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Speaker 1: What are we in Bristol? Indeed, we do some big

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Speaker 1: that's number one. Number two is there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories that have come out now recently about how Trump

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Speaker 1: when he was debating on whether to give these documents

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Speaker 1: back to the National Archives or not, fielded calls from

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Speaker 1: Tom Fitten. Now, you guys know John Fitten. He's often

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Speaker 1: on five. He's actually super jacked, which I respect. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Tom is he's often on Fox News. He's like judicial watch,

437
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Speaker 1: they're posting away the government. Yes, he does post quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of selfies. Listen, if I had arms like that,

439
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Speaker 1: I'd probably do the same thing. So what Tom does

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Speaker 1: is he called President Trump and he's like, no, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't give these documents back. He's like, you actually have

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Speaker 1: the authority in order to hang on to these documents.

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Speaker 1: So I actually think that that will have very likely

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Speaker 1: play a part in this he's not a lawyer though, right, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think this runs a legal organization. I

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Speaker 1: don't know he runs a legal he runs what's it

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Speaker 1: called Judicial Watch, the right wing sort of like activists organization.

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe he's actually a lawyer. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that comes out of these analyzes of how

450
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Speaker 1: this all went down is basically Trump decided he wanted

451
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Speaker 1: to keep these documents, and then he fished around for

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Speaker 1: someone to tell him what he wanted to hear. Typical

453
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Speaker 1: Trumpian fashion, he kept sorting through aids until he got

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Speaker 1: the answer that he wanted to get, which is, actually,

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Speaker 1: these documents are yours and you could just keep them

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Speaker 1: and you know, tell them no when they come calling.

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Speaker 1: And there's in fact, so before we we would get

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Speaker 1: to a little bit of the timeline that kind of

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Speaker 1: lays this out. But this is kind of funny, just

460
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Speaker 1: showing you how much how extensive the redactions were. Here,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put the sweet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: The Justice Department's reasons for keeping large portions of it's

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Speaker 1: mar alago or an application sealed, are themselves sealed. So

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Speaker 1: if you do go and I did go and read

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Speaker 1: through this affidavit. You'll be reading through things that you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I knew about that. I knew about that. I knew

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Speaker 1: about that, which is interesting because it's sort of being

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Speaker 1: confirmed in terms of at least the government's side of

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Speaker 1: the case. And then you'll start to get to something

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Speaker 1: that you think is going to be interesting one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent backdown. So they're like, I said, not a whole

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Speaker 1: lot new here, but let's go and put the New

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Speaker 1: York Times timeline up on the screen because this kind

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Speaker 1: of gets to what I was saying about how he

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Speaker 1: was clearly just like sorting through his aids and advisors

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Speaker 1: until he found someone who would tell him what he

477
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear. So the talks began between the National

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Speaker 1: Archives and Trump way back in late twenty twenty, so

479
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Speaker 1: while he was still in office, and the impression given

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Speaker 1: is that you know, they reached out to Mark Meadows,

481
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Speaker 1: and Meadows is like, sure, I'll handle it, and then

482
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Speaker 1: probably did nothing right because they were so obsessed at

483
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Speaker 1: that point was stop the steal, and that was what

484
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Speaker 1: they were focused on, and they didn't think they were

485
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Speaker 1: going to leave office, So that kind of goes nowhere.

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Speaker 1: In January of course, the move Tomorrow Lago begins, and

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Speaker 1: then it's May, so a few months later that the

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Speaker 1: Archives alerts Trump's team like, hey, y'all, we're really missing

489
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Speaker 1: some stuff here. And apparently one of the pieces that

490
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Speaker 1: was really a clue to the National Archives that they

491
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Speaker 1: were missing some significant documents was the missing Kim Jong

492
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Speaker 1: un letters, which now has been widely report Trump. Trump

493
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Speaker 1: loves these things. He displays them to people. He's very

494
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Speaker 1: proud of them. He feels like, I mean to be

495
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Speaker 1: it's kind of embarrassing, but he feels like they're real memento,

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Speaker 1: that they belong to him. So after May, when the

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Speaker 1: Archives are like, you got to give these things back,

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Speaker 1: even that summer, Trump is like showing off these letters

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Speaker 1: to visitors tomorrow a Lago. Then you get into late

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and that's when the Archives officials really

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Speaker 1: start to warn of consequences and issuing these sort of

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Speaker 1: more sternly worded warnings, and they in January are able

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Speaker 1: to recover some of the sens material from mar A Lago.

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Speaker 1: Then they start publicly criticizing Trump's destruction of documents and

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Speaker 1: handling of documents, and then in February that's when they

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Speaker 1: refer the matter to the Justice Department, and that's when

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Speaker 1: sort of the legal questions really start to tick up.

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Speaker 1: But you can see and they're telling here of how

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Speaker 1: Trump was handling this at the beginning. He's kind of cooperating.

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Speaker 1: He sends some stuff back. He actually tells them I

511
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Speaker 1: will send you the Kim letters, and then there's a

512
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Speaker 1: back and forth with his aids about how to do that,

513
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Speaker 1: and I guess they didn't like the answer they got

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Speaker 1: from the National Archives about how specifically to get the

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Speaker 1: documents back to DC, and so they just don't do it.

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Speaker 1: And it's about at this point where he starts to

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Speaker 1: find advisors who are willing to tell him like, no,

518
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Speaker 1: you don't have to do any of this, and then

519
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Speaker 1: he digs in his ends up where we are today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, as I said, never underestimate how dumb

521
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Speaker 1: things can get. It seems that he has some deep

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Speaker 1: emotional attachment to whatever documents are here. We'll see exactly

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Speaker 1: what they are. Yeah, that quite a bit of money

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Speaker 1: that they have something to do with Russia Gate, and

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Speaker 1: calling Tom Fitton and others to confirm about why he

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Speaker 1: needed to hang on to them. You know for his

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Speaker 1: own legal jeopardy, though having direct evidence of basically saying no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give it back could cause some

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Speaker 1: serious issues for him in the future. Well, there's a

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Speaker 1: couple other things I want to say about this, which

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Speaker 1: is number one. I mean, they really have heart had

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Speaker 1: a hard time coming up with a legal theory that

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Speaker 1: makes sense and sort of covers their ass with all

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Speaker 1: of this. The Trump team, Yeah, yeah, the Trump team

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Speaker 1: has because they seemed like they really wanted to rely

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Speaker 1: on this idea of like, well, the president can declassify

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and there was a

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Speaker 1: standing order and you know, we just they automatically were declassified.

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Speaker 1: And this was what cash Pttel was saying, and that

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Speaker 1: was or sort of what they were leaning into. And

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Speaker 1: as part of this affidavit, they included a letter from

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Speaker 1: the Trump team basically laying out that case of like, ah,

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Speaker 1: he could have all of this because he had blanket

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Speaker 1: to classified it. But when we saw the search warrant

545
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Speaker 1: and learned that the laws at the criminal statutes that

546
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Speaker 1: they were using to investigate him don't necessarily depend on

547
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: those documents being classified, well, that kind of, you know,

548
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: turned their whole legal strategy upside down, and they've really

549
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: struggled to land on anything else that sort of covers

550
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Speaker 1: them and really is a rationale for why he kept

551
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Speaker 1: these documents, brought them to mar A Lago, and then

552
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Speaker 1: continue to hold on to them after the government made

553
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Speaker 1: it very very clear that they needed to come back.

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Speaker 1: There's also reporting Trump himself was the one that was

555
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Speaker 1: sorting through the documents, so again that goes to like

556
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: you knew what was there, and you intentionally held it back.

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Speaker 1: So that's number one. I mean, it really seems like

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Speaker 1: they're they're relying not so much on a legal theory

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Speaker 1: that could be exculolatory here, more on a political approach

560
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Speaker 1: of essentially threatening, hey, if you do this, Lindsay Graham

561
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Speaker 1: said over the weekend, there's gonna be riots in the streets.

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Speaker 1: Trump sending that sort of like cryptic warning to the

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Speaker 1: doj of like, oh, the temperature is really hot, and

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Speaker 1: that being repeated on Fox News, et cetera. I really

565
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Speaker 1: think that's what they've decided their best bet is is

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Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, say to people, listen, there's

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Speaker 1: going to be basically a civil war in this country,

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Speaker 1: and there's going to be riots in the streets if

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Speaker 1: you go forward with this. So even though we don't

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Speaker 1: really have a legal leg to stand on, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: make this move. Yeah, I mean, look, it's not a

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Speaker 1: bad case. Certainly. It's not like political inference didn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of influence on the Justice Department, you know

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Speaker 1: before with Hillary, So it's not like it couldn't work.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. I honestly have no idea. I mean, the

576
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Speaker 1: thing is like Merrick Garland is not really a bomb thrower,

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Speaker 1: at least it's not as a reputation. Most of these

578
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Speaker 1: people work in the DOJ are you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: like conservative by nature. They tend to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of like Mitt Romney report Republican types. So I

581
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Speaker 1: think he thinks that by threatening this idea of like,

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Speaker 1: if you do this, it's going to create chaos. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to imagine that that is the

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Speaker 1: place where they are the most concerned and where they

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Speaker 1: have the greatest nervousness. So anyway, expect them to be

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Speaker 1: leaning into those kinds of arguments. And of course, immediately

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Speaker 1: after Lindsay Graham said that on TV, Trump was sharing

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Speaker 1: that as well, which also tells you like, that is

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Speaker 1: exactly what he wants to hear, and that's exactly the

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Speaker 1: case he wants to put out there in the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it all goes. All right, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about polling. So some interesting times for the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: on a macro level. We have to be honest, right,

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Speaker 1: things don't seem to be going as badly for them.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like the American people agree President Biden.

