'll lose any athleticism being six
Speaker 3: six two fifty and you know, and uh, I think
Speaker 3: he was not going unless there were matt of injuries
Speaker 3: at that position, he was not going to get much
Speaker 3: playing time even if he made the fifty three.
Speaker 7: This to me, just like there are a lot of
Speaker 7: tight ends on the Cowboys. We've talked in the last
Speaker 7: couple of years about all of the talented tight ends
Speaker 7: that have come out of the NCAA in the last
Speaker 7: couple of years. I think he'll be I think they've
Speaker 7: got enough tight ends.
Speaker 5: No, they do on their own squad.
Speaker 2: But it was just a guy that had a dimension
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 4: When he was running down the hash near the goal line,
Speaker 4: you know, linebacker can't stay with him, and the safeties
Speaker 4: are probably too small and he could body up on him.
Speaker 5: Doubt.
Speaker 4: So I was going to ask you if you recall
Speaker 4: his father, John Stevens Senior, was the first round draft
Speaker 4: choice of the New England Patriots. In nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 4: as a running back, first round, seventeenth pick. He gained
Speaker 4: one thousand yards his first year. You don't recall, I
Speaker 4: don't you know. We were having our own problems in
Speaker 4: the ages. We were trying to win a game, right,
Speaker 4: That's what I recall. No, I don't recall him at all.
Speaker 2: So he's got good geens.
Speaker 5: He does what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Did you say that he made the Pro Bowl in
Speaker 3: eighty eight, Yeah, as a rookie. Yeah, as a rookie
Speaker 3: with the Patriots. A passed away several years ago. John
Speaker 3: stevens half sister is Sloan Stevens, the tennis person.
Speaker 2: I yes, yes, I know there's some family.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Mom was a track star in college and dad obviously
Speaker 3: running back.
Speaker 2: But his his his birth mother was a.
Speaker 4: Star athlete in high school in the world.
Speaker 5: Said his.
Speaker 4: His birth mother is from Yeah, Louisiana, and.
Speaker 3: Sloan when she was growing up being such a tennis player,
Speaker 3: they moved to Florida where she trained for tennis as
Speaker 3: a teenager. And so she's would be what like seven
Speaker 3: or eight years older than John. So they didn't grow
Speaker 3: up together. But I talked to John Stevens after the
Speaker 3: first preseason game and he says, yeah, they text a
Speaker 3: lot and stuff. So, uh but anyway, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: he's a guy that now red shirts, and uh, there's
Speaker 3: a real good hope for the future that he's he
Speaker 3: has a good future in the NFL. And the same
Speaker 3: goes for overshow now he's a red shirt player and
Speaker 3: hopefully his ACL is like others. I mean, I would
Speaker 3: love for Michael Irvin to talk with demarve on Overshown
Speaker 3: and tell him, tell him this is what happened. Early
Speaker 3: in my career. I suffered an ACL injury and then
Speaker 3: I came back, and yes, you can have a Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame career, that Hall of Fame career, even when
Speaker 3: you suffer an injury like that.
Speaker 7: I happen to be there for obviously for some of
Speaker 7: that with Mike Lovin and man, I just remember coming
Speaker 7: in the off season and he would just be sitting in.
Speaker 5: The whirlpool just looking sad.
Speaker 7: And I remember we talked one time because I thought
Speaker 7: he was how Mike is, He's so emotional and so
Speaker 7: when you talk at that time, he was really down. God,
Speaker 7: that hurt him so much. And I remember in the
Speaker 7: off season one time. We just sat down and talked.
Speaker 7: He wasn't in the whirlpool. He was in a sauna.
Speaker 7: We talked for a little while and I don't know,
Speaker 7: I just you know, told him to hang in there.
Speaker 7: No big deal, but you know, just I just remember
Speaker 7: that moment. But soon after that he was on his way.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you know what, I have this vision
Speaker 4: of him. So I was living in Carrollton at that time.
Speaker 4: He was too, And I'm coming down Trinity Mills one
Speaker 4: morning heading here, and all of a sudden, in the
Speaker 4: median of the road, there's this big black man on
Speaker 4: a big, tall bicycle and it's Michael Irvin. He's biking
Speaker 4: to the ranch, right, and I'm going look at this site,
Speaker 4: and he's, Yo.
Speaker 3: You need to talk to right.
