Speaker 1: Hi, This is Zach Wheeler. Welcome to Philly Shows.
Speaker 2: Especially rest yesterday today.
Speaker 3: Hey everybody, welcome to the Philly Show Live from Manco
Speaker 3: and Manco and Ocean City. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,
Speaker 3: I'm Todd's a lucky We're super excited. Friday, July seventeenth,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, a date, when a date. We're excited
Speaker 3: to be back at Manco. We love Manco. I just
Speaker 3: had some the other day during the home run Derby
Speaker 3: hit the spot, hit the spot. During the home runner,
Speaker 3: I had a whole half of a pizza which I
Speaker 3: should not have had.
Speaker 4: Not good for my you know, for my weight, but
Speaker 4: very very good for my tummy.
Speaker 5: I eat it almost every day at the stadium and
Speaker 5: I can't button my pants.
Speaker 6: But where the magic happens right back here.
Speaker 3: That's all right. We're excited about this show today. We've
Speaker 3: got Larry Bow, We've got Charlie Manuel, we got Brandon
Speaker 3: Duckworth Shore, we see Tom McCarthy stop home. We've got
Speaker 3: a lot of heavy hitters. I saw the line outside
Speaker 3: and I said, wow, is this for me? Then I
Speaker 3: realized who was all coming on the show and coming
Speaker 3: to watch the show today and we have other famous
Speaker 3: people too.
Speaker 4: Dave Bucket is here, Buck is herest grand with this
Speaker 4: year is here, There you is, and my Ben, Greg
Speaker 4: Castriados here and everybody in the fact.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming. We've got a lot
Speaker 3: of talk about. Let's talk about some current events. There
Speaker 3: was some big news yesterday at the ballpark, some monster
Speaker 3: implications for the Phillies at the trade deadline, So it
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Speaker 3: reveals with the Phillies revealed that Brad Keller has a
Speaker 3: UCL tear in his right elbow. His season is over
Speaker 3: two years, twenty two million dollar contract in the off season.
Speaker 3: The Phillies were obviously excited about that move, thinking he
Speaker 3: could be a big setup for the Phillies. Guys, we've
Speaker 3: been talking on this show for weeks, maybe months, about
Speaker 3: how the Phillies are gonna need to go out and
Speaker 3: get some relief help. And now that that need, that
Speaker 3: desire just escalated like one hundredfold.
Speaker 5: No question, it makes the need for bullpen help more acute.
Speaker 5: We kind of thought something was going on with Keller
Speaker 5: when he didn't pitch over the weekend in Detroit after
Speaker 5: he had come back off the IL, pitched in Cincinnati,
Speaker 5: and he's going to get a second opinion. But he's
Speaker 5: done for the season, and I would I would imagine
Speaker 5: the way these UCL UCL tears go, he could be
Speaker 5: done for a good portion of the.
Speaker 6: Next season as well.
Speaker 5: So they need to go out and find some bullpen
Speaker 5: help because since June one, the bullpen eira is over six,
Speaker 5: and since July one it is over eight. So I
Speaker 5: think that kind of is glaring that that has become
Speaker 5: their big need the bullpen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about it. We've been talking about the bats.
Speaker 4: You know, why are the bats and we need the
Speaker 4: bats in the playoffs and all other stuff.
Speaker 3: The reality of it is.
Speaker 4: And we've talked about this a million times, some of
Speaker 4: the biggest reasons why they did not win the World
Speaker 4: Series the last few years is because they haven't been
Speaker 4: able to shut down teams late in the game when
Speaker 4: they've had leads, and so this is a real issue
Speaker 4: for them. They do have some big arms in Alvarado
Speaker 4: and Kirkering and some other guys, and now you know
Speaker 4: see Jonathan Boland kind of stepping forward, But the reality
Speaker 4: of it is, none of those guys have really performed
Speaker 4: in the playoff scenario. And so, boyle boy, it's going
Speaker 4: to be incumbent upon Dave Nebrowski and his folks to
Speaker 4: try to add that piece because this is a playoff
Speaker 4: contending team and a World Series contending team, and certainly
Speaker 4: that bullpen is a important piece of it.
Speaker 3: So Rubin, a few months ago you had mentioned a
Speaker 3: role as Chapman as a guy you would personally love
Speaker 3: to have. Now the Red Sox have kind of crept
Speaker 3: into the Al wildcard race, so I can't imagine that
Speaker 3: they would trade him necessarily. But do you think the
Speaker 3: Phillies need to go out and get a player of
Speaker 3: that ilk, a stud late inning, lockdown setup guy for
Speaker 3: Juan Duran? And then secondly, how difficult is that going
Speaker 3: to be? Because listen, the Phillies do not have a
Speaker 3: deep farm system, They don't have a lot of talent
Speaker 3: to give up, and you're not going to be able
Speaker 3: to give up, you know, your number fifteen prospect to
Speaker 3: get a lockdown late in any guy. So that's a challenge.
Speaker 4: Well, to answer your first question as far as getting
Speaker 4: a lockdown guy, yes, I do think that they need
Speaker 4: to try to do that if they can.
Speaker 3: The second part.
Speaker 4: Of this question is the most difficult part of it.
Speaker 4: Now there's a guy named Mason Miller that's going to
Speaker 4: be available. Now, I will tell you this, A J
Speaker 4: Preller is one of those guys that loves Latin American
Speaker 4: players and Latin American prospects in particular.
Speaker 3: Now I know the Phillies have a big one in
Speaker 3: rent area.
Speaker 4: This kid is a stud and we'll probably have Larry
Speaker 4: Bowa maybe talk about him a little bit later on
Speaker 4: in the show up.
Speaker 3: He's actually gotten a chance to put his eye as
Speaker 3: he and or Charlie.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the guy, but I gotta
Speaker 4: believe that a J Preller would covert that type of
Speaker 4: player because he loves those kind of players.
Speaker 3: So he would have to be a piece in that.
Speaker 4: But Mason Miller, for me, if I was sitting in
Speaker 4: the GM's seaton, I would be eyeballing him because the
Speaker 4: Padres are basically out of this thing.
Speaker 3: And and I think a J Preller is gonna.
Speaker 4: Do a little a little bait and switch action.
Speaker 3: What do you got, Jim Well.
Speaker 6: I love Mason Miller. I love that idea. I've loved
Speaker 6: it for over a year.
Speaker 5: I would love to see them getting a hunt from
Speaker 5: Mason Miller last year. He still has three years of
Speaker 5: control beyond ash year, so there's great value in that.
Speaker 5: He's he's absolutely locked down. I mean, you put him
Speaker 5: in the in the eighth going into Doran, because I
Speaker 5: don't think he can take the closest role from Durrand
Speaker 5: the performance he has given the Phillies over the last year.
Speaker 5: But I mean Mason Miller, I would he would make
Speaker 5: you stand up and take notice. What you mentioned about
Speaker 5: Preller and the lotten players. They have another one in
Speaker 5: Marquette Pitcher from Mexico who is really opening eyes in
Speaker 5: the system. But I think you'd have to consider gauge
Speaker 5: Wood in that and where this team is, you know,
Speaker 5: with the age of this team, the payroll, UH, the
Speaker 5: desperation to win and win now, and what Mason Miller
Speaker 5: could do for you. I would send some serious talent
Speaker 5: U San Diego's way to get him not.
Speaker 6: Only for this year but for the next two as well.
Speaker 3: Bold Bold, big game hunting. I would go big game hunting, brother,
Speaker 3: So that's just me. Would that include a two that
Speaker 3: would have to include a Gauge Wood or an Andrew Painter.
Speaker 3: I would I would think him right.
