1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glazer. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: podcast with Jay Glazer. And you know, I've been trying 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: to figure out how do I possibly introduced this chat 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: in the right way. You know what. It's Holiday week, family, 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: and this dude has been part of your family for 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: probably decades and decades. He's been part of my family 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: for the last twenty years. A fox in a well 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Sunday and uh, probably most famous for coming out with 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the Christmas album. I was saying, Uh, he's done a 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: couple other things. It's one and only Terry Brownshew. Everybody, 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: thanks Jaz, Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album. 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: That's the only reason I wanted you want it. It's 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: holiday with you, I hear you. Hey, you know I 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: am going to do a Christmas album though. Hey, so 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: you can't hold this talent back, man, you know that, 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: So listen listen. I I really it's amazing because we 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: have been together for twenty years. I spent more holidays 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: with you than I have my own family. That's where 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: we are. We're different people. Always look at us and 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: but but the thing that makes Terry different for me, 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: this is a mental health podcast, and I've opened up 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: about my my struggles, obviously writing a book this year 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: and I'm Breakable, how I turned my depression anxiety and 26 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: a motivation and you can't do and now doing a 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: podcast on it. But Terry was way ahead of all 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: of us, ahead of his time. I had of every 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: dude out there in talking about mental health for men 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: and what it did for me since two thousand and five, 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: on I I every time I've been on our show 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: Fox and El Sunday, I've had a panic attack. I've 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: suffered a massive panic attack every single show and I 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: didn't know what it was until one day I heard 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: you talking about it about seven years later. So you 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: kind of lead the path for a lot of us. 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: So it's definitely for me and I don't know if 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: I've ever a job grateful I am for you for that. 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about it, man, it's has really 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: made a difference in my life. I believe the major 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: reason why men do not talk about it is because 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: they feel as though it's a sign of weakness, and 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: it isn't a sign of weakness, a sign of weakness 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: if you don't do something about it. And once you 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: have experienced depression, panic attacks and you seek help and 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: you get help, you were so overjoyed with the fact 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: that now there's something that can help you be normal 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: and feel good. You asked yourself, why did I go 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: to a doctor center? And the main thing Jay have 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: always said to men, look, don't be ashamed of this. 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Go to the doctor, to see your doctor and seek help, 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: especially if you want to, if you want to be 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: able to in some cases control it in other cases, 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: maybe even prevent it in other cases. Is a solution 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: for handling the moment. So I had an opportunity to 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: do that, same as you. You didn't know what you 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: were dealing with, and I didn't either until I finally 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: had such a massive breakdown. I saw I saught help. 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: And when I did that and they diagnose me, and 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: I went, wow, this is the greatest moment of my life. 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing to feel bad, it's another thing 62 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: not to know why you feel bad. And we don't 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: want to know why. You know, we don't know why, 64 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: And so that was a great moment for me. But 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: it's a primarily man just don't want to. You know, 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: we're just mach Jay. You've heard me say this. I've 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: had men in a grocery store slide up to me 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: while I'm pulling a can of beans or soup off 69 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: a shell and pretend as though they're looking through the 70 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: ship and say, hey, hey, man, I appreciate what you 71 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: said about depression, and you know I suffered from that too, 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: and I've gotten help. And then they slide up. Still great. 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: What I mean is, yeah, but it's men just yet 74 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: for some reason won't go seek help. But TV so listen, 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: I had you, okay, so you've made me more comfortable. 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: So you know, people always say, oh, you're brave for 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: coming out and talking about your depression anxiety. I'm like, 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, I had somebody before me. I 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: had one of my coworkers talk about it. You didn't 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: like what gave you the courage to finally to be 81 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: able to come out and speak about it openly? Well, 82 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: first of all, I got tired of the sickness. I 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: was so miserable, Jay, that I had to I didn't 84 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: know what was wrong with me, Hey, what do I have? 85 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: What disease? Would I had? Cancer. What and if you've 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: ever had a panic attack, a massive penicy as you 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: well know, he was like a heart attack. Yeah. And 88 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: so finally I went and talked to my preacher quietly 89 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: and told him. He sent me. He sent me to 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: a psychologist, and I spent three years with the psychologists 91 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: in getting treatment, psychological treatment. And what what yours? What? 