Speaker 2: That's right, and get him a bike.
Speaker 3: Okay, he can. He can ride the bike to have
Speaker 3: his injury.
Speaker 4: So the other injury they suffered in the game, Uh, well,
Speaker 4: let's well, let's.
Speaker 3: Go the Matt Willis.
Speaker 2: Matt, let's go.
Speaker 4: The offensive tackle. Uh suffered a shoulder sublexation. You know,
Speaker 4: that's what he had on the left side last year
Speaker 4: that eventually needed surgery.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Since this is a sublexation, meaning it goes back in
Speaker 4: after it dislocates.
Speaker 2: Uh, we'll see the severity of it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, when they lost him and then red Wine,
Speaker 4: I mean he's a veteran guy, right, I think.
Speaker 3: The shed fourth fourth year Miami.
Speaker 4: Had a hamstring and he had to leave the game. So, uh,
Speaker 4: I knew when I did it my column on Friday,
Speaker 4: I wrote that this was a near perfect training camp.
Speaker 3: Well why did you do it? Then?
Speaker 4: I know, but I but I put a disclaimer in
Speaker 4: there and said, you know, I have said, you know,
Speaker 4: they didn't suffer any injury.
Speaker 2: That's you know, season ending or the guy has to
Speaker 2: start off that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, next day blame blame mix shots. But I
Speaker 4: I put a disclaimer of the paragraph after and said, no,
Speaker 4: now this doesn't mean, you know, knock on wood. I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to jinx anything. And I'll be darn it
Speaker 4: was what the first quarter when he got hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for for overshown, it was the seventh defensive play.
Speaker 3: He made three tackles, three tackles the first seven snaps
Speaker 3: of the game and he was done.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so that that's that was the injury update that
Speaker 4: we know of in that game.
Speaker 7: So please tell me. My concerns are they're very heavy
Speaker 7: on me. Uh, I'm worried about the kicking game.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: Please do We'll talk.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take them break, We'll talk about the kicking game.
Speaker 3: And there's much more to get to as far as
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Speaker 3: the regular season opener, which is now less than three
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Speaker 3: the Oh High week they stand, but it's the traditional
Speaker 3: final preseason game. That's where Michael loves to join us
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Speaker 3: talk so much about they playing in that game. We're
Speaker 3: talking about the guys that are on the sideline and
Speaker 3: the rest of the league.
Speaker 4: And there were twenty six guys who did not play
Speaker 4: in that game on Saturday night in Seattle, sort of
Speaker 4: the same number they had the previous week. And so
Speaker 4: what you saw in that game was a bunch of
Speaker 4: second team thirt team guys, second team guys on that
Speaker 4: offensive line that are trying to make this team because
Speaker 4: they need some backup offensive linemen.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of first teamers on that other
Speaker 3: side the first half of that gaming, right seeah.
Speaker 2: And they played pretty well against the.
Speaker 3: They had an offense. The most impressive thing I think
Speaker 3: about the offense was the eighty yards seventeen drive against
Speaker 3: what was it was probably two thirds of the defense
Speaker 3: were first teamers out there for Seattle at that point
Speaker 3: in the game, and.
Speaker 7: So they were able to work on strategy, you know,
Speaker 7: the third down situation and the pretty good yeah they
Speaker 7: made like three or four yeah that drive.
Speaker 3: I think I had a fourth down conversion and maybe
Speaker 3: three third down conversions in the pass out to Rico
Speaker 3: Dabble and take what the defense gives you. And as
Speaker 3: we said on the telecast, that's there's your Texas Coast offense,
Speaker 3: you know, And.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things.
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see more of the little
Speaker 4: swing passes to the running backs and just use the
Speaker 4: talent you have if you're if you don't have somebody
Speaker 4: that's going to bang in the middle all the time,
Speaker 4: don't hit your head against the wall. Try and just
Speaker 4: figure out what your talent is and use it. As
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush said after the game, he goes, when I
Speaker 4: was asking him about the drive, and he goes, well,
Speaker 4: the good thing was as we were third and manageable.
Speaker 5: Most That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it wasn't like your third and seven, third
Speaker 4: and eight, because at that point, you know, there might
Speaker 4: be some guys on that off second offensive line that
Speaker 4: are capable of getting on the fifty three as a backup,
Speaker 4: but when they play, they're not playing with four other backups, right,
Speaker 4: and so their past protection wasn't all that great, but
Speaker 4: they figured out how to kind of play call around
Speaker 4: their limitations. Yeah, that was an impressive an impressive drive,
Speaker 4: especially for Cooper Rush to have that opportunity to show hey,
Speaker 4: I'm still the second guy.
