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Speaker 2: I have Michael R. Carmichael Chief Warrant four Special Forces

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Speaker 2: Green Beret. Michael Chief w four Special Forces retired, was

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Speaker 2: born in Helena, Montana, in November seventy one. He joined

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Speaker 2: Montana National Guard at seventeen, signed and sent from his

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Speaker 2: parents and high school in nineteen ninety, joined up and

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Speaker 2: decided to serve at a young age. It takes a

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Speaker 2: lot of cajones to serve the military, let alone at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: to step away from your parents and then become who

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Speaker 2: Secretary of something in the administrations of the presidency. You know,

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Speaker 2: but we're so happy to have you on. Michael. Let's

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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, thanks for joining me, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me on today. Red.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's very cool to have you know, a Green

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Speaker 2: beret on. You know my backstory as my father was

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Speaker 2: a Green Beret, and so I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: love for you know, that culture and that community. So

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Speaker 2: thanks a lot for going that path. But I do

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Speaker 2: have a question for you right off the bat when

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Speaker 2: it comes to becoming a warrant officer in a team

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Speaker 2: of Green Berets. Okay, you hear about lieutenants, you hear

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Speaker 2: about the privates moving up into corporals and getting sergeant ranks.

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Speaker 2: How does one become this elusive mister, this warrant officer

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Speaker 2: in an SF team. May I ask that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. So I stayed enlisted until

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Speaker 3: I thought I was experienced enough to be relevant in

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Speaker 3: the position of warrant officer. So I was an E

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So you have to submit an application, and really, the

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Speaker 3: guys whose signatures matter the most are your company warrant

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Speaker 3: officer and your battalion warren officer. So a CW three

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Speaker 3: pushback on me because the sergeant majors all had different

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Speaker 3: That's the stuff that's on the posters, not right a

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. So is it you filled the same classroom

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna come out as like a warrant officer.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I did that stuff in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 3: that the Special Forces Warrant officer is really like your

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for me, my test scores and stuff were high,

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Speaker 2: So you're basically combat surgeon in the field. If something

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Speaker 3: I mean that, and then some yeah, I actually gave

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Speaker 2: I did it, Yeah, just doing it. You just like,

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Speaker 2: At fifty try to put a chest tube into a patient.

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Speaker 3: He put the gun off to the side and he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they get it done.

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Speaker 2: Nothing a little duct tape and paracord can't do for

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred mile an hour tape. Yeah, what it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I was a good medic by, you know,

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Speaker 3: never liked being a medic. I just wanted to be

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Speaker 3: later I actually became a Fox and I was a

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Speaker 2: So human intelligence, right, hu human right, it's like human intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right. So you would work with people

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Speaker 3: That, right, And that's what separates this from other SOCOM

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Speaker 3: on our bad guys. We don't have other people doing it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: there's assets we can task, but especially as the team warrant,

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Speaker 3: I'm the targeting officer. You can look at it at

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Speaker 3: that position and really as the judge, the jury and

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Speaker 2: War WOW, and also as the medic. You also had

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Speaker 3: But I think what you're talking about would be a

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Speaker 3: it like we can't we're full stop if we get

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Speaker 2: Like what did it call that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Now, as a medic, all you can do is

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Speaker 3: it's make a recommendation. But it's the leadership, it's that

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well, first of all, it's got to be

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Speaker 2: go to eighteen delta school where I'd imagine you're working

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Speaker 2: A lot of us don't talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of us don't talk about that. But

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Speaker 3: it's safe to say that the first time I put

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Speaker 2: That's right. And you understood slipperiness and what was happening

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's just things probably in the manual

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Speaker 2: you know, like it tells you this is what happens

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Speaker 2: that is in you in your face? And I was

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Speaker 2: I couldn't save my sergeant? And I'm just being honest

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Speaker 2: And he's still doing healthy and he's working on firefighter

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Speaker 2: crew right now on like tree lines and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But there was a dark time in his life. And

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Speaker 2: he was a medic, you know, to serve others. So

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Speaker 2: who's there to serve him? Right? When the medic's down?

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Speaker 2: The medical almost, here's it, Doc's down? Oh what's wrong

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Speaker 3: It was January one, twenty sixteen. It was my first

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's great. Well you were talking about I

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Speaker 2: You know, Well there's a lot of it out there.

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Speaker 3: Right? So, sometimes learning what the right way to do

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Speaker 3: Why at that time it was twenty sixteen, there was

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Speaker 3: teach them exactly what you're saying. So I would say,

434
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: all right, you see all of this stuff on my uniform,

435
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: what is the most important thing here? And they're like

436
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: SF tab nope, Ranger tab nope, Hey Lojah Master nope,

437
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: six Bronze stars nope, No, none of that crap. I said,

438
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 3: the most important thing on this uniform is my name plate.

439
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: All of this other crap. You can go down to

440
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 3: the clothing and sales and.

441
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: Buy it, right, go buy it.

442
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: I said, You're not going to take anything from me.

443
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: But it's my name and it's that's who I am.

444
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, this is me,

445
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 3: and now I'm trying to give back and help my

446
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: brothers and sisters.

447
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, you know. And this is me, and

448
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: this is Michael and my listener and my viewer. That's you. Right,

449
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: So look in your mirror and say you're cool enough.

450
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: You can run your own business. You can do anything

451
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: you put your mind to. And you know, once you

452
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: take that uniform off, it can hang up in your closet.

453
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: You may not fit in it ever again, I still

454
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: fit in mine. Oh you're good. You're good.

455
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 3: You're a little six little baggy. I mean at this point, actually.

456
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm six five and two eighty, so I'm excusing. Yeah, well,

457
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: you know, six ' five two eighty. Let's go play

458
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: some football. I don't know why. My mom and dad

459
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: always thought i'd break a pinky when I was little,

460
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: and it would ever sat straight. So they put me

461
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: into baseball, and so I learned. I played baseball for

462
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: like seventeen eighteen. I thought that's the past, that was

463
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: the trajectory. Was was baseball. But something got in the

464
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 2: way of that and that stopped. But I still to

465
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: this day have a love for the Kansas City Royal.

466
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna shout them out. And you said, you're

467
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: in Kentucky and that's Louisville, Kentucky. And they got the

468
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: Louisville Slugger in Kentucky, right, yeah, they do.

469
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: But I'm not a baseball fan at all. But if

470
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: I if I had to pick, I would go with

471
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:27,719
Speaker 3: Saint Louis.

472
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Cards.

473
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: Please don't hate me. But I don't know's there's this

474
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: cool story behind that. But yeah, if I had to pick,

475
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: it would definitely be Saint Louis.

476
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Why is there a cool story behind that? I want

477
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: to hear this now, all right, Vet, let's go, Hey.

478
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: You bought the ticket, You're gonna watch the show red.