Speaker 4: I would think it would have to take multiples because
Speaker 4: Mason Miller is under control.
Speaker 3: He's got a tremendous amount of value.
Speaker 4: You saw what aj Preller did with Juan Soto. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's gonna try to get as much talent he possibly
Speaker 4: can if that and that is probably the biggest guy
Speaker 4: on the market. Everybody's looking for this type of a player,
Speaker 4: and if he does become available, man, there's gonna be
Speaker 4: a it's gonna be tough to try to pry him.
Speaker 5: And the way San Diego has emptied out their farm
Speaker 5: system with them falling out of it, they're gonna be
Speaker 5: looking to restock that Thompson. Now it's gonna take multiples.
Speaker 5: He's got a hell of a trade ship there, because
Speaker 5: that's a guy who can propel you to big places.
Speaker 3: If you fall short through. Because the competition for him
Speaker 3: is going to be so intense, I guess you just
Speaker 3: have to try to get what you can do. The
Speaker 3: marginal upgrades we always talked about that with Pat Gillick
Speaker 3: would say, incremental improvements, incremental upgrades, so anything is better
Speaker 3: than nothing, I guess, yeah, no question.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be very difficult for Dave ne
Speaker 4: Browse to come through this trade deadline without making a move.
Speaker 4: I know how difficult it is to make trades, and
Speaker 4: they do not have a ton of pieces to do
Speaker 4: it with.
Speaker 3: But you know, he's in a tough spot.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, these veteran players,
Speaker 4: the Harpers, schore Beers, Turners, the Zach Wheelers of the world,
Speaker 4: they are waiting and hoping JT. They're hoping that that
Speaker 4: there's an addition to this team, one or two over
Speaker 4: them to help this team try to propel them to
Speaker 4: the next level and get it to the World Series
Speaker 4: and win it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't care about waiting on those prospects. They
Speaker 5: want to it now and they want to have a
Speaker 5: big addition to that team. And the most glaring need
Speaker 5: now is late leverage bullpen, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Isn't it crazy how volatile the relief pitcher market is.
Speaker 3: You think I was just looking last night at some
Speaker 3: of the Philly free agent relievers that were available in
Speaker 3: the offseason. Edwin Diaz has been hurt. Robert Suarez right
Speaker 3: now has hurt Ryan Helsley has heard. Devin Williams has
Speaker 3: an ERA of over four and a half, Phil Maton
Speaker 3: era over six, Fairbanks in era almost seven. You know,
Speaker 3: then you have other guys that have hit. Luke Weavers
Speaker 3: pitched well, Kyle Finnegan has pitched well. Monster Energy Unleash
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Speaker 3: we're back to Philly Show Live at Manco and Manco
Speaker 3: and Ocean City. Charlie Manuel, Larry Boa. We're excited to
Speaker 3: have him, Larry Larry uh Jim asked Charlie earlier about
Speaker 3: Trey Turner at the plate. You know, defensively, he's had
Speaker 3: some struggles this year. You played the position as well
Speaker 3: as anybody in baseball history. Really, what do you think
Speaker 3: is kind of going on? What do you think he
Speaker 3: can do it in the second half to be a
Speaker 3: little bit more of that lockdown, shortstoff that you gotta have.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think I've seen him make great
Speaker 7: plays this year, but I've also seen him I think
Speaker 7: a lot of it comes to concentration and he's really
Speaker 7: upset with his offensive where he is right now, because
Speaker 7: this guy's hit three hundred almost every year, and I
Speaker 7: think sometimes I he's never said this to me, but
Speaker 7: this is just me.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes he might.
Speaker 7: Take a lasted bat out there, or baby a babe
Speaker 7: bases loaded and pop up a pitch that he thought
Speaker 7: and the next pitch next time up ground ball. Mentally,
Speaker 7: he's got the skills and the guy works. I don't
Speaker 7: want to hear people say he doesn't work. He takes
Speaker 7: his ground balls every single day. Last year I thought
Speaker 7: he did tremendous at short stock, and this year so
Speaker 7: far he's taking a step back. But I expect him
Speaker 7: to get hot. You know, people always getting on his defense.
Speaker 7: But I asked a couple of people yesterday, how many
Speaker 7: games do you think And I'll ask you guys, you
Speaker 7: guys watched all the game. How many games do you
Speaker 7: think we've lost because of his defense?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question, that's a good question.
Speaker 4: I mean he's put some he's put some heat on
Speaker 4: the on the starting pitchers and their pitch counts.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I agree that in particular with Chris Sanchez a few times.
Speaker 4: But as far as losing actually losing, maybe just.
Speaker 7: A couple that's That's that's the point I try to make.
Speaker 7: But you're right about the pitch count. But when they say, ah,
Speaker 7: he's lost a ton of he hasn't lost a ton
Speaker 7: of games. And he's gonna get hot offensively, and I
Speaker 7: think they go hand in hand once he's swinging the
Speaker 7: bat the way we know he's capable of. Last night,
Speaker 7: he got a home run late in the game. Hopefully
Speaker 7: it'll carry over tomorrow we have a day game against
Speaker 7: the Mets. But once this guy gets rolling, not only
Speaker 7: is he gonna it's gonna solid it by his defense,
Speaker 7: it's gonna make our lineup much better too. When he
Speaker 7: gets on, all kinds of stuff happens. And you know
Speaker 7: a lot of times when he's not hitting Schwarb and
Speaker 7: Harper coming up with nobody on there, but he's he's
Speaker 7: gonna hit. This guy can hit, and I think he's
Speaker 7: gonna have a good what we call second half. There
Speaker 7: is about what seventy games left I think he's gonna do.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to go down memory laying a little
Speaker 4: bit here, Charlie, and I want to talk to you
Speaker 4: about the uh your tenure as a manager here. I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously had an amazing run. What was your shit other
Speaker 4: than obviously winning the World Series in two thousand and eighties,
Speaker 4: what was like your favorite thing to do while you
Speaker 4: were managing?
Speaker 3: Because you've done.
Speaker 4: Everything, a lot of things in the game. You've been
Speaker 4: in Japan, you played in the major leagues, You've done
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of stuff. But as far as was
Speaker 4: your for some of your favorite moments over the last
Speaker 4: you know, over.
Speaker 8: Over your career, during the course of your career, I think, uh,
Speaker 8: first of all, I love the game. I loved the
Speaker 8: gamut the game ever since I was a little boy,
Speaker 8: and I've been very fortunate and lucky to be able
Speaker 8: to stay around any game one time. And uh, I
Speaker 8: the teacher, and I love to communicate with the players
Speaker 8: like most no and I like to like.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I.
Speaker 9: Want to be streaked enough we can be this one
Speaker 9: enough to handle the game and be more and be
Speaker 9: I like specialist professionally.
Speaker 3: I like this.
Speaker 9: I think if if you a good dis one person,
Speaker 9: then you when you have a good discipline, but at
Speaker 9: the play there in the field, when you play playing game,
Speaker 9: I think if you don't have no discipline, that you're
Speaker 9: gonna have a hard time I think that when you
Speaker 9: go go go up to play the hit, I think
Speaker 9: it's you be negative, not positive, and things in the
Speaker 9: run run of doing your mind like you you know,
Speaker 9: you hit yep and things, but you gotta be totally
Speaker 9: relaxed thinking what he's want to do. And actually, I
Speaker 9: think if you really get down on that, when you
Speaker 9: really concentration, who's pitching don't really matter.
Speaker 3: I totally agrees.
Speaker 10: So I'm just gonna say this, I'm gonna throw this
Speaker 10: commercial with that. I spent a lot of time with Charlie.