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Speaker 1: And this is for Gallup shows that he's got a

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Speaker 1: six percentage point bump up to forty four percent, his

599
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Speaker 1: highest approval rating in a year now. Still not great

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Speaker 1: underwater in terms of forty four percent, but not in

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Speaker 1: the thirty eighth percentile. And I think the reason actually

602
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: that this matters in the context of major politics is

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Speaker 1: that look for the president to not be above water

604
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: is not a good thing. But Donald Trump was also

605
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Speaker 1: never above fifty percent very often throughout his presidency. And

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Speaker 1: what was always noteworthy to me is that Biden was

607
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Speaker 1: actually less popular than Donald Trump when he was sitting

608
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Speaker 1: previously as his thirty eighth percentile. Now that he's at

609
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Speaker 1: forty four, that's actually right around where Trump was. And

610
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Speaker 1: obviously Trump nearly got re elected to the presidency, so

611
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Speaker 1: that puts him at least in some sort of contention

612
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Speaker 1: to at least possibly contest again the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: And more importantly, it kind of scrambles how things were

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Speaker 1: going to be with the midterms. As we've discussed, the

615
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Speaker 1: Dobbs decisions seems to have had a major impact, but

616
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Speaker 1: also gas prizes fell from five dollars a gallon and

617
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: just chucked this morning three eight fifty. Still not great,

618
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: still five to twenty a gallon in California, but it's

619
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Speaker 1: not six dollars a gallon as it used to be.

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Speaker 1: The trend is in the right direction. Not necessarily feel

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Speaker 1: better because of anything Biden is done, but it is

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Speaker 1: what it is, and that was the major, you know,

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Speaker 1: pressure point on the Biden administration. On top of he

624
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Speaker 1: does seem to have some intra party wins, having passed

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Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act. That was something that I don't know

626
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Speaker 1: if don't necessarily energize a base, but people can say, oh,

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Speaker 1: the president did something this, it's just a sense that

628
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Speaker 1: he's got some yohja, right, So he got the chips Act,

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Speaker 1: he got the Inflation Reduction Act. There does seem to

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Speaker 1: be things rolling in the correct direction. And let's put

631
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Speaker 1: this up there, which is that the direct quote. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is important. The improvement does put him

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Speaker 1: in better standing before the midterms than actually five predecessors

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Speaker 1: over the last forty years Reagan in eighty two, Clinton

635
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Speaker 1: in ninety four, George W. Bush and six Obama in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and Trump in twenty eighteen. Again, the reason

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Speaker 1: that that matters is we all remember how well the

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Speaker 1: Democrats did in twenty eighteen, how well the Republicans did

639
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: both in twenty ten. But also people forget the twenty

640
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Speaker 1: fourteen election. Clinton massive wash in ninety four and also

641
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Reagan in eighty two took a quote shallacking as w

642
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: did is two thousand and six as well. Now we

643
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: may not seem the same level of shillacking. We could

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Speaker 1: see a modest Republican gain in the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 1: And you know, right now things are like fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty as to whether they're even going to really win

647
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Speaker 1: the Senate at all. So if the Dems keep control

648
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Speaker 1: of the Senate, that would actually be a major win.

649
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Speaker 1: I think by the Biden administration, and then really what

650
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Speaker 1: it is is that the House districts and the swings,

651
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Speaker 1: how exactly that's going to play out. On top of

652
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Speaker 1: of course Biden heading into the general election. I mean previously,

653
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Speaker 1: when he was sitting at thirty eight percent and sometimes

654
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Speaker 1: even lower in some poles, Crystal, it was not inconceivable

655
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Speaker 1: that he would not be able to run again in

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Speaker 1: the presidency. Not that he wouldn't want, not that he

657
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Speaker 1: wouldn't still be probably the strongest Democratic candidate just given

658
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Speaker 1: you know, the bench that exactly exists at the elite level,

659
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Speaker 1: but it was inevitable that somebody was probably going to

660
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Speaker 1: primary him if he continued in Jimmy Carter level. Now,

661
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Speaker 1: you know, getting a little bit of a bump. It's

662
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Speaker 1: still obviously he could fall. It's not like he's got

663
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Speaker 1: the great managerial skills or whatever. But he's in a

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Speaker 1: better position, and I think that's undeniable. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's right. The CBS News Battleground Tracker, they still show

666
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Speaker 1: Republicans with an edge to win the House, but it's

667
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Speaker 1: much more narrow and there's a lot less margin for

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Speaker 1: error on the Republican side. And you know that's reflected

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Speaker 1: in the special elections that we've been tracking here. The

670
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Speaker 1: fact that in that New York special election in upstate

671
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Speaker 1: New York that Biden only won by a point and

672
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Speaker 1: a half, the Democrat was able to prevail against what

673
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Speaker 1: was considered to be quite a strong Republican contender and

674
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Speaker 1: really outperformed the polls by something like eight to ten

675
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Speaker 1: points based on the pole that you were looking at.

676
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Speaker 1: That was a really significant indicator of how much the

677
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Speaker 1: ground has shifted from if this was going to be

678
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Speaker 1: a massive red wave election, you would expect a contest

679
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Speaker 1: like that to not even be close. I mean, if

680
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Speaker 1: Republicans are going to take the House, which they are

681
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: still very much favored to do, they're going to have

682
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Speaker 1: to win seats like that, and so the fact that

683
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Speaker 1: they didn't was very very eyebrow racing. They also point

684
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Speaker 1: to a few other things that are interesting in this

685
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Speaker 1: CB News polls. So first of all, abortion obviously Row

686
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: versus Wade being overturned. That has completely changed the dynamics electorally,

687
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Speaker 1: where you know, people especially white college educated women who

688
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Speaker 1: had been there for Democrats in twenty eighteen, been there

689
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Speaker 1: for Democrats to defeat Trump in twenty twenty, They were

690
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: starting to back away. Well now they're basically back in,

691
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Speaker 1: maybe not at the same levels as twenty eighteen, but

692
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Speaker 1: much more solidly with Democrats than they were previously. And

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Speaker 1: in these sort of suburban swing districts that obviously matters

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Speaker 1: a lot. The other thing that they point to here

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Speaker 1: is Trump, the fact that he's back at the center

696
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Speaker 1: of the news, that his candidates are the ones who

697
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Speaker 1: prevailed in so many of these Republican primaries. You have

698
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Speaker 1: way more voters saying that Republican candidates are extreme than

699
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: saying that Democrat cacrodit candidates are extreme. So Trump coming

700
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Speaker 1: back in as this polarizing force has been really detrimental

701
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Speaker 1: to Republicans. People are much more likely to say they

702
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Speaker 1: are voting to oppose Trump than they are to say

703
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Speaker 1: that they're voting to oppose Biden. So Republicans really wanted

704
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Speaker 1: this to just be a referendum on Biden. You know,

705
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Speaker 1: McConnell's strategy from the beginning, which at the time was

706
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Speaker 1: a very smart strategy, is we're not going to put

707
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Speaker 1: on any policy platform of our own. We are just

708
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Speaker 1: going to focus on Biden is bad, inflation is high.

709
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Speaker 1: Kick out the Democrats now things kind of out of

710
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Speaker 1: their control. The dab's decision and Trump being back at

711
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: the center of the news have made it very difficult

712
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Speaker 1: to just have the midterms be a referendum. It is

713
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Speaker 1: now much more of a choice, and on that front,

714
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Speaker 1: Democrats have a much better shot than they did previously. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's put that abortion piece up because it's important to

716
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Speaker 1: give contact. Seventy seven percent them say abortion is quote

717
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Speaker 1: very important than describe any other issue in that way,

718
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Speaker 1: neck and neck with guns, and actually ahead of the

719
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Speaker 1: economy and inflation. So if that is top of mind,

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Speaker 1: then that is going to get people's out to the poll's.

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Speaker 1: So the next one up there, which is this is

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Speaker 1: per the generic ballot still shows the Republics at forty

723
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Speaker 1: seven percent and Democrats at forty five. Now, listen, you should,

724
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Speaker 1: of course always remember Republicans have been dramatically underestimated in

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Speaker 1: every poll so far. However, this would kind of ish

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Speaker 1: track with some of the special election results that we've seen,

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Speaker 1: so whether it's accurate or not, I have no idea.

728
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Speaker 1: In terms of the enthusiastic number, Republicans have a plus

729
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Speaker 1: seven spread. They used to though, have a plus twenty

730
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Speaker 1: five or a plus thirty. So really what it is

731
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Speaker 1: is you're seeing that number creep down. So I think

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Speaker 1: right now it's multifaceted. We don't really know where things stand,

733
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Speaker 1: and I would just say in general, it's complicated. You know,

734
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Speaker 1: it's going to be one of those things where Republicans

735
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Speaker 1: could win the House. It's not like that wouldn't be

736
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Speaker 1: a victory and they would effectively end any sort of

737
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Speaker 1: future legislative achievement by the Biden administration, but not having

738
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Speaker 1: the Senate would be very bad. You could also have

739
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: just a one seat gain by Republicans. It would still

740
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Speaker 1: be a win, but it wouldn't even be close to

741
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Speaker 1: where things are its actually reading today. Kevin McCarthy, if

742
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: they only have a slight majority who take the House,

743
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Speaker 1: he can be in some serious trouble for speakership. He

744
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Speaker 1: would be basically get you know, the Freedom Caucus would

745
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Speaker 1: smack them across the face and demand all kinds of

746
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Speaker 1: things from leadership, which they've done previously to John Bayner

747
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Speaker 1: and make his life miserable. Same with Paul Ryan, who

748
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Speaker 1: seemed that dynamic playout. So there's all kinds of interesting possibilities.

