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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 1: ESPN nine to seventy are live ongoing coverage from Steelers

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Speaker 1: training camp here at Saint Vincent College. We've got a

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Speaker 1: few more days of these training camps, many not many,

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Speaker 1: but there are a few more on the docket here,

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Speaker 1: so we will continue to bring you all the information.

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Speaker 1: And the Steelers just wrapping up practice here a little

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Speaker 1: bit ago here, a couple of minutes ago before the break.

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Speaker 1: And now we see a lot of players out there

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Speaker 1: working on some stuff here. And make note that Kendrick

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Speaker 1: Green is out there working on his long snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Is that Broderck Jones with

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Speaker 2: his shirt off practice and left tackle stuff? I assume

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Speaker 2: so my eyes are family MAF. I'm looking here to

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Speaker 2: see on the twenty five yard line.

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Speaker 1: I guess Spencer Anderson working with Isaac sam Malo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Over the other side, Yeah, that is Broderick Jones

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Speaker 2: over there working with Davis assumes so. But yeah, he

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Speaker 2: sure looks the part. He looks like. He looks like

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Speaker 2: a mid first round pick to me. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: know he's getting a lot of extra work in. He

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Speaker 2: got a ton of work in at the game, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, played a lot of snaps. I thought he

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Speaker 2: had a good practice. I thought he had a good

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Speaker 2: game too. I know he let up a sack, but

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Speaker 2: I'm quite happy with where we're at with proder Jones.

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Speaker 1: Again, as I made a note earlier, you know, the

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Speaker 1: sack that he gave up came probably in about his

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Speaker 1: forty eighth snap in the game, and very hart and

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Speaker 1: not that you're not going to play games like that

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Speaker 1: in the regular season. Difficult, not to that extreme though,

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Speaker 1: As I made mention that was this the second hottest

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Speaker 1: game in Steelers history.

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Speaker 2: Right, good point. He had played more snaps than probably

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Speaker 2: anyone on the field. I didn't, you know, study the

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Speaker 2: Buck snap counts, but yeah, I was going to say

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Speaker 2: along those lines. Yeah, And I thought the protection for

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Speaker 2: about three quarters was exceptional, you know, and at the

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Speaker 2: end it looked like they were wearing down a little

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Speaker 2: bit and you know, struggling a little bit. But the

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Speaker 2: end of the game, a game like that, I don't

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Speaker 2: put a whole lot of stock in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: And ten of the bucks seventeen points came in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I mean that I saw what I wanted

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me at all now that that was

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Speaker 1: the case. You know, it's a preseason game. Stuff like

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen. You're going to your third string

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna let some stuff up. I thought that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the top units went out and did what

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Speaker 1: they were supposed to do. They got in, they got out,

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Speaker 1: they got out of it healthy for the most part. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, there weren't any injuries. Obviously, Chipell Russell was

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Speaker 1: one that.

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Speaker 2: Well he was.

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Speaker 1: Placed on injuries or released injured today.

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Speaker 2: You know that's unfortunate for him. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: he flashed at times, he waved injured that you know,

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Speaker 1: You can bring that guy back. Yeah, after the you

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Speaker 1: know Africots or whatever. Right, if you just wave the

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Speaker 1: guy come and say, well, we did an injury settlement

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Speaker 1: with him and you know you're probably not bringing that

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Speaker 1: guy back, it tells me, you know, Chappell Russell did

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Speaker 2: I would say maybe I just want to get him to

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Speaker 2: camp next year, you know, yeah, right, and with the

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Speaker 2: intention of, hey, I know you're banged up, you did

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Speaker 2: some good things here, would love you have you, but

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Speaker 2: back next year giving a shot. Who knows what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Standouts from the game, Matt lots, really a lot.

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Speaker 1: I thought that the second string line of lel Loud

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Speaker 1: Were they had penetrate Benton you know, had in particular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in pretty overwhelming fashion too, I mean, either

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Speaker 2: running through people snap after snap. After you mentioned so,

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Speaker 2: I thought he was tremendous. That whole group was really good.

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Speaker 2: Her Big I think you have to mention as well.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about, you know, guys on the defensive front. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought you played really well. I mean there was

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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, I thought that they really just kind of

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Speaker 2: I thought they utterly did utterly.

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Speaker 1: We'll see a much different situation, you know. I think

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Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, I expect this offense to

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Speaker 2: go out and move the football well, and I expect

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Speaker 2: the defense to go out there and represent itself well,

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Speaker 2: very much so. And I don't know what the plan

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Speaker 2: is so quick question. When I saw you last you know,

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Speaker 2: before you got on the plane and stuff, it sounded

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Speaker 2: as though coach wanted to play everybody that was healthy,

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Speaker 1: And I know like Porter had a kaff.

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Speaker 2: Or an ankle. You know, he didn't get string. Hampster

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Speaker 2: is at hamstring. Okay, But all of a sudden, Cam

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Speaker 2: Hayward and Watt and some of these stars decide was

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Speaker 2: that a last last minute situation.

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Speaker 1: I think he knows going into it, like when when

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Speaker 1: we talked to him two days before the game, which

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Speaker 1: is how that works. He has He said at the

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Speaker 1: press conference, Look, I haven't given a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: thought yet to the game. I want. Oh, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that, but I won't do that until after practice.

