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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the beck del Cast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie

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Speaker 1: Loftus and my name is Caitlin Dronte, and this is

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Speaker 1: our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. You

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Speaker 1: bet you, We talk you, Yeah, you bet you. Hey

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Speaker 1: quick plug at the top of the show. What I

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Speaker 1: But we're doing a bunch of live shows coming up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: get used to it. We're and and and and here's

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Speaker 1: the twist. It's on both coasts, both coasts. Yes, we've

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Speaker 1: got our East Coast. Are three days super tour coming

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia at Good Good Comedy Theater, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: is run by past guest of the show, Kate Bamford.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is. We're covering Waiting to Exhale with guest

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Speaker 1: Aaron Whack at that show and then on Sunday, November four,

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Speaker 1: doing two shows, but one of them already sold out,

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Speaker 1: Natalie McGill. And finally, Monday, November five, in New York City,

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Speaker 1: my hard lamon name. So we talk about the portrayal

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Speaker 1: just give us a jumping off point. The Bechtel Test

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Speaker 1: It requires that there are two female identifying characters with names.

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Speaker 1: They have to speak to each other, and their conversation

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Speaker 1: cannot be about men. Sounds like a real boring movie.

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Speaker 1: they better. Men should be demo it really quick. Let's

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Speaker 1: demo it, Okay, Kaitlin, Hey Jamie, how's your soccer game? Yesterday?

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Speaker 1: My soccer game went well? We won. I know you

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Speaker 1: of injuries that happened towards the end of something today's movie.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about cruel intentions. And here to join

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Speaker 1: Makeup and Beauty podcast, Match Beaute, Jackie Johnson Hippy. I'm

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Speaker 1: my fair share of courts. They were all Fiji's, okay,

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Speaker 1: false idea of like, oh, this girl is smart, this

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00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: girl is capable, which which is true. But then the

422
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: second she can fall for a fucking psycho creep, she

423
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: does immediately, which just sells the idea to like young

424
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: smart girls of like, no, you should do this anyway.

425
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: It's like you, you know, you can be sure, yet

426
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: like girl power, you can be smart, but you still

427
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: have to funk every creep who hits on you. Like

428
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: it's just horrible. And part of the reason that she

429
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: falls for him is because he's lying to her and

430
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: he's having other people lie on his behalf about Oh,

431
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: his reputation, it's bullshit. You know, he's actually a pretty

432
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: nice guy. What do you think about his homophobic blackmail

433
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: who could forget we'll unpack that. But then he's you know,

434
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: pursuing her as a bet for most of the time,

435
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: but then he actually does start to develop feelings for her.

436
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: And then that's the movie asking us to be sympathetic

437
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: to him and root for him because he's sofening up.

438
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: He was a bad he was a cruel intentioned guy,

439
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: but now makes one goofy face and he's like, you

440
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: know what, I'm a changed man. But also he isn't. No,

441
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: he's not, and to the very end of the movie,

442
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: he's still being horrible to everyone around him. But again,

443
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: this is the movie, like we are, the movie is

444
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: asking us to root for him. He's our protagonists who

445
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: were like, oh, I hope he succeeds, and even though

446
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: he dies, we're supposed to feel something about it, or

447
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: that's what the movie wants us to feel. And I'm

448
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: sure you know, as a young teen who saw this movie,

449
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: uh yeah, everyone was like, oh no, he died, that's

450
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: so sad. Oh now the death is so weird. That

451
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: death is so it's like lazy writing. It's a d

452
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: sex market. Yeah, like, let's just kill him. And ever

453
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, here we are. We're backed into

454
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: a corner here, so we're gonna have him, you know,

455
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: give her the journal. She's gonna read it, change your mind.

456
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: She's on the street, she's looking for him. Uh what

457
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: do we do, guys? I don't know. We can't buy

458
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: a taxi cut in print. I mean, it's very lazy.

459
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: I also don't understand how her receiving his journal makes

460
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: her realize, oh, he does love me after all, because

461
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: in the journal he explains his plan to manipulate her

462
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: and steal her virginity. Yeah, and then she's like, cool, dude, dude,

463
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, you know, she's obviously very easily manipulated. I

464
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: think he definitely added an addendum at the end that

465
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: was like, but throughout this process, I actually felt for her,

466
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: and I've changed and I feel terrible. And she accepted

467
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: the apology, you know, so that's why that happened. But

468
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: can I just say they showed a page of the

469
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: book of his journal at the end, the photo copies.

470
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: I paused TV. I couldn't read that ship. That was

471
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the worst handwriting I ever. It was like a doctor prescription,

472
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: like scribble, and I was like, who fucking read this?

473
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Can any of these kids read this ship? I couldn't

474
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: read a damn word of it, so who knows what

475
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: he even said. But the takeaway of that journal is

476
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be Yah, Sarah Michelle Geller's a real bit

477
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: like he gets let off the hook essentially why yeah?

478
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: And then and then also there's like the teacher who

479
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: comes up behind her and like takes away her coke necklace, which, narratively,

480
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: how could he have seen that already? He hasn't come outside,

481
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: But sure, fine, they're good. Plan didn't think about that.

482
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean when that happened in the theater, I remember

483
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: just being like, yaw, queen, Like I was like, damn,

484
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: revenge is a bitter fucking you know fish. I thought

485
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: that was like the coolest I'm telling you, I ate

486
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: that ship up. When he pulls out the scoop and

487
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: it flies in the air and the look on her face,

488
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, drugs, look at you nowhere, man,

489
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Like I love them. The one good message of the movie. Yeah,

490
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: although I did google, well, I didn't google, but I

491
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: was like I want one of those. Not that I

492
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: do coke, but I was like, I want like a

493
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: drug necklace. That to me was a really exciting idea.

494
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put my like my emergency powder in it. Yeah,

495
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: your vitamin B twelve supplements to give you energy. Well,

496
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: like Jamie, like you were saying, Sebastian has completely let

497
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: off the hook, like he he is just as complicit

498
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: and just as much of a villain. More. Yeah, I

499
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't see Sarah Michelle Geller rape anybody, because he assaulted Ceceeal.

500
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: He is assaulted type yes, like and and and that's

501
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: just the movie what we saw, Like imagine the back

502
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: pages that book. A bunch of women at that school.

