WEBVTT - Ep. 203: Thumbs Up or Down on 2019 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening Hunt podcast, 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.440 you can't predict anything presented by on x Hunt creators 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.120 are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.960 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:36.280 nor where you stand with on x okay before we start. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.480 This is the This is the biggest thing to happen 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.959 since the uh Bismith shock, ELI with the cotton gent 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.640 and on like since opening hostilities of the French and 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.240 Indian War. This is the biggest thing to happen. Um 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.080 going on going on tour called met Eat off the 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:05.000 air me Steve cal Kel asked me and and Yanni 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.840 and friends are going on on our tour and you'll 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.160 be able to see and hear things that you will 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.520 not be able to see in here anywhere else. We 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.960 got eleven cities. Me and Calorie take turns name in 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:27.000 the cities. I'll start San Francisco, Portland's, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis, Chicago, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.200 d C, Pittsburgh. Tickets go on sale Friday, January seventeen, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:37.920 but are available exclusively to the mediator community beginning January 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.240 at ten am local venue times, So in your venue 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.679 whatever becomes ten am for you. You go on our site, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.720 the me eater dot Com, go to the live events 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.120 and you'll find your venue and you use the promo 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.200 code mugs and then you get tickets before they go 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.920 on just general national sale. We're also gonna have an 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.680 exclusive meat and greet where we take some photos, signed 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.840 some stuff, signed books. That's available for v i P 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.679 ticket holders. There's only sixty five those v i P 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.079 tickets per show, so get on that. But Meat Eater 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.400 off the air, come seeing meet me, Yanni o Cal 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.440 we're thinking about having a thing at the show. When 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.600 I when I was a kid and you went to 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.880 a wedding, they had to think called the dollar dance, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.680 and you would come and pay a buck and dance 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.040 with if it was a dude, I think a word 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.000 like this. You put throw a dollar in and it's 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.760 like I think it was like a dude, you dance 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.640 with the bride. It's called the dollar dance. It's a 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.160 big part of every wedding. You put in a buck 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.280 or five bucks or something dance at the bride. You know, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.400 do you not know what I'm talking about. Our producer 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.120 Crint Crin, do you understand what I'm talking about? A 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.840 dollar dance. Have you been to a wedding with a 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.200 dollar dance? I have not no, but I'm I'm getting 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.080 like a picture in my mind. There's a part of 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.399 this thing. Everybody's a little looped up. That's a youth 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:06.840 missen for drinking and they, uh, it's a big part 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.160 of the night. Everybody lines up. It's a way to 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.480 raise money for the bride and groom to buy the house. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.000 Everybody lines up and you throw a dollar into a 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.320 can and you get a very very short dance with 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.360 the bride or I think a shot. How short it 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.960 depends on the line. Quick dance would be like a 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.240 lot of people per song. Yeah, so like a song, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.600 the bride might dance with ten people who are all 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.160 throwing in money to raise money for the couple. Or 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:33.760 I think you get a shot. Or it was like 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.120 ladies get a shot, dude. Either way, you know what 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:41.440 I'm saying. The dollar dance, got it? Yeah, we think 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.840 about having the thing um dollar dance with cal for 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.480 twenty bucks, but it all goes to conservation. I want 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.720 to end the I want to end the off the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.640 air live shows where you can either leave or do 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.480 a dollar dance with Cal for twenty bucks. Go go 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.200 get your tickets for this. The most important part it 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.360 will be uh hoping that when a dance with you're 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:10.160 buying a dancer cow for bucks. I've already got already 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.040 got the playlist in my head. We're gonna have a 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.200 spotlight shining down on cow. You can whisper in my 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.600 ear all the things I'm getting wrong, but whisper loudly 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.800 because I'm down. Yeah, and I was thinking about ladies 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:27.920 get a kiss for an extra five, so much money 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.520 for conservation. But what if they're like a thousand people? 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.719 Then if it gets that bad, me and yeah, and 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.880 you'll jump in and we'll start dancing with people too. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.240 If but but my wife pointed out that no one's 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.720 gonna want to dance with me. You either gonna want 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.839 to dance the cow. But if someone was like, you 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.479 know it needed to get out of there because babysit 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.320 or whatever, they just needed to dance. They didn't care 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.279 who they got it from. I'll give a kiss, Okay. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.960 It will be a great opportunity to come down and 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.600 have fun with a bunch of outdoors folks. Meat Eater 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:03.520 off the Air Levin Cities. Tickets go on sale Friday, January. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.480 That's by just next the exclusive thing on our own website, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.599 The mediator dot Com. Promo code mugs ten am. Your 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:18.120 time off there, folks, dancer cow. Okay, we're joined by 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.960 very special guests with Fosburg second every time on the show. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.359 Good to be here. The first time we did what 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.280 we're gonna do right now. We did like a conservation 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:33.240 round up to the eastern shore. And now that we're 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.120 kind of like the dust is settling. I mean there's 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.839 a new dust to stir, but the dust is settling 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.359 from teen and we can review like the lay of 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.520 the land. Yeah, that sounds great. Uh, first we gotta 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.560 take care of something. Oh and uh, we need to 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:54.000 say yeah, he's gone well with Fossburg CEO. You know, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.120 I said that the first time, but still hadn't done 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:02.599 his you know, um CEO of Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:07.479 t RCP. We talked about a fair bit. Um. Yanni's gone. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.320 This is the fourth ever episode he wasn't present for. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.919 He's out ice fishing, he's on assignment. It's part of 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.760 our fur Hat ice tour, which we haven't announced. And 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.960 Yanni and I were duck hunting the other day and 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.159 he let me know that he is not much of 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.160 an ice fisherman, which I found kind of shocking when 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:31.120 you take into consider, um, you know where he hails from. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.880 But he's not a true outdoorsman. He just said, Oh, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.919 I come on, he is not a true outdoorsman. I 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:42.560 will often I will often uh invite him to go 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.440 do things, but hey, let's go ice fishing and he can't. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:52.400 He's going skiing. He probably like, you cannot be a 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:58.720 true outdoorsman and a skier. You just can't do it. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.760 That's why me and Seth the flip flop Flasher, are 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.719 the only true outdoorsman. You can't. You can't unless you 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.320 ski to unless you're like skiing to hunt snowshoes or something, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.120 you cannot. It just doesn't work. I was flabbergasted recently 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.280 to find out that his family didn't hunt on Christmas Day. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:24.880 Oh really, they don't hunt on Christmas Day. He grew 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.040 up not hunting Christmas Day, not taking a walk in 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.320 the woods for squirrels or rabbits or ice fishing the 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.040 whole day. They just sat there. Well, they're up all 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.560 night doing their pagan rituals that time. Yeah, and then 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:47.760 they drink too much the Latvian people. Uh, quick, before 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.600 we get into the main stuff here, the lamestream media 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.040 refuses to cover, um, what happens with people's We've been 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.440 talking a lot about this, what happens to people's limbs 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:02.280 and fingers and whatnot when they lose them. Um, here's 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.640 a fresh story. This guy. There's a guy in Edmonton. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.440 The guy just sent the things we've been talking. I 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.440 don't know how it came up, but somehow we gotta. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.640 Oh it was from getting de gloved, conversations around your 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.800 wedding ring, tearing the skin off your finger, and how 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.320 silicon wedding rings are the way to go. I I 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.680 switched to no ring at all recently because I lost mine, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.200 my rubber one. Um. But that guy is into talking 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.200 about just various things that have happened to people's fingers 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.680 and arms. There's this article out about this guy in 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.959 Edmonton who got in a crash a long time ago 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.240 in his arm. He lost the use of his arm, 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.880 but he packed it around. He's on a motorbike, his 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.760 brother's more motorbike. Uh, and he packed it around for 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.920 twenty years not working. Arm didn't work so evenly he 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.920 thought just trying to move on and had the arm amputated. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.200 Told tells the doctor that he wants to keep it, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.560 and in the end, after he gets his army ampetated, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.080 he goes back and brings his frozen arm home in 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:11.160 a sack. Calls around to a bunch of taxidermists and 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.320 most of them won't even consider his request, and eventually 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.280 he gets hold of a taxidermous. They even give the 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:18.880 name of the tax I want to give kudos to 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:28.400 this taxidermous Legends taxidermy in Drayton Valley, Alberta. Uh. They 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.880 finally agree to take care of it and he gets 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:38.120 it euro mounted. And it's funny because the article I'm 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:43.480 looking at uh, um, there's an image of him holding 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:48.040 this bone arm up in a warning about graphic images 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:55.000 below the image, so it's like you already saw the image. Uh. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.320 He brings it. He brought it to Christmas this year 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.440 to show everybody. He says that he thinks he might 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:07.880 eventually retire the arm and he's thinking about I'll quote him, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.599 I'm just gonna keep it probably behind the sink in 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:21.280 the kitchen. From the there's a good line from the taxidermist. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:26.080 So the husband wife taxidermy team, you know from this story, Yes, oh, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:27.920 you know more than I know about it. No, I 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.560 just you sounds like you know more, but I just 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.160 read a different the short short version. You heard a 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:40.040 quote from the taxidermist. Yes, and uh so the one 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.920 armed man calls and the wife picks up the phone 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:49.360 and she's like, well, you need to bring it down 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.680 in person so I can make sure it's your arm, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.120 which I found entertaining. Oh yeah, if a guy with 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.679 two arms shows up and he's got an arm in 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.760 the sack and says he wants his arm, I would 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:06.640 be a credulous yes. And so smell of fish for sure. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.480 The husband, the second half of the taxidermy team, says, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.360 you know what's up? And she said, well, this is 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.920 what's happening. And he says no way, and she says, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.480 well he's on his way down here already. Um. And 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.600 the detail that I kind of want because she she 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.440 did say that, like did they beatle did they beatle clean? 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.000 That's the detail that I want because I would feel 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:38.160 very differently. So typically for a European mount, either boil, slash, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.319 steam the meat and hide off of bone. Feel you 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.000 busy down there? Would you mind checking to see if 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:51.800 Legends Taxidermy and Drayton Valley. Uh, if they advertise beetle 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.079 cleaning services, Beetle cleaning, Legends tax and Drayton Valley. But 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.880 real curious was the Beatles. There wasn't a boiling clean right, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.920 because he's kind You're smelling what I'm getting at, right, 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.959 It just be a little different. But I would never 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.720 look at my Beatles the same way again if I 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.520 was using drmifted beatles to clean it. Yeah, what do 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.160 you find is interesting? You're not interesting? Fascinating? Yeah, it's 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.439 great cast characters. Uh. And then they had to get 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.800 so we'll let that linger until we get get the 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:28.880 the final result. But um they had to with with 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:34.240 the bones that were left after the cleaning process. Um, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.000 Legends tax during Me then reached out so much more 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.520 about this. This was just a real tight snippet and 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.520 kind of from their perspective, I can you know, I 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.880 can't remember where it was from. But anyway, they had 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:51.439 to reach out to a doctor friend of theirs um hand, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.560 doctor assumed assumedly, and they The doctor then put it 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.680 back together for them because she apparently looked at the 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.680 pile of bones, was like, hey, I'm not I got 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.640 how this goes together, which should be kind of bummed, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.480 right if that's your because you can't give him another 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:09.960 arm to work on. Did you get any sense of 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.719 what they we should just call these guys up. Do 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.200 you get any sense of what they charged for this? Oh? 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.160 That was not in the article, not in my version. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.320 You know, I never endorsed Taxidermist, but um well I 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.480 know I will because it's got Justin Sable. Dude, Justin. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:30.440 I took table and he called me yesterday afternoon, was like, yeah, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.280 come get these things. He doesn't waste time, he's got 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.400 a system dialed. And then I immediately regretted the price 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:41.600 that we settled on. Hold me, you got overcharged. When 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.959 I finally came in and pay for something, I wanted 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.640 to be as painful and argue as for the person 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.679 I'm paying as possible. That way, I feel like I 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.840 got my money's so you haggled. You can't. I can't 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.439 argue with the speed. It's sable, amazing does he is 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.760 justin Sables. Does he go by is it Sable? What's 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.000 he call his place? No, it's Bridger Canyon Taxidermy. Yeah, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.640 he's a good dude. I love that guy's a great job. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.679 I met his mom, super nice. You see his lion hounds. Yeah. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.800 I knocked on the wrong door and instead of telling 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.040 me to go around the house and follow the path, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.040 which I later found two justin studio. Um, She's like, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.480 come with me, and we just walked through the house. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:33.120 That she was in her nightgown, her robe, and I 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.800 felt pretty bad about well, she was just just getting 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.880 ready for the day. But she was watching somebody else's 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.840 dog that she was very politely cussing out the whole time, 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.200 which was cute. So how's it going, Phil? So they 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.520 don't have a legitimate website, but they have a Facebook page. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.560 There's not a lot of info. But on December eighteenth, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.400 they posted a picture of them building uh some sort 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.880 of it, I don't know, an arm box and it 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.960 says our new custom home for our Beatles is almost done. Okay, 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:06.560 detective word philis guys like a private investigator. Uh yeah, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.240 one more quote, um from from the guy. He said 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.240 that he's talking about calling different tax nervous. He says 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.920 a couple of them told me no, like right away. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.280 There was no way they were going to touch human 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:25.880 body parts. All right, So that's a major news. Um 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:27.960 quick thing. We're talking about dead as Dornell. Do you 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.680 guys know what that means? This is a correction. I 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.920 was like, why is it Dorneille dead? What beyond me? 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.960 Where that expression comes from? Phil got nothing? Nothing? Do 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.360 you still have Yanni's sound bites kewed up? Not not 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.560 right now? I didn't know he wasn't gonna be here today. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.560 Um yeah, yeah, So let's we'll tack one in and 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.640 I'll say, yann you know what that is Dornell means? 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:58.520 And yeah, you'll insert a good sound bite from Johnnie. Uh, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.080 he's got a stab at where dead as a Doornell 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.640 comes from? It was explained to me he's he's a carpenter, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.880 and when he was an apprentice carpenter was explained to 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.760 him that frontier doors were made with two layers of 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.320 boards with the grain running at ninety degree angles, and 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.720 the nails were driven through and clenched. This makes a 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:22.480 strong door that was not easily chopped through, right, because 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.760 you want to you know, you enter in like you 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.400 run your anyone who's using ax, know as you want 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.480 to run your accent. If you want to splint or something, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.200 you run your acc in parallel to the grain, the 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.800 blade being parallel to the grain with the grain. But 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.120 it's backed by boards that are cross uh. And he 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.760 got that. He goes on to say that this makes 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.600 a strong door. That was neither the chopped through with 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.040 the tomahawk. Now, nails were hard to come by and expensive, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.240 so oftentimes they were used time and again. Except door 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.640 nails being clenched that tight, there was no way to 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.400 straighten them, so they were considered dead. The only way 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.080 to resuscitate them is they be recycled at the blacksmith shop. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.159 I like that, like that one I do? Yeah, you 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.560 guys buying it. First framer I worked for. His dad 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.040 was also a framer, and that's what he did. Every night. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.840 You'd have a beer out in his shop and he's 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.639 straighten all the bent nails that he picked up around 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:26.639 the job site and distribute the straight and nails the 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.879 next day to his crew. That's good. When I was 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.840 a kid, when you when my dad was annoyed if 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.080 you one of the things he would do is give 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.000 you a he kept a two pound meat loaf tin 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.760 full of bent rusty nails. And now and then you 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.760 get like a checklist of shores you're supposed to do 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.919 it on. There was straight and damn nails out on 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:51.960 a hammer and anvil for re use. Uh. Okay, first 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:57.159 thing we want to do. UM here you explaining update 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:01.960 on what's going on with New Mexico stream access law. Yes. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:09.840 So basically the foundation of this is uh. New Mexico 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.560 State Constitution says all water belongs to the public. This 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.640 is just as brief a synopsis as I can give here. Yeah, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.840 but there's some stuff changing. There's like trouble brewing. Two 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:28.040 thousand seventeen, um UH bill came up and uh and 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.119 and was voted on to then have a process to 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:36.959 which landowners could declare their water non navigable. And they 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.160 added into a rule and amendment so the landowner gets 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.280 to say the landowner gets to apply for the section 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.359 of water if they have their properties on both sides 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.400 of the stream or river. So he's got a case 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.800 of the ass and ones people not access and he 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.359 can go and stay like hey, you know, yes, And 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.920 then New Mexico fishing game declares or does not declare, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:08.159 looks at his or the landowners situation says yeah, this 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.960 applies or does not apply. Um. So far there's been 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:17.000 five permits applied for and received, two or pending an 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:22.480 additional to or pending, and so five have been accepted. Yes, yeah, UM. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:28.960 I think Pacos and chama um would be uh to 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.000 water any sense of what kind of dude these dudes 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.280 are that are that are trying to get their stuff revoked. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.879 I would love to get back in there and do 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.320 some proper research and see exactly what the cases are, 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.879 you know, um for you know, public sway reasons. The 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.080 ones that get thrown up are like fishing lodges, you know, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.120 up at the fishing lodges. Yeah, That's what I'm curious, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.679 I say, like, what kind of dude is is it? 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.040 Is it like that? Like, what's the motivation is it? 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:04.159 Is it trophy home? You know? Is it like eighth 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.800 generation ranchers is fly shops? And so you know, from 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.240 the private side of things, it's like, well, you know, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.600 people are just coming in here and and leaving trash 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.639 and and I'm sick of it, which we can all 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.560 understand nobody likes see trash outside, but anyway, uh. The 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.880 so new Governor Michelle Luhan, a couple of new seats 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:34.840 on the New Mexico Fishing Game Board and UM. November two, nineteen, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:44.240 the State Attorney General, Hector Balderis UM re evaluates because 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.200 he's been asked to by the New Mexico Fishing Game 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.520 Board UM and finds that the new rule, this non 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:56.040 navigable water rule, is unconstitutional and unenforceable. So I'm gonna 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:00.080 make sure I'm getting this right. All waters, historically all 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.879 water is regarded as public. They make a rule that 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.880 says you can pull your ship out of it. Then 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.760 the new administration comes in and the point he's there 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.120 say you know what, you shouldn't be able to pull 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.600 your ship out of it. Yes, and this was has 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.840 been tested several times. UM. The case that gets brought 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.520 up the most was went up all the way through 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.880 the Mexico Supreme Court. The new New Mexico Supreme Court 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.760 at that time said you know, according to the state constitution, 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:37.359 all water belongs to the people of New Mexico. UM. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:41.439 And then just to kind of like show support for 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.320 this and this is this was just at the beginning 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.840 of I'm sorry at the end of two thousand nineteen, 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.639 just a couple of months ago, Senator you Doll and 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:55.040 Heinrich and U S. Rep. Deb Hayland. Uh, they wrote 0:21:55.080 --> 0:22:01.280 in in support of a moratorium on non evigable permits. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:05.640 So folks that wanted to apply for this non navigable status, 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:11.760 which is obviously in great question. Um, uh you do 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.600 all Heinrich Halan, They rode into the Fishing Game Board said, hey, 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.280 for all these reasons that benefit our state, we'd appreciate 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.840 it if he has would put a moratorium on this. UM. 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:30.640 And now to get into really the um the gossip 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:37.400 section of this, the intrigue is. Um. There Joanna Prucup, 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.560 who was a department head for Fishing Game New Mexico 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.439 Fishing Game for over twenty years, was one of the 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:49.639 new seats on the New Mexico Fishing Game Board commission. 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:56.640 And um, she just got noticed. She had a lot 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:02.159 of um, you know, public water folks really happy with 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:07.119 her and um, and she just got noticed that she 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:11.600 will not be reinstated. So but she's pro public access, 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:17.080 not anti public access, correct correct? So um, so she's 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:20.359 getting she's getting like in trouble for having stuck up 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.760 for stream access law and that that was a question 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.040 in the beginning. Uh. And she just came out and 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.359 and made a formal statement that she says, this is 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.719 all she can come up with. I said, look at 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:37.520 my background, Um, look at my track record. There's no 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.960 way I should be not asked back to sit on 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.480 this commission. Um. This is what it boils down to, 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:52.119 is the stream access situation. And um, you know it 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:57.600 unfortunately gets gets down to this core argument of the 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.600 US versus them type of situation. And if you have, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.640 if you if you own both sides of the river, 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:11.520 chances are, um, you have some influence. And folks are like, 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:16.840 see it's the rich folks swinging their weight around, um 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:22.760 against the little folks. And yeah, it's it is bummer. 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.760 It affects everybody if if this law were to go through. 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.919 Stream access allows a lot of access. Um, not just 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.320 for fishing. I use it a lot. Used it a 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.080 couple of times for your hunts this year in the 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.119 state of Montana, tubing and drinking beers. Well that's just good, 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.040 good family fund, right. So Heinrich does a lot for people, 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.040 does a lot for access issues. Well, he's got some 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.399 steak in the game because he likes to actually go 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.960 out and do that stuff. Like you. There's a sitting 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:57.080 US Senator from New Mexico, Martin Heinrich, who went out 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.840 on public land and kill the bull of the muzzleloader. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.480 She'd be like, coming down the trail, I think you 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.760 got an archery bowl this year too, coming down the 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:08.600 trail and run into dude and shoot the breeze of 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.880 the dude and then realize he's a sitting senator and 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.560 you have some some common interest parts at the trailhead. 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.520 But I love it. Yeah, So that's Um. You know, 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:22.520 this is something that's going to go on for a 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:28.639 long time. But right now, and I should say, you 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:34.399 can't trespass across private property to get to public water, 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:39.280 right you have to enter the water legally. Um. And 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:46.480 in this so right now they're saying that, um, you 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.040 could get issued a warning, but you will not be 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:53.280 issued a ticket if you are found in these sections 0:25:53.280 --> 0:26:00.320 of water that have been deemed non navigable. UM. And yeah, 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:07.040 I mean it's I I know there was some build 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.920 up back in two thousands seventeen when um, this came 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.600 up in front of the house there in New Mexico. 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:19.440 But I can't believe this. It was such a good 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.080 rule favoring public access in a place that's got a 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.760 lot of public land, New Mexico. I can't. I can't 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.320 believe it. It passed in two thousands seventeen. Makes me 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.480 wonder what was going on if you assume this is 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.359 gonna get litigated right all the way up probably the 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.679 state Supreme Court. It's in the constitution. Yes, that's what 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.879 happened here in Montana on multiple occasions. Yes, yeah, And 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.399 most recently was Sailor Lane, Right, was that that was 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.760 the most recent one down in the Ruby maybe? And 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.000 then you had the whole Mitchell sleugh over on the 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:53.840 for that. And you know, this has been sort of 0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.560 a constant theme of the states like Montana, New Mexico. 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.680 Then ye know, Utah that have more of these open 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:03.240 Acts US policies as opposed to wyom in Colorado where 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.040 the landowner owns the stream bottom. Yes, and if if 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:10.400 man if if the biggest grape is people leaving their 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:14.159 trash behind, Like, I absolutely get that. I hate seeing 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:18.240 trash and um for one reason or another when I 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:23.359 was hunting down But that's a that's a red herring. 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:27.879 It's like a problem, it's too important, it's not trash 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.800 is annoying, but that's not what it's about. Uh yeah, 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.159 if you live in New Mexico or hang out in 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.000 New Mexico, we should watch the issue because it has 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.160 a lot to do with like your ability and people 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:37.720 to live in states where you have stream axis you 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:39.399 don't even think about how good you have it. You know, 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.600 we grew up with in Michigan where you go to 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:47.000 the launch on a river or a lake or whatever. 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.280 You go to the public launch and put your boat in, 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.520 and then you go down the river and you wind 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:56.080 up in a spot where there's private landowners on either side. 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.400 You don't even think about. You just like paddle down, 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:02.600 motor down. Um, you can't take that for granted. This 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.040 is like one of the ways that people will attack 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.040 your ability to go outside and join nature. And and 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:12.760 definitely New Mexico is absolutely gorgeous. I love land of enchantment. 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.440 Right it's did you come up with that? A little 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:22.000 something I came up? Uh yeah. If it can happen there, 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.439 it can happen where we have it good here in 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:29.119 Montana and Idaho. Um so I mean, this is everybody's issue. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.800 We all have the ability to travel to these places 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:37.240 and and enjoy um you know, the States rights and 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:43.120 um boy, it's hugely beneficial to have the ability to 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.680 truck down and you know, hike down a stream a 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.200 mile and and hunting some hard to get two spots 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:53.040 and or just fish the thing, and um something you 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.560 gotta pay attention to, because I just feel like if 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:03.600 anywhere within the US we demonstrate, you know, a blase attitude, 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:10.800 you know, not the willingness to fight over this stuff. Man, 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.840 it's just get a slippery slope from there. It's everybody's issue. 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840 And I think it's really exacerbated in place like New Mexico, 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.440 which just so dry. You just have less rivers, less opportunities. 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.560 So you started taking those away. You know, you've taken 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.240 away a significant portion. Yes, oh yeah, that's a good point. 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.680 Well you have limited navigable again or New York where 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.320 I grew up. I mean there's a lot of water 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.040 and there's a lot of access, and you lose the 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.080 stream here or there. You may not notice it. New 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.480 Mexico you would notice it. Yeah, it's a good point. 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.800 All right, went, you're ready you're fired up, let's do it, Okay, 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.720 twenty nights public lands in general. We just covered public waters, 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.840 but we like if you consider public waters being part 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:53.760 of public lands, which is fair. Uh, thumbs up, thumbs down, 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.160 thumbs up. It was a good year. Then we started 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.640 off good right at the beginning of the year. We 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:03.000 passed the Senate or Congress past the big public lands bill. 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.000 Break that down a little bit, so it was did 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.280 a bunch of different things. And the way Congress works 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.080 these days, you don't pass individual pieces of legislation like 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.120 a Senior Wilderness bill or anything. It comes in these big, 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:20.040 omnivous bills because so little passes anymore that whenever something 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.920 is moving, everything gets piled onto it. Oh that's that's 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.520 a strategy. Yeah, So because you know, it's just you 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.680 have very few vehicles moved through so invariably, instead of 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.600 just one provision, it's going to be a hundred provisions. 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:35.080 And so that's what happened with it. What what forms 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:39.160 the base in something like that, um, you know, typically 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.840 as you know, and this one you could you could 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.680 argue it was Land and Water Conservation Fund. It could 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.960 be some of these public lands bills, but essentially just 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.560 you need to have stuff. That's what everything is being 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.760 tacked on. Ideally is something that a lot of people 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.400 want to see pass. And really in this bill, yeah, 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.880 there was nothing super controversial. So you had over a 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.880 hundred provisions, You had, you know, a million acres a 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.840 new wilderness created, you had six hundred miles while the 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:08.400 Scenic River is created. You permanently reauthorized Land Water Conservation Fund, 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.840 which is the primary tool that we use for public access, 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.520 especially to public lands. Then that three percent of that 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.040 has to be used for public access projects. So this 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.120 goes back to things like the ONEX report we did, 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.280 you know, which talks about landlocked public lands, you know, 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:25.840 both on the federal side as well as on the 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.440 state side, collectively more than sixteen million acres of public 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.560 lands the public can't get to. So three percent of 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.880 this Land and Water Conservation Fund is now targeted for 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.960 projects like that. By a simple section here there and 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.560 easement at someplace that will then open up a lot 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.760 more public land. So a little bit different way of 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.800 thinking about access, and we have in the past the 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.560 past land or Conservation Fund has been thought of as 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.320 a tool to preserve big landscapes. You know, big tracks 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.840 of forests that are Timber company is selling things like that, 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.080 which are still really important. But another use of it 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.400 is these small strategic acquisition is they're based around access, 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.320 and I think we're going to see a lot more 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:05.760 than that. We saw that reflected in this bill. So 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.200 now that has been permanently reauthorized. When when you say 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.960 this bill was popular with everybody, like, what did it 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.479 pass by? So the overall package passed in the Senate 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.640 and then what was the who? Like, give me a 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.479 profile of the eight. They have various reasons. I remember 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:27.040 hearing one time that the Wilderness Um when they created 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.240 like the Wilderness Act, that it was in the Senate 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.080 because the one didn't think it went far enough. Is 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:40.000 that the case with the eight? Oh no, no, it's 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.000 the other way around. I mean you have especially some 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.960 you know, Western senators that honestly just don't like public lands. 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:46.920 I mean you look at a guy like Mike Lee 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.400 and Utah who's sort of made no he didn't, but 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.920 he's made his name on railing against public land ownership period. 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.000 And you know, some folks slot it spent too much money. 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.880 You know, it didn't spend all that much money, but anyway, 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.600 it was sort of ideological anti public land, you know, 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.360 that's where the eight came from. So the ninety two, 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.120 you know, they were like something more they would like 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.800 to have, you know, land water Conservation one permanently funded 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.840 as well. We didn't get that, but we got at 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.600 least permanently reauthorized, so we don't have to worry about 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.760 it disappearing in three years or five years or one 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.080 of the typical re authorization is um you know. So 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.160 that bill was really important and the fact that it 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.960 passed by that, you know, wid a margin, I think 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:26.880 really represents kind of a sea change and a lot 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:28.880 of the public lands. You know, we think about the 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.920 rhetoric over the past ten years. You went from the 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.720 Senate passing, you know, a nine bonding resolution at least 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.040 Makowski offered that basically said all public lands other than 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.760 national parks ought to be divested, and you know that 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.680 was that passed with pretty much all Republican votes. Now 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.880 compare that to this where you're expanding protections on public 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.320 lands are expanding while the scenic rivers, you're expanding the 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:57.280 acquisition programs to create more public lands. And it passes eight. 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.720 So I think from that original a sort of stage 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.800 brush rebellion, you know, kind of mentality we were seeing 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.160 really a decade ago. That was we saw these bills 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.440 passing on the state levels, like demanding return to public 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.680 lands to the states, which were never there is to 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.759 begin with. But you I think that rhetoric has really 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.520 gotten knocked down pretty good. And I think when you 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.960 saw Jason Chaffitz essentially have to withdraw his bill that 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.880 would have sold off three point three million acres of 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.560 public lands to help balance the budget, that really was 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.080 a sea change. And you saw the Outer Industry Association 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.640 move it show on a Salt Lake city because of 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.919 the bad Utah politics on public lands. So we really 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.200 saw I think the momentum has swung back in favor 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.120 of public lands, and I think that's reflected in this vote, 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.480 which is, you know, you can't do much better than eight. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.400 I mean, you could do a resolution on motherhood and 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.480 apple Pie that probably wouldn't pass by that margin. Who Yeah, 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.880 it feels like a bill says like we love motherhood 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:56.640 and apple pie. Yeah, no, forget that, do we I'm 0:34:56.640 --> 0:35:02.919 a ferry pie? Who within who within the administration? Who 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:07.799 within the Trump administration is uh who's influential there, you know, 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.080 I mean like he signs it, right, he signs, So 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.239 I think, you know, the Secretary Interior clearly this is 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.239 mostly Interior related bill. So that's that's who's weighing up. 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.960 That's who has that's who has the president's year exactly. 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.440 And Dave Parnart has been pretty darn reasonable and most 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.480 of these issues. Mean, he's been great on access issues, 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.560 he's been you know, sort of approachable on land management issues. 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.040 So I think he recognized that this was not only 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.239 was it there's no point in vetoing this, you're gonna 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.000 get crushed on an override, but it also has good 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.840 politics and it makes sense and it's not draconian anyway. 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:39.920 And you've got you got t RCP worked hard on this. 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:41.680 Oh yeah no. And but not just us, I mean 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.279 tons of groups, Wildlife Federation b h A. Yeah, pretty 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.080 much everybody supported this. I mean, I don't think anybody 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.920 in our community opposed this. Because another provision that was 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.400 in this overall bill was clarifying that public lands are 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.839 open for hunting and fishing unless they're specifically closed through 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.640 an open and transparent process. And that was really an 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.120 effort to push back on some of the things the 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.960 animal rights community had attacked, like they did in Michigan 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.520 a few years ago. Yeah, with the HURON, I think 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.439 National Forest sort of trying to get hunting shut down 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.200 there at that time. It was yeah, yeah, I can't remember. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.080 I can't remember the HURON or wherever, but at that 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.319 time they got somebody who didn't like the noise of 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.319 gunfire to try to shut down an area, and it 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.960 really was back door. That's an interesting approach animal rights 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.160 community to go in and try to shut down public lands. 