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Speaker 1: As of right now, everybody who is healthy is scheduled

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Speaker 2: I remember him saying that now as of right now,

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Speaker 2: right right right, So change my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets, you know, so that's the situation where

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Speaker 1: worth it? Is it worth it in this situation? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: I guess some other guys that want to see here.

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Speaker 2: I was happy you didn't see those guys, to be

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Speaker 2: very honest with you.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when the original press conference was held,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of panic, you know, from stealing for Oh,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he's got to play all these guys.

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Speaker 1: Basically he played the entire first string offense.

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Speaker 2: Plate. Yes, but that would be that's what you would

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Speaker 2: expect because they're also young. Because are so young, there's

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Speaker 2: not a Camwoard on that side of there's no Cam

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Speaker 2: you don't need to like Cam. Hey what you didn't

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Speaker 2: need to play makeup fitz Patrick. He didn't need to

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Speaker 2: Those are the three and maybe I would have thought

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Speaker 2: they were going to they played him, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: They weren't going to run the ball with it. He

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Speaker 1: got one catch just to kind of okay, go out.

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Speaker 2: Did your first series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, now you're now you can come back

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna bring that up too. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it was an accident that they did not hand

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Speaker 1: No, it was not. That was planned. Guy, That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Interesting note there from the Buffalo Bills. Damar Hamlin made

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Speaker 1: his in the field, but back of the field had

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Speaker 1: three tackles in that game for the Bills the other

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Speaker 1: day against the Colts. That's a good side.

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Speaker 2: That's just that's that's just a great story. It's a

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Speaker 2: great story they played. I hate to say this because

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Speaker 2: this is how cool. It's just the only it's just

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Speaker 2: a great example of how brutal the NFL is.

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Speaker 1: He might not make the team, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, that's a tremendous story. Everyone in the

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Speaker 2: world's rooting for him. Was great to see him out there.

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Speaker 2: But he's not like guaranteed a roster spot.

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Speaker 1: But probably he probably doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He was the third safety last year, right and they

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Speaker 2: had some safety injuries. He's a good player, but that's

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Speaker 2: how Matthew this game is is. I mean, he probably

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Speaker 2: makes the team, but it's not a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: Just looking here at the Bills stats from that game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, James Cook cut food.

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Speaker 2: Did they play I haven't watched they played the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, looking for their quarterbacks that's here. Know how much

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Speaker 1: Alan played they get the rushing I'm looking here in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I'd go to ESPN NFL the strangest website in the world.

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Speaker 1: I've got my my little cheat code here with that stuff.

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Speaker 1: The NFL's n G I S whatever it is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it gives you get the full I can get the

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Speaker 1: full game book in there. But yeah, I'll be interested

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Speaker 1: to see how much uh Sean McDermott plays those guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking here at the starters for the Colts or

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Speaker 1: for the Bills, Davis Sherfield, Dawkins, McGovern morse. I mean

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Speaker 1: they started their guys. Yeah, they started their guys, but

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Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't take so yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking here to see that the first what

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Speaker 2: I got that one on the DVR or you know,

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Speaker 1: Let's see here. So the first first quarter, Colts got

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Speaker 1: and then they punched it in from there. The Bills

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Speaker 1: first team offense then came back out for a second series.

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Speaker 1: Allen was out there. They went three and out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he played two series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to play well again, I'm the league's

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Speaker 2: so different now with three games and you know more,

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Speaker 2: is that the only time Allen will see the field?

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Speaker 2: You know, happy we saw two series and then shut

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Speaker 2: know after the third game that there's basically a bye week.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a ton of college football and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, So, I mean you could look at

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Speaker 2: it like, should he play because he has more time

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Speaker 2: to heal if he were to tweak something, or if

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Speaker 2: you're only play in week one of preseason.

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Speaker 1: That's a long wait. It's a long time. That's a month.

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Speaker 2: It's a long way.

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Speaker 1: If you think about the Steelers opener is September tenth,

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Speaker 1: and they played their preseason.

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Speaker 2: Opener on the eleventh or something like that, you're not

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Speaker 2: gonna You're not gonna have guys sit that long, no,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tollin was asked about that at his press conference

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Speaker 1: last week, you know, if he's come up with a

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Speaker 1: plan yep for how to handle the three game pre season,

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Speaker 1: because if you remember the first year of the three

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game. Oh right, so they really

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Speaker 1: did first with three. Last year was last year? Last

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Speaker 2: I don't think people have definitive plans like they used

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Speaker 1: I think they play this like they typically played their

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Speaker 2: That's what I was leaning towards two. Is like you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, your returning Pro Bowl quarterback did not play

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Speaker 1: Matt, I thought it interesting.

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Speaker 2: This isn't like revealing secrets. But I didn't see as

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Speaker 1: It was very Again, I think that's smart.

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Speaker 2: I think they're not game planning.

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Speaker 2: We did see some run plays, moving.

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Speaker 1: No, that was not the Steeler offense.

