Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the
Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: We're getting them out.
Speaker 4: And a judge can't say, no, you have to have
Speaker 4: a child, that the trial is going to take two years,
Speaker 4: and no, we're going to have a very We're going
Speaker 4: to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed
Speaker 4: to do what we're entitled to do.
Speaker 3: And I want an.
Speaker 4: Election based on the fact that we get him.
Speaker 5: Out rampant uncontrolled immigration four years, particularly as we're going
Speaker 5: to discuss now from Venezuela, the effort to get these
Speaker 5: people out of the country as quickly and efficiently as possible,
Speaker 5: running into a recent Supreme Court ruling to discuss all
Speaker 5: of this, Please welcome Art Arthur, Resident Fellow in Law
Speaker 5: and Policy at the Center for Immigration Studies.
Speaker 3: Art, how are you, sir, Joe?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great and my best to all of your listeners.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: I see this as a great example of if you
Speaker 5: do the wrong thing long enough, doing the right thing
Speaker 5: becomes more and more difficult, and that is the challenge
Speaker 5: before us.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct, and in fact, you know,
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that you know, the
Speaker 1: Center and I were warning about as we went through
Speaker 1: the Biden Border of fiasco is you know, millions millions
Speaker 1: of unvetted migrants poured into the United States that the
Speaker 1: you know, it was setting up a perfect storm in
Speaker 1: which removing those individuals from this country and identifying the
Speaker 1: ones who were truly bad was going to require an
Speaker 1: all of government effort. And it is that all of
Speaker 1: an effort that the Trump administration is now implementing.
Speaker 2: But you know, this is going to be a.
Speaker 1: Long slog and it's going to take years for us
Speaker 1: to undo all the damage that was done over the
Speaker 1: past four years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one is reminded of the Cloward pivot radical left
Speaker 5: strategy of overwhelming the system to break it. But how
Speaker 5: let's just do a minute on how we ended up
Speaker 5: with Sadam many Venezuelans, in particular trendy Uragua gang members
Speaker 5: in the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, that's great question. They'll give you
Speaker 1: the thirty second explanation. Up until the Biden administration, we
Speaker 1: really didn't get that many illegal Venezuelans. There's a diaspora
Speaker 1: of Venezuelans who have left the country ever since it
Speaker 1: was turned into a socialist basket case by Hugo Chavez
Speaker 1: and then by his successor, Nicholas Maduro. Once the Biden
Speaker 1: administration took off, it's one of the first things that
Speaker 1: it did was it gave temporary protected status to Thenalans
Speaker 1: who were here.
Speaker 2: That meant we couldn't deport them.
Speaker 1: But you know, the smugglers and the migrants don't read
Speaker 1: the fine print of that, may assume that everybody who
Speaker 1: came here would be protected from removal, and so consequently
Speaker 1: we ended up with four hundred thousand plus brand new
Speaker 1: Venezuelans who came into the United States. The Biden administration
Speaker 1: you flailed around with how it was going to deal
Speaker 1: with them, and it decided that the best way to
Speaker 1: deal with them, to keep people from entering illegally from Venezuela,
Speaker 1: was to open our airports to Venezuelans who didn't have
Speaker 1: any visas, who hadn't been vetted. And that really gets
Speaker 1: to the point, Joe, none of these individuals have been
Speaker 1: vetted before they come to the United States. If you
Speaker 1: get a legal visa. You have to show that you're
Speaker 1: not a criminal. You've got to get a letter from
Speaker 1: your local police department back home show and you don't
Speaker 1: have any crimes. We don't have diplomatic relations with Venezuelan,
Speaker 1: and so consequently, Venezuela has no interest whatsoever in telling
Speaker 1: us who amongst this population of four hundred thousand plus
Speaker 1: who have poured in are good people.
Speaker 2: And who aren't.
Speaker 1: And so unfortunately it's local police departments and now the
Speaker 1: FBI that's having to uncover all the activities of those individuals,
Speaker 1: Frende Aragua members and other criminals who have come from
Speaker 1: Venezuela into the United States. To remember, Joe Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was derided, criticized, you know, mocked when he said that
Speaker 1: Venezuela was opening its jails and.
Speaker 2: Its mental institutions.
Speaker 1: Well, Nicholas Maduro is an acolyte of Fidel Castro, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly if you remember what Fidel Castro did during
Speaker 1: the Mariel Bog crisis. So the apple didn't fall far
Speaker 1: from the trade in this particular instance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we around here cherish the idea of due process.
Speaker 5: It's the idea that our country is based on that
Speaker 5: if the government can trample on your rights, eventually they will.
