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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. On November a Sunday, Emma

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Speaker 1: that this would have been something that could have been

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Speaker 1: a solution. And who knows whether or not a judge

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Speaker 1: would have found enough evidence at that point. I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to Andrew Canning speaking with

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Speaker 1: Emma's parents. When Emma's parents learned what had happened, they

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Speaker 1: were barely able to take it in. They had told

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Speaker 1: us that she had been shot. It's unthinkable. Emma's father,

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Speaker 1: Mark recalled with horror those noises he'd heard during the night,

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Speaker 1: knowing that those noises that I heard were gun shots,

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Speaker 1: and they sounded nothing like gunshots. But your instincts were

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Speaker 1: right that something happened in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: Do you think your child safe in your own The

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Speaker 1: father goes in upon hearing that sound and checks on

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Speaker 1: the children, um, and how many of us have lived

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Speaker 1: that out in the middle of the night, Karen Smith.

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Speaker 1: When I are sounds at night that wake me up,

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Speaker 1: I immediately get up. I check on the shouldren. Then

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Speaker 1: I raced to the other end of the house and

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Speaker 1: look to save my mom's okay, see she's breathing, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a scary thing. And the father did go

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Speaker 1: in and it looked like Emma was safe in her bed.

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Speaker 1: What what could it have been? It didn't sound like gunshots?

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Speaker 1: What is that main, Karen Smith, you're the forensics expert. Well,

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Speaker 1: it means that they were muffled, Nancy. It means that

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Speaker 1: you know, you could have mistaken it if there was

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Speaker 1: a pause between the gunshots. Did it sound like a

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Speaker 1: door slam? Yet it may have. It could have sound like,

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Speaker 1: you know, and maybe even a car door next door.

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Speaker 1: When you have muffled gunshots, the last thing on your

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Speaker 1: mind is thinking that somebody is shooting outside of your house,

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Speaker 1: So that doesn't even come to the forefront of your

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Speaker 1: of your brain. You're thinking that it's something commonplace, like

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Speaker 1: a door, like a car, uh, you know, the trunk

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Speaker 1: of another car across the street and that's exactly what

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Speaker 1: the father thought. And when he saw Emma in her bed,

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Speaker 1: there were no overt signs of evidence, and basically he

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Speaker 1: just walked away thinking she was okay. Well, just like

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Speaker 1: we all are discussing it right now, when you you

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Speaker 1: know what I always say, don't kick me out of

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Speaker 1: the studio, Jackie Howard, when you don't know a horse.

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Speaker 1: Look at his track record with all the football star boyfriends,

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Speaker 1: crazy stunts and pranks that were actually pretty scary. Of

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Speaker 1: course police took a look at him. Listen, it was traumonizing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to make of it. That's my fate,

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Speaker 1: that's house and I poletely draw away and this van

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Speaker 1: pulled it over across in the semi circle, and these

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Speaker 1: two guys are like walking across the street and hand out.

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Speaker 1: One of them grabs the back and the other ones

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Speaker 1: around the corner, and they just like put their hands

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Speaker 1: on my face and just to me to their van

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Speaker 1: or whatever. What would somebody do that to you? And

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Speaker 1: genuinely have no idea. They did ask me. They're like, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like who you want to talk to for

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Speaker 1: the last time? And it's also freaking now, And I

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Speaker 1: said and they made me call him a and I

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Speaker 1: was just crying, scream, and she thought it was a joke.

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Speaker 1: She got his crying ground car. Investigators arrived with just

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Speaker 1: sketchy details from first responders. They thought that originally that

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Speaker 1: it was a suicide, that she had ingested something, um,

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Speaker 1: poison or whatever. Knox County Major Mike McClain was assigned

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Speaker 1: to investigate the case with Major Crimes. Detective Alan Merritt

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Speaker 1: saw sixteen year old female ng and her bed with

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Speaker 1: a small amount of blood on her pillow, and some

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Speaker 1: people had confused that with that she had gotten sick

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Speaker 1: or you know, had ingested something and caused her to vomit.

