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Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio

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Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. But my O B

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how many babies she has coming. Parents

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Speaker 1: have done more than just watch Netflix during this spect year.

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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib. I have

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Speaker 1: been wanting to do an episode on night nurses for

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Speaker 1: a long time. There are a lot of myths about it.

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Speaker 1: What the heck are they doing all night? What's a

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Speaker 1: night nurse? What's a postpartum duela? What's a newborn care specialist?

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Speaker 1: What's a baby nurse? How are they different? How are

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Speaker 1: they the same? And I was like, I gotta get

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Speaker 1: Alexandra in here because she was my newborn care specialist

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Speaker 1: with Vera. She was here for fourteen nights of Vera's

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Speaker 1: first I guess we were home the third night of

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Speaker 1: her life, so the first seventeen days of her life

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Speaker 1: she was here at my house. Let me tell you

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Speaker 1: a little bit about alex Andrew Latin Argosino. She is

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Speaker 1: a newborn care specialist in a postpartum doulah. She has

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Speaker 1: several years of experience taking care of hundreds of newborns

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Speaker 1: as a babysitter, a summer oh pair and nanny, and

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Speaker 1: a nurse. She recently started a blog in a podcast

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Speaker 1: herself called Babies in Business, which is a source created

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Speaker 1: for other newborn care professionals to share information, education, inspiration

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Speaker 1: and motivation. She was born and raised in Europe, in

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands and graduated with a nursing decree, and from

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Speaker 1: setting routines with your baby to sleep training to being

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Speaker 1: there for you in the most vulnerable times in a

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Speaker 1: new mom's life, she is the one to call. So

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Speaker 1: welcome Alexandra Latin Argansino to Katie's Crib. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for in finding me as a guest on your

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Speaker 1: amazing podcast. It's an absolute pleasure to talk with you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to share a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about my work and tell me where you're from, so

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Speaker 1: everyone knows how this stunning accent came to be. I

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Speaker 1: was born and raised in the Netherlands, that little country

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Speaker 1: from the wooden shoes and cheese and wind meals. She came.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed one person and it was her to take

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Speaker 1: care and help me and my daughter. And she came

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Speaker 1: in and she's also beautiful. You were in your scrubs

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Speaker 1: and your accent behind a mask, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: can you please just take care of me and my

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Speaker 1: newborn baby, which I have not yet met. Okay, my

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Speaker 1: first question for you is do you call yourself a

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Speaker 1: night nurse? Is that what you say you are? No? See,

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Speaker 1: I'm already messing up. I would like to briefly touch

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Speaker 1: on the title night nurse. The title night nurse is

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Speaker 1: actually not the correct title. For many years we were

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Speaker 1: known as a night nurse or commonly known baby nurse,

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Speaker 1: but many in our industry are not a nurse, and

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Speaker 1: it is illegal to call yourself a nurse when you

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Speaker 1: don't have a nursing degree. So in two thousand seven,

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Speaker 1: in a National Nanny Association invented this title. Created this

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Speaker 1: title Newborn Care Specialists for those who are supporting parents,

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Speaker 1: specifically during the transition into parenthood, those first few weeks

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Speaker 1: or months after birth. So that brings me back to

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Speaker 1: your question. We are here to support, serve, guide, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, to educate parents in all aspects of newborn

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Speaker 1: care and help them become confident and well equipped with

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Speaker 1: plentiful of resources. Can you believe this? Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I hear you speak about what it

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Speaker 1: is you do, I'm like, come back, not for vera,

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Speaker 1: but for me. Okay, so you go by a night

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Speaker 1: it be known that not all newborn care specialists have

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Speaker 1: a nursing degree. Correct, And if that is something important

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Speaker 1: interviewing people who are going to help you take care

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Speaker 1: you ask about. Yes, So, okay, there's a night nurse,

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Speaker 1: baby nurse, newborn care specialist, postpartum doula. These all sort

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Speaker 1: of get confused. I think we can completely forget about

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Speaker 1: night nurse and baby nurse. It is bitter and also

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Speaker 1: more accurate when you refer to people in my industry

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Speaker 1: bottom dula. I refer to myself as a new moon

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Speaker 1: care specialist, and parents always get that extra medical background

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Speaker 1: as a bonus, just to you know, limit the confusion.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Now, how did you come to this

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Speaker 1: I spontaneously offered my help, and that joyful decision sparked

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Speaker 1: their newborns. And who doesn't love to hold a teeny

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Speaker 1: tiny baby? Right? How many babies have you cared for

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Speaker 1: my gosh. You know you came and worked with us

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Speaker 1: for two weeks, But I would say for the most part,

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Speaker 1: you you are with families for about three months would

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Speaker 1: needs and quite frankly, it's also a decision regarding your finances.