749
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Speaker 1: Even Mitch McConnell i mean, we don't know for sure

750
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Speaker 1: if he's actually going to get fully elected, especially if

751
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Speaker 1: there's a very slim majority, So we don't know yet,

752
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Speaker 1: but you know, where things stand, I would bet on

753
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Speaker 1: I mean, probably slight gain Republicans in the House Senate,

754
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Speaker 1: genuinely a toss up, like I have no idea, and

755
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money still yet to be spent,

756
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Speaker 1: both by the Democrats. But you know, republic it's not

757
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: like Republican billionaires are going to sit on their hands. No,

758
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Speaker 1: they're going to get spend in the month of October.

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Speaker 1: I think some massive, massive checks are coming, as the

760
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Speaker 1: RNC has said, they're out there pleading with their They're like,

761
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Speaker 1: we need some Senate money, folks, and we need it now.

762
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Speaker 1: Somebody's going to come through for that. Don't worry. They'll

763
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: have plenty of cash, and you know, ultimately it matters

764
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: to have money in these races. But I find that

765
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Speaker 1: more of an indication of both sort of like financial

766
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Speaker 1: mismanagement on the Republican side and also the way that

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Speaker 1: Democrats have caught up in terms of grassroots based enthusiasm.

768
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Speaker 1: When you compare the grassroots fundraising totals on the Democratic

769
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Speaker 1: side versus the Republican side. Another big issue that Republicans

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Speaker 1: are very excited to make a lot of hayover is

771
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Speaker 1: Biden's new student debt relief. But if but the pulling

772
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Speaker 1: indicates that may not be such a winning issue for

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Speaker 1: Republicans here. So the CBS News poll asked the question,

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Speaker 1: do you support or oppose Biden issuing some student debt relief?

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this next piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen, and they found that overall you have student

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Speaker 1: fifty four percent approving of the student debt relief moves

778
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Speaker 1: forty six percent disapproving. And what I found really notable

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Speaker 1: sober is if you dig into the cross tabs here,

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Speaker 1: not that this is a huge surprise, but there is

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Speaker 1: a massive generational split here. So voters under thirty seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent support the student debt relief. As you go up,

783
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Speaker 1: it progresses like gets less and less and less, and

784
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Speaker 1: then among the oldest age group sixty five plus support

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Speaker 1: is underwater forty three to fifty seven. But they also

786
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Speaker 1: found that now in this poll, we've been tracking the

787
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Speaker 1: way that young voters have been so disillusioned with Biden.

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Speaker 1: In this poll, now he has a positive approval rating

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Speaker 1: among those young voters, it's now fifty nine forty one.

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Speaker 1: That marks a significant shift, basically directly related to this

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Speaker 1: move on student debt relief. So you know, this is

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Speaker 1: a key constituency for Democrats. It's a constituency that doesn't

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Speaker 1: always turn out. So I think the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: feeling their lives directly materially benefited by the Biden administration

795
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Speaker 1: could also be very beneficial for the mass. It's actually

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Speaker 1: gonna be a good test will young people come out

797
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Speaker 1: to vote even when they are directly given something. I

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Speaker 1: will be very interested to see what those numbers show.

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Speaker 1: Let's got this up there on the screen as well

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Speaker 1: from the hail, same thing, basically showing a major support

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Speaker 1: a little bit more in this one. I think that

802
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Speaker 1: number seems to be about correct. So this one and

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Speaker 1: we have one more we can put up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So let me give you some of the details there

805
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Speaker 1: because this one's interesting too. So this was a morning

806
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Speaker 1: Consult Politico poll. The one before go ahead and put

807
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Speaker 1: the one before this backup that showed that sixty four

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Speaker 1: percent of respondent supported some form of student loan forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: This one, they asked the question like, Okay, do you

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Speaker 1: support forgiving for all Americans? Do you support some student

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Speaker 1: loan forgiveness? Do you support student loan forgiveness for low

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Speaker 1: income Americans? So it was a little bit complex, but

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Speaker 1: if you add up all of the people who say, yes,

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Speaker 1: I support some student loan forgiveness, it was sixty four percent.

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Speaker 1: What I found most interesting about this poll is eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of the participants in this poll actually had no

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Speaker 1: student loan debt, so you had a very high support number,

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Speaker 1: almost two thirds, even though eighty percent of the participants

819
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Speaker 1: in the poll were like, this isn't going to benefit me,

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Speaker 1: but I still support it. And then the last one here,

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Speaker 1: this was an Emerson poll which found very similar numbers

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Speaker 1: to the last one. They found that thirty six percent

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Speaker 1: of voters think this is too much, thirty percent say

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Speaker 1: it's too little, and thirty five percent think it's just

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Speaker 1: So if you put together those who were like, actually,

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Speaker 1: he should do a lot more and those who are

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Speaker 1: like this is perfect, you've got sixty five percent of

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Speaker 1: the population that again supports some student loan debt relief.

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Speaker 1: So he seems to be on pretty firm political ground

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Speaker 1: in terms of the actual position that he put out here,

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Speaker 1: and certainly with some key constituencies, not only young voters,

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Speaker 1: but also the racial group that was most supportive was

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Speaker 1: Black voters were overwhelmingly supportive of this move as well,

834
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Speaker 1: So two key constituencies for Democrats that they really have

835
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Speaker 1: to turn out for the midterm elections. My thing is,

836
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Speaker 1: we'll see child task credit was super popular. It didn't

837
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Speaker 1: really do anything in terms of poll numbers for the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: If anything, it's only whenever it went away that people

839
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: say that they wouldn't vote, but it didn't make people

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Speaker 1: affirmatively come out. Fifty four to forty six is a

841
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: little bit too close to fifty. I mean, this is

842
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Speaker 1: always remember Obamacare was like, well, if you take out

843
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Speaker 1: the word obamacare, people support Obamacare. It's like, yeah, well

844
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Speaker 1: it's still called Obamacare. So the political consequences of that

845
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Speaker 1: are going to be there in terms of Republican backlash

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Speaker 1: on that. I generally have no idea. In general, boomers,

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Speaker 1: you know, as we saw in the poll, much more

848
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty less likely, disproportionately most likely to vote.

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Speaker 1: Young voters. Will they come out to vote. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if there's generally I mean there's really not any good

851
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Speaker 1: test case. This is going to be a good one,

852
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Speaker 1: which is given that it happened right before the midterm elections.

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00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: I again, I have no idea. I mean, my own

854
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: objections are obviously clear by the way the CBO came

855
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: out and said I was wrong and won't be back

856
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Speaker 1: to current debt levels in four years. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be five years apparently for current debt levels to resume.

858
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll see, Crystal. Our own audience

859
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: was roughly split fifty fifty, so go, yeah, Well, here's

860
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: what I'll say. I mean, I think you underestimate how

861
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: transformative this is for the people who were impacted. I mean,

862
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: I saw interviews with young people who you know, just

863
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: had their entire debt burden, are close to their entire

864
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: debt burden wiped down, and they literally described this as

865
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: like a life changing moment. Forty three million people impacted.

866
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: You have, you know, half of student loan bars who

867
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: will have their debt majority of it wiped down. So

868
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: you have a really significant, very direct impact on people here.

869
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I certainly think that there was a

870
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: there still continues to be a lot of mainstream analysis

871
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: that's like, Oh, there's going to be a backlash that's

872
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: going to be terrible for Democrats. I think these polls

873
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: prove that pretty clearly wrong, when you've got like two

874
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: thirds of Americans saying, yeah, I support this, And even

875
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: though I don't personally benefit, I still support it because

876
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: I think it's the right thing to do. So if

877
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 1: nothing else, even if it's not the sort of game

878
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: changer that say Dobbs was in terms of the electoral cycle,

879
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think it's the political liability that a

880
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: lot of the sort of pundit classes that that is

881
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I think it's one of those things

882
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: where you have to rank everything in terms of importance.

883
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: It could be one of those things that annoys people

884
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: and get some people going. I mean, from my estimation,

885
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: it's about twelve million people who have their debt actually

886
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: wiped out based on the forty three million that it

887
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: will be effective. But Dobbs is going to rank even

888
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: higher amongst generic BALLOCHI choice And also, is it one

889
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: of those things's gonna get Republicans and be like, you

890
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: know what, I'm really gonna stick it to Brandon now

891
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: that he's wiped out there. Oh, I don't really think

892
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: that they were already pretty That's what I'm saying. I

893
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with debt. I

894
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: think it is much much higher on the Yeah, there's

895
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: a there's a massive benefit for the people who benefit

896
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: from it and from the people who are pissed off

897
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: about it, like it doesn't really directly affect their lives.

898
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: They're just like irritated by it because whatever, and that's

899
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: just feeds into a general miliu. So yeah, I don't

900
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: know politically, it's gonna be interesting next one. Okay, this

901
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: is there is something about this story which really gets

902
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: me going. So let's put this up there on the screen.

903
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. Moderna is suing Pfizer over the mRNA technology.

904
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: The lawsuit, which was filed in both the US and Germany,

905
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: alleges financial damages and says Maderna is claiming that two

906
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: key elements of its intellectual property regarding the quote chemical

907
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: modification of its mRNA platform, which Maderna claims that it

908
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: was the first to demonstrate in human trials in twenty fifteen,

909
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: has been copied by Pfizer in their COVID vaccine. The

910
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: second infringement specifically focuses on the way that the vaccines

911
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: target the spike protein on the outside of the virus.

912
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: They say, quote, we are filing these lawsuits to protect

913
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: the innovative mRNA technology platform that we pioneered, invested billions

914
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: in creating and patented during the decade prior to the

915
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: preceding COVID nineteen pandemic. So there's a hell of a

916
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: lot to say about this. Number One, both of these

917
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: vaccines would not exist without the extraordinary intervention of the

918
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: Trump administration and the United States government. Moderna and Pfiser

919
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: received unbelievable gifts, but from the US government. Number two,

920
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: in terms of mRNA itself, actually a lot of US

921
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: government money was developed and put into creating that technology.