Speaker 5: How about little Deuce, how's he doing?
Speaker 2: He's living the life right now. You know, he's amazing.
Speaker 4: And the things I noticed, and you know you're a defender,
Speaker 4: but he sees things so well, like the touchdown he
Speaker 4: saw and he's patient. Right the hole opened, he gets
Speaker 4: in the hole, puts his foot in the ground and
Speaker 4: made number thirty two. I think it was read just
Speaker 4: look foolish because he kind of olaid him right with
Speaker 4: one arm trying to tackle him.
Speaker 2: And he can change directions.
Speaker 7: On it because his feet is so quick on a dime,
Speaker 7: when you keep your feet on the ground, then you're
Speaker 7: able to do that. And that's that's just how he runs.
Speaker 7: But he can also run like that at full speed. Right,
Speaker 7: That's what's scary about it as a as a defender.
Speaker 7: You know, when you say, have those feet on the ground,
Speaker 7: they can change direction much quicker than you can.
Speaker 5: Right, and his maneuverability, of course.
Speaker 7: With him being shorter than you, that has an advantages.
Speaker 2: And he is the WA's crazy.
Speaker 7: I looked at my wife and I said, he's one
Speaker 7: inch taller than you.
Speaker 5: Let's just think about that.
Speaker 2: And he's one inch shorter than me.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: And yet he's a powerful He's got a powerful lower body,
Speaker 3: and I mean you look at his legs and you
Speaker 3: know they're not Robert Newhouse big, but they you know,
Speaker 3: you can see, Yeah, he can run between the tackles,
Speaker 3: you know, in certain situations, and he made a living
Speaker 3: doing that in college at Kansas State.
Speaker 5: He's going to have to. Someone's gonna have to.
Speaker 3: And you can just see that that he's gonna he's
Speaker 3: gonna make an impact on offense his rookie season. You know,
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer was in San Diego when Darren Sprolls came
Speaker 3: into the league, and he was talking during training camp that,
Speaker 3: you know, we had a plan for Darren when he
Speaker 3: came out. And I saw that, you know, and we
Speaker 3: can use some of that stuff. But I went and
Speaker 3: looked up what Darren Sprolls did his rookie year and
Speaker 3: what two thousand and five with the Chargers. Well, he
Speaker 3: didn't do it, hardly anything on offense. He it was
Speaker 3: later in his career. Uh, he had I think he
Speaker 3: had three carries and maybe two catches his rookie year
Speaker 3: and in San Diego, of course, they had lt carry
Speaker 3: the bulk of the load there and then he was
Speaker 3: hurt his second year, as Sparles was, but he got
Speaker 3: incorporated more and more in the offense as they went along.
Speaker 3: I think Deuce is going to be more involved offensively.
Speaker 3: They'll have packages for him right off the bat his
Speaker 3: rookie season. And the league has evolved a little bit
Speaker 3: in that way in the last eighteen years since Sparls
Speaker 3: came into the league.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't like in college at k State, he
Speaker 4: was a gimmick, you know, he was the running back
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 2: He scored forty three touchdown He.
Speaker 3: Had better stats than be Jean Robinson in this draft
Speaker 3: if you look at Power five running backs coming into
Speaker 3: this draft and statistically what they did in college. And
Speaker 3: he was there for three years, just like Robinson was,
Speaker 3: and they were neck and neck as far as their
Speaker 3: production in college.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think we're past the gimmick, you know,
Speaker 4: past the while his dad's the scout, he's shown I
Speaker 4: think he's a football.
Speaker 3: Player and other teams are going to be sitting there
Speaker 3: going how did he slide to the sixth round?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 3: What did they know about him that we didn't know? Well,
Speaker 3: they had his dad and on those lines. It's his
Speaker 3: makeup that puts him ahead of the game. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's he's so smart. You can tell he's been around
Speaker 3: football his whole life, professional football in the family. And
Speaker 3: you know, he comes in here and he's just like
Speaker 3: one of the veteran guys walking in the room.