Speaker 5: And so the whole system is based around making sure
Speaker 5: that the government has to prove it's doing what it's
Speaker 5: doing in a way that is legal and respect people's rights.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, if you allow the country to
Speaker 5: be flooded with many millions of people, including what do
Speaker 5: you figure the number is from.
Speaker 3: Venezuela, just so I'm semi accurate, Do you have any idea?
Speaker 1: So we know that more than seven hundred thousand, I
Speaker 1: think with seven hundred and thirty one thousand, Venezuelan's work
Speaker 1: eligible for temporary protected status at the time that all
Speaker 1: Jundra New York has issued his second designation of the
Speaker 1: group in twenty twenty four. So you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand people.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's a hell of a lot of people. So,
Speaker 5: having said what I said about due process, what would
Speaker 5: quote unquote due process look like in this situation because
Speaker 5: the phrase can mean different things. If it means a
Speaker 5: criminal prosecution, it's beyond a reasonable doubt as a judge
Speaker 5: by a jury of my peers, if I've walked across
Speaker 5: the border and forty seconds later, I'm apprehended by the
Speaker 5: Customs and Border Patrol quote unquote, due process is a
Speaker 5: very different thing. So what did the Scotis say the
Speaker 5: other day because they had like a late night ruling,
Speaker 5: and what should do process look like to deal with
Speaker 5: all these gang members?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I mean you make so many really important points
Speaker 1: that your listeners really need to listen very carefully to
Speaker 1: that adjective do in due process?
Speaker 2: Is there for a reason.
Speaker 1: Due process means different things in different situations.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to an individual.
Speaker 1: At the border or at the ports, those individuals court
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court only have the process rights that
Speaker 1: Congress has given them, and in that context, Congress hasn't
Speaker 1: given them many. With respect to the individuals who have
Speaker 1: been released into the United States, they have slightly more
Speaker 1: due process rights, but not the full you know, rights
Speaker 1: that are guaranteed under the Constitution to United States citizens.
Speaker 1: So what President Trump is attempting to do here is
Speaker 1: to invoke the Alien Enemies Act. And people say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's from seventeen ninety eight. Yeah it is, but it's
Speaker 1: also codified. It's fifty US Code, Section twenty one, and
Speaker 1: it permits the president in the face of an invasion
Speaker 1: or predatory incursion to remove individuals under you know, his
Speaker 1: constitutional powers from the United States who were viewed as
Speaker 1: having participated in that invasion or that incursion. In this context,
Speaker 1: it's trend Aragua members who followed that migrant flow.
Speaker 2: To the United States.
Speaker 1: And you know, in its first order in with respect
Speaker 1: to trend Aragua, in response to in order that have
Speaker 1: been issued by Judge Boseburg, James Boseburg, the District Court
Speaker 1: in d C. The you know, court said, you know,
Speaker 1: they're entitled to some process they get notice of, you know,
Speaker 1: that they've been charged or that they're going to be
Speaker 1: removed under this provision. But the court also made clear
Speaker 1: that you know, by and large it's the lower courts,
Speaker 1: the district courts have to defer to the Execus to
Speaker 1: branch in that determination. This is foreign policy, Joe, and
Speaker 1: this is something that the court doesn't have any competence in,
Speaker 1: let alone jurisdiction. They can't say whether this is necessary
Speaker 1: for the foreign policy the United States or not. So
Speaker 1: they're entitled to notice and probably an opportunity to say
Speaker 1: I'm not a trend.
Speaker 2: To iron Will member.
Speaker 1: But by and large those district court judges who are
Speaker 1: hearing those cases in Habeas are going to have to
Speaker 1: largely defer to the determinations of the executive branch, specifically
Speaker 1: the FBI, DHS, and the State Department.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems a little ridiculous the idea that if
Speaker 5: Maduro said, you know what I'll do, and he did
Speaker 5: this intentionally, it is clearly an invasion, clearly a hostile
Speaker 5: active of foreign power. But if he kind of only
Speaker 5: semi accidentally did it, then we've got to give these
Speaker 5: guys hearings for years. That just seems absurd to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the Trump administration, the second one,
Speaker 1: learned a lot from the first Trump administration. And if
Speaker 1: you actually go back and you read the Foreign Terrorist
Speaker 1: Organization designation from the State Department on February twenty and
Speaker 1: you look at President Trump's proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies
Speaker 1: Act that he issued on March the eleventh, they actually
Speaker 1: go into the political activities of Trende Aragua and they
Speaker 1: say in essence that it operates in conjunction with the
Speaker 1: Maduro regime and that it supports the Maduro regime's goal
Speaker 1: of destabilizing democratic nations in the Americas, including the United States.
