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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast, Peanut Tillman,

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Speaker 1: and this is the fifth member of the Four Times.

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Speaker 1: Mister Roman Harper. What's up baby? How you doing? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know who the four Tops is more time,

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Speaker 1: know my bad Well, anyways, let's talk about what we

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Speaker 1: who is our beautiful guest today? I mean a man

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Speaker 1: is dressed quite impressed devon air today. I know. Yeah, sorry, Slight,

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Speaker 2: We regular we're picking up we're picking his his outfit

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Speaker 2: apart real quick, ladies and gentlemen. Running back to the

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Speaker 2: NFL for seven years play with Detroit. Obviously we're here

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Speaker 2: super Bowl or excuse me, the draft.

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Speaker 1: Since leaving the NFL, he's a Broadcastle philanthropists and an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Joke Bell to the show.

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Speaker 1: Please former teammate.

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Speaker 3: PLoP slop slop it. Former teammate, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: I would love to so here, you want to set

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Speaker 1: the stage or outset of stage.

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Speaker 3: I was I was the vetic. You was a vet

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Speaker 3: at the time. You was the og.

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Speaker 1: So Joy Bell showed up on our doorstep in twenty

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Speaker 1: ten eleven, so after the Super Bowl year, and Joy

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Speaker 1: was I mean it was probably very humbling for you

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Speaker 1: at the time because we had some dudes in that room,

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Speaker 1: so who was weird? So right, uh, because you was

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Speaker 1: just getting bradish guard and nobody We're just laughing at you,

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Speaker 1: though I was getting last for what because we called

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Speaker 1: him like jon't Bell. It was like it was oh

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Speaker 1: my god, yeah, it was like yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was yeah, Jeorge. You know, so so coach Peyton.

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Speaker 3: So let's take it back. So I remember I was

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Speaker 3: a Buffalo where I went undrafted and then I get

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Speaker 3: a call from Philly in the in the Patriots. So

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Speaker 3: I ended up going to Philly and as I'm getting

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Speaker 3: I get a phone call. I pick up and he's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is such access from the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Wor are you right now?

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Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm walking in to sign my contract

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Speaker 3: with the Eagles. And he said, oh, congratulation, Hopefully we

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Speaker 3: can work down the road. Didn't hear back from the

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Speaker 3: Saints for about another two or three months, so I

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Speaker 3: ended up leaven Philly, got cut, went to the went

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Speaker 3: to the Coats, came back to Philly, and after two

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Speaker 3: weeks I got another call from the Saints. Hey, Joy,

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Speaker 3: I want to grab your practice car. You want to

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Speaker 3: come here and play the play with us in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I said, damn right, I do call my agent. This

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Speaker 3: is this, I said, let's pack the bags. So I

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Speaker 3: back room. It was like it was like a Morgan there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody, nobody was hurt. Everybody was everybody was hurt.

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Speaker 3: The first person stood up and shook my hand was Reggie.

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Speaker 3: Reggie said, hey, I'm Reggie Bush. I said, I'm Joke Bell.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't sleep, he went sleep, he was up. He

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Speaker 3: so I went in there. There was about another ten running

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Speaker 1: Julius Jones. Heath Evans was still up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know he Evans, Chris Taylor, Chris Taylor,

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Speaker 3: Chris Taylor, and Reggie. So we go to our first

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Speaker 3: game was in the playoffs that year, was the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: And we go to play the Seahawks my first game.

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Speaker 3: And I had played with Marshaw earlier that year in

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Speaker 3: type of dog he was. But that run right there,

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Speaker 1: We just beat this team by like thirty, like three

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Speaker 1: So we also didn't have no running backs, like I

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Speaker 1: remember trying to do it too many at the end

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Speaker 3: So we went in there with so we were there

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Speaker 3: We're going over the playbook on the flight there, and

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Speaker 3: we get there and then Reggie was hurt yep uh,

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Speaker 3: following week. And so on a flight back, he was like,

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Speaker 3: and learn the playbook. So when we lost that game,

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Speaker 3: next week. I said, wait what wait they had he's

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Speaker 3: taking I don't know they didn't. Did they not trust Chris?

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Speaker 1: there him Like, right, did they put Chris in? I

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Speaker 1: have no idea, no idea, And so it was in you.

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Speaker 3: We had been with four of the team and I

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Speaker 3: had to have four of the playbooks in my head.

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Speaker 3: That's cool that he signed me up. I'm here for it.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, so the following year, I was with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had some dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they end up drafting mark Ingram the following year

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Speaker 1: to the next part of your career where you really flourished. That.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were sitting there just cheering for you

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Speaker 3: No thanks to who was that trainer, Scott? It was

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Speaker 3: a Scott Scotty Scotty.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not gonna throw Scotty Patton under the bus.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna throw him under there. Let's just drive at

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Speaker 1: he's with the UFL. He's head trainer somewhere else. But hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw Scottie out of the bus.