Speaker 10: Charlie was my hitting coach when I was playing for
Speaker 10: the Cleveland Indians at the time. I will tell you
Speaker 10: that Charlie Manuel was the hardest working hitting coach I've
Speaker 10: ever seen. He not only worked with me he was
Speaker 10: a terrible hitter, but he worked with guys like Manny
Speaker 10: fer As an album Bell and Jim told me and
Speaker 10: made them great rate hitters and in a lot of
Speaker 10: cases he helped make them Hall of famers. So I
Speaker 10: appreciate everything that you've done in the gage, Charlie, and
Speaker 10: what you did for me and those players as well.
Speaker 6: So it's Ruben and Charlie go way back. Ruben I
Speaker 6: think I quinn.
Speaker 9: I think I.
Speaker 6: Wool for guy.
Speaker 9: Everybody who play baseball, you know me. When I see
Speaker 9: supposed to guy, I'll say something. Micro pitcher mad.
Speaker 4: Hey, I used to be in the minor leagues, but
Speaker 4: I played in the minor leagues, said Charlie.
Speaker 11: Was a manager for a team in Colorado, trans who's
Speaker 11: a Triple A affiliate for the Cleveland Energy and Idiots.
Speaker 4: And when other guys on other teams on our team
Speaker 4: would hit home runs, he would stand up and cheer
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 6: This starting pitcher's hating it.
Speaker 3: Problem. Charlie.
Speaker 5: You used to have an expression coach killing before you
Speaker 5: work for the guy and he never gets any better.
Speaker 6: He's killer.
Speaker 3: That's what are you referring to? Jimmy, Who are you
Speaker 3: referring to? Ruben fair Well?
Speaker 9: The man in Cleveland? And somebody asked meant but flayer?
Speaker 9: And uh yeah, I didn't fall was down on my
Speaker 9: marred or didn't like him, but I don't well he worked.
Speaker 5: Hard personality, So let me ask you both know Ruben
Speaker 5: in a lot of different ways. But Larry, when you
Speaker 5: managed the ball ball called the assistant cham when you
Speaker 5: managed ball club, Charlie, he's the GM What is the
Speaker 5: interaction like between the manager and the GM in the
Speaker 5: front office at this time of year when you have
Speaker 5: a good team that has laws or holes and the
Speaker 5: trade deadline is approaching.
Speaker 6: Are you in there every day saying give me this,
Speaker 6: get me this.
Speaker 7: But what does uh I had when I managed, I
Speaker 7: had Eddie Eddie Way. I thought he did a great job.
Speaker 1: He was great with me.
Speaker 7: He would come down and we talked before every game.
Speaker 7: It wouldn't be a long chalk maybe five minutes. And
Speaker 7: then if we're on the road, he didn't go on
Speaker 7: every road trip. He would call and check in. But
Speaker 7: as far as what you need and everything, it has
Speaker 7: a lot to do with the money. Like when I
Speaker 7: had that team, they didn't have the payroll wasn't that big,
Speaker 7: and we were close in the three or four years.
Speaker 7: We needed a little jolt and we really didn't get it.
Speaker 7: One thing about John and the new owners. They have
Speaker 7: that that money and they know that this window here,
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it's closing, but it's it's starting to
Speaker 7: go the other way.
Speaker 3: And we got it.
Speaker 7: We got a good lineup, we got good starting pitching,
Speaker 7: and we got to fill in these voids here going
Speaker 7: down the stretch. There's no question about that. But you know,
Speaker 7: I think you don't have to ask the manager what
Speaker 7: they need. I think they're very knowledgeable up there. They
Speaker 7: know they know exactly what the Phillies need. Eddie knew
Speaker 7: what the Phillies needed, and he was honest with me.
Speaker 7: He says, we just we can't spend the money. Which, hey,
Speaker 7: as long as he was honest, that's all you can do.
Speaker 3: Well, Larry, Charlie, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3: We really appreciate a lot of fun. Hilly Legend's Legend, Charlie, Emanuel,
Speaker 3: Larry bo thanks so much, guys.
Speaker 6: That was awesome.
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Speaker 6: Oh Dunkling Riot.
Speaker 3: We got Brandon Duckworth coming up in a second. That
Speaker 3: was fun. I love talking, you know. It's a great scene, Charlie,
Speaker 3: and we're at.
Speaker 4: They are very very special human beings and Philly legends,
Speaker 4: and anytime we can spend some time with them and
Speaker 4: pick their brain is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And it is always awesome to see them walk into
Speaker 3: a room anywhere, really in the ballpark, light up people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they bring an energy, people get excited everywhere we go.
Speaker 3: They sit in the in the back of the press
Speaker 3: box a lot and people walk by.
Speaker 5: Wait, you know next month is Alumni Weekend.
Speaker 6: They'll get the two biggest chairs on Friday night.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is. It is pretty cool. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: a lot of fun to talk to those guys. You
Speaker 3: just see them down spring training obviously also a lot
Speaker 3: of fun. Brandon, can you hear us?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 11: We got Brandon Tuckworth joined the show with everybody what
Speaker 11: Philly's former Phillies picture and now he works Now he
Speaker 11: works as a scout for the Yankees.
Speaker 3: We have Brandon on last year? Was it? It was
Speaker 3: around this time last year, right right before the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: So you're kind of like our our trade deadline scout
Speaker 3: expert comes on.
Speaker 6: And gives us. He gives us all the secrets.
Speaker 4: I tell Cashman every year that he gives us all
Speaker 4: the secrets.
Speaker 10: What is uh?
Speaker 3: You know, what's this time? Like, I mean, it's busy
Speaker 3: time for you obviously, right, Yeah, crazy, it really is.
Speaker 12: It's crazy because they're telling us Okay, we want you
Speaker 12: to go to this place, and then if you only
Speaker 12: get a couple of games here and then you move
Speaker 12: to the next and then it just all depends because
Speaker 12: now with so many teams in it, right, you're literally
Speaker 12: a series away from being out.
Speaker 5: Of it, right, So, uh, tell us all the stuff
Speaker 5: the Yankees are going to do. We won't tell anybody.
Speaker 12: Well, I wish I knew yet, but you know, I
Speaker 12: think the biggest thing is anytime, like right now, we're
Speaker 12: missing Aeron dregs. It's that's you can't fill that hole, period.
Speaker 12: So we're waiting on him to come back. Stanton obviously
Speaker 12: another injury. Max freed, so we have our own internal guys.
Speaker 12: It's almost like a trade deadline deal coming back. So
Speaker 12: we just don't know when they're coming back. But I think,
Speaker 12: just like everybody in baseball, you need to strength from
Speaker 12: the back end of your bend. And we have a
Speaker 12: pretty good starting rotation, I would think, and now if
Speaker 12: we can go out there and do what a lot
Speaker 12: of other clubs are trying to do, it's I just
Speaker 12: have a bad feeling it's going to be an expensive,
Speaker 12: expensive trade deadline for whoever gets Legit back in bullpen.
Speaker 2: Guys or legit starters.
Speaker 4: Hey, so I'm kind of curious. I'm not sure how
Speaker 4: much of the American League that you've seen, but it's
Speaker 4: pretty obvious that the American League seems very, very weak,
Speaker 4: very very I don't know, I guess you can call
Speaker 4: it parody, but it looks like, you know, at least
Speaker 4: in the Central and in the West, it just seems
Speaker 4: like they're just not really great teams.
Speaker 12: Why do you think this is happening? And what is
Speaker 12: the trend? Like, what's what's going on with these clubs?
