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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the

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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: We're getting them out.

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Speaker 4: And a judge can't say, no, you have to have

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Speaker 4: a child, that the trial is going to take two years,

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Speaker 4: and no, we're going to have a very We're going

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Speaker 4: to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed

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Speaker 4: to do what we're entitled to do.

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Speaker 3: And I want an.

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Speaker 4: Election based on the fact that we get him.

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Speaker 5: Out rampant uncontrolled immigration four years, particularly as we're going

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Speaker 5: to discuss now from Venezuela, the effort to get these

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Speaker 5: people out of the country as quickly and efficiently as possible,

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Speaker 5: running into a recent Supreme Court ruling to discuss all

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Speaker 5: of this, Please welcome Art Arthur, Resident Fellow in Law

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Speaker 5: and Policy at the Center for Immigration Studies.

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Speaker 3: Art, how are you, sir, Joe?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great and my best to all of your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: I see this as a great example of if you

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Speaker 5: do the wrong thing long enough, doing the right thing

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Speaker 5: becomes more and more difficult, and that is the challenge

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Speaker 5: before us.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct, and in fact, you know,

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Speaker 1: that was one of the things that you know, the

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Speaker 1: Center and I were warning about as we went through

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Speaker 1: the Biden Border of fiasco is you know, millions millions

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Speaker 1: of unvetted migrants poured into the United States that the

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Speaker 1: you know, it was setting up a perfect storm in

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Speaker 1: which removing those individuals from this country and identifying the

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Speaker 1: ones who were truly bad was going to require an

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Speaker 1: all of government effort. And it is that all of

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Speaker 1: an effort that the Trump administration is now implementing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is going to be a.

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Speaker 1: Long slog and it's going to take years for us

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Speaker 1: to undo all the damage that was done over the

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Speaker 1: past four years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, one is reminded of the Cloward pivot radical left

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Speaker 5: strategy of overwhelming the system to break it. But how

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Speaker 5: let's just do a minute on how we ended up

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Speaker 5: with Sadam many Venezuelans, in particular trendy Uragua gang members

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, that's great question. They'll give you

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Speaker 1: the thirty second explanation. Up until the Biden administration, we

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Speaker 1: really didn't get that many illegal Venezuelans. There's a diaspora

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Speaker 1: of Venezuelans who have left the country ever since it

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Speaker 1: was turned into a socialist basket case by Hugo Chavez

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Speaker 1: and then by his successor, Nicholas Maduro. Once the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration took off, it's one of the first things that

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Speaker 1: it did was it gave temporary protected status to Thenalans

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Speaker 1: who were here.

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Speaker 2: That meant we couldn't deport them.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the smugglers and the migrants don't read

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Speaker 1: the fine print of that, may assume that everybody who

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Speaker 1: came here would be protected from removal, and so consequently

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Speaker 1: we ended up with four hundred thousand plus brand new

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Speaker 1: Venezuelans who came into the United States. The Biden administration

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Speaker 1: to the point, Joe, none of these individuals have been

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Speaker 1: vetted before they come to the United States. If you

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Speaker 1: not a criminal. You've got to get a letter from

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Speaker 1: your local police department back home show and you don't

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Speaker 1: have any crimes. We don't have diplomatic relations with Venezuelan,

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Speaker 1: and so consequently, Venezuela has no interest whatsoever in telling

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Speaker 1: us who amongst this population of four hundred thousand plus

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Speaker 1: who have poured in are good people.

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Speaker 2: And who aren't.

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Speaker 1: And so unfortunately it's local police departments and now the

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Speaker 1: FBI that's having to uncover all the activities of those individuals,

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Speaker 1: Frende Aragua members and other criminals who have come from

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Speaker 1: was derided, criticized, you know, mocked when he said that

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Speaker 1: Well, Nicholas Maduro is an acolyte of Fidel Castro, and

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Speaker 1: that's exactly if you remember what Fidel Castro did during

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we around here cherish the idea of due process.

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Speaker 5: It's the idea that our country is based on that

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Speaker 5: if the government can trample on your rights, eventually they will.

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Speaker 5: And so the whole system is based around making sure

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Speaker 5: doing in a way that is legal and respect people's rights.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, if you allow the country to

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Speaker 5: be flooded with many millions of people, including what do

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Speaker 3: Venezuela, just so I'm semi accurate, Do you have any idea?