479
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: Because so I had just got out and I was

480
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: I was dating a gal who was she was like

481
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: the president of the regional Cancer Society. Okay, so it

482
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: was it was their event, their game of the season,

483
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: and she asked me if I wanted to go, So

484
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, I'm not into baseball. But it

485
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: was really an amazing experience, full VIP. I mean, we

486
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: got there, escorted around, saw a line of people waiting

487
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: for some autographs. She's like, you want an autograph and

488
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to stand that line, and

489
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: she's like she said, no, no, we don't have to.

490
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: We're not going there. So we go up to the

491
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 3: third floor and get off. I'm a little embarrassed because

492
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: I still don't know who they were. So we're in front.

493
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: I've got two balls for my kids. I'm standing in

494
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: front of their all star pitcher and one of their

495
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: biggest players, players of all time, and they're like okay,

496
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: So I said, can you write this one to Casey?

497
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: And then this one said Carly? And then I was like,

498
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: I was like perfect, and both of them are like,

499
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 3: you want to take a picture with us, and I'm

500
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: like I'm good. But then literally we sat. I sat

501
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: right behind the glass booth where the president would sit

502
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: because I was with her. But you know, that hospitality

503
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 3: and really feel for the stadium and the players. I

504
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: loved it man, so from now on, Saint Louis.

505
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Saint Louis. And also I want to say,

506
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: like Tony LaRussa or from the A's was the manager

507
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: of the team. When did you go see those guys?

508
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: Maybe the It wasn't with Mark McGuire, right, it was it?

509
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: No Mark, I would recognize Mark McGuire. Yeah, I would

510
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: have sized him up. Saint Yeah, he could probably take me.

511
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Well, let's get a make sure he's got a chance.

512
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: I'll take a picture.

513
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: That would have been twenty sixteen.

514
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen. Yeah, yeah, that's very cool. I'll tell you

515
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: a quick story. My dad know one that I loved

516
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: baseball as a young Aaron. He's like, I was like, Dad,

517
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: can I just got on your rucksack with you and

518
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 2: just go on drill or wherever you're going, because he's

519
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: going to do a Florida jump or somewhere in the

520
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: swamps of Florida from Utah. I don't know where it

521
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: was going, but I tried to climb in his rucksack

522
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: all the time and go with him. But he's like,

523
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: get me something. So I went He's like, well, give

524
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: me a baseball, so and grabbed him a baseball and

525
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: I have it to this. It's in a ziploc bag.

526
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: It's shlacked like it's from Babe Ruth Days, and it's

527
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: signed by my dad. It's like jumped nineteen eighty six

528
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: Florida Swamps. You know. He put it in his ruck

529
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: and he's like, here you go, son, I took you

530
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: with me. And so that's how instilling baseball is for me.

531
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: I just want you know, like he took my ball

532
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 2: to jump it right. Also fun fact him being an

533
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: eighteen echo, this is funny. We would I was like,

534
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: where are we going? Why are we going to the mall.

535
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: He's like, I gotta take something. I gotta take something back.

536
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: I was like okay, and I'm just young me. And

537
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: we walk in and Dad had these like Radio Shack

538
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: radio radios that he bought from Radio Shack for his

539
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: team outside the military. And they were like they would

540
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: only talk to themselves on these little radios. They were

541
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: just within themselves, and so he bought them. They had

542
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: to like pull the antenna over the head. It was

543
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: like dangle and bounce, and they had like the mic

544
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: and everything. And he was taking him back, but he

545
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: forgot to take off SFC RADL that was taped on

546
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: the box. So when I was like and I started

547
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: going sergeant first class and he rips it off. He's like,

548
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh, Dad, shushing me at radio

549
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: shacks counter because he's returning them after they use them

550
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: in whatever deployment. Sorry, radio shack. I hope you're still

551
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: in business. But I think there's one in Layton, one

552
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: here in Utah. Still there is a little radio shack.

553
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 2: But now check a VET. I know I go all

554
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: over the place, but that's what it is. This is

555
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: just who we are. And if someone wants to go

556
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: check a check a VET. I noticed on the app

557
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: when I was checking it Out'm gonna pull it up

558
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: real quick. Here. Let me just swipe open. It's that easy.

559
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: You've got taps Military Survivor Helpline on there. You've got

560
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: Psychological Health Rescue Center, You've got Military one Source, you

561
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: have download the Stanley Brown Safety Plan and what it

562
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: is the National Resource Directory. You have all of these

563
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: things here that somebody can just do what I'm doing.

564
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: We touch our cell phones twenty one hundred times a day.

565
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: If you're tripping out on your life and you want

566
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: to touch your cell phone. Why don't you just scroll

567
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: on this right here a few times and see that

568
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: you can reach out to somebody, even if it's not

569
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: me directly, or it's not Carmichael directly, you can reach

570
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: out to somebody directly, and that is going to listen

571
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: to you and say, hey, why don't you go get

572
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee and have a moment to yourself.

573
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: Right, So, let me talk to you about Chekhovett, and

574
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: you kind of jumped into some of the resources that

575
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: we have there. Initially, I thought, man, I want to

576
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: be like an all inclusive resource directory. It's not possible.

577
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 3: It really is not possible. So we kind of boiled

578
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: it down to the things that are in our wheelhouse

579
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: we can offer there. So I talked briefly about my

580
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: dark time or when I got out and Lewis literally

581
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 3: putting a dent in my bed. But I hadn't got

582
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: to the part where what made a difference for me

583
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: and what kind of turned me around. So I live

584
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: on the lake. Man at that time, I was living

585
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: in my house boat. It's hard to feel sorry for

586
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: yourself in that environment, but I sure shit was. My

587
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: neighbors actually found me absent from the get togethers, and

588
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't around, and they just start popping in on them.

589
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: They were honest, like we were good enough friends. He

590
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: only had to knock once and walk in. He wasn't

591
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: waiting for I come on in. No, And they were

592
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: honest with me, like like, man, this place is a mess.

593
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: You know, when's the last time you cleaned it? You

594
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: kind of stink, when's the last time you had a shower?

595
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, on and on and on with tough love,

596
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, calling me on my stuff. But they also

597
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: gave me love love, like all right, get cleaned up.

598
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna be back in the pontoon boat in twenty

599
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: minutes and we're going to go out in the lake.

600
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna go all the way down to Paris Landing

601
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: and we're going to have a nice, a nice lunch,

602
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: you know at Eagles. So they took me out of

603
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: my dungeon, ye, and they put me back in the sunshine.

604
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: They were checking on their vet.

605
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

606
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: The model is as simple as our name, and it's

607
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: it's not so much self help. A veteran going to

608
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: make themselves better. We see the frustration that that causes

609
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: through the VA Mental health care system. And I'm not

610
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: advocating and I'm not bashing. I'm just telling you my experiences.