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:29.400 And so this is you know, listen, there are some 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.200 public lands that makes sense to shut down, you know, 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.879 near campgrounds, you know, other things like that, but there 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.160 ought to be a public and transparent process to shut 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.239 those down. Yeah. I mean you see buffers like there's 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.000 you know, you go to river access sites and will 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.000 say no discharge of fire. Yeah. So I mean, but 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.040 there ought to be just say, thoughtful process to close 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.879 areas off, not because it may you know, somebody may 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.560 hear a gun shot a few miles away. Yeah. So 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:53.640 anyway that did this. So even the right side of 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.759 the community that typically does not weigh in on wilderness 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.680 and wilder scenic rivers. You know, they were enthusiastically and 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:01.759 word of this because of that, because they saw that 0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.239 as taking away one of these attacks on hunting and 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.799 fishing on public lands. Do you ever see, um, do 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.520 you ever see a situation where people within the animal 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:19.200 rights movement UM will like take this thing for instance, 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.759 where it's obviously doing it's beneficial to wildlife, is beneficial 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.200 to habitat preservation. Do you ever see a situation where 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:32.400 they'll sabotage the movement of something that I'm the whole 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.520 is good for wildlife because it enables harvest of wildlife. Like, 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.879 do you ever see it become like a real actual problem. Sure? 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.400 I mean they opposed that provision that opened less closed 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:45.040 provision for years, but when it's tacked in with a 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.520 hundred other provisions saying what do they do? Then then 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.359 they swallow their pride and they support the overall pack 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.000 because it's all in all win, even though it's a 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.759 loss for them in there exactly, And I mean maybe 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.279 some of the he I mean I didn't follow what 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.560 pe position was. Yeah, I mean the reasonable players who 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.640 are actually out there trying to nobody gets everything they want. 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.920 And when these packages just why it passed by such 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:10.160 a large margin because it's sort of the fringe elements 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.799 on either side get knocked out, and you know, so 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:14.440 something like this makes a ton of sense, and I 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.000 think this is the way you're going to see it again. 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.719 My guess is that earlier this year, you know, Lisa 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.040 Murkowski is going to put together an energy package, which 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.680 would really be a public lands package too, because there'll 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.640 be assortment of these smaller bills, you know that are 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.880 you're ready to go their non controversial and you know, 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.680 before you get into the election you're gridlock. You know, 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.879 this is another Probably I think it's a good chance 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.120 we'll get another package that moves through. We've been trying 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:40.759 to get Lisa mccowski on the show without new luck. 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.600 She's a tough one to pin down. Yeah, that's why 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.080 I want to get around the show. And you know, 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:49.880 being from Alaska, I mean I feel like she she 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.120 like would definitely have a lot of opinions. She would 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.760 I would love Yeah, I'd love to ask you some questions. Okay, 0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:56.680 break down the farm bill for me. Man? What I like? 0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:59.080 I think I feel like a lot of people know 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.960 there is such thing as a but don't really understand it. Well, 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.720 one thing I guess to point out that makes things 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.359 uh tough on the education side of things is like, 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.239 we need these certain things within the farm bill the pass, 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.800 but you're talking about the farm bill or the transportation 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:23.440 bill or the energy bill, and uh, people get really confused. 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.399 So it's hard to be like, no, no, this these 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:32.239 sportsman's issues are buried within this thing. But it is 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:37.640 the transportation like the whole package, right is like let's 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.640 say if the farm bill is composed of a hundred 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:45.120 things to to our directly applied to sportsman or what 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:46.959 the ratio is? Well, yeah, and there's plenty of people 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.520 out there right who are like, I don't have a farm. Yeah, 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:50.759 so I'll tell you what to tell you what the 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.440 ratios are here? So we have Yeah, they basically nine 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.880 herd million acres in the United States are in farm 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.120 or a commercial forestry production tellon acres. So that's about 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.600 the overall land masks to the US is in you know, 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.200 it basically is you could largely call it in farm 0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.680 and of that, about a hundred and forty million acres 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:14.240 are enrolled in farm bill conservation programs. So that's about 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.640 I gotta I gotta hear these number. What's the number 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.640 how many acres have federally managed public lands we have 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.640 like national forest, national parks, refugees. I think the number 0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.080 I see is sixty million, okay. And how many acres 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.920 of land again, are are in egg production, About nine 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.360 hundred million. And of those of those, about a hundred 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.200 and forty million acres are enrolled in farm bill conservation programs. 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.799 What does that mean? But that in context, you know, 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.359 that's society of these are privately held lands. Privately held 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.400 lands enrolled in you know, basically the farm bill, the 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.080 conservation side of the farm bill, which is the single 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.200 largest you know, from a dollar standpoint conservation program in 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.840 the United States, it's thirty billion dollars, and you know, 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.600 so that's but in the broad scheme of things, the 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.799 overall farm bill is eight hundred plus billion, So it's 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.520 a allad ways like seven percent I think, you know, overall, 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.000 I mean, you can add it up different ways, but 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.880 relative a small portion of the world farm bill is conservation. 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.000 The great majority of those things like food stamps, the 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.960 nutrition program, Oh, that's part of the farm buil. And 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.480 that was a they need to haggle over the farm 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.560 bill every five years, and it was a deal that 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.080 was cut a long time ago. You basically to get 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.360 urban members and rural members to support something and the 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:28.680 food stamp programs in the farm bill, and so maybe 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:30.920 do that and forgot it. Yeah, I mean that's you know, 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.680 but when you have a farm bill, that's what all 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.440 the debates around. It's around you know, food stamp eligibility 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:39.080 requirements and figures and things like that. But that was 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.439 a very intentional deal that we're not just sitting around 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.719 arguing about pheasant habitat. No, No, that's I mean, there 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.200 are some of that. We argue about pheasant habitat, but 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.080 in the big scheme of things, we're you know, decimal 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.520 dust in the overall argument, which makes it vulnerable. Well 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.600 it does, but I mean remember this is the you know, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.680 this reason we able to get a farm bill passes. 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.920 You have that weird coalition between urban inner city you know, 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.160 the Black Caucus, you know, folks like that that really 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.480 want to make sure they have Yeah. There and back 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.440 in the seventies was this is all started. There was 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.440 a real nutrition problem in this country, and so the 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.439 farm you know, the food stamp program at that time 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.960 was really created to address a really particular need in 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.640 this country. But at the same time they realized that 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.319 this also helped farmers who wanted to have basically some 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.840 guaranteed markets within the country of food. So that was 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:27.960 how the whole deal got created in the first place, 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.640 was urban members coming to go with rural members to 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.960 create a farm bill that was good for farmers, it 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:36.240 was good for the inner cities. That coalition has stayed 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.799 pretty strong. I mean it's been fraid a little bit 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.200 more in recent years, but you know, that's the reason 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.360 we're able to get a farm bill passed now. So 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.560 go back to your original question in terms of what 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.120 does that look like. So of that thirty billion dollars, 0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.040 it's broken out into several remind me again, the thirty 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.880 billion dollars that how do you characterize that chunk of 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.800 the So that is what we call the conservation program 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.640 of the farm bill. That's type too. So so the 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:06.280 the whole thing with all that everything involved is exactly 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:12.520 which is that's real money. That's that is real is 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.880 the conservation part of it. So we're talking about the 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:19.360 thirty billion dollar piece of and unlike other sort of 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:24.640 environmental legislation. The Farm Bill is voluntary, so this is 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.439 creating incentives on private lands to do the right thing 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:32.279 for soil, for water, for fish and wildlife. And there 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.920 are a couple of there are two different ways you 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.080 can do that. I mean, there is the essentially what 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.520 they call the land retirement programs, like the conservation reserve program, 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.840 where you pay a landowner to set aside basically the 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.800 most marginal land on his or her farm and manage 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:49.560 it for conservation, you know, for you get better water quality, 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.000 get more wildlife habitat, and the farmer gets guaranteed income 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.680 for the source of that continent the course of that contract, 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.439 which is typically ten to fifteen years. So right now 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.880 concert from reserve program, they're about twenty two million acres 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.160 that are currently enrolled in that program. Yeah, if you're 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.800 if you're a hunter, and you keep your ears open, 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.960 you will at some point in your life here someone 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:16.399 say let's go hit that CRP field exactly, and that's 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:20.320 what we're talking about. And I knew that line. I 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.919 knew the hitting the c RP field line long before 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.160 I knew what in the world that meant. And that's 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.320 a great program. And then it's expensive, but it serves 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.000 multiple benefits made it helps. When it was originally created 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.080 back in the nineteen ages, was during the farm crisis, 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.480 and it really was created as a price support mechanism 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.680 for farmers, a way to pay them for not farming. Yeah, 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.359 and and I feel just just jump on this because, uh, 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.560 this is I feel that this is the thing that 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:50.080 you hear people gripe about so much, like people criticizing 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:54.600 farm subsidies and pale it's all subsidies and paying farmers 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:56.319 to do nothing. But I mean, you gotta look at 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.520 sort of world history and American history and it starts 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.840 making a lot more sense. I mean, millions of people 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:07.640 starved to death during World War two, real hunger crisis 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:11.319 in the seventies, And it's like if markets collapse in 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.400 some ways, some global thing causes Marcus to collapse, do 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.560 you really want to have it be that everyone that 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.080 has a farm that can't get through that period, that 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.880 they sell the land or turn it into a golf 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.560 course or subdivide it or whatever the hell. Or do 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.040 you give them some way that that you can that 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.479 that you can allow people to hang on to land, 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:32.759 keep it an egg and be ready for the next 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.680 time there's a global crisis, because you can't expect people 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.680 to go like break ground and stout start a farm 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.200 because we have a impending famine. It's like they've got 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.839 to be ready to roll. But you hear people, I mean, 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.360 I'm sure, I'm sure there are abuses like everything. Like 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.120 you can talk about any government program and if you 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.839 focus on the abuses, would be the same way as 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.440 me saying hunters suck because some people are poachers. It's like, 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.200 of course they're abuses. But may I hear a lot 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.080 of people dogging on to sell program. It's like you're 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.279 kind of like doing it without really thinking about the 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.040 implications of it. If farmers all had to go bankrupt 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:07.960 every time something happened. And this is very different in 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:09.719 the back in the nineteen eighties and the nineteen eighties 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.799 when it was you basically just we're paying farmers not 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:16.240 to farm. Now, you know, CRP and the other wildlife programs, 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:20.640 conservation programs have been much more refined and so they're 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:24.000 geared towards really actually helping things like water quality, you know, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.239 soil quality, fish and wildlife. They're incentives. So if you 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.120 enter your land call into a c RP. You're also 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.080 gonna get some incentives from the federal government to go 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.480 and you know, convert put in pollinator habitat. And so 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.719 it's way more targeted and strategic and beneficial for the 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.560 public at large than it was in the old days. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.320 And you know, obviously pollinator habitat you know, sounds goofy, 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:48.200 but it's not to be incredibly important if you like 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:53.279 value agriculture flowers, you know anything, and we've been losing it, 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.160 and this is a way to encourage bringing a lot 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.760 of that back. You know, monarch butterflies with a poster 0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.960 child for you know, loss of pollinator habitat. So I 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.839 don't think that you know, we've seen a big change 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.320 of it. You have c RP, you have the Conservation 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.160 of Stewardship Program, you have the Environmental Quality and Habitat 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.200 Program EQUIP uh you know, AQUI we touch on the 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:16.800 bugs a little bit more. If you're seeing like in 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:21.720 areas and intensely uh tilled lands and intensely in lands 0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.680 with a lot of intense use of herbicides and pesticides, 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:29.560 and you're seeing like radical reductions and insect life, Um, 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.400 you gotta wake up to the reality that like that 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.720 goes beyond bugs and maybe you like the hunt turkeys 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:39.920 a turkey pole se its diet is animal matter. Bugs. 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.160 It's like, you can't act like you're gonna strip out 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.600 It's like, oh, it's just bugs. Who cares. It's like, dude, 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.759 you can't. Actually you're gonna strip that out and the 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:50.640 life as you know it is going to continue to 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.839 look the same. You can't like knock chunks of ecology 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.800 out and act like it doesn't have it. So when people, 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.920 if someone were to roll their eyes about allinator habitat, 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:04.840 I'd be like, well, you don't only turkeys, yep, or whatever, 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.480 you know. I mean, it's like it's essential stuff, man, 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:09.280 and this is great. And it's not just Steven Turkey. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.640 I mean Bob white Quail. It's you know, you name it, 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.239 you know, and it's important for it and that diversity 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.520 is you know, just you know, good for ecological reasons period. 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.759 Things we don't understand right exactly. And it's beautiful. So 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.280 you know, I think there's a whole bunch of benefits. 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:24.560 So I think that in the days when then, you know, 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:26.719 you could justly criticize some of the farm programs is 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.600 just straight subsidies with little public benefit other than keeping 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.359 a farmer float. I think it's very different today. I mean, 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.719 these programs have been refined, have been improved, and I 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:39.600 think you're seeing way broader benefits, which makes it frustrating 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.080 when we have a sort of a dwindling CRP like 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.120 we're seeing right now. Yeah, that's the part I kind 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:45.600 of I kind of wanted to get to that because 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.600 when we were at the t RCP board meeting, there 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:53.240 was some talk about um money was available for farmers 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.600 to enroll in CRP, but it wasn't flowing, so they 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.640 were there were people who were armors were putt in 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.359 a tough spot because one hand they wanted to enroll, 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:08.120 but they couldn't get the the compensation. And we're going 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:09.799 to be put into a tough spot where they're gonna 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:11.880 have to try to do something to figure it out. 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.160 It's kind of screwing farmers. So CRP reached its peak 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:16.800 I think it was in two thousand seven, which is 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.920 about thirty seven million acres enrolled in that program, and 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.200 that there was a direct correlation between you know, low 0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:25.879 you know, commodity prices and enrollment and programs like c RP, 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.080 because when you're not making money off growing corner soy beans, 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.000 ralph alf or whatever it might be, then CRP looks 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.960 a whole lot better. During the you know, sort of 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.560 go go years of the two thousand tens to two 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:42.239 thousand seventeen. Yeah, when you had seven dollar corn things 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.560 like that, you saw a bunch of land move out 0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:46.799 of c RP and other constants like that. Contract would 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:50.120 expire and you would go into grain production money. Somebody 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.200 would just break a contract and get the penalty and 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.160 just go straight into touch you. So over that time period, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.680 we lost about six million acres out of c RP. 0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.919 All right, excuse me not six million acres of grassland 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.720 and prairie land and pasture land got converted to row crops. 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.279 And the grain prices. Grain prices are through the roof. 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.960 Now you have the exact opposite. Now. So when the 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.680 previous farm bill was done back in two thousand four, 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.560 what made grain prices shoot the roof? Uh? There were 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:19.080 a variety of things. I mean, it's just you know, 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.040 we had a huge good weather here. I mean, we 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.239 had huge export markets. So I think that was when 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.879 come onside any like bad Russian wheat crops and like that. 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.239 You also had you know, sort of the go go years, 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.480 the ethanol subsidies, so that was driving production of corn. 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:35.360 It was you know, so that was part of it. 