Speaker 12: Oh Man, what I think the big thing is is
Speaker 12: pitching to me is everything and the American League East,
Speaker 12: it just seems like all we do is beat up
Speaker 12: on each other and then out West, I haven't seen
Speaker 12: many of those teams. So the Angels have always had
Speaker 12: some talent, but we never played to expectations. Now, Oakland
Speaker 12: was always a team that would kind of moved team,
Speaker 12: you know, players around, and then Houston used to be
Speaker 12: legit and now you're starting to see some cracks in
Speaker 12: their armor. And you know, some older players that have
Speaker 12: been there for a long time, and Texas has some
Speaker 12: players and now they're starting to step back up. So
Speaker 12: you know, I don't know, it's just I just think
Speaker 12: it's one of those cyclical things where one league's going
Speaker 12: to be a little bit stronger than the next. And
Speaker 12: it just seems like being able to watch the National
Speaker 12: League East, it's just like, man, this was a juggernaut.
Speaker 12: When you have Atlanta of how they were in last year,
Speaker 12: they were injured, right, and now everybody's playing well. And
Speaker 12: then you've got Philly that has such a strong starting
Speaker 12: rotation and then established stars like you know, I know
Speaker 12: Trey Turner isn't playing up to his capabilities right now,
Speaker 12: but I like what was said. Sometimes guys bats, when
Speaker 12: they go dead a little bit, they're having some issues,
Speaker 12: other things kind of revert backward a little bit, but
Speaker 12: once they get going then they can really take off
Speaker 12: and carry a club.
Speaker 6: He was spot crappy and they got arms and they're hungry.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's it is a tough division.
Speaker 2: No, there's there's a lot of teams that have really
Speaker 2: stepped up this year.
Speaker 12: A lot of younger players, say, like the White Sox
Speaker 12: for example, they've just made strides and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, wow, maybe it was a little quicker than they anticipated.
Speaker 12: Lord of the same thing you know, down in Miami
Speaker 12: they have a lot of good young athletic kids and
Speaker 12: they're playing.
Speaker 2: They're playing for fun.
Speaker 12: You know, they're out there and you know they don't
Speaker 12: know what they don't know yet.
Speaker 4: Things you could beat, you think, and then a least well,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 12: That's a tough one because you look at the starting pitching.
Speaker 12: Whoever's starting pitching can roll them. I think, as we said,
Speaker 12: we've always said it. Rube said it earlier, Voe said it.
Speaker 12: Good starting pitching and good pitching in general will be
Speaker 12: good hitting.
Speaker 4: You see Toronto Bluejays because it seems like that's sort
Speaker 4: of a hangover year for these guys. They had an
Speaker 4: unbelievable season last year and a.
Speaker 6: Lot of guys.
Speaker 4: But is it a makeup thing, is it a hoosier thing?
Speaker 4: Is it an interesting By and large they have a
Speaker 4: some very similar team and it seemed to like add
Speaker 4: pitching to it. Why are the Toronto Blue Jays.
Speaker 3: Struggling so much?
Speaker 12: I think a lot of it is the hangover. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's a long season. None of them have ever played
Speaker 12: that long, so I think you don't have much of
Speaker 12: an offseason. You know, you only have a month month
Speaker 12: and a half and then you had some of their stars,
Speaker 12: like Gladdie Power isn't there this year, you know, for
Speaker 12: whatever reason, and he's he's bound to come out of it.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna last like that forever.
Speaker 12: And I just think it's one of those things that
Speaker 12: it's it's hard to go back to back to back,
Speaker 12: you know, back to back years, throwing up great numbers,
Speaker 12: throwing up great record. I think that's one of the
Speaker 12: biggest things, is the hangover from a long season and
Speaker 12: it went all seven games.
Speaker 3: Brand Jim and I when we were driving now and
Speaker 3: we were talking wondering about there's so many teams still
Speaker 3: in it, So how challenging is that going to be?
Speaker 3: Just in general, like maybe in your job, or just
Speaker 3: as a trade deadline approaches, trying to you know, trying
Speaker 3: to figure out who's going to be available, who might
Speaker 3: not be available, Who am I scout? Am I wasting
Speaker 3: time scouting this team? Or is that challenging there's so
Speaker 3: many teams still in it with just a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks to go before the trade deadline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely challenging.
Speaker 12: I mean our front office, will they all have the
Speaker 12: dialogue rhythm could you speak to this like you're going
Speaker 12: to have a dialogue with a lot of clubs and
Speaker 12: then you're like, Okay, who's most likely and here's the
Speaker 12: ones that are a little bit more likely. Maybe they're
Speaker 12: still in it, but then they kind of send us
Speaker 12: all out to those spots and then we go from
Speaker 12: there and then you know, it's it's all targets.
Speaker 3: So vo. When Larry was on here a few minutes ago,
Speaker 3: he said when he saw Aid Miller play, he said
Speaker 3: he reminded him of Connor Griffin a little bit. I'm
Speaker 3: wondering how many times you saw Aid and play and
Speaker 3: what your impressions were of him before he got hurt,
Speaker 3: because man, the Phillies need him to get healthy and
Speaker 3: be the guy at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a special player.
Speaker 12: He's got various tools, Like he has a chance to
Speaker 12: be a really good Major leaguer. For a long time,
Speaker 12: I saw him in a ball and then early on
Speaker 12: last year in DOUBLEA where he was making the adjustments,
Speaker 12: and then all of a sudden he started to make
Speaker 12: those adjustments. Yeah, but I think a lot of people
Speaker 12: didn't realize how good of a defender and how good
Speaker 12: of a runner he could these until really late last
Speaker 12: well last year for sure, because I think he stole
Speaker 12: like fifty something year.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
Speaker 12: Yeah, But the year before, I think a lot of
Speaker 12: people thought he was going to be a third baseman.
Speaker 12: And then I remember watching him and I'm like, this
Speaker 12: kid can play short We all were like wow, Like
Speaker 12: I think in the offseason he must have done some
Speaker 12: serious work because his first steps, instincts just improved, time clop,
Speaker 12: all of.
Speaker 2: That, and you know we left everybody as.
Speaker 4: Of every day measor league shortstop at this stage.
Speaker 3: Could he could health?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think help is first, no doubt.
Speaker 6: Have you seen the Phillies system or much of it
Speaker 6: this year?
Speaker 2: Not this year.
Speaker 12: I've seen a little bit of double A, but that
Speaker 12: was early on in the year because they've they've switched
Speaker 12: our coverages around. But you know, over the years, I've
Speaker 12: always had the Phillies you know, farm system all the
Speaker 12: way through. So you know, I think that's that's the
Speaker 12: big thing is anytime you're going into a trade deadline,
Speaker 12: the higher end prospects that you have, you're gonna you're
Speaker 12: gonna be able to talk to a lot more teams.
Speaker 5: Just run across cage wood in your Travels in the
Speaker 5: last couple of years. Or Marquez the uh, the young
Speaker 5: pitcher from Mexico that is really sort of exciting people
Speaker 5: in the system.
Speaker 2: I have not seen gage Wood yet.
Speaker 12: I saw Philly early, I mean renting early on in
Speaker 12: the year, and now it he's there, so I haven't
Speaker 12: seen them lately. I'll see them a little bit later on.
Speaker 12: And then I saw Marquez just real brief on the backfields.
Speaker 12: And then Florida Complex probably get a couple of years ago.
Speaker 12: I think it was last year. But you know, there's
Speaker 12: there's some arm talent there with those guys, know I
Speaker 12: do know that. And now it's a matter of you know,
Speaker 12: what are you trying to go after and what are you.
Speaker 2: Willing to give up?