Speaker 1: You know, Nicholas Maduro, the Marxist strong man in Venezuela,
Speaker 1: is a bitter opponent of the United States, and we
Speaker 1: don't like him either. Even the Biden administration wouldn't admit
Speaker 1: that he was a legitimate leader of the country. And
Speaker 1: you know, the argument of the government that the President
Speaker 1: is making, in fact, it's not even an argument. It's
Speaker 1: what he's found is that this is part of an
Speaker 1: attempt to undermine the United States, that these crimes that
Speaker 1: they participate in, you know, in the United States and
Speaker 1: throughout the Americans.
Speaker 2: Are part of a plan.
Speaker 1: And you know, with that in mind, this appears to
Speaker 1: be on pretty strong legal ground for me. And you know,
Speaker 1: even Bill Barr, you know, former Trump administration Attorney general
Speaker 1: but no fan of the President today, said yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is perfectly permissible for them to do. We need
Speaker 1: to get to the point in which the court's one court,
Speaker 1: actually makes that determination that's going to become the law,
Speaker 1: and then all of this it's going to become very easy.
Speaker 5: And as always, it'd sure be helpful if Congress would
Speaker 5: stand up and do their jobs and get good and
Speaker 5: specific about this stuff. Art Arthur, Resident Fellow in Law
Speaker 5: and Policy Center for Immigration Studies, aren't we sure appreciate
Speaker 5: the time. Thanks for helping to clarify some fairly complicated
Speaker 5: stuff for us.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Joe. It's always an honor and
Speaker 1: a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Likewise, thanks very much more to come stay
Speaker 3: with us. The other thing about Kawhi is right, big
Speaker 3: fell Yeah, I know, go ahead, keep talking joke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we on TV know what we're doing. Yeah, that's that,
Speaker 3: olive all you've been drinking.
Speaker 2: Hey, you take some matches with.
Speaker 5: You, Hey, listen, he could hold it after forty you
Speaker 5: can hold it.
Speaker 2: What's it first you killed? I've been drink.
Speaker 3: I didn't well the cleaning. Hey listen, I just hope
Speaker 3: we got enough matches around it. He's turned his mic off, that's.
Speaker 2: All I got.
Speaker 5: Wow, that was a lot of toilet talk on the
Speaker 5: NBA today tonight or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's older men. That show gets huge ratings and makes
Speaker 3: huge money. It's very amusing. He's very entertaining.
Speaker 5: So so did did jd Vance kill the Pope? That's
Speaker 5: not my understanding of it. I mean I've watched a
Speaker 5: lot of crime dramas. He says negative things about a guy.
Speaker 5: He goes and meets with the guy for like three minutes.
Speaker 5: He walks out of the room. A couple of minutes later,
Speaker 5: that guy's dead. I know how these things work. I
Speaker 5: know where i'd start the investigation. You bring in a
Speaker 5: detective the pope'es what are you doing with that hammerher?
Speaker 5: Jd oh, good lord, that's so for the line you're sick.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna claim it was the medication or something.
Speaker 3: But so, I've not.
Speaker 5: Liked this pope for much of his poping. I know,
Speaker 5: I wasn't hoping for his death or anything.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 5: I am always amazed at how much attention the whole
Speaker 5: pope thing gets. I mean, it's the it's the biggest
Speaker 5: religion in the world. I mean, if you even if
Speaker 5: you separate it from you know, Protestants, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: bigger than Baptist anything. It's bigger than Islam. It's it's
Speaker 5: the biggest because also the biggest. There's one point five
Speaker 5: billion Catholics on Earth.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: But even with that, and I think there are eighty
Speaker 5: million Catholics in the United I'm surprised how much attention
Speaker 5: the selection of the pulpe gets. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of it has to do with the whole it's white
Speaker 5: people follow the royal family. We like royalty, We like
Speaker 5: the pageantry. We're built for that, even though it's anathetical to,
Speaker 5: you know, the way we structure our society and our
Speaker 5: government in theory.
Speaker 3: We just we like that sort of thing, the pageantry,
Speaker 3: the robes, the slippers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are somebody is all powerful and that thing.
Speaker 5: I think Catholics are clustered disproportionately in the northeast of
Speaker 5: the US two now and also in the southwest, certainly
Speaker 5: with the Hispanic folks who've joined us recently welcome. So
Speaker 5: the mainstream media tends to be like extra serious about it,
Speaker 5: even if they're not Catholic, because there's somebody next to
Speaker 5: them in the newsroom who is. But yeah, you're right,
Speaker 5: it has very very little effect on my life. I'm
Speaker 5: not anti. I'm just I don't care that much. Hey,
Speaker 5: run twenty four for us. Michael little Andy Cooper here.