Speaker 4: And he's not using his size or anything to like
Speaker 4: make excuses. When they interviewed him after the game, the
Speaker 4: first thing he said, well, you know about the touchdown,
Speaker 4: he goes my offensive line and that's what he does
Speaker 4: my offensive line.
Speaker 2: You know, the offense helped me do this, but it's
Speaker 2: not me.
Speaker 7: When you're that size, then it's pretty obvious that you
Speaker 7: need some assistance.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a humility and when you look at I
Speaker 10: think I always think of Joe Watson him when I
Speaker 10: see a player like Deuce, because Joe was able to
Speaker 10: especially when he got with the Redskins, he was able
Speaker 10: to hide behind some of the biggest offensive linemen you've
Speaker 10: ever seen.
Speaker 5: That was his goal. That was his skill. It wasn't
Speaker 5: that he stumbled into that.
Speaker 7: That's what guys his size they used that to their advantage.
Speaker 7: They go from blocker to blocker and they conceal themselves
Speaker 7: until it's time for him to make them bursts.
Speaker 4: And he had a lot of speed, by the way
Speaker 4: watching him in college.
Speaker 3: But Deuce has a maturity about him that allows him
Speaker 3: to write off the bat in this league make an impact.
Speaker 3: By the way, Joe Washington, how tall is he listed?
Speaker 3: What was his high Maybe he's they list him five
Speaker 3: to nine, so heast four inches taller than that's and
Speaker 3: he was a by the way, Joe Washington was the
Speaker 3: fourth pick in the draft in nineteen seventy six of
Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers, really nineteen seventy six before he
Speaker 3: went to Baltimore, and then.
Speaker 5: He must have gone directly to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: It was two years in San Diego and then Baltimore.
Speaker 4: San Diego after he scored that senior year phantom touchdown
Speaker 4: against Missouri to win the game.
Speaker 2: Never did get in the end zone.
Speaker 3: By that's because he's so fast.
Speaker 2: He was so fast they couldn't tell it was out
Speaker 2: before that.
Speaker 4: That that's why I threw it.
Speaker 3: Okay, we had a tease coming into this segment from
Speaker 3: Everson and Eversin is concerned about the kicking.
Speaker 2: Kids.
Speaker 3: You were you were concerned about the kicking situation before
Speaker 3: we went to so True and that was before Brandon
Speaker 3: Aubrey was even signed to the team. And you're still concerned.
Speaker 3: Have been watching the software engineer?
Speaker 5: I watched, I watched.
Speaker 2: He's talented, he is, and you know what, they like him.
Speaker 5: So what took so long for us to find it?
Speaker 3: Fell?
Speaker 4: And they went to the championship game, so it took
Speaker 4: they were they already found him. They were just sitting
Speaker 4: on them when they kept talking about all those.
Speaker 7: Other guys that we had kicking out there embarrassing themselves.
Speaker 4: There was only one guy out there, Tristan, that was it?
Speaker 5: What about the guy?
Speaker 7: No, it was an old guy in practice who missed
Speaker 7: like four kicks.
Speaker 5: No, come on, that was a guy in training camp
Speaker 5: that missed like that?
Speaker 2: Was that was Visuyana. Oh that's bad, that's why he
Speaker 2: got cut. Yeah, and then when.
Speaker 3: He hits he get too too many into the broadcast
Speaker 3: booth that was located ten yards to the left of
Speaker 3: the gold person and the practice that.
Speaker 5: We once guys that protection.
Speaker 2: Well you remember last year Campo.
Speaker 3: Got hit by I came close to getting hit.
Speaker 4: Once they cut Fris Guyano. This kid never missed more
Speaker 4: than one or two kicks. During a serial he's in
Speaker 4: any of the practices in including the games.
Speaker 2: He would miss one one one.
Speaker 4: I think I saw it ended up forty three of
Speaker 4: forty nine on all kicks.
Speaker 11: What was that kicker from last year's And he's gonna
Speaker 11: be the kicker because I think the other guy got
Speaker 11: hurt fry they let him go, whether.
Speaker 2: They at least injured. Yeah, And I just saw he's
Speaker 2: doing well.
Speaker 5: Is he doing well?
Speaker 3: I haven't paid attention, but he is.
Speaker 4: I saw make one on I was watching the game
Speaker 4: and he made an extra point or whatever. Progress this kid,
Speaker 4: This kid has talent.
Speaker 5: I did work for us Man, you know, he's my favorite.