Speaker 12: Because like I said, it's going to be it's gonna
Speaker 12: cost a lot this year because so many teams are
Speaker 12: in it. And if there's only five or six teams
Speaker 12: that truly have what people want, they can almost name
Speaker 12: the price, yeap.
Speaker 3: That is going to be the challenge. I mean, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Phillies daviously needs some back end bullpen. What about
Speaker 3: Andrew Painter, I mean you've seen him last Do you
Speaker 3: have any theories or thoughts on kind of what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you just before his injury. I saw the
Speaker 4: chance to see him before his injury.
Speaker 12: Only before the injury, right and everything, because that was
Speaker 12: when him and Mick Abel were coming through, right, and
Speaker 12: Abel had a little different fastball than him, but he
Speaker 12: was more polished the delivery and just the consistency. And
Speaker 12: then I saw him in spring, and then I saw
Speaker 12: his first start of the year and I'm like, Okay, hey,
Speaker 12: he's on his way. And then I haven't seen him since,
Speaker 12: so you know, I know he's been roughed up.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, coming back.
Speaker 12: From an injury like he had and last year only
Speaker 12: having that little bit of time, and then to be
Speaker 12: thrust right into a big league's like, that's hard to do,
Speaker 12: especially when you get a limited amount of time, and
Speaker 12: whether it's Double A or Triple A, and now you're
Speaker 12: expected to make all these adjustments at the major league level.
Speaker 2: It's hard to learn at the major league level.
Speaker 6: Brandon obviously, pitch through the Phillies, pitch the Asstros, and
Speaker 6: now you see baseball every day as the scouts for
Speaker 6: the Yankees. How much has pitching changed since you signed
Speaker 6: your first pro contract?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 12: It's it's changed tremendously, you know, with all the new things,
Speaker 12: all the new data sets, you know, all the technology
Speaker 12: that we have. Now, now you can go in and say, oh, okay,
Speaker 12: now I understand why my stuff plays a certain way.
Speaker 12: I can tweak this. I can make different shapes. I
Speaker 12: probably have to shape my breaking ball a little bit different. Okay,
Speaker 12: the fastball shaping isn't great. Now I'm gonna well, I'm
Speaker 12: going to make some adjustments on whether it's grift pressures,
Speaker 12: whatever it may be, to try to get different movement
Speaker 12: profiles and characteristics that played much better.
Speaker 2: So we can actually validate those things now.
Speaker 12: Whereas before you're like, hey it looks like this or
Speaker 12: the feel was a thing, and then you relied heavily
Speaker 12: on your catcher or say in spring training, when we
Speaker 12: would go in and we'd talk to the hitters, say hey,
Speaker 12: what is it doing.
Speaker 2: What does this look like?
Speaker 12: How's it coming out? Is it popping out of my hand?
Speaker 12: Or can you see a different spin. So we were
Speaker 12: relying upon feedback from not only your teammates, but you know,
Speaker 12: especially in spring training, but the catchers that are with
Speaker 12: you and like, hey, this looks a little different. It's
Speaker 12: coming out of your hand a little differently. So they
Speaker 12: were no, they were like another pitching pokes. Now you
Speaker 12: have all the instant metrics that we can look at,
Speaker 12: but I think sometimes that gets in the way because
Speaker 12: so many guys are doing those in the bullpens.
Speaker 2: You can't sit and.
Speaker 12: Look at this foeboard to say, oh, that one had
Speaker 12: this much movement profile or that. I think sometimes pitching
Speaker 12: is lost feel and everything's about power power power, whether
Speaker 12: it's pitching, whether it's hitting. So like on the hitting side,
Speaker 12: you're seeing a lot of guys are trying to launch everything.
Speaker 12: Everything's in a swing rather thank you know, as we
Speaker 12: watched the World or the All Star Game, it was
Speaker 12: b swings that ended up winning the game. Short up, boom,
Speaker 12: let's stay up the middle, right.
Speaker 4: I think, why do you think that the hitting so
Speaker 4: far behind the pitching as far as making adjustments? Why
Speaker 4: hasn't Why haven't more teams gotten back to that, because
Speaker 4: that's something that I just quite don't quite understand. Why
Speaker 4: is why are people still accepting on the offensive side
Speaker 4: is swing and miss?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 12: I think everybody is kind of one of those things
Speaker 12: where they're trying to hit the home run because that
Speaker 12: equates more rather than I don't think they can quantify
Speaker 12: it as much like, Okay, hey he moved them over,
Speaker 12: but yeah, but he just hit a ball into the gap.
Speaker 2: That's another run.
Speaker 12: Whereas it's the instant gratification you see the home run.
Speaker 12: It's more exciting. You know, you can hit a three
Speaker 12: run homer, but that doesn't win in playoffs, right, It
Speaker 12: really doesn't like you can have the most powerful lineup,
Speaker 12: but usually powerful lineups have bigger holes.
Speaker 1: Correct right the exactly now.
Speaker 12: And then on the pitching side, guys have just such
Speaker 12: tremendous stuff and they're trying to pitch at the top
Speaker 12: of the zone because the swings have changed.
Speaker 2: And all those uphill pass guys.
Speaker 12: I've just found it watching these guys that dump the
Speaker 12: back shoulder and everything's going up uphill.
Speaker 2: They can't make adjustments.
Speaker 12: And so when guys are throwing ninety six to one hundred,
Speaker 12: especially out of a pen, they're just riding at at
Speaker 12: the top way and we see so much they're.
Speaker 4: Hoping it gets to their barrel.
Speaker 12: They're hoping for a mistake down in the zone. In
Speaker 12: as we call them, cripple pitch hitters.
Speaker 5: When you're pitch have been what two guys in a
Speaker 5: bullpen that's through ninety six plus? Oh yeah, and now
Speaker 5: it's eight deep ninety six clus.
Speaker 12: You got that plus lineups. I don't remember seeing guys
Speaker 12: hitting under two sixty. It was two sixty to three thirty,
Speaker 12: and they all had thirty to forty homers on top
Speaker 12: of them. You know, like I face some of those lineups,
Speaker 12: Like you know, Ash, there were some lineups, you know,
Speaker 12: say an old Atlanta Braves lineup, you have some of
Speaker 12: those guys, or a Yankees lineup back in the day,
Speaker 12: or the old Oakland A's where they would grind at bats.
Speaker 12: I don't think people grind the at bats as much,
Speaker 12: but guys have better stuff that can live in the
Speaker 12: zone a little bit more consistently.
Speaker 3: Also, can you imagine if Bobby Brio came up and
Speaker 3: played today, he'd be like a six hundred million dollar player,
Speaker 3: seven hundred million dollar player, n Ie coming up to
Speaker 3: back then he was kind of unappreciated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in my opinion anyway, he was unappreciated.
Speaker 3: But your son's here, is he a Phillies fan or
Speaker 3: a Yankees fans? He's like, I got a roof of
Speaker 3: the Yankees because dad watched out the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Now if we're in Yankee Stadium, he's got to be
Speaker 2: a you.
Speaker 3: Okay, there go in Philly.
Speaker 1: We always have an allegiance to Philly for me.
Speaker 2: Playing here, you know, we live in the area and
Speaker 2: it's phenomenal. The fan base is great.
Speaker 12: You know, I don't think you'll ever see more passionate fans.
Speaker 12: And you could see that over the All Star weekend
Speaker 12: when you knowing people that they they cheered were true
Speaker 12: Philadelphians or the Phillies.
Speaker 3: Guys, it was McGonagall, Trout and it Phillies and everybody else.