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Speaker 1: So we know that more than seven hundred thousand, I

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Speaker 1: think with seven hundred and thirty one thousand, Venezuelan's work

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Speaker 1: eligible for temporary protected status at the time that all

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Speaker 1: Jundra New York has issued his second designation of the

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Speaker 1: group in twenty twenty four. So you're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's a hell of a lot of people. So,

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Speaker 5: having said what I said about due process, what would

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Speaker 5: quote unquote due process look like in this situation because

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Speaker 5: the phrase can mean different things. If it means a

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Speaker 5: criminal prosecution, it's beyond a reasonable doubt as a judge

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Speaker 5: by a jury of my peers, if I've walked across

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Speaker 5: Customs and Border Patrol quote unquote, due process is a

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Speaker 5: very different thing. So what did the Scotis say the

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Speaker 5: other day because they had like a late night ruling,

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Speaker 5: and what should do process look like to deal with

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you make so many really important points

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Speaker 1: that adjective do in due process?

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Speaker 2: Is there for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Due process means different things in different situations.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to an individual.

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Speaker 1: At the border or at the ports, those individuals court

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court only have the process rights that

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Speaker 1: Congress has given them, and in that context, Congress hasn't

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Speaker 1: given them many. With respect to the individuals who have

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Speaker 1: due process rights, but not the full you know, rights

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Speaker 1: So what President Trump is attempting to do here is

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Speaker 1: to invoke the Alien Enemies Act. And people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's from seventeen ninety eight. Yeah it is, but it's

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Speaker 1: also codified. It's fifty US Code, Section twenty one, and

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Speaker 1: it permits the president in the face of an invasion

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Speaker 1: it's trend Aragua members who followed that migrant flow.

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Speaker 2: To the United States.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in its first order in with respect

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Speaker 1: been issued by Judge Boseburg, James Boseburg, the District Court

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Speaker 1: in d C. The you know, court said, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're entitled to some process they get notice of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the district courts have to defer to the Execus to

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Speaker 1: branch in that determination. This is foreign policy, Joe, and

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Speaker 1: this is something that the court doesn't have any competence in,

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Speaker 1: they're entitled to notice and probably an opportunity to say

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Speaker 2: To iron Will member.

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Speaker 1: But by and large those district court judges who are

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Speaker 1: largely defer to the determinations of the executive branch, specifically

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems a little ridiculous the idea that if

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Speaker 5: Maduro said, you know what I'll do, and he did

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Speaker 5: this intentionally, it is clearly an invasion, clearly a hostile

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Speaker 5: active of foreign power. But if he kind of only

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Speaker 5: semi accidentally did it, then we've got to give these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the Trump administration, the second one,

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Speaker 1: you actually go back and you read the Foreign Terrorist

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Speaker 1: Act that he issued on March the eleventh, they actually

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Speaker 1: go into the political activities of Trende Aragua and they

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Speaker 1: say in essence that it operates in conjunction with the

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Speaker 1: You know, Nicholas Maduro, the Marxist strong man in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: what he's found is that this is part of an

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Speaker 1: And you know, with that in mind, this appears to

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Speaker 1: this is perfectly permissible for them to do. We need

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Speaker 1: and then all of this it's going to become very easy.

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Speaker 5: And as always, it'd sure be helpful if Congress would

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Speaker 5: specific about this stuff. Art Arthur, Resident Fellow in Law

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Speaker 5: and Policy Center for Immigration Studies, aren't we sure appreciate

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Speaker 5: the time. Thanks for helping to clarify some fairly complicated

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Joe. It's always an honor and

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Speaker 1: a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Likewise, thanks very much more to come stay

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Speaker 3: with us. The other thing about Kawhi is right, big

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Speaker 3: fell Yeah, I know, go ahead, keep talking joke. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we on TV know what we're doing. Yeah, that's that,

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Speaker 3: olive all you've been drinking.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you take some matches with.

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Speaker 5: You, Hey, listen, he could hold it after forty you

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Speaker 5: can hold it.

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Speaker 2: What's it first you killed? I've been drink.

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Speaker 3: I didn't well the cleaning. Hey listen, I just hope

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Speaker 3: we got enough matches around it. He's turned his mic off, that's.

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Speaker 2: All I got.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that was a lot of toilet talk on the

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Speaker 5: NBA today tonight or whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's older men. That show gets huge ratings and makes

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Speaker 3: huge money. It's very amusing. He's very entertaining.