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Speaker 4: So I'll just tell you a quick story. Was so

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Speaker 4: it was me, a trainer and a doctor in the room.

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Speaker 4: Doctor said, listen, don't touch the fieldtil I come back

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Speaker 1: And so I got heated. I got mad.

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Speaker 3: I said, you know what, give me a compression sleeve. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and I remember Coach Peyton called me up to his office. Hey, joke, Hey,

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Speaker 3: it's Joy coach. That's what I say. I said, Jory,

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Speaker 3: come come on in here. So I come in the

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Speaker 3: I don't know who the guy at the time was, tell.

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Speaker 1: You bring it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody got So the Green Ripper comes you, tell me

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Speaker 3: I'm out of here. Because you know, they got Pierre,

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Speaker 3: darren spros. They don't need a fifth running back. And

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Speaker 3: go into the season with five running backs, but you

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Speaker 3: played so good you made us keep you. And I said,

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Speaker 3: feel like you might have a future. I said, great,

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Speaker 3: But what happened was I damaged my knee so bad

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Speaker 3: think of was who was the baseball player that got injured?

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Speaker 1: Oh, the one that that what's his name came in?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, right and again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that story and that story just went in

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Speaker 3: getting signed with the Lions later on in the year.

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Speaker 3: Had to choose between three teams, the Broncos, the Vikings,

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Speaker 3: I ended up choosing the Alliance.

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Speaker 1: Great it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a great choice at the time. I can

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Speaker 3: come here, I can compete.

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Speaker 1: I could.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I was more marketable here. It was you know,

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Speaker 3: and so it was great for me to come back

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Speaker 3: and play for the hometown team.

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Speaker 1: You say on your Instagram, it says, uh, say it again,

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Speaker 1: stay it own lout Ben Harbor raised me, but Detroit

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Speaker 3: No money working two jobs, had my son was going

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some of your best years were in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I grew up here in Michigan, go to college right

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Speaker 3: And so it was a great experience for me, and

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Speaker 3: If I'm going to have to pay taxes, I want

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Speaker 1: I want to know this. Sorry, go ahead. When you

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Speaker 1: that fence now, hey, y'all seeing that X slickery, was

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Speaker 1: you just like, man, look, it's not I'm not willing

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Speaker 3: So my job wasn't that. My job wasn't that strenuous.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about this juice that you said

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Speaker 1: that like you didn't want like people started reaching out

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Speaker 3: You know what though me leaving Detroit and going to

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Speaker 3: go play for you know, those four different teams and

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Speaker 3: there's no reason to respeck out now, right, there's no

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Speaker 3: I need some help. I'm just scroll. I can't call nobody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: And so once I kind of went through my phase

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have to buke it down to take care

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Speaker 3: of yourself and start saying no, then you know it

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Speaker 3: got a little bit easier for me, right and then

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Speaker 3: but you know, you're gonna have some people that are

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Speaker 3: you know, that are up here versus like I'm not.

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Speaker 3: You got my dukes and you got everybody else.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell mine no, but we might need to

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Speaker 3: like this versus like this, right, you know, and because

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Speaker 3: that I've been here in my head that your money

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Speaker 3: work for you. I never knew what that meant until,

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Speaker 3: you know, I needed to make my money work for me.

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Speaker 3: No, I had to go figure it out. And then

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Speaker 3: I didn't like talking to people. I grew up with

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Speaker 3: every off season they have these different programs for players

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Speaker 3: So I'm doing all these different things. I'm going back

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Speaker 3: so I'm doing all these different things. Like just what,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on the master's degree. I'm trying to get Rome

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Speaker 3: I feel I totally understand. I want to got my

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Speaker 1: So what was it like in twenty thirteen you knew Reggie,

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Speaker 3: It's weird, right, fun? So it was fun, But this

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Speaker 3: Let's stay on top of each other at each other.

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Speaker 3: He was like, for sure, let's do it. So I

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Speaker 3: My first workout Pardoner God with rest is Soul writing Hilmet,

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Speaker 1: Loved him.

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Speaker 3: But when I went out there, and one thing I

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: To get back into the season, so we go out

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Speaker 1: We haven't spoke.

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Speaker 3: So what he comes into I remember, he comes into

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Speaker 1: So kind of full circle.

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Speaker 3: So we sat next to each other in meeting rooms

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Speaker 3: we played about ten games of ping pong. I beat

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Speaker 3: He's like Michael, George's like one more game like he

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Speaker 3: and after he wins, so I let him win the game.