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Speaker 2: Because I as a hole, I got several tweets saying, Matt,

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Speaker 2: get these plays on to our belt. Execute him against

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I mean you're not going to show

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Speaker 2: Did it. I mean, I assume you wouldn't have a

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Speaker 1: Know, Johnson wasn't running any design quarterback runs or anything

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Speaker 1: To me, the idea was you didn't have the penalties,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that Tampa did. Tampa had.

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Speaker 1: A play of fifteen or more yards for McFarland. Well,

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Speaker 2: He would have scored from fifty easily, he would have

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have Ben Roethlisberger's arm, No, but I don't

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Speaker 2: Either, too. Yeah, I think it's a good arm and

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Speaker 2: I don't care if he wears gloves. No, I don't

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Speaker 2: I mean you added Calvin Austin to it. If any

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Speaker 2: looks like Anthony McFarland's going to.

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Speaker 1: Have a role. Hayward's going to have an increased role. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: head Washington to the equation.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to come off the field when you put

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Speaker 2: these guys on, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that was always my argument when

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Speaker 1: people would talk about, well we need to see more

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Speaker 1: of of Derek Watt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're gonna put Derek Watt on the field, somebody,

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Speaker 2: somebody has to come off, and so you're taking in

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Speaker 2: that case, and this is nothing against Derek Watt.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm putting I'm putting Derek Watt on the

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Speaker 1: field and taking Deontay Johnson off the field, or taking

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Speaker 1: George Pickens off the field, that's a win for the defense.

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Speaker 2: Right it is. It's and that's a good point because

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Speaker 2: it's much different than last year where you took Sims

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Speaker 2: or Gunner off the field post Claypool trade or Gentry

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Speaker 2: you know, like, Okay, I mean, those guys aren't difference makers.

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Speaker 2: Scare the heck out of defensive coordinators, you know, where

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Speaker 2: Austin trotting out there. Okay, we gotta you're not like that,

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Speaker 2: you know, right, all right, we gotta be aware.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, or Hayward coming out. Okay, we gotta

462
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Speaker 1: make sure we know where he's lining up at, you

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Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, running backs aside, because they're never gonna

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Speaker 2: play a super high percentage of snaps. Deontay Pickens, Claypool

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Speaker 2: when he was here, Gentry Friarmouth and then Sims slash

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Speaker 2: Gunner played pretty much all your you know, snaps, and

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Speaker 2: three or four of those guys aren't difference makers. Where

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Speaker 2: if you can turn that into Austin hay Word Robinson, Washington,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, I really like where you're at. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean Washington is a matchup problem big time. I

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Speaker 2: mean you have you just have guys who are different.

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Speaker 2: Washington and Heyward couldn't be any more different. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Have to you're probably defending those guys differently if you're

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Speaker 1: the opposing.

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Speaker 2: Defense, so you might have the same personnel on the

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Speaker 2: field defensively, you know what I mean. So interesting, No,

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Speaker 2: it's a good spot.

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Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be back with more right

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Speaker 1: after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson, and this is the drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy.

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Speaker 1: Is a little drone flying out. I assume the drone

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Speaker 1: is for the Steelers dot com people to kind of

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Speaker 1: get some aerial shots of the guys signing autographs down

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Speaker 1: here below us. Yeah, see Broderick Jones down there with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of fans signing down here.

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Speaker 2: I think Porter is as well, real close.

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Speaker 1: So the top two rookies there, Yeah, some work in Matt.

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Speaker 1: He's Matt Williamson. I'm Dan Lully. By the way, looking here,

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Speaker 1: Mike Clay put out a thing with ranking twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three NFL position group rankings the best and worst team

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Speaker 1: units at each position here. Yeah, it does good work,

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Speaker 1: he does, And so I thought we'd take a look.

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Speaker 2: Here, despite being from the wrong side of the state.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, looking at the quarterback rankings and he's

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Speaker 1: looking at the entire.

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Speaker 2: Room right room. Yeah, but I would assume you weigh.

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Speaker 1: The starter the starter obviously wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he has.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City number one, Buffalo number two, Cincinnati three, followed

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Speaker 1: by Philadelphia, the Chargers, the Ravens, the Jets, Jacksonville, Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: Dallas put to Shawn Watson right now ahead of not

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Speaker 1: over Dak Yeah, I'm not either.

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Speaker 2: No. I also think it's a little rich for Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know Marioti is a backup, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't carry much weight to me.

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Speaker 1: Great last I watched him last night. He wasn't great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was bad last year, the Steelers coming at twenty

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Speaker 1: third on that ranking. But as we look at this,

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Speaker 1: he has his best unit Kansas City. His shakiest unit

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Speaker 1: is Washington.

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Speaker 2: Which I understand, right. I think shakest unit's actually Tampa.

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Speaker 2: His unit to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers roh okay good.

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Speaker 1: He says year two is a breakout season for quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and Kenny Pickett was the only quarterback selected in the

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Speaker 1: first round of twenty twenty two. The pitt product underwhelmed

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think so, right, But that's been the case.