503
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: How do you think they're feeling right now, because you

504
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like how horrible. Their whole lives

505
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: were just blasted on front of everybody, and he out everyone,

506
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: including himself. And this movie takes place over the course

507
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: of three or four days, and so it's like he's

508
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: been doing this for a little longer than that. But

509
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: even so, maybe a week or two crazy because because

510
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: he and rees haven't known each other for more than

511
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: a little more than a week, maybe it's hard. Well

512
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: that's I think this is other four School gets back.

513
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: But at the beginning of the movie that Cecil was like, oh,

514
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Ronald's teaching me Cello over the summer, as if the

515
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: movie takes place over the course of a whole summer.

516
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: It's really it's unclear. It makes it seem like it's

517
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: a few days. It could be as much as a month,

518
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: or a couple of months, or right like a week.

519
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to tell. Probably not thinking about it

520
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: that hard. In the people writing this movie, you're not

521
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: concerned about consistency, the value of a human life. There's

522
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things they're not worried about. It's just

523
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: insane to me. The movie poises Sebastian is like, oh,

524
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: he redeemed himself, And I wonder if they made him

525
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: die just to make him seem more sympathetic, because otherwise

526
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: the story is Sebastian and a net ending up together.

527
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, what does that relationship look

528
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: like then, because like now she knows the truth, and

529
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: like where do you go from? How do you build?

530
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know the origin, I haven't read the source material,

531
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: but does that character get hit by a taxi and

532
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: they give their journal out or how? I don't know.

533
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: Cruel Intentions is adapted from a novel by a man

534
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: whose name is so French that I cannot beare something

535
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: it was written in seventeen eighty two or published then,

536
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: which absolutely tracks and and keeps with this at another

537
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: late nineties trend of like trying to adapt like old

538
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: ask books into movies for teenagers. Um, right, because she's

539
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: all that was an adaptation of Pygmalion, right, yes, and

540
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: Ten Things I Hate About You was a Shakespeare So yeah.

541
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: It's another another sinister media trend where everything is derivative.

542
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, oh, the sexes ins in the

543
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: late seventeen hundred is still applicable today and apparently, I

544
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: mean no one proved them wrong. Um, and the book,

545
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: it looks like the Ryan Phillippe character dies in a duel,

546
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: like in the fight with Ronald, so I guess they're like, well,

547
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: we can't have Ronald kill him because that would be

548
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and they can't duel, so let's just

549
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: do the yark. He also died saving saving Annette. He

550
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: died a hero. Annette was trying to break up the

551
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: fight and she got flung into traffic and got up

552
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: very slowly, let's be honest, very very slowly, and She's like, oh,

553
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of the street. Oh a car

554
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: is coming what? And Sebastian pushes her out of the

555
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: way to save her and in turn gets hit. So

556
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's another element to why everyone's forgiven him. Yeah,

557
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know the movie jumping in front of a

558
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: cab for somebody, that's very I don't people, I can

559
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: think of it like that. Would I guess I would

560
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: probably do it no matter what. Instinctively, sure, because I'm

561
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: such a people pleaser. But I hope I don't find

562
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: out if I'm being honest. But if we do die

563
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: is people pass just die in the pursuit of trying

564
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: not to give a perceiving Yeah, I mean the cab

565
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: was going what also like screeched on his brakes, like

566
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: you heard him screeched his break so by the decelerating

567
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: is slowed down where I know, right, we're not doctors.

568
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: Sebastian has some kind of like um autoimmune disease where

569
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: he was we you know, he bruises easily, and the

570
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: blood somewhere he would have been carrying bruises from the

571
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: sunny side up. Then then when it cuts to him

572
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: and his injuries, he has a few scratches on his

573
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: forehead and he has some bloody knuckles and that's it, like,

574
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, unless he's got some like severe hemorrhagame or

575
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: like a traumatic brain injury. Like right when we're not

576
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: on the adaptation, this is not the only adaptation of

577
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: this French novel that came out, Dangerous Liaisons based on

578
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: the same fucking book. Yes, I can't remember it or not,

579
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: but I have not seen it. But I will watch

580
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: anything with Glenn Close in it, so I will wash

581
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: it or wait, dangerously that's not the one where she

582
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: cooks his bunny, right, That's what I was just thinking

583
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: that say attraction, Yes, I got it. I also, when

584
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: we were watching this movie, thought we were watching I

585
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: thought cruel Intentions. I was like, oh, that's the one

586
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: where Kathy Bates locks a guy in a house. That's misery.

587
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: So I was in for a full well, I thought

588
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: we were watching misery. We were not. We're watching something

589
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: way worse pretty much, but just as violent. And and

590
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: say which I mean really quick, say what you will

591
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: about this movie. But Christine Branski does play a character

592
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: named Bunny, so not all bad. Well, she's incredible in

593
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: the movie, although problematic in many ways. She slays Arsky,

594
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I have no notes. Let's talk about that for a moment.

595
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: So there is an interracial romance between Cecile and Ronald.

596
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: Ronald is fooling. And also, if my daughter brought home

597
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: a Juilliard composer Chells, I'd be like, honey, thank you,

598
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: you did a good job. But he's not good enough.

599
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: So mainstream movies generally do not like to feature interracial

600
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: romances on screen. When they do, it's often a big

601
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: plot point of the movie, rather than just treating that

602
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: relationship like it's a normal thing that doesn't need to

603
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: be heavily commented on. So movies like Get Out, Guess

604
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: Who's Coming to Dinner, Save the Last Dance, Jungle Fever, Holes,

605
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: Our Favorite Loving Um, just to name a few, they

606
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: all have major plot points that derive like like that

607
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: that sounds like I never was anywhere. I mean this,

608
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: I can't believe I haven't seen it, being a huge fan,

609
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: I've read the book. Oh the movie is pretty good, Okay,

610
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: so um, these movies all have major plot points that

611
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: derive from two people of different races being together. I

612
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: would say a recent recent exception to this is to

613
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: all the boys I've loved before. Um, I still gotta

614
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: watch it. Oh it's good. Have you seen Greatest Showman? Yes,

615
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that one has one too. Oh right, but oh god,

616
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: that movie was terrible. Um I cried twice. But that's fine.