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Speaker 1: I let you win. I let you win the game.

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Speaker 3: He finally let me meet the crib you know, and

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Speaker 3: uh this competitor of nature one another, but still this brotherhood.

436
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Speaker 3: And so when the season came around, we really thought

437
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Speaker 3: we were going to be the three headed monster with

438
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 3: me and him michaela Shore. And as the season got started,

439
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 3: it was just me and Reggie and then Theo Riddick

440
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: started to get a little bit more playing time. Then

441
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 3: and so by the end of the season, like me

442
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 3: and Reggie like did something very special, right, and we

443
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: always pushed each other. I fed off of him in

444
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 3: games whenever I so I'm doing on will always cheerity.

445
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 3: Mom always wanted him to be successful and vice versa

446
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: for me. Right, I scored, he's the first one there.

447
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: He scored on the first one there. And uh, I

448
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 3: think that's what made our our running back room so unique.

449
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back,

450
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: all right, So how did you take all the motivation

451
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, from being cut, from moving around your Wayne

452
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: State days security top flight? That is too so now

453
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: you use all that fuel to fire that to get

454
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: on your NFL career to what you're now you're doing

455
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: in your second act, Like, how are you using that

456
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: same type of motivation to be successful in what you're

457
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: doing now? It's very unique.

458
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: You always hear people say, you know, football teaches you

459
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: more than just football to teach you about life, and

460
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: they never tell you and well, what aspects you are?

461
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 3: What it teaches you discipline and it's like a very

462
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 3: stereotypical and you know, answer to that, but they never say, well,

463
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: what's discipline, you know, And me, discipline is saying it's

464
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 3: saying no to something that you want to do but

465
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: you know you should be doing it, or doing something

466
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: that you're supposed to do, but you don't want to

467
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: do it right. And so football taught me that discipline

468
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: on doing what I'm supposed to do? You know, Can

469
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 3: I wake up in the morning and go run sixty

470
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Speaker 3: one tens with a thirty second break in between and

471
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: make all my times in the fourteen seconds? Am I'm

472
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: willing to do that? Do I want to go do that?

473
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: Right?

474
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: I can go do the Q stuff, I can go

475
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: do the foot drills, I can go catch a hundred balls.

476
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 3: But it's a different mindset when you can barely breathe

477
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 3: and you want to feel sorry for yourself and you

478
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: want to just that's enough work for the day. And

479
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: for me, I always have the mindset of if I

480
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: just do a little bit more than the next every day,

481
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: just that much more. By the end of the week,

482
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: that little bit turns into that. By the end of

483
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: the month, it turns into that, by the end of

484
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: the year turns into that. And I always wanted to

485
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 3: when I train or anything, I always wanted to have

486
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: the mindset of I never want to look back and say, joy,

487
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 3: you could have trained harder, you could.

488
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: Have did this a little bit more, right.

489
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: And when I go into the business world, before I

490
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: make an investment, I learned early on that you want

491
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: to do your due diligence not just on the project,

492
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: but also on the people that's running the project. And

493
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: just through my process, I've learned a lot surrounding myself

494
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: around people that are smarter than me, learned a lot and.

495
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: Just use the same.

496
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: I use the same mindset I use with football when

497
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: it comes to business and that aspect always trying to

498
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: outwork the next person.

499
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: Right.

500
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: So, Rome and I since our retirement, we've been doing

501
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: you know, he's got SEC network. Then we got this

502
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: NFL Player second X podcast. This is the venture we're

503
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: doing right now. What are some of the ventures you're doing?

504
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: I know business, right, That's that's one of the many

505
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: things that you can you explain or talk about some

506
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: of the other things that.

507
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: You do because you wear a lot of hats. Yeah,

508
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: so I do so. Uh.

509
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: I'm truly blessed to have a good team around me.

510
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 3: So the first thing I ever started doing, I started

511
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: my nonprofit my foundation.

512
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: What's it called.

513
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: It's called the j Drug Bell Charity. Okay, So if

514
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: you guys want to check it out, go to drug

515
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: bow dot com. Plug you know, drug bow dot com,

516
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 3: j O I q U E B E l L

517
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: dot com.

518
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: And what we do is uh.

519
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: When I initially started that, I started it because I

520
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: would go do these football camps around the country for

521
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 3: like different players, coaches, scouts, and I would go there

522
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: and I would see these kids and how their eyes

523
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: were light up when they saw me. I'm like, wow,

524
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: like I'm really like these kids hero, Like I never

525
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: had this growing up? Like why did I ever have

526
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: this growing up? Then I light bulb went off, Well,

527
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: how about you just take it back to your community.

