1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy Wilson and 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frying. This week on the show, we talked 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: about Esperanto. And one of the things that I mentioned 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: in the episode that I didn't go into great detail 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: on is that over and over while I was working 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: on this episode, I kept finding people being like, yeah, 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Esperanto is really neat, but English has really become the 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: shared second language of and I was like, it's not 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: really though. A whole lot of people don't speak English. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: And part of the reason that Zamon Hoff wanted to 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: create a language from scratch was he didn't he didn't 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: want this international language to be like associated with a 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: major colonial power. That kind of went against the whole 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: thing he was trying to accomplish. I mean, I recognize that, 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, thankfully when you travel to other places, and 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: I say this thankfully for my own lazy self, Like 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: often in foreign countries they are fluent in English, but 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: really that's not because English is necessarily universal. They're trying 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to accommodate things like tourist trade, um, and again it's 21 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: associated with you know, a whole lot of problems. It's 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: it made me laugh as it did in the episode 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: that you know, this is the same thing France was 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: doing years and years and years ago, going no French 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: the language of course again like, well, is that because 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: you have a bunch of colonies or because you honestly 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: think everybody could just pick up French, right, which is 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: sort of I mean, you know, I love French. I 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: don't think that's any secret. Um. But like I was 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: reading a funny thread on Twitter. I don't even remember 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: who posted it where they were like, I've studied French, 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: and I still when I meet a French speaker, I 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: don't know what the heck you're saying, um, which is 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: one of the tricks with any language. French can be 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: a tricky that way. But it just made me laugh, 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: especially hard having just come off of reading that over 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: the weekend within the last couple of days. To everyone 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: speaks French, I can just use that, yeah, I UM. 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I kept thinking about how being the son of a 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: language teacher and being immersed in the society where the 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: people around him were speaking so many different languages really 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: set Samon Hoff up to become really multi lingual and 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: how uh how different that is from my own upbringing, 44 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: because I grew up speaking English and all my neighbors 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: spoke English, and my school system did not teach any 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: other language until middle school. I think middle school. I 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: got a tiny bit in third and fourth grade because 48 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: I was in the gifted program, and I got a 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: teeny teeny bit of Spanish, which was only for gifted students. 50 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: This makes no sense. It's not a great way, uh 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: to to raise people with any kind of familiarity with languages. 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: And then when I did switched to taking French, I 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: went through a series. Every year I had a different 54 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: French teacher, and only one of those French teachers would 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I say was actually good at teaching French. And so 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: after having I think three years of high school French, 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: six hours of college French, like my French is still terrible. 58 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: It was terrible. When I finished that um, I took 59 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: a break from studying French because I had I had 60 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: taken the six hours that I needed to take to graduate. 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: And then I had this idea that I was going 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: to go to graduate school, and I learned that I 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: was going to need to take more French for graduate school, 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: and I attempted to take six more hours of French 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: in a semester that I also really overloaded myself with 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: courses and immediately was absolutely in over my head and 67 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: was like, I can't, I can't do all this. Um. 68 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's why, like the one other language 69 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: I've really tried to study, I am still very bad 70 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: at um. I had a marginal level of fluency in 71 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: French when I was little, but it ran away, it 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: went other places. I don't know where that lives now, 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: hopefully someone inherited it. Um. Did you also tell me 74 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: that since you had learned you had learned from your grandmother, right, 75 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: that you had learned kind of like a country French. Yeah, yeah, uh. 76 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: And I didn't now until I had like a really 77 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: good French teacher who was like, your vocab is pretty 78 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: good and your pronunciation is not bad, but the things 79 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: you say sound really like you are a hic. And 80 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: I was like, what this surminds me of how my 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: my spouse has studied a lot of Japanese. He he'd 82 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: lived in Japan for a while when he was in 83 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was college or graduate school. 84 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: I think graduate school. Um. And so he has been 85 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: a person that I have gotten help with on Japanese 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: pronunciation sometimes, and I remember getting a note from somebody 87 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: that said we had pronounced something that sounded like we 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: were from the country, and then he was like, oh, yeah, 89 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: actually where I was we had to take trains to 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: get into the like a major city, and I was like, okay, sure, 91 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean I I do think there is 92 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. I hope it's changing, but certainly when 93 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: we were in school, I feel like in most schools 94 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: in the US there was a bit of failing in 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: terms of really trying to give kids the opportunity to 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: learn a lot of languages when they're young. And I 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: know from friends now that have elementary age children there 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: is a lot more language learning than I certainly ever 99 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: had at that age. So I'm hopeful. Um, but yeah, 100 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: I feel like every time I learned a new language, 101 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: there's or any like tiny bit of a new language. 