611
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: In my perspective, that is really the sole lynch pin

612
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: to mental health for veterans, and that's why it's so stressful.

613
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: It's so stressful to get the next appointment continuity of care.

614
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: We just saw an amazing Twitter video I think his

615
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: name was Josh and as I was doing some of

616
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: the national news and interviews last week, that was really

617
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: a talking point and I said, while that video is

618
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: heart wrenching, it gives me hope because our model is

619
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: not wait for the next appointment or the next change

620
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: of prescription. Our model is be involved in your veterans' lives.

621
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: We all have veterans in our lives. Nobody has more

622
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: street credit with a veteran than another veteran. So yeah,

623
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: I want veterans to always check on their other vetsterans.

624
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: And in fact, one of the things that I was

625
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: telling is I want you to do the cell phone scroll,

626
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 3: open up your contacts, zip through there and find somebody

627
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: you haven't talked to in two or three years. I

628
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: want you to reach out to him or her and

629
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: sincerely see how they're doing see what they're up to.

630
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: You never know what you're going to find on the

631
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: other end of that line, and that phone call might

632
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: actually save a life. So by trying to convince Americans,

633
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: there's three hundred and fifty million Americans today, there's eighteen

634
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: million veterans. So if we just got veterans checking on veterans,

635
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: it's eighteen on eighteen million. I've been an asymmetric warfighter

636
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: my whole life, really, except for the Gulf War, and

637
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: I'm tired of that. I want to be on the

638
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: big team. I want to be on the army against

639
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: the smaller group. So let's convince three hundred and fifty

640
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: million Americans to be less busy, to be more considerate,

641
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: to treat these men and women like they are the

642
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: heroes that they are, and give them your time and

643
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: give them meaningful and routine contact and activities, just like

644
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: my neighbors were doing for me before I really self educated.

645
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: Rat I went from you know, a semi cool guy

646
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: with the gun and follow me into combat to a

647
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: big data nerd.

648
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 2: You know, I know, I do I do I do know,

649
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: I do know I know I know. You go from

650
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: this extreme athlete regiment dude, and like, your brain is

651
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: consistently moving, and you have a whiteboard that's got like

652
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: four years advanced planning on it that you've been that

653
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: now you're out and you still know those three years

654
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: of planning that you helped write.

655
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

656
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: And now you're sitting here going, Okay, I'm gonna put

657
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: a whiteboard up in my room. I'm gonna have one still,

658
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it. Do you still use a whiteboard?

659
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: No?

660
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: No? Okay, so you moved away from the whiteboard. I

661
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: have to take on.

662
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: My notes on my phone otherwise I'll screw it up.

663
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: Right, But I feel my thought for you here right.

664
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: You're so spun up, and you got so much planning,

665
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: and at a warrant officers level, at a mister level,

666
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: you're hearing things that the guys aren't hearing. It's like, oh,

667
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't buy that Ford f three fifty. You're

668
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: gonna be deploying soon. He's like, what I mean? You're like, well,

669
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: I know things about your future.

670
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I want to afford nods.

671
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need that payment. Trust me. You're deploying.

672
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, this wasn't my calling is I got out.

673
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: I was loss of identity, serious loss of purpose. So

674
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: I had a lot of opportunities to stay within the

675
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: d D because of my reputation or whatever was left

676
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: of it, or to go with the agency and take

677
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: a civilian job there.

678
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Become expendable, is what you're saying, because they're going to

679
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: use you and your skill set in a CIA clandestine situation. DD.

680
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, we'll use him, right. Well, yeah, I'm

681
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: not trying to be straight up about it, but you're

682
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: not expendable, bro.

683
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah right, But why I didn't One, I wanted to

684
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: succeed or fail on my own accord, not because it's

685
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: something I did on a battlefield somewhere. And Two, I

686
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: really think at that point in time, I had taken

687
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: enough of Michael. I have taken enough of myself away

688
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: from my kids, you know what I mean. It's time

689
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: to do that. So I started a fencing business, I mean,

690
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: of all things, to go from that to building agricultural

691
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: commercial and if I liked you, because there's no money,

692
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: and I might build you a residential fence.

693
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: That's a nice thing.

694
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: Right, We're not there yet. Maybe by the end of

695
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: the me I.

696
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: Need a neighbor to build a fence. Come on, come on.

697
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: So No, I wanted to succeed or fail on my

698
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: own accord based on how I treated people in the

699
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: job that I did. So I did that for six years.

700
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: And I was with the other their organization, and an

701
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: entertainer friend of mine came to a NASCAR event or

702
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: he's in the entertainment industry and straight up civilian, didn't

703
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: know nothing about nothing, and we were there kind of

704
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: gaggling around, and a gold star mom came up. So

705
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: that's for those who don't know most people do. That's

706
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: a mother who lost their son or daughter in combat.

707
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: So she came up and we all got serious. Yes, ma'am, No, ma'am,

708
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: hugs tears the whole nine yards. Well, my partner was

709
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: watching this and he's like he had to be thinking,

710
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on? Who is this? And

711
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it dawned on him, Oh

712
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: my god, she lost her child. He turned around and

713
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: walked off and was gone. He was gone for about

714
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: an hour and a half and I was like, what

715
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: the hell, that's not like this guy. Yeah, So when

716
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: he came back, he was like, he's like, bro, I'm sorry, man,

717
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: I lost my shit and wow, I didn't know. So

718
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: then he asked me, is this the right way to

719
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: do this? Is this the right way to prevent veteran suicide?

720
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is the second time you

721
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: heard me saying it. I was like, no, man, this

722
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: is stupid. He's like, all right, what do you gotta do? One,

723
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: we have to raise awareness to veteran suicide. If nobody's

724
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: talking about it, then it's not a problem. Not only

725
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: do we have to raise awareness to the issue, we

726
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: have to define the scope and scale of it. It

727
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: took me a long time to actually find a number

728
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: because if you google it, you'll get the same number

729
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: that Fox News put over the top of my op ed.

730
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: I got an op ed published in Fox News, so

731
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: I was like, yay, check AVT. But then what they

732
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: were talking about during the op ed presentation, like since

733
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: nine eleven, thirty and seventies Before they even got it

734
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: out of my mouth, my head's exploding. Right, that's not

735
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 3: the number, bro, It's not thirty and seventy seven. That's

736
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: based on some old Brown University study that buried in

737
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: the middle of it. The context of it is is

738
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: these are nine to eleven era veterans, only veterans who

739
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: joined after nine to eleven. So what about the salty dogs?

740
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: What about the guys who were in charge of those missions?