528
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 3: It's like cool, I'm taking this back. So I started

529
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: off with my first ship with this with a celebrity

530
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: basketball game, and it was more so like a local

531
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: basketball game. It was the two thousand and five class.

532
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: We felt that we were the best basketball class to

533
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: come through Ben Harbor. Other classes had some other thoughts,

534
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: so we said, listen, get you all teams together. Well,

535
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: from from nineteen ninety one all the way up to

536
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: two thousand.

537
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: That's a huge age gap.

538
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, from from ninety one to two thousands

539
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: when you were winning or no, no, no, this is

540
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: like anyone who played.

541
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Okay, they can't put one team.

542
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they put one team together, gets players, get your

543
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: best players, and then we'll just get the two thousand

544
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: and five class and we'll play.

545
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

546
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: So we played, and they was torturing us, all right,

547
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: but we had one thing on our side that they didn't.

548
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: We had youth.

549
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: And so I said, listen, I told her, I said,

550
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: add ten more minutes onto the game. And we just

551
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: ran them down till they got tired. Oh yeah, oh yeah,

552
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: we don't lose that. Losing that mind.

553
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: You get outside your box.

554
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, I got to think outside the box.

555
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like business. You got to think

556
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: outside the box.

557
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's on from there.

558
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: I started doing football camp, dance camps, and then I

559
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: got to a point to where I wanted to do

560
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: something where I wasn't just given a fun experience. As

561
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: I sat down one day prayed, as got to give

562
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: me a different direction on what to do with my nonprofit,

563
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: but something that can benefit these kids fifteen twenty years

564
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: from down the road. And so my school was ready

565
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: to one out of ten. And you know, I always

566
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: hear stories like, you know, Ben Harper's bad, the students

567
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: not smart. And I remember playing a team. I'll never

568
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 3: forget this. We're playing a school Lake Shore, I never

569
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: forget it. And we were beating their team, and the

570
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: student section streamed out, that's all right, that's okay, we

571
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: have higher GPAs.

572
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: And I heard that, and I remember that.

573
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: I was like, man, that I took that kind of

574
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: person because I had a three point I'm pretty, I'm pretty,

575
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: I'm doing I'm okay, you know, but that just gave

576
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: me the notion of like, this is what people outside

577
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: of Ben Harbor think of us think of us?

578
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Right?

579
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: And so I saw looking into doing research on why

580
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: we were rated on one out of ten, and one

581
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: of the thing was our literacy level. You know, ninety

582
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: five the ninety six percent of kids are not reading

583
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: that great level, right, And that's a high number, right.

584
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: And so I teened up with this program called Beyond Basics,

585
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: and we have grade level movement within our program. Within

586
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: four to fourteen weeks, tenth grader reading the fifth grade level.

587
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: We went through our program fourteen weeks tested out reading

588
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: that eleventh grade level. And the reason that we're I'm

589
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: so passionate about it because you look at the numbers,

590
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: third graders who are not reading that grade level a

591
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: six eight percent higher chance of going to prison third

592
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: grade prisons are. And it's a lot of correlation. They

593
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: say is, They say is, it's not, but it is.

594
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: It's a lot of correlation with third grade literacy levels

595
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: in this country and the building of the prisons. Eighty

596
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: five percent of people in prison are illiterate. Seventy percent

597
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: of juveniles that are drivenile detentions are illiterate. And so

598
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: this is just one thing that I started to do

599
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: research on and so, well, what can I do? And

600
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: so I started saying, Okay, how can we raise more

601
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: money to get this program into Ben Harbor High School.

602
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: So I started having my JBT joy Build charity weekend

603
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: and we raised probably close to a half a million

604
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: to get this pilot started in Ben Harbor and so

605
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: this year would be the second year that we're in

606
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: Ben Harbor High School area school. So it was a

607
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: it was a long fight, but we got it done.

608
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: That's dope. Got to make you feel good though, Yeah, Yeah,

609
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: like to you know, have something affect you, because once

610
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: you're affected by something, you become an advocate for it.

611
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: So hearing that word that one yeer about the GPA,

612
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: hold on dog. Yeah, but then you're like, I'm going

613
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: to become an advocate, like I'm going to change that perception

614
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: of not just myself but for all the people around me,

615
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: and you being the steward of it all. I think

616
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: that's a big hats off to you, Joy, because I

617
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: didn't know you had accomplished that. And that is why

618
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: we have charities. That is exactly why you do the

619
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: things that you do. And it's not for the praise

620
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you now, but it's hopefully to see,

621
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: like you said, see lives change ten fifteen years down

622
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: the road.