Speaker 6: Unlike many other popes over the last hundred years, he
Speaker 6: will not be buried though in Vatican City. He's actually
Speaker 6: going to be buried in Rome itself and another basilica,
Speaker 6: the Basilica Saint Maria Margiore, which.
Speaker 3: Is closer to the Colisseum.
Speaker 6: I apologize for my bad Italian is closer to the
Speaker 6: Colisseum than it is to the Vatican.
Speaker 5: Nobody cares, do they know? Well, that's what exactly. And
Speaker 5: I don't know how many newscasts I mean, we're in
Speaker 5: the Fellow's going to be buried. I mean, well it's
Speaker 5: more I don't know, it's less regal and more man
Speaker 5: of the street. But yeah, I saw so many newscasts
Speaker 5: lead with the you know, the minutia of this, and
Speaker 5: then he'll be moved to here, and then vaugh and
Speaker 5: then in three days, and I thought, really, are there
Speaker 5: that many people that are into this? I also took
Speaker 5: in a podcast where people were, you know, several of
Speaker 5: them Catholics, pointing out that while mainstream media in America
Speaker 5: loved this guy because he bad mouthed America all the
Speaker 5: time and sort of treated him like he was this
Speaker 5: new liberalizing, you know, lefty pope, he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Really at all.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was hardcore life begins at conception, no
Speaker 5: wiggle room whatsoever on abortion being a sin. I mean,
Speaker 5: just all of the you know, the core things he
Speaker 5: was solid on. Oh if somebody told me when he
Speaker 5: was alive, i'd have been more fond of him than
Speaker 5: I was. And remember, he used the term faggotry not
Speaker 5: that long ago, some sort of hot mic moment. He
Speaker 5: did not dig the gay community being involved.
Speaker 3: In the church. He wasn't.
Speaker 5: He wasn't liberal on any of those things at all.
Speaker 5: But because he would occasionally bad mouth the United States
Speaker 5: and capitalism, you know, the.
Speaker 3: Mainstream media just thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was more liberal on some issues, I know,
Speaker 5: but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't care, I really I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm you in your personal faith, my friends, we have
Speaker 5: more than respect for and you practice it in whatever
Speaker 5: way you say or feel as proper. I'm about the Constitution,
Speaker 5: I'm about our individual rights and that sort of thing,
Speaker 5: and I just I don't have much opinion on this stuff.
Speaker 5: Well maybe this would get you more interested. National review
Speaker 5: Their take is it was founded by William F. Buckley,
Speaker 5: who is a lifelong, very strong Catholic person. But National
Speaker 5: Reviews take is the Catholic Church is the most important
Speaker 5: institution in Western civilization, has been forever and still is.
Speaker 5: So if you look at it that way, and you
Speaker 5: know why I want to give us a ten second version.
Speaker 5: I guess because it's moral in wellnot, I guess. I
Speaker 5: listened to them talk about it, and I read it's
Speaker 5: moral leadership for all of Western civilization for you know,
Speaker 5: hundreds and hundreds of years, centuries, and the constitution and
Speaker 5: rights I cherish that I just mentioned are absolutely inseparable
Speaker 5: from the Judea career tradition, sure, and moral precepts of
Speaker 5: the world. Right, that's true, you know, I'm I have
Speaker 5: an open mind about this stuff. That's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 5: Dust for prints. Ask JD some questions, that's all. Oh, no,
Speaker 5: any inappropriate retract that Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: I was looking at video Jack just recommended I take
Speaker 5: a look at that he tweeted over the weekend, and
Speaker 5: it led me to another fascinating topic. But yeah, it
Speaker 5: was the transactivist screeching like lunatics and a small group
Speaker 5: of women who are just saying only women in women's sports,
Speaker 5: a controversial stance with the wide eyed craziness of I
Speaker 5: don't even know what the religious cultist right, the radical
Speaker 5: you know, and some of them are older that you'd expect. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is a little old to be screeching like a
Speaker 5: to take what's spit flying out of your mouth, claiming
Speaker 5: that men can declare themselves to be women. So the
Speaker 5: whole woke world, whether it's climate change, trands, or whatever
Speaker 5: your aspect you're grabbing onto at the time, it really
Speaker 5: is got a serious religious thing going to it. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it has all the earmarks of religion, right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's the original sin of being white, for instance, and
Speaker 5: the only way you can overcome that original sin is
Speaker 5: by begging us on your knees to forgive you. Well,
Speaker 5: as I was reading some of the commentaries to that
Speaker 5: video by like learned people, and one person pointing out,
Speaker 5: you can see a not very.