Speaker 4: This kid has talent, and he's got the right composure.
Speaker 4: Now it's a matter of he just has to keep
Speaker 4: being consistent.
Speaker 3: He's booming balls through the end zone.
Speaker 4: On kickoffs before the game against Seattle in warm ups
Speaker 4: and it was snap hold kick he hit from fifty
Speaker 4: one and fifty five. So he's got the leg. He's
Speaker 4: had touchbacks on almost every kickoff. I think did he
Speaker 4: coick that one short on purpose? There was one return
Speaker 4: in the game, wasn't there. I remember late in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say he did it on purpose. We
Speaker 3: didn't take a look at these guys.
Speaker 5: So my thing is he just finished with the USFL, yes.
Speaker 3: Years, two years of the Birmingham Stallions. He was a
Speaker 3: soccer player at plain O High School. At last time
Speaker 3: that he played football before his time with the in
Speaker 3: the USFL with the Birmingham Stallions the last two years.
Speaker 3: The last time he had played football was as an
Speaker 3: eighth grader at Shimmel Finig Middle played.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, and I think he was like
Speaker 2: a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was a wide receiver and they don't usually kick.
Speaker 5: So he is talented, yes, and he was afraid of.
Speaker 3: The first round pick, first round pick in the MLS
Speaker 3: draft the Toronto Wow really, oh yeah, impressed to another
Speaker 3: first rounder on this Cowboys roster.
Speaker 7: So now his last game for the USFL when was
Speaker 7: that Birmingham?
Speaker 3: It was in their championship, which was what end of
Speaker 3: June versus July whenever that was.
Speaker 4: And then they had to wait a period to be
Speaker 4: able to sign somebody from the USA.
Speaker 5: Do kickers get leg fatigue?
Speaker 4: He only hit He hit fourteen or fifteen field goals
Speaker 4: during the USFL season, so it wasn't like he old
Speaker 4: kicked and on kickoffs, if you think about it, in
Speaker 4: the USFL, they wouldn't let him kick. You got penalized
Speaker 4: if you kicked off past the twenty yard line.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he didn't have to do that either.
Speaker 3: So he's perfected the high on side, the deep on
Speaker 3: side kick that it's going to be a part of
Speaker 3: this NFL game. Now, that's right with the fair catch rule.
Speaker 4: So and he's he's got the right nature right, and
Speaker 4: he's been schooled in his last year at Birmingham by
Speaker 4: Chris Bonile, who was the special time coach there, and
Speaker 4: so he was able to So.
Speaker 3: We should have pieced this all together even back. Therefore, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there watching I watched the USFL championship game
Speaker 3: because I'm so proud of the product that Daryl Johnston
Speaker 3: has put together. And I watched the game too. I'm
Speaker 3: saying that somewhat facetiously, but there is a glimmer of
Speaker 3: truth in this that I'm thinking of DJ as I'm
Speaker 3: as I'm watching that game, like, man, he's really done
Speaker 3: a great job with this league. But I was also saying,
Speaker 3: cowboys that need to be looking for kickers in this game.
Speaker 3: And sure, enough they were.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, Fossil was on to him
Speaker 4: during the middle of the season. I was going to
Speaker 4: ask he didn't just come, He actually went and watched
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: Well, he had worked out here with a once he
Speaker 3: figured out his wife convinced him to give football a shot.
Speaker 3: As they're sitting on their couch in Collieville, he was
Speaker 3: a software engineer and his wife they were watching an
Speaker 3: NFL Sunday and she said to him, you can kick
Speaker 3: better than these guys. And that's what planted the seed
Speaker 3: for him to go pursue this career as an NFL kicker.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, I think Dak actually watched
Speaker 3: him kick out here in Frisco.
Speaker 4: And he started working with John Carney. John Carney's on
Speaker 4: the West Coast and does kicking camps. And because John Carney,
Speaker 4: how about this. John Carney was at Notre Dame when
Speaker 4: Skip Holtz was a freshman. He was the head coach
Speaker 4: at Birmingham, so he recommended him to skip in the
Speaker 4: USFL because they only get forty five guys and they
Speaker 4: didn't have the opportunity. As Aubrey was explained to me,
Speaker 4: to have like a kicking contest. It was like, you
Speaker 4: only had one spot for a kicker because we need
Speaker 4: other players.