617
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure I would probably cry. I would probably

618
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: hate it and cry. That's a really good Basically, I

619
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: just think that there should be more stories that normalize

620
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: an interracial relationship, rather than saying, like, oh my fucking god,

621
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: look how big of a freaking deal it is for

622
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: a white person to date a non white person, but

623
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: they really talk about it. So Cruel Intentions makes a

624
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: fairly big deal of an interracial relationship where uh Cecile

625
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: as a white woman and her cello teacher Ronald is

626
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: a black man, and they are in love, and Catherine

627
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: uses their interracial relationship as fuel to seek revenge on

628
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: Cecil by telling Cecil's disapproving racist mother. Well, it also

629
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: doesn't help that the only black man in this movie

630
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: is praying on a child. Right. We we don't know

631
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: how old he is, right, but he's attending pre Juilliard,

632
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: which I don't know what that means or what age

633
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: that would make it's possible he's also a child. I mean,

634
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: I guess because you know, I agree with all all that.

635
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I will say, like when you are somebody's teacher, there's

636
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: a power dynamic and I'm not a fan of that.

637
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, have you y'all have taken improv classes in

638
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: this town? You know how it goes men teachers, you know,

639
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: So it's not cute. Sometimes totally agree. So like the

640
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: fact that the only man of color is abusing the

641
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: power dynamic, whether he's a child or not. Although I

642
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: will say he didn't touch her, but those letters are

643
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: a little creepy, the letters. He does get behind her

644
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, that's the first thing you see him.

645
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: And where he's like he's behind her is his arms

646
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: are around her under the guys with like let me

647
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: teach you how to play cello, but it's really like,

648
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: let me put my crotch right up against your ass.

649
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Ghost scene. Yeah, pottery getting made in this scene. No,

650
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: it's jest a guy hitting on a kid. But the

651
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: twist is the kids twenty seven. It's very confused. Anyone

652
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: could be any age in this movie. So I think

653
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Zembe Blair gave birth to half the cast's it's hard

654
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. And then we see that

655
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: same play out where like Mrs Caldwell is like Ronald,

656
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: how could you I got you off the streets and

657
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: he's like, I live at park what are you talking about?

658
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: And then he's saying like, I never touched your daughter,

659
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: and I thought someone of your stature would look beyond

660
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: racial lines. And she's like, oh, don't give me that

661
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: racist crap. I gave money to Colin Powell, which but there,

662
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the bare minimum done here is that the

663
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: racist character is clearly wrong and silly, right, but the

664
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: subtext of everything is still extremely bad, right, because he's

665
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: still praying on the kid. And then again Catherine, who

666
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: is the villain of the movie, even though Sebastian is

667
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: actually the villain of the movie, but the movie wants

668
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: you to love him. But Catherine is like exploiting the

669
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: fact that two people love each other and because they

670
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: happen to be of a different race, She's like, oh,

671
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I can like use this as fuel to get back

672
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: at Cecile, which, like Cecile literally did nothing to her, right, nothing, nothing, nothing.

673
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: She doesn't have enough brain power to do much. It's

674
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: like she you know, basically this is an ego thing.

675
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: Katherine dated a guy court and something happened. We don't

676
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: really know. There's a quick little scene of her like

677
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: going down on him while he's passed out, but it's

678
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: basically he started seeing Cecile and she her ego said,

679
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: you don't me for her? Oh buck her, which is

680
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: such an issue among women, like if listen, it's never

681
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: the other woman, it's the guy. It's never the other woman,

682
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: it's the guy. Do not hate on the other woman,

683
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: it's the guy. I'm telling you from experience. Yeah, And

684
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot on the podcast because

685
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: we come up upon many relationships between and it's often

686
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: teen girls, but in movies it shows two women just

687
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: like being in conflict with each other for reasons that

688
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: aren't fully explored, just because you know, the older white

689
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: men who are writing these movies are like, teen girls

690
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: can't get along, so let's just make sure that's in

691
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: the movie. So but that's why we all learn from it,

692
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've been in many, not many.

693
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: I've been in a few squabbles with girls that are

694
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: currently with my ex or there I'm with their ex,

695
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: and all of them. Eventually I go, yeah, that was dumb.

696
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: This is silly. But movies like this reinforced the idea that, yeah,

697
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, gotta women against each other, go against all

698
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: this upbringing. I'm a fucking miracle sitting in front of

699
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: you right now. Evolved is a fucking miracle. Personally, I

700
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: recommend forming a league of exes. I have. I'm a

701
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: part of several leagues of exes where Scott Pilgrim there

702
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: to know because that movie Problemax but there. But you know,

703
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I've dated a lot of losers, and uh, sometimes

704
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: losers get to have sex with a bunch of cool

705
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: ladies and then the cool has become friends, and then

706
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: the loser has to stop performing stand up comedy. It's great.

707
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: It's it's great. Did we I'm literally on a text

708
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: change of my X. It's great. It's real trauma bonding.

709
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Uh guess it's the guy. Everybody break, That's all I

710
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: gotta say. Let's take a quick break and we will

711
00:42:49,920 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: be back for more cruel intentions. And we're back not

712
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: to keep. I know. The adaptation head in the room

713
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: love talking about adapting source material, but in the original book,

714
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: the way it ends is Sarah Michelle Gellar's character has

715
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: to move to the countryside, and then she contracts smallpox

716
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and lives, but has scars on her face forever, so

717
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: she looks like sh and her punishment, her beauty is

718
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: taken away from her. And then also Cecil is disgraced

719
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: and can never be married. So you know, Sebastian dies

720
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: and you know, goes down the hero and then all

721
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: the women he affected suffer and are disgraced for life.

722
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: Very cool. I love history, but that is like what

723
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: writers of then and now's idea would be. Oh, how

724
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: do we punish a woman take away her beauty? Because

725
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: women's beauty is all that matter? My guy, Pierre not

726
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: very well, guy, No, do better. Pierre Decay's very h

727
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how queerness is represented in this film.

728
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Shall we have to? We have to? So there's a

729
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: subplot where Blaine, which is Joshua Jackson's character. Oh yeah,

730
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson's in this movie. He's fully bleached, frosty, tippy.