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Speaker 1: But when the detective looked closer, he saw something unusual.

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Speaker 1: First responders didn't immediately see the hole in the wall.

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Speaker 1: There was a hole in the wall next to Emma's bed,

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Speaker 1: a bullet hole. And while only a little blood was

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Speaker 1: visible on Emma's pillow, when I investigators inspected her head,

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Speaker 1: they saw a small entry wound. So she's been shot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and

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Speaker 1: we take an in depth look at the murder of

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Speaker 1: a teen girl cheerleader in her bed with her parents

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Speaker 1: in the next room. They wake up in the night

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Speaker 1: when they hear a sound and check on her. Everything's fine,

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Speaker 1: my mom wakes her. The next morning, she realizes her

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Speaker 1: little girl, Emma Walker, is dead in her bed, her

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Speaker 1: head still on the pillow. She was shot through the head.

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Speaker 1: With me Pamela for Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: While everyone was looking at the boyfriend, the football star

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Speaker 1: and his crazy, erratic and controlling behavior, a gun turns

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Speaker 1: up missing. Who's gun, pam for. That gun was the

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Speaker 1: grandfather's gun of Riley. He called and and the police

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Speaker 1: and my gun has been stolen. They couldn't find it,

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Speaker 1: and at that point people were kind of suspicious as

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Speaker 1: to where that gun might be. As we always say,

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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, veteran felony prosecutor out of the California jurisdiction,

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Speaker 1: there's no coincidence in criminal law. So she's shot with

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Speaker 1: a gun and his grandfather's gun goes missing. Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and my book two plus two still equals four. Wendy,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We call that circumstantial evidence. And as we're

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Speaker 1: piecing together a crime scene, those are always the types

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Speaker 1: of details that are so important you know, you you

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Speaker 1: bring up that maybe you wouldn't necessarily think a loud

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Speaker 1: noise in the night is a gun shot, but in

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Speaker 1: the day and age we live in, maybe you would.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about finding the cause of death

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Speaker 1: and then a gun being missing, then you already have

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Speaker 1: pieces to put together of this puzzle that is now

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Speaker 1: finally being able to fall into place. But how do

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Speaker 1: they find the gun? How do you find because you know,

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Speaker 1: when you've got bullets, Karen Smith, forensics expert, you've got bullets,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have the gun to match him up too. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They're like fingerprints, one gun, only one gun. Like one

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Speaker 1: fingerprint leaves a certain mark on a bullet as it

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Speaker 1: hurls down the barrel. Only one gun can leave those

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Speaker 1: striations on a bullet, So you've got to have the

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Speaker 1: weapon to match up to the bullet. That's right. The

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Speaker 1: striations and those imperfections are unique to each firearm and

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Speaker 1: the barrel and what happens when the bullet travels through

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Speaker 1: that barrel, those imperfections are left behind. So now they

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Speaker 1: have two recovered from the scene, and they also have

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Speaker 1: the casings outside, which tell a story on their own.

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Speaker 1: So you have all of this evidence. But until you

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Speaker 1: have a known, until you have that weapon to compare

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Speaker 1: it to, those pieces of evidence are going to sit

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Speaker 1: in the evidence locker. Dr Brian Russell. In high school,

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Speaker 1: your friends, your peer group are your everything. How do

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Speaker 1: police manage to infilterrate Riley galls peer group to get

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Speaker 1: two of his friends to cooperate. Well, that is an

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Speaker 1: excellent question, and it sounds to me like it speaks

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Speaker 1: to some excellent police work. I think, uh, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: friends are very tighten it and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: wanting to back each other up during these years of lifes,

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Speaker 1: you know, adolescent years. But I think also, uh, good

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Speaker 1: kids and I think, thankfully still the majority of kids

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Speaker 1: are who had an instinct that a friend of theirs

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Speaker 1: may have been involved in something as as awful and

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Speaker 1: diabolical as this. Um. You know, I'm not all that

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Speaker 1: surprised that they felt some sense of duty. So Pamela

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Speaker 1: for explained to me what cops wanted Riley Galls to

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Speaker 1: friends to do. Well, they wanted to get some sort

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Speaker 1: of confession out of Riley that he had the gun.