922
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: So it's not just Maderna, by the way, that was

923
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: one of the people that were quote unquote pioneer years

924
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: in the development of the platform of the technology, spike

925
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: protein Research, et cetera. But beyond that, these companies again,

926
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you remember, I think you did a home

927
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: monologue on this unrising. There was at one point there

928
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: was like a road that was blocked that was you know,

929
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: people were unable to I think it was either modern

930
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: Arrovisor was unable to get some supplies. The government literally

931
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: took like National Guard military resources, yeah, to commandeer this

932
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: road and to make sure that supplies we're getting. Folks

933
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: went and like stop trained to get like critical parts

934
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: off of so intervened in their trials to make sure

935
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: they were able to get the participants that they needed.

936
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: Moved Heaven and Earth, pumped ten and a half billion

937
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: dollars into these companies and then were like, here you

938
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: go go make billions of dollars in profit at RSPCA

939
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: Emergency Authorization, full benefit and purchase agreements with the US government,

940
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Extraordinary intervention on our behalf. And they went all the

941
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: way to the bank. I mean, put this up there

942
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: on the screen. Moderna It's Health has reaped twelve billion

943
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: in profits from the vaccine sales just last year. Twelve

944
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: billion dollars in profits from a company which was you know,

945
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily doing all that well before that. Pfeiser put

946
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: this one up there. Look at this. Peiser has reached

947
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollar behemoth thanks to the COVID vaccine

948
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: and to packs load and other drugs that they have

949
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: under their umbrella. Now, look, you know even if you're

950
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: a put full scale communist socialist aside. Most people were like,

951
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: all right, you know, the government came in here, look

952
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Peiser Maderna, they did some of the technology. Yeah, it's okay,

953
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, you make a profit whatever, but this is

954
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: just unbelievable because they're taking technology developed by the US government,

955
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: helped with the US government, purchase agreements by not just

956
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: our government, on governments all over the world, and they're like,

957
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: now they're scrapping over who gets even a bigger piece

958
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: of the pie. It's like, what the bag wasn't big enough?

959
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: And look, YouTube has revised its content policy, so apparently

960
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: I can say this, but let's all be honest and

961
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: just say the vaccine didn't work as well as we

962
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: were originally promised. And so it's like you're suing over

963
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: the vaccine, which, by the way, you know, originally in

964
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: the marketing and the promises by both CDC officials, the

965
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: FDA and others, and even what you all claimed in

966
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: the very beginning didn't even work as well as it

967
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: was supposed to. Not saying it didn't save hundreds of

968
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: millions of lives, probably did, but just on balance, just

969
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: saying a lot of people still got COVID even though

970
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: that wasn't exactly promised in the very beginning, including myself

971
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: and you Christ. Yeah. Yeah, it was still very effective

972
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: for severe illness and death. That's the most important piece. Yes,

973
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people still got Let's be honest, fair enough.

974
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: I will tell you this is the type of story

975
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: that does make me want to be a full fucking communist,

976
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: because you're like, screw these people. This research was funded

977
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: by you American taxpayer over decades, and then even in

978
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: this final stretch to get these vaccines to market, ten

979
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: and a half billion dollars pumped into these companies for

980
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: them to then go and turn around and hog the recipe.

981
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: The major vaccine scandal here was not that, you know,

982
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: they didn't work well enough or whatever. The major vaccine

983
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: scandal has always been the fact that they maintained their

984
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: patent protection and that the Biden administration, at the Trump

985
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: administration first, but then the Biden administration allowed them to

986
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: do that, and that kept critical vaccines from getting into

987
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: the arms of people around the world. Maderna. At the

988
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: beginning of this whole thing, they said they were not

989
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: going to enforce their patents, so that they could help

990
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: other drug companies to develop their own jebs. What happened

991
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: to that soccer? What the hell happened to that? Now? Okay,

992
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: not only are they in a dispute with Pfizer, now

993
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: they're suing Fizer saying, oh, this is our technology that

994
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: we developed, thank you very much. Now they're also in

995
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: an ongoing dispute with the US National Institutes of Health

996
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: over credit for key patents relating to the mRNA technology.

997
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: So this is just so sociopathic that I cannot even

998
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: wrap my head around it. You made billions of dollars

999
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: in profit off of the backs of the US government

1000
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: and the US taxpayer, and you have the nerve to

1001
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: turn around and pretend like this was all your idea

1002
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: and you developed it all in house. Get down in here. Unbelievable.

1003
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: The US government maintains the right if they want to

1004
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: actually come in and knock their patent protection. Given the

1005
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: amount of extraordinary intervention, I forget exactly what the legal

1006
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: mechanism is going to march and rices all. That's something.

1007
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: I think it's called marchin rights. I'll have to go

1008
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: back and read the lot we were doing. We did

1009
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot on this back. I think this is the

1010
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: bid dole ass that provides the power to be able

1011
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, and that also seems like a

1012
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: reasonable time. There was always you know, at the World

1013
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: Health Organization, there was always a proposal, I think South

1014
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: Africa and other countries that India believe back this idea

1015
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: of like, listen, this is an extraordinary emergency. At the

1016
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic, remember, everybody's like, we're all in

1017
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: it together, World War two style mobilezasee, We're going to

1018
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: beat this thing. And then the minute there was a

1019
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: little bit of money to be made, suddenly it was

1020
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: every man for himself. And you know, they were perfectly

1021
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: happy to charge rich countries a premium, send them, you know,

1022
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: all the doses and hog up the patent technology for

1023
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: themselves and not allow re generics to be replicated around

1024
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: the world. Even though and this was something we documented

1025
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: extensively and the intercepted great reporting on, even though there

1026
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: were factories around the world that were like ready to go,

1027
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: just give us the recipe and we can spin out

1028
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: doses right away. That has always been the greatest scandal

1029
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: of the whole vaccine situation. And now this is just

1030
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: salt in the wound that they are willing to go

1031
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: in and say these are ours. And how dare Pfizer

1032
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: even developed their own vaccine? Like, that's your complaint is

1033
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: that there were too many vaccines out there, too available

1034
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: to people. Come on, and they're actually ready to make

1035
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: even more money. Let's put this up there, both of them.

1036
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: By the way, latest COVID boosters are set to roll

1037
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: out even before human testing has been completed. The US government,

1038
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: which is now expected to authorize new booster shots without

1039
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: a staple of its normal decision making process. Data from

1040
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: a study showing whether the shots were safe are well,

1041
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: these are the ones that are like for the updates.

1042
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: These are like the omicron specific boosters. I mean, look,

1043
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: you guys can make your own personal decisions. You know,

1044
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: if you're in the risk category or whatever, maybe consider it,

1045
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: talk to your doctor. But just again, just shows the

1046
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: extraordinary deference both companies have found in the distribution of

1047
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: this vaccine. They get all these emergency youth authorizations. They're

1048
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: not under the same due scrutiny of even a normal

1049
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: drug through a very flawed FDA approval process. And yeah,

1050
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of past statements, efficacy. More none

1051
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: of it being evaluated. FDA and CDC still pushing these

1052
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: things out there, so you can make your own choice

1053
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: how exactly these things. But at the bottom line, somebody's

1054
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: paying for it, and it's definitely the US government, and

1055
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: while they're in the midst of active litigation, which is

1056
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: unbelievable really when you consider it. All. Right, Finally, now

1057
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: you guys might have seen Mark Zuckerberg was on the

1058
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan experience, really interesting conversation and especially in the

1059
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: beginning about virtual reality. Joe, to his credit, did push

1060
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg a little bit about the handling of the Hunter

1061
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: Biden laptop story. Now, everything that Zuckerberg says here has

1062
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: already been out there, but still also, I love this.

1063
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: It took what a year Zuckerberg has done how many

1064
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: interviews and a year and a half, And it took

1065
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: a year, and it took Rogan, you know, in the

1066
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: middle of a conversation and be like, hey, by the way,

1067
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: look what happened with that whole thing, like eighteen months ago. Anyway,

1068
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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg confirming that algorithmically Facebook quote unquote Meta did algorithmically

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Speaker 1: suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story on his platform for

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Speaker 1: a period of eight days. Just stunning. Let's take a listen.

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00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: How do you guys handle things when they're a big

1072
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: news item that's controversial. Like there was a lot of

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00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter

1074
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Biden laptop story. The need we o too, Yeah, so

1075
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: you guys censored that as well. So we took a

1076
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: different path than Twitter. I mean basically the background here

1077
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: is the FBI I think basically came to us some

1078
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: folks on our team. It was like, hey, just so

1079
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, like you should be on high alert. There

1080
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: was we thought that there was a lot of Russian

1081
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: propaganda in the twenty sixteen election. We have on notice

1082
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: that basically there's about to be some kind of dump

1083
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: of that's similar to that, so just be vigilant. So

1084
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: our protocol is different from Twitters. What Twitter did is

1085
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: they said you can't share this at all. We didn't

1086
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: do that. What we do is we have if something

1087
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: has reported to us as potentially misinformation important misinformation, we

1088
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: also have this third party fat checking program because we

1089
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: don't want to be deciding what's true and false. And

1090
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: for the I think it was five or seven days

1091
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: when it was basically being being determined whether it was false.

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00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: The distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still

1093
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: allowed to share it, so you could still share it,

1094
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: you could still consume it. Say the distribution has decreased,

1095
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: it got shared, work it. Basically the ranking and news

1096
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: feed was a little bit less, so fewer people saw

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00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: it than would have otherwise. So it definitely by what percentage.