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: What period of your life after? No? No? No, no? 93 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: What I well, when you go what happens is when 94 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: you go back in your life and you go, oh 95 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, that was there was one, there's one, there's 96 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: what you start identifying them. They primarily when I played 97 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: in all the stress and I wouldn't say anything to anybody, 98 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: and I'd go back to the house and be just 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: sick of the dog and scared. And that was while 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: I was playing. And so we were able to just 101 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: based on my recollection of events in my life, I 102 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: was able to find that after a great uh like 103 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: a super Bowl victory, I was always I'd go into 104 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: a deep depression. After a great high of anything, I'd 105 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: go into great depression. And then when I'd go into 106 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: the this depression, I ended up making horrible decisions, horrible 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: decisions I got married coming out of two of those 108 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: when I had no right in that. I mean, it 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: was such a sickness with me. And when I finally 110 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: sought help and started to see in the light of day, 111 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: I was so proud of myself. There's a little sayings 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: psychiatrists say, don't tell your children you're happy, you're proud 113 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: of them. Tell them, aren't you proud of yourself? And 114 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I was proud of myself for seeking help and getting 115 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: the answers that I needed. And that's easily j one 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: of the greatest moments of my life because those as 117 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: you well know, and you're still having them. I told 118 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: you Sunday I had a bad day. Remember, yes, that's right. 119 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: We can out talk about things like this. And I 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: know when I'm in a bad day. Here's another thing. 121 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: I know I'm skipping around here. My wife knows what 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm having a bad day. There's too many signs that 123 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: give it away. And she comes out and and put 124 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: her arm around me, and she says, what can I do? 125 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: And she knows I just need to sit and I 126 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: need to just take some deep breaths. I need to relax, 127 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: and I don't need to be bothered and I don't 128 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: and I don't want to talk. Already been through all 129 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: of that. I just sit back, sit down, go back 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: through it, and then work myself out of it. I 131 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: was when you said it to me the other day. 132 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: It's so cool for me because I've said it to you. 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: That's really the first time you've leaned in to me 134 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, I had a bad day. So 135 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: I be your teammate that day and I knew it, 136 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: and you were there and you were you were Jay Glazer. 137 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: I said, I get you. I get it. Three years 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: of sessions so I know and that and that that 139 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: was another thing, Jay. One of the real keys for me, 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: I was lucky I stumbled into this was to go 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: to therapy sessions because I had to identify what was 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: wrong with me, and I had to identify what triggers it. 143 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: And that's a long time because even as today I 144 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: don't take medicines, but I took medicine for a long time. 145 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: Then as I got more educated on depression and understood 146 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: the triggers of it, I basically tried to avoid them. 147 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: But sometimes you know, you can't you count of one 148 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: them day. But the other day it was just a 149 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: classic example, I'll tell everybody out there right now. I 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: flew to l A. I've been gone all week. I 151 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: talked my wife into staying home because I was coming 152 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: out and coming right back. I moved into a new 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: hotel where you are. So I traveled all week. I 154 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: was tired. I flew to l A. People were, you know, 155 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: jumping all of me for pictures and autographs. And I 156 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: got to the hotel and then I saw you that 157 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: night at the hotel and UH with Howie, and my 158 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: mind was, my mind was just like this. And when 159 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: I got back, you know, it was you know, it 160 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: was a bad day and I didn't sleep good. It's 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: just a bad day. Times like that, you're just completely 162 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: out of your When we get out of our rhythm, 163 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: right we had, we get out of what makes us 164 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: comfortable all. When we get out of those rocks, right that, 165 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the things that we know are our pillars to help 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: us through it. When they're not there, we spiral. Right. 167 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: But now, like I said, now you got a teammate 168 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: you can turn to and be like, hey, man, I 169 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: had a bad day where neither one of us had 170 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: that years ago. Dude didn't have that. You and I 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: aren't looking at each other going, oh, just sucking up. 172 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: We're like, hey, we got your back. I got your back. 173 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: That the dude's got to realize that's the reaction. I 174 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: got your back. And listen, I don't tell you something. 