741
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: Their suicides don't count? No, no, do Nope not in

742
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: that study they didn't. So in trying to define the problem,

743
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: it took me like eight must to actually get a

744
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: number or something buried under an appendix in a sub

745
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: page on the on the website of the VA. I

746
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: actually found this. It's Appendix five oh eight, and it's

747
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: it's in the reports. It had the number for each

748
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: year since nine eleven calculator information the number rad. I'm

749
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: not putting you on the spot.

750
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: I want you to guess what the number is the

751
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: number of suicides since nine to eleven to today's. I'm

752
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: going to say probably like a one hundred and twenty

753
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: two thousand or so. What is the number?

754
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: So I gotta tell you that's the closest guest I've

755
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: ever had anybody get. It's one twenty seven. But but

756
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 3: so those aren't to today. That's off of last year's

757
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: VA suicide report. There. It takes two years to put

758
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: the report together. So those are the numbers from twenty twenty,

759
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: and I tell everybody I talk to who's interested, hold

760
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: my beer and watch this, because this is what's going

761
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 3: to happen. Because of COVID, because of the withdrawal from Afghanistan,

762
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: because of all the social stuff that's going on and

763
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: all the isolation. This next year's suicide report will be

764
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: the worst we've ever had. So let's do something about it.

765
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: So one twenty seven, five hundred and sixty. That's the

766
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: VA numbers. They don't publish it anywhere they ought to.

767
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: I mean, if I was in charge of a problem,

768
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to put that out there just so everybody

769
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: knows what the problem is. And that's what I'm doing.

770
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: You know. And they're probably not attributing certain conditions of

771
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: some sort or something or other to that number, like

772
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned. You know, they're like, what about the old

773
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: salty dogs that led these guys in? You know where

774
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: they are? They is? Everybody in this number? Is everybody

775
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: that can they track? You know. I did talk to

776
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: a major General, Richard Stone, who was the deputy director

777
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: of the VA, and we had a similar conversation about this.

778
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what about the unaccounted ones that

779
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: we don't add into these you know numbers. So if

780
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: you're out there and you're and you're tripping out and

781
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: you did go through isolation and you don't have anybody

782
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: because maybe you I don't know, maybe you don't have anybody,

783
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: hit us up, Hit me up, hit me up on Instagram.

784
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: You know, at rad Rocken, it's not to get likes

785
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: and follows. It's just say hey, what's up, bro, or

786
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: ma'am or sir or whatever I got bronouns. Okay, so

787
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: everybody's a bro, So what's up? Bro? Okay, that's great,

788
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: But it the end of the day.

789
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: Rad you have wonderful intention. Today you're my hero by

790
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: having me on and help me raise awareness to veteran suicide.

791
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 3: But our model is Americans, neighbors, family members, friends, get

792
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 3: involved in your veteran's life. They need you. Whether they

793
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: know it or not, it will be uplifting. So it's

794
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: back to that army of three hundred and fifty million,

795
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: back to the number. You're absolutely right and you hit

796
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: on some of the topics of Operation Deep Dive. Operation

797
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: deep Dive is a study that the American Warrior Partnership

798
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: did in coordination with Duke and the University of Alabama.

799
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: So they wanted their trying to define the problem, so

800
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: very thoughtfully they looked across eight states and one of

801
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: those states was Montana, which was at that time the

802
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: worst state in the nation for veteran suicide. I thought

803
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: that was a great pick. And it's yeah, born and

804
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: raised man, yeah right race. So yeah, So they started

805
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: looking at the small town, small communities, counties, cities, put

806
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: it together for the state what they found, and you

807
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: hinted on it. Some things don't count and really one

808
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: of the wavetops for Operation Deep Dive. Things that didn't

809
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: count were they called it self inflicted mortality. Okay, self

810
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: inflicted mortality is something like a drug overdose, right, if

811
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: you really look into the methodology of what the VA does,

812
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: Because I do, like I said, I'm a nerd. I

813
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: studied suicide on the global level through the WHO, the CDC,

814
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: and then I like to say I wrapped the camouflage

815
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: around it. But if you look into the methodology of

816
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: what the VA's doing, they say that they're looking at

817
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: the same code as the Deep Dive was. But it's impossible.

818
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: So like if you overdose by drugs or fill in

819
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: the blank, you take a bottle of pilon on. It's

820
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: gonna kill you, but it's gonna be painful. That's not

821
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: considered a suicide. That's considered a self inflicted mortality. So

822
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, isn't there some degree of common sense here?

823
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Like was this person trying to get high or were

824
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: they swinging for the fence trying to check out? Right,

825
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 3: you've got the information right in front of you. What's

826
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: it say?

827
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Wells their blood levels show inside of them if they

828
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: have all of this in them, did they just take

829
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: one pill and thought, oh I slipped and fifty fell

830
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: in with it. That's right, you know.

831
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: So you look at death by cop self inflicted mortality. Yeah,

832
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that make sense. Hey man,

833
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: this was a suicide. You know, this is a normal

834
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 3: person going out, didn't hurt anybody, But he's brandishing a

835
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: firearm in public, threatening to hurt somebody, and they killed it.

836
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: That's definitely him choosing to go out because I couldn't

837
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: do it himself.

838
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: That's right. That's absolutely right.

839
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Specific here because everybody is.

840
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah, you know. And then the other whole

841
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: category that nobody talks about. I don't even think they

842
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 3: talk about it in Deep Dive, and that is non

843
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: natural deaths. Okay, so you and this is really the

844
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: IDC ten codes. That's what medical examiners and corners use

845
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: to classify deaths. I become a nerd on that too.

846
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: So non natural deaths are something like drowning, something like

847
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: fall from a building, or fall from a cliff, or

848
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: single vehicle impact high speed, no other vehicles exactly. So

849
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: it's not a stretch to put your realism hat on

850
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 3: and look at somebody's service, look at when they got out.

851
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Maybe they do have feelings that they're better off without them.

852
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, yeah, then all this

853
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: sudden bam, what happened? So go back to deep dive.

854
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: They're very polite about thanking the VA, and like the

855
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: first sentence of every paragraph, they're thanking somebody. But if

856
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: you take the time to read the rest of the paragraph,

857
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: it's we couldn't get all the social security numbers to

858
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: actually put a good study together in spite of all

859
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: of the obstacles. The VA's got it. Why didn't they

860
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: share it?

861
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: Not in their interest, right, but it would because I mean,

862
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: like less people to help, you know, probably less on

863
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: their system. That's probably how like it's like all the

864
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: appointment did in check in today? All right? Next you know,

865
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: it's like exact and I's tind to be rude and

866
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm not knowing to advocate either way.

867
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 3: Veterans feel like that is a motivation of the treatment

868
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: that they get. I don't the recommendation that I give.

869
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: I try to give constructive advice. If you don't like

870
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: who you're talking to the VA, stop talk talking to them,

871
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: tell them you want somebody else. Sure, inside the VA,

872
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: outside of the VA. It's a process, but at the

873
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 3: end of the day, your hand has to fit into

874
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: a glove.