Speaker 3: Long step from those.
Speaker 5: People's level of anger to Muslim dudes chuck and rocks
Speaker 5: at some chick to stoner to death because she committed adultery.
Speaker 3: It's not a giant leap.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, not at all, not at all. Some
Speaker 5: of those people looked capable of murder. Yeah, wild So
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, I saw subsequent to that on our Twitter feed,
Speaker 5: you were got into a little well, you kind of
Speaker 5: retweeted something from Tim Sandover, and Tim was reacting to
Speaker 5: a tweet by a dude named David Cole, who was
Speaker 5: talking about Harvard, for instance, and the other universities how
Speaker 5: they are now fighting against Trump, and how admirable that is,
Speaker 5: because if you give into a mob boss, that's the beginning,
Speaker 5: not the end, of one's servitude. Why Harvard chose not
Speaker 5: to appease Trump, and Tim pointed out that you give
Speaker 5: into the mob boss when you accept money from him.
Speaker 5: When the mob boss does that favor for you, that's
Speaker 5: when you say no. Not when he comes back to
Speaker 5: you later and it expects you to repay the favor,
Speaker 5: then it's way, way, way too late. And obviously the
Speaker 5: mob boss he's talking about is these universities getting huge
Speaker 5: buckets of federal tax payer money, cash from the federal government,
Speaker 5: various forms of support. And just real quickly, I thought
Speaker 5: it was interesting the editorial board at the Wall Street
Speaker 5: Journal was talking about the Harvard versus the Trump administration thing,
Speaker 5: and specifically the tax exempt status question, and I found
Speaker 5: their argument pretty strong that we're in a situation now
Speaker 5: where and y'all may remember this, and we went crazy
Speaker 5: over this when Obama and his people in effect declared
Speaker 5: any tea party nonprofit to be not a charitable organization,
Speaker 5: we denied them.
Speaker 3: There is that five oh one C.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 5: I can never remember the tax code. I'm not an
Speaker 5: accountant near a tax attorney. But anyway, we started this
Speaker 5: show together. You said you were an accountant. Well, and
Speaker 5: that's why you did that short you know, a jail
Speaker 5: term for your taxes.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I thought I could handle it.
Speaker 5: But anyway, So the fact that Congress has to get
Speaker 5: involved in this, and you can't have the exact executive
Speaker 5: branch declaring that, yeah, you were tax exempt last year,
Speaker 5: but you're not now because I hate what you're doing,
Speaker 5: uh huh, And that Congress has got to weigh in
Speaker 5: on this because when President AOC gets in there, what
Speaker 5: the hell is she going to revoke the tax exempt status?
Speaker 5: For sure? I mean, it's it's a nightmare in the making.
Speaker 5: So I thought that was a pretty balanced and reasonable
Speaker 5: way to look at it, which leads me to one
Speaker 5: of my favorite things that I've read recently, and Jack
Speaker 5: obviously feel free to interject whenever you want, but the
Speaker 5: always even killed Matt Tayebi. His headline is the Government,
Speaker 5: the Harvard Government divorce is the feel good story of
Speaker 5: the ages. When a couple should have never been together,
Speaker 5: and they finally break up.
Speaker 3: It's a happy thing. What a funny analogy to use.
Speaker 5: Yeah, taking kind of a different tack than Tim's mob
Speaker 5: boss thing. But and then there's a paragraph of a summary.
Speaker 5: Harvard refused on Mondays to submit to the This from
Speaker 5: the New York Times editorial Board. Harvard refused on Monday
Speaker 5: to submit to the Trump administration's quest to command and
Speaker 5: control America's higher education system.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 5: No government, regardless of which parties in power, should dictate
Speaker 5: what private universities can teach, whom they admit in higher
Speaker 5: and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: So Harvard is resisting, So Tayibi writes, Harvard's bold decision
Speaker 5: to risk an unsubsidized future with a mere fifty three
Speaker 5: billion dollars in reserve is a feel good story everyone
Speaker 5: can chare. The federal government in corrupt higher education has
Speaker 5: finally decided to divorce, and it's a beautiful thing. The
Speaker 5: Trump administration's war on universities has been conducted with its
Speaker 5: signature Japanese monster movie approach, full of smashed infrastructure, rivers
Speaker 5: of screaming civilians and battle scenes so spellbinding, spellbinding questions
Speaker 5: of right and wrong go out the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's really good. Yeah, Tidee is so good.