175 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: I was having a moment on during an interview with 176 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: Bryant Gumble, and uh, it was a real downer interview. 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: It was an appropriate interview. It was a good interview, 178 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: but it was a really low interview for me. And 179 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: as the interview went on, I got deeper and deeper 180 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: and deeper to a point where I broke down on 181 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: the air and I went embarrassed at all. You know, 182 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: I knew where I was going, and I was fighting 183 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: it off. Okay, Now I didn't have. My only support 184 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: group is my doctor, and uh I passed him off 185 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: to my wife, and uh, my wife, now is I 186 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: picked the phone up and go hey, and she's Tammy. 187 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, Tammy man, She's awesome. And I had this 188 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: breakdown from the HBO thing with Brian Gumble, and one 189 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: of our good friends made fun of me when he 190 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: saw it, anyway, and I told him years later, I said, uh, 191 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: that hurt. That hurt because I was hurting and that hurt, 192 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: and he deeply apologized for that. But see, there's why 193 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: men don't talk about it because mother men who don't 194 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: deal with this don't understand. It's like they don't understand. 195 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: But now, if you picked the phone up and say TV, 196 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm having a rough go man, Okay, let's talk about it. 197 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, let's get off this cliff together, you know, 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: or the vice verst one. I told you. All I 199 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: wanted from you was I just wanted to tell you 200 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: I had a rough day, and I knew you would understand. 201 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: It meant the world to me. There's a lot of 202 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: teammates out there for us that we don't realize our teammates. 203 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: You find your teammate and you tell them, and a 204 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: lot of times exactly the same thing. I don't need 205 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: anything back to be said to me. I just want 206 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: to get it out. So I'll tell you. I'll tell 207 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: how He'll tell Kurt whatever it is when I'm having 208 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: a panic attack now, because I hit it, I hit 209 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: the panic attacks from everybody but you for all these years, right, 210 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: I just hit it from everybody because also I didn't 211 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: want to funk up your show. It's your Show's your day. 212 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: That day, I've got to handle it. But now that 213 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: you all know, it's easier for me to just walk 214 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: over to any one of you and go, oh, I'm 215 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: having one. Yeah, and you know who you can walk 216 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: over and say that too, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 217 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: There's certain people who love you, but they won't handle 218 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: that very well, so we don't involve them, right and 219 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: and that's fine. And that's fine because everybody, every friend 220 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: has certain certain things they do for us to to 221 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: lift us up a lot. Everybody's for this, right There's 222 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: some people are great training partners, some people just great teammate. 223 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: It's another whiz million percent. Now. One of the things 224 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: I do too, when I'm having a panic attack on 225 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: the air, that's when I'll push out a joke to 226 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: get myself through because laughter. I always said, the Gray 227 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: hates laughter. Right right, You're the funniest motherfucker I ever 228 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: met my entire life. Are you using on this podcast? Yes? 229 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Of course? Are you gonna get on me now for that? 230 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Terry gets Terry of all things, he gets to me 231 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: when I curse. I curse because I'm in Jersey of 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: New York, flat curse, and I use it appropriately, so 233 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: he caught on me the other night. But you are 234 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: the funniest SLP I've ever met in my life. Is 235 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: it all natural for you? Or is half of it 236 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: so you could overcome your right? Do you use the 237 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: same way I do it? No, it's it's natural. I've 238 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: always you know, I'm no Rodney changer Field, but I 239 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: I see I searched for him. I searched for humor. 240 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: I find that humor is U is a great hugger. 241 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: Humors brings a lot of love and smile at people 242 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: faces and breaks a lot of barriers. And I've always 243 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: been funny. I've been funny since I can remember, since 244 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: it's a little kid. So I searched for that, you know, 245 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: even on on our pregame show, I'm always searching for 246 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: something that's a little bit on the happy side, you know, 247 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: because people have had a rough week and they don't 248 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: want to hear xs and ohs, and they want to 249 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: tell them a little bit about their team and whether 250 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna win and make them feel good about it. 251 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the approach I take. But humors always, 252 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: and listen, have I used humor to protect myself? Absolutely? 253 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: When I played in Pittsburgh. Absolutely, that was my my shield. 