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Speaker 1: For many quarterbacks who went on to emerge as good

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Speaker 1: the great pro starters. The Pittsburgh offense was better than

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Speaker 1: the scoreboard suggested last season eighteenth in EPA, and added

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Speaker 1: some upgrades during the offseasons, such as guard Isaac Samalu

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Speaker 1: and wide receiver Alan Robbinson.

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Speaker 2: The second yeah, I think it's definitely one. Did he

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Speaker 2: say he's one to watch?

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Speaker 1: Is that how he's one unit to watch to watch?

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Speaker 2: That's well said, except for I didn't think he underwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: But Clay's also a fantasy guy, and he's looking he

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Speaker 2: was underwhelming fantasy wise, right right right.

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Speaker 1: At running back.

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Speaker 2: He's got San Francisco number one, Atlanta number two. I'm

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Speaker 2: a bijon fan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're ready to take that kind of jump though,

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Speaker 1: that that's going to be.

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Speaker 2: The number two and number two. I mean they got

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Speaker 2: I was year in those guys too. It's a pretty

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Speaker 2: deep room. I get it, Okay, I mean that's pretty rich.

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Speaker 2: He's got Detroit three, who was one again? San Francisco? Okay,

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Speaker 2: I would have Cleveland probably ahead of Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Detroit three, Tennessee four, green Bay five. That's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Detroit and Green Bay. He's putting a

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Speaker 2: fair amount of credit in the number two guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Seattle six, same Cleveland seven.

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Speaker 2: They're just hurting on the number two guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Indianapolis eight.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Taylor's me a coult this year.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers are ninth, the Giants are tenth. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: come in at sixteenth on that list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put him middle of the road, may

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Speaker 2: be slightly above. Here's some of the teams that were

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Speaker 2: in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas eleven, New Orleans twelve. Excuse me, Jacksonville thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I'd put him ahead of Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: I would too. I'm not a big ATM believer. Jacobs

564
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Speaker 2: just had a monster year for the Raiders, but their

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Speaker 2: depth isn't great. The Jets are fourteenth, the Patriots fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: That's the neighborhood i'd be. You know, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to fight him too much on that. I'm not big

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Speaker 2: on Jacksonville, but I do like tank bigs week. The

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Speaker 2: best is the San Francisco obviously the shakiest Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 2: They could be shakiest in both categories so far. By

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Speaker 2: the way, unit to watch is Detroit makes sense. I'm

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Speaker 2: curious how many touches Gibbs gets per game. Montgomery's also

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Speaker 2: not a bad receiver, as you would expect. Gibbs's practice

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Speaker 2: reports have been great. But yeah, that's what a two

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Speaker 2: hundred bound back. They catch the ball Farland type, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, receiver, wide receiver. His top unit is Cincinnati number two,

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Speaker 1: Seattle three, Miami four, Philadelphia five, Dallas, six is the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: seven is Tampa Bay, eighth is Las Vegas, ninth, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: tenth Washington.

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Speaker 2: Those guys all have more than one, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. They all have some depth, good twos in

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Speaker 2: some cases really intriguing threes, like the Chargers in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Even Washington has three pretty good ones. You know. I

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Speaker 2: think mclaurin's a star. That's fine, that's fine. I think

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Speaker 2: the Steelers should be shortly after those.

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Speaker 1: They come in at fifteenth. Looking at the rest of

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Speaker 1: the division, I don't know if I agree with this

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Speaker 1: ranking for Baltimore seventeenth pretty rich.

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Speaker 2: I would have the Steelers set in the division.

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Speaker 1: He has them ahead of the Saints. The Browns are

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Speaker 1: at nineteen, the Bills are twenty. Now, I know the

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Speaker 1: Bills are very top heavy.

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Speaker 2: With that guy the are, but it's a good one.

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Speaker 1: They're one guys like yeah, and that's on four or

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Speaker 1: five receivers in the league.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say they about Miami too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're top heavy, but with two guys they should be

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Speaker 2: really high. But the rest of their pass catchers in

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Speaker 2: general or worry me.

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Speaker 1: He is Tennessee is twenty one.

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Speaker 2: That's too rich, that's too I'm not sure Hopkins. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying he's not good anymore, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: that he's going to be the same. Hopkins I think

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Speaker 2: be okay even.

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Speaker 1: Without Jamison Williams. I'll take Detroit's wide receivers over Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I think would kill for all same broh, he's a

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Speaker 1: second clear number one.

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Speaker 2: I just don't. I'm just really worried about the other

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Speaker 2: Lions receivers right now. I mean, once Williams is there,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine. But I'm shocked they didn't

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Speaker 2: get Hopkins or somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the same token, the Rams are all the way

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Speaker 2: down to twenty fifth with Cooper Cup and then got one.

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Speaker 2: But they're counting on like Pooka Nakula and guys like that.

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Speaker 1: That keeps at twenty six on that list.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Chiefs are twenty They could be. They

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Speaker 2: could be thirty second. Who are the last couple three?

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Speaker 1: You get the Giants at thirty, the Texans at thirty one,

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta at thirty two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have a problem did and everybody

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Speaker 2: else but those last two at least did a lot.

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Speaker 2: Houston and the Giants have a lot more options than

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Speaker 2: they did. They only have any of the stars.