Speaker 5: And when he thinks Trump is right, he's absolutely eloquent
Speaker 5: in defending him. And when he thinks he's wrong, you
Speaker 5: know the obvious. But this is good writing. You can
Speaker 5: try it away. The administration's law flouting, maybe against the
Speaker 5: university's appalling sense of entitlement, but I suspect many Americans
Speaker 5: will abandon sides and just cheer the spectacle of intractably
Speaker 5: self regarding freaks joined in aerial combat over the Constitution.
Speaker 5: Harvard versus the Trump Monster should have been the next
Speaker 5: entry in the Shin Godzilla series, and now it's here.
Speaker 5: It's especially welcome if the battle has a happy ending,
Speaker 5: which looks likely as of the week's end. It took
Speaker 5: a bizarre series of events to bring us here. The
Speaker 5: prelude to the Trump Harvard battle was the administration siege
Speaker 5: of Columbia, taken with little struggle, and he gets into
Speaker 5: how Columbia gave in pretty quickly, at least temporarily, the
Speaker 5: ACLU suddenly rediscovering its love for campus speech freedom railed at.
Speaker 5: Putting whole areas of study in the federal penalty box
Speaker 5: was a comical violation of civil liberties. They cited a
Speaker 5: nineteen fifty seven case from the McCarthy era. In it,
Speaker 5: the New Hampshire Attorney General investigator a professor, and the
Speaker 5: Supreme Court ruled when, and I'm summarizing this very quickly,
Speaker 5: but when weighed against the grave harm resulting from the
Speaker 5: government intrusion into the intellectual life of a university, such
Speaker 5: justification for compelling a witness to discuss the content of
Speaker 5: his lectures appears grossly inadequate. In other words, hands off,
Speaker 5: let the universities run themselves. Let's not tramp on free
Speaker 5: speech to get rid of one bad apple. Back to Taibi,
Speaker 5: the issues in nineteen fifty seven an hour are not
Speaker 5: that different.
Speaker 3: The High Court then was right.
Speaker 5: To conclude that there's more damage in putting the state
Speaker 5: in charge of reviewing academic speech than there is an
Speaker 5: allowing instruction that some might conclude to be not just
Speaker 5: anti American but threatening in the context of the time.
Speaker 5: That was a hard decision, but the right one.
Speaker 3: In this sense.
Speaker 5: The ACLU and other traditional speech defenders are probably right
Speaker 5: that the Trump Columbia deal constituted a stunning intrusion.
Speaker 3: Here's where it turns.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 5: Less convincing were commentators like historian Joan Scott, who said
Speaker 5: Trump's actions were unheard of even during the Mcarthury year
Speaker 5: of blah blah blah coverage can distantly ignored the fact
Speaker 5: that Columbia has been a poster child for decades long
Speaker 5: assault by most all universities on academic freedom, as well
Speaker 5: as a serial violator of Title six of the Civil
Speaker 5: Rights Act, which requires that public funds not be spent
Speaker 5: quote in any fashion which encourages and trenches, subsidizes, or
Speaker 5: results in racial color, national origin discrimination.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And he goes into more detail. But the idea that Harvard, Columbia,
Speaker 5: any of these people would screech academic freedom when they're
Speaker 5: being criticized, is it's vomit worthy, right, And remembering last
Speaker 5: week that Harvard finished last out of two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty Oh yeah, universities in the free speech last well done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where we're heading.
Speaker 5: So it would be nice, he writes if the NYCLU
Speaker 5: acknowledged that Columbia's record is replete with moronic civil liberties offenses.
Speaker 5: It's deep platformed with gusto a loud or encouraged the
Speaker 5: Heckler's veto shutdown of events, institutionalized compelled speech diversity statements
Speaker 5: as part of its admissions process, including instructions on what
Speaker 5: to write like when did your privilege result in different
Speaker 5: treatment than others?
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean day? Oh my god.
Speaker 5: They are obscenely anti free speech these universities. It has
Speaker 5: the same problem with the use of race and admissions
Speaker 5: that Harvard tried to defend and lost at the Supreme Court,
Speaker 5: and its DEI program still infect a curriculum with iron
Speaker 5: race doctrine.
Speaker 3: Tahiebeis is so good.