623
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just I think the most rewarding thing though,

624
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: is seeing the outcomes right or even the kids who

625
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: don't know they need it right come here. And the

626
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: thing is is the kids are not only dealing with this,

627
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: but they're also dealing with, you know, issues at home,

628
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: like they have to grow up faster than they need

629
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: to be. So I'll give you a quick story of

630
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: how I even met this program. I can't make in

631
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: town from a trip, and Allions called me and said,

632
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: listen to somebody canceled on this speaking of games and tomorrow.

633
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: Are you in town? I said, I actually just got

634
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: back in town today.

635
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: What is it?

636
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: And they said, well, you know you're going to speak

637
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: to a group of kids, just telling me your story

638
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: and it should be easy. So I like, no problem,

639
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: So I'll go there. I give my story, give my spell.

640
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: And one of the kids stands up and I'm ready

641
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: for the question, because you get what kind of car

642
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: you drive? You know, what's so forty? You know Reggie Bush,

643
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: you haven't met Kim k Like, these are the questions,

644
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: no doubt.

645
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: I got that question. You know.

646
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: All these questions, right, So I'm getting these questions, and uh,

647
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: this kid stands up and it's the rarest question I've

648
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: ever been asked. I've never been and it was he

649
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: he worded it so and he said, how are we

650
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: supposed to come in to school every day? And these

651
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: teachers want us to learn, but we don't. We don't

652
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: have food at home, we don't have water, we don't

653
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: have clean clothes, and we don't know what our next

654
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: moment is coming. How do they expect us, sister, to

655
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: get all of that and just focus on school. And

656
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: I said, wow, they hit me right, took me back

657
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: to my childhood and so so and it was so

658
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: and the answer was so organic, so authentic. I remember

659
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: bits and piecea but luckily the news was there and

660
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: they capture what I said. But I couldn't. I couldn't

661
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: tell you what I said, but I do remember one

662
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: part what I said. Listen, this is this is not

663
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: your life. This is just a moment in your life.

664
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: And if you can figure out how the way to

665
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: get pass this right here, you get into the real world,

666
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: it will be a piece of cake for you. Like

667
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: and so he kind of looked at me, nodded his

668
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: head and sat back down. And it's so usually when

669
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm done doing speaking engagement, I'll just do it and

670
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: I dip. I sat in the first row for the

671
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: rest of the program. I wanted to meet the person

672
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: who was the president of this organization and so and

673
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: it was Pam Good. I meet her afterwards and she says, like, listen,

674
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: you want to come out of headquarters. We can show

675
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: you what we're doing. You know, you know all the

676
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: kids that were in here this is the weekend. Every

677
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: kid that was in there was volunteering to be there.

678
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: It was over one hundred kids there. What's the age

679
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: from K to twelve? K to twelve? And so I

680
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: go to the headquarters. She put out this big book

681
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: and she showed me all the kids that they've worked

682
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: with that year, well grade they were in, where these

683
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: kids were at when they tested them, like the beginning

684
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: to assess them, and then what they tested out at.

685
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: And I said, wow, these numbers like people moving up

686
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: seven six, seven, eight grade levels fourteen weeks. Like I

687
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: need to see what you guys are doing. So I

688
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: go out to one of their sites and I'm looking

689
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: at the interaction between the student and the tutor, and

690
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: after about thirty minutes, I stopped the session said listen

691
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: can I asked the student a couple of questions. She

692
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: said yeah, go ahead, And I asked the young lady,

693
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: I said, what do you like about this program? She said, well,

694
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: you know, I like that it's helped me to push

695
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: me through, Like I'm reading words and I'm able to

696
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: sound out words that I've never thought I would be

697
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: able to do.

698
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: And so.

699
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: I said, okay, so what's the most influential part about

700
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: about this, And she basically said that my tutor, like

701
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: she comes to my games, we talk about life, we

702
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: talk about we talk about things I have going on,

703
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: and she's the most consistent person I have in my life.

704
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: And I said, I said wow. I said wow, Like

705
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: I need this program in ben Harvard. So that's when

706
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: I started fighting and get it there.

707
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back in a minute.

708
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: So I'm a man of quotes, and I think quotes

709
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: resonate with me because typically whenever I'm going through something

710
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: or I've been through something, I've read something on the

711
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: wall and I'm just like, huh, and this particular quote

712
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: or whatever it's gotten me through something tough. So I

713
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: want to read a quote to your real quote. Does

714
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: your environment control your thinking? Or does the way you

715
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: think control your environment? As excuse me?

716
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: How does that?

717
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: How does that drive you to make you do what

718
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: you're doing right now with all of the community things,

719
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: your your your your your foundation, the charity work. How

720
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: does what does that quote resonate with you? Or why

721
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: does that quote resonate with you?