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Speaker 1: Like Chicago is right ahead of the Steelers at fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean DJ Moore would probably be my first pick

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Speaker 2: in that draft. Okay, but the next two, three for sure,

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Speaker 2: and probably three maybe four. Yeah, I mean Mooney versus Austin.

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Speaker 2: I mean I have Mooney over Claypool.

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Speaker 1: It's a conversation. Yeah, yeah, it's a conversation. He has

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Speaker 1: his best unit Cincinnati worst shakiest is at Lanta unit

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Speaker 1: to watch. He has a Seattle who he has He

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Speaker 1: already has number two on his list.

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Speaker 2: O Smith the Jigboa played the other night, and that's

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Speaker 2: three or four catches. I watched that one and I

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Speaker 2: Metcalf and Lockett are very different. That's a great group

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Speaker 2: at tight end. Kansas City number one, Baltimore number two, Okay,

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Speaker 2: San Francisco three. This isn't fantasy. I would actually have

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Speaker 2: San Francis good too. I think Kittles is a tremendous player.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is four, Okay, the Giants are fifth.

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00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Waller, there's a bit of a question mark, but I

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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Atlanta sixth, the Steelers seventh. Yeah, that's the right neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: New England eighth, Yeah, I mean they.

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Speaker 2: Have guys got star I was gonna say about Steelers

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Speaker 2: those I like the Steelers depth better than most of

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Speaker 2: those teams.

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Speaker 1: With any of those teams, yeah, it might be the

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Speaker 1: deepest night in the league, right. Arizona's ninth, Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Tenth, arizonas I'm McBride and it's okay. In Buffalo ten, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean one's the first round pick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In Dawson, Knox's the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's solid. Who's at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at Miami at thirty two, Yeah, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee is thirty one.

657
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Speaker 2: No, Chig's good. Get Higgy with it, man, I'm a

658
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Chig believer.

659
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is thirtieth. Yeah, looking at the rest of the

660
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: division are of course, Baltimore was second. Yeah, the Steelers

661
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: coming at seven, Cleveland comes it comes in at thirteen.

662
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds about right, and then you got Cincinnati

663
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: done at thirty, which is well earned, well earned. Yeah,

664
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean I think Erv Smith could have a mini

665
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: breakout if he stays healthy, right, but you would have

666
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: to have the same yeah with every year for Smith. Yeah. Yeah.

667
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: The best unit Kansas City, worst shakiest is Miami. The

668
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: unit to watch is Atlanta. Of course, we're still waiting

669
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: for that Pitt's breakout. I'm a believer, but we'll see.

670
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: You need some help offensive line. Okay, it's a big one.

671
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I know the Steelers like ten or eleven.

672
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So he has Philly number one, yes, Cleveland number two, Yes,

673
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's still number two. I think

674
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: they're going the wrong way though. Some of those, like

675
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: the Conklings of the world, aren't quite what they used

676
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: to be.

677
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Detroit is three.

678
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: I out of Detroit over Cleveland, I would too, now

679
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: I think about it.

680
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: Kansas City is four. I would also have the Chiefs

681
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: over Cleveland. Baltimore is five.

682
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people have them, and I don't see it.

683
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't see it either. I mean, Linderbaum's second half

684
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: of the season is much better than the first. Stanley

685
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: started to look like Stanley, which we've talked about a

686
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: million times, is absolutely crucial for them.

687
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: The rest of the group I think is okay, Yeah,

688
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: it's nothing right, Yeah.

689
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: I really think. I mean, this is a really good

690
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: O line division and Cleveland be one for me, But

691
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: the other three are similar. Yeah, it's delineation he has

692
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: between them.

693
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: But Dallas is sixth, Minnesota seventh, Minnesota seventh.

694
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: Their tackles are really good, the inside tires.

695
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: BA Atlanta is eighth. I have Atlanta over.

696
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: Five spots Hire Man, especially because they're st going to

697
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: run the ball. The Chargers are ninth when healthy. Yeah,

698
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: the Broncos are tenth. Only about Denver. I don't believe

699
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: in Garrett Bowles. I thought they overspent for McGlinchey. Yeah,

700
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's okay, I mean I get it.

701
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: The Steelers coming at fifteenth. They're also behind New England,

702
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Chicago, Chicago.

703
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, even New England. I wouldn't say the Raiders. Is

704
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: he out of his mind? No, Raiders are bottom ten?

705
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get that at all.

706
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: And then Pittsburgh, Okay, I like his top ten. I

707
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: don't like those last ones you just mentioned above.

708
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: The Steelers Cincinnati comes in at nineteenth.

709
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, frankly, I'd have the Bengals over the Raiders

710
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: and definitely have the Steelers over the Rates. The Steelers

711
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: probably the second best line in the league, in the division.

712
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: I think so as well. Yeah, I don't see it

713
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: with Baltimore. Cincinnati is better. Yeah, give than that. I

714
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: think Cleveland is, to your point, is declining. I think

715
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Detroit's line is better. I think Kansas City's line is better.

716
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta's line is better than them.

717
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, agreed? Who is the Titans last?

718
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee is dead last fall preceded by Jacksonville, the Rams

719
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: in Washington.