731
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: He's wearing a sweater vest for a large portion of it. Um,

732
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean he's rocking the look. If I'm being on

733
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: I did like the sweater vest he is hooking up

734
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: with this football player dude, Greg Greg. I did I

735
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: stand a Gregster? Okay? And Greg is who Sebastian thinks

736
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: is bad mouthing him to a net because there's someone

737
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: who's like, Sebastian is bad, don't date him in it,

738
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: and Sebastian thinks it's Greg. So Sebastian uses Greg's queerness

739
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: to blackmail him. He basically threatens to out Greg unless

740
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: he admits to bad mouthing him. And we understand at

741
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: this point in the story that Sebastian is still a

742
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: bad guy and we've seen him do a bunch of really,

743
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: you know, morally reprehensible things to people already. But what

744
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: is really troubling to me about this scene is that

745
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: all of this is happening right in front of Blaine,

746
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: who is the other identifiably queer character in the movie,

747
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: and he is completely complicit and everything that Sebastian is doing,

748
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: he was participating in it like he was like, that's

749
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: an awesome idea where it's just like in the same

750
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: way that like Rehese's character is presented to us as

751
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: a smart, capable woman who will go along with whatever

752
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson's character is like a smart, funny, cool queer

753
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: man who is down for whatever sinister gay bashing plot.

754
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: Ryan Philippe's noodle Head can come up with. It's horrible. Well,

755
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I look back on my my

756
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: high school experience and my queer friends, and I think

757
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: they were just trying to get by. Yeah. I think

758
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: this was a defense mechanism. It's like, yeah, that's right. Yeah,

759
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: call me a homophobic splore. I'm fine with it. He's

760
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: just trying to get through his damn day. He's just

761
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: waiting to graduate, to get the funk out of there

762
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: so we can find his tribe. But that just doesn't

763
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: come off in the movie at all, Like it just

764
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: comes off as like, oh, yeah, this is fine. And

765
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I feel for the Gregster. This is to this movie,

766
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: like many of its era, did not acknowledge any gray area.

767
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: It's like you're gay or you're straight, and like that's it. Poor.

768
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I feel for the Gregster. I really hope the Gregster

769
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: comes into his own later and that his dad accepts

770
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: him and then he goes on behind a powerful queer

771
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: football career. But then, but then poor Greg has to

772
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: do Sebastian's creepy. Errand yeah. And I would say of

773
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the hundred or more movies we've covered on the podcast

774
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: so far, only a small handful of them, probably like

775
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: five or less even have had an identifiably queer character. Um,

776
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: a lot more have been queer coded, but that is

777
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: not the same. So there's such a lack of queer

778
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: visibility in mainstream Hollywood cinema and it's a huge problem.

779
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: So for one of like the few examples of a

780
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: queer character that we have to choose from to be

781
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: able to see on screen, he's really evil and cruel

782
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: and like willing to sell out his own people for

783
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: reasons that are not really established in the movie. And

784
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: it's so it's like even characters who are not coded queer,

785
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: who are identifiably queer, they're still villainous. Not that this

786
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: movie is was ever going to do any better, but

787
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: that was just like a punch in the mouth as well.

788
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean he was. He was like a

789
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: comic relief for you know, yeah, yeah. And another I mean,

790
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this trope applies as much

791
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: in this movie, because literally everyone is a horrendous villain.

792
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: But adding another queer villain to the roster certainly is

793
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: not hell not helping, not helpful. Well, and then the

794
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: other queer moment in this movie is between Selma Blair

795
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: and Sarah Michelle Geller, which is I mean, you can

796
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: come with this in a lot of different ways. I'm

797
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: interested in, like what our listeners think of this moment

798
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: because it is so like I feel like this. This

799
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: is used in movies a lot just to like get

800
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: butts and seeds. It's like, these two actresses are having

801
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: a kiss, but it sells the idea that it's like

802
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: it's just an experiment. It's just for fun, it's not serious,

803
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: and that's part of what makes it appealing or what's

804
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: supposed to make it appealing. Um is it's I think

805
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: the most effective kiss of the movie. It was like coonic.

806
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: It was I hadn't seen this movie, but I knew

807
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: that right. It got parody in many of film I think,

808
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: like not another team movie franchise. It one best kiss

809
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: at the MTV Movie Awards that year, which at the

810
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: time was fucking iconic, big and um you know the

811
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: little spit trail that was famous. I did like this,

812
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it was the whole scene

813
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: was you have to learn how to be sexy for men,

814
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: you have to learn how to please your man. And

815
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: it was a very like male gaze moment. And you know,

816
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I grew up in a completely different place.

817
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: I was in you know, suburbial Texas, not like you know,

818
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: upper New York echelon. But I never made out my

819
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: fucking friends. I don't know, neither did I not until

820
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: college when I was like, oh, let's see what this

821
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: is like. But not and I don't even mean that

822
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: in a way of like you shouldn't experiment sexually with

823
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: your friends. I'm just saying it was. It was such

824
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: a like, well don't you want to be better for

825
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: men to like you? And that made me sad. I

826
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: think it would be really beautiful if they kissed, because

827
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: very experimenting, you know, figuring things out. But it was

828
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: very much like if you want to be sexy to

829
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: other men, if you want to know how to please

830
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: a man, because fuck him pleasing you, you know what

831
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, He's not making out with his friends, so

832
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: he knows how to please you better. So it's our job.

833
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean it with your friends. My neighbor and I

834
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: used to practice kissing in each other to Madonna's two

835
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: thousand album music. There were some good songs on that CD. Yeah,

836
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: we were practice frenching. I think this scene is largely

837
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: there to satisfy a male gaze. I think it could

838
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: you argue that it's positive that it exists in this

839
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: film for you know, young queer girls to be able

840
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: to see themselves and say, oh, this is like yes,

841
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: but I think the movie was thinking about this at all.

842
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: I think the movie was like, wouldn't it be hot

843
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: if we had two hot women kissing each other? And

844
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: it was a very sensual moment. It was, I mean,

845
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: it was like it was well done and it's Yeah.

846
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: The reason I didn't want to come down too harder

847
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: because it's like, because there are so few moments for

848
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: like young queer people to attach themselves too, and so

849
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure for many people this is like a scene

850
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: that's like, oh, this is like that was like some

851
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: sort of awakening or something like that and good to see.