Speaker 3: Can you know, everybody's got to go to hell. The
Speaker 3: blo Birds were out, that was for sure. That was awesome. Well, Brandon,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us. I appreciate Brandon duck
Speaker 3: Rag everybody. We're decided. Thanks Brandon. Well, Tom McCarthy's gonna
Speaker 3: join us in a second. We are alive at Manco
Speaker 3: and Manco in Ocean City, New Jersey. Uh, Ruben, we're
Speaker 3: gonna we're walking on here with some pizzas. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and rub my favorite pizza. Is it called the Ruben?
Speaker 3: Is it really called official? Quite yet, haven't made it
Speaker 3: official yet.
Speaker 4: Okay, got it talking to Chuck about the possibility. You know,
Speaker 4: I got to talk to him. Money, you know, a
Speaker 4: little residual piece on that.
Speaker 3: I get it anyway.
Speaker 4: Yes, the uh it's the white well what's that? It's
Speaker 4: a white chicken broccoli.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's yeah, it's coming up. We're gonna have you on.
Speaker 6: I have Prussia.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Speaking of residuals, but we would get t
Speaker 3: Mac hooked up. Do you get residuals for the Goldbergs?
Speaker 3: Your two appearances on Goldberg noween cents a month? Is
Speaker 3: that for real? I've always wanted to ask you that,
Speaker 3: like ten.
Speaker 4: Cents to about four dollars a month.
Speaker 3: Really from doing the Goldbergs.
Speaker 4: That's great because sometimes I get like a because I'm
Speaker 4: part of the sag after whatever. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 4: get a little residual piece and sometimes I deposit those,
Speaker 4: you know, one dollar. Sometimes I don't.
Speaker 3: You played a very convincing Ruben Tomorrow Senior. I will
Speaker 3: say that I'm trying.
Speaker 6: To I get residuals from the flint Stills Barnie Rowe.
Speaker 3: People don't know, yeah, we A lot of people call
Speaker 3: him Rubbles. Have you ever seen gym on the on
Speaker 3: the concourse. A little lot of you gets a lot
Speaker 3: of Stansbury's. That's an old story. Oh that was a
Speaker 3: great We got Tom McCarthy, Hey, Tom McCarthy.
Speaker 6: Coming on the Police show.
Speaker 1: My pleasure.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: You're not a good listener. If I'm gonna me your
Speaker 1: boss true for you. Yeah, it is in a pizza
Speaker 1: place at Manco Manco's with Jim Salisbury Stansbury.
Speaker 7: Tea.
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy the All Star Week?
Speaker 1: I did. I thought it was awesome. I thought everything
Speaker 1: I loved, how good, how great the city looked. I
Speaker 1: really did. I loved everything about that. I thought the
Speaker 1: stadium looked great. I read somewhere that it's aged beautifully,
Speaker 1: and it has aged beautifully. I thought Tyler Kettner's story
Speaker 1: about David Montgomery was right on. But that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that Fox acknowledged David as much as they did,
Speaker 1: And I think that's a credit to the commissioner and
Speaker 1: to Chuck or as you know, kind of you know,
Speaker 1: laid that groundwork. So I think all everything that we
Speaker 1: always thought was great about the city and about the stadium,
Speaker 1: I think was was on display.
Speaker 6: Uh done.
Speaker 4: Now at the Stellar Games, are there any particular call
Speaker 4: for chig Mate and career that stand out more than
Speaker 4: the moments?
Speaker 6: You've seen so many different moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's been the.
Speaker 4: Colest like maybe top four or five moments that you've
Speaker 4: had to all a little of your career.
Speaker 1: Well, Halliday's Perfect Game is number one because that was
Speaker 1: that was such an adrenaline rush to do that. And
Speaker 1: it sounds strange to say it, but when he did it,
Speaker 1: we didn't really have access to all the information that
Speaker 1: we have now from a computer standpoint, so everything was
Speaker 1: sort of filtered through Chris Wheeler's mind in all honesty
Speaker 1: as far as the history of the game goes, So
Speaker 1: we were kind of just going from there. But that,
Speaker 1: to me, that was one of the greatest opportunities as
Speaker 1: a broadcaster to do. And then the other game, even
Speaker 1: though I wasn't on the call, I was on the
Speaker 1: call was two thousand and eight when the Phillies clinched
Speaker 1: the divisional crown. I was doing the game on Fox,
Speaker 1: but they sent me down to the clubhouse to do
Speaker 1: the interviews. So then Timmy did play by play Mcarver
Speaker 1: of the Last Out. Now I would have loved to
Speaker 1: have called the double play between Rollins and Utley and Howard,
Speaker 1: but it was Mcarver that did it. But the moment
Speaker 1: was truly unbelievable to be part of. It, really was
Speaker 1: truly unbelievable to be farder. And then you know, there's
Speaker 1: so many of them that in reality I probably have
Speaker 1: forgotten more than I can remember. But the Harper Grand
Speaker 1: Slam against the Cubs when the Phillies were just awful,
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool because it was it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a game winning ground slaves and to watch
Speaker 1: him run around the bases was pretty neat.
Speaker 4: On air. When Derrek Hill made an amazing catch in
Speaker 4: New York, tell me about that catch that he made
Speaker 4: in the first.
Speaker 1: Inning, Well, that was that is one of those where
Speaker 1: you always, like every game, you have to realize that
Speaker 1: something special can happen, and it can happen in the
Speaker 1: first inning. You know, to see him do that and
Speaker 1: you can see it sort of unfolding. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like his catch the other day in Detroit where
Speaker 1: he made the diving play in the gap in left
Speaker 1: center field.
Speaker 4: So to me, that was.
Speaker 1: A great I thought it was a great education for
Speaker 1: any broadcaster to be ready at all times because it
Speaker 1: was so early in the game, But to watch it unfold,
Speaker 1: it was pretty neat.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: It was pretty neat, right stumped in the press box
Speaker 5: and watching him close in on that ball and he's
Speaker 5: probably like fifty feet away, and I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 5: I think he's.
Speaker 6: Going to get that ball.
Speaker 1: The way his stride was and everything. I agree with
Speaker 1: you on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, second half started on Thursday night, Tom. What has you,
Speaker 3: I guess excited or optimistic about the Phillies going to
Speaker 3: these final sixty plus games or so whatever the number is.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is the big three at
Speaker 1: the top of the rotation, honestly, because I think that
Speaker 1: they are doing something collectively that we haven't seen probably
Speaker 1: since Halladay Lee Hammills that group there, and it may
Speaker 1: even exceed that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The the er for Zach Wheeler before the All Star
Speaker 1: break is second in Phillies franchise history, and I think
Speaker 1: that he has knocked on the cy Young door and
Speaker 1: it could be a special second half for him individually.
Speaker 3: I was joking the other day, you know, because Zach
Speaker 3: obviously took it personally. When a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and Don took him out of the game, went out
Speaker 3: away from the wind and no obviously getting the All
Speaker 3: Star snub. I said, JT's just got to tell him
Speaker 3: in the bullpen before every game you realize you're not
Speaker 3: an All Star, right, realize they're not good. Get him
Speaker 3: nice and angry, get him lathered up, get him angry,
Speaker 3: and have him go out.
Speaker 1: I believe he's one of the truly great stories in
Speaker 1: Philly's history. I do the ascension of Zach Willard coming here.
Speaker 5: It changed his whole career. He's just taking it to
Speaker 5: a whole differentvel. Do you notice the difference in him
Speaker 5: this year. Yes.