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00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if the top of my head, but

1099
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's meaningful. I don't know if the top

1100
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: of my head, he's like, by what percentage? Animal come on,

1101
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: It was obviously a meaningful and ridiculous way in order

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: to handle this and look in terms of the polling

1103
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: and all this, no one can really know for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's throw this up there about the truthful seventy nine

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00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: percent said quote truthful coverage would have changed how the

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. I personally done that. However, did it

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00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: have an impact maybe? I mean honestly, like I always

1108
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: want to put the political part out of this, Like

1109
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, regardless of whether this

1110
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: would have helped or heard or been indifferent or whatever,

1111
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: it was a story. There were parts of it that

1112
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: were Germane. There were parts of it that were not Germane.

1113
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: As we've discussed, you know, extensively here Hunter's social life

1114
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: and you know, personal struggles are not relevant, but his

1115
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: business dealings and how they relate to his dad, of

1116
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: course extremely relevant. We have told this story so many times,

1117
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: but I think it's really important to reiterate. When these

1118
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: stories first started to break, we were that morning preparing

1119
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: for Rising, and we were talking about like, should we

1120
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: put this in the show, and like maybe tomorrow we'll

1121
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: check it out. Really a game changer, Let's see how

1122
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: this all plays out. This became a massive story and

1123
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: something that now we're continuing to have to talk about

1124
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: because of the handling. So you know, it really was

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: a very clear striisand effect where it because it was

1126
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: so that censorship was so heavy. I've never seen anything

1127
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: like that. You couldn't even you couldn't even DM each other.

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Speaker 1: These New York Post articles, you know, like sort of

1129
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: mainline regular journalists were having their accounts suspended because they

1130
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: dared to tweet about it. It was. It was really crazy.

1131
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: So now you start to see like, oh, this is

1132
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: why Twitter behaved in such an insane way, because they

1133
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: had the FBI basically telling them to do that. And

1134
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: then with Facebook, I think the other thing that the

1135
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: algorithmic suppression is in some ways a lot more underhanded.

1136
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: Because we knew it was being censored on Twitter, there

1137
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: was no way to know exactly what was going on

1138
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: in Facebook. And this is like the game safe play

1139
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: on YouTube as well. They really control what people see

1140
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: and what people don't see, and so you can technically say,

1141
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you can share and it's there and we're

1142
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: not censoring or whatever, but behind the scenes they're making

1143
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: it so much less prominent that it's going to get

1144
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: so much less oxygen. And that's not something that we

1145
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: have any visibility. And yeah, and look I see that

1146
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: stuff all the time, and we don't censor ourselves in

1147
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: the same way like they're I know YouTube creators who

1148
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: will use euphemisms for different words oh really yeah, oh yeah,

1149
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: but they won't say the word rap. I just did

1150
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: that guarantees that this video is not going to be

1151
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: as successful China. Apparently if you put that in the headline,

1152
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: that also gets downranked. There are all kinds of people

1153
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: and there's a significant analysis that is done that shows

1154
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: that what you say because remember auto transcripts are generated

1155
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: based on the zto transcripts, sharing and all those other

1156
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: things go down. It's all based to them on advertising.

1157
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: I get it, I totally do. But we're here to

1158
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: do the news. We're not here to placate you know,

1159
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: Pamper's Diapers or whoever these companies are. So whoever's the

1160
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: stupid ads or sorry not whosever ads are getting dynamically

1161
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: inserted into this video. The point is is that that

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00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: is in a way a little bit more pernicious also

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00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: at the best of the FBI. So the FBI, and

1164
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: again you have to parse what he says very carefully.

1165
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: He says, the FBI came to us and said something

1166
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: is coming. Well, what does that even mean? Something could

1167
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: come at any time. Who knows what that you know,

1168
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: And by this standard, anything which has quote unquote suspect

1169
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: reporting or about leaked documents or about concerning a foreign

1170
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: actor would then be suppressed. I mean, if there's a

1171
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: story right now going around about the Saudi government bribing

1172
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: Twitter employees to rat out dissonance accounts to them, now

1173
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's some disinformation being spread around that

1174
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: could they the FBI come to Facebook and ask them

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01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: to downrank that and Twitter, I mean concerning considering it

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: even concerns Twitter itself. It just opens up all sorts

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Speaker 1: of insane possibilities. I think the only place where this

1178
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: sort of cooperation should even be existing, and even then

1179
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: is if he is around legitimate like actual terrorist groups

1180
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: like ISIS. But even on that one, you're like, hey,

1181
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: he's a sympathizer. Hold on a second, Oh, what does

1182
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: that mean? Like if somebody's directly out there being like,

1183
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: let us go carry out and attack, that's I think

1184
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: in one category, and the law exists for them. That's

1185
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: exactly right. Here's the only question you need to ask yourself.

1186
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Is it true or not? It doesn't matter if even

1187
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: if it came from Vladimir Putin himself, is it accurate

1188
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: or not? That's it. Once you start getting into how

1189
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: the source is sketch, you don't like them. They have

1190
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: weird background, Like okay, welcome to journalism. Least people gets

1191
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: accurate important information from sketchy ass people all the freakin' time.

1192
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 1: That's the way it works. So the fact that they

1193
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have the FBI come in and say

1194
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: watch out, Russian disinformation incoming, and then there was you

1195
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: will recall a concerted media campaign to say, quote, this

1196
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: bears all the hallmarks of a Russian misinformation campaign or whatever.

1197
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: And all these high level, like official type people signing

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Speaker 1: on to it, who, by the way, now can't be

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: found for comment when you go to ask them about

1200
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: this thing. None of them have ever responded to me,

1201
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: right exactly, even though you know, and this was an

1202
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: attempt to call back to twenty sixteen, when there was

1203
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: a real shaming the press after Donald Trump wins, to

1204
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: basically say like, it's your fault and you shouldn't have

1205
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: covered this information that was coming out of WikiLeaks because

1206
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: this is you know, Russian tide and it's misinformation. You

1207
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: guys drop the ball, And a lot of journalists are

1208
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: very cheat, Oh we're sorry, we won't do it again.

1209
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: We won't report on anything that comes from sketchy sources,

1210
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: especially not when it's Russian connected. And so now when

1211
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: this happens, they use, they weaponize that to basically stifle

1212
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: any sort of just like honest, accurate assessment of what

1213
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: was in this material. And I don't even think that

1214
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't really think that ultimately was beneficial to Joe

1215
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: Biden because we look at all of the energy around

1216
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 1: hundred freaking bright Bartisan with some terrible movie about hunting ride.

1217
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: You didn't see this, Oh, go watch the movie trailer.

1218
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's really something. But you know, they're

1219
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 1: definitely for Republicans toy control of the House and Senate.

1220
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: They're going to be doing a whole Hunter Biden investigation.

1221
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the insane crackdown and concerted like

1222
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: media effort to stifle any sort of conversation about this,

1223
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that all of this has the same

1224
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: energy that it does now. Yeah, absolutely, And look, moving on,

1225
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: let's throw this up there, which is that this is

1226
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: again the most terrifying part to me. The FBI says

1227
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: it routinely notifies social media companies of potential threats and

1228
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: given them their defense all the time, a whole deal.

1229
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions on what basis, under

1230
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: what legal authority, what type of notification. I mean, here's

1231
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: the other one, which is that I think it's pretty

1232
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: clear that the FBI said something along the lines of

1233
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: if it has the hallmark of Russian disinformation that could

1234
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: come about Biden, and that's what freaked them out. So

1235
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: much and into action. Well, then you need to be

1236
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot more clear in how you issue that guidance

1237
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: so that this stuff doesn't happen in the future. And

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01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: if they did do it on behalf of the FBI,

1239
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: then it's even more troubling because of the direct fusion

1240
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: there security State and the social media platforms. We know

1241
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: that exists. We know it exists, you know, especially on

1242
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: unlawful content, but in this murky regime, there needs to

1243
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: be very specific guidance, language and more, and maybe it

1244
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't even exist. Honestly, I'm getting to the point where

1245
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it should. If Facebook is really dumb

1246
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: enough in order to believe, you know, immediately it was clear,

1247
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this is true. Within twenty four hours,

1248
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: if Hunter doesn't say no, that laptop is not mine

1249
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: and all of this is faked, yeah, it's called true.

1250
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: All right, Like sorry, same with it. Remember Hillary, They're like, well,

1251
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: it's potential misinformation in the emails. I'm like, point to one,

1252
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: one single email which was wrong. Guess what, not a

1253
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: single one of them wasn't made up, not one. And

1254
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: you can reach out to comment to John Podesta and

1255
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: the recipients are like, hey, to just send this and

1256
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: if they don't respond, well, what do you think, folks,

1257
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: doesn't take a genius figure? If it's true, let it spread,

1258
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just give all information equal weight. Let people

1259
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: share it if they want. As you said, would it

1260
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: have ultimately determined the results of the election, No, I

1261
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: don't think so. So at this point, I don't even

1262
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: think the FBI has a credibility to do this again,

1263
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: outside of the realms of very specific like this guy

1264
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: wants to kill people, this guy wants to carry out

1265
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: this type of attack. This guy's actively recruiting for a

1266
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: designated FTO by you know, by soliciting funds. Outside of

1267
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: those clear cut cases. They need to get this ol out.

1268
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: This is far too important, like what's in our public square,

1269
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean, in terms of just being able to function

1270
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: as a democracy is far too important to be kept

1271
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: in the shadows and you know, determined ultimately the bounds

1272
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: of conversation, determined by some deep state rules obsessed with Russia.