875
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: If you the VA and you're talking to somebody like

876
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: and their therapy and they're giving you what you're not wanting,

877
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: ask for what you want. Because you're the patient and

878
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: it's you that can ask your doctor for things. You

879
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: can say, hey, can I try maybe this alternate medicine

880
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 2: instead of what you're giving me? Or can I try

881
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: I did some research. Oh, stay off the internet. They'll say,

882
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: don't deep dive yourself. They'll say you'll go down a

883
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: rabbit hole of like, you know you're dying from some

884
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: type of lymphoma. When it's really just you're choking, you know.

885
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: That's what they'll try to tell you. But if you said, hey,

886
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: I want recreational therapy, oh holy cat, oh wow. If

887
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: you go to your VA, you know, liaison or whoever

888
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: you talk to, and you're rated, you're at the VA,

889
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: just say hey, what about physical recreational therapy? And what

890
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: I mean by that is thrills before pills. So Brandon Webb,

891
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: who owns software dot com, former Navy seal sniper, you know,

892
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: was just giving prescriptions all the time, you know, after

893
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: you got out, he's like here, take these, take that,

894
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: and it just like dumbed him down with clouds and

895
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: stuff he do me, you know. So he's just like

896
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: kicked it away. And he's hardcore skier, hardcore pilot, hardcore

897
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: scuba you know, always out doing swimming, you know, getting

898
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: water on his body, like just swimming. There's something about that,

899
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 2: you know, like just being immersed. You have a lake.

900
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: Did you ever just dive in your lake and just

901
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: like sit there and just think, like Lieutenant Dan, like

902
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: take me God.

903
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: But then he lived, Hey, I am God's child. And

904
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: to be perfectly honest with you, I'm doing this because

905
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: to me. I love to say this. In my opinion,

906
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: this is a calling. It's not what I was doing.

907
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: Go back to my conversation with that guy. Raise awareness,

908
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: get people involved in the veterans' lives, and educate, educate

909
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 3: on science and symptoms of suicide. So after I told

910
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: him that, and really I think that this might have

911
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: been God's first whisp in my ear, he grabbed me.

912
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: And he's a big guy. He's not he's probably he

913
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: might be bigger than me. He grabbed me and he

914
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: looked pulled me and he's like, Michael, you have to

915
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: do that. That'll work. So I stood on that for years.

916
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: And then later I was dating this actress and filmmaker

917
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: and she was telling me about all these amazing things

918
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: that she was doing for nonprofits and stuff, and I

919
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: floated the idea to her not to be outdone. But right,

920
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: of course, I was way out done. You know what

921
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: I mean, She's still in all this amazing stuff.

922
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Sure you're like, well, I got I got it, So

923
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm in on this game. Let's go.

924
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: She echoed the exact words, Michael, you have to do that.

925
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: It'll work. And really, that's that's when I started to

926
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: do this. But back to deep dive. So we're trying

927
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: to identify the numbers self inflicted mortality, non natural deaths,

928
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: had problems with social security numbers, and then really the

929
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: worst part about the study was they had to exclude

930
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: veterans who are over than over sixty five. Well, if

931
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: you look at the data, veterans who are over the

932
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: age of sixty five account for between forty and fifty

933
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: percent of veterans suicides. So those two difficulties, aside AWP

934
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: and deep dive came to the conclusion that the VA

935
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: is under reporting the suicide numbers by a factor of

936
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: two point four two point four, So that turns one

937
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: twenty seven five point sixty into over three hundred and

938
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: six thousand. And then you do a little pencil whipping.

939
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: What if we added to sixty five and over just speculate.

940
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: We'll use the VA's you know, stats or whatever. God

941
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: only knows what the problem is. It's terrible. One is

942
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: too many, but let's define the problem. In my opinion,

943
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: it's way more than three hundred and six thousand. That

944
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: equals to about forty four a day, not the seventeen

945
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: a day that the VA says not the twenty two

946
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: a day, which is you know, are the push ups

947
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: are vertacular?

948
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I'm not trying to knock anything. I was

949
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: going to say something like, you know, I don't know.

950
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to stop people from being

951
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: healthy and doing push ups every day in awareness. But

952
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: you know, it takes the VET, the person that we're

953
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: talking about, the person I'm talking to, to step up

954
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: and do the push ups themselves. Okay, Like if you're

955
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: the VET and you're having these issues, you have to say, hey,

956
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: you know what, I do need some help. It's okay

957
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: to say I need some help. But I think a

958
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 2: lot of people are afraid of a mark on their record,

959
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: so they'd rather take themselves out. It's like, no, i'd

960
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: whether you have a mental therapy check in on your

961
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: record than no record anymore. So don't feel embarrassed about

962
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: your record having this. Oh, I went and got talked

963
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 2: to about something that was classified with my therapist because

964
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: typically you know, doctor patient, you know, privileged stuff. You know.

965
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks, the younger veterans, don't

966
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: dare go into the hospital just yet. They're like, I'm fine,

967
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna suck it up. It's the older vets that

968
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: are like, oh, I'm I need the VA today. Oh

969
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: I need to go down that long hallway. Where's my

970
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: wife to push me in the wheelchair because she's my age?

971
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, and I gained fifty five pounds and she's

972
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: got to push that down the hallway. You know, I

973
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: mean those vets. My dad at the sixties, bill almost

974
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: a burden to the mom, my mom who pushed him

975
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: everywhere as his caregiver. Now, when you said, AWP, are

976
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: you talking about American Warrior Partnership, Yeah, bro with Jim Lorraine.

977
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: Jim Lorraine, Yeah, we were both. He was like the

978
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 3: so calm assistant surgeons surgeon. Yeah, so we were there together.

979
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: I've had meetings with him. I love the guy. I

980
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: love the thoughtfulness of his approach. Love it.

981
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: He's got good empathy, straight up like he's just really

982
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: someone that I've had him on the show and so

983
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, he got to say the same. And when

984
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: you said, AWP, real quick did a deep time, I've

985
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: so I'm listening. I'm an active listener. I even wrote

986
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: it down. I was like, okay, so let's give him

987
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: a shout out too, because AWP American Warrior Partnership is

988
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: doing good things as well as you know check of

989
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: that is doing. I'm surprised you guys aren't sharing websites

990
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: on your page. Maybe you are.

991
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: Every time I talk to somebody, I give them a

992
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: shout out.

993
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well here's a shout out. Yeah that's right, that's right.

994
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: So let me give you an idea of what we're

995
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: trying to do. Okay, please nationally through social media, and

996
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: you know I trick billboard companies to donate digital space.

997
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: However I can do it, do it. I'm trying to

998
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 3: raise awareness, get people involved, and educate on the national level.