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.080 It was just a really good time to be a farmer, 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:38.840 and it was not a great time to be a 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:41.600 conservationist because all this land was getting moved out and 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.120 converted to row crops. Now all of a sudden, you know, 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:48.480 we have trade wars, and you know, prices are through 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.200 the floor, and there was huge demand to get moved 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:55.080 land into c RP and other conservation programs at a minimum, 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.360 just to stabilize farm income. You had whether this storm 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.239 because eventually prices are gonna stay abilize again. Yeah, because 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.600 they're they're afraid of farmers. If if they're not able 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:08.040 to do CRP, they're gonna maybe be in a situation 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.359 where they're further contributing to flooding the market with grain 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.520 and keeping prices down or just mean listen, I mean, 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:16.879 you know the records suicides out and farm country right now, 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:20.080 record bankruptcies. I mean, it is is a true crisis 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:23.160 right now. And instead of giving them a thirty billion 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.799 dollar bailout, which is what we've done to address, you know, 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:27.920 some of the impacts of the trade war. We ought 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:31.040 to be moving a buttload of land into conservation where 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.440 they're getting payments which are also doing public good at 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.359 the same time. Yeah, like get like where the tax 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:37.600 periods are getting more out of it. Right. So in 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.000 the two thousand eighteen farm bill that we passed, which 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.319 was a good farm bill again thirty billion dollars, you know, 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.520 and made improvements to the two thousand fourteen farm bill, 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:48.960 changed the conservation programs a lot. It got rid of 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.360 a bunch of them, consolidated them, streamlined them, created a 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.919 couple of new ones, like the Regional Conservation Partnership Program. 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.960 This most recent farm bill didn't make any drastic changes 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:00.640 like that, but really improve toupon what we did in 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:04.000 two thousand fourteen. And you know, among other things, that 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.399 expanded c RP, which had been down to twenty four 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.560 million acres in the two thousand and fourteen farm bill 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.560 because demand was so low, kicked that back out to 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.640 seven million acres because demand is much higher. Now, tell 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.760 me the two numbers again, twenty four and the previous 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.680 farm bill in the most recent one to make that 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.920 budget neutral, they made a little bit less profitable for farmers. 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.280 They reduced the rental rade a little bit, they reduced 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.120 the incentive payments a little bit, but overall the INDs 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:30.239 so they're making the same spend and getting three more 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.480 million acres and are those people getting their money now? 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.080 So just in December, for the first time in four years, 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.360 they've done a sign up for c RP, which is 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.640 just insane because you're having you know, acres expire, you 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.360 have huge men in farm country. But we just couldn't 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:48.440 get these guys to do a new sign up. So 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:52.759 finally these guys Department Culture, Farm Service Agency because of 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:58.200 what reason? Alright, so you have so farm bill is 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:02.439 mandatory funding, so it doesn't have to be appropriated every year. 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.200 So this is essentially, you know, something that has done 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:07.840 and they don't worry about it, so it's not the 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.200 vagaries of annual appropriations like Land and Waterer Conservation Fund. 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.000 I mean, obviously we want to get LBCF off budget 0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:16.520 for the same reasons, so you're stable money is coming 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:18.120 in and we know what it's going to be. But 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.839 farm Bill programs are truly off budget. So these are 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:25.520 mandatory programs. However, if you don't spend the money like 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.480 you go and they look o MB will look over 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.640 a few years and say, jeez, you have any to spent. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.759 You know, a third of this money. We're two years 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:33.759 from the end. We're gonna basically cut a bunch of 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:38.760 your money away. So the devious, the cynical of those 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.040 among us, like me who's been in DC a long time, 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:44.080 feels that this has been basically a backhanded way to 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:47.160 reduce the baseline, so, in other words, to not spend 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.239 the money that Congress expected them to spend, and then 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.200 have om B say, well, jeez, you're not spending the money, 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:56.120 so we're gonna reduce that overall amount and officers management 0:53:56.120 --> 0:54:00.080 and budget and uh, and there was there was in 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.200 mendications they didn't like the original farm building that it 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.920 was too expensive, and so this would be basically a 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.120 back doorway of not implementing it the way Congress intended 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.800 it to be implemented and at the same time lose 0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:13.880 that baseline so it makes it less spending for the 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:15.920 federal government doesn't show you're running quite as big a 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.359 deficit as you're doing it. But at the same time, 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:20.840 it's not providing the benefits on the ground that Congress intended. 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:25.360 So finally in December they announced new sign up. So 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.600 if anybody is listening and has friends in farm country, 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:30.879 tell them to go to the Farm Service Agency, get 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.839 signed up for c RP. Get down there, Get down there, 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.840 dug protectives at the front of the line. Um, and 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:38.480 if your folks want to learn more about it, then 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.720 go to We have a website called c RP works 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:43.200 dot org, so you can go there and learn more 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.200 about the program in general. But what we're expecting is 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.399 not going to be a great sign up because they 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.800 lowered and sent up payments significantly, so in other words, 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.400 instead of that the payments for going and putting in 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.560 pollinator habitat that used to be about now in this 0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.680 new sign up is down about five, which is you know, 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:03.360 just it really does not that help. So they also 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.560 moved a bunch of the continuous funding, which is way 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.239 more expensive, which is non competitive, and that's where you 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.560 do things like you know, a lot of the you know, 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.040 like sage grouse restorations work being done on the farm 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.400 bill is in these continuous programs. A lot of the 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.600 Bob White you know, restoration, long leaf pine restoration is 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.520 being done. You know, under this continuous program, there's much 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:25.840 longer term, but they're also more expensive. And you know, 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.240 but a lot of those wildlife programs that had always 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.120 been in these long term programs now getting moved in 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.880 the general sign up, which makes them much cheaper. So 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:34.640 the folks like the Landoords will not get the same 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.439 amount of money for him. So we're gonna they think 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.880 that while we should be getting about eight million acres, 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.960 it could get signed up. I mean, I think we'll 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.759 be lucky to see you know, six million. Just in 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.200 so right now they're twenty two million acres enrolled. They're 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.880 about another six or eight million that are basically expiring 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.920 in the next year. So there is a in their 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:57.680 caps twenty seven million acres. So there's a lot of 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:00.799 room to add acres, and god, no farm country needs 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.640 it right now. But we're not gonna see that. We're 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.120 gonna see, Yeah, we're gonna see some acres added, probably 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:07.920 about six million acres and may kick it up to 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:11.680 from twenty two. You know, I'll put decent amount, but 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.239 given what's expiring, it's not going to come close to 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:18.320 that cap acres are there's c RP lands in Hawaii 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:22.239 for instance, Like where where is all this stuff? Um, 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:24.480 not that I know of, but here, I've got actually 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.319 a map on my computer which I'll I'll show you when. 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:32.400 But yeah, you gotta gotta give these folks, you know, 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:35.480 the value of their time and gas. Oh exactly yeah. 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.480 And if if they're going to go spend their time 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.160 and gas, they're gonna look for a better return now, 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:45.719 exactly right. So anyway, we're gonna be disappointed with the 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:49.160 sign up is currently going on, but it's better than nothing. 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:51.560 We're thrilled they finally got to sign up out. But 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.239 you know, long term, yeah, we're gonna have to, you know, 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:58.040 have a serious discussion between Congress and administration about implementing 0:56:58.080 --> 0:57:01.600 this program the way it's intended. Yeah, will be organizing 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:04.160 comments on behalf of the broad The administration has been 0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:08.040 uh dragging his feet, not not sort of exercising the 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:09.880 will of the people in terms of and I mean 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.640 part of the problem here is too is this is 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.239 the one conservation program that is ministered by the Farm 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.920 Service Agency and not NRCS, and that's where Resource Conservation 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.520 Service they wake every day and think about conservation on farmland. 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:23.800 Farm Service agency doesn't, so they look at the big 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:26.640 thing things to do today. You know, this is down 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.000 towards the bottom. And Steve's earlier point is the one 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:34.880 that it's the development threat. You know. I mean farmers 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:38.840 and ranchers they do what they do not because they 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:43.680 have to. There's that's their life. I mean, it's it's 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.000 the way they choose to spend their lives. And eventually 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:49.760 they're going to get it in a point where it's like, man, 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:52.760 it's not worth the hassle. And you're in a place 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:56.000 like the Gallatin Valley here, my mom's plays there outside 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.640 of Billings, where it's let's just cut this sucker up 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:03.680 and get a paycheck and and moved to Hawaii. Yeah, 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.760 that's exactly right. And that's the real threat long term. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.640 If you drag your feet on this implementation, there's huge 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.440 ripple effects through a farm country. Much rather have the 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:18.600 argument of CRP or row crop versus c RP or 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:22.600 housing development, because once it's housing, it's not coming back 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:26.040 to Yeah, it's not coming out. Hey, Phil, We're gonna 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.760 move on to um. So there's a map of where 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:36.040 hot bed CRP and Upper Midwest Great Plains. Boy, things 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.680 get complicated when you move down there towards the Upper 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:44.560 Midwest and Great Plains into Columbia. Columbia drainage. Uh, hey, Phil, 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.280 you know that noise Cali uses in Cal's weaken review 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:51.360 where it goes Yeah, moving on, Yeah, put that noise in, right, 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:57.800 got it? Access? Yeah? Twenty nine thumbs up, thumbs down, 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.480 thumbs up. Yeah again, you kind of are your kind 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:03.040 of thumbs down in farm bill. Yeah, and I think 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.680 thumbs down in farm bill. Um, just who combs down 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:09.960 one and a half? So one thumb is one thumb 0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:14.400 the sideways down. Hit me two thumbs on. Hear, give 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:17.000 me you both your thhonbes on access. Good. It's got 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:19.640 two thumbs on, two thumbs up on access. So we've 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:23.000 been you know, honestly, Dave Bernhardt and the Interior Department 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.760 have been really good on this issue. So he's been, 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:27.360 you know, sort of done a bunch of things in 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.680 terms of opening up hunting and fishing on refuges and places, 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:32.680 streamlining rigs. I mean, we had a situation in the 0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.520 past where you may have a refuge someplace that had 0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.600 totally different rigs than the state, which may make sense 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:40.000 but may not make sense. But it made it really 0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:42.240 confusing for hunters, and so a lot of that has 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.520 been streamlined. They've also you know, there are certain refuges 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.360 and other public lands that got closed for no particular reason, 0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:50.840 and those all got reevaluated and a bunch got reopened, 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:54.120 So that's good. Perhaps the most important thing he's done 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.360 on the access front is dealing with you know, what 0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:01.800 we call disposable lands for BLM. So under the original FLIPMA, 1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:04.720 which is the Federal Land Management Policy Act, which essentially 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:07.840 governs b land management, they're required to every time they 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:12.400 review renew Resource Management Plan in r NP, look at 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:14.520 areas that don't make sense for them to hold on 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:16.960 too and are suitable for disposal. Give me an example 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:18.840 of what that would look like. Yeah, let's say have 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:21.240 a a plot inside the city limits of Las Vegas 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:23.240 that happens to still be bland land, just some weed 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.240 plot land, Yeah, I mean, just an historical anomaly. You know, 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:28.320 maybe it's part of a railroad grant or something, you know, 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:33.280 long term ago, and but rabbits out there there could 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.800 be so but anyway there and there probably are variety 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:38.960 of federal lands out there that makes sense to be 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:42.000 you know, swapped or disposed of. And that's fine and honestly, 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:45.320 and Jason Chan real quick. So let's say you have 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:47.560 a you know, a parcel that you know it was 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.800 in the city limits of Las Vegas, and you know 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.840 the city really wants that to expand the strip just 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:57.280 to use a hypothe a hospital hospital. Okay, then they 1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:59.880 could enter into say, okay, fine, we have we the 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:02.680 city of Las Vegas has this parcel way outside of town, 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.840 adjacent to a national forest, will swap it to you 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.680 in exchange for this piece in town. Your national forest 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:11.120 gets bigger, our hospital gets bigger, right, and it's a 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:13.520 win win for everybody. Now, there's some rules in place 1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:15.800 about swaps have to be you know generally you know 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:18.080 the same value things like that. Yeah, so people don't 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.200 come in and manipulated. But there's it makes perfectly good 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:21.920 sense to do things like that, and that's how we 1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:24.120 do a lot of in holdings and places or through 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.800 things like land swaps. But you know, the part of 1:01:26.840 --> 1:01:29.920 the problem was in the original flipmoe or bill when 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:33.880 it talked about looking at lands suitiful disposal, it you 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.960 basically talked about lands were difficult to manage, isolated, It 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:40.760 didn't talk anything about recreational access. So you have a 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:44.920 situation where you may have a section sixty acres a 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.320 b land someplace nowhere near other BLM lands, but it 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:52.080 may be adjoining state lands or a national forest. Now, 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.720 in the old days, BLM would automatically put that parcel 1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:58.640 on the disposal list because it was isolated. It didn't 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:00.760 make it was hard to manage, didn't make sense in 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:04.080 terms of big picture agency management. But so what we 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.520 got Dave Bernhard to do was to change the rules, 1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:08.880 and he issued a secretary order on this three three 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.680 seven three that when you know, the agency comes up 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.960 and looks at area's suitable disposal, it's important for recreation, 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:20.160 including hunting and fishing, it's awful list. So it is 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:21.920 again and this is a direct result of some of 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.560 that on X work we've done. You know, that identifies 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:27.080 the sort of landlocked public lands, because if you're disposing 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:30.280 of some of these isolated parcels, you're impacting way more 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.320 than that one or that half section that may be 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:35.560 out there. And that's uh. Well, Eric Siegfried of on 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:38.920 X and I hunted a chunk this year that is 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:45.760 so prime, so prime for disposal or land swap because 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:51.560 it's surrounded by we're not talking mon pockheadle ranchers out 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:58.320 in eastern Montana were like big, big money um, and 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:03.680 you know, it's corporate holding type of situation and they're 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.360 not in it for the cattle. And this chunker ground 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:11.960 that we handed his great recreational value um. But it's 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:14.840 not something the BLM could even get in and manage 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:17.840 if it if the landowner around it decided that they 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:22.240 didn't want them to. Yeah, so wake up in hot 1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:25.880 sweats over something like that because it has tremendous wildlife. 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.560 You just think about like the fewer of the Wilkes 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:32.200 brothers in Idaho and now Montana, and you know, obviously 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:34.040 they're gonna if you know, they may have some lifes 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:37.360 parcels make sense to trade to the federal government, but yeah, 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:41.000 their exchange. Maybe you know that one section which allows 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:42.960 the public to get to that national force behind him, 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:44.480 If you get rid of that and make that private, 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:48.160 then essentially you privatize all that elk habitat behind him. 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.920 You can imagine the manipulations that go on. And so 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:55.040 now with that secred order basically prohibits BLM from doing 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:57.640 that kind of stuff, which is great and you know, 1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:59.680 I've a lot of credit to you know, Bernhardt and 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:01.640 Interior if you're doing that one now, i'd say on 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:03.160 also on the access front of the fact that we 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:07.960 got permanent reauthorization LWCF huge win for access. Uh yeah, 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:11.640 we now have again another result of this on X project. Yeah, 1:04:11.640 --> 1:04:14.960 which were acting or did he get he's permanent So 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:20.400 he did get confirmed. But what what about the acting 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:25.120 director of the BLM. Well that's the whole severe the 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.560 w p P. Yeah, so we'll hold off on that 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.520 one because there's still more to talk about here with 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:31.960 the access stuff. But you know, another thing we're doing 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:34.920 the project with ONYX. What we realized is that the 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:38.720 agencies often have no idea where they have legal accesses. 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:41.000 So they may have it may be you know, an 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:44.800 access easement that was granted forty years ago. You know 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:47.280 that's in the basement of some you know BLM or 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.200 four service office someplace in a cardboard file box. And 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:53.360 you know what Eric and the company found was that, 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:56.440 you know, there was a huge need to get that 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.920 information digitized and out in the public sphere because it's 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:02.360 makes it very hard for you or me or anybody 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.320 to know really where legal access aren't roots are now. 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:07.880 So we haven't a bill that's being gonna dropped in 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:10.960 Congress soon. It would give the agencies the money to 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:14.280 go in and expert digitization of all these access areas. 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.160 And you know that's something I testified in Congress on 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:19.040 you know, last year about the need to do this, 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:22.240 because what the agencies told us was it you know, 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:24.880 if we if we're left to ourselves under current time frame, 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:26.760 it will probably take us twenty years to get the 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:29.560 stuff all digitized. And that's just ridiculous. How often do 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:33.840 you testify in front of Congress? So TRCP and two 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:39.280 thousand nineteen testified five times. I personally did three. I 1:05:39.360 --> 1:05:43.280 think it fun. I mean if you sort of you 1:05:43.320 --> 1:05:45.400 know your stuff. And for us, it's not bad. I 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:48.200 mean they're they're no hostile. They don't like bust your 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.360 balls real bad now, Like I just did, you know, 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:52.680 right in December, I did a c w D you 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:54.440 know on the Senate side, you know, talked about that 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:57.760 with the Senate Environment Committee and it was super positive. 1:05:57.800 --> 1:05:59.480 I mean, you know, they had good questions, they had 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:03.520 done their home work. You know, everyone from Barrasso from 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:07.520 you know, Wyoming to Jill Brand from New York and 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:12.160 oh god, it's the guy who likes to be outside animals. No, no, no, 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:14.440 mean again, this is in the weird way. This is 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:16.600 one of those few issues that actually brings folks together 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:18.880 in Congress. And I'm not just saying C T, B D. 