Speaker 1: So I have always felt, who's one of the better
Speaker 1: people I've met in this game. He is a He's
Speaker 1: an everyman person. They'll have a conversation about Chick fil A,
Speaker 1: he'll have a conversation about Mike and Ike's, and he'll
Speaker 1: have a deep conversation about baseball.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you can speak to him kind of like you
Speaker 1: could speak to Greg Maddox the day of the game.
Speaker 1: It's no big deal, Like he's out in the dugout
Speaker 1: the whole time. But I have noticed an even better
Speaker 1: appreciation of everything around the game this year, and I
Speaker 1: think it's. Uh, I think it's enlightening for a lot
Speaker 1: of people. This is no doubt. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think that's exactly. I think he thought his career was
Speaker 1: over and he would not be able to come from behind.
Speaker 5: Had him on in Cincinnati the other night after the game, right, yes,
Speaker 5: and having this great interview with him, and I'm like.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they would do this four years ago.
Speaker 6: He will.
Speaker 1: He would normally do it if he completed the game,
Speaker 1: but he would not normally do it if it was
Speaker 1: seven innings. He would come back out. And I know that,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: So were you were you stunned him and he came
Speaker 3: back up?
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, No, I knew that he had Oh
Speaker 1: he had something.
Speaker 3: To say, that's right. That was after the All Star snubbs.
Speaker 1: I knew that there was on his mind.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, but I did discuss it with somebody else.
Speaker 4: Were you wondering what how exactly far he would go
Speaker 4: and what he would say?
Speaker 1: He actually knew that he would keep it within you know,
Speaker 1: within a within reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I agree with you, Tom. I
Speaker 3: think he's a lot of fun to talk through. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was a couple a couple of years ago before
Speaker 3: I think the NLDS against the Braves. I'm in the
Speaker 3: dugout and he comes down and he just starts talking
Speaker 3: to me. I'm like, oh God, I hope no one
Speaker 3: sees this if the great is bad, because they're gonna
Speaker 3: blame me for talking to the starting pitcher. But obviously
Speaker 3: he out and pitched well. But he is that type
Speaker 3: of guy. He's not don't look at me, don't talk
Speaker 3: to me before I pitch. Yeah. I've had a few
Speaker 3: fast food conversations with them over the years.
Speaker 1: And you need to have exact change if you want
Speaker 1: to buy snacks from his locker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this question to.
Speaker 4: Tom, because you have relationships, and you built relationships with
Speaker 4: a lot of people in the game, and a lot
Speaker 4: of players in the game. There are there a couple
Speaker 4: of players.
Speaker 10: Are a player that Steel like you have like a
Speaker 10: really cool connection with that people would not know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's one of them, honestly, Zach, I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks I've run into people from
Speaker 1: my days in Trenton. Okay, you know, and really I
Speaker 1: ran into You'll remember this one. Clyde pork Chop Hugh
Speaker 1: the other day. He's Tom Gordon's cousin, so he was
Speaker 1: at the game the other day.
Speaker 6: How about them?
Speaker 1: So for me, I try, I still try to keep
Speaker 1: in touch with as many players as I possibly can,
Speaker 1: just to say, hey, how's it going, or Hey, what
Speaker 1: did you think of this? Because I do think their
Speaker 1: perspective is really cool to know those things.
Speaker 5: So, Tommy, I want to ask you, because you are
Speaker 5: a keen observer of this ball, give me the top
Speaker 5: three reasons for the turnarofs of nine to nineteen to
Speaker 5: where they are now, and you know, give me your
Speaker 5: opinions on all of it, because opinions vary on this topic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what spring sprung boards this team?
Speaker 1: I believe what strongboard this team was getting rid of
Speaker 1: the manager that shouldn't that they should have still they
Speaker 1: should still have. Don's been great, But I think these
Speaker 1: players were like, ooh, wait a minute, we got to
Speaker 1: turn this on because in reality, this could change the
Speaker 1: whole landscape of our clubhouse if we don't turn it around.
Speaker 1: And I think that it doesn't matter how old we are.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it matters how accomplished
Speaker 1: we are that every once in a while we need
Speaker 1: to get a right hook to the jaw. And I
Speaker 1: do believe that that may have been one of the
Speaker 1: I think we all thought this team was going to
Speaker 1: play well now. I think they've exceeded expectations based on
Speaker 1: nine to nineteen, but they haven't exceeded expectations based on
Speaker 1: zero and zero in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, just that that shock to
Speaker 3: the system really got them gone. And you hear players
Speaker 3: say there's really not that much difference with Don and Rob.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you don't hear anybody like, well, this
Speaker 3: is he's given us a kick in the butt that
Speaker 3: we didn't get before. It's they're kind of saying that,
Speaker 3: you're kind of thing.
Speaker 4: That s bigically, bakeup wise, similar.
Speaker 1: Very similar. I think they're cut from the Joe Tory cloth.
Speaker 1: I will say there's a couple of things that I've
Speaker 1: noticed that are different. Don does handle the bullpen differently
Speaker 1: than Rob does. Guys get up and get heated and
Speaker 1: don't come into the game. I'm not saying there's anything
Speaker 1: wrong with that. Rob would never normally do that. If
Speaker 1: you get up, you're coming into the ball game. I
Speaker 1: think that's a little different. I do think one thing
Speaker 1: that both of them are, and I think maybe Don
Speaker 1: is exceedingly this is their frank, Like they will say
Speaker 1: what is on their mind, and he'll do it when
Speaker 1: he discusses things with you guys too.
Speaker 6: He doesn't sugarcoat, he doesn't come off the top rope.
Speaker 4: No no, no.
Speaker 6: But he also is, like you said, he's frank.
Speaker 3: Did you say that for Ed? Is that why he
Speaker 3: says that?
Speaker 6: I also think another reason is what you know?
Speaker 4: You make a trade the worst time one of mine dies,
Speaker 4: the worst time on of my all.
Speaker 5: That old Jimmy, Well you can go you you trade
Speaker 5: away Taiwan Walker and acquired Zach Wheel or.
Speaker 6: That's a pretty fit modal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's a good move.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm all discompopulated with my microphone here.
Speaker 1: What's the first time you've ever in to Michael, It
Speaker 1: is the first one time I've used one like this.
Speaker 4: Well, we're very we're very advanced here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I I think my ears are a
Speaker 1: bit too big for this thing. Yeah, I do your
Speaker 1: ears keep growing as you get.
Speaker 3: Older and a little colder.
Speaker 1: You do get colder.
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Speaker 3: Now we're gonna have Chuck Bangle, the co owner of
Speaker 3: Manco and Manco Pizza, is gonna come on the show
Speaker 3: and join us. Just there's seventieth anniversary as soon.
Speaker 6: Making making friends and kissing babies.
Speaker 3: It's fun having and we had a lot of fun
Speaker 3: today so far. Larry Charlie Brandon, t mac Parnie Rubbles
Speaker 3: showed up, Barney Rubbles here we got it all going on.
Speaker 3: All right, here's Chuck, Chuck, the man, the myth, the legend.
Speaker 6: Man who makes this happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's better.
Speaker 4: Mary heious she's here, that Mary's here, excited about that.
Speaker 4: She's the one who keeps him in lying. Thank god, Chuck.
Speaker 3: Enjoying yourself today.
Speaker 13: Having a great time. Absolutely, we appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 13: And Charlie is happy, and t Mac and Dave Buck.
Speaker 13: Everybody's a great time.
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun. We're really proud to
Speaker 3: be part of the show. Yeah, well we're we're we
Speaker 3: We love having you guys as as a partner of
Speaker 3: the Philly Show. It's been an awesome partnership. We really
Speaker 3: we enjoy getting to know you guys and and coming
Speaker 3: down here. This is our second time down here. It's
Speaker 3: been it's been a lot of fun. Yeah, so my
Speaker 3: whole life.