852
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: But there's no, there's only cruel intentions behind what cruel intentions?

853
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Whatever do you mean? But yeah, and then this happens

854
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: in movies all the time. Two examples, right, off the

855
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: top of my head are Jennifer's body at the Apple

856
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: Cody Joint, And there's just very like this didn't need

857
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: to happen, but you added it in because you wanted to,

858
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: because you're a guy, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Another moment

859
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: happens where this is when Sebastian and a net are

860
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: for meeting on screen and Sebastians all like, oh, I

861
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't like your manifesto. It's gross that you want to

862
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: be a virgin, and she's like, she's saying, you know,

863
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: I think that sex should be for people who are

864
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: in love, and that you should the act of love

865
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't be done unless you love the person, which is

866
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: feist Trevor, which was Trevor. We don't meet him, but

867
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: her boyfriend respects for damn wishes. They use a homopholbic

868
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: slur him. Yeah, and she's like, I'm actually he's a

869
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: he's a feminist dot com right and and the Greg

870
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: Stir queer icon. Yeah, so and that's all like we like,

871
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: people are age are mature enough to experience those emotions,

872
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not having sex yet. And the

873
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: Sebastian immediately asks, are you a lesbian. And this is

874
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: this I think third movie that we've covered recently where

875
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: a woman either doesn't want a boyfriend or doesn't want

876
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: to have sex with a man, or is simply identifies

877
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: as a feminist. And then other aaracters, usually men, assume

878
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: that she's a lesbian because this happens in five days

879
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: of summer. How dare she not be attracted to me

880
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: instantly and want to fuck me? And then and then

881
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: backpad a little bit back to the virginity article, is like,

882
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: this is something that happens in movies all the time too,

883
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: Like implying that someone is like just waiting for a

884
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: manipulative dick to come along to lose a virginity too,

885
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to like it's clearly stated in the Weird

886
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: teen magazine she somehow wrote editorial for for no reason

887
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: that this is what this is what she wants and

888
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: this is like and and she explains it clearly, and

889
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: the movie is like, yeah, but she doesn't actually mean

890
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: that she's just into submission. So, and I want to

891
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: talk about that scene where Catherine gives us like sort

892
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: of monologue where she's calling out a double standard that

893
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: we see in so soety where heard of it. She says,

894
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: it's all right for guys like you and Court. She's

895
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: talking to Sebastian, for guys like you in court to

896
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: funk everyone. But when I do it, I get dumped

897
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: for innocent little twits like Cecil. God forbid. I exude

898
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: confidence and enjoy sex. Do you think that I relish

899
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: the fact that I have to act like Mary Sunshine

900
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: seven so I can be considered a lady. So she's

901
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: basically saying, like, it's not fair that men can have

902
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: sex with a bunch of people, you know, their reputation

903
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: remains untarnished. They're cool, they're you know, awesome dudes. And

904
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: then whenever women have sex with more than one person,

905
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: they are labeled a slut. So she's calling this out.

906
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: She makes a good point, but she's also insulting another

907
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: woman while doing it. She's mad at people judging her,

908
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: but she's judging some another woman's sexual choices. Right. This

909
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: rang completely empty to me? Yes, Like I just if

910
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: she would have cut the first sentence, you know, or

911
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: the part the innocent twit like ceceal part, it would

912
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: have been fine. But clear Really she's just dealing through

913
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: her own ship. Yeah, and it's like the the whole

914
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: like Gillian Flynn argument, they're Jillian Flynn, don't know, we

915
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: never know, don't caret tired. But but the whole argument

916
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: there is like that like women should be allowed to

917
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: be villains and isn't that parody? And like I agree

918
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: with that to an extent, but this is this just

919
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: like falls squarely into a thing I fucking hate, which

920
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: is like the adding a few like this is a

921
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: moment for feminists that is totally empty because the character

922
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: is complicit and all these horrible things and they're means

923
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: women themselves, and it's just like it's it's it's empty,

924
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: like girl power, especially because like I think this monologue

925
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: could be way more meaningful and progressive if it was

926
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: coming from a character who wasn't completely evil, like because

927
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: this movie does what a lot of movies do, which

928
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: is to take a woman who is interested in sex

929
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: and who is open with her sexuality, but who's also

930
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: like really mean or has just some other neg of

931
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: characteristic like ascribed to her character, so it's almost villainizing

932
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: her sexuality where it's like, oh, yeah, she wants to

933
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: be open, she wants to be free to have sex,

934
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: with a number of different people. But also she's cruel,

935
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: she has cruel intentions, especially because this isn't the direct

936
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: lead up to her being squarely made the sole villain

937
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: of the movie by the end. Yeah, I just want

938
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: to say also, like, I was prude shamed, and that's

939
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: just a word I made up. It might be a term,

940
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: but that's an I was prude shamed in high school.

941
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: I graduated High School of virgin and uh, and I

942
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: was extremely prude shamed by a guy I was dating,

943
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: by all his friends, by literally everyone, and it's a

944
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: whole other coin. Yeah, And I struggled with a lot

945
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: of that myself because I saw, you know, friends of

946
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: mine having sex and and then I almost shamed them

947
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: out of insecurity and like, you know what I mean.

948
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: So I hate it, but I think it's important to

949
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: call out again. This is the ship that we were shown,

950
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and this movie affected me and my sexuality subconsciously, how

951
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: I saw other women. And that's all I gotta say

952
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: about that shot. It's all the pruds, you know. I

953
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: was trying to get through the damn day. I was

954
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: trying to graduate and go to school. Prudes are productive people,

955
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the point it's like, you want and

956
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: how about no women comment on other women's sexual preferences.

957
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: There's say, you know what, if you want to sex,

958
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: that's awesome. If you don't, that's awesome. We can all

959
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: co exist without judging each other, your body, your children

960
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: exactly because and that's another thing that bothers me about

961
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: the Reese character is like at the beginning, it's like

962
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: if I saw this movie when I was teen, prude,

963
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: same same thing, I would have been like, oh, this

964
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: is the character I attached myself too. And then immediately

965
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: it's like no, but she just has to funk Bryan

966
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: Philippie and then her life will be great, and it's like,

967
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: well he manipulated her. I mean, I would like to

968
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: think when she's thirty three, you know, doing a podcast,

969
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: that she would be like, fuck, I should not, you know,

970
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I do that a little differently

971
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: if I thought about it and a little more, I

972
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: had intentions not so nice where they cruel? Would you say,

973
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to like throw anyone under the bus here.