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:22.040 I'm saying that in conservation, hunting and fishing broadly. And 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:24.480 I remember right after the election when Trump got elected, 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:27.080 you know, Martin Heinrich came and talked to a policy counsel, 1:06:27.120 --> 1:06:29.760 which is the sort of collection of all the NGOs 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:33.120 are part of the partnership, and he said, almost nothing 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:35.080 is going to happen in Congress these next four years 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:38.080 this positive, other than what's in your space. So he says, 1:06:38.160 --> 1:06:41.800 you guys have an unbelievable opportunity. Don't waste it. And 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:44.040 you know, I think we've taken you know, his advice 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:46.200 on that one, and we've been pretty aggressive and asking 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:48.320 for things and honestly been getting most of what we've 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:51.640 been asking for. So I know, on the access thing, 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:54.280 I think that's been you know pretty much. Yeah, a 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:56.280 good story, because no matter what side of the aisle 1:06:56.320 --> 1:06:58.640 and you're on, you want to win if everything else 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:02.240 is such a pain in the neck and not likely 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:04.720 to get a win. One Plus, you just want to 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:07.760 show you can govern and uh and do something that's 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.840 important for your constituents. And it doesn't matter whether you're 1:07:09.840 --> 1:07:12.600 a Sierra Club member or a Safari Club member. I mean, 1:07:12.680 --> 1:07:15.760 these are things that you folks can agree on. Uh. 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:18.240 In our notes here we have v p A HIP 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:21.520 and three three seven three. Yeah, So three seven three 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:24.320 is that tectory order I just mentioned from Dave Bernhardt. 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:26.840 Vp A HIP is going back to the farm bills. 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:29.400 We got a program in the two thousand eight farm 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.600 bill at that time was known as open Fields, but 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:34.760 the technical name was a voluntary public Access Habitat and 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:38.520 Centives program. So this was a program that we just 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:41.880 got expanded to fifty million dollars annually, which are competitive 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:45.280 grants to states to negotiate walk in Easeyman's essention with 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:47.880 private landers. So you have, you know, a lot of 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:51.600 the actual money they can use and can they roll 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.720 it into their existing programs. Absolutely, so they'll need to 1:07:54.720 --> 1:07:56.640 start some whole new damn thing. But part of the 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:59.320 cool thing about the vp A HIP program is that 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:03.560 you have states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania that have created 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:06.080 walk in programs because all of a sudden, now there's 1:08:06.080 --> 1:08:08.880 a source of federal funding and you know, and they 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:11.240 can supplement it with their own ways if they if 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:14.280 possible exactly, and this has really started back and I 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:16.120 think Kansas was the first state that really did this 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:19.599 aggressively back with Steve Williams, who's you know, then became 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:22.960 Fishing Wilife Service Director under George W. Bush but it 1:08:23.040 --> 1:08:25.080 now runs wilde management and stupid. When he was Fishing 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:28.479 Game director in Kansas, they created this walking program, you know, 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.639 basically to get people out there, you know, pheasant hunting 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:34.000 and up on bird hunting, and it became so popular. 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:38.960 Counties were giving the states grants to create walking programs 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.000 in these areas. Real quick. What what's talking about is 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:43.840 pro and you know, depending where you are, your state 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:47.360 has one or needs one. It's programs are landowners are 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:53.080 compensated to get financial compensation UM to allow people public 1:08:53.120 --> 1:08:57.000 access to hunt fish on their lands. And these programs 1:08:57.120 --> 1:09:03.320 tend to UM are oftentimes UH hunting programs funded through 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:06.960 hunting or access programs funding through hunting fishing, Like we 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:08.919 have the beast thing in Montana right now in Montana 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:14.080 UM it's certain corners of license revenue fund the public 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:16.400 access programs. So it's not like you're going you know, 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:18.200 it's an internal thing. It's not like you're going out 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.559 in tax and everyone on the landscape to allow hunting. 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:25.920 It's something that that that hunters anglers are doing, you know, 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.280 kind of a ford themselves through their agencies, through their 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:30.600 state agencies, are with federal help. And the cool thing 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:32.960 about the v p A hip program is it is 1:09:32.960 --> 1:09:35.559 also tied to conservation, so you don't have the risk 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:38.040 of you know, some dude, you know, getting paid to 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:40.920 open up his road crops, you know, to hunting and 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:44.080 fishing where there's no no wildlife. So to the extent 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.320 of that pro that land has already entered into other 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:51.120 conservation programs c RP, CSP, you know, conservation easements, whatever 1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:56.839 it might be. They score higher, So there's the habitats 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.560 can be much better in these types of programs. The 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:01.840 other thing this is good about this is it takes 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:05.120 liability away from the private landowner. So if you know, 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:07.519 Cal trips and breaks his leg in a ditch, you know, 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:10.320 he's not going to sue the landowner. State assumes that liability, 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:15.720 so they will defend you know that, right, which not financially, 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:21.160 but I mean just like a shoulder to crutch. But 1:10:21.280 --> 1:10:24.800 the reason county would support this program, right is, I 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:30.360 can't tell you how many counties little townships we go 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.360 through where it's it's very obvious the only money that's 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:39.679 coming in is from recreation, whether that is hunting, fishing, floating, 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:44.479 it's a local motel, it's the local diner. All these 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:47.080 folks are benefiting from this. And that's why you find 1:10:47.200 --> 1:10:49.560 a Sioux Falls in November, and the big banner you 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:52.559 see is you leave the airport is welcome hunters because 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:56.960 it's such an economic driver. You station to Orange, the 1:10:57.000 --> 1:11:00.439 big orange bush signs going to a gas station with 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:02.839 the meat eater crew. They're gonna get heard on snacks. 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:09.400 I've noticed, uh, Phil play the noise? How do you 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:13.840 describe that noise? I haven't labeled as a swish like 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:18.640 yeah the swish? Okay c w D thumbs up. I 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.719 mean it thumbs down, thumbs down, thumbs down. It thumbs 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:26.400 down in two ways. It thumbs down. I'm guessing the 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:30.599 primary way it thumbs down is it's spreading more counties 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:36.000 all the time. I mean there's more testing revealing more spread. Yes, 1:11:37.200 --> 1:11:41.599 how else is it thumbs down? The unwillingness of most 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:43.880 politicians to accept this is a real issue and deal 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:46.280 with it. Why are they not scared shitless about what 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:50.559 this would mean for egg They ought to be everybody 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:52.240 sawing about like guys like me are like, well, what 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:55.360 if how horrible would it be? What if a human 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:59.840 got c w D? But why why is the livestock 1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:04.200 industry not considering what's gonna happen if CWD spreads into 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.720 sheep or cattle? It would be like a would be 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:09.400 like an egg apocalypse. Well, let's let's take it enough 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:12.000 step further. Let's say Norway is already banning the import 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.680 of agricultural products from cwdpositive areas because it's trying to 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:20.920 control CTB outbreak in reindeer in Norway. So how long 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:25.479 has it told the EU bands agricultural imports from CDB 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:28.960 depositive areas and as twenty six states right now have it. 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:31.920 That's a lot of CWD positive areas in NAG country, 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.120 and and they just aren't paying They're not paying attention. 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:37.640 So I mean, listen, I mean it's it's improving. They were. 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:39.840 We did I think three hearings this year in the 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:43.080 House on CDBD, so we're definitely making some progress in 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:45.720 the sense of getting people be aware of this. You 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:49.400 know Mark VS, who's a Congressman from Texas around that 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:51.360 Fort Worth area, who's going to get our big award 1:12:51.400 --> 1:12:53.439 this spring. You know, he went to the floor and 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:58.320 the agg during the appropriation RCP honors one Democrat, one Republican, 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:00.400 somebody from the private sector every year as a big 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:03.720 fundraiser in April. Steve got the Private Sector War a 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:07.720 few years ago. Uh this year, you know, the congressional 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:12.639 honorees are Mark Vsy from Texas and Garrett Graves, Republican 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.920 from Louisiana. But Mark VS went to the floor during 1:13:15.920 --> 1:13:18.719 the e appropriations bill and offered amendment to add fifteen 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:22.400 million dollars to go to state fishing game agencies to 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:24.760 help with surveillance and testing, which is the first thing 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:26.040 you need to do to get on top of c 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:29.800 w D. And that was unanimously adopted. So that comes 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:33.080 over the Senate, which is great and h then you 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.400 know the Senate Egg Appropriations Committee cuts that down to 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:41.200 five million of which half went to state state agriculture 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:45.080 departments for the captive services industry. So I'm to do testing. 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.559 Who knows, maybe do testing. I don't know. I mean, 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:51.920 we have no control to try to bigger. Well, that's 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:53.920 who knows what it's gonna be. Maybe it's maybe it's 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.840 gonna be used for good things. But given our skepticism 1:13:56.920 --> 1:13:58.320 a U. S D A and how they've dealt with 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:01.080 c b D, yeah, we have very little. They seems 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:03.120 like the one if you told me that let's say 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.400 there's two boxes. Let's say I'm on a game show 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:09.439 and there's two boxes, and behind each box is like 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:13.080 behind one box is a car, brand new truck, and 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:18.280 one box says c w D UM spreads to livestock, 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:22.080 and one box says c w D spreads to humans. 1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:24.800 And if I got the answer right, I'd get the 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.120 truck you're tracking me. I would absolutely be the live 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:31.160 stock one. Yeah, as much more. They have four legs. 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:35.400 It's now eating the same grass you know, all the rest, 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:37.720 and you think that I don't know why, Like so 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:39.559 see that's one of the things that messages me about 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:41.120 c w D is I look and I'm like, what 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:44.360 am I missing? If I'm scared shitless, but if those 1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:47.000 people aren't scared, maybe I'm wrong. Well, I mean, listen, 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:49.240 I mean you know there's a cottage industry out there 1:14:49.479 --> 1:14:51.519 of folks who are Jason saying this is a hoax 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:55.880 not to be believed. And I don't understand that part though, 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:57.680 I get it, Like I don't listen. I try. I 1:14:58.120 --> 1:14:59.920 try not to be like group think dude on this stuff. 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:03.680 How is it a hoax when a deer dies, is 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:07.120 laying there dead and it's got the symptomology, Like, where's 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:10.240 the hoax? Always been around, never jumped to humans, nothing 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:12.639 to worry about, did not come out of the captain 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:16.080 served industry, the captain deer farms have nothing to do 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:20.160 with the spread. Yeah, I agree with you. That's what 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:23.120 I tell everybody. I'm like, man, yeah, I hope I'm 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:26.479 wrong on a lot of things every day. But the 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:30.840 disease transmission stuff, your research, it's funded by the U. 1:15:30.960 --> 1:15:35.959 S d A. Like it all comes down like uh, Iowa, Ohio, 1:15:36.200 --> 1:15:39.519 all these egg schools. The U. S d A is 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:42.760 paying for a lot of that research. And yeah, it's 1:15:42.840 --> 1:15:46.920 it's bizarre to me. Okay, I'm trying to what's the 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:49.800 late Okay, Texas. How long When did Texas first get 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:52.000 c w D. I don't know. It was a while ago, 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:53.880 but it's done a much better job in the other 1:15:53.920 --> 1:15:57.719 states of controlling it. Texas that there was a recent case, 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:01.560 I think in December. But I'm saying I'm trying to 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:03.559 I'm trying to better understand, and I got a pretty 1:16:03.560 --> 1:16:06.200 good understand. Like a c w D denier used to 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.000 be someone who didn't think it was a thing. Now 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:14.000 a c w D denier is someone like this kind 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:17.200 of stuff changes like being I mentioned this a couple 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:18.720 weeks ago. Being a Republican used to be you were 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:22.439 like free trade. Now it doesn't. C w D denier 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:25.280 used to be that you didn't think it was a thing. 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:28.479 Now it's morphed into it's a thing. But it doesn't matter. 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.800 It's like what it means to deny, it has moved. 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:35.880 So the current thing are people are there people who 1:16:35.920 --> 1:16:42.439 are saying that a new state to get CWD solder 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:44.519 are they saying that if you went to Texas twenty 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:47.680 years ago and did all the monitoring, you would have 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:54.840 found it like it's always been there. Like what exactly 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:58.280 I don't want to try to get inside these guys heads. UM, 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:00.559 but I think that's probably gonna say it that's been 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.800 around that you could have you could have gone out 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:04.639 and if you did all this testing they were now doing, 1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:06.680 nobody was looking for it. Then yeah, like what you 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:08.160 know that The thing I think about you here, like 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:10.639 like Montana had his first case a year or two ago, 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:13.680 and then all of a sudden, you look like then 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:15.840 there's like twenty some cases. But I'm like, yeah, well, 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:18.840 all of a sudden, they're monitoring every deer that comes 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:22.680 out of certain areas, so you see a big increase, UM, 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:26.320 and then now at least have a baseline. But if 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:29.160 you go from zero testing to testing, that launch is 1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:31.240 going to give you an increase. What matters is after 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:33.880 five years of testing, what happens and you know you 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:37.439 talked to uh, you know, the beautiful and lovely Doug Durn, 1:17:38.120 --> 1:17:40.720 who's really out there in his area, is trying to 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:43.040 be impactful about this, and he's able to point to 1:17:43.280 --> 1:17:46.360 what is testing. Okay, we were doing exhaustive testing, so 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:50.679 we have multiple exhaustive testings to look at to see increase. 1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:54.000 But I just don't understand arguing that, um, that it 1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:57.519 was always there, because I'm like where, right, No, I agree, 1:17:58.280 --> 1:18:00.439 if it was always there, it wouldn't be everywhere. Yeah, 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:03.040 So the it's pretty clear, and you can look at 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:05.880 the maps that show the sort of spread and it's something. 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:10.000 There's something like it doesn't it spreads like how ship spreads. Yes, well, 1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:12.080 it spreads faster than ship spreads because you can throw 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:13.800 a captive deer in the back of a truck and 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:16.040 zip it across the country and you know, on a 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:18.920 Greyhound bus and you know, it's all of a sudden, 1:18:18.920 --> 1:18:20.720 you know, mixing with other deer and getting dropped off 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.320 here and getting one picked up there. So yeah, but 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:27.080 when I was saying, when you have a a new infection, 1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:29.560 you find a new infection, it spreads like in a 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:32.000 way you would imagine it would spread, like it's a 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:34.479 it's a circle that girls and girls and grows exactly 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:37.439 and you may pop up other places which you know 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.000 you scratch your head about, but you know that's the truck. 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.160 And let's listen, it's not just captive guys. Could be 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:45.000 you know, me throwing a truck deer in the back 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.479 of my pickup and driving a few states and addressing 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:49.400 it and dumping it there. Well, if you listen to 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:51.280 the guys that are really I don't want to use 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:56.960 the word the people who are sounding the greatest alarm. Um, 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:00.960 why is it not that you move to hay bail? Yep, 1:19:02.560 --> 1:19:05.360 Because the prions are in the hay bale there, in 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:07.800 the dirt they touch, you can't kill him. Why is 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.920 it not moving to hay bill? I mean, you're exactly right. 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:13.839 The frustrating part is an apple. I heard that recently 1:19:14.000 --> 1:19:16.519 members of Congress have staff and they ought to be 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:19.439 better informed on this. I mean I had a member, 1:19:19.560 --> 1:19:20.720 you know, say to me, well, at the end of 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:21.760 the day, I we just gonna have to cook our 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:30.600 meat longer. Yeah, well done. I think we should be 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:32.920 throwing you know what, if you're a guy, if you're 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:35.240 a denier, whatever the hell that means these days, God 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:38.320 bless you. Um. I feel like, if you're a denier, 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:40.040 you should be just saying. I feel like we should 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:41.680 throw a lot of money at it so I could 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:45.200 be proven right, right, dude. I I would when I 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:47.280 have an argument with someone, I would spend money to 1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:51.240 prove I'm right, So prove you're right. I think we 1:19:51.240 --> 1:19:52.760 should be throwing a lot of money at it because 1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:55.840 this is like a huge, mongous deal and it's not 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.840 a hunting deal, as you already it is. That's my 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.599 avenue into it. But I would but if you care 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:05.479 about even if you care about the livestock industry, and 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:10.719 I do, I'm like, you know, how's it going save 1:20:10.760 --> 1:20:13.840 a cow stop a condo? What's that? Bumpers? Yeah, like 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:18.200 col's not condos? Whatever? Yeah, dude. Yeah. So anyway, that's 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:20.320 been that's been really frustrating because we thought we had 1:20:20.360 --> 1:20:22.200 that fifteen million, then the Senate cut it down to 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:23.840 two and a half million, and you'd divide two and 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:27.160 a half million up between fifty states. Yeah, that's just 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:31.280 meaningless practically hilarious to think about when we talk about 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:33.320 these amounts of money. Then to think about like the 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:36.240 wealth held by person uh you know we're always talking 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:40.599 about like Pittman Roberts the money. Then um, like Jeff 1:20:40.600 --> 1:20:44.240 Bezos could Jeff Bezos could give that amount of money 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.000 every year and not and not notice it. Oh yeah, 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:50.160 that's hilarious. I said, I was working with those guys 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.760 in sacrament on the one game. Turned to me and 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.040 he's like, yeah, you know this issue. It's just not 1:20:55.439 --> 1:20:59.160 you know, there's not enough private money to fix this. 1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:01.599 And I was like, can you say, the dude who 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:06.280 owns this ranch owns three sports franchises. I think you 1:21:06.360 --> 1:21:09.760 just doesn't want to pay for it. All's all right. 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:11.840 What we gotta do is we gotta get Congress to 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:14.080 really step up on this issue. Now, they did kick forward, 1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:16.560 you know, one point seven two million. They're going to U. 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:19.800 S g s for additional research into CWD, and that's good. 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:22.760 There's also a National Academy Science study is gonna be 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:26.640 going into look at transmission vectors, look at the U. 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.040 S D A herd certification program, which is a joke, 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:31.880 and other things. So there's gonna be some positive stuff 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:34.040 that comes out of this year. But just given the 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:36.679 threat and how fast this thing is spreading, the notion 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:38.880 that you know, we're gonna you know, kick out two 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:40.880 and a half million dollars to state fishing walife agents 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:43.400 expect that to make a difference is just incredibly frustrating. No, 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:46.120 it is. You know, Yeah, when you wake up in 1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:48.639 a few years and you're watching news footage of people 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:51.240 are using heavy equipment to dig bassive trenches that are 1:21:51.280 --> 1:21:53.320 burning millions of sheep and cattle like you did from 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:59.439 Ireland when Mad Colin scrapy. Yeah, then you'd be like, uh, 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:04.640 pr modernization. This is I'm a little like Cal. I'm 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:08.920 a little I like if I'm a little skeptical. Yeah down, 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:11.559 So you love it? Thumbs up, you love it, Cal, 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:13.920 He's like thumbs even. No, I mean listen, I mean 1:22:14.000 --> 1:22:17.000 I originally had the same reaction you guys did. No, no, no, no, no, 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.320 I'm just skeptical, skeptical, curious. So let me give a 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:22.439 little background here so folks know what we're talking about. 