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Speaker 5: So so did did jd Vance kill the Pope? That's

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Speaker 5: not my understanding of it. I mean I've watched a

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Speaker 5: lot of crime dramas. He says negative things about a guy.

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Speaker 5: He goes and meets with the guy for like three minutes.

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Speaker 5: Well maybe this would get you more interested. National review

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Speaker 5: I can never remember the tax code. I'm not an

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Speaker 5: And when he thinks Trump is right, he's absolutely eloquent

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Speaker 5: nineteen fifty seven case from the McCarthy era. In it,

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Speaker 5: the New Hampshire Attorney General investigator a professor, and the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court ruled when, and I'm summarizing this very quickly,

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Speaker 5: but when weighed against the grave harm resulting from the

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Speaker 5: government intrusion into the intellectual life of a university, such

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Speaker 5: justification for compelling a witness to discuss the content of

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Speaker 5: his lectures appears grossly inadequate. In other words, hands off,

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Speaker 5: let the universities run themselves. Let's not tramp on free

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Speaker 5: speech to get rid of one bad apple. Back to Taibi,

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Speaker 5: the issues in nineteen fifty seven an hour are not

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Speaker 5: that different.

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Speaker 3: The High Court then was right.

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Speaker 5: To conclude that there's more damage in putting the state

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Speaker 5: in charge of reviewing academic speech than there is an

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Speaker 5: allowing instruction that some might conclude to be not just

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Speaker 5: anti American but threatening in the context of the time.

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Speaker 5: That was a hard decision, but the right one.

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Speaker 3: In this sense.

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Speaker 5: The ACLU and other traditional speech defenders are probably right

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Speaker 5: that the Trump Columbia deal constituted a stunning intrusion.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it turns.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 5: Less convincing were commentators like historian Joan Scott, who said

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Speaker 5: Trump's actions were unheard of even during the Mcarthury year

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Speaker 5: of blah blah blah coverage can distantly ignored the fact

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Speaker 5: that Columbia has been a poster child for decades long

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Speaker 5: assault by most all universities on academic freedom, as well

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Speaker 5: as a serial violator of Title six of the Civil

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Speaker 5: Rights Act, which requires that public funds not be spent

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Speaker 5: quote in any fashion which encourages and trenches, subsidizes, or

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Speaker 5: results in racial color, national origin discrimination.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: And he goes into more detail. But the idea that Harvard, Columbia,

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Speaker 5: any of these people would screech academic freedom when they're

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Speaker 5: being criticized, is it's vomit worthy, right, And remembering last

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Speaker 5: week that Harvard finished last out of two hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty Oh yeah, universities in the free speech last well done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where we're heading.

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Speaker 5: So it would be nice, he writes if the NYCLU

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Speaker 5: acknowledged that Columbia's record is replete with moronic civil liberties offenses.

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Speaker 5: It's deep platformed with gusto a loud or encouraged the

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Speaker 5: Heckler's veto shutdown of events, institutionalized compelled speech diversity statements

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Speaker 5: as part of its admissions process, including instructions on what

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Speaker 5: to write like when did your privilege result in different

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Speaker 5: treatment than others?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I mean day? Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: They are obscenely anti free speech these universities. It has

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Speaker 5: the same problem with the use of race and admissions

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Speaker 5: that Harvard tried to defend and lost at the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 5: and its DEI program still infect a curriculum with iron

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Speaker 5: race doctrine.

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Speaker 3: Tahiebeis is so good.

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Speaker 5: The School of Social Work to this day is proudly

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Speaker 5: waiving the banner of the prop or power, race oppression

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Speaker 5: and Privilege framework. Okay, so Trump administration said no DEI,

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Speaker 5: so they renamed it. Now it's prop teaching the same

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Speaker 5: communist bull ass. And I'd love to use the word

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Speaker 5: which makes the department's guiding principle the idea that quote

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Speaker 5: anti black racism and white supremacy are endemic in our

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Speaker 5: systems and institutions. So it's precisely the same thing in

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Speaker 5: the same or with a slightly different label. Speech codes

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Speaker 5: are issued in a variety of forms of Barnard's circularayor

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Speaker 5: even missed the irony of the George Carlin routine, in

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Speaker 5: which it outlawed a bunch of different words. You remember,

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Speaker 5: the legendary Carlin seven deadly or seven dirty words or whatever.

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Speaker 5: These practices and more led Columbian twenty twenty two to

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Speaker 5: being named the worst campus in the country for free

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Speaker 5: speech by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, who

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Speaker 5: we love, getting the country's sole abysmal rating. Ironically, Harvard

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Speaker 5: would soon earn a worse review.