254 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: And the problem with that, though, is that after a 255 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: while people begin to think of you only as a 256 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: funny guy and they don't realize that there is also 257 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: the other side of humor. And I like to coin 258 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: coin Robin Williams, who says people that are really funnier 259 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: geniuses so like that, think that that's the only time 260 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: I member a genius. But humor. I love humor. It's 261 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: soothing to the soul and it breaks barriers. As you said, Jay, 262 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: you can use it to deflect hate and anger and 263 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: negative Always ask me, it's one of the questions you 264 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: get all time. Is he really like that in real life? 265 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, that's him like that? Who is he is? 266 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: Where you get? But we're on the field for and 267 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: just the way you delivered it, dude. We're on the 268 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: field for the tickoff of the Super Bowl. And I 269 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: wrote this in my book TV and it's the hundredth 270 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: anniversary right of the Super Bowl to send Teddy all 271 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl And I'm standing there with me, 272 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: how Terry, Jimmy Stray, Kurt Raw standing there and Terry 273 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: turns to us all it says, you know, there's all 274 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: hundredth anniversary of the NFL. This went off great, they 275 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: should do this again next year. But here's the thing, Jake, 276 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: here's the here's the thing. I got a little bit 277 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: yogi berra in me. I don't for some reason. Like 278 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: the other day, we're in New York with Tammy nine, 279 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: the kids, and I come up on East Street and 280 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: we're all in this big sedan and we're going to 281 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: this function and I said, hey, man, is this where 282 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: they filmed um Miracle on thirty fourth Street? And I 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: got halfway through it and I stopped and just started laughing. 284 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: Just it's just what happens. I don't understand. I don't 285 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: understand it. You know, do you have a favorite moment 286 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: that made you that you still laugh at that you 287 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: said something on the show or in your own show 288 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: they just cracked you up. That's hard. It's like asking 289 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: a comedian, Hey, tell me a joke, and it's listen. 290 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: The other night, this banquet at this function that kept 291 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: saying the MC kept saying, Hey, Terry, your last buddy. 292 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: We can't wait to get to you. Twenty minutes later, 293 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Hey Terry, just sit there and enjoy the evening. Your 294 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: last man, we we and it's all these executives and 295 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: all these heads of these comp and he's in all 296 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of people in our industry. And I'm like, 297 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: I turned to Tammy and said, am I being paid 298 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: for this? Because am I keeping a motivational speech? And 299 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: that's the way it was. And this went on for 300 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: two hours. Hey dude, it made me nervous. So I 301 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: had to get up and perform. I had to do it. Yeah, 302 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: and I did twenty five minutes of comedy. So you're 303 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: in a game recently, Yeah, you're there. And the Rock 304 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: he's the biggest star in the world. He wrote the 305 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: forward to my book. He's one of my teammates that 306 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: I reached out to when i'm he is the best, 307 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: but he leaves me basically a seven minute voicemail. I 308 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: just met Terry Bradshaw. Man, I just met my He's 309 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: my hero, he's my oh my, and he is going 310 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: I've never heard him like this, just going nuts about 311 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: you and how much he looks up to you. Who 312 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: for Terry Bradshaw, who would you go, oh my god, Well, 313 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be an athlete, no disrespect. It would be 314 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi. I think that that would have been I've 315 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: often said I would have to have played for Tom Landry. 316 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: I would have loved to play for Bill Walsh and 317 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: Don Coryell, three of the great minds of football. And 318 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: I would like to take what I thought what I 319 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: could apply to life or play. I would like to 320 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: take all that I could get from them and put 321 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: it in one peel and have all that knowledge to swallow, 322 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: you know. But those are some of the it's really 323 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: not I met Tom Cruise and I didn't have time 324 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: to get you know. My daughter was with me, and 325 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: she's going, Oh my god, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, there's 326 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. We're doing the tenure anniversary of the tonight show. Dad, 327 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: Dad's Rachel, Dad, there's Tom Cruise. I said, I know, 328 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: just you know Tom Cruise. So we're standing up there 329 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: because it's share and all these people and just a 330 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: little little old football player and Jay Leno asked me 331 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: to be a part of his tenure anniversary, which I 332 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: was flattered, but I don't know these people. That's not 333 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: my circle. And Tom Cruise came in with an entourage, 334 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: five or six people, and they came in. Of course, 335 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I bought it on the tonight show, you know, as 336 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: they should. They made a fuss over and everything. We're 337 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: just standing there. We were off maybe thirty feet up 338 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: against the wall, and then he saw me and he 339 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: just he just parted ways and came over and gave 