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:25.160 So Pitt and Robertson program is the exercise tax that 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:29.559 hunters pay, you know, on you know, guns, MMO archery 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.400 equipment that basically funds you know, goes out to the 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:35.880 states and funds conservation. There's an equivalent on the fish side, 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.160 which was the Dingle Johnson program, then got changed the 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:42.960 right name for Dingle Johnson, Dingle Johns names, and that's 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:45.639 the exercise TAXI pittn. Robinson past I think in nineteen 1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:49.160 thirties six or thirty seven, Uh, Dingle Johnson past in 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:53.960 nineteen fifty I think. And so which kicks off more morning, 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:56.320 The fish and one, or the fishing tackle one or 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.320 the hunting equipment one. I think they're more or less 1:22:58.400 --> 1:23:01.320 even there are a lot more or fishermen, but the 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:03.920 hunters buy a lot more, especially Amo. Yeah, but the 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:06.360 fisherman man when they buy boat gas, they buy boat 1:23:06.400 --> 1:23:10.320 gas that goes by gas that's hit by an excise 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:13.840 tax exactly. So, but in the fish side they can 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.000 use a states can use a small percentage of that 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:19.479 for marketing, essentially to for the R three as we 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:23.880 call it, you know, to recruit, retain, reactivate anglers. So 1:23:24.000 --> 1:23:27.200 that's why you see things like they take Me Fishing program. Uh, 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:29.680 they've done a similar one reaching out Hispanic community of 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:33.160 almost the scar program. My Spanish is terrible, I apologize, 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.439 but those have really changed the decline and fishing the 1:23:38.960 --> 1:23:43.320 philis down that's like two years of French. So yeah, 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:45.840 three thumbs down if I could do so. Anyway, So 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:49.679 that the that take Me Fishing campaign has really reversed 1:23:49.720 --> 1:23:52.080 the decline and fishing numbers and it's going back up 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:54.599 and you know a pretty aggressive rate, and it's reaching 1:23:54.640 --> 1:23:57.839 a lot of you know, his communities like Hispanic community 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:00.439 that typically get you know, left in the crack you know, 1:24:00.560 --> 1:24:03.880 by our hunting and fishing community. So but because in 1:24:03.920 --> 1:24:07.600 the nineteen thirties, nobody could envision the need to advertise 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:10.960 and recruit hunters because basically had everybody was hunting at 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:12.960 that point, either because it was during the depression they 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.800 needed food or you know, post World War One going 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:18.080 into World War Two, you had a large ye like 1:24:18.120 --> 1:24:19.960 I don't know, like a quarter as many Americans, but 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:22.439 the same number of hundreds exactly. And so there was 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:24.519 no idea that we actually would need to use some 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.880 of this money for you know, the marketing. But you 1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:29.200 know that's changed and the fish Walleye surveys in the 1:24:29.280 --> 1:24:32.080 last year two surveys for five year period, hunting went 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:34.680 from you know, thirteen and a half million people to 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:37.080 eleven and a half I mean, and so you know, 1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:40.679 the long term impacts implications of that on conservation funding 1:24:40.680 --> 1:24:44.200 are huge. So we wanted to do like fighting the 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.840 animal rights movement absolutely, yeah, So what we want to 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:48.880 make sure is that we give the States the same 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:50.360 ability on the hunting side as you have on the 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:53.040 fishing side to use a small amount of those funds 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:56.280 for marketing. Now, I had groups like you know, Wildlife 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.800 Society and Wildlife Federation argue that money is dedicated for 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:04.280 bat you know, and a little pulls it off mission. 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:06.799 And I would say, we are in the desk spiral, 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.519 so you know, if you want more money for habitat 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:12.200 and good stuff coming out of PR, you better get 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:15.280 more hunters into the game. And that that's the argument 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.320 that swayed me because they were also trying to make 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.679 it that you could use PR money to create public 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:22.560 shooting ranges. You can already do that, you could know? 1:25:22.680 --> 1:25:25.000 That was like, but that was like recent. I don't 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:28.840 think so. No. I think you just might be the 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:30.920 first time in your life that I've ever known more 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.360 than you. This might be the first time I've ever 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:35.080 known more on you about something. But I think that 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:38.799 it was like PR money couldn't go to public shooting 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:41.280 ranges until something happened, like some point in time in 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:43.559 the last handful of years. Well, we'll figure that out. 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:45.560 You could be right about that. I thought, I know 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:47.559 that that would pay money to know that I'm right, 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:50.760 like I mentioned earlier, But let me but here's the thing. 1:25:51.560 --> 1:25:54.120 Here's what I remember about the debate. Debate was one 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:57.519 that everyone went out and shot old washing machines up 1:25:57.560 --> 1:25:58.840 out in the woods, and it was trying to like 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:02.320 get that centralise shooting so that everybody didn't have their 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.599 own patch of their own gravel pit where they went 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:08.559 and through cans and bottles and appliances out and blue 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:10.960 holes in it. So you're trying to reduce that, and 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:14.639 everything was did. It would if people have more places 1:26:14.680 --> 1:26:17.200 to shoot and feel more comfortable shooting, they're buying more 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:20.559 sporting this equipment, they're buying more ammunition and more money. 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:22.840 And so it was like viewed as like an investment 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.439 in the PR fund because most of the PR money 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:29.160 doesn't come from hunters. Most of PR money comes from shooters. 1:26:29.160 --> 1:26:31.320 If an old granny New Jersey has a pocket pistol, 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:34.120 she probably paid into PR exactly. She might be an 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:36.360 anti hunter, yea. And if you're a you're a decent hunter, 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.639 you're maybe do one box off m a year. That's 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:41.920 a guy that's a friend's mind. Like at the NSSF 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:44.400 they're laughing about is Um one of these guys Like, 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:45.880 you know, I hunt all the time. I got like 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:48.400 a gun that I got from my dad. I buy 1:26:48.479 --> 1:26:50.519 like a box of shells every few years. I'm not 1:26:50.640 --> 1:26:53.599 the guy kicking into this fund. The guy kicking into 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:57.240 this fund is shooting is two two three down the range. Now, 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.400 granted there's a lot of cross over there. Yeah, but 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:01.880 I mean just this funny point, and it's like hunters 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:04.679 are the ones that are eyes like pr PR pivot robbers, 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:07.360 and you know, a little bit blind like where the 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:09.439 bulk of that money is coming from. But I just 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:11.439 think we need to do something out there to you know, 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:15.080 engage attract people because you know, the demographics hunting are 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:17.680 not great either. I mean it's an old white and 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:19.639 getting older and at some point they're going to drop 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:27.000 off that cliff because Phil starting to hunt, how do you, Phil? Yeah, 1:27:27.000 --> 1:27:30.720 we're all set now I'll get at But you know, 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:33.000 and again we actually are seeing some good growth. I mean, 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.160 obviously women are coming into hunting, you know, in a 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:37.680 way they haven't in the past, which is great. I mean, 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:39.599 I think you guys have been instrumental as we're getting 1:27:39.640 --> 1:27:41.920 that food side of people coming into hunting because they 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:45.400 want to have harvest their own, locally sourced, high protein, 1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:48.680 non GMO meat. Yeah. So I think those areas are 1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:51.080 seeing growth, which is why you combine things like CWD, 1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:53.320 which is scary and may push people away from hunting. 1:27:53.840 --> 1:27:56.120 And and the fact that we haven't the all the 1:27:56.200 --> 1:27:59.000 advertise hunting you know those are you know, that's the 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:01.759 death spiral. So you love it. I love it two thumbs, 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:05.120 two thumbs. Oh not even kind of tipped to the side. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.200 And again you can't use No state is gonna yet 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:10.599 they can't. But no state would take all that money 1:28:10.640 --> 1:28:14.000 and just do advertising campaigns because that's not what they do. 1:28:14.960 --> 1:28:16.960 So it's just you know, that didn't happen on the 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:19.800 you know, the fishing side. So yeah, the Recreational Boating 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.719 and Fishing Foundation was funded through the Dingle Johnston funds, 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:25.400 the wallet Bro funds, and you know they get you know, 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:27.840 maybe like seven million dollars a year to run these 1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:31.439 big national campaigns on take me fishing. And it's worked 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:33.880 and we've showed this worked. Okay, Phil, play the sound. 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:37.720 If you want a primer on big grain migrations, you 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:41.000 should go listen to scroll back down through the episodes. 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:45.160 Here's a good research question for someone sitting here. Uh no, 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:47.439 I remember the name of it. Scroll back down and 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:50.400 listen to a podcast episode that we did called land 1:28:50.600 --> 1:28:55.320 Escape of Fear and it's a primer on big game migration. 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:58.639 So pause the episode right now before it starts talking. 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:02.760 Listen to Landscape of Fear, and then in a couple 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:05.080 of hours we'll see you as you come back to 1:29:05.240 --> 1:29:10.720 hear whether we has thumbs up or thumbs down big 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:15.920 game migrations meaning uh, basically, what that comes down to 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:23.040 is meaning the viability and productiveness of lands that are 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.800 used by migrating big game. They're used by big game. 1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:30.240 How do we how are we doing? We know a 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.040 lot more about it. That's because of what you learned 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:34.800 when you listen to the Landscape of Fear. Is like 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:37.479 how we're starting to learn about how animals use the 1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:41.800 landscape because of emerging technologies exactly. And this is something 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:44.120 that you know has really I think Wyoming to a 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.120 large degreece where pioneered this, you know, with a lot 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:48.120 of beginning with Path of the prong Horn, but then 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:50.880 a lot of stuff that Hall Sawyer and you know, 1:29:50.960 --> 1:29:53.600 guys like that have done in terms Matt Kaufman in 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.439 terms of the mule deer migrations, and not only did 1:29:56.479 --> 1:29:59.280 they get good data, they got such cool video footage 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.880 and really captured the imagination and national geographic picked it 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:04.640 up and pushed it out, and so all of a 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:07.840 sudden it became sexy. And then you know, Dave Bernhardt, 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:11.400 his predecessor, Ryan Zinky, you know, did a Secretary order 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:16.840 I think three to something like that that, uh, you know, 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:20.120 basically told the federal agencies within the Department the Interior 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:23.760 to work together to identify these migration corridors and to 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:28.040 take the conservation actions necessary to protect them. Yeah. When 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:30.640 you listen to Landscape, I fear there everyone that just 1:30:31.000 --> 1:30:34.479 rejoined us. You you'll remember the part where we're talking 1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:39.920 about with emerging technologies around GPS and and things, um, 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:46.759 identifying little things that could be patches of ground seventy 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:51.160 five yards wide along the edge of a lake that 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:56.080 literally hundreds of animals passed through. And the ability to 1:30:56.080 --> 1:31:01.759 be so targeted about like this little thing really matters. 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:06.280 It allows you to be It allows you be really precise. 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.000 You know. So we are arguing with the Department of 1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:11.720 Interior early on this. You know, this administration and are 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:14.200 you know, are encouraging them to do this. You know, 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:17.080 the points are pretty simple. I mean, it's an inter agency, 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:18.679 so you want to talk about you know, we're breaking 1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:21.240 down the silence between the different agencies, a state, federal, 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:26.920 private collaboration. It's you know, highly charismitic megafauna. It is 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:30.800 relatively small areas of actual conservation because you know, yeah, 1:31:30.800 --> 1:31:33.040 you're gonna need to protect some broader areas, but otherwise 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:35.840 it's just a pinch point here or there. And I said, 1:31:35.840 --> 1:31:37.640 you can use a bunch of other people's money, you know, 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:40.920 for example, in the transportation bill, the highway bill. You know, 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:44.200 we just got two and two and fifty million dollars 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:47.599 in the Senate version for an experimental program over five 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:50.960 years for highway crossings, for big game migrations, and for 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:53.679 aquatic connectivity. Are you weird? Are you awhere that those 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:56.560 are controversial? Well, I know they are in place like 1:31:56.640 --> 1:32:00.120 Island Parkatto. In general, No, they're not that controversial. Tell 1:32:00.160 --> 1:32:05.320 you where it is. The massive government take over this 1:32:05.439 --> 1:32:07.840 country really went downhill and they made an overpass so 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.160 so many animals didn't get killed on the highway. That's 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:12.880 when I knew America had I'd had enough of this country. 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.839 I want right to hit a deer if I can. Anyway. 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:17.760 I mean, most of the time it's not controversial, and 1:32:17.840 --> 1:32:19.479 I think that you know. So the way it happened 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:22.280 under this administration is they put out in order all 1:32:22.320 --> 1:32:25.040 Western states and focused on three species mule, deer, elk, 1:32:25.120 --> 1:32:28.320 and pronghorn. Told the states to nominate three to five 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:31.920 core migration corridors and you know, then the Partment of 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:35.360 the Interior would you know, basically commit resources to helping 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:39.439 protect those. Joe was a rumor. Uh, let me to 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:41.360 keep interrupting about this a lot, du because I'm doing it. 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:43.280 But it was a rumor that they're using it to 1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:48.439 um move the deer away from public hunting areas. I 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:52.080 hadn't heard that one channel them there. It's it's in viros, 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:56.720 channeling the deer into helping them pick routes where they 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:00.200 won't be uh subject to getting shot at. It was 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:02.040 it was hard training those initial gears with the tall 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:04.240 callers to go those different routs they've never been before. 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:07.200 After they got through that hurdle, then yeah, no, I 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:08.800 mean that's just you know, it's just that crazy talk. 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:11.120 This does even makes sense for everybody. And you know, 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:12.880 I think that you know, we've seen the you know, 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.320 the Highway bill is going to contain this program. We've 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:17.920 seen states you know, Wyoming, has you know, done, has 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:20.000 sort of been lead on this, but they're even Mark 1:33:20.040 --> 1:33:22.800 Gordon is doing executive order right now that you know, 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:25.360 is laying out how to formalize this process moving forward 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:29.040 as they designate new ones. Those big lefties over in Wyoming. Yeah, uh, 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:32.120 you know, Poles administration in Colorado pushed through an executive 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:35.200 order on migration quarters. So you're seeing it have ripple 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:37.559 effects in a variety of different states in the West. 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:45.120 On the one on one right, um to um. Yeah, 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:48.240 that the wildlife crossing over the one on one freeway 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:52.840 in California outside of l A, there's anything using it. Wait, 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:56.280 it's not going to be complete sometime this year, I think, 1:33:56.400 --> 1:33:58.240 is what they're saying. But that's the going to be 1:33:58.280 --> 1:34:03.200 the most expensive overpass in the United States imate we 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.080 heard from one guy. Never fact checked him on this, 1:34:05.160 --> 1:34:07.920 but an angry listener wrote in and I was talking 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:11.080 about all this money they spent building one. Maybes in 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:13.479 Washington State. Someone they spent a bunch of money building 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:15.560 one and then it just didn't work. I mean that 1:34:15.720 --> 1:34:19.680 was said like a coyote went over that. Never fact check. 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:21.720 You gotta give these things time. And you know, at 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:23.360 our net did a pretty good video that's on our 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:26.240 website that's one of talks about this. Yeah, you gotta 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:27.800 give them a little bit of time to work. A second, 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:29.639 you have to have fencing, you know, that goes along 1:34:29.680 --> 1:34:32.040 with them, because you have to funnel the animals towards this, 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:34.720 because getting to do something they don't normally do. But 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:37.200 you know, I think they they certainly in Wyoming, you know, 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:39.639 the evidence is overwhelming along with other places that once 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:42.160 they figure this out, they use them like crazy, and 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:44.280 not just you know, one species, but a host of 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:47.400 different space small mammals, birds preferred to fly over them. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:51.320 They've got like reptile crossings in New Jersey. Yeah, so 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:53.800 it's you know they've got you know, it makes sense 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:55.439 on a number of different levels. I remember when I 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.240 was a kid, snapper turtles eys get hit real bad 1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:00.880 when you're driving Nord to Mouskegan Marsh and um, they 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:02.680 put up this really low fence, like a knee high 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:04.840 fence that channeled snapping turtles into the right thing. I 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:08.320 remember people feeling mad about it, just like kind of 1:35:08.400 --> 1:35:12.799 like this, like those idiots. It's like and I remember 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:16.360 thinking like what, like what exactly is the problem, right, 1:35:16.640 --> 1:35:19.799 But it just insulted people that someone would spend effort 1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:23.840 to have lots of snapping turtles every June when they're 1:35:23.840 --> 1:35:26.840 going to lay eggs not get killed. They wanted to 1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:29.240 see them get killed. If you had a snapping turtle 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:31.200 in the middle of the night, it keeps you awake. Yeah, 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:33.519 and they're like insulted by I remember calling people in 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:36.960 my own family were like, I rolly about the fact 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:39.400 that you would try to keep all your snapping turtles 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:41.080 from getting crushed on the highway When they come up 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:43.479 to lay it's this giant marsh and it's like, really 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:46.720 for them, it looks like suitable nesting habitats. They need 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:48.200 to get out and dig a home in the sand. 1:35:48.880 --> 1:35:52.000 And you build this big artificial thing and every turtle 1:35:52.040 --> 1:35:53.640 in the area tries to come up there and get 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:56.200 smacked by a thing, and people are like, just I 1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:59.799 don't know, no, I don't know. Well, anyway, I think overall, 1:35:59.880 --> 1:36:03.160 the the migration corridor stuff has been really a positive thing. 1:36:03.280 --> 1:36:05.439 I think it's spreading and it's got good momentum, and 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:08.720 the exception of a few weird places, it's not controversial. 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:10.960 Something again that I think everyone can agree on that 1:36:11.120 --> 1:36:16.160 sure things though, fisheries i'd say mixed bag, you know, 1:36:16.280 --> 1:36:21.360 sort of sideways seat thumbs. You know. So a lot 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:23.439 of the fisheries one of the big issues with fisheries, 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:25.720 well we got you know, fisheries is a broad term. 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:27.400 You mean, there's fresh water to the salt water up. 1:36:27.880 --> 1:36:29.360 So you know, a lot of the folcus we've been 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:31.560 doing is on the you know, the saltwater side of 1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:34.160 the marine fisheries. Now, we did get a bill passed 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:38.360 and you know late last year the year before called 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:41.000 the Modern Fish Act, which for the first time recognized 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:43.840 that recreational fish should be managed differently than commercial fish. 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:48.000 Commercial fish, you know, are really managed for maximum stained yield. 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:51.400 So you're gonna you need instantaneous data. You're pushing that 1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.120 species right to the edge, and you have to have 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:55.519 really good data for that. And you can do that 1:36:55.600 --> 1:36:57.920 with commercial fishing because you have a limited number of 1:36:58.000 --> 1:37:00.799 ports and you can actually count the fish wreck fishing, 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:03.200 you can't do that. I mean, you have people spread 1:37:03.240 --> 1:37:07.320 out everywhere, a million little docks, marinas, and there is 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:09.439 always but you can't manage them the same way. So 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:14.160 instead of trying to you push that commercial management paradigm 1:37:14.240 --> 1:37:16.479 downe on the wreck fishing, which is what Noah National 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:20.760 Maale and Fishery Service has always done, and to the 1:37:20.800 --> 1:37:23.080 point where we're getting a ton of controversy and things 1:37:23.120 --> 1:37:25.640 like red snapper in the Gulf where the lack of 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:29.120 certainty on numbers were causing the agencies to shut down 1:37:29.160 --> 1:37:32.200 the fishery in nine days and seven days and three days. 