999
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: It doesn't get any more macro than that. While at

1000
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: the micro level, I thought what in the middle of

1001
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: the night one night, I woke up and I said alcoholics,

1002
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: Anonymous and alan on And then I thought, what, So

1003
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 3: if you think about these models, they've been around since

1004
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: the thirties. People arrange their lives around their meetings for

1005
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: their struggles. So I'm like, why isn't that a thing?

1006
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: We need peer to peer support groups at the community

1007
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: level across America. I don't want it to just be

1008
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: a suicide meeting. Hell, nobody would show up, because you'd

1009
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: create the stigma for the meeting before anybody even came.

1010
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I literally want to be in that. They'd be like, oh,

1011
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to that one, but I'm

1012
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: thinking things. Maybe I'll go to the knitting one.

1013
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

1014
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: So that's right.

1015
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to put it together. You know, with MWR

1016
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: in mind that that morale, welfare and recreation. Anybody in

1017
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: the DoD who went overseas with the DoD knows what

1018
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: that is. And welfare we can slide, we can dovetail

1019
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 3: the suicide prevention stuff right in there. And one like

1020
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 3: the most important part or meeting for me is because

1021
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get Americans involved in veterans' lives, is

1022
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: the Allenn style meeting. Okay, seriously, but then the AA

1023
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: style meeting for veterans. This is gonna work, man, I'm

1024
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: telling you it's gonna work. Common sense dictates. So we

1025
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 3: just did an application for the staff Sergeant Fox grant.

1026
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: We requested six one hundred thousand dollars, put together a plan.

1027
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: I've got PhDs in psychology and mental health from the

1028
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: local college coming out of the woodwork reaching out to

1029
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: me saying, hey, we want to be a part of this.

1030
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: Right now, we have four four bangers. So I'm not

1031
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: a smart guy. Bro, my diploma says Capital High School.

1032
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: Maybe I just have the ability to bring people on

1033
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: board and leave it.

1034
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's what makes a good leader. You know that

1035
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: you have good people around you that can make that.

1036
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat with you. I went to

1037
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 2: Mountain High School. We're going to talkbout high school. There

1038
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, that's.

1039
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: Right, that's right. So now we jammed this together. And

1040
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: then we started looking at letters of support, like who

1041
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: who's going to also think that this is a good idea.

1042
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: And a local judge with amazing contacts. Her name is

1043
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: Judge Gina Winchester. She's like, hey, I got this. Watch this.

1044
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: Within two weeks, I was engaging the governor's office, the

1045
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: state representative from my area, Ran Paul's office, and Bam

1046
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell's office. I got letters of support from comer

1047
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: Ran Paul and Mitch McConnell. And really it was Rand

1048
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: Paul's letter that sparked a huge success in this. And

1049
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 3: he was talking about fiscal responsibility and all the money

1050
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: that we're spending. I don't want to monetize this crap.

1051
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: I want to give it. You know my intent, And

1052
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: I've talked to the people in Kentucky. I said, let

1053
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: me build it, we'll tinker it, We'll give you the model.

1054
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: You take it, you take point for America, you lead

1055
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: the way. You don't have to put check of that

1056
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: on it. I don't care.

1057
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: I just want to say to people, but.

1058
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: Our biggest problem in the approach of going through the

1059
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: VA is they want to know which veterans are going

1060
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: to the meetings. It's the same thing that you were

1061
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: just saying, it's be on a list. So I'm being

1062
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: honest with you. I'm being honest with your listeners. And

1063
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: I've told this to you know, the big, the bad,

1064
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: and I don't even tell you. You're where I want

1065
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: to be in Salt Lake City with Black Rifle Coffee

1066
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: Company and Evin Haffer.

1067
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's my guy right over here. I used to

1068
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: have my podcast in their studios.

1069
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1070
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: Let's but let's keep going. Let's keep going.

1071
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, I want somebody like that to finance this thing. Sure,

1072
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. Rat

1073
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: I don't care who comes to the meetings. Think about

1074
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 3: that high school girl or high school guy we lost

1075
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: to suicide way back then. How amazing would it have

1076
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: been for them to have a resource, you know, a

1077
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: peer to peer support group for suicide for X. The

1078
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: thing's not there, and I don't understand why it's not.

1079
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: It's common sense.

1080
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: So I raised my hand to you out of respect

1081
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: to say, I would love to see quote unquote America's

1082
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: coffee that it says on their building as I drive

1083
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: down fifteen says America's Coffee. I would love to see.

1084
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: And I know Black Rifle has the facility. They could

1085
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: set something up here locally where you come in on

1086
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: a Wednesday, like an AA to their facility, have a

1087
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: cup of coffee. Have those guys who are in that

1088
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: let's just call it a try mentality or that mentality

1089
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: of like I need to be someplace and they want

1090
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: to go there, and somebody could run a class locally

1091
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: here or there or in other states, little pods of

1092
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: these places. I mean, why not Black Rifle is popping

1093
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: up And I'm not putting anything on Evan or Matt

1094
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: Best or all those guys over there, or Kirkham or anybody,

1095
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: But I would say that, you know, it just seems

1096
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 2: if you have a coffee shop and you can open

1097
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: that coffee shop for an hour to this private group

1098
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: to come in and pour some coffee for them to

1099
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: sit there and talk to each other, that might make

1100
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: them something to look forward to each and every month

1101
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: or week that they go to these meetings, because look

1102
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: where they're having it at a place where others might

1103
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: be like them. Right, you go to the VA, and

1104
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: everybody's got a stigma on the VA. And I'm not

1105
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: trying to say it's bad. I've seen him do good

1106
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: things at the via the stints that went in my

1107
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: dad's leg up to his heart. They worked, Okay, I

1108
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: saw it. I know that worked. But there are things

1109
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: that are lacking, and that might be you know, maybe

1110
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: like the doctor that you're talking to is a student

1111
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: from the university and never served right you know, you know,

1112
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 2: but he knows the heart and he can fix your heart.

1113
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: But what you're looking for is you're looking for something

1114
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: up here too, right up, Like, hey, can you click

1115
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: with me? I don't know. I just think that somebody

1116
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: can get a group together of like minded individuals would

1117
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: just give them purpose I run war games, right every

1118
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: other weekend. I get a lot of vets that come out,

1119
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: a lot of young men that could never join because

1120
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: of asthma or premature birth issues, diabetes. But they're Captain Americas.

1121
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Where would they be today if they didn't have this

1122
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: war game that they'd go out every other Saturday to do.

1123
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: They'd be just sitting in their house board in this cave, depressed,

1124
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: not bumping shoulders, not hey wow, I'm wearing my gear again.

1125
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: That's kind of fun. I know, I'm playing Airsoft and

1126
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: that's silly. I never thought I would do it, but

1127
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: it actually makes sense.