722
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: Because uh, I think.

723
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: That straight out of content when he said that we're

724
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: just talking about this is our news when we open

725
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: up our front door, this is what we see, right,

726
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: and so it's just having that different outlook.

727
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: Right.

728
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: If you have to go out and see that every

729
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: single day, right, you have to you know in your

730
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: subconscious mind is going to start the resonating. Okay, this

731
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: is this is it. A lot of kids have been Harbor.

732
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: They've never been outside of Ben Harbor. They don't know

733
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: what it's like to go to La go to Miami,

734
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 3: you know, go to Greece, go to Paris.

735
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: All they know is Ben Harbor.

736
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: And I remember growing up, my mom told me that

737
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: joy is a whole world out there outside of Ben Harbor.

738
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: And I was a kid, I'm like, Harber's great. I

739
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: love it here. I don't let it go anywhere. But

740
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: as a kid, you know, I mean I didn't I

741
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: don't know I was in poverty. I just know that

742
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: out of mind that loved me, had my sister and

743
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: my grandparents, and I was blessed.

744
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know that.

745
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: You know us, you know, taking our water holes, connected

746
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: it to our neighbor's house, and then connected our holes

747
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: to our house, turning the water on to give us

748
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: running water in our house, and if we're filling up

749
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: drugs of water and storing it or you know, for

750
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: a week at a time, so be cause we don't

751
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: know when water is gonna either come back on or

752
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: if it's going to get cut back off at the time.

753
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: I don't like, We're not on poverty. It's just just

754
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: just life. I don't know, you know, I don't know.

755
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: You know, our iron doesn't work, so we have to,

756
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: you know, turn on the stove, put the iron on

757
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: the store, let it get hot. That aren't not closed

758
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: that way. I thought that was just you know, the

759
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: way of living. But as you get older, you're like, oh,

760
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: we was in poverty, but it didn't feel like poverty, right,

761
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: It was just kids growing up, right, And so I

762
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: never once I figure that out. I never had the

763
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: mindset of, you know, I'm poor.

764
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

765
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: I always knew that I was going to have some

766
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 3: type of success. From the age of eight, I knew

767
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: I was going to the NFL.

768
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: I knew it.

769
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: No one could tell me anything. My senior season, my

770
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: mom said, JOI, what are you gonna do after this year?

771
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: So I'm going to the league. But what happened to you?

772
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Don't I'm going who you been talking to nobody. How

773
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: do you know?

774
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I just know.

775
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: I just felt. I just knew it was too much.

776
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: I did too much work to not make it like

777
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: I put in too much work. No one's ever worked

778
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: like in my mindset, nobody ever worked as hard as me.

779
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: And what people don't realize. When I graduated from Wayne State,

780
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: I was top ten and rushing, I was top ten

781
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: and scoring. I was top ten in all purpose jars

782
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: in NCAA history if it's one two three one double

783
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: A history, And I didn't I didn't even know that

784
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: until after I finished.

785
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 1: Right, And so.

786
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: Even after doing all of that, one of the D

787
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: two heismen leading the country in all three major categories,

788
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: I still didn't get drafted. And that's how hard it

789
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: is to get into the NFL R. That's how hard

790
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: it is. The leader country in all three categories and

791
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: still not get picked up by a team is I

792
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: didn't understand it. But once I got to the NFL,

793
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: and I saw a D lineman that waged about three

794
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 3: point thirty running down the sideline of TEPS, TJ. Spiller

795
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: who ran a four two eight at the combine on

796
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: the on the hip mistake. Hey, welcome to the lee

797
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: little fella like this big guy. I'm like, man, these

798
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: guys are serious out here. Yeah, these guys are serious

799
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: and so uh that was just my mindset, man, honestly,

800
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: And I heard that quote before and I could remember

801
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: for bating what it said.

802
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad you Yeah, please do. I'll definitely

803
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: send it to you. Yeah. So this is something we

804
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: ask a lot of our guests. It's her Mount Rushmore question.

805
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Right, So you've had a tremendous lifestyle life, success, some failures.

806
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: Who is on your personal a Mount Rushmore of life?

807
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: You know the people, the person's the group of people

808
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: that have helped you get to help you get to

809
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: where you are right now?

810
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 3: Oh oh you got four? I got Yeah, I got four?

811
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: For sure? That's yours. So dude's my shack shack shack

812
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: like that his story? Okay, like you guys ever heard

813
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: the story? I saw the documentary, but I don't like,

814
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: is there a specific story? Is a story?

815
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: So he came out, he came out, and I remember,

816
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this story. He was coming out from LSU,

817
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: he was entering the drift, and he knew he was

818
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: gonna get at least a million dollars on this contract.