Speaker 5: The School of Social Work to this day is proudly
Speaker 5: waiving the banner of the prop or power, race oppression
Speaker 5: and Privilege framework. Okay, so Trump administration said no DEI,
Speaker 5: so they renamed it. Now it's prop teaching the same
Speaker 5: communist bull ass. And I'd love to use the word
Speaker 5: which makes the department's guiding principle the idea that quote
Speaker 5: anti black racism and white supremacy are endemic in our
Speaker 5: systems and institutions. So it's precisely the same thing in
Speaker 5: the same or with a slightly different label. Speech codes
Speaker 5: are issued in a variety of forms of Barnard's circularayor
Speaker 5: even missed the irony of the George Carlin routine, in
Speaker 5: which it outlawed a bunch of different words. You remember,
Speaker 5: the legendary Carlin seven deadly or seven dirty words or whatever.
Speaker 5: These practices and more led Columbian twenty twenty two to
Speaker 5: being named the worst campus in the country for free
Speaker 5: speech by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, who
Speaker 5: we love, getting the country's sole abysmal rating. Ironically, Harvard
Speaker 5: would soon earn a worse review.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 5: So and then he gets into after October seventh, the
Speaker 5: horrific anti Jewish stuff, the anti Semitic stuff, the locking
Speaker 5: Jewish kids in library, not letting him go to class,
Speaker 5: and the rest of it. But so and if you're
Speaker 5: new to the show, and we have a number of
Speaker 5: new stations who are listening, thank you very much for listening.
Speaker 5: I hope you get used to it and you like it,
Speaker 5: stick around for a while. Not always sick, well no, no,
Speaker 5: For instance, Jack is not always sick. It's a little
Speaker 5: different approach than a lot of talk radio these days.
Speaker 5: And we are staunchly conservative. But like Tayibe, we can
Speaker 5: handle the idea that, Okay, maybe revoking Harvard's stats tax
Speaker 5: exempt status, maybe it's legit, maybe it's not. We need
Speaker 5: to take a look at it and think about it,
Speaker 5: think about the ramifications of it. But I am ready
Speaker 5: to die on the hill of these universities claiming academic
Speaker 5: freedom is precious and we must protect it. I want
Speaker 5: to strangle them with both my hands. Go good Lord,
Speaker 5: that's some of the most towering, naked hypocrisy I have
Speaker 5: ever witnessed in my life, and I've witnessed a bit
Speaker 5: of it, so I'm I've always been confused by this.
Speaker 5: So Harvard has famously now fifty some billion dollars and
Speaker 5: they're endowment. Why don't they just sell fun to everything
Speaker 5: and just not answer to anyone ever.
Speaker 3: Because they've got the double gravy train going.
Speaker 5: I guess well, and nobody's asked them to answer to them. True,
Speaker 5: they were able to be the worst example of free
Speaker 5: speech of any college campus in America and still get
Speaker 5: what was it, half a billion dollars a year or
Speaker 5: whatever we're getting in oh, at least it was tremendous
Speaker 5: amounts of money yeah, final note for fans of Goodfellas.
Speaker 5: Actually hard it was two billion. It was more like
Speaker 5: a half a billion over at Columbia.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I guess if somebody's given you two billion
Speaker 5: and you still get to do whatever you want, why
Speaker 5: would you want to end that? So he uses the
Speaker 5: sword here. I'll just say poop. The Trump administration would
Speaker 5: have been right to simply demand that Columbia cut the
Speaker 5: recent poop and all their other poop. These things are
Speaker 5: usually resolved on the sly and he quotes somebody hysterically. Historically,
Speaker 5: no higher education institution has ever lost all its federal funding,
Speaker 5: blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But Trump is a different animal.
Speaker 5: He's dragging these dramas in the open, making the ivs
Speaker 5: dance for their federal crumbs in the most humiliating conceivable manner,
Speaker 5: like Joe Peshi shooting at the feet of Michael imperially in.
Speaker 3: The Good Fellas.
Speaker 5: No I thought you said, I'm all right, spider in one.
Speaker 3: Way, am I funny?
Speaker 5: He's making them dance, which is more or less what
Speaker 5: he's doing. So because he's Matt Tybe goes on for
Speaker 5: par after paragraph, but you get the idea.
Speaker 3: Well, and where do you think most of the public
Speaker 3: is on this.
Speaker 5: I think the awareness of how utterly corrupt and ideologically
Speaker 5: sick the universities are.
Speaker 3: I think the awareness is growing well, and I think
Speaker 3: doesn't the Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: I feel like the average American has a bad attitude
Speaker 5: toward Harvard.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw some Do you trust in colleges in universities?
Speaker 3: As part of that whole?
Speaker 5: Do you trust in the media, law enforcement, the army,
Speaker 5: blah blah blah, and their numbers are historically low, which
Speaker 5: is very encouraging. First step of solving a problem is
Speaker 5: being aware of it. So it reminds me of you
Speaker 5: talking about a poll. There was a poll came out
Speaker 5: over the weekend from Gallop, which is one of your
Speaker 5: better polling organizations. Our economic attitude is not good right now.