1128
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: That's right.

1129
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Rad, You're next to me, and I'm like, yeah, hey,

1130
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: what's up. Bro, you're having a good time. It's just me.

1131
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: It's Rad. Oh and Carmichael. You're playing Airsoft too. Yeah, Bro,

1132
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: we're all playing this. We're just getting it out of

1133
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: our system today. And it's the weekend and you go

1134
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: back to work and you're like, I got war games

1135
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: in a week and a half I got to prepare for.

1136
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: And then you start making your own op orders, and

1137
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: you're making your own warning orders, you're making your own things,

1138
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 2: and a group like that is just so invaluable. And

1139
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, I work with so many different people. I

1140
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: talked to so many cool individuals, you know, and that

1141
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: are trying to do something good for this world. And

1142
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: in the Boy Scout method motto, it's do a good

1143
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: turn daily, and I feel like you kind of are

1144
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: adopting that. Whether you're a Scout or not, you're doing

1145
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: a good turn daily. You're trying to just do something

1146
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: nice to fill service.

1147
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I'm trying. You know, we're going to

1148
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: NASCAR events, We're going to big rodeo, We're going to

1149
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: you know, big regional events. I look around, I'm the

1150
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: only one there and I'm trying. But back to the

1151
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: Black Rifle Coffee Company, they're already having routine, you know, meetings, meetings, coffee. Yeah,

1152
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: and they're more and more. But I would love to

1153
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: collaborate with them. I'm not going to come at them

1154
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 3: and say, hey, how many zeros do you think are

1155
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: going to ask.

1156
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: For spend your money? Let me spend your money.

1157
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: I want to ask them for no money, right, I said.

1158
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: I want to collaborate on two things with you. One,

1159
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: you can save veterans' lives right now by putting messaging

1160
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: on every package of coffee that you sell. Suicide is preventable.

1161
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: Have you checked on your vet today?

1162
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: Right? Wow? Phone number?

1163
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, but you could message your coffee everything that

1164
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: you send out. Oh my god. Think about the impact

1165
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: of that. And then two open these meetings up. I

1166
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: think that currently there's one in Clarksfield, Tennessee, which is

1167
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: the closest location. I mean, I think that they do

1168
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 3: it about once once a month, which is good, you know,

1169
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: but I'd like to see it more frequently, meaningful and routine.

1170
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: So man, that would be the extent of my initial

1171
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: ask for the BRCC. You know, let me prove to

1172
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: you that I'm a good partner like I have with NASCAR,

1173
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 3: like I have with Murray State University, pretty much like

1174
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: I have to whoever you put in front of me,

1175
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 3: because I hope I blow your mind with what I'm

1176
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: going to say right now. I want people to understand

1177
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: this is a great This is a great argument. It

1178
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: starts out as an argument that I have with old psychologists.

1179
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 3: Suicide is not the problem, bro, Suicide is the symptom.

1180
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: You look at President Biden's number one priority to prevent

1181
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: better in suicide, it's lethal mean security. Look stop stop

1182
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: stop stop. Suicide is the symptom of the problem. The

1183
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 3: problem is whatever is stressing that person out. We've talked

1184
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: about bills, we've talked about legal problems, we've talked about health.

1185
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: You need to treat the problem, and then the symptom

1186
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 3: goes away. Right, And that's the hope that I want

1187
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 3: to give people, because up front they think that they're

1188
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: losing a battle that they just can't win. You talked

1189
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: about it in the in the very beginning of the

1190
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: podcast Free Will. What do you do? How do you

1191
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: do it? You go after the problem, man, go after

1192
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: the problem, and then the symptom suicide goes away.

1193
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: Sure, And we just have to, like, you know, have

1194
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: that person thinking about it, thinking about doing it, restop it,

1195
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: like he's got the he or she has to not

1196
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: do it. Like it's so hard because I have these

1197
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: conversations and I want to say, you know, when it

1198
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: does come back to Free Will, I just got a sigh.

1199
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: I just I have lost for words. It's up to

1200
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: you listening right now, to not go through with it.

1201
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: That's right.

1202
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 3: We also need to consider what is a veteran. A

1203
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: veteran was somebody who is in the DD one of

1204
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: the services. Yes, these men and women have spent their

1205
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: careers as members of a team, a cohesive unit. What

1206
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: happens when you step out? You're no longer on a team.

1207
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: What I want is to people for people, friends, family, neighbors,

1208
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: get on your veterans team, do something about it when

1209
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: they're upset, See that they're upset, Identify what the problem is. Hey, man,

1210
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: what is it? Can I help you? Well, maybe I

1211
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: can help you get some financial counseling or whatever.

1212
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: So it takes some cookies to your neighbor, maybe just

1213
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: like some cookies. It's like, hey, here's some cookies. I

1214
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: know we've never talked, but I see you have a

1215
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: Marine Corps flag on the back of your truck. Here's

1216
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: some cookies. Thank you. My kids made them. I hope

1217
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: you enjoy them. You might just change that dude's life.

1218
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: Yes, you're absolutely right. And that's called an engagement strategy

1219
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: or an idea how to get into that person.

1220
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 2: The neighbor. I want the neighbor to meet the neighborly thing.

1221
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: You know, we all have neighbors. We're living somewhere. Even

1222
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: if you're not sheltered, you're living next to someone he

1223
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: might be your neighbor unsheltered with you. You can check

1224
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: on that, dude. You guys are you know? Hey, what's up? Bro?

1225
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: You Okay, we got more to live for. We'll get

1226
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: out of that situation. You know, I have to. It

1227
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: draws you back to my dad. I know we're going

1228
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: longer than usually an hour, but bring when he got

1229
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: a grandma seizure in nineteen ninety ninety one and he

1230
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: was forced out as a Green Beret. You know, he

1231
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: was planning, he was active, he was running marathons. And

1232
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: then to just have that taken out. You know, I

1233
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: watched my dad just pack on some weight, try to

1234
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: stay busy building a fence. Okay, I'm not even nothing around, dude.

1235
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: He went to cinderblock and would go into a river

1236
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: up in the mountains of Leyton and he would just

1237
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: pull rock out hand by hand, four or five at

1238
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: a time, Take him to the van, drive him down home,

1239
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: and he would just start to put them where he

1240
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: wanted them in the masonry of his wall. The wall

1241
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: is still there today. The only way that wall's going

1242
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: down is if somebody decides to mow down that old

1243
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: house of mine, which I don't think they're going to

1244
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: do because that fence, it's pretty nice fence, but he

1245
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: spent a couple of years building it. It probably is

1246
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: what I attribute to taking him down totally because he's

1247
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: lifting block and still working.

1248
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 3: And it's on a good foundation.