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Speaker 3: And then.

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Speaker 5: So and then he gets into after October seventh, the

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Speaker 5: horrific anti Jewish stuff, the anti Semitic stuff, the locking

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Speaker 5: Jewish kids in library, not letting him go to class,

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Speaker 5: and the rest of it. But so and if you're

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Speaker 5: new to the show, and we have a number of

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Speaker 5: new stations who are listening, thank you very much for listening.

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Speaker 5: I hope you get used to it and you like it,

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Speaker 5: stick around for a while. Not always sick, well no, no,

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Speaker 5: For instance, Jack is not always sick. It's a little

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Speaker 5: different approach than a lot of talk radio these days.

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Speaker 5: And we are staunchly conservative. But like Tayibe, we can

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Speaker 5: handle the idea that, Okay, maybe revoking Harvard's stats tax

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Speaker 5: exempt status, maybe it's legit, maybe it's not. We need

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Speaker 5: to take a look at it and think about it,

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Speaker 5: think about the ramifications of it. But I am ready

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Speaker 5: to die on the hill of these universities claiming academic

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Speaker 5: freedom is precious and we must protect it. I want

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Speaker 5: to strangle them with both my hands. Go good Lord,

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Speaker 5: that's some of the most towering, naked hypocrisy I have

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Speaker 5: ever witnessed in my life, and I've witnessed a bit

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Speaker 5: of it, so I'm I've always been confused by this.

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Speaker 5: So Harvard has famously now fifty some billion dollars and

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Speaker 5: they're endowment. Why don't they just sell fun to everything

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Speaker 5: and just not answer to anyone ever.

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Speaker 3: Because they've got the double gravy train going.

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Speaker 5: I guess well, and nobody's asked them to answer to them. True,

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Speaker 5: they were able to be the worst example of free

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Speaker 5: speech of any college campus in America and still get

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Speaker 5: what was it, half a billion dollars a year or

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Speaker 5: whatever we're getting in oh, at least it was tremendous

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Speaker 5: amounts of money yeah, final note for fans of Goodfellas.

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Speaker 5: Actually hard it was two billion. It was more like

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Speaker 5: a half a billion over at Columbia.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I guess if somebody's given you two billion

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Speaker 5: and you still get to do whatever you want, why

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Speaker 5: would you want to end that? So he uses the

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Speaker 5: sword here. I'll just say poop. The Trump administration would

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Speaker 5: have been right to simply demand that Columbia cut the

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00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: recent poop and all their other poop. These things are

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Speaker 5: usually resolved on the sly and he quotes somebody hysterically. Historically,

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Speaker 5: no higher education institution has ever lost all its federal funding,

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Speaker 5: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: But Trump is a different animal.

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Speaker 5: He's dragging these dramas in the open, making the ivs

554
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Speaker 5: dance for their federal crumbs in the most humiliating conceivable manner,

555
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Speaker 5: like Joe Peshi shooting at the feet of Michael imperially in.

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Speaker 3: The Good Fellas.

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Speaker 5: No I thought you said, I'm all right, spider in one.

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Speaker 3: Way, am I funny?

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Speaker 5: He's making them dance, which is more or less what

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Speaker 5: he's doing. So because he's Matt Tybe goes on for

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Speaker 5: par after paragraph, but you get the idea.

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Speaker 3: Well, and where do you think most of the public

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Speaker 3: is on this.

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Speaker 5: I think the awareness of how utterly corrupt and ideologically

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Speaker 5: sick the universities are.

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Speaker 3: I think the awareness is growing well, and I think

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Speaker 3: doesn't the Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: I feel like the average American has a bad attitude

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Speaker 5: toward Harvard.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw some Do you trust in colleges in universities?

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Speaker 3: As part of that whole?

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Speaker 5: Do you trust in the media, law enforcement, the army,

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Speaker 5: blah blah blah, and their numbers are historically low, which

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Speaker 5: is very encouraging. First step of solving a problem is

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Speaker 5: being aware of it. So it reminds me of you

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Speaker 5: talking about a poll. There was a poll came out

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Speaker 5: over the weekend from Gallop, which is one of your

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Speaker 5: better polling organizations. Our economic attitude is not good right now.

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Speaker 5: I know you started the show with some good news,

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Speaker 5: but there is some bad feelings out there. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 5: get to that and other stuff coming upstair here.