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Speaker 1: And so these friends had already told detectives that they

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Speaker 1: actually saw this gun they were fearful of Gaul anyway.

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Speaker 1: They thought maybe he would try to commit suicide. And

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Speaker 1: at that point, Gall had actually told one of the

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Speaker 1: friends that he had stolen his grandfather's gun because he

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Speaker 1: was faking the whole you know, there's somebody after me.

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Speaker 1: That was somebody after Emma. So I'm fearful somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: hurt me. So he told friends, I told my grandfather's

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Speaker 1: gun to protect me. At that point, two of the

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Speaker 1: friends were very suspicious and told detectives they saw that gone.

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Speaker 1: That's when detectives said, let's wire you guys up. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Gaull wanted to dispose of the gone. He wanted to

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Speaker 1: throw it in the Tennessee River and wanted to take

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Speaker 1: his friends along with them, and so that's when detectives

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Speaker 1: wired those ends up so they could get him saying that.

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Speaker 1: And on the way to the Tennessee River, that's when

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Speaker 1: detectives found up Wendy Patrick California prosecutors. So they wired

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Speaker 1: the two teen boys, and then the two boys hook

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Speaker 1: up with Riley Gall. Still nobody knows what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: He could have easily gone Bisark in one of his

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Speaker 1: stunts and shot the two boys. So, Wendy Patrick, in

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Speaker 1: real time, how does that work? You wire the kids

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Speaker 1: up and what the cops are hearing it as it happens. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you really do have a lot of supervision in these

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Speaker 1: types of endeavors in order to protect these young people

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Speaker 1: who are so bravely going to go forth in order

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Speaker 1: to solve a mystery like this, not even so much

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Speaker 1: a mystery anymore, Nancy. It's all falling into place, and

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Speaker 1: the law enforcement was able to figure out this would

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Speaker 1: be the what they would need to do to put

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Speaker 1: those final pieces in the puzzle. And these young men

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Speaker 1: were willing to do that because they too, Now you've

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Speaker 1: got a gun and you've got bullets, and everything is

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Speaker 1: finally falling into place. They wanted to see justice for

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Speaker 1: their for this young lady, just as much as that

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Speaker 1: everybody else in that community. Did it fall into place?

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Speaker 1: Listen Tonight, there is a growing memorial to Emma Walker

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Speaker 1: at the Central High School football field where she cheered

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Speaker 1: this as police investigate her murder. Earlier this week. Walker

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Speaker 1: was found shot to death late Monday night at her

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Speaker 1: parents home in Northdox County. Now is w B I

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Speaker 1: R Tendage reporter Michael Crowe tells us her apparent boyfriend

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Speaker 1: is facing charges in her death. Michael, just hours before

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Speaker 1: police led William Riley Gall into the Knox County jail

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Speaker 1: in handcuffs. Friends and family of cheerleader Emma Walker there

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Speaker 1: at the football field where she used to perform to honor.

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Speaker 1: Tributes from that service remained flowers, candles, and kind words. Mr.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Beats says she knew Emma well. She was nice,

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Speaker 1: she was sweet. It's why she felt compelled to come

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Speaker 1: here bringing balloons. Emma. I just want to bring something today.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Emma. As Emma's family mourns, many questions

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Speaker 1: about her death remain, Sheriff's office investigators believe on Monday,

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Speaker 1: William Riley Gall stood outside the Walker home and shot

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Speaker 1: where her bed was located. Before his arrest, he tweeted,

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Speaker 1: I love you, Emma. I can't be around any of

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Speaker 1: that yet. It's too soon. I know you know I'm

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Speaker 1: dying to be there, but understand I can't. I love you,

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Speaker 1: And immediately after it became public that Emma was dead,

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Speaker 1: he posted the boyfriend, the team boyfriend. That's my sweet Emma.

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Speaker 1: Now she can finally rest in peace. I mean those

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Speaker 1: words must haunt her parents forever. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: parents make a comeback after this. Nancy Grace Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,