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:35.000 So if you and I were planning a trip down there, 1:37:35.280 --> 1:37:38.320 we'd have no idea. We booked our hotel room, we 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:40.240 booked our guide with the season would actually be open 1:37:40.360 --> 1:37:42.799 or not. It's just not the way to manage recreational fishing. 1:37:43.439 --> 1:37:46.000 So Modern Fish Act passed and it did a few 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:48.519 different things, I mean the main one said to the 1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.040 National Marie and fisher Reservice, you have the ability to 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:55.719 try these different things that may work better for recreational fishermen. 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.960 Let's use the waterfowl model. Yeah, So go out and 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:01.080 you do surveys and the Arctic of what the breeding 1:38:01.120 --> 1:38:02.840 populations are going to be. You look at how many 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:05.519 ducks get shot, and then you set a season. You 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:07.120 know when it opens, you know what the bag them. 1:38:07.160 --> 1:38:09.680 It's going to be the end of that season to reevaluate. 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:12.400 Now you have to be pretty conservative and for that 1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:15.000 to work because you can't be way off or else 1:38:15.080 --> 1:38:17.800 you just crush the species. So honestly, it's better for 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:20.479 conservation anyway, if you were to apply that model for 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:22.160 breck fishing, which is the same way with the model 1:38:22.200 --> 1:38:24.120 we do on fresh water fisheries, you know, be at 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:26.880 largemouth bass or trout or anything else. I mean, there's 1:38:26.880 --> 1:38:28.280 a bag limit, you know what it is. You know 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:30.360 when the season starts, you know when it ends, And 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:32.599 we just haven't been doing that recreational side. So now 1:38:33.120 --> 1:38:34.760 that's gonna get changed. And a lot of these sort 1:38:34.760 --> 1:38:36.840 of hot button fisheries, and the hot button fisheries are 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:39.160 the ones where you have nicked stocks. So part of 1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:42.200 its commercial, part of it's recreational, red snapper being a 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:46.599 classic case. The all recreational stocks, things like red fish, 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:49.839 you know, bone fish, tarpin, those are all well managed 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:53.679 because they're managed with that same sort of precautionary principle 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:57.040 that we managed water fell with. And so so we 1:38:57.120 --> 1:38:59.840 finally got that changed. Now the agencies, in the process 1:38:59.880 --> 1:39:01.880 of going through a bunch of rulemaking, determined how it 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:03.840 might use that and there are different ways you could 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:05.679 do it. You could do a tag system, you could 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.040 do you know, these bag limits. You could do fathom 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:11.640 limits where you know, outside for ground fish under a 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:14.960 certain levels, wreck fishing outside of its commercial that's like 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:17.160 in Washington's a lot of things like you can fish 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:20.519 within at different times a year, within certain depths, so 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:22.360 you deal with a lot of the bycatch issues with 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:24.720 things like that. Yeah, so it's us being a little 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:27.200 bit more creative. But the agency, because that wasn't the 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:29.080 way it was used to doing things on commercial side, 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:30.840 was always very reluctant to do that. Now it has 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:32.640 a green light to do it. The other thing that 1:39:32.720 --> 1:39:35.360 the agency was where you're reluctant to do was to 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:39.120 use you know, different data collection techniques. So it would, 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:43.080 you know, do telephone surveys and mail surveys asking you 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:46.360 how many fish you count, you know, last summer, which 1:39:46.400 --> 1:39:49.439 needless to say, we're not highly accurate, highly accurate, not 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:54.760 instant talking to a bunch of let me tell you 1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:56.920 about this one in particular, take your arm off. So 1:39:57.040 --> 1:39:58.920 the state's got so frustrated with that's a bunch of 1:39:58.960 --> 1:40:01.800 the states period their own and basically you know, yeah, 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:05.840 iPhone based systems where you're basically doing instantaneous reporting. You 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:07.880 don't have to tell where your honey hoole is, but 1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:09.960 you tell, you know, how many fish you caught, what 1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:12.519 general size, and you know. So all of a sudden 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:14.840 you have, you know, this instantaneous data on the wreck side, 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:18.080 which the agencies had never had before. And so part 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:19.880 of what the Modern Fish Act did was again give 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:22.439 them a National Maine Fisheries Service the green light to 1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:26.519 use these alternative data mechanisms, you know, to manage the fisheries. 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:29.960 And l a creole is one Louisiana. There's a separate 1:40:29.960 --> 1:40:32.120 one in Florida. There's a separate one in Texas. But 1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:34.040 they just make a ton more sense than you know, 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:37.920 this modern age than a telephone survey months after the fact, 1:40:38.880 --> 1:40:44.360 I mean, the telephone series in Montana. I wholly buy 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:49.559 into the system. I do, but every year I'm like, uh, yeah, 1:40:49.880 --> 1:40:54.640 you got a buck? Well what region um? And what 1:40:54.880 --> 1:41:02.560 unit my aunt's place? You know? Okay, do you know 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:07.679 this that um in South like at our fish shack 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:11.240 and in Southeast Alaska. No, there's just like an order 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:21.400 to come down no nonplagic rock fish whatsoever. God, those 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:24.559 things are tasty. I saw the yellow I mean obviously yellow. 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:27.720 No non player. I think it's to protect the yellow eye, 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:31.479 but no non plagics, which has major implications for US fishing, 1:41:31.520 --> 1:41:35.040 because you're gonna be no matter what you're doing, you're 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:36.680 pulling up a lot of rock fish, you're gonna be 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:38.679 like sending a lot of rockfish down to the bottom 1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:41.840 with release devices. Yeah, and no more targeting yellow eyes. 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:44.519 I bought a new Damn Rod four jigging yellow and 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:48.360 talk about an easy getting a kid fishing fish. Yeah. 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:50.320 But I've been putting a lot of energy into um 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:55.639 pioneering some new green ling and flounder spots. So it's gonna, 1:41:55.760 --> 1:41:58.120 you know, Brodie Henderson, right now it's timey some flounder flies. 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:01.680 Uh say, may do. We're still gonna we're we'll still um, 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:06.639 we'll still put some food on the plate. Yeoh okay. 1:42:06.720 --> 1:42:08.880 So uh I just got sent this last night a 1:42:08.920 --> 1:42:16.599 Texas Parks and Wildlife apparently just um try a case convicted. Yeah, 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:22.280 I got fined twenty six thousand dollars for being sixteen 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:28.519 or seventeen red snapper over the limit from last year. Yeah. Yeah, 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:30.840 that's that's as far as I got into it, So 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:38.080 that's I got right. So obviously red snapper is pretty 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:40.680 hot button for a while, and it's I think a 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:42.680 lot of the controversy and when it snappers calmed down. 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:44.760 Since you know this, you know, the Modern Fish Act 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:47.360 passed and basically the FEDS turned over management to the 1:42:47.400 --> 1:42:49.880 States and the States are doing a good job. Tell 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:53.600 about the Manhattan deal. So man hayden Is is the 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:55.960 basically the base of the food chain on the East Coast. 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:58.000 It's also in the Gulf. It's a little fish, it's 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:02.000 called bunker, it's called pogy and super oily. You don't 1:43:02.040 --> 1:43:03.880 want to eat it, but everything else wants to eat it. 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:07.200 And the bat fish of choice, right, great fish of choice, 1:43:07.280 --> 1:43:09.400 and not just for you know, striped bass and wheat 1:43:09.439 --> 1:43:12.879 fish and blue fish, but for whales, for eagles, for osprey, 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:15.680 you name it. And that's one of my that's one 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:18.000 of the areas where I have least experience hanging around, 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:23.880 like the Atlantic. All right, we can that part of it, 1:43:24.640 --> 1:43:26.960 that chunk of the Atlantic. So you know, in the 1:43:27.240 --> 1:43:30.880 in the old days, back in the nine hundreds, there 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:33.519 were these you know, basically reduction industries up and down 1:43:33.520 --> 1:43:35.479 the East coast, and the reduction industries will go out 1:43:35.520 --> 1:43:39.479 in the perse se reduction so they would catch these 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:41.920 you know, the man Hayden, bring them back, grind them up, 1:43:42.000 --> 1:43:47.599 reduce them to fish food, to pellets, to fish oil, 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:51.000 fertilize er, to variety of others. So you go down 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:53.599 to the drug store and buy ere olmate, you're you're 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:56.800 eating probably man haden, your your fish oil pills. Yes, yes, 1:43:56.880 --> 1:44:00.240 which are useless, but it's fine, um yeah, so over 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:04.120 time because it keep you alive forever. So you tell 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:08.000 me that that the supplementary, I have no drug industries 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:11.080 lied to me. I actually have no idea a way 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:13.599 outside my comfort zone on that. We call that big Vita. 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:16.760 Big Vitas lied to me. So back in the turn 1:44:16.800 --> 1:44:19.080 of century, you had these reduction fisheries up and down 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:21.160 the East coast and to the point where they almost 1:44:21.240 --> 1:44:23.840 wiped out Manhadian and basically almost wiped out everything that 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:26.320 eats them because big schooling fishing just get on them 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:28.280 and claw room. Right, yeah, I mean the way it's 1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:31.040 done today and today so basically a state by state 1:44:31.200 --> 1:44:33.880 band started banning this type of fishing. Only one state 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:35.960 still allows it in the Atlantic and that's Virginia and 1:44:36.040 --> 1:44:39.599 has one plant owned by a company called Omega Seafood, 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:42.640 which was recently purchased by cook which is the you know, 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:47.160 they they have big aquaculture salmon farming, no different cooking. 1:44:48.479 --> 1:44:51.080 They have salmon farming operations on the Atlantic up in 1:44:51.120 --> 1:44:53.559 Canada and Maine. They have had a mountain Puget Sound. 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:55.439 They got kicked out of Washington State because are such 1:44:55.479 --> 1:44:58.439 bad actors. Tons of Clean Water Act violations, tons of 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:01.960 escapements for Atlantic salmon and steel that habitat. So not 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:04.720 a great company. But anyway, they own Omega, so one 1:45:04.800 --> 1:45:06.800 plant still owns it. You can imagine when that guy 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:09.280 gets sitting around and complaining big cigar in his mouth, 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:12.599 I'd love to hear it. So anyway, so this one plant, 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:16.040 you know, catches eighty plus percent of all the commercial 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:19.200 Menhayden in the Atlantic, and it has your big boats, 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:23.519 has Spotter plant. The only fishing Virginia waters they can 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:26.000 fish in, you know, so federal internet. So they go 1:45:26.080 --> 1:45:30.439 outside three miles three miles that three to two hundred 1:45:30.439 --> 1:45:32.519 that's the federal waters. So they can do out there. 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:35.000 And then they also been fishing there. It's three to 1:45:35.120 --> 1:45:38.880 two d oh, where to get seventy miles from something 1:45:38.920 --> 1:45:43.160 that it's based off the bank, like with the drop off. 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:45.760 Maybe this was all done back and then you know 1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:49.000 when Magnuson Act came into early in the nineties seventies, 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:52.120 go off R three miles you can catch menhaden and 1:45:52.160 --> 1:45:55.800 federal waters. Yeah. Oh, then he's going off anyone's coast. 1:45:56.960 --> 1:45:58.720 So that's where you was front page of New York 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:01.599 Times past year because you know, they the big bunker 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:04.040 schools were up there off a long island, and whales 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:06.240 and all the whale watching boats were out there, you know, 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:09.680 watching this spectacle of nature. And here comes Omega with 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:12.160 a spotter planes and it's a little you know, big 1:46:12.600 --> 1:46:15.600 factory ships and this you know, this persone boats and 1:46:15.680 --> 1:46:18.120 comes out circling around them, scooping them up, while the 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:21.080 whales are out there hitting them, and while the recreational 1:46:21.120 --> 1:46:25.559 angles around the spite stripe bastard blitzing them. Everyone's pissed. 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:28.960 And here it goes gets brought back so ground up 1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:30.720 in a fish food to be sent to Canada to 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:37.160 feed alcuaculture salmon, another totally unsustainable industry, and to get 1:46:37.240 --> 1:46:40.560 shipped back into the US you know. It's so you 1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:44.240 can buy salmon that has an ingredients list on it. Yeah, 1:46:44.439 --> 1:46:45.840 you know when you buy salmon and you see this 1:46:45.920 --> 1:46:48.320 gut ingredients because like normally you don't need a label stuff. 1:46:48.360 --> 1:46:50.840 But since they died, it red and all sorts of 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:55.880 antibiotics should say sam yep sam with the asterix. So anyway, 1:46:55.960 --> 1:46:58.000 so Omega we've been trying to do is change the 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:01.759 way men Hayden are managed to go from single species management, 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:04.040 which is basically how many fish can you kill before 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:07.400 you crash the stock, to an ecosystem management, meaning what 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:09.960 does the ecosystem need? And then based on that, how 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:12.720 many can take out without messing things up. And that's 1:47:12.720 --> 1:47:15.000 probably gonna happen this coming year. And it's been a 1:47:15.080 --> 1:47:18.960 pretty nasty fight all along. Meantime, this past year, OMEGA 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:21.960 decided it didn't like, you know, the federal limits, the 1:47:21.960 --> 1:47:25.320 Atlanta States Marine Fisheries Commission limits on Man Hayden and 1:47:25.400 --> 1:47:27.439 so it just decided to give a big middle finger 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:29.840 to the agency and went in and blew through its 1:47:30.120 --> 1:47:33.240 cap for the chest Peak Bay and so caught you know, 1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:39.120 millions of extra pounds of fish. So they were I 1:47:39.200 --> 1:47:41.479 think expecting and who knows what was inside their head 1:47:42.040 --> 1:47:44.400 that you know, they could go to Secretary of the Interior, 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:47.519 Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross and get him to waive 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:50.320 any sort of penalties. Now, you know, we as the 1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:53.240 wreck fishing community as well as Atlanta States Marine Fisheries 1:47:53.320 --> 1:47:57.360 Commission and every single state on the Atlantic, including Virginia. 1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:01.920 Because the recent governor does not like that fishery voted, 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:05.200 you know, to basically find Virginia and Omega out of 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:09.439 compliance and penalize them. So that fishery Virginia itself find 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.720 yes absolutely and so that you know, Wilbur Ross, to 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:16.400 his credit, you have rule in favor of the commission 1:48:16.840 --> 1:48:18.960 and shut down that fishery. Now that doesn't really mean 1:48:19.000 --> 1:48:21.000 anything because the fisher is shut down the winter anyway. 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:24.160 This just happened in December, um. But what it means 1:48:24.240 --> 1:48:26.080 is that now the state has to come into compliance 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:28.479 and there's gonna be a penalty for all those fish 1:48:28.560 --> 1:48:30.400 extra that it caught out of the Chesspeak Bay. It's 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:33.200 going to get reduced that from its overall quota. Now, listen, 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:34.360 I think they ought to be kicked out of the 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:36.760 Chesspeak Bay altogether. I'd love to see this, you know 1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:39.240 type of fishing end. If bait fishermen want to do 1:48:39.360 --> 1:48:42.400 man Hayden, that's great. I mean, we've so wiped out 1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:44.720 herrying fisheries. A lot of lobstermen in Maine and other 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:46.760 places are looking for other bait. Man Hayden is a 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:49.559 logic one for that. All four using that. That's awesome 1:48:50.880 --> 1:48:54.320 going up to Maine for lobster basing. So you're saying 1:48:54.360 --> 1:48:56.439 like that, like like small scale stuff like that, but 1:48:56.520 --> 1:48:59.640 you're saying like the industrial harvest, yeah exactly, Yeah, I 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:02.120 mean the big reduction fisheries, which where you grind them 1:49:02.200 --> 1:49:05.000 up and you know, tourna into oil and pellets. That's 1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:07.720 just it just doesn't make any sense now. And the 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:11.320 crazy thing on this too is that you know, Omega 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:14.439 decided during this process to add political weight to its 1:49:14.520 --> 1:49:17.160 cause to get it self certified on the Marine Stewardship 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:20.519 Council as sustainable, which doesn't make any sense. For a 1:49:20.600 --> 1:49:22.559 host of reasons. We fought that. You know, they got 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:24.360 it on the Atlantic, and they got it in the Gulf, 1:49:24.400 --> 1:49:25.840 and there's not even a catch limit in place in 1:49:25.880 --> 1:49:28.639 the Gulf. I mean, it's totally the wild West down there. 1:49:28.920 --> 1:49:32.600 And you know, so it's just crazy. So anyway, but 1:49:32.760 --> 1:49:35.160 what it has done is galvanized the fish community, the 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:39.120 fit recreational fish community behind this cause. We won on 1:49:39.240 --> 1:49:42.080 the compliance fight in the Atlantic and the chest Peake Bay. 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:45.120 You know we're gonna win. I think on ecological management, 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:46.880 changing the framework, and then we need to go down 1:49:46.920 --> 1:49:49.639 to the Gulf and put hard cash limits in place 1:49:49.720 --> 1:50:00.800 down there. Okay, Phil Pebble mind man minds two thumbs down. 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:03.840 So we thought this thing was, you know, pretty much dead, 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:06.040 and you know we're putting nails in the coffin a 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:08.960 few years ago. It's been hard to track, it's been 1:50:09.000 --> 1:50:12.800 hard to follow. So issue fatigue, well there's some of 1:50:12.840 --> 1:50:16.120 that too, but let's a things. This is one thing 1:50:16.240 --> 1:50:19.080 where it is a sea change from the last three years. 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:22.439 So the administration, I think, to their credit, basically put 1:50:22.520 --> 1:50:25.080 up some very hard sideboards on any mind that could 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:27.080 be developed in an area, which can you can you 1:50:27.120 --> 1:50:29.599 give people not just real quick bring people up speed, 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:31.479 Like when when people say pedal mind, what are they 1:50:31.520 --> 1:50:33.320 talking about? They're talking about? One would be one of 1:50:33.360 --> 1:50:36.280 the world's largest open pit mines at the headwaters in 1:50:36.320 --> 1:50:39.200 a golden copper mind headwaters of the two most productive 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:43.240 sak I salmon rivers in North America, the Queejack and 1:50:43.280 --> 1:50:46.200 the new she Gack in the world in the world. 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:50.720 So you know, they're basically it's the backbone of a 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:54.280 half billion dollar a year commercial fishery which it creates 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:57.040 a surface lake of highly it creates it would create 1:50:57.080 --> 1:51:00.800 a surface lake of highly contaminated water. They would have 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:06.240 to be maintained in perpetuity, an active fault zone behind behind, 1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:11.599 you know, an empowerment structure that this water would never 1:51:11.720 --> 1:51:15.120 be cleaned and you would need to keep it in 1:51:15.240 --> 1:51:18.280 place because should it. And not only that, because of 1:51:18.400 --> 1:51:20.320 what would eventually be the size of the c M. 1:51:20.479 --> 1:51:22.320 And you're gonna have to put in not only roads 1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:26.560 and harbors, but you know, utility basically power plant, and 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:29.839 you're going to open up an entire area to other impacts. 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:34.240 So and this is like from moose hunters, salmon fisherman, 1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:38.479 bear hunters. Everybody hates this, a couple of people except 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:42.080 for some Canadian speculators who want to know basically, this 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:45.200 Northern Dynasty which is a company that's pushing this. Yeah, 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:47.800 once essentially sort of you know, to make a bunch 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:49.479 of money on this thing, sell it off to somebody else, 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:52.640 and get out of the business. So anyways, it was 1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:56.720 on life support. Then Presidents the story hasn't and I 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:58.920 have no idea if this is true. President Stuffs on 1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:02.240 his way back from North Korea, stops to refuel on Anchorage, 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:05.080 Alaskan governor who likes the mind, likes any story of 1:52:05.080 --> 1:52:08.120 development project, spends time with him on Air Force one. 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:11.519 Trump goes back to d C, tells EPA to make 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:14.160 this thing happen, and the core of engineers and all 1:52:14.200 --> 1:52:16.920 of a sudden, the core of engineers, which takes six 1:52:17.040 --> 1:52:19.800 years for a restoration project to do the permitting in 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:23.040 a place like Florida or Louisiana is you know, has 1:52:23.120 --> 1:52:26.760 never moved faster on any project ever. And we're gonna 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:30.360 basically moving creaning toward approving the permit on this, you know. 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:32.880 And you're right about now. Now they've kicked it back 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:36.120 a few months because everybody, including the State of Alaska, 1:52:36.360 --> 1:52:40.639 including Lisa Makowski, including Department of the Interior, have said, WHOA, 1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:43.840 your analysis is woefully inadequate. You're not looking all these 1:52:43.880 --> 1:52:47.280 potential impacts. So but we still think the core of 1:52:47.320 --> 1:52:50.320 engineer is going to issue a permit, which means litigation 1:52:50.439 --> 1:52:52.640 is going to begin. But what it also means is that, 1:52:52.840 --> 1:52:55.040 you know, the mining company, Northern Dynasty may get an 1:52:55.040 --> 1:52:57.760 infusion of cash because the stock price is bound to 1:52:57.800 --> 1:52:59.920 go up at that point, and it makes this thing 1:53:00.120 --> 1:53:02.160 far more viable than it's been any time in the 1:53:02.200 --> 1:53:08.360 past fifteen years. Yeah, I don't want to say about 1:53:08.400 --> 1:53:11.519 this crazy bet I have about pebble mind, I'm not 1:53:11.560 --> 1:53:15.360 gonna tell you about it, okay, with my sister in law. 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:18.720 It's a brutal thing. Like you're talking about a landscape 1:53:18.760 --> 1:53:23.280 where you couldn't maintain a kiddie pool out there from 1:53:23.560 --> 1:53:26.559 overflowing or rupturing for any amount of time. I mean, 1:53:26.640 --> 1:53:30.799 the groundwater is on the surface and then the surface 1:53:30.840 --> 1:53:34.680 water comes down and freaking day louse buckets constantly. It's 1:53:36.120 --> 1:53:38.240 an active fault zone. I mean, you have volcano was 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:41.479 erupting within, you have seventy five miles so but I mean, 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:43.280 and listen, there are a lot of places in Alaska 1:53:43.320 --> 1:53:44.800 to make total sense for mining. There are a lot 1:53:44.840 --> 1:53:46.760 of really good minds in Alaska. This is not about 1:53:46.800 --> 1:53:49.639 being anti mining. This is about about the worst place 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:52.200 you could ever pick to put a mind, is the 1:53:52.280 --> 1:53:55.240 top of Bristol Bay. Well, I'm curious to see. Um. 1:53:56.360 --> 1:53:58.160 I don't say this lightly, and I wouldn't say about 1:53:58.160 --> 1:54:00.080 a lot of things, but I'm curious to see a 1:54:00.280 --> 1:54:07.280 role that civil disobedience would come into play were they 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:13.520 to actually go in and break ground to start extracting resources. 