Speaker 2: And so that's how he got the job. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like a tryout.
Speaker 4: And so when he was in the competition with Viscuyano,
Speaker 4: that was the first time he was in any kind
Speaker 4: of kicking competition.
Speaker 3: So do you feel better about the kicking situation now?
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, I guess until until you guys until Saturday
Speaker 11: to remember how we love you guy last my guy
Speaker 11: last year, and then all of a sudden he goes crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, but for the regular season, he made ninety Mayer
Speaker 4: made ninety percent. Right, So when when the Cowboys signed him,
Speaker 4: I saw it and I'm going, okay, you got just
Speaker 4: another guy, right. I get a text message from Chris
Speaker 4: Bonill you just signed my guy just like that. I
Speaker 4: didn't realize that he was there. Uh, And so when
Speaker 4: I talked to Chris about it, I said, now the
Speaker 4: hard thing for the Cowboys, they're spoiled. The kicker made
Speaker 4: ninety percent of his field goals, you know before the
Speaker 4: thing in the playoffs, right and from distance? And I said,
Speaker 4: where do you find that? And Bonio goes, my guy
Speaker 4: made ninety two percent.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Just a review. Maher during the regular season last year
Speaker 3: was twenty nine out of thirty two, ninety one percent
Speaker 3: extra points. Who's fifty for fifty three? We just were
Speaker 3: in Seattle and they've had the Pro Bowl kicker Jason Myers,
Speaker 3: and he was thirty four out of thirty seven last year.
Speaker 3: He just missed three also last year, So Maher was
Speaker 3: that close it was. The problem was once he got
Speaker 3: to the clutch situation, all of a sudden, it was
Speaker 3: those yips that happened. Wow, extra points.
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 4: If the Cowboys don't qualify for the playoffs, this guy
Speaker 4: signing a three year deal for nine million dollars, I
Speaker 4: guarantee you if it just go off the regular season.
Speaker 3: All right, we continue with more mix shots in just
Speaker 3: a moment.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
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Speaker 5: I'm not professional, but that didn't sound.
Speaker 3: To concerns coming out of Saturday Night in Seattle.
Speaker 2: I think one of the most un.
Speaker 4: Qualified concerns right because my concern is backups on the
Speaker 4: offensive line. They've got to find three guys that can
Speaker 4: back up at center, guard, and offensive tackle. Now we'll
Speaker 4: see where we'll let's go is with his shoulder, But
Speaker 4: they like awesome Richards as a tackle.
Speaker 2: They've played him at both spots. Built in the game,
Speaker 2: he ended up I think in the fourth quarter playing guard.
Speaker 2: You know, he's a fifth round pick.
Speaker 4: When you looked at who they had on the offensive line,
Speaker 4: he had played the most football of any of them
Speaker 4: last year at North Carolina because the rest of the
Speaker 4: guys were either on the Cowboys practice squad or they
Speaker 4: were on injured reserve, or like Josh Ball, he played
Speaker 4: forty one snaps. Well, he's already played more snaps in
Speaker 4: two preseason games than he did all last year. So
Speaker 4: they got to figure out what they're going to do
Speaker 4: at the backup center, and I think Forniac has played
Speaker 4: the best there. Now they've got to figure out who's
Speaker 4: the backup guard. They tried this brock Hoffman. He had
Speaker 4: started at center. He didn't do very well there. They
Speaker 4: moved him to go guard. I thought he struggled at
Speaker 4: guard uh in the game. So Tuma a Doga has
Speaker 4: been hurt, hurt almost the all preseason, and I thought
Speaker 4: he was struggling before he got hurt.
Speaker 3: You know who's lining up against and he's playing left tackle,
Speaker 3: like number eleven.
Speaker 5: All I've seen is Number eleven just breaking stuff up.
Speaker 5: He has, that's all I've seen.
Speaker 4: Has rude more practices because they can't block him, and
Speaker 4: you got to sit there and try to qualify. Is
Speaker 4: it because of the guy's lack of talent or Parsons
Speaker 4: because he's doing that to everybody else in the league.
Speaker 4: So we'll see when he gets back. But I just
Speaker 4: think he's a guard. I don't think he's a tackle.
Speaker 5: So you can't go on with Michael Parsons is doing
Speaker 5: to him.