974
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: But also his handwriting is really bad, but I got

975
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: a Jaguar out of it. I don't wish to speak

976
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: ill of the dead, but like perhaps his intentions were cruel. Well,

977
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: let's talk about another scene or series of scenes that

978
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: probably also negatively influenced you as a teen watching this movie,

979
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: which is the rape scene and the after So, so,

980
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: what happens here is that Sebastian invites over Cecil under

981
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: the pretense that he's going to help her with Ronald

982
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: to write, which he has no intention of doing. Actually,

983
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: Then he feeds her an alcoholic drink that she does

984
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: not know contains alcohol. He takes pictures of her without

985
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: her knowledge or permission. Then he negs her and says,

986
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: too bad, you're not sexy. Then he unzips her sweatshirt

987
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: and exposes her bra without her permission. Then he threatens

988
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: to call her mom and blackmails when she wants to leave.

989
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: When she wants to leave, explicitly says I'm uncomfortable. I

990
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: want to leave, and to which he says, you can't leave.

991
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: I will rat you out and ruin your life, so

992
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: he traps her. Then he says, all I want to

993
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: do is give you a kiss, which she the consent.

994
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: Here in this in this isolated moment is still murky

995
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: because she's really only agreeing to it to sort of

996
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: placate him because he's been blackmailing I'll do anything, just

997
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: don't call my mom, right, which is so gross as

998
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, she's a child. And then he's like, well,

999
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: I want to kiss you down there, and then she's like, no,

1000
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't want that. And then he's like, what promise

1001
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: is a promise? I mean, I can't imagine, like I

1002
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: put myself in that situation. And again, when I was

1003
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: like a fifteen year old virgin, I mean, that would

1004
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: have completely ruined my life. That would have completely changed

1005
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: the course of my life, my sexuality, everything. Absolutely, It's

1006
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: a very fucked up moment. Yeah. And the aftermath of this,

1007
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: so then he takes advantage of her naivete pressures her

1008
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: into oral sex, which she does not give consent to.

1009
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: He rapes her. So the next day she is visibly traumatized.

1010
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: And then I think maybe later that day or the

1011
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: next day or something like that, Cecile and Catherine talk

1012
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: about it. Cecile says, you know, something awful happened to

1013
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: me last night and involves your brother. He took advantage

1014
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: of me, and then straight up says, your brother fucking

1015
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: rape me. Your brother fucking raped me. And what does

1016
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: Catherine says? Well, first she says why didn't you do something, which,

1017
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: again is victim horrible this. I literally felt throw up

1018
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: rising my throat watching this. It made me so uncomfortable.

1019
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: It's just like, gut, I loved it when I asking you, Yeah,

1020
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I thought this was funny. And we're so gas lady insane,

1021
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: bad sending the message that like women cannot talk to

1022
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: other women about this stuff, and it's just oh, it's

1023
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: bad because it confiding in her. Yeah, she was terrified,

1024
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, he forced in her course on

1025
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, oh he made you give him a blow up? No,

1026
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: well then what and then she described what happens and

1027
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: then she's like, oh, he went down on you, if

1028
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: that's what you call it. And then she's asking did

1029
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: you like it? No, and she's like no, and she's like, well,

1030
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was weird. And then Catherine's like, oh,

1031
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: well you had an orgasm. You're becoming a lady. You

1032
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: had your awakening right unless she's like, I'm so proud

1033
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: of you. And then Cecile, who again is a victim

1034
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: and is experiencing trauma, the movie has her say I am,

1035
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: and then she's squealing with delight. She hugs Katherine and

1036
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: then Katherine's like, it would be stupid of you to stop.

1037
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: You should keep going, have Sebastian teach you all the

1038
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: sex stuff, sleep with as many people as possible, and

1039
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: she's like, well, wouldn't that make me a slut? And

1040
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Katherine's like, everybody does it, it's just that no one

1041
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: talks about it. So, like, God, I hate this so much.

1042
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: It's the worst possible way this could have unfolded. Where

1043
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: she's a victim of rape, she is confiding in another woman.

1044
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: That other woman gaslights her, victim blames her and then says, oh,

1045
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: what happened to you wasn't bad. It was actually good

1046
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: because you had an orgasm and you should keep doing it.

1047
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: And then the scene after that is Cetile back at

1048
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: Sebastian's place. She has now had sex with him, she

1049
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: wants to keep having She's she's verywhere he throws her

1050
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: off the bed because she's talking. I mean, he's really

1051
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: setting her up for a healthy sexual identity, and you

1052
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, it's just my heart broke

1053
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: in this scene, just imagining her again growing up in

1054
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: her twenties. This is setting her up for just really

1055
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: shitty emotions involving her sexuality. It bummed me out so hard.

1056
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: I guess I'm like too old to enjoy movies anymore

1057
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: because all I see are the sad things. I'm so

1058
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: glad I didn't see this movie as a teenager, because

1059
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: I really think I would have been so full of

1060
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: this over all of this, and that says a lot

1061
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: again about you know, my environment, the media I was consuming,

1062
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: the lack of positive, helpful conversations. I was big given

1063
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: So again, it's a miracle. And who I am today

1064
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: and it's all I gotta say. Well, we've had to

1065
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: reach we've all had to retrain our and it comes

1066
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 1: with age. That's one, you know. I'll take that. Yeah,

1067
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: And I'm happy with who I am today. And fortunately

1068
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: this is not the sort of movie. It would be

1069
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: very hard to make this movie in the same way

1070
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: today because society, because we have a vault, we have

1071
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: ad enough. Certainly not, that's why we do this. Every

1072
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: movie from like, have you to talk about the wedding singer? No,

1073
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: not yet, I'll leave it for that. It used to

1074
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: be on favorite movie and I watched it and I

1075
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: was just like, damn, there's so many things in this

1076
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: movie that really are not okay anymore. I had to

1077
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: give my favorite movie Back to the Future. On a

1078
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: bonus episode. We did Zero Nipples because everything about it

1079
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: is horribly problematic. There's some assault in that movie too

1080
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: that everyone just hurt her. That was funny. Yeah, this

1081
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: movie is horrible, but great soundtrack. Also, I love the

1082
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: frost the tips. They're frosty and I'm here for him.