720
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 2: Rams is pretty rough. Washington's pretty rough. Yeah, Jackson has

721
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: some questions, especially with the suspension. If their offense doesn't

722
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: humt it's going to because the out line he has

723
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: the unit to watch here. San Francisco, it's intriguing. I mean,

724
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: there's one guy that's the best of anyone we're gonna mention,

725
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: but then there's a four questions.

726
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you have them ranked? Overall? San Francisco

727
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: is be like twenty sixth.

728
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I was like, yeah, I was about to say

729
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: like twenty.

730
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: Fourth ish with the best left tackle in the league, right.

731
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, they had all those picks and didn't they

732
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: took a kicker first. I mean I thought they'd definitely

733
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: take a third round card or something like that. So

734
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 2: real quick on the Niners, because we're going to talk

735
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: about that. I mean, obviously they're the first opponent too.

736
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Williams is just going to be him and Heigsmith. They're

737
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: going to play batty cake. I mean, that's that's a

738
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: tough matchup for Heismith, of course, but those other four

739
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: are a bunch of no name dudes. And there's become

740
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: a real trend in these Shanahan offenses, like they It's

741
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: where I'm going with this is they often talk about

742
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: Shanahan's offense being very O line friendly. I can just

743
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: kind of throw out dudes, and because the scheme I

744
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: get away with it. That's great. In the run game

745
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: gets your quarterback hit a lot between them and in

746
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: the Dolphins they went through eight quarterbacks last year. Yeah, yeah,

747
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy hasn't stayed healthy in the Niner uniform. Ever, Lance

748
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: can't get on to stay on the field, you know,

749
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: party gets hurt. I mean, like this system is getting

750
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: quarterbacks hurt, and I think it's because they don't value

751
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: lineman enough. They also don't like the max protect Maybe

752
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: they don't value the quarterbacks very much either. Well, maybe

753
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, just revolve them.

754
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't put anybody in the right interior defensive line.

755
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Number one is the Giants.

756
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: Wonder Williams is a name we don't bring up, but

757
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Lawrence is really strong.

758
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Number two forty nine, Ers, Number three Atlanta, Atlanta.

759
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean Buckner and Campbell or not Buckner Garrett

760
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: and Jarrett and Campbell.

761
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, Miami, Washington, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh at eight,

762
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: followed by Buffalo, washingnesse top three.

763
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're two stars. They're not superstars with

764
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: two stars. What's the division? Steelers you said were like, Steelers.

765
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: Are eighth, The Bengals our seventh. Steelers are eighth.

766
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 2: Cleveland is sixteenth, but they were they had been thirty

767
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: second for me last year.

768
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: Baltimore is twenty fourth.

769
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: Baltimore's problematic up front.

770
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not great. Who's at the dead last at

771
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: the bottom is Chicago at thirty, the Raiders at thirty one,

772
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: Arizona at thirty two, they're all dread horrendous.

773
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really bad.

774
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: Dallas all the way down at twenty seven.

775
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Oh, that's harsh.

776
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: His unit to watch is the Atlanta Falcons, who he

777
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: had rated third.

778
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't quite get that.

779
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett and Kalias Campbell. Campbell's thirty six years old.

780
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: He's not going to play a ton of snaps. He's

781
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: not and he's okay. And then David on Yamada, I

782
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: forgot about.

783
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: On your mona. He's a quality player. That's a good

784
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: number two. Ish, that's still too high.

785
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me that Grady Jarrett cancels out Cam Hayward.

786
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm not believing that at all. Yeah, Jared's been

787
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: classically underrated for his whole career, but he's starting to

788
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: decrease too. Yeah.

789
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: Edge Rusher number one, Pittsburgh good.

790
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: I think they should be number two.

791
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: The Chargers number three, the Cowboys. Fourth is Cleveland, fifth

792
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: is Philadelphia.

793
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: I assume they're calling Parsons and Edge. Yeah, I would hope.

794
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Philadelphia at fifth, Miami sixth, the Raiders seventh, Buffalo eight,

795
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Washington nine, and Detroit ten.

796
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: Those are all really good groups. Yeah, I don't know

797
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: if I'd put the Lions with that group that they're

798
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: easily the one might that might be putting the cart

799
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: before the horses. Yeah. Yeah. The Bengals come in at thirteen, okay,

800
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: and Baltimore comes in at twenty six.

801
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: They'd be low twenty sixth Where were the Brownies? The

802
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Browns were fourth, that'd be my top ten.

803
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about four right right right, interesting,

804
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: it was the one to watch.

805
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: The shakiest went outside edge guys. Twenty nine Chicago, thirty

806
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: is Arizona, thirty one Atlanta, and then thirty two is

807
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: the Rams.

808
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: I mean the Bears and Cardinals are in the bottom

809
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: three on both d line categories.

810
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has the unit to watch as the Raiders

811
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker real quick. Here you got San Francisco,

812
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: the Carolina one. Yeah, Chicago at three, Seattle at fo,

813
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: Miami at five, New Orleans at six, Kansas City at seven,

814
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Green Bay at eight, Indianapolis at nine, Baltimore at ten.

815
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are the top groups.

816
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati comes in at eleven.