1273
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, important revelations, all right, Zacher, what are you

1274
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: looking at? Well? I think everyone can agree things aren't

1275
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: going so well here in the US. The issue is

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Speaker 1: we can't really all agree on. Why was it Obama? Bush? Clinton?

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Speaker 1: How far back do you go? Increasingly, I'm going back

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Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy one, a date that's been highlighted by

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Speaker 1: venture capitalists Peter Teel and Mark Andresen as a major

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Speaker 1: turning point for the United States. Nineteen seventy one marked

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Speaker 1: the assumption of office of Richard Nixon of his second term,

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Speaker 1: breaking of trust between the US government and its populace.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy one was the year that the US got

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Speaker 1: off the gold standard. Nineteen seventy one was financialization deregulation

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Speaker 1: really took off. Nineteen seventy one was really the end

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Speaker 1: of America's optimistic period. Perhaps nothing signifies the end of

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Speaker 1: optimism more than the last human visit to interplanetary space

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, with the return of Apollo seventeen.

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Speaker 1: At the time of Apollo seventeen, nobody cared it was

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Speaker 1: our fifth trip to the moon, and yeah it was cool.

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Speaker 1: Astronauts could live on the lunar surface for several days,

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Speaker 1: drive a car around the public. Though a long sentence

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Speaker 1: move past the Nixon administration made it known to NASA,

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Speaker 1: joy rise to the moon. It's over the public is

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Speaker 1: over it. The cost was too high and there was

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Speaker 1: no realistic plan to go to Mars from there. Since then,

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Speaker 1: space travel is languished. We've essentially spent the last fifty

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Speaker 1: years just trying to recapture the glory of July nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. We pulled off perhaps the greatest feat in

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Speaker 1: the history of mankind. Since then, the history of space

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Speaker 1: has been a complete snooze. The NASA geeks will say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we launched this probe in that we put a

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Speaker 1: camera on Mars. Sorry, honestly, I don't care that much.

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Speaker 1: Nothing will be as cool as landing a human on

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Speaker 1: the Moon, or we have a new telescope. Again, fine,

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Speaker 1: but taking higher resolution photos. It doesn't get me or

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world going. Let's be honest. NASA

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Speaker 1: today simply reflects back the society that we are stagnant,

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Speaker 1: corrupted by bureaucratic incompetence and woke politics, unable to unite

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Speaker 1: the world in a mission and to give people a

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Speaker 1: reason for hope, trying to recapture the glory of our

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Speaker 1: past rather than do something new. And it's in that

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Speaker 1: van that I'm to discussed what is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a big day, NASA officially was beginning the process of

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Speaker 1: returning an American to the lunar surface. NASA today was scheduled,

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Speaker 1: but has now scrubbed, the launch of an unmined Orion

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Speaker 1: space capsule on top of its newly developed SLS rocket

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Speaker 1: for a trip around the Moon. The spacecraft was scheduled

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Speaker 1: to orbit the Moon for forty two days journey before

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Speaker 1: returning to Earth and crashing back into the ocean. NASA

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Speaker 1: was billing the rocket launch as a major event, the

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Speaker 1: first of three flights that will ultimately culminate with a

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Speaker 1: landing on the Moon in two thousand and five. There's

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Speaker 1: just one problem. Those of us who are familiar with

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Speaker 1: the original Apollo program cannot believe how unbelievably slow and

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Speaker 1: uncreative this entire thing is. Consider this. The first successful

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Speaker 1: unmanned probe to reach the Moon by NASA took place

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Speaker 1: on January thirtieth, nineteen sixty four. It was only seven

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Speaker 1: months later in unmanned probe called Ranger seven, orbited the

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Speaker 1: Moon to take pictures in videos and send them back

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Speaker 1: to Earth. You could say, okay, this is a rocket test.

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Speaker 1: Even then, consider the timeline of the original Apollo missions,

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Speaker 1: which used the Saturn five rocket. The first unmanned launch

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: and test of the Saturn five took place with Apollo

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Speaker 1: four on November ninth, nineteen sixty seven. The next breakthrough

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: mission from there took place only a year later with

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Speaker 1: Apollo eight, when three American astronauts circled the Moon on

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Speaker 1: Christmas nineteen sixty eight and took one of the most

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Speaker 1: breathtaking photos of all time. Consider NASA's schedule today was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be the rocket launch, the next one is

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01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: not even scheduled until twenty twenty four, two years later,

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Speaker 1: and that mission is what it's simply recreating Apollo eight,

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Speaker 1: sending four astronauts to circle the Moon. They won't even

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Speaker 1: fly there fifty three years after Neil Armstrong and NASA

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01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: landed on the Moon. The Artemis two mission is actually

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Speaker 1: less technologically breakthrough than Apollo nine and ten, which not

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: only circled the Moon but included full testing of entering

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Speaker 1: the lunar orbit and, in the case of Apollo ten,

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: coming within fifty thousand feet of the lunar surface. After

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,440
Speaker 1: NASA's recreation of Apollo eight, they then plan to recreate

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Speaker 1: Apollo eleven with the final landing sometime in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Their selling point, and I am not kidding, is this well,

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Speaker 1: Artemis III is different because this time we will land

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Speaker 1: a woman and a person of color on the Moon

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Speaker 1: under the American flag. In fact, that was the reason

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Speaker 1: cited by President Biden in his budget request to Congress

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Speaker 1: as why additional billions were required to keep up the

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Speaker 1: mission timeline to accomplish a box check of landing a

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Speaker 1: woman and a person of color on the Moon, not

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Speaker 1: to you know, further, the advancement of knowledge of humankind,

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: or beat the Soviet Union, or unite the world in

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01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: the idea of what is technologically possible a literal diversity checklist.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I'm not arguing against these missions. I

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Speaker 1: guess they're better than nothing. But when I consider the

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Speaker 1: timeline and the majesty of the original Apollo missions, I

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: cannot help laugh and cry at how pathetic this all seems.

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Speaker 1: More than fifty years after landing on the Moon. As

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Speaker 1: for the next step, they have their heads in the clouds.

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Speaker 1: The current NASA timeline estimates a man mission to Mars

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Speaker 1: will occur sometime in the late twenty thirties or forties.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they got no plan. What made the

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Speaker 1: Apollo missions incredible was how meticulous they were in building

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Speaker 1: towards the goal. Apollo four tests the rocket, the next

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Speaker 1: one tests another system, the next one puts men inside

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: of it. Then we circle the moon. Then we test

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Speaker 1: each part of the landing meticulously. Then we land boom.

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Speaker 1: Apollo was undergirded by a strong, confident, booming America that

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Speaker 1: simultaneously worked through its worst wounds and fulfilled its greatest promises.

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Speaker 1: Since that time, we have simply lost all of that.

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Speaker 1: How else can you explain taking longer to accomplish feats

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Speaker 1: fifty three years later with technology that is supposedly light

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Speaker 1: years ahead. Nineteen seventy one really did change everything. I

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Speaker 1: encourage you all to go check out w twof happened

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, dot com PERU some of these charts.

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Speaker 1: Up until nineteen seventy one, wages and GDP growth were

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Speaker 1: one to one. After nineteen seventy one, they changed. Up

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Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy one, income games were widely shared. Today,

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Speaker 1: inequality is almost as bad as the Gilded Age. My

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Speaker 1: personal favorite graphic is this one. A new house cost

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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. In nineteen seventy one, the average income

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Speaker 1: was ten thousand, six hundred. A new car costs thirty

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Speaker 1: five hundred, average rent was one hundred and fifty a month.

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Speaker 1: Tuition at Harvard was twenty six hundred. A movie ticket

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Speaker 1: was a buck, fifty, gas forty cents a gallon, and

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Speaker 1: a postage stamp was eight cents. Consider how simply affordable

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Speaker 1: life was for the average consumer, and with increasing GDP gains,

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Speaker 1: they were equally distributed, meaning that even costs increase, you

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: were mostly okay. Today. Good luck paying for basically any

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Speaker 1: of that on the median income for a family. And

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Speaker 1: also consider in nineteen seventy one, women didn't have to

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Speaker 1: work if they didn't want to, just to pay for

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Speaker 1: those basic goods. Whatever happened that year put us on

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Speaker 1: the road. Today we supposedly have the greatest technology in

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: the history of humankind, but our art is stuck, our

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: culture seems of sef with recreating trends of the pases,

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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: we can't even get to the moon as quickly. Even

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: though your iPhone is more powerful than the computer that

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01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: was on board Apollo eleven, the technology itself did not

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: save us, as was promise. In fact, it may have

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: sapped us of the strength that we once had to

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01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: accomplish the impossible. Whatever comes next, it needs to look

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01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: more like that. Otherwise our greatest feat as a side

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01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: to today will be just redoing what we already did

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01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: this time though with the diversity checklist. How insane is

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: that They're like, we got to spend one hundred billion

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01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: dollars so we can put a woman in a person.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com, Ristle,

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: what do you take a look at? Well, Guys, for

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01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: literally decades, we have been told there is one way

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: for candidates to win. To be electable, you got to

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01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: be as boring as possible, promise as a little as possible,

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: and cater to the center, which, when uttered by Beltway

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01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: media types, means to carry water for corporate America. If

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01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, make sure to engage in a little

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01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: rhetorical hippie punching and actual war mongering so that everyone

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01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: knows you are definitely not a communist. This theory of

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Speaker 1: electability predates Bill Clinton, but he was really the guy

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Speaker 1: that put it into full scale practice. After twelve years

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Speaker 1: of being shut out at the White House, Clinton won.