1083
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: But like everything else is horrible. Ryan Phillippi says emails

1084
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: for geeks and pedophiles, which is so great. I mean,

1085
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: it's like, which you know, relatable. They didn't get everything wrong.

1086
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: That's a l O L line. It is still email

1087
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: is still chaotic, evil, and god. An email causes me

1088
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: so much anxiety. It's not like a phone call where

1089
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: you can talk to somebody and then it goes away

1090
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: and you'll never really remember exactly what somebody says. It's

1091
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: literally like, I remember, I broke up with this guy

1092
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: and I sent him the worst, like embarrassing overshare email,

1093
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm married now he's married. Now that

1094
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: email exists, It's like this, some day he could fucking

1095
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: there's a paper trail, and I hate that makes me

1096
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: so upset that that exists. Man, Sometimes when I'm feeling

1097
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: like emotionally cutting, I'm like, let me just see see

1098
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: an email. Is isn't at any point terrific psycho. Does

1099
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: anyone have any other thoughts about cruel intentions? It's just

1100
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: like if if you want, if you are an evolved

1101
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: person who wants to get drunk with their friends and

1102
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: really ugle a horrifying piece of media, this was a

1103
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: fun party watch. Other than that, I mean, if you

1104
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen this movie and expect to get anything out

1105
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: of it in terms of your life, you won't write

1106
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really a cursed piece of media. It's sure,

1107
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: it's a little over an hour and a half long,

1108
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: but it took me, I would say, four hours to

1109
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: watch because I kept either having deposit to take a

1110
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: string of notes, or I was just so emotionally exhausted

1111
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: watching it that I just had to keep taking breaks.

1112
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, one point we didn't even touch upon is

1113
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: Catherine's wardrobe, which is literally like Grandmama. It was like,

1114
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: so as they say on Project going Away, matronly, she

1115
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: dressed like a you know, sixty seven year old like

1116
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: rich lady in the clothing is crazy. And then a

1117
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: Nette is dressed in like white, sells the whole movie

1118
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: because she's like the virginal, she's paste. And then she

1119
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: dres just pretty like that's what a mid two thousands

1120
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: or late nineties, you know teen girl would wear. Sure,

1121
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: but I think the color palette was very intention it was.

1122
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: And then the and then Cecile is dressing in like cartoonish.

1123
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: She's wearing a bit. Why didn't see the diaper the

1124
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: fucking eyes saw dress. It's cost dot diaper with her

1125
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: fucking barette. You know. She look Well, that's why I

1126
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 1: carry backpack. I always say we're a backpack. It takes

1127
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: ten years off of you instantly. Oh I'm late for

1128
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: sucking stunny hallo. Tip for all the people out there,

1129
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: that's actually a great tip. Thank you adition. They're gonna go, wow,

1130
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 1: look at that ten best boss. Oh well, shall we

1131
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: determine whether or not the movie passes the back to tests?

1132
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: Somehow it does. There are quite a few scenes where

1133
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: women interact in the movie. This passes it. Yeah, yeah,

1134
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. Unfortunately, like oh my god, by

1135
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: our standard it only has to be a two line

1136
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: exchange that passes. So there are quite a few conversations

1137
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: that women will be talking. They will start off the

1138
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: conversation about not men, and then they will start to

1139
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: talk about men, but the first few lines of those

1140
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: conversations will pass. For example, like even in the very

1141
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: beginning with the therapist whose name we learn based on

1142
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: the book Covers, Dr Regina Greenbaum, she's on the phone

1143
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: with terror read. She's like, hi, honey, and then Marcy's like,

1144
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: you kept me on hold, and the doctor is like,

1145
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's something wrong, and then they start talking

1146
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: about that. But that count, I mean to us, which

1147
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: the bar is so low. We talked about that all

1148
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: the time. We talk about the fact that this test

1149
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: is flawed. That is what we named the show, so

1150
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: we have to I mean, I only found one conversation

1151
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: where they didn't talk about men, and that was when

1152
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: Aunt Helen and net are discussing her house while they're

1153
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: riding the horses. It's like, oh, what a beautiful home.

1154
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's been my family for generations. Oh thank you

1155
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: for letting me stay here. The only conversation between not

1156
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: pass the back to time. But then Annette says, oh,

1157
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: my grandpa used to read horses, so then she mentions

1158
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: a man. There's a scene towards the beginning where Katherine,

1159
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: Cecile and Bunny called well Christine brains scar. They're talking

1160
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: about how Cecile is going to start school, and there's

1161
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: there's quite a few lines that do pass. But then

1162
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: but then Cecile says, what are the boys like? So

1163
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: then that stopped. Soasian sexually harasses her and that looks

1164
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: up her skirt, yeah, and nobody says anything, and then

1165
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: mother shames her. Yeah, She's like, together, close your legs.

1166
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: This isn't Jamaica. What the does that mean? First of all,

1167
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't like it. Whatever that

1168
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: implication is. I hate it sound they're not saying, how

1169
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: fucking dare you my fifteen year old daughter? You're disgusting.

1170
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It's so much victim blaming and victim shaming.

1171
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: So enraged. How dare they do this to Christine? Honestly,

1172
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: Christine didn't God? Okay. So there's a few other scenes that,

1173
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: like towards the end, whenever Katherine and a Nette are

1174
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, as Katherine snorting cocaine out of her

1175
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: uh necklace and that comes out of the stall. Katherine's like,

1176
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone else is in here. And then

1177
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sorry, I'm Anette heargrove, and she's like,

1178
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm Katherine. Have we met? I don't think so. And

1179
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: then they talk about they both act like they don't

1180
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: know who each other is. Right, We're right they talk

1181
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: about Sebastian. But yeah, those few first lines passed the test.