340 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: me a hug. And I said, this is Rachel and 341 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: he says, hey, sweetie, you're so beautiful. Gave her hug. 342 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: When you can meet someone that's famous, we all are 343 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: impressed and they're super nice. Man. That goes a long 344 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: way with me, and right, he didn't have that's cool, 345 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: that's very cool. And that's like I met the rock 346 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: at the stadium, Like you said, biggest star in the 347 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: world right now. And he couldn't have been nicer. Man, 348 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: I never met him. What a sweetheart, dude. He's he's 349 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: the most genuine friend now he's that. He's most authentically 350 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: like genuine friend of Right. Yeah, it was. I liked 351 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: meeting him. I'm like beating those guys. I think it's 352 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: cool to meet him. So you talked about these these 353 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: offensive coaches, and you called your own place and people 354 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: don't realize you called your own place, right. I mean, 355 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: it's stressful enough just to perform much less I'm gonna 356 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: call your own place, basically being your own office coordinator. 357 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: Would you have preferred that's how, that's how your career run, 358 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: that you called your own place, or would you have 359 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: preferred that you would have had like a like you said, 360 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: Sean mcveigor, Don Querril or somebody else do it if 361 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: I had those guys as my coach. First of all, 362 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: you learned the offense. Then you studied the offense and 363 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: the application. The key is not knowing what trips right floody? Okay, 364 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: there it is. Why am I going trips right floody? 365 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: Here's what it does to the defense. See that's that's 366 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: what you want to know. Okay, When I get this 367 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: defense words of weakness? Where do I go? What if 368 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: they blitz? So I gather as much knowledge as I 369 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: can about one formation? All right? And if I could 370 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: do that with kore On knew the two I told 371 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: to you about and learn all of that stuff, I 372 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: would prefer to call my own plays. I don't want 373 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: to lose a game. And as a competitor and quarterback 374 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: walk off the field and go back into the locker 375 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: room going what a dumb game plan? We didn't attack? 376 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: We didn't this, we didn't that, and you have no 377 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: control of it. And then here comes the press and 378 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: they're jumping all over you because you didn't have a 379 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: good game. And now you've heard me say this. Offensive 380 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: coordinators don't always have good games, and the quarterbacks pay 381 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: for it. So I would if I'm gonna sink or swim, 382 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: I want to sink or swim making my own choices, 383 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: but I would be educated. Okay, I want to make 384 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: sure that that I apply all of this with the 385 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: proper understanding of what it dictates to a defense and 386 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: where I can go with it. And that's that takes 387 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of work and a lot of time. I'd 388 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: rather call my own plays. I started calling my own 389 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: plays in college, and I've set up all the fronts 390 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: and I'd set up you know, uh nine seventy nine three, 391 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'd set up all the and I love it. 392 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: It's it's just so much fun to do that, and 393 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: or to get in a huddle. And when I'm in 394 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: a huddle with the lineman and everyone, I can say, Okay, 395 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: we ran this, we ran that. I thought this was 396 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: gonna work. Hey John, what's going on? What do you 397 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: think we And then they'll say, Hey, this guy's jumping inside. 398 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: Let's try the special. Okay, let's give that a shot. 399 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: When you're when you are the commander in chief, I 400 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: can do what I want to do. They're gonna listen. 401 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: And also I'm smart enough to know they're out there 402 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: with boots on the ground. Okay to use that frase, 403 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting back here. I'm the four star general 404 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: looking through binoculars. They know what's going on, and I 405 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: I lean on them for knowledge, and that's what run. 406 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: That's how I ran the offense. And we would change. 407 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: If we were in sixty two dig stalwarts. I may say, hey, look, 408 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: don't clear to the post this time. Run an option 409 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: on him, and if the digs are covered, I'll know 410 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: what they're doing. And because instead of going to the post, 411 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: you may and and being covered, go to the corner 412 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: or the queue or whatever and be uncovered. And so 413 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: we did that all the time, change routes up on 414 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: plays that we called because it made no sense to 415 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: run to be covered. This week's the fiftieth anniversary or 416 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: the Immaculate Reception. Yeah, give me, give me something about 417 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: the reception that you know, and the rest of the 418 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: world doesn't know something we just don't know about. Well, 419 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: here's something full right split sixty six circle option. That's 420 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: the play. Circle is with the half back Frenchie Fuqua 421 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: bending around and going to the middle of the football 