Speaker 5: I know you started the show with some good news,
Speaker 5: but there is some bad feelings out there. Maybe we'll
Speaker 5: get to that and other stuff coming upstair here.
Speaker 7: The market is also in general rendering harsh judgments. Since
Speaker 7: April Second Liberation Day, the Dow has stumbled more than
Speaker 7: nine percent over the first three weeks of April, putting
Speaker 7: it on track to mark it's worst April since the
Speaker 7: Great Depression. The Dow falling one thousand points are more.
Speaker 7: That's only happened nineteen times in modern history, and three
Speaker 7: of those massive drops have happened since Liberation Day.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be pedantic, but that.
Speaker 5: I could find it that stat they keep throwing around
Speaker 5: worst April since the Great Depression is highly misleading, but
Speaker 5: it doesn't obscure the fact that clearly.
Speaker 3: The markets have had a bad month or so.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's being overly pedantic to point out
Speaker 5: that Jake Tapper is full of crap. Yeah, everybody's saying
Speaker 5: that because you can use a statistic where that is true.
Speaker 5: So Gallup has been asking this whole century, since two thousand,
Speaker 5: how you feel about your personal financial situation? Very broad question,
Speaker 5: do you think it's getting better, getting worse, or staying
Speaker 5: the same. And since they started asking the question, it's
Speaker 5: never crossed fifty percent.
Speaker 3: It's usually hanging around in the.
Speaker 5: Mid thirties of people who say that their financial situation
Speaker 5: is getting worse. It almost hit fifty in two thousand
Speaker 5: and eight. It almost hit fifty at the beginning of
Speaker 5: the COVID, but then it would go back down to
Speaker 5: the thirties or forties or whatever it is. Now for
Speaker 5: the first time this century or since they've been asking
Speaker 5: the question, at fifty three percent of Americans think their
Speaker 5: financial situation.
Speaker 3: Is getting worse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Jake Tapper's little screen there, as misleading as
Speaker 5: it might be, and the poll numbers all indicative of
Speaker 5: people's uncertainty and worry over Number one, the firing of
Speaker 5: Jerome Powell, the chairman of the Fed, and also the
Speaker 5: trade war with China and other countries. Well, the president
Speaker 5: came out the other day forty two.
Speaker 4: Michael, never whatsoever, never did the press runs away with
Speaker 4: things now.
Speaker 3: I have no intention of firing him.
Speaker 4: I would like to see him be a little more
Speaker 4: active in terms of his idea to lower interest Rate's
Speaker 4: just a perfect time to lower interest rates. If he
Speaker 4: doesn't is at the end to know it's not, but
Speaker 4: it would be good timing which could have taken place earlier.
Speaker 3: But no, I have no intention to fire him.
Speaker 5: Didn't he just like truth out guy, can't be fired
Speaker 5: soon enough? Okay, Well, no, evidently he's not going to
Speaker 5: so buy some stocks.
Speaker 3: Not only that, but this I'm.
Speaker 2: Not gonna say.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna play hardball with China. I'm gonna play
Speaker 4: hardball with you, Prision and she no, Now, we're gonna
Speaker 4: be very nice. They're gonna be very nice and we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens. But ultimately they have to make a deal.
Speaker 4: One hundred and forty five percent is very high, and
Speaker 4: it won't be that high. It's not gonna be that high,
Speaker 4: so it don't come to n substantially, but it won't
Speaker 4: be zero. He used to be zero. We were just destroyed.
Speaker 4: China was taking us for a ride and just not
Speaker 4: gonna have It's not gonna happen. We're gonna be very
Speaker 4: good to China.
Speaker 5: So Powell stays, and the trade war war is going
Speaker 5: to be a trade negotiation. Well, I was trying to
Speaker 5: find what was the actual term he used for Powell
Speaker 5: the other day, called him an idiot or I mean
Speaker 5: it was pretty hard. Oh, just like three days ago,
Speaker 5: he called Powell a major loser and he cannot come
Speaker 5: fast enough that he leaves the press runs away with
Speaker 5: these things. I never had any intention, and I I
Speaker 5: wouldn't mind if he was a little faster on the whole.
Speaker 5: I guess asking for more disciplined messaging from Trump at
Speaker 5: this point is like asking for a pony for Christmas.
Speaker 3: But uh boy, that'd be great, wouldn't it Anyway?
Speaker 5: Interesting I'm not so it'll be interesting to see if
Speaker 5: people's negative attitudes stay this way for a long time.
Speaker 3: Great interview, Next Hour.
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