Speaker 13: Yeah so I used to listen to the Phillies games
Speaker 13: in my bed as a kid under the sheets. When
Speaker 13: it transmits to radio, oh yeah, yeah, one of them,
Speaker 13: I would speak it. My parents would tell me to
Speaker 13: turn off the radio.
Speaker 4: What was what was the first voice? Who was the
Speaker 4: first was that?
Speaker 12: Who was that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 13: One of those guys, I was a voice Whitey of course, Harry.
Speaker 13: Uh that might have been somebody to be for a
Speaker 13: Whitey Ashburns. I just don't remember who Bill Campbell. Yes,
Speaker 13: I was set outside of my grandfather when he was alive.
Speaker 13: And we will listen on the radio as well. Off
Speaker 13: all Philly Sports.
Speaker 3: Chuck All Star Week this week at Citizens Bank Park?
Speaker 13: Was it?
Speaker 3: Was it any different for you and Manco and Manco
Speaker 3: at the ballpark? I mean it was crazier about the same,
Speaker 3: I mean crazier. It was exciting.
Speaker 13: Are We rolled out a food truck on Wednesday and
Speaker 13: made his debut brand new really citizens Bank Way. He
Speaker 13: was part of the fan fest and the response to
Speaker 13: it was fabulous. Now the food truck's available for parties
Speaker 13: and corporate events. We can come right to your house.
Speaker 6: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: What yeah? Now that I like?
Speaker 6: That is great?
Speaker 3: A Maco Bank of food truck.
Speaker 6: You can't come to us, will come to you just pizza.
Speaker 6: Can you give wings and stuff?
Speaker 3: The next food truck will have the wing contenders. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean tell you.
Speaker 4: This because I have a lot of people obviously come
Speaker 4: from out out of town.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and they didn't really know that much about Banco
Speaker 10: Maco pizza because they're not vocal folks.
Speaker 4: I had so many people come to me to go, dude,
Speaker 4: that mizza was awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm curious.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying that because you're one of our I've
Speaker 10: actually had people come through us, and I had people
Speaker 10: when I was walking through uh the village and seeing
Speaker 10: people from all types of different places, from different places,
Speaker 10: and they were saying it was pizza.
Speaker 4: So that's congratulations.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 13: There is also a special year for us. This is
Speaker 13: our seventieth theory business. So h we're going I have
Speaker 13: a big party next month to celebrate that. But the
Speaker 13: All Star week was fabulous. That was my first All
Speaker 13: Star game ever. Okay, being at one watching on television
Speaker 13: and being there to experience the whole thing, the pomp
Speaker 13: and circumstance, all the pageant three was just great.
Speaker 4: Did you get watching like the Philly fans? I mean,
Speaker 4: because I think the Philly fans showed down. I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot of great things about us.
Speaker 13: You know that the ballpark, watching the Philly fans here
Speaker 13: was exciting, and like Tom McCarthy said, seeing the city
Speaker 13: come alive and decorate and looking great was absolutely one
Speaker 13: of the best parts.
Speaker 3: So who are you booing? If you find the crowd?
Speaker 3: Who which players? Anybody not in the Phillies uniform? Pretty
Speaker 3: much it was like every like we said this earlier,
Speaker 3: is everybody other than like Mike Trout and Kevin McGonagall,
Speaker 3: you know, Nick krat guess as well, was that I
Speaker 3: went to the dirty that that was exciting. I kind
Speaker 3: of like the old format better though. It's exciting. Well,
Speaker 3: you and Bryce Harper. Bryce also likes the clock. He says, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like the clock. But it's a shame that Kyle
Speaker 3: couldn't win it at home. But I think it was ragged,
Speaker 3: but that's my opinion. Your favorite pizza here, white broccoli. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have broccoli with chicken, and I like white chicken.
Speaker 3: I like Reuven. We have that in the background, freshly
Speaker 3: made for you, waiting to bring it out. Yes. I
Speaker 3: can't thank you guys enough. It's been an awesome, awesome day. Again.
Speaker 13: Let's do it again. Great, great fans. Like to thank
Speaker 13: the fans are coming, Yes, like to thank Cindy Webster.
Speaker 3: Yes, Cindy's Charlie and Larry and he's actually taking a picture.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 13: You believe that he's actually working today. It was, it's
Speaker 13: been great white broccoli playe say this is this.
Speaker 3: Is like gorgeous pizza.
Speaker 5: You can eat both of these probably right, probably for
Speaker 5: for an appetizer.
Speaker 3: That is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 13: That's pretty, that's gorgeous. But there shi better pizza. That's
Speaker 13: the Rubin right there, the moro. You can crush it.
Speaker 3: Go in, go in, deep, go deep, Chuck, So what's
Speaker 3: up in Chucks? What's the You said you have a
Speaker 3: party next month to celebrate seven Say that again. You
Speaker 3: have a party next month, seventieth anniversary of Mayga to Mecca.
Speaker 3: Like what do you have going on? Like? What for
Speaker 3: people that want to come down or check it out?
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a gala at the Red carporate event.
Speaker 13: We have some special guests, including the Philly fanatic Scott
Speaker 13: Palmer is going to be r mc Okay, yeah, matter
Speaker 13: of fact, all you guys received an invitation. I know
Speaker 13: Reuben can't make any spalling games in Miami, Miami. You're
Speaker 13: in Miami, in Miami, well, so well have another one, yes,
Speaker 13: another one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, seventy five years just for you guys. That's gonna
Speaker 3: be pretty exciting, is that It's been a fun year
Speaker 3: for you, a great year. Yeah, I'm seeing Philly's partner
Speaker 3: and part of your show. Just all makes it worthwhile,
Speaker 3: very special. I mean I've told you this too, Chuck,
Speaker 3: is that every time my kids come to a game,
Speaker 3: I go, what do you want to get? They go
Speaker 3: like Dad, yeah, dad, why are you even know? They
Speaker 3: go straight to the Manco, the Manco station. They get
Speaker 3: the plane cheese and they crush it every single time.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite beachers from when you talk about
Speaker 4: your best of the best, you have that one feature
Speaker 4: at least once a week, and it's actually more fun
Speaker 4: pieces of it because Jim especially has talked about, you know,
Speaker 4: the big slice, the small slice, you get a little.
Speaker 5: Snice, you get a big slice. Yes, bread and barter
Speaker 5: Bred and marsh wins it. We worry about getting Carton's beard. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: we love, we love having you on, Chuck. Thanks a lot,
Speaker 5: you guys.
Speaker 3: Thanks phenomenal.
Speaker 6: I don't have enough superlatives.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm killing it, Thanks gentlemen.
Speaker 6: Enjoy well, Chuck whistle. I'm not even hurry. I can
Speaker 6: eat that whole whistle.
Speaker 3: Oh well, guys, we had a lot of We had
Speaker 3: a great time. Thanks for everybody for coming out to
Speaker 3: Manco and Manco and Ocean City. Thanks everybody, Thank you
Speaker 3: having now. Thanks to Lily Bowa, thank you to Charlie Manuel,
Speaker 3: Thank you to Brendan duck Worthy, takes Atom McCarthy. Thanks
Speaker 3: to Chuck and everybody here in Manca for making this
Speaker 3: fill at home. Thanks for the partnership. We love having
Speaker 3: you a part of the Philly Show team. Right back,
Speaker 3: and Philly Show. Thanks some job guys, terror so great Webster,
Speaker 3: absolutely all right, Philly Show guys, We're gonna crush some pizza.
Speaker 3: Philly Show will be next week.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
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