1249
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: And otherwise he would have been crazy. You know, he

1250
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: focused on me in a skateboard shop. He focused on

1251
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: baseball with me. He had to find an outlet because

1252
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: he's that type a personality of perfectionist, you know, just

1253
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: like you guys. You know, he's extreme athlete. I just

1254
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 2: grew up with this, so I'm a bit jade to

1255
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: the environment. But I was surrounded by all of you

1256
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: guys right one hundred percent. You know. I like to

1257
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: say the blood of the nineteenth is kind of like

1258
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: you know how it goes. And you know, it was

1259
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: always a little rad throwing the basketball in the gym

1260
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: with dad while he was a drill and that ball

1261
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: was so worn out, man, it looked like it had

1262
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: been beat down. I was like, this is a better

1263
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: ball in here. But you know, I just want to

1264
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: say that if we can have a common conversation like this,

1265
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: meeting each other really for the first time today, as

1266
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: to us individuals, Americans, people of this world. Whether wherever

1267
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: we're from, we can have a conversation, you and I

1268
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: And what I want to show on my show here

1269
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: is that wherever you're from, we can have a civil

1270
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: conversation about what is affecting us and it might relate

1271
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: to you the listener. We're not fighting. We don't care

1272
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: where we come from. At the end of the day,

1273
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: we're all just aliens on this planet with each other.

1274
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 3: That's right. I mean, why can't we all just get along?

1275
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: Why not? You know? And it sounds like a pipe dream,

1276
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Speaker 2: but I think we can do it. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this show for like five years and

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: so obviously somebody keeps it going. So I'm going to

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01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: keep putting out the same love and you know and

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Speaker 2: conversations that I have with guys like you. And I

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: want to thank you for dedicating yourself, right. I know

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01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: you did a job, and I know it's the service

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01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 2: and all that, but I want to thank you for,

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01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, swearing in on some red carpet somewhere if

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: you ever did that, or you know, or in some

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01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: crazy word, where's the craziest place you got re sworn

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Speaker 2: in at.

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01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 3: Well, what do you reenlist? You can pick your choice. Yeah,

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: and so I think my first reenlistment and Special Forces

1290
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: was on the open ramp of C one before we

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 3: jumped out on a Halo mission.

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Speaker 2: So sick, so sick, so sick, serious, sir, jump out.

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: That's so awesome. Look, you've got a lot of stories,

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01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: and I know that we're talking about a really important

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: thing to you, which is the veterans and the awareness

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: of suicide and preventing it in the future. I'd love

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01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 2: to have you on. We could talk about some other

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01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: fun things with Halo or HAHO or you know, talk

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01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: about other guys that I've talked to with you and

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01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: just kind of talk drama and get them to comment

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: down below.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna keep you on my file rolodex.

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: Please my wife board. Yeah. At least that's that flag

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: right there. If you see it over my shoulder, that's

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01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: my dad. He's right there with us. Yeah, so that's

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: his flag. I want to say, check a vet. Go

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: check out the website, check out that platform. See what

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01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: chief warrant for mister Michael R. Carmichael has put his

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: life dedicating right now. I also want you to check

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01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: out check a vet three six five on YouTube. Okay,

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: I want you to go subscribe to that like and

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: follow hit the notifications, because if it wasn't for you,

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: there'd be no us.

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Speaker 3: That's right, That's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, so let me say that.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, if I could just say one thing, please

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01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: please go to check avet dot org. Look at what

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: we're doing and how we're doing it. If you've got

1320
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: a little faith and confidence that this model might work,

1321
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: please make a contribution because I tell people, you know,

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: these stories and this approach all day long, but without resources,

1323
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: you could have the best idea in the world, and

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: it's just gonna sit on a web page on the

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01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: Internet that nobody's looking at. So go look, if it

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01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: makes sense to you, help us, help us to help

1327
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: you and your veterans.

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: Please, that's a great mesa. And we'll have that actually

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01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: written out on the bottom of the web page on

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Speaker 2: softwap dot com. So if any of our listeners are

1331
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: reading as well as our readers, you can just like

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01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: hit the information. My producers are great. They go in

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: and they dictate the show that we just talked about,

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: and they make me look real good like I was like, Wow,

1335
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: that show sounds good and I'm like, did we talk

1336
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 2: about that? Because after the end of the show, Bro,

1337
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 2: it's just a haze. I'm like, what just happened? I know?

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01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: Where am I?

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: Where are we?

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01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: No?

1341
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 3: I know? And Rad, I want to thank your dad

1342
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: for his service and it sounds like he was a

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01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 3: wonderful father first and foremost, what else? What else can

1344
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: you do? You having be a good dad? And thank

1345
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 3: you man, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure, you know, and I'll have you

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: back and welcome to the Soft Rep Mafia family. I

1348
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: really am thrilled. And I got to give a shout

1349
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: out to Brandon Webb. I got to give a shout

1350
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: out to the books that he's got Cold Fear and

1351
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: Blind Fear is coming out and Steal Fear. I'm the

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01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: audio narrator on the two novels. So go check out

1353
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: Audible and if you want to listen to me for

1354
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 2: eight hours read you each book. I will do so.

1355
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: So again, go check out check a vet. If he's

1356
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: got merch, make sure you buy it. Make sure you

1357
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: donate to him as well so you can help him

1358
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 2: move his mission, you know. It together as a village. Together,

1359
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: together a team. An a team. There's two guys on

1360
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: every a team that handles the other guy's job. So

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01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: together he can surround himself with us and we can

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Speaker 2: help him be that leader that he's trying to lead

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01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: the spear into preventing our fellow friends and family members

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Speaker 2: from taking their lives. All right, it's a real serious topic.

1365
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: And again, hit me up on Instagram if you're tripping

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: out in life and on behalf of Michael R. Carmichael

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Speaker 2: Warrant Officer PhDs. This guy, thank you so much. Musician extraordinaire.

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: I bet you. I see it all behind you.

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 3: I have a house full of instruments. I got CC Deville's.

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: Guitar right there, you do from Poison.

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Speaker 3: I can't play any of it. I have people for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh you do.

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: Look at that one of the guitars he played during

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Speaker 3: the Flesh and Blood tour.

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Speaker 2: O MG.

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01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: But I can't play anything. I could do the drums,

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: but so I can't play anything.

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: You're just looking for that family band to happen, just

1379
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: like me. I got a stuffed downstairs bro. Oh you're

1380
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 2: a good dude. I hope you have a great success,

1381
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: I'll bring you back on the show. We'll repitch this

1382
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: metsas again if I have to. And again to my

1383
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 2: listener out there and my viewer, thank you for listening

1384
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: and watching soft Rep. And go check out our merch store,

1385
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: and again check a vet dot org. And my name

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: is rad and that is Michael Carmichael, and I'm saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to serf rep Radia