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Speaker 7: The market is also in general rendering harsh judgments. Since

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Speaker 7: April Second Liberation Day, the Dow has stumbled more than

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Speaker 7: nine percent over the first three weeks of April, putting

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Speaker 7: it on track to mark it's worst April since the

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Speaker 7: Great Depression. The Dow falling one thousand points are more.

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Speaker 7: That's only happened nineteen times in modern history, and three

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Speaker 7: of those massive drops have happened since Liberation Day.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be pedantic, but that.

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Speaker 5: I could find it that stat they keep throwing around

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Speaker 5: worst April since the Great Depression is highly misleading, but

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Speaker 5: it doesn't obscure the fact that clearly.

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Speaker 3: The markets have had a bad month or so.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's being overly pedantic to point out

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Speaker 5: that Jake Tapper is full of crap. Yeah, everybody's saying

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Speaker 5: that because you can use a statistic where that is true.

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Speaker 5: So Gallup has been asking this whole century, since two thousand,

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Speaker 5: how you feel about your personal financial situation? Very broad question,

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Speaker 5: do you think it's getting better, getting worse, or staying

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Speaker 5: the same. And since they started asking the question, it's

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Speaker 5: never crossed fifty percent.

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Speaker 3: It's usually hanging around in the.

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Speaker 5: Mid thirties of people who say that their financial situation

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Speaker 5: is getting worse. It almost hit fifty in two thousand

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Speaker 5: and eight. It almost hit fifty at the beginning of

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Speaker 5: the COVID, but then it would go back down to

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Speaker 5: the thirties or forties or whatever it is. Now for

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Speaker 5: the first time this century or since they've been asking

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Speaker 5: the question, at fifty three percent of Americans think their

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Speaker 5: financial situation.

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Speaker 3: Is getting worse.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Jake Tapper's little screen there, as misleading as

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Speaker 5: it might be, and the poll numbers all indicative of

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Speaker 5: people's uncertainty and worry over Number one, the firing of

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Speaker 5: Jerome Powell, the chairman of the Fed, and also the

617
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Speaker 5: trade war with China and other countries. Well, the president

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Speaker 5: came out the other day forty two.

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Speaker 4: Michael, never whatsoever, never did the press runs away with

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Speaker 4: things now.

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Speaker 3: I have no intention of firing him.

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Speaker 4: I would like to see him be a little more

623
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Speaker 4: active in terms of his idea to lower interest Rate's

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Speaker 4: just a perfect time to lower interest rates. If he

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Speaker 4: doesn't is at the end to know it's not, but

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Speaker 4: it would be good timing which could have taken place earlier.

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Speaker 3: But no, I have no intention to fire him.

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Speaker 5: Didn't he just like truth out guy, can't be fired

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Speaker 5: soon enough? Okay, Well, no, evidently he's not going to

630
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Speaker 5: so buy some stocks.

631
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Speaker 3: Not only that, but this I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not gonna say.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna play hardball with China. I'm gonna play

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Speaker 4: hardball with you, Prision and she no, Now, we're gonna

635
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: be very nice. They're gonna be very nice and we'll

636
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Speaker 4: see what happens. But ultimately they have to make a deal.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and forty five percent is very high, and

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Speaker 4: it won't be that high. It's not gonna be that high,

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Speaker 4: so it don't come to n substantially, but it won't

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Speaker 4: be zero. He used to be zero. We were just destroyed.

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Speaker 4: China was taking us for a ride and just not

642
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Speaker 4: gonna have It's not gonna happen. We're gonna be very

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Speaker 4: good to China.

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Speaker 5: So Powell stays, and the trade war war is going

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Speaker 5: to be a trade negotiation. Well, I was trying to

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Speaker 5: find what was the actual term he used for Powell

647
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Speaker 5: the other day, called him an idiot or I mean

648
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Speaker 5: it was pretty hard. Oh, just like three days ago,

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Speaker 5: he called Powell a major loser and he cannot come

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Speaker 5: fast enough that he leaves the press runs away with

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Speaker 5: these things. I never had any intention, and I I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't mind if he was a little faster on the whole.

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Speaker 5: I guess asking for more disciplined messaging from Trump at

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Speaker 5: this point is like asking for a pony for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: But uh boy, that'd be great, wouldn't it Anyway?

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Speaker 5: Interesting I'm not so it'll be interesting to see if

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Speaker 5: people's negative attitudes stay this way for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Great interview, Next Hour.

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