Speaker 4: No, he does, yeah, but at guard, I don't know
Speaker 4: that he was all that. I mean, he was never
Speaker 4: a full time starter in the league. I think he
Speaker 4: started one year. So that's my concern. The depth on
Speaker 4: the offensive line. Now, here's the deal. If something happens
Speaker 4: to a tackle Tyler Smith long term is your backup tackle, right,
Speaker 4: you move him out. But you got to find a
Speaker 4: guy worthy of starting at Garth. And I think that's
Speaker 4: what they need to work on here in the next
Speaker 4: couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Okay, we have two minutes left here. I want to
Speaker 3: get your take. Very quickly on Will Greer coming out
Speaker 3: of that game.
Speaker 4: He was one pass away I think from convincing this
Speaker 4: team that he needs to be on the fifty three
Speaker 4: man roster.
Speaker 2: I thought that's what he was playing for.
Speaker 3: And that pass was the interception at the goal line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was laid on it.
Speaker 4: I thought I didn't get a chance to go back
Speaker 4: and look at the route to see if the wide
Speaker 4: receiver sold him out or not. But he should have
Speaker 4: never thrown it. I don't think that. But I thought
Speaker 4: the way he performed with what he had to work
Speaker 4: with was pretty darn good.
Speaker 3: I think I think his fans sometimes we see the interception.
Speaker 3: I know I did this. I saw the interception, and
Speaker 3: I forgot about the drive to start the second half
Speaker 3: where it was boom boom, boom boom all the way
Speaker 3: down the field and then hand off to Douce and
Speaker 3: he scores a touchdown.
Speaker 4: And remember this guy, he was hurt last year in
Speaker 4: training camp and the last time he would have played
Speaker 4: in a game other than the one the previous week
Speaker 4: was last year in pre season.
Speaker 3: Here's another thing that if you're you make your decision
Speaker 3: on career, whether if you're going to try to expose
Speaker 3: him and get him to the practice squad. You now
Speaker 3: have two teams out there that have previous experience with him.
Speaker 3: One of those is the Chargers. We're Kellen Moore and
Speaker 3: Doug nas Meyer are now, and they look at their
Speaker 3: backup situation, Easton sticks their back up to Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3: And then remember that Will Greer was the third round
Speaker 3: pick of the Carolina Panthers when Ron Rivera was the
Speaker 3: head coach, and so Washington, which is in need of quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: they could pick him up.
Speaker 7: See, and will Grim must have a rabbit in his
Speaker 7: foot because we are really pulling for him. We have
Speaker 7: been pulling for this guy, yeah, for about three years now.
Speaker 3: So and the other thing is, well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 3: It's you're pulling for a third quarterback. Okay, because of
Speaker 3: the new rules you can allow, you can suit up
Speaker 3: a game exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: This is what I've been talking about this for three years.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't.
Speaker 4: The good thing is now, if you're trying to get
Speaker 4: him on the practice squad, he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have to go through waivers.
Speaker 4: This is his fifth year, so you could tell him, hey,
Speaker 4: even if we put you on the practice squad, we'll pay.
Speaker 3: You this so people a team can't claim him, but
Speaker 3: they can sign him, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly a lot.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of work for a guy that's barely
Speaker 7: making the practice fit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, a lot of work.
Speaker 3: And I'm and you look at his age too, and
Speaker 3: he I thought I had it written down twenty eight.
Speaker 3: He turned twenty eight on April third.
Speaker 5: That's a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you've got teams all across the league that are
Speaker 3: going to be trying to get quarterbacks to their practice squad.
Speaker 3: And if there's one you like out there, you know,
Speaker 3: you keep you can even keep him on the fifty
Speaker 3: three and then see what's out there and then make
Speaker 3: your decison.
Speaker 7: I'm going to stay optimistic, big, but we are really
Speaker 7: doing a lot of work for this guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the good thing is you're kind of solidified on
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm going to make sure and tag you
Speaker 7: with the good thing is because you said that about
Speaker 7: five times.
Speaker 2: The good thing is, the good thing is missed optimism.
Speaker 3: We come with you, you know what, you know what
Speaker 3: the good thing is, We're going to be back here.
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Speaker 12: be after Cowboys Night on Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: And so we will have the ruminations of Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 3: after watching this team and practice at the Star in
Speaker 3: Frisco on Tuesday night. And also Everson Walls will be
Speaker 3: along for the ride as well. And uh is the
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