422 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: field to attract the safety. The option is with the 423 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: split in take off post corner. Whatever sixty six says, 424 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: fullback staying in block, tied in, staying in block, come on, 425 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: come up and lay it on the outside with the 426 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: flanker as an option. Franco had to block. He didn't 427 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: block soul. When I dropped back and got flushed out. 428 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: He literally was standing there watching me because he and 429 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: I watched this together three weeks ago. Said yeah, I said, look, 430 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: you don't block a soul. You didn't block a soul. Hey, 431 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: the guy went inside the stutters a little bit. Guy 432 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: went inside and he just standing there, itevable. I'm bailing out, 433 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: trying to avoid being sacked. It was fourth down, twenty 434 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: two seconds left, and that was the play. And I swung. 435 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: I raised my arm like this to avoid being tackled, 436 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: and the guy missed my arm. And when I brought 437 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the arm, when I went like this, and when the 438 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: arm came down, I fired it because I saw black 439 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: jersey and I got hit and I went down. I 440 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: didn't know what happened. Heard the roar of the crowd, 441 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: knew it was a touchdown. Knew it was a touchdown. Okay, 442 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: the roar told me it's a touchdown. We're trying to 443 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: get first down, not a touchdown. But I knew it 444 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: was a touchdown and got up, and you know, I 445 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't see it. So I'm asking what happened, and I'm 446 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: getting mobbed. What happened? What? What? What? What? What happened? 447 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: And it took a long time. I didn't really understand 448 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: what happened, ja until I got in the locker room 449 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: and they were able to tell me what happened. And 450 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: I went from being this giant hero who stood in 451 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: the pocket aboard being sacked, gunned that bad boy down there, 452 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: hit whoever it was that caught it, and they went 453 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: down the sideline, and man, I'm gonna be doing endorsements commercials. 454 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he wrote a million, but when you when 455 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: they described Jack Hatum comes up, he blasts Frenchie, followed 456 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: those flying back. Franco catch is it off the ground 457 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: or whatever? He runs down the sideline and you go, 458 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: really really got the air out of it. Really something 459 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: you may not know. As Mr Rooney had left his 460 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: owner's box and went to the locker room to congratulate 461 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: us on a good year, he didn't know we won. Wow. 462 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: Really yeah, he heard the roar, but he didn't know 463 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: what it was. Wow, that's incredible. And the other thing, 464 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: the other thing that your folks might be interested in. 465 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: Back then, there was what a twenty four hour or 466 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: hour sellout rule, and if you didn't sell all the tickets, 467 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: the game was blocked in. This game was blocked out 468 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: black black on TV. Yes, I didn't know that half 469 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: of the city of Pittsburgh was empty because everybody drove 470 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: out of town to watch it somewhere else. But the 471 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: city did not get the game because the game was 472 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: not a sellout. Know what. Oh, that's incredible. No, that's 473 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: that's I just found Hey, I just found that out. 474 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: I didn't. That's unbelievable. And I asked Franco. He's done 475 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: some research, man, he's got this thing down. And I 476 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: asked him, I said, you didn't you never do answer 477 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 1: the question? Did you trap it on the ground? And 478 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: I said, I've always told everybody you trapped it because 479 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: you get the worst hands on the team. But I 480 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: saw an end zone and he caught it about a 481 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: foot off the ground. And I said, what made you 482 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: go down? Because he took off running down the field 483 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: towards Frenchie and he said, Joe Paterno taught us that 484 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: when the ball is released, run to the ball, and 485 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: that's what I was doing, and that's why he was 486 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: in to make the catch. Yeah, all right, Before I 487 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: let you go, I got two more questions for You's okay, 488 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: because one of them is the other most incredible thing 489 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: that you would you never told us. We had to 490 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: read it in the Athletic a year ago when you 491 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: had surgery on your elbow and you went in and 492 00:26:53,280 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: you went under somebody else's name, whose name is Tom Brady. Folks, 493 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: this is a true story, and this is what yours. 494 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: This This would have been eighty one nine one. Yeah, right, 495 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know how old Tom Brady wasn't in anyone, 496 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: but this is obviously before Tom Brady, right, folks. The 497 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: coincidence of coincidences. Temp Roger goes in to get a 498 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: surgery under the you know, the alias of Tom Brady, right, 499 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: that's prophetic in it. That's like, Wow, the original TV 500 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: twelve going to t V twelve and you never thought 501 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: to tell us. Yeah, I never thought about it. It 502 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: had it had to be brought to my attention. It's 503 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: been too many years ago. Hey, it's been Um, I've 504 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: been a TV forty three years. That's a long time. 505 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: T I hear you that. But there's only one Tom Brady, 506 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: and that we you know what we know of at 507 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: Tom Rocher, Like you would think that it would have jock. 508 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: You remember you called your own place. You would think 509 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: this would a jock, Marie. I didn't think about it. 510 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: I Hey, j never crossed my mind. It is kind 511 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: of It's kind of funny. You know what I thought. 