819
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: He had like a million dollar line of credit. And

820
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: so he's been that thing. Boy he got so he

821
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: went out to the Benz dealership, bought himself a car

822
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty K, came home, showed his dad,

823
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: Hey Dad, he like my new He said, Oh that's

824
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: a nice son. Where's mine? He said, you know what,

825
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: You've been a good dad to me. I'll love you.

826
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: Come on, Let's go get you one. Take them down there.

827
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: Get someone comes back home, pulls up, They go in

828
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: the house. Mom comes outside. David owes some nice cars,

829
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: like yeah, like, where's mine? Come on, mom, let's go

830
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: get you. One goes down there, another one fifty he is.

831
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: Now he all in fortune and fifty k. And then

832
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: you know the draft is coming up. So he said

833
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: he gonna get his jeweler d his customer suits. All

834
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: that got to do. All that, he said. He ended

835
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: up getting a call from a family friend who was

836
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: a banker. He said, Hey, Shack, can I talk to

837
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: you for something? He said yeah. He said, hey, you

838
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: know you know how to read bank bank ledgers?

839
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: He like yeah.

840
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: He said, I want you to go through this with me.

841
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: And after they were done, that got done going through it.

842
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: He said, you know, you're, you know, one hundred and

843
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: eighty thousand dollars in debt right now. He said, what

844
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 3: you mean, I'm about to get a million dollars on

845
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: my contract, he said. He said, but yeah, Shack, you

846
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: don't have to pay taxes. He said, Oh, he ain't

847
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: really know nothing about taxes.

848
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: And so.

849
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: The guy on the phone tells him, Shack, you're a

850
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: smart kid. Like, we know you're gonna get paid. We're

851
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: gonna set this one hundred and eighty thousands aside right now.

852
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: We're not gonna this against you. He said, But listen,

853
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: don't be that guy. And he said he's always heard that,

854
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: don't be that guy, but never knew what it meant,

855
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: just the same way I didn't know what it meant

856
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: when I you know, when I heard you know, money

857
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: make money for you, that your money work for you.

858
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: And he sat back, analyzed his lifestyle and when he

859
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: played the game, he never spent the dollar of his

860
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: contract money. He only spent money toward his endorsements, right,

861
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: and so like, man, that's an amazing story. And just

862
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: to see how many businesses he's now, it's ridiculous. He's

863
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: in everything everything, so so he's on my mouth rushmore

864
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: like that. Major Johnson is another one. Oh, another man

865
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: that's into everything and everything. Another guy that was influential,

866
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: Uncle Wes worldwide West William Wesley was very influential. And

867
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: then we're just talking.

868
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: About yours are all business entprene.

869
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it, that's it. Yeah, Like I love football. Yeah,

870
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Speaker 3: I mean we want to put Barry up there. I mean,

871
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Speaker 3: if you want we want to put Barry, if you

872
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: want to put Barry and if we want to ask

873
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: some sports elements to it, no, I got to give

874
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: it a Barry. I mean, I think he's the best

875
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Speaker 3: player to ever played the game. And the reason I

876
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: say that because I feel he's he would be successful

877
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: in football in any era of football, right, I don't know,

878
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think you know Jim Brown was great.

879
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be Jim Brown in this era

880
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: of football when everybody's big, right, you can't run through everybody, right,

881
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: and so, but you know late great, So that will

882
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Speaker 3: probably be my four right there.

883
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard the very beary Centers comparison.

884
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: He could play it any in any era. That's I

885
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: like earlier, my arguably my greatest, the greatest ever played

886
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Speaker 1: the game. He's I'm a big Bearry center guy. But yeah,

887
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Speaker 1: it's hard not the litt what Barry do. I'd love

888
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: to see Barry Centers playing nineteen twenty anywhere.

889
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Speaker 2: I would have loved to see him play George Holles

890
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty John United, Oh my god, Bronco Nugorski.

891
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Speaker 1: I would have loved to have seen that. Hilarious.

892
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but yeah, but like so for my nonprofit

893
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: from that, that's the first thing I started. Second thing

894
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: I started was my real estate about my first well

895
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: estate property in thirteen and grow from one to a

896
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: little bit of a four hundred now units and I

897
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: want to get into development now.

898
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I started up a tech company. Joy Man, you

899
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: are a man of many trades and talents. Man. I

900
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: always knew you were a special brother man since day one.

901
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: It's great here in all the real estate, especially being

902
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: in Detroit, being in this area. If anybody's able to

903
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: impact this community, it should be you, and you should

904
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: want to do it and see change and see it

905
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: be better. It's great, man, you know what I mean?

