WEBVTT - Cruel Intentions with Jackie Johnson 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.640 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.320 have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.520 and husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.480 and best start changing it with the beck del Cast. Hello, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.239 and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.000 Loftus and my name is Caitlin Dronte, and this is 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.439 our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. You 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:30.520 bet you, We talk you, Yeah, you bet you. Hey 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.440 quick plug at the top of the show. 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Sounds like a real boring movie. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.919 I know women should not talk, and if they do talk, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:13.119 they better. Men should be demo it really quick. Let's 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:17.240 demo it, Okay, Kaitlin, Hey Jamie, how's your soccer game? Yesterday? 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.519 My soccer game went well? We won. I know you 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.679 want to go again. I'm a fan. Thank you so much. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.079 The one and also the one time I went, someone 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.000 got really very badly injured. So really a lot of 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.440 a lot of juicy stuff at the soccer game, speaking 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:37.040 of injuries that happened towards the end of something today's movie. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:44.640 So we're talking about cruel intentions. And here to join 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.160 us in the conversation, we have a host of the 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:55.680 Makeup and Beauty podcast, Match Beaute, Jackie Johnson Hippy. I'm 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.080 so excited to discuss a movie that I'm embarrassed to 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.960 say used to be a really important movie to me 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.600 as a kid. I thought it was so good and funny. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.240 Don't be embarrassed. This is truly the story of this podcast. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.680 I mean, I'm ashamed rewatching this. I was just shaking 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.160 my what did the kids say, shake my damn head? 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.120 I was shaking my damn head. I couldn't believe this movie. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.960 I cannot wait to discuss it. So, Jackie, what's your 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.640 history with this movie? I saw this movie in theaters. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.080 I do believe my mom bought tickets for me, and 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.560 I want to say my best friend Lauren Marty, because 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.039 my mom's like cool like that kind of like the 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:37.160 cool mom. Yeah, so, you know, very open parenting style. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.680 Because I wanted to see pacy ak Joshua Jackson. I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.200 saw him on like MTV news, like Kurt Loder was like, Hey, 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.360 what's up. There's a new movie out. You know, Joshua 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.680 Jackson Star on the Rise, got this little part, and 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.280 I said, I'm seeing that one please. So I went 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.800 and saw it. I loved it. I thought it was hysterical. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.920 I love the music. I loved all the hot actors 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.240 in it. I mean, I this movie up with a spoon. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.920 I quoted it all throughout my youth. I still, unfortunately 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.400 have it memorized because long term memory it sticks. It 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.920 sticks with Jaggie Ja so m I but I hadn't 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.920 rewatched it in a while. And can I just say 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.120 that this movie is very problematic now in any ways, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.800 and we're going to get into it, but damn, I'm 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.320 just I'm telling you this is what women are shown. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.320 Of Course, we all have issues. Of course, we all 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.000 have problems in the pagriarchy taking us down. I mean, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.200 this movie is complete garbage in terms of women and 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.240 treatment and the me too movement and just god, I'm 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:43.320 ashamed of everyone involved me I think, although I will 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:51.159 say soundtrack on fleek. Soundtrack, I mean, like the Placebo 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.960 song opening it up, color Blind, you know, coffee and 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.880 TV by Blur Love Me by the Card Against. I mean, damn, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.080 the music is on point, but everything else it's upset down. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.520 That's going to be my new favorite thing. Whenever something 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.160 completely baffling happens plot wise out of nowhere in a movie, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.760 I'm just gonna be like, do do do do? Do? Do Do? Do? Do? Do? 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.080 The way it ends is so psycho. My My history 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.719 with this movie is um just for for all you 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.200 beg to land out there. Caitlin and Sammy and I 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.279 hung out after the live show the other night, the 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.680 Edward Scissorhands Show, and watched Cruel Intentions and Eight Chicken 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.200 Wings and boy, that was my first time seeing I 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.279 can't believe you wouldn't see it. Yeah, I don't know. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.080 How did you not say that I hadn't seen it? Yeah? 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.599 And I saw it like away two days before our screening. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.560 It's so weird. So it was a huge I mean 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.279 among my circle of friends and my culture, like growing 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.799 up in like the late nineties, early two thousands in Dallas, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.400 suburb real Dallas, this movie was huge. We all quoted it, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.160 we watched it. I mean, I remember, like, let's all 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.400 watch David Days and like we popp and Coral Intentions 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.160 and have a laugh. So the fact y'all hadn't seen this, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.640 I'm sure I think we're the weird ones, though I 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.119 think for sure. Yeah, I don't know how I missed 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.720 it either, because in ninety nine I was thirteen, like 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.360 I was the age prime demo, because I think I 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.320 was like fourteen. Yeah, yeah, ninety nine is the year 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.400 of teens lying to each other and making bets to 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.200 have sex with other teens, because this is the year 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.080 that cool Intentions comes out, that ten Things I Hate 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.480 about You comes out, that She's All that comes out. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.200 So it's just like, what a time to be a lot, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.760 I know, and honestly a beautiful time. What a beautiful 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.920 I mean, looking back, there were some damn issues, but 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.800 I love that era. Being a kid of that era 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.240 was such a perfect time to me. It was fun 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:59.080 music day on the fashion, there was so so much 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.560 of a blank when Andy two was thriving. It was 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.480 SI to the movies. Though we're instanley problematic and influenced 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:13.960 our young brain hundred percent. But yeah, somehow I missed 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.280 Cruel Intentions. Didn't see it until last week, And this 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.640 is I think the most insane movie we've covered on 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.360 the podcast where it's like it's gets so problematic that 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.600 I just grew numb and was just enjoying the ride 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.240 because I was just like, this movie is a string 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:34.319 of like really pithy sexual assaults. The whole movie is 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.200 like quip quip, and now I'm coercing someone into sex 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.640 who doesn't actually mean Sebastian is a fuck boy to 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.520 a T. If you google funck boy, he'll come up, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.560 you know with that rama noodle j T Hair, I 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:53.200 mean he This movie triggered me in so many ways, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.160 and let's talk about it, because damn it, I'm fired 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.760 up Monday morning. I'm fired up for The one moment 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.600 in the movie that really absolutely destroyed me is because 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.120 a lot of the scenes that are supposed to be 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.640 sexy in this movie are not sexy at all. They're 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.240 completely like or for me. Anyways, There's that one scene 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.080 where Sarah Michelle Geller is supposed to be like teasing 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:20.240 Ryan Filippy, which is I love that. I'm just gonna 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.640 say his name like that. Yeah, my mom thinks Ryan 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.640 Phillippi's name was pronounced flippy like f l I P 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.640 p y so so Sarah Michelle Geller is teasing quote 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.920 unquote Ryan Philippe, and she's like laying on him sunny 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.800 side up and just sort of like moving her body 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.839 around on him like a limp noodle. And then he's 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.679 like looking almost to camera with this like very disturbing 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.000 erection phase. And it was the least sexy thing I've 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.400 ever seen, is like this sunny side up gyration, and 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.040 his hands on the body were like so like you 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.440 could see the pressure he was putting on her, like 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.160 palming her, like he wasn't groping her or even like 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.240 softly caressing her. It was like a wet fish, just 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.520 like slapping against her arm. It felt bad for both 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.400 of them in that scene because like that was the 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.960 kind of like supposed to be sexy scene where you're like, oh, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.280 there are thirty people in the room with them, and 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.000 it shows she was America sweetheart at this moment. She 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:28.400 was buff, being homophobic, being sociopath narcissists. Dare I say cruel? 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:33.839 I mean this movie, let's tell Yeah, So let me 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:38.240 do the recap of the story, which, oh god, okay, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:43.760 I'll do my best. So the story focuses on Catherine, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.520 which is Sarah Michelle Geller's character and Sebastian, which is 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.640 Ryan Philippe. They are step siblings who lived together in 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.480 New York City and they are like rich kid private 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.560 school elites, and they are also the worst people in 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.000 the world old Throughout the movie we see them like 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:07.479 using people, they're manipulating people, and generally they have cruel intentions. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.640 Stop it, I believe it or not, it's not an 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:18.720 ironic title. So Catherine meets uh cetile Selma Blair's character, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.319 who's Cell Blair by the way, in this movie playing 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.439 a fifteen year old huh okay, had to get that 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.440 out there. Yeah, that's Hollywood baby, Yeah, I mean that's egregious, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.160 that's wild yea. And in order to like compensate for 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:34.959 the fact that she's playing a character over ten years 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:40.040 and she actually is, but she's acting so obscenely childlike 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.880 that it's she like overdid it, and it's just very distracting. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.160 Not to put some on blast, but really bad jobs. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.200 I really liked her performance as a when I saw 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.200 it as a kid, I thought she was hyah paride. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.040 I mean they directed her to act like that, so 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:03.439 it's really not on her. So Cecile is starting school 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.200 with Katherine in the Fall, and Katherine does not like 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.400 Cecil because she stole Katherine's boyfriend Court. So Katherine wants 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.439 to ruin Cecil's reputation so that Court won't like her anymore. Right, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.320 boyfriend named after a place to play a sport. It's 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.960 a super like old money name Court. Yes, I'm so 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.160 lower middle class, but I had no idea. Never already 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.199 my fair share of courts. They were all Fiji's, okay, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.240 all my Greeks out there. Oh boy. So now Katherine 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.800 asks her stepbrothers Sebastian to seduce Cecile so that it 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:47.360 ruins her goody goody reputation. Meanwhile, Sebastian is like, I'm 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.960 tired of having sex with all these debutantes. They're so boring, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.200 So he wants more of a conquest and he learns 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.800 about a net, which is Reese Witherspoon's character, who is 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.920 also going to be starting at their school in the Fall. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:06.200 Reese is still great in this movie, is even though 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:11.439 the dialogue is so cheesy and horrific at times, they 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:17.040 all sell it. They do. They're committing to sure. That's 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.040 why looking back at this movie, you're like, oh my gosh, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.760 what happened. So a nets whole thing is that she's 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.640 a virgin and that she's waiting to have sex, presumably 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.000 till marriage, or like at least till she finds someone 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.080 who she's in love with. So Sebastian decides that he's 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.600 going to make a net his conquest and take her virginity. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.920 And Katherine's all like, you can't do that. That's out 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.600 of your league, even for you. So she's like, let's 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.040 make a wager. If Katherine wins, she gets Sebastian's cool 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.840 convertible car. If he wins, he can fuck her in 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.520 any hole he wants. We need to, like every nineties 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.040 teen movie is made of an a very sinister assaulted 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:06.000 bet yes where it's she and then sings Sarah Michelle 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.000 Geller in that sinister shot where she's like, what is 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.760 what's the last? You like? Any She's like anyway, and 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.760 then you're just like, I hate this. I like that 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.800 she sex positive and confident in herself. Yes, and we'll 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.080 talk about she gives like a monologue that's it's worth 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:29.000 unpacking everywhere. Yes, yes for sure. Yeah, And then side note, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.920 Sebastian has a journal that he's keeping where he details 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.400 all of his you know, like bets and lies and 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.560 conquests and stuff with all these women. So you were 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.760 saying it's an early incarnation of the mean Girls Burned, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.480 but I also feel it's sort of like his zanga 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.840 or his tumbler. Yeah, analog or perhaps like journals, you know, 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.880 like what what would be our equivalent? Right? Yeah, So 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.400 now Sebastian, he's going, he's trying to seduce a net 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.440 and she it is not having it at first, and 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.600 then meanwhile, but wear her dad, don't worry, don't you 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:11.240 don't you worry? One group at a time, right, Meanwhile, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:16.320 one nagging at a time, god, one monster. One just 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.480 being in a pool exposing himself. Yeah, he's like, me, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.720 show you what we're implying is a horse's dick, but 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.320 we don't actually see it. So there's no receipts on 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.120 the size of Ryan Philippe's penis, but the butt is good. However, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.960 he is fully exposing himself without her consent, and she's like, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.440 oh this is and then he yells at her for 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.320 her to turn around because the owners this movie fucking 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.600 upset me. I no wonder I like had such an 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.240 issue with you know, like when you're at a party 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.200 and a guy like touches your lower back and you 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.440 just kind of go along with it because you're like, well, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.400 I don't want to be rude. It's like, no wonder 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.160 that should happened to me in my twenties because of 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.040 this fucking movie. Right nowadays, if somebody did that, I go, hey, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.600 get your fucking hand off me. Anyway, keep going clearly 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.840 sucking upset. This movie up set me. He's just going 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.680 to be a therapy sessions, just like the movie is 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.160 condescending to where did you know? It's in this scene 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:19.000 like right after where Sebastian takes Cecil's virginity, there's a 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.920 bowl of cherries next to the bed, and it's just like, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.240 come on right, sorry, I wonder what they're trying to say. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:31.440 They're okay. So meanwhile, Cecile, she's into her cellow teacher Ronald. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.400 Catherine's teaching sectial how to kiss so she can be 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.960 good at kissing Ronald because we've got to please men, right, 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.920 got to get that kiss. I'm a great kiss also, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:47.560 all of that a great kiss boy. Then Sebastian assaults Cecile, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.680 but that is not what the movie would have you 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:55.920 believe happened. They think it's funny. Man, there's some goofy 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.960 music playing in the background. There's some we should make 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.920 a super good of, like assaults happening in movies with 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:07.919 a goofy soundtrack. Benny Hill like, no, no, he's so 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.320 this character that we are already supposed to be suspending 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.840 or disbelieved to be, like, oh, she's fifty. The way 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.600 that scene goes is he basically is like, you have 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.440 to kiss me. He's like he says like yeah. He's 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.760 like all I want is a kiss, and she's like, oh, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.320 that's all. She essentially wants to leave. She's like, I'm uncomfortable. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.480 I'm leaving because he's basically says, get naked. I want 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.160 to take your picture. She says, I want to leave. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.399 He goes, you can't leave, traps her and blackmails her, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.600 I'm going to call your mom and tell her. So 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.800 she's I'll do anything, Please don't tell my mom. Okay, well, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.359 let me kiss you. She goes, okay, I guess, and 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.480 then he grabs the draw strong of her pants, pulls 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.160 her pants down, and she's like, what are you doing, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.960 what are you doing? Clearly upset and he goes, you 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.240 said I could kiss you and just starts going down 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.160 and then a promise is a promise? Gilts her into 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.440 it will unpack this whole scene in a moment, but 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:04.080 it's upsetting up. Meanwhile, Annette and Sebastian are falling in love, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.679 like what, And then Katherine has sex with Ronald the 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.040 cello teacher, and then Sebastian and finally have sex, which 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.840 makes Katherine jealous because she's like, I thought I was 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.920 going to have sex with my stepbrother, which she apparently 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:24.800 wanted to do anywhere. So Katherine's like, oh, your reputation 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.320 is going to be ruined Sebastian if you you know, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.200 blah blah blah. So he's like, you're right, I am 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.359 going to tell Annette that I don't love her, and 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.280 then she's like, you eightyot, you ran away from love 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.439 the first chance you've got, just because you thought I 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.040 was going to ruin your reputation. And then he's like, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.679 you're right, I'm an idiot. So he goes and tries 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.480 to make amends with Annette, and then there's a crazy 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.720 scene where he and Ronald get in a fist fight, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.080 he's thrown into traffic. He gets hit by a cab 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.680 and not hard, and then in an accident that would 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.000 maybe break a couple of ribs but not kill him, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:10.000 but he dies. The end of the movie is Catherine 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:16.639 at like the funeral service, and she's like, oh my god, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.639 Oh how sad. And then there's something like bustling around 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.040 in the crowd. She's like, what's going on? And then 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:28.520 she goes outside and everyone has a copy of Sebastian's journal, 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:36.439 which outs her as this horrible, manipulative kid, cruel intentioned woman. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.440 It also outs Sebastian as a horrible person, which no 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.000 one seems to care about. And then it ends with 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:51.719 Reese Witherspoon driving Ryan Phillippies creepy journal into the sunset 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:56.760 because they're still in love. Even in Ryan Phillippes death, 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.359 she still loves him. And somehow she got the pink 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.760 slip for the car, which y'all never understand. How did 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.119 he put that in his will knowing that he was 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.040 going to get it by a m after meeting her 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.919 a week ago, But somehow the bitch got the jag. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.800 She drives away with it and that's the end. So 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:22.280 she won the bet. She actually I the fact that 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.840 it's they're supposed to be. She's insulted in the journal 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.879 we see it's like, stupid, bit, you won't fuck and 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.720 then she's like, I love him forever and then drives 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.800 away in his car. I was like, what the funk 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.280 is this movie? Like, usually, when I'm seeing one of 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.520 these movies for the first time, you can at least understand, like, oh, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.760 I understand, even though I find it to be problematic 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.320 and fucked up, I can understand what this was supposed 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.280 to have been viewed when it came out that I 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.000 can't get there. I can't get to they're still in love. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:21:00.000 I think you know too far away, because I'm telling 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.359 you I love this movie and I didn't see anything 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.920 wrong with it. I'm ashamed to say that, but that's 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.720 truly teenager truth. I mean, it's unfortunate that that's the 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.200 culture that I grew up in, but that's what we 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:16.720 were given to consume as media. And I thought this 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.879 movie was hilarious, funny, I thought I was great, and 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:24.159 I'm this movie sucks. It sucking, sucks, it sucks. And 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.520 with with that, let's take a quick break and then 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.840 we will be back to unpacked the intentions that are 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:43.439 cruel and we're back, all right. So yeah, I mean 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.400 where to jump in? How about within the first five 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.359 minutes of the movie, Sebastian has revenge porn an innocent person. Yes, 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.840 how about that, that's a good place to start. He assaults, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:22:00.240 I would argue his therapist verbally, sexually, and then he 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.879 revenge points her daughter. Huh just because for no reason, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.359 just her fun. He says later that she did that 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.800 because she was overcharging him for therapy, and so you know, 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.040 how do you compensate for that? Is with human body? 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.720 And it's oh, it's just horrible. So yeah, right away 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.560 we learn about what a cruel intentioned man Sebastian is. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.040 And then the conversation that his therapist has with her daughter, 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.320 who is played by Terror Reid, Terry's are like, he 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.640 put nude pictures of me on the internet, And then 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.480 her mom says, how could you be so stupid? So 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.960 she's a victim blaming her own daughter. The Bechtel test 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:48.479 passing exchange what they like, you dumb slut, your dumb slut, 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.280 you dumb slut. And then Terry's like, Mom, are you there? 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:59.840 She like that does pass its test, So yeah, that's 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:05.200 gets up Sebastian's character pretty well. And then he continues 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.720 throughout the rest of the movie to keep doing heinous 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.359 things like this, except that he's the kind were rooting for. 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.720 He does nothing to redeem himself at all. I would 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.040 argue he gets hit by a car. That's the best 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.560 thing he does in the whole movie is die. And 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.760 this is one again one of those movies that it 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.040 seems very prevalent in the eighties and nineties and and 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:28.320 probably the two thousands as well, where it's like rich 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.480 kids saying, like, my parents who love me and give 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.120 me everything I want fuck them, like and and we're 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.120 supposed to be like my hero just so bizarre. Well, 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.280 we never meet their parents in this movie, so it's 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.199 kind of hard to tell what their relationship is like. 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:49.440 But it's still like we have to assume perhaps not great, 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.400 perhaps not great. I think they're both seeking attention from 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:56.560 a really sad place due to the fact that your 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.240 parents can be rich and give you, you know, physically 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.760 anything you want aunt but if they're not giving you 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.959 attention and love, then you know, none of that matters, 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.560 and I think that's clearly what's happening. The parents are 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.840 off dealing with their own ship all the time, and 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:14.320 the kids are desperately seeking attention, right literally fucking each 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:19.120 other their sunny side up in each other. Like keep 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.240 an eye on these kids. So I want to talk 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:27.320 about the romantic pursuit, specifically of Sebastian pursuing a Net 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.880 because she's heard that he has a bad reputation and 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.679 she immediately doesn't like him. She says the line, it 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.800 amazes me that someone is charming as you could be 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.840 so manipulative, which they kind of go hand right, right. 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.520