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: So every Democratic candidate has it beat into them by

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: the party leadership and by their media allies that the

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: Clintonian triangulating, screwing over your own base mode of politics

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01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: is the only way to win. This theory of electability

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: has been sold so thoroughly to the public that the

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01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: Democratic base has been turned into a bunch of well

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: mini pundits valuating Canada. It's not based on their policy preferences,

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: but on who they imagine and who the media tells

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: them will be electable. But something very interesting has been

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: happening recently. Few of the biggest dem surprises in the

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 1: midterms and outperformers are rejecting the Clinton mode of politics

1442
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: for a more outspoken, unapologetic, and economically populist approach. They

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Speaker 1: are going after their opponents for their extreme positions on abortion, yes,

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01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: but they are also putting promises to challenge corporate power

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01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: at the very center of their pitch. So let me

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Speaker 1: give you a couple of examples here. Last week we

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01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: brought you the story of Pat Ryan. He's an Army

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: combat veteran, a local county official and a Democrat, and

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: he just shocked everyone by winning a special election in

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,839
Speaker 1: a swing district in upstate New York. Now, his victory

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: was a huge surprise because number one, this is a

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01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: very closely divided district. It's also a supposedly bad year

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: for Democrats, and his opponent was really considered quite strong.

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: He's a moderate, longtime local county official with his own

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: local base of support. Polls up to election day had

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Pat Ryan down by as much as eight points, but

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: then the Democrat prevailed ultimately by more than the Biden

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: margin in that district. How did you do it well?

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Speaker 1: The media analysis ours included focused understandably on Ryan's focus

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01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: on abortion. True enough, hard to imagine him prevailing in

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: this district before Roe was overturned, putting the GOP's abortion

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: extremism front and center in our politics. But Pat Ryan

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01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: wanted to make it clear that abortion was not his

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Speaker 1: entire message. In an interview with Alex Wide for the

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01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: day after his victory, he had this to say about

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Speaker 1: which parts of his message resonated most in that district.

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Speaker 1: Our other ad that's gotten a little less national attention

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01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: but really resonated at home was about how our big

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01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: corporate utility Power Utility was ripping off customers. I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of people on the ground say that hit

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Speaker 1: home for me that I'm struggling to pay my utility

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Speaker 1: bills and this company is making record breaking profits and

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01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: paying no taxes. So we were doing both. We're providing relief,

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: talking about what we're going to do to deliver on

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01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: that relief and stand up for people's freedoms on a

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: foundational level. And that one two combo, I think that

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: is what we need to do, continue to do and

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: build on. And so here was that ad he just

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: referred to that made up half of his overall ad.

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: Buy Big utility companies have a monopoly on our power,

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01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: so they think they can do whatever they want. I'm

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: Pat Ryan and his Ulster County executive. I use my

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: power to hold greedy corporations accountable. Like when Central Hudson

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01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: Utilities was ripping off our community. I called for investigation

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: and demanded they repay customers and freeze rat increases. I

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: approved this message because big corporations had too much power.

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: It's time our families had more. And apparently he lived

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: up to this rhetoric as Ulster County executive, where he

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: not only took on the price gouging of public utilities,

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01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: but launched a pilot UBI program, and rather than run

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: and hide like some other swing district Dems did when

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01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: Biden announced he was canceling up to twenty thousand dollars

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01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: in student debt, Ryan was unapologetic in defending the move,

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01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 1: telling The Morning Joe Gouls that it was quote huge.

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01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: So so far, I'm pretty impressed, and apparently so are

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01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: the voters. Now. The other DEM outperformer this cycle is

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: the big guy from Pennsylvania. John Fetterman now Fetterman is

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01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: a former Steeltown mayor who backed Bernie Sanders in the

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: primary and who came to national prominence for trashing Republicans

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: trying to steal the election for Trump in Pennsylvania. In

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: the primary, he was up against the prototypical Clinton model

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01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: corporate candidate Connor Lamb. After Lamb won a swing congressional district,

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: the Beltwegh media lavish praise on this guy and attention

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01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: on him for his milk toast donor friendly politics, holding

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: him up as the example all Democrats should emulate to

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: get elected in tough districts. Literally every establishment figure lined

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01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: up behind Lamb in that primary, and he proceeded to

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01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: get absolutely destroyed by John Fetterman. It was a thirty

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01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: point landslide rejection of the dem establishment's golden boy, in

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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: spite of the fact that, as you know, Fetterman literally

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01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: spent election day recovering from a stroke. Now Fetterman is

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: up against doctor Oz, and we have well documented Oz's

1513
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: terrible cringe crue de tae centric campaign, as well as

1514
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: Team Fetterman's relentless and very effective trolling, But we spend

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01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: less time focused on the affirmative parts of Fetterman's message.

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: Take a listen at how he is presenting his agenda

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: to the district. I'm John Fetterman, and I approved this message.

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01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: The truth is, our economy is a mess because of

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: Washington powerful, the insiders, and the lobbyists. They're lying about

1520
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: me to take the heat off themselves. It's Washington's fault.

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: They said, the rules weakened our supply chain and spiked inflation.

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: But we can fix our economy. We must make more

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: stuff in America, cut taxes for working families. Congress shouldn't

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01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: play in the stock market and take on anyone that

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: gets in the way. That's what I believe in. Fight inflation,

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01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: cut taxes for working families, make stuff here, band stock

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: trading for members of Congress, and unabashed challenge to corporate power,

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01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: which is a massive break from typical Clintonian politics, and

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: which again apparently is really landing with voters. A look

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01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: at Biden's trajectory and office tell us a bit of

1531
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: a similar story. Quite frankly, his approval ratings were highest

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01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: at the beginning of his administration when he was handing

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01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: out fourteen hundred dollars checks, and they were lowest when

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: he was letting Joe Manchin and Kirson Cinema run the

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01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 1: show on behalf of their donors. But now Dark Brandon

1536
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: has taken control all of a sudden. In the past

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01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: everal weeks, Biden got the chipsacked through, he passed money

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01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: for toxic and pit victims. He passedes so called Inflation

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01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: Production Act that included a big corporate tax hike and

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01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot of very solid consumer incentives. And now he's

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01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: handing out up to twenty k in debt cancelation. And

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01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: there are rumors that the US is about to get

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: back in the Iran nuclear deal. Listen I've still got

1544
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: a million problems with this administration, but some of these

1545
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: items represent a real break with the corporate neoliberal politics

1546
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: of the Clinton years. Industrial policy, corporate tax hikes, debt cancelation,

1547
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: and a pugilistic rhetorical style that we have not really

1548
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: seen from Biden as president. Is this unfair to people

1549
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: who paid the student loans or showed not take out loans?

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01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: Is it fair to people who, in fact that do

1551
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: not own both billion dollar businesses? There? She want these

1552
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: guys get involved with texts success there? What do you think?

1553
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: What about people who paid their law night and day

1554
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: from the Clinton approach? And oh, would you look at that?

1555
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: His poll numbers coming back up. Democrats, they now have

1556
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: an outside shot to actually well in the midterms, challenging

1557
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: corporate power, leaning into economic populism. Watching with Glee's The

1558
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: Bezos editorial board melts down. It's good politics, guys, And

1559
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: if a few more Democratic candidates embrace this direction, they

1560
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: might well have a good year in the midterms. And

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01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: if Biden continues to channel dark Brandon, voters will happily

1562
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: re elect him at any age, whether he can complete

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: a sentence or not. So I guess let's go Brandon,

1564
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: So LGB we have been talking a lot about them,

1565
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: and if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1566
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Returning

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01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: to the show is Bradley Moss. He's a partner at

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01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: the Mark Said Law firm. He specializes in national security

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01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: law and specifically classification. So, as I said, Brad, you're

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01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: a bullish man, always have been on the Twitter platform

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01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: where we've known each other now for several years, but

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Speaker 1: I have always appreciated your analysis. You put this out.

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. After the

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: release of the affidavit quote, I've seen enough, folks, Donald

1575
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: Trump will be indicted in the classified documents matter. I'm

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01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: placing my marker. Well, now tell us why you came

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01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: to that conclusion. Brad. You've been involved in several of

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: these classification cases, defending many clients and others and seeing

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01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: the way the FBI handles itself. Why are you putting

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01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: that out there, even given the redacted affidavit? Sure so

1581
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: for two reasons. One is we now know for more,

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, with confirmation, not just from media reporting. We

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: now have you know, kind of the clarity of what

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: exactly was found in the initial set of boxes that

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01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: were recovered in January. We now know that there were

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01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: top secret documents with including markings for human intelligence sources,

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01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: including markings for signal intercepts and for FIZ information. So

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: there's no indication, of course, in any of this that

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: any of us was declassified. The government even included in

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01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: the affidavit. From what we've been able to see, they

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01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: preempted the concern about the idea that maybe Donald Trump

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: had somehow declassified classified all this on his way out

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01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: of the office. Clearly, the magistrate judge didn't find anything

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01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: to that. The Trump team has had three opportunities to

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01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: present any evidence beyond speculation and conjecture to indicate that

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01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: was the case. They've provided nothing. So that was one part.

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Speaker 1: But what made it worse, what truly led me to

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: cross this line, is that the obstruction issue is what's

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01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: going to catch him in the end, because that's almost

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 1: always what causes the government to actually pursue a prosecution. Here,

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01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough for him to take the documents, it

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01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: wasn't enough for him to take months to turn it over.

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01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: It's that they turned over stuff in January and they

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01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: found there was still stuff missing. More stuff was taken

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01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: in June with the subpoena. They found more stuff was missing.

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01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: When they go back with the search warrant here they've

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: got enough evidence, presumably from these witnesses they reference in

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: the memorandum to seal to indicate documents have been moved,

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01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,879
Speaker 1: They've been relocated. They're not just in the storage room anymore.