906
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Like I think that also is a great opportunity too.

907
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: They say timing, location, all these things.

908
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: People always say that location is the biggest thing in

909
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: real estate, but not always like location and timing are

910
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: the two biggest part, right, Because I tell everybody, you

911
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: don't make your money on the sale, You're making money

912
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: on the buy. And so whenever I buy any property,

913
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I'm getting at the

914
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: very at the lower at the lowest point, right, and

915
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: then selling at the highest and even if I don't sell,

916
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, to avoid capital gains, we just refine, right, Yeah,

917
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: you can't capital gain, you can't. You can't capital gain

918
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: tax I mean that, I'm sorry. And so for me,

919
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: it's always been a mindset of buy, hod refine, and

920
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: repeat the process over and over and over and just

921
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: hold on to your to your assets. So that's always

922
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: kind of been my mindset and so far, you know,

923
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: as a steer me wrong. But you know, and every

924
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: business you're going to hit some bumps and hurdles. But

925
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: part of it, it's part of it's part of the gang, right,

926
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: it's part.

927
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Speaker 1: Of forty years old. Yeah, I mean, you got you're

928
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: doing awesome. You're not even forty years old, yet you

929
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: got four hundred units, you're starting a tech company, you're

930
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: doing your thing. Proud of you, man, I'm man, I'm

931
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: just saying, Man, I'm just looking at you. I'm telling you,

932
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: I just I'm more impressed just because I know where

933
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: you started at and it's you know, to see that

934
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: part of it. And now see you look more comfortable.

935
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: You look like you're in your space. I mean you're

936
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: owning your own look your own like you are. You

937
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: look like confidence. Like it's just really good.

938
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: You understand. Like when I knew Joy, Joy had dreads

939
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: like a lot. Yeah, so like we say.

940
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I don't yeah anyway, so educated, I will

941
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: do that off camera, okay, but it is. It's really great.

942
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you here. Man. I love

943
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: hearing your story. I love hearing the things that really

944
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: influence you and have made you who you are. I

945
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: love that's your philanthropy piece, the reading part, because I'm

946
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: a big advocate for that, especially early age reading. And

947
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: it's really good. So now, because so often everybody just

948
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: thinks we're just these football players and when we're done,

949
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: we either fade the black or we get alcoholics. We struggle,

950
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: or we have people that have a lot of money

951
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: in there do these other things. But it's a lot

952
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: of guys like you who are impacting their communities, who

953
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: are not heard of outside of their own communities, who

954
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: are doing such great things inside of it and outside

955
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: of it. So Man, thank you for being here and

956
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: telling your story.

957
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: Oh Man, you know what, Man, I thought to this point,

958
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: maybe was one of my favorite people to transition from

959
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: the sport to sitting in front of a camera. Should

960
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: you do? Very impressed? You guys are up there. I

961
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: didn't you know, and this is my first time like

962
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: really sitting in and doing it. But you guys are

963
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: up there.

964
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: Seriously, we'll take it man, anytime we can be cared

965
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: compared to Man. Yeah, you got two compliments. Great compliments

966
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: is awesome.

967
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say thank you for blessing

968
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: us Man with your presence and your energy and your

969
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: story and just everything you're doing. I'm inspired to go

970
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: do some business now. I'm I'm definitely inspired to do

971
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: some some REFI I.

972
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: Mean ref scared right now depending on where you got

973
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: it already it is, but I'm ready to do it. Yeah.

974
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: Well all right, man, let's get us up out of here. Man,

975
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Joy, I want to talk to you

976
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: about the reading thing though after we get out of here. Well,

977
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: thank you all to our listeners and viewers. Wherever you

978
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: pick up your podcast, whether it's Apple Podcast, iHeart, make

979
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Speaker 1: sure you give us a five star rating, give us

980
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: a review, leave a couple of comments. Hell us, what

981
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: we're doing great. And if we're doing some bad, talk

982
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: to us then too. Make sure you hit that follow button.

983
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: Tell a friend to tell a friend to do what

984
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: you tell a friend. We go, baby, and let's keep

985
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: this thing moving. Man. Hear me more more great stories

986
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: from other former guys in their second act, like Joke

987
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Bell that's really killed in the game, man, and so

988
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: many different facets of life. Man, Really proud of you

989
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: and just love hearing your story from a former teammate.

990
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: And the man was almost a throwaway free agent doing

991
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: big things in the Big d Man. Proud of you, man,

992
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: really really beautiful story. Man, Peanut, Man, get us out

993
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: of here. Hey, I'm Peanut.

994
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: That's joke and this is the fifth top Mister Roman Harper.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all for tuning in and listening to the NFL Players,

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Speaker 2: Second Acts podcast