1182
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: So this movie unfortunately does pass, even though most conversations

1183
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: between women end up being about men. So yes, so

1184
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: good job movie. Shall we rate the film on our

1185
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: nipple scale? Can can do it? All? Right? Zero to

1186
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: five nipples? Based on its portrayal and representation of women,

1187
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: It's zero. I'm getting this is getting zero nipples. Every

1188
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: Thing between the victim blaming, the assault that is not

1189
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: considered assault by most of the characters in the movie

1190
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: and the movie itself, the homophobia, the slurs that get

1191
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: thrown around very freely, the fact that women hate each other.

1192
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: There there isn't a woman that gets along with another

1193
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: woman in the whole movie. Yeah, the fact that Catherine

1194
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: is villainized at the very end, and she's the one

1195
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: who gets her come up, and even though Sebastian is

1196
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: the way more active villain and does way more horrible

1197
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: things throughout the film, including assault, It's just I feel

1198
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: really sorry for anyone who watched this as a young

1199
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: and impressional person, because this movie almost certainly screwed you

1200
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: up to some degree, and it's horrible that this movie

1201
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:09,919
Speaker 1: exists in the world. Soundtrack though there so yeah, zero nipples,

1202
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: so I have no nipples to give to anybody. I'm

1203
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: also going to give it zero nipples. I want to

1204
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: give it negative nipples because this is a successful movie

1205
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: to add a net negative impact on the culture. It

1206
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: did harm to people. I'm giving it negative one nipples.

1207
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving in an inverted, cursed nipple because it did.

1208
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, movies like this are so frustrating because there

1209
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a special case, because there's truly

1210
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: nothing good to be taken away from it. Yeah, you're

1211
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: totally right. There's not one positive not loaded with like malice.

1212
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: Female interaction where at least there are male male relationships

1213
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: in this movie that are friendships, but of course it's

1214
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: because they do evil shipped together. They rape in packs.

1215
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: But like no woman talking to another woman in this

1216
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: movie is done without them lie to each other, manipulating.

1217
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: It's just women and women when you say their intentions

1218
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 1: are perhaps okay as they mean yeah, as they mean intentions, okay, okay,

1219
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm it gets an inverted nipple for violence against Christine Baranski.

1220
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: It it just I don't like when my galasm is

1221
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: saying things about Jamaica that make no sense. This movie

1222
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 1: is like, sucks so hard that it is watching a

1223
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: slow taxi crash that makes no sense. Yeah, it's bad,

1224
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: it's bad. I don't I can't think of something I

1225
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: could have done to make it worse. Right, they made

1226
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: every bad choice, and that is an accomplishment in itself.

1227
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: They made every single bad choice. They didn't let Sebashian

1228
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: have one. I mean he even verbally assaults the old

1229
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: woman in the retirement home. Yeah, he fucking verbally assaulted

1230
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: the old lady in the retirement home. Character gets past him,

1231
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: he gaslights hers like yeah we played backgammon, don fuck

1232
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: your daughter? Like, who the fuck? But sick fuck I

1233
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: also the fun runner of every time Sebastian walks into

1234
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: a building, he abuses the working class doorman, class shaming people.

1235
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh he's just a night but he's the guy that

1236
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: we're supposed to root for at the end because he

1237
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: gets because not even any less evil because of this.

1238
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: He does nothing because he had a sinister scrap book

1239
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: that was published. Yeah, he went into a lot like

1240
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: he like cut things out, amazing deca, getting crafty. Yeah,

1241
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you know whatever, fuck it negative one nipple, Yeah,

1242
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: well what would you give it? I would give the

1243
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 1: soundtrack five nipples with the movie zero. Yes, fuck this movie. Honestly,

1244
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: shame on all these actors too, But again at the time,

1245
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: we didn't know any it was. That's really depressing. But

1246
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: that's true. And I to pull the ignorance card, but honestly,

1247
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: but it's true. It is. It just makes me. I

1248
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: wonder what they think now, you know, like Molly Ringwalld

1249
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: talked about The Breakfast Club and like, looking back on it,

1250
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: I would love to hear what SAA Michelle Gellar thinks

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Speaker 1: of this movie now. And Ryan Philippi. This movie almost

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Speaker 1: became a TV show two years ago and then it

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Speaker 1: was mindfully canceled. Um, I don't know, has like done

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Speaker 1: a lot of good things, it seems since she you know,

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Speaker 1: she has a production company where she's championing female led projects,

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Speaker 1: championing women of color, its rules, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: So at least she was funked up with that cop

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Speaker 1: at one time. But we all pretended, oh wait, what happened?

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Speaker 1: What she was driving drunk, got pulled over? It was like,

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Speaker 1: don't you know who I am? I mean the the

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Speaker 1: PR team skirted pass out. Everybody gets one shitty pass

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Speaker 1: you learn from it, you know, Okay, Hollywood forgives. I

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Speaker 1: think we all know that by now. Okay, unless you're

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Speaker 1: a woman older than four. But racist America's sweetheart. When

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Speaker 1: she won her oscar, I sobbed, I wept with joy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so call me Reest, love you and and l Woods.

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Speaker 1: I will defend her till my night. Yeah, like Reese

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Speaker 1: Weatherspoon is like white feminism, the person the better for works. Sure. Yeah, well, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the podcast and

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Speaker 1: discussing this life with us. Where can people find you online?

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Speaker 1: Do you have anything you'd like to plug? Well? I

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Speaker 1: host a show called Natch Beaute. It's a beauty show.

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Speaker 1: But what does beauty mean to you? You know, that's

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Speaker 1: really what we talk about. We we really love cruelty

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Speaker 1: free products, so we get into the kind of the

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Speaker 1: stuff nobody tells you about the beauty industry, makeup and skincare,

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Speaker 1: and we have fun on there. So maybe you two

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Speaker 1: can come on and we can talk about stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It would be fun. I like cruelty free intentions wait

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Speaker 1: and direct DVD sequel, So yeah, check out natural You

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Speaker 1: and you can follow me on Instagram at an attribute

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Speaker 1: and then my I always plug my dog's account hello,

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Speaker 1: because my dog is the biggest star in my house.

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Speaker 1: So you like dog accounts? Follow Chucci love it Yeah awesome.

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Speaker 1: You can find us in all the usual places. We

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