512 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: I told it to Brady this year. Brady didn't know. 513 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: I told him training campus year. He's like, what am I? 514 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: You would have thought he goes. You thought he would 515 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: have told you? Yeah, you thought he would. Yeah. I 516 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: got a nice I'm with a nice agency, a really 517 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: nice agency. And why Tom and I have not done 518 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: a commercial gather is we should do one, don't you think? 519 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Just because I'm always calling myself the original TV and 520 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: I love him to respects. Yeah, I did a deal 521 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: with Dick, Butker's it was visa commercial. I took the ball, 522 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: I broke your back, I ran so far and it 523 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: was oh yes, I remember it well, and we did 524 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: that take. It was hilarious, Oh hilarious. And I can 525 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: only imagine the fun that we can have with Tom 526 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: and I doing it. You know, well, I think that'll 527 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: come up when he works with us. I hope. So 528 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm hearing now and you know more than I do. 529 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm here and he's even talking about coming back next year. God. 530 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: So my last question I asked, yes, this, you know, 531 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: you could take it whatever you want. I always ask people, 532 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: what's your unbreakable moment? Like, what's that moment in your life? 533 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: It's called unbreakable that something should have broke you but didn't, 534 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: and you came through the other side of that tunnel 535 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: and you're strong. There's a phrase I heard on television 536 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: and a guy by the name of Quickly Phips used 537 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: it before he sang this song. And being a guy 538 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: that speaks to a lot of corporations, I used to 539 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't as much anymore, but I almost always used 540 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: this because it sets up a good ending and it 541 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: goes It's in the quiet crucible of your personal pride. 542 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: It's suffering that your noblest dreams are born and God's 543 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: greatest gifts are given to you for what you've been through. 544 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: And that says it all right there. I am most proud, 545 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh 546 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: when they called me dumb and stupid and basically had 547 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: nobody defending me as kind of like a man on 548 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: an island. And I was sitting in my room, Jake, 549 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: all by myself, not married, and I had emotional breakdown 550 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: and I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never 551 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: said this where I said, I am not gonna let 552 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: them take this from me. I am not going to 553 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: be destroyed by these negative people. You know, nobody is 554 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: going to steal my dream. I own it. It's mine. 555 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: And I had this incredible self motivating talk to myself 556 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: and it was from that moment on that I developed 557 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: I did, and how he loves it. When I say 558 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: mirror economics or mirror self evaluation, what does that mean me? 559 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: Stand in front of the mirror and have a talk 560 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: with yourself, and you'll tell yourself, you low life, you 561 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: non working dog, you better do this. You know, it's 562 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: called I call it mirror economics, but it's basically it's 563 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: a self evaluation. And when you do that and you're 564 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: all alone by yourself, you're gonna be brutally honest. You're 565 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: not gonna try to pull something over someone's eyes or 566 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: pretend to be something you're not. You're gonna be brutally 567 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: honest with yourself and you're gonna take that and you're 568 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: gonna apply it to your life. And it was that 569 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: time where I decided I'm weak emotionally. Everything bothers me. 570 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: I need a pat on the back, I need love, 571 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: I need this, I need that. But I'm not and 572 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm not and I'm not. And from this day forward, 573 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, as you said, the shield is up, and 574 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: my shield of armor is up, and nobody's gonna break in, 575 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna turn the surround. It may not have 576 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: been in Pittsburgh, may have been somewhere else, but thank 577 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: god it was in Pittsburgh. That is my Unbreakable moment. 578 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Heb I love your brother. That is the way to 579 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: finish off the Unbreakable podcast. Oh my god, And what 580 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: a what a message to give to people from the 581 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: holidays to holidays could be hard for a lot of people. 582 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: I love you, my brother. I love you brother. Thanks 583 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: for having me on. Happy Hanukkah, Happy Merry Christmas. You 584 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: know and enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, and be 585 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: nice to people. Folks. Let's keep walking and squak together.