817
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Steeler's gonna be really low on this one.

818
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Cleveland comes in at eighteen. The Steelers are twentieth.

819
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: I would have bet they were bottom five or six.

820
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: At the bottom is Philadelphia. The Raiders and Rams. Rams

821
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: are bottom feeders and a lot of these things he tackle, He.

822
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Was nice, don everyone else is gonna be Rams at.

823
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: The bottom cornerback got the Jets number one, the Eagles

824
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: number two, Green Bay three, Dallas four, Cleveland five, til Richard, Yeah,

825
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: the Chargers six, Kansas City seven, Buffalo eight, New Orleans nine,

826
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Houston ten.

827
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: I said there was a little rich for Cleveland, but

828
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: those last five don't blow your doors off. They aren't

829
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: really super strong corner teams.

830
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cincinnati comes in at thirteen, the Steelers coming at nineteen.

831
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Where are the Ravens or lower than I'm looking here

832
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: for the Ravens and I'm not seeing them here. Where

833
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: they at Baltimore? Baltimore, Baltimore twenty fifth? Wow? I mean

834
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: that was That's what they've always banked on, and they're

835
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: just not there right now.

836
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: And it's not and Shue interesting from what I understand, Humphrey.

837
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: They want Humphrey to be an outside corner and they

838
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: don't really have a slot right. Yeah. They they're searching, searching,

839
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: and then finally at safety Buffalo one, New Orleans two,

840
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: Tennessee three, Baltimore four, Seattle five, Dallas six, Denver seven,

841
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: Arizona eight, Atlanta nine, Pittsburgh ten. I'm sure he has

842
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: big questions at safety two, you know, the non MINCA safeties,

843
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: which I would understand.

844
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland comes in at fifteenth on that one, and Cincinnati.

845
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: They'll be real low. I mean they have all new guys.

846
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: All the way down at thirty.

847
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 2: Wow, So who are the bottom three or four? Just curious.

848
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: You got Cincinnati at thirty, Philadelphia thirty one, in Indianapolis

849
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: at thirty two overall for the overall roster, the Steelers

850
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: coming at eleventh on this one.

851
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

852
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Wow, Philadelphia won, Buffalo two, the Chargers three, Dallas four,

853
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: Cleveland fifth. I'm not buying that. Since Miami sixth, Kansas

854
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: City seventh, Cincinnati eight.

855
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: I think since he has a better roster than Cleveland.

856
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Jets are nine, Baltimore's tenth, the Steelers eleventh.

857
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: So the entire division is in the top eleven, the

858
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: entire division.

859
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was at least I think there was

860
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: three from the AFC East too. Yeah, to those divisions

861
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: have seven out of the top eleven.

862
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are over Yeah, that was Mike Clay's rankings

863
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 1: on ESPN. He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Lolly.

864
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 1: camp here at Saint Fencing College. We're gonna take another

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Speaker 1: break and we'll be back with more to finish up

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Speaker 1: hour two right after this. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 1: today until six o'clock, but practice ended about an hour ago, now, Matt,

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Speaker 1: and we saw that finish up with two fifty yard

873
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: hurry up at a one thirty eight to score a

874
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: touchdown from the fifty, the first team offense and the

875
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: second team offense both getting the job done in those situations.

876
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett finishes his off with a really nice pass

877
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: to Alan Robinson on a kind of a slant from

878
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: the out of the slot where yeah, he just threw

879
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: it down low where only Robinson could get it, put

880
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: it in between two guys.

881
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: And Robinson's a big guy to get that low and

882
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, contort and.

883
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: Be able to keep the ball off the ground in

884
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: that situation.

885
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: Really nice play by both them. I thought Robinson was

886
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: even nicer, but you're right. I mean Kenny did that

887
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: on purpose. It wasn't like it got away from him.

888
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: That was good drive. He looks very comfortable as he

889
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: did in the game, you know, in control. I think

890
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: he's going to be an exceptional game manager. You know,

891
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: spike it here, you know, all that kind of stuff.

892
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he has a real head for it and

893
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: knack for it. And the second drive was good by

894
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: the offense too.

895
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitch Trubisky finishing that one off to Darnell Washington

896
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: three yards all by himself in the middle of the

897
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: field in the back of the end zone. I don't

898
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: know how you lose track of a six year guy, but.

899
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some kind of play design there that

900
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: fooled the defense. How many touchdowns I know how many

901
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: Kenny threw. How many touchdowns did the Steelers road last year?

902
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: I think it was eleven or twelve?

903
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Do you think they get the thirty.

904
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Thirty might be pushing it, but I think they definitely

905
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: double their total this year.

906
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: So as I'm sure everybody in our business does. I mean,

907
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there watching the game. I'm taking my notes,

908
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: and I do a podcast right after. I did one

909
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: the next day and we did the postgame show, and

910
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: I put in bold at the bottom of my word

911
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: document of just all my chicken scratch with typing. Are

912
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: we all sleeping on the Steeler passing game? Like people

913
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: are like, you know, people are like, boy, if they

914
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: could get the league average throwing the ball, maybe we

915
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: should aim higher.