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01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: And sure enough, when they execute the search warrant, lo

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01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: and behold, they find documents in other locations. They find

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01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: the classified documents in Donald Trump's personal office in the

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01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: closet of the bedroom. That's not where they were told

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01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: to be, even if the extent they were still there,

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be locked up in the storage room.

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01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: So that rises the issue to that of concealment, of

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01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: resisting efforts to properly recover these documents. That's why I believe,

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01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: and this again just my pure personal opinion based off

1619
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: professional experience, but why I believe there will be an

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01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: indictment in this case unless something else changes between now

1621
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: and the final decision on that. So there was not

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: a whole whole lot new that was revealed in the saffadavit.

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01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: As you put it, it was sort of confirmation of

1624
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 1: some of the reporting that has been out there already.

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01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: But a lot of people did note this line about

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01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: how they expected to find probable cause of they expected

1627
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: to find evidence of obstruction. Do you think that that's

1628
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: sort of what they were looking for, the fact that

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 1: the documents had been moved and weren't in the original

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: location where they were meant to be. That that sort

1631
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: of demonstrated there was an intent to conceal these items. Yes, absolutely,

1632
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: And we know from the media reporting that in addition

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01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: to the witnesses there have been surveillance videos that were

1634
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: subpoena and from the Trump organization that cover that part

1635
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 1: of mar A Lago. Presumably that's what was being relied

1636
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: upon by the government here as part of their obstruction

1637
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: argument that they have proof beyond just the witnesses, but

1638
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: they have video proof of boxes coming in and out

1639
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: of boxes being relocated, of documents being relocated. That's why

1640
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is in trouble. And it bears to mention

1641
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: here we know this amount of information in a way

1642
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: that you don't really never know pre indictment problem cause

1643
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: Affidavid's virtually never get unsealed until there's already an indictment.

1644
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 1: We have what we have at this point, and it's

1645
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, admittedly still minor, but we have what we

1646
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: have because of the public interest in this case, because

1647
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: it's a former prece. Generally speaking, this kind of transparency

1648
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 1: never occurs. Yeah, it's interesting also, like, as you said,

1649
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: you know you almost never get that. Now, in terms

1650
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: of the pushback from the Trump administration, what lines of

1651
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: defense can you anticipate working at a legal level should

1652
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: an indictment proceed, if any, given what we've seen from

1653
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: their statements going forward. Sure, so there's going to be

1654
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: a couple. One is going to be that he had

1655
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: designated these documents as personal records. He's going to rely

1656
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: and this is where Tom Fitten Judicial Watch come into play,

1657
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: because they keeps citing this twenty twelve case. He's going

1658
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: to claim that all this got redesignated as personal They're

1659
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 1: under the Presidential Records Act. Therefore there was no authority

1660
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: at all to ever go after it. No one can

1661
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: reclassify it under that statue. Of course, no evidence has

1662
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: been produced that he ever took such action, No documentation

1663
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: no letters, no memorandum, no affidavits, nothing has been produced

1664
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: to corroborate that. And the same goes with this issue

1665
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: about whether or not Donald Trump d classified everything. The

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: government preemptively addressed this. The included Cash Betel's Breitbart article

1667
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: from May in which he goes on record publicly saying,

1668
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: all this was declassified already. I was in the room

1669
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: when it was all declassified. Where's the evidence, Where's the proof?

1670
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: They've provided nothing to corroborate this assertion. Those are the

1671
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: two critical ones up front. They'll also bring up, you know,

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01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: bad faith prosecution, you know, selective political aims. That's been

1673
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: tried before, over and over go. Ask Steve Bannon how

1674
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: well those arguments work. It never goes anywhere. So let

1675
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: me ask you about one of the sort of like

1676
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: competing analyzes here from Alan Dershowitz, who at times has

1677
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: sort of sided with some of the Trump legal analysis.

1678
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: He basically says that yes, they have enough to indict him,

1679
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: but that they shouldn't and he doesn't think that they

1680
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: will because it would fail to meet what he called

1681
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: the Nixon and Clinton tests, the former being the new

1682
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: to establish broad bipartisan support. We actually have an element

1683
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: for this we can put up on the screen, and

1684
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 1: the latter being a demonstration that Trump's conduct is material

1685
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: materially worse than Hillary Clinton's own past mishandling of classified information.

1686
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: So he's basically saying, like, look, if this was regular citizen, yeah,

1687
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: probably gets indicted. But because it's a former president doesn't

1688
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: meet this what he describes as the Nixon and the

1689
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: Clinton test. What do you make of that argument? Yeah,

1690
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: So it'll be fascinating if there is ultimately an indictment

1691
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump to stand before the judge, the judge says,

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01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: how do you plead, sir, and he goes, I plead,

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Speaker 1: but Clinton, your honor, Okay, this isn't gonna work. One.

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01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: The Nixon standard was political. Of course, they needed to

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01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: be bip bipartisan consensus. They were trying to impeach and

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01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 1: convict a sitting president. This is an impeachment, this is

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01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: a criminal matter. The views of the public are specifically

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01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: not supposed to be taken in consideration. It's supposed to

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01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: be the enforcement of the rule of law, not playing

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01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: to political polling. The Clinton standard. You know, I keep

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: seeing this, and I saw I think was Senator Cornyin

1702
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: was publishing and was posting an obed from The Wall

1703
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: Street Journal saying, well, if they didn't do it for Clinton,

1704
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: why would they do it for Trump. It's two very

1705
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 1: different scenarios, and I get why in the mix of

1706
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: all this in the twenty four to seven media environment,

1707
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: people aren't necessarily catching the nuance. Hillary Clinton's problem was

1708
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: that there was spillage that people from their unclassified government

1709
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: accounts were emailing her personal account, which of course was unclassified,

1710
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 1: and within those emails, which were not marked as classified,

1711
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: within those emails, people let classified information spill into it.

1712
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: They said more than they should have, but they could

1713
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: never prove intent on Hillary's part to create a system

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01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: designed to send or receive classified information. They found she

1715
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: was reckless. I said at the time, her staff probably

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01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: would never get clearances again. But there was no evidence

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01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: of the intent for the relevant statutory provision. That's not

1718
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: in play for Donald Trump. These are properly marked classified documents.

1719
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: They've got the top secret markings on the headers and

1720
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: the footers. It says things like HCS for human intelligence,

1721
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: it says things like SI for Signals intelligence. There's no dispute,

1722
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: there's no doubt these things were marked and anyone seeing

1723
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: them should have known this was classified information. That's what

1724
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: distinguishes it from the Hillary Clinton saga. And because it's

1725
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: also under a different statutory provision because it's the espionageac

1726
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: the intent is irrelevant. He had the documents, he was

1727
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: totally couldn't have him, and he didn't turn them back over.

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01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: End of discussion. Yeah, So, in my opinion, regardless of

1729
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: how you feel about the Hillary Clinton situation, the fact

1730
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: that one elite got off the hook doesn't mean that

1731
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: all elites in perpetuity should also get off the hook.

1732
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, that's why that standard fails. But

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01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, let me ask you, and I tend to

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01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: be more on your side on these issues, but I

1735
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: want to play devil's advocate here. There are a lot

1736
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: of people who say, listen, it's different when you're talking

1737
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: about a former president, when you're talking about someone who

1738
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: was popularly elected, talk about someone who has a massive

1739
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: base where there are concerns about, you know, sort of

1740
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: dividing the country apart, and obviously Trump's allies playing that

1741
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: concern up. Lindsay Graham on the shows over the weekend,

1742
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: saying that there will be riots in the street if

1743
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Trump is ultimately prosecuted. So what would you say to

1744
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: people who say it should be considered there should be

1745
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: a different standard for if you're talking about a former president,

1746
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: because we ultimately have a democratic process to adjudicate these things.

1747
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: And the real answer and real response to Donald Trump

1748
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: and his crimes is to defeat him in the election system. Yeah,

1749
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: So my response is that should absolutely be a consideration,

1750
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: of course when deciding whether or not to move forward

1751
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: within that I mean, you have to consider the politics,

1752
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: of course, but it should not be the final that

1753
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: is positive factor. There should not be a separate standard

1754
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: that anybody of particular political importance cannot be held accountable

1755
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: under the laws under our criminal provisions, just like any

1756
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: other citizen. Hillary Clinton should not have been above the law.

1757
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: That's why she was investigated. You didn't see Democrats saying

1758
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: we're going to riot in the streets if Hillary Clinton

1759
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 1: is indicted, And just like that, Donald Trump should be

1760
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: properly investigated here and if an indictment is warranted, if

1761
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: the facts and the law meet the crime, that's the

1762
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: job of the Justice Department there to prosecute that case

1763
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: without regard for whether or not it is politically popular.

1764
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: If Donald Trump has a viable legal defense, he can

1765
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: put that forward before the court just like any other citizen.

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01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: He shouldn't get a special privilege. Yeah, well, it's going

1767
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how to play out. Always

1768
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: appreciate your analysis, Brad. Thanks for coming back to the show.

1769
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Not a problem anytime, absolutely, man. Thank you guys so

1770
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 1: much for watching. We really appreciate it. It's always fun

1771
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: in order to do this show and listen, it's a

1772
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,879
Speaker 1: privilege every single day. We've got great stuff in the pipeline.

1773
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: Literally right after we wrap here, we have a very

1774
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: big and exciting announcement, not just new live show dates,

1775
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: but some interesting new developments which is only only enabled

1776
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: by our premium subscribers. You guys are the ones who

1777
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: fund our abilities. To all of those who stepped up

1778
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 1: from the monthly to the yearly, you're literally the reason

1779
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: why we're able to do what we're going to announce

1780
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: very very soon, and of course you will be the

1781
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: very first to find out. So for those of you

1782
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: who help us out, I just can't thank you enough.

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Speaker 1: you guys see you all tomorrow.