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Speaker 1: So every family you know makes a decision and shares

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Speaker 1: timeframe according that you know information, but anywhere between two

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Speaker 1: weeks and twelve weeks. Sometimes I have parents who want

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Speaker 1: the night, and then I stay sixteen weeks, but twelve

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Speaker 1: weeks is the average. If you are looking for a

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Speaker 1: newborn care specialists, a lot of people will interview via

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Speaker 1: And what I personally understand about supporting parents during this transition,

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Speaker 1: because you want to be sure as a new parent,

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Speaker 1: as oftentimes the first time parents, that your parenting philosophy

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Speaker 1: hiring to help. You know, guys who are listening. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a really vulnerable time. You're really in these first

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks understanding your baby's cues crying and how

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Speaker 1: much and how little they eat, or what kind of

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Speaker 1: Here's the good news about someone who's been around three

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Speaker 1: who knows a lot more than you do about this.

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Speaker 1: It's like you talked me off the ledge like it's

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Speaker 1: not a big deal this. I've seen this before. She's

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Speaker 1: probably allergic to something in your breast milk. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal. We're already under the

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Speaker 1: new thing. Let's be honest. It has to be an

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Speaker 1: energy exchange. You are in such a vulnerable and personal

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Speaker 1: creates that safe environment for you in your home. There's

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Speaker 1: a contract that comes along with a newborn care specialist.

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Speaker 1: So for example, in my case, you would show up

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Speaker 1: I just kept texting you like this is when I'm

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Speaker 1: like me there the first night you come home from

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Speaker 1: and things like that, most newborn care specialists, it's not

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Speaker 1: like it starts on this exact day. It's like you

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Speaker 1: Take me through what a typical and we can do

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Speaker 1: There's care dot com. Are there other resources that you recommend?

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Speaker 1: I always give the suggestion to check with your friends

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Speaker 1: like you name it, But I don't know if there

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Speaker 1: then we come up with a way either go to

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Speaker 1: We do have new bone care specialists or postponum doulas

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Speaker 1: you can sleep, that can be definitely an option. Right.

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Speaker 1: You know, it all depends on your goals and your finances,

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Speaker 1: but there are always you know options. This was so helpful.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any last tips for our listeners. If

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Speaker 1: as a postponum, do left do it? Postpontum support is

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Speaker 1: so important. The more lovingly a postpartum mom is careed for,

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Speaker 1: the more lovingly she's able to care for her baby.

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Speaker 1: And the more support both parents received, the better they

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Speaker 1: So if you have the option and the finances to

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Speaker 1: it will help you so much, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: transitioning to become a parent. I completely agree. I can't

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Speaker 1: thank you enough for giving us your time and your expertise,

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Speaker 1: and I just I'm so grateful that you were in

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Speaker 1: our lives, in our household, and in our baby's room

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Speaker 1: for the nights that we were lucky enough to have you.

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Speaker 1: I was a joy to you work with you. I

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Speaker 1: really loved driving to Studio City and you know, having

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Speaker 1: the pretzels, having the pretzel, Oh my gosh, Adam had

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Speaker 1: husband's ridiculous. But we were so lucky to have you,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on Katie's Crib. And you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you. I think this subject

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Speaker 1: like postpartum care, a specialist, newborn care specialist like this

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Speaker 1: is something that I feel like no one's really understood

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Speaker 1: or talked about unless you've gone through it yourselves. And

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Speaker 1: we have so many people listening who are first time

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Speaker 1: hope this offered a bunch of information to you. Follow

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Speaker 1: Alexandra on Instagram. Where can we find you? So Alexandra

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Speaker 1: A L e X A N D R A and

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Speaker 1: then Latin l A T T E M. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for coming on Katie's Crib. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for having me. It was such a pleasure. Thank

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