916
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe they're better than that. Yeah, you know,

917
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: we just looked at those team rankings and the Steeler

918
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were at twenty three. Everything else in the offense

919
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: was well.

920
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: Above that, right, right, if they're if they're at the

921
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: whole offense, everything at the quarterbacks advanced the league average,

922
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: and everything else is above league than the other line

923
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: is better than last year. Yeah you know what I mean.

924
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: You're looking at a pretty good offense and.

925
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: The pass catchers are better than last ye.

926
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no right spot, right, Like what is the

927
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: week spot on this?

928
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: I think we all go into seasons sort of with

929
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: some preconceived notions, you know, and it never goes to script,

930
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: of course. And I wrote in bold like I said,

931
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: like we all sleep if we just step back and say,

932
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: Kenny's good, the scheme's better, and they got all these

933
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: better protection and better pass catchers, what don't we like?

934
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying he's gonna Outdole Mahomes. I mean,

935
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: or it'd be number top five. But maybe we shouldn't

936
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: just aim for the fifteenth best passing game in the league, right,

937
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

938
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: I think we're sleeping on people talk about Kenny Pickett

939
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: with it, Well, his ceiling is Kirk Cousins, or a

940
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: ceiling is Derek Carr. Maybe he's better than.

941
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: Those fish on that. Maybe he's Kirk Cousins, but Kirk

942
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: Cousins with consistently Kirk. The The thing about Kirk Cousins

943
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: is he folds some big games right when the lights

944
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: are on, he tears trouble. He's what if he's Kirk

945
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: Cousins without that flaw right right? And cars similar like

946
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: when pressured car has been bad going if he pressed.

947
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: Those guys, except he doesn't have the issues that those

948
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: guys have. Now you're talking about a guy who's the

949
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: top eight quarterback.

950
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly like I think he's much more of a

951
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: playmaker than those two like when things don't go to script, right, Yeah,

952
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: and without question, he's one of the few. And again

953
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: this is a little nerdy, but his he was actually

954
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: better under pressure by a lot of metrics than when

955
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: a clean pocket. Yeah, like he did the hard stuff,

956
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, not that he was

957
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: everyone's better in the pocket than they are under pressure

958
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: or clean versus under pressure. Right, he wasn't He was

959
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: like the only one in the league by PFF stats, EPA,

960
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do that he did his best

961
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: work in chaos. So I don't think he said that right,

962
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: right for eighteen twenty years whatever it was. I again,

963
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: I I don't think that he is. I think he

964
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: is more. No, I was about to say his more

965
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: bus potential than a cousins or whatever.

966
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I think that he dies. That's why I stopped myself.

967
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that he does. I think he's a

968
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: pretty cool customer and right, and you know we saw

969
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: it last year, you know, in his first season when

970
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's leading fourth quarter comebacks and game

971
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: winning drives as a rookie. That's not supposed to happen.

972
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: No, no, again, if you told me, and I feel

973
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: like I'm bashing Kirk Cousins as everyone does, because he's

974
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: a good quarterback. Yeah, so it's car blah blah blah.

975
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: But if you told me this guy is going to

976
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: be as good as Cousins, I'm going to go fish

977
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: and take my chances that it's better than that. Okay,

978
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: I mean not even this year, I mean his career,

979
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: yeah right, I mean no doubt. Yeah, so interesting has

980
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: a chance to be a very good passing game.

981
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: It does. I think it does as well. And I

982
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: think he's just kind of scratching the surface. I think that,

983
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, again, talking to Met Cannada this morning and

984
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: he was asked about, you know, how good can this

985
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: offense be?

986
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: Is?

987
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: I think it could be really good? Yeah, and he has,

988
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, a smile on his face. I think they

989
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: feel like they know something that maybe the rest.

990
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: Of us don't. That's kind of my whole point of

991
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: that we sleep on this passing game because deep down,

992
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: I bet they're going we're gonna go fishing already.

993
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: Values of football right, really well.

994
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: And I expect his interception interception percentage to be much

995
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: higher than it was the second half of last year. Yeah,

996
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's almost unt historic. Yeah, that was

997
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, like, right, but I don't think he's going

998
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: to be James Winston. No, yeah, right right.

999
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't see him going out and throwing fifteen interceptions

1000
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: this year.

1001
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: And we've said this many times since we were sitting

1002
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: in this booth looking at this field when they're playing.

1003
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: I haven't seen bad decisions here either.

1004
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean sometimes you know, you get away with it,

1005
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: you get lucky over six games or whatever, and your

1006
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: interception numbers aren't high, but like always turnover worthy throws

1007
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: were low down here or here at camp. I'm not

1008
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: seeing him go oh man, I should have tried that one. Yeah,

1009
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: then he's definitely not bachel though either.

1010
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a it's a nice balance.

1011
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: It is.

1012
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: We got to take another break, and it's going to

1013
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: do it for our number two. He is Matt Williamson.

1014
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolley. You're listening to the Drive here

1015
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seven, our live

1016
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: ongoing coverage from Steelers' training camp practices here at Saint

1017
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: Vincent College. We'll be back with our three right after this.

1018
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Let's go play some ball.

1019
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: Always talking Black and Gold football on snr