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: I don't really learn any new languages. Um, there's like 103 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: this huge initial hurdle to get over of just like okay, 104 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: what my mouth doesn't do those? Um right, I gotta 105 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: wait what uh? And it's tricky. And the funny thing 106 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: is I'm suddenly remembering a discussion that I had with 107 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: a friend of mine whose parents were German and we're 108 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: learning English for the first time, and he was like, 109 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: you have no idea how hard English is compared to 110 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: other languages, like train wreck complete He's and it was 111 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: stuff that I mean, this was years and years ago, 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: like years ago that we had this conversation. But he 113 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: was like, you know, think about like even something as 114 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: simple as what is the plural for mouse? It's mice? Okay, well, 115 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: what is the plural for house? People learning for the 116 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: first time might very well guess heis, because none of 117 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: these rules are consistent or makes sense. And I was like, oh, 118 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: that is true, Like when you grow up speaking at 119 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: you don't think about it well. And a lot of 120 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: the things that little kids say when they're learning English 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: that sound hilarious to people is like because they've intuited 122 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: that hattern and applied it to other words that they 123 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: haven't learned the irregularity for yet, which I think is 124 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: pretty cool and fascinating. Yeah, you don't know, maybe we 125 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: should start doing the show in esperanto um. I have 126 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: been trying to keep up with with a couple of 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: duo lingo courses, and I did have a good time 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: blinking away at a little bit of esperanto um, but 129 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's feasible for me to keep 130 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: up with it. My brain feels full, Yeah, we know that, 131 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: feeling full brains. Yeah. So this week we talked about 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: Bodium Castle. Huh uh. This is the castle I have 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: not been to, but it's on my list when is 134 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: getting very big. My list is so big, and I'm 135 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: so ready to start traveling again, So look out, Bodium Castle. 136 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to do this one in part because it 137 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: is kind of a fun, little bit more lighthearted thing, 138 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: but also because it contextualizes a lot of things. Right 139 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: when you realize that Edward Dallingridge was connected to the 140 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: hundred years Ward, then he was also one of the 141 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: people who put down the peasants revolts um, which isn't 142 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: often talked when when you discuss things like hey, this 143 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: person built a castle, and it's like yes, but why 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: I love that. A lot of castle historians and medieval 145 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: historians have really kind of turned to this one is 146 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: something to kind of pick apart and look at the 147 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: cause and effect of like why would someone want this 148 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: to be built why why exactly and put that in 149 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: the context of history. UM. I do want to give 150 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: a shout out to UM the National Trust website on 151 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 1: Bodium Castle. We mentioned at the end of the episode 152 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: that right now the interiors are not open to visitors 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: because of COVID, But one of the cool things they've 154 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: done is, uh, they have put some of the material 155 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: that you would normally see inside the castle online, So 156 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: like there's a video that you would normally see about 157 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: the history of the castle, and they're like, no one 158 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: can see this right now, so we're just making it 159 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: available publicly, which is just a really cool, nice gesture 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: in a way for people to learn. I imagine this 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: is one of those places that school children sometimes have 162 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: to go to and report on and that's now available 163 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: to them. So yeah, I just thought that was marvelously cool. 164 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: I feel like earlier on in the Pandemic, First Side 165 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: did something similar where there was like a virtual tour 166 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: of Versailles, UM, which was really cool because you and I, 167 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: you and we went to Versailla on our our trip 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: to France back in what was that it's all blurred together, UM, 169 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: and it's so really shoulder to shoulder packed in there. 170 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: Um that it's it's really hard to see things. So 171 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: having this virtual tour on line, even having been there, 172 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: meant seeing things I had not noticed before. Yeah, you 173 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: don't get a lot of time to like linger and 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: hang definitely like move through the hall of mirrors. There 175 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of people behind you and they all 176 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: need to see it too. Um. So it is. I'm 177 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: very happy that a lot of of historically and culturally 178 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: significant sites that have had to close have done similar 179 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: programs where they're they're making their content available. It's a 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: huge help. And like I said, I'm sure there are 181 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot of students who are benefiting from that. So 182 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: it's a big thing. I will tell you this, And 183 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: this may sound strange, Um, are you one of those people? 184 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Because I know you have a fondness for medieval history 185 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: at a level that is beyond mine. Are you a 186 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: castle person? I know that sounds weird, not as not 187 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: not as much. I've been playing a lot of a 188 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: game called Balheim lately, um, and there's a weird a 189 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: weird gender dichotomy and the people that I play at 190 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Alheim with Whereas I have made these little wooden homey 191 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: kind of structures and the men are all building these 192 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: gigantic stone castles with turrets and moats and just all 193 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: kinds of gigantic things. And I've been like, but I 194 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: like this little hut where I have all of my 195 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: crafting tables. UM. What I am incredibly into though, is 196 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: all the witch marks. I love the witch marks. I 197 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: love the witch bottles. I love the walling shoes up 198 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: in the wall to try to try spirits. I am 199 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: weigh into all of those things. Yeah, yeah, that was 200 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: I found that information on that study and again it's 201 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: they talked about it on the National Trust site. UM. 202 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: I came into that information kind of late in the 203 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: game and I was like, WHOA hold on, Yeah, there's 204 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: a whole other thing going on a podium castle, which 205 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense because of course, I bet a lot 206 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: of castles have these same things, but they don't always have, 207 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, the um an actual study done of them 208 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: to really identify. And it's one of those things. Again 209 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: we say witch marks and it sounds really like UM. 210 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: And we even mentioned that there's like a compass sometimes 211 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: in a pentagram, just as a reminder in case anybody 212 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: doesn't remember, medieval Airy era pentagram sometimes used in Christianity, 213 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily having anything to do with you know, devilishness 214 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: or or witchcraft in that sense, um, but really part 215 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: of a prayer. So I also love that. I love 216 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: the use of symbols as prayers as well, Like just 217 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: the value we place on the visual medium is always 218 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating to me. So now I want 219 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: to put witch marks all over my house. Thank you 220 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: so much for spending time with us this week, and 221 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: we hope as you head into the weekend that it 222 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: is as enjoyable as possible, and that if you are 223 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: obliged to do things like work, that you have as 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: easy a time as possible and everyone is super nice 225 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: to you. And we will see you back here tomorrow 226 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: for classics and next week with new stuff. Stuff you 227 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: missed in history. 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