1:54:14.280 --> 1:54:16.479 It's become such a line in the sand issue for 1:54:16.600 --> 1:54:22.519 such a broad array of individuals from the native community, 1:54:23.600 --> 1:54:29.800 Native Alaskans, sportsman, commercial environmentalists, commercial fishermen. I wonder if 1:54:29.880 --> 1:54:33.720 it would be that there would be UM. I just 1:54:33.920 --> 1:54:35.680 feel like if it's not like that, this would be 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:38.840 the kind of thing that inspire civil disobedience. It's so 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:41.640 hard though, because it's like, look at where it is, 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:45.000 you know, like the winner population of King sam and 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:50.080 Alaska is like very very few. The summer population in 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:54.440 anything that would probably be hard to make a human 1:54:54.560 --> 1:54:56.640 chain out of that too. No, no, but it's like 1:54:57.280 --> 1:55:01.080 if if if we can't pretend, I think people look 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:03.320 at as a lion saying issue, because if you can't 1:55:03.360 --> 1:55:06.880 protect Bristol Bay, if it's not worth protecting Bristol Bay, 1:55:06.960 --> 1:55:10.640 than people will be like, so that means nothing is 1:55:11.320 --> 1:55:14.080 that wasn't good enough. Yeah, that mean that would mean 1:55:14.120 --> 1:55:16.760 to a lot of people like we're okay, We're just 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:21.920 we're done because nothing is sacred. Yea. Anyway, this is 1:55:21.920 --> 1:55:23.520 gonna just you know, I don't think they're gonna be 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:26.680 breaking ground anytime soon. This is gonna be extensively litigated 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:30.240 if the permit is issued. So you know, and yeah, 1:55:30.280 --> 1:55:31.640 part of us, you know, running out of the clock 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:33.600 and hope you got a more friendly administration and that 1:55:33.680 --> 1:55:35.600 we'll you know, actually do something good for Bristol Bay 1:55:35.720 --> 1:55:40.040 or the current administration change tack, which is entirely possible. Yeah. Yeah, 1:55:40.280 --> 1:55:42.200 he listened to the public opinion on a lot of issues. 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:47.320 I just gotta hit him on the Twitter feedlook, thumbs in, 1:55:47.600 --> 1:55:50.040 thumbs out down. You know, I think we're gonna get 1:55:50.040 --> 1:55:52.440 some stuff done. Um yeah, I mean it's gonna play 1:55:52.680 --> 1:55:56.080 feel you got you got the noise in there, um 1:55:56.280 --> 1:56:03.520 you know the noise. Yeah. Uh. Obviously you have two 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:06.880 things that are gonna make progress on anything difficult, impeachment 1:56:07.000 --> 1:56:11.040 and the election progress on anything anything. Do you wish 1:56:11.080 --> 1:56:13.240 the impeachment hadn't happened just because it makes everything so 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:15.840 hard to do? There's not something you're comfortable getting into it. 1:56:15.920 --> 1:56:18.000 I'm not going to get into that one. So I 1:56:18.080 --> 1:56:20.080 just think that it is what it is now, the 1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:21.760 way it happened, I gotta deal with it, and we 1:56:21.800 --> 1:56:23.520 gotta deal with that another way. The rules are set up, 1:56:23.560 --> 1:56:26.400 they're gonna basically the impeachment sounds like they're gonna convene 1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:28.640 at one o'clock every day, so which means we have 1:56:28.760 --> 1:56:30.080 some period in the morning to get a little bit 1:56:30.120 --> 1:56:34.520 of business done. But basically it's, uh, you know, it's 1:56:34.640 --> 1:56:37.680 a different distraction. So I know that I'll just tell 1:56:37.680 --> 1:56:40.120 you what this isn't what talking to me talking what's 1:56:40.160 --> 1:56:44.160 been frustrating about this thing is going through is something 1:56:44.240 --> 1:56:51.280 that you know it won't happen. It's not gonna happen, 1:56:53.600 --> 1:56:57.400 that's all. Ye. It feels to me like like let's 1:56:57.400 --> 1:57:00.400 say I was gonna um, I'm like, I'm gonnag hole 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:05.360 and Cow's like, uh, no, matter how how much you dig, 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:07.640 I will fill that hole back in. And I can 1:57:07.800 --> 1:57:10.760 get I can guarantee you that I will fill the 1:57:10.840 --> 1:57:12.800 hole back in. But I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna do 1:57:12.800 --> 1:57:16.640 it anyway, and then spend a bunch of money doing it. 1:57:17.880 --> 1:57:21.160 We'll go on. So again, you could be right, but 1:57:21.280 --> 1:57:22.960 it is what it is, and we're gonna work around it. 1:57:23.360 --> 1:57:27.680 I am right. In election year, you know, there you 1:57:28.400 --> 1:57:31.120 really have until say they May to get stuff done, 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:34.240 and then everything gets too tied up with politics, and 1:57:34.320 --> 1:57:37.320 then you have another window after the election until you 1:57:37.360 --> 1:57:39.640 know the new colors, and some radical stuff can happen 1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:42.920 during that wind. So the first of all, you're trying 1:57:42.920 --> 1:57:44.560 to clear the deck of a lot of easy stuff 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:46.520 in the right now in the next month or two, 1:57:47.120 --> 1:57:49.760 and I think that you know, I'm sorry, real quick, 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:55.440 how much time Okay, the impeachments going on now? You 1:57:55.480 --> 1:57:57.160 know the Senate trial is going on now and not 1:57:57.320 --> 1:58:00.800 yet but it will start some time soon. So how 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:03.640 much so forget that part of it. How much time 1:58:03.720 --> 1:58:07.920 of activity do we have before the election cycle just 1:58:08.080 --> 1:58:12.400 throws everything into chaos and May end of May and 1:58:12.840 --> 1:58:15.200 then everybody's just thinking about that. Yeah, I mean here 1:58:15.280 --> 1:58:17.800 you made some few things odds and ends get done, 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:21.400 but basically it's just everybody's out campaigning. It's too political, 1:58:21.880 --> 1:58:24.360 so everything gets put on hold until after the election, 1:58:24.400 --> 1:58:26.920 in which case you when you come back at a 1:58:27.040 --> 1:58:29.360 buttload of stuff gets done between you know that first 1:58:29.400 --> 1:58:32.680 week in November and the new Congress gets whether it's 1:58:32.680 --> 1:58:37.360 an outgoing whether it's an outgoing administration or an empowered administration, 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:39.760 it doesn't need to worry about re election. Yeah, man, 1:58:40.080 --> 1:58:42.200 you have the dynamic of what happens with the Senate, 1:58:42.280 --> 1:58:44.280 what happens with the House, what happens to the president. 1:58:44.840 --> 1:58:46.520 But at a minimum, you know, it's a place so 1:58:46.600 --> 1:58:49.160 you can get a bunch of stuff done. And because 1:58:49.200 --> 1:58:50.800 you have retiring members and there are a lot of 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:53.440 them on you know, on both sides. Yeah, who are 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:55.120 going to say, you know that? All right, there's a 1:58:55.200 --> 1:58:56.720 chance so I don't actually have to be political. I 1:58:56.720 --> 1:58:58.040 can do us right for a change because I'm not 1:58:58.160 --> 1:59:01.160 run from election and you know, get stuff done there. 1:59:01.880 --> 1:59:04.040 So anyway, I think there are some opportunities. I mean, 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:05.680 I think there is a you know, sort of broad 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:08.920 wildlife billy know that we've been you know, putting through 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:11.640 that has you know, really a bunch of non controversial stuff. 1:59:12.040 --> 1:59:16.720 Knock a reauthorization North American Wetlands Conservation Act, which funds 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:20.200 wetland restoration and protection around the country. It's about funded 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:24.600 about fifty million dollars. That gets reauthorized they're creating a 1:59:24.640 --> 1:59:28.200 CWD task force. Um, there is the National Fish and 1:59:28.200 --> 1:59:33.200 Wildlife Foundation reauthorization, the authorization of a National Fish Habitat Bill, 1:59:33.280 --> 1:59:35.480 which is essentially the fish equivalent of the North American 1:59:35.520 --> 1:59:39.560 Wetlands Conservation Act. All this stuff is non controversial and 1:59:39.680 --> 1:59:42.960 has been passed by committees or by houses or one 1:59:43.000 --> 1:59:44.920 body or the other. This is all going to get 1:59:44.960 --> 1:59:48.000 bundled and doing right now. We expect to actually to 1:59:48.000 --> 1:59:50.360 pass the Senate last night, it didn't, probably passed today, 1:59:50.760 --> 1:59:52.760 then go over to the House. So this becomes you know, 1:59:52.800 --> 1:59:55.600 a bunch of good stuff which is not controversial and 1:59:55.640 --> 1:59:58.600 everybody agree on. We can get that done quick. So, 1:59:58.920 --> 2:00:01.960 you know, I think that's good. Besides, I mentioned the 2:00:02.040 --> 2:00:04.800 fact that Murkowski wants to do an energy bill as 2:00:04.840 --> 2:00:07.640 soon as basically impeachment wraps up before things get too political. 2:00:08.080 --> 2:00:10.000 That may be another opportunity for a bunch of public 2:00:10.080 --> 2:00:12.880 lands provisions. Um. You know, so I think there will 2:00:12.880 --> 2:00:14.640 be some things like that to get done, but a 2:00:14.720 --> 2:00:15.920 lot of the focus is going to be on the 2:00:15.960 --> 2:00:18.960 election and what happens after the election. And honestly, what 2:00:19.080 --> 2:00:21.840 you know TRCP will do is, yeah, we will start 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.880 developing we'll do it for scenario planning. You know, if 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:28.120 Trump loses, if Trump wins, if the Senate flips, Senate 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:30.920 doesn't flip, all these different scenarios, and that's sort of 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:33.240 you know, how are you going to keep conservation at 2:00:33.240 --> 2:00:35.040 the front of and then what do we need to 2:00:35.120 --> 2:00:36.680 do and what are the priorities and how do we 2:00:36.720 --> 2:00:38.800 present them? I mean, climate is going to be a 2:00:38.840 --> 2:00:42.520 big issue because you know, even you know, the denier 2:00:42.680 --> 2:00:45.280 is recognizing that they can't, you know, not deal with 2:00:45.360 --> 2:00:47.520 this for very much long. Yeah, I would imagine, I 2:00:47.520 --> 2:00:51.480 mean everyone does. I mean if if the administration I 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:53.600 mean never mind, like what will happen in the House 2:00:53.640 --> 2:00:56.160 and Senate if the administration is switches, there's gonna be 2:00:56.200 --> 2:00:58.520 a ton of I'm guessing a ton of Climate Act. 2:00:58.560 --> 2:01:00.280 I think even if it doesn't switch to is gonna 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:02.320 be a bunch. If you look at the polling, Yeah, 2:01:02.400 --> 2:01:04.839 you look at Republicans under the age of thirty, climate 2:01:05.000 --> 2:01:07.520 is number one or one of the top issues. So 2:01:07.960 --> 2:01:10.960 you know the party is has to deal with that 2:01:11.120 --> 2:01:13.240 younger folks who recognize this as an issue and need 2:01:13.320 --> 2:01:15.680 to deal with in some fashion. So I think you're 2:01:15.920 --> 2:01:18.120 now you're not going to see a green new deal maybe, 2:01:18.440 --> 2:01:22.080 but you're going to see particularly on them come in again. 2:01:22.520 --> 2:01:23.960 What you're going to see though, I think there's things 2:01:24.000 --> 2:01:26.120 that folks again generally agree on. Yeah, you gotta reduce 2:01:26.120 --> 2:01:28.040 some missions, but you also have to do an investment 2:01:28.080 --> 2:01:32.840 on land sequestration, adaptation, resilience, and those are things that 2:01:32.920 --> 2:01:36.200 our community loves, that are great for fishing, wildlife, and 2:01:36.400 --> 2:01:38.480 that I think Democrats and Republicans can agree on. So 2:01:38.520 --> 2:01:41.080 you could see some smart climate package with that sort 2:01:41.120 --> 2:01:43.920 of focus moving forward. So I think there are gonna 2:01:43.920 --> 2:01:45.600 be some opportunities moving forward. A lot of it is 2:01:45.640 --> 2:01:48.680 what we do this year is positioning ourselves for one 2:01:48.680 --> 2:01:52.920 and beyond. You know what's interesting is uh in uh 2:01:53.240 --> 2:01:55.760 coming up pretty soon. Through my kids schools, there's this 2:01:55.920 --> 2:01:59.240 night where they can go do It's like this technology night. 2:02:01.200 --> 2:02:03.160 My wife understands better than I do, but anyways, she 2:02:03.240 --> 2:02:05.920 was preventing. She was presenting that with them, the menu 2:02:06.240 --> 2:02:08.120 of things, because you go down and you pick like 2:02:08.400 --> 2:02:11.760 four seminars. Your kids pick four seminars they want to 2:02:11.760 --> 2:02:15.040 go to in our um seven year old, nine year 2:02:15.080 --> 2:02:17.320 old were picking what seminars they wanted to go to 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:19.600 this night and you roll through them, and that the 2:02:19.640 --> 2:02:22.400 seminars are like the life a year in the life 2:02:22.440 --> 2:02:30.440 of a grizzly sturgeon, migrations, um thing about developing computer apps. 2:02:30.480 --> 2:02:32.680 It's like some while half wildlife stuff at half nine 2:02:32.680 --> 2:02:34.600 wild life stuff. And one of the things was this 2:02:34.720 --> 2:02:40.040 sort of like climate change primer. Um, my daughter very 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:44.320 readily pick that one along with the other ones you 2:02:44.360 --> 2:02:48.600 wanted to do, and um, my boy, without much uh, 2:02:48.800 --> 2:02:52.560 without too much persuasion, added the climate one in with 2:02:52.840 --> 2:02:58.600 one about Native American games, and uh sturgeon. I really 2:02:58.640 --> 2:03:01.640 wanted him to go into waterfowl migration, but he didn't 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:05.120 do that one. You can only win so much. But 2:03:05.280 --> 2:03:07.000 it's uh, it was a thing that they're aware of. 2:03:08.160 --> 2:03:09.960 This morning we woke up the check muskrat traps and 2:03:10.080 --> 2:03:12.760 dark and it was warm out. And my son goes this, 2:03:12.760 --> 2:03:17.840 because all the garbage, you're confusing two issues. But let's 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:21.560 talk about that quick question. Are the kids referring to 2:03:21.640 --> 2:03:25.720 these as seminars. It's gotta be like, I haven't heard 2:03:25.840 --> 2:03:28.960 them use the word seminar. It was more presented them 2:03:28.960 --> 2:03:30.840 to like, you're going to this, I assigned you, we 2:03:30.920 --> 2:03:32.360 signed you up for this thing. You need to pick 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:36.560 which one sound good, And so we read over dinner. 2:03:37.160 --> 2:03:38.520 My why, I don't know. There's a dozen things that 2:03:38.600 --> 2:03:40.840 choose from whatever. She read through all the descriptions and 2:03:40.880 --> 2:03:42.640 then put their initials by the ones, and they had 2:03:42.680 --> 2:03:46.240 too many, so they had to narrow it down Sturgion migrat. 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:49.000 I think Sturgeon migrations was top. I told him, you 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:51.800 gotta go down and then come tell me what you learned. Yeah, 2:03:51.840 --> 2:03:54.400 I like it. I like it. I'm just gonna be 2:03:54.520 --> 2:03:56.640 real confused if I show up at the house and 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:00.400 your kids are like so cal when it saw a 2:04:00.440 --> 2:04:04.200 seminar the other day. I don't know they'll frame it that. 2:04:05.400 --> 2:04:07.160 I'll be curiously how they tell you about they will 2:04:07.200 --> 2:04:09.240 tell you about it. I don't know what what they'll use. 2:04:09.240 --> 2:04:11.960 I don't think they'll use seminar. They're probably like a thing. 2:04:12.160 --> 2:04:15.680 Maybe we were at a thing, went to a show. Uh, 2:04:15.760 --> 2:04:18.120 you know, it's funny day. We're out, you know, in 2:04:18.320 --> 2:04:21.280 dark checking muskrat traps dark and we're into spot where 2:04:21.320 --> 2:04:24.440 there's a you know that flex pipe it's like eight 2:04:24.480 --> 2:04:27.640 inch flex pipe plastic and it's coming out of that 2:04:27.640 --> 2:04:29.600 there's a chunk where it's coming out of the ground 2:04:30.120 --> 2:04:34.160 and snakes across the ground and it goes in onto 2:04:34.200 --> 2:04:36.600 the ice on a pond someone's doing like some kind 2:04:36.600 --> 2:04:40.880 of drainage project. And we're hanging around there near there 2:04:40.920 --> 2:04:43.520 in the dark. And then later, my four year old 2:04:45.080 --> 2:04:47.600 it's talking about what's up with the big animal with 2:04:47.680 --> 2:04:51.440 the big tail? And then you can mean a muskrats 2:04:51.480 --> 2:04:54.720 a big long tail, And I'm like, the muskrat, no, huh, 2:04:55.800 --> 2:04:59.200 you know the one that can't move? Can can we 2:04:59.320 --> 2:05:02.560 bring that home? And so I get confused. We're about 2:05:02.560 --> 2:05:04.240 a hundred yards away, and I give him a flash 2:05:04.320 --> 2:05:05.640 that I'm like, I have no idea, Tom, let's go 2:05:05.640 --> 2:05:07.520 back and take a look. And we go back and 2:05:07.560 --> 2:05:10.880 he shines the light at that black flex pipe, twelve 2:05:10.920 --> 2:05:14.320 ft of black flex pipe running between the dirt and 2:05:14.400 --> 2:05:19.520 the ice, and he's like, that thing, that's what what's uh? 2:05:19.600 --> 2:05:23.880 You know what animal has that tail? Big one? That 2:05:23.920 --> 2:05:25.800 would be I would not be standing here were that 2:05:25.880 --> 2:05:30.920 in animals. That's chunk flex pipe. He thought it had 2:05:31.000 --> 2:05:36.240 got frozen in so hard that it was just stuck. Yeah, 2:05:36.560 --> 2:05:42.200 what's your state of waterfowl right now? Getting real interesting 2:05:42.280 --> 2:05:48.400 waterfowl again, And it seems like there's the data between 2:05:48.520 --> 2:05:53.640 migratory waterfowl against like our songbird data right now is 2:05:54.640 --> 2:05:59.440 oddly in opposition, so where it's like, well, we've lost 2:06:00.000 --> 2:06:05.240 billions of songbirds in the United States, but waterfowl it 2:06:05.280 --> 2:06:07.720 seems to really be kicking ass with the exception like 2:06:08.480 --> 2:06:13.120 pintails seemed to be taking a hurt. Um Geese in 2:06:13.160 --> 2:06:15.760 the Atlantic Flyer right now are actually down. There's one 2:06:16.640 --> 2:06:20.760 one bird limit in chest Big Bay of Maryland. Interesting. 2:06:21.080 --> 2:06:22.720 So no, I think that you know the answer is 2:06:22.840 --> 2:06:24.280 that you know, we pay a lot more attention to 2:06:24.320 --> 2:06:26.600 war Fell because we have dedicated we have hunters, we 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:29.840 have dedicated funding for it. It's a priority, whereas you 2:06:29.880 --> 2:06:32.400 know songbirds, you know it's not. And which is really 2:06:32.520 --> 2:06:35.640 there's another bill in Congress called the Restore American's Wildlife 2:06:35.680 --> 2:06:38.280 Act that would put some dedicated funding toward these non 2:06:38.360 --> 2:06:41.800 game species which the states have responsibility for managing but 2:06:42.040 --> 2:06:45.160 really have no dedicated resources to manage. So no, I 2:06:45.240 --> 2:06:47.920 agree with you, is that I think the situation probably 2:06:47.920 --> 2:06:49.440 on a bunch of the songs, even worse than we 2:06:49.520 --> 2:06:55.040 think because our data is pretty poor. Real quick is 2:06:55.080 --> 2:06:59.000 it quick? Is it possible to explain like why from 2:06:59.000 --> 2:07:03.960 a conservation stand point, what's up with ethanol? So like, 2:07:04.040 --> 2:07:06.200 I get it, but I get it a little bit. 2:07:06.280 --> 2:07:08.960 But but tell me what why is ethanol? Part of 2:07:10.480 --> 2:07:12.320 why does it matter? From from what we're looking at, So, 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:14.960 ethanol has a long and checkered, uh you know, sort 2:07:14.960 --> 2:07:17.800 of environmental history. It was regally created, you know, both 2:07:17.840 --> 2:07:21.880 to supplement markets for farmers, but also when during the 2:07:21.920 --> 2:07:26.480 oil crisis, as you know, a you domestically produced transportation fuel. Yeah, 2:07:26.480 --> 2:07:28.480 you better explained, like from the high, high level what 2:07:28.560 --> 2:07:30.640 we're talking about. Yeah, so this is basically you take 2:07:30.720 --> 2:07:34.040 corn and you can do with other cellulostic you know, plants, 2:07:34.600 --> 2:07:36.560 and you convert it into a fuel. And it's the 2:07:36.600 --> 2:07:38.960 same way you make alcohol. In factor, with ethanol, you've 2:07:38.960 --> 2:07:40.800 got to put a denaturent in let's keep people from 2:07:40.880 --> 2:07:44.000 drinking it. So it's you know the same as grain alcohol, 2:07:44.160 --> 2:07:46.320 you know, and it runs pretty well in cars and 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:48.680 you have been used for years, going back to Henry 2:07:48.760 --> 2:07:51.760 Ford as a transportation fuel. You can have race car 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:55.200 drivers use it or methanol in some of their cars today. 2:07:55.840 --> 2:07:58.800 But the issue became and when you know, Congress basically 2:07:58.840 --> 2:08:02.560 created an ethanol man and under the renewable fuel standard 2:08:02.640 --> 2:08:06.800 which expires and I think two essentially ten percent of 2:08:06.800 --> 2:08:09.200 the nation's gasolting fleet has to be ethanol. Now, the 2:08:09.360 --> 2:08:13.879 goal had been originally that that transition from corn ethanol 2:08:14.000 --> 2:08:18.400 to cellulosic ethanol over time, switch grass cud zoo and 2:08:18.440 --> 2:08:19.880 who knows what the hell you make it out of, 2:08:20.320 --> 2:08:24.040 but something other than sure do it for it. I mean, 2:08:24.040 --> 2:08:25.880 it all depends on the starch content I guess of 2:08:25.960 --> 2:08:30.000 the where the plant is. But the problem is that 2:08:30.200 --> 2:08:33.120 that's that transition has never happened and stayed with corn ethanol. 2:08:33.160 --> 2:08:35.280 And when you had that time of like go go 2:08:35.520 --> 2:08:38.520 corn prices, you know, we lost you know, six million 2:08:38.600 --> 2:08:42.600 acres of pasture and grassland to cut road crops. It 2:08:42.720 --> 2:08:45.680 was that ethanol mandate. It was largely driving there. So 2:08:46.440 --> 2:08:48.880 a lot of you know, you know, pheasant hunters, duck 2:08:48.960 --> 2:08:52.400 hunters can't stand ethanol because they see it the mandate, 2:08:52.480 --> 2:08:58.560 as creating basically an artificial incentive to convert habitat for corn. 2:08:59.760 --> 2:09:01.360 And you know a lot of the you know, urban 2:09:01.520 --> 2:09:03.960 you know folks that don't like high food prices see 2:09:03.960 --> 2:09:06.800 it as you know, an abomination too, because it's food 2:09:07.320 --> 2:09:10.640 that's now going to a fuel in basically subsidized way. 2:09:11.360 --> 2:09:14.040 So now I felt a lot more strongly about it. 2:09:14.160 --> 2:09:15.840 You know, when you know prices were high and we're 2:09:15.840 --> 2:09:18.840 seeing all this conversion, it's it's hard to you know. 2:09:19.280 --> 2:09:21.720 You know again, right now, nothing's gonna happen before the 2:09:21.760 --> 2:09:24.760 renewable Fuel Standard comes back up for Congress and Congress 2:09:24.840 --> 2:09:27.000 decides what to do with it. But when you go 2:09:27.160 --> 2:09:30.160 back to the dismal state of the farm economy right now, 2:09:31.120 --> 2:09:33.080 you know, I just think that you know, even groups 2:09:33.120 --> 2:09:36.320 that you don't like the ethenal mandate are backing off 2:09:36.320 --> 2:09:38.560 a little bit right now because it's just hold, yeah, 2:09:38.720 --> 2:09:40.200 because you just don't want to do anything else to 2:09:40.280 --> 2:09:42.400 make you know, life even worse. In agg country. When 2:09:42.440 --> 2:09:45.680 you see a gas station with giant signs talking about 2:09:45.880 --> 2:09:50.320 ethanol free, are they performance, Yeah, that's that's an issue. 2:09:50.320 --> 2:09:53.360 That's that's not them being pro or pro or against 2:09:53.480 --> 2:09:56.800 or whatever. So the a lot of the old equipment, 2:09:56.920 --> 2:10:01.360 especially things like chainsaw snowmobiles, yeah, couldn't handle ethanol. So 2:10:01.480 --> 2:10:04.240 you had when it was first moved into the gas 2:10:04.280 --> 2:10:06.680 stream at ten percent blends, there were a lot of 2:10:06.720 --> 2:10:09.400 problems with some of those, you know, small engines particular. 2:10:09.880 --> 2:10:13.200 Now all those there's talking about how you could get 2:10:13.240 --> 2:10:15.240 good boat gas there now, so all basically you know 2:10:15.720 --> 2:10:18.720 today you know all you know, essentially modern engines can 2:10:18.760 --> 2:10:22.200 deal with timbercent ethanol. The problem is that the ethanol industry, 2:10:22.280 --> 2:10:25.400 which is pretty greedy, has been trying to get the 2:10:25.600 --> 2:10:28.560 you know, the blender percentage kicked up to and e 2:10:28.640 --> 2:10:31.400 p A has approved that now at fifteen percent ethanol. 2:10:31.760 --> 2:10:34.200 You could have a very modern outboard engine on your 2:10:34.880 --> 2:10:37.520 twin two fifties, on your big boat going out off shore. 2:10:39.520 --> 2:10:43.840 It'll screw that up to ethanol. Now in theory, you know, 2:10:43.920 --> 2:10:46.160 it ought to be labeled, and especially marinas won't be 2:10:46.240 --> 2:10:48.360 selling it, but a lot of guys will fill up 2:10:48.360 --> 2:10:50.560 the gas can and take it out to their boat 2:10:50.600 --> 2:10:53.280 and pour it in, and it does really bad things 2:10:53.320 --> 2:10:56.400 to engines. And again it's just another sort of artificial 2:10:57.040 --> 2:10:59.879 subsidy that we really shouldn't be doing. National Marine manufact 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:05.600 Is Association American Sport Fishing Association have lobbied vigorously increasing 2:11:05.640 --> 2:11:08.360 that ethanol percentage in ghastly because of what it does 2:11:08.440 --> 2:11:13.720 to marine engines. No, kid, yeah, that's interesting, thank you. 2:11:14.120 --> 2:11:16.600 Answering some of my own questions, but it's been improved. Anyway, 2:11:16.800 --> 2:11:20.920 avoid E fifteen on anything in your outboard engines. They're 2:11:20.920 --> 2:11:24.160 hat our our small engine expert with Bosburgh and I've 2:11:24.200 --> 2:11:26.440 just tapped the extend of my knowledge HU small engines. 2:11:27.840 --> 2:11:30.280 All right, man, Any final things, any concluders, any final 2:11:30.320 --> 2:11:32.480 things we didn't get to know. I mean you kind 2:11:32.480 --> 2:11:35.000 of you were influential and making our list. Yah know, 2:11:35.080 --> 2:11:37.120 I think I first of all, I appreciate you guys, 2:11:37.160 --> 2:11:39.280 you know, actually paying attention to stuff and caring about 2:11:39.280 --> 2:11:41.520 it because you know, again, most people rather talk about 2:11:41.760 --> 2:11:44.160 you know, dear stand placement or you know, hunting Coustier 2:11:44.160 --> 2:11:48.840 in Mexico or whatever it is. But yeah, this is Yeah, 2:11:48.880 --> 2:11:50.680 this is the backbone of you know, what we have 2:11:50.760 --> 2:11:52.400 in this country in terms of hunting and fishing. And 2:11:52.400 --> 2:11:55.440 if we don't pay attention to this, we're gonna lose it. Yeah. Well, 2:11:55.480 --> 2:11:57.160 thank you for paying attention to it. Well, thank you 2:11:57.200 --> 2:11:59.000 guys for paying and thank you for coming on. Um, 2:12:00.520 --> 2:12:03.240 we should just schedule it regularly, but it can't be 2:12:03.320 --> 2:12:06.600 like once a year. Maybe do a midyear check in 2:12:06.960 --> 2:12:09.640 six months check up. You know what. Every time my 2:12:09.720 --> 2:12:11.160 kids go to the Dannis, I'm gonna have you on 2:12:12.280 --> 2:12:14.440 all my six months stuff will just have like the 2:12:14.680 --> 2:12:18.840 like Dennis, I'll be associated with family paying. That's good, okay, 2:12:19.200 --> 2:12:21.920 be good. Like election cycle to be like all right, 2:12:22.000 --> 2:12:26.560 here's our conservation minded candidates. Yeah, you know what, maybe 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:29.480 you'll come on you want to talk about getting people pissed, 2:12:30.760 --> 2:12:34.320 is if you come on right before you come on 2:12:34.440 --> 2:12:36.840 right before election time. I think I'm gonna appointed that 2:12:36.880 --> 2:12:42.800 one after the election time. Come on, Hey, we're five 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:47.000 one C three, We don't that's true, Yeah, that's true. Yeah. 2:12:47.240 --> 2:12:50.240 As as t RCPs a nonprofit organization, you guys don't 2:12:50.320 --> 2:12:52.040 you guys don't play. We don't have a C four, 2:12:52.080 --> 2:12:53.960 we don't have a pack, so we just don't get engaged. 2:12:55.000 --> 2:12:57.160 And you guys work. You guys work work. What I 2:12:57.240 --> 2:13:03.760 like about t RCPs you're you're respectful of of bipartisan 2:13:03.840 --> 2:13:08.160 process and you strive to be just like as effective 2:13:08.200 --> 2:13:12.280 as as humanly possible. Well, I think that's a niche 2:13:12.320 --> 2:13:14.440 our community has always had, and I think that's you know, 2:13:14.440 --> 2:13:17.040 when Jim Range created the organization back in two thousand two, 2:13:17.200 --> 2:13:20.000 that's was his idea and I think it stands through 2:13:20.080 --> 2:13:22.360 today that you know, these are issues that auto unite 2:13:22.360 --> 2:13:27.400 and not divide, and they shouldn't be political. Yeah, but 2:13:27.560 --> 2:13:30.200 you hate fishing and nothing. Yeah, well then they're political. 2:13:33.640 --> 2:13:36.360 All right. Thanks again. Oh, Cal, do you have a concluder? Oh? 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:39.880 I just I don't sure say on it. I can't. Oh, 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:41.680 I got this for being in a ski race and 2:13:42.040 --> 2:13:45.120 Sun Valley. You're commemorating the fact that Sun Valley was 2:13:45.400 --> 2:13:48.880 what formed a six. I just feel like this is 2:13:48.920 --> 2:13:51.440 a comfortable sweatshirt. I feel it's probably formed the millions 2:13:51.480 --> 2:13:56.680 of years ago. Cal. Uh Yeah, yeah, a highly volcanic area. 2:13:56.720 --> 2:14:00.440 It's pretty young. It was just flat till nineteen thirty 2:14:00.440 --> 2:14:03.240 six and then it became a valley. That's fun, says 2:14:03.280 --> 2:14:08.160 sun Value. Um. Oh, I think on the on the 2:14:09.080 --> 2:14:12.040 your selection of political candidates, I just like to tell people, 2:14:12.080 --> 2:14:16.280 it's like you're gonna always gonna have to fight for something. Right. 2:14:16.400 --> 2:14:20.800 So you have somebody who you feel is going to 2:14:20.880 --> 2:14:25.520 give you an easy out on a topic, You're still 2:14:25.560 --> 2:14:28.040 gonna have to If you select that person to vote 2:14:28.080 --> 2:14:30.600 for and they make it in, you're still gonna have 2:14:30.720 --> 2:14:32.800 to push them on the other things that you believe 2:14:32.880 --> 2:14:35.040 in it. So this is just the way it works. 2:14:35.160 --> 2:14:37.280 One plus, part of our job is to educate. I mean, 2:14:37.520 --> 2:14:39.840 you have less and less members of Congress coming from 2:14:39.920 --> 2:14:43.040 rural America. I mean there are some much more suburban 2:14:43.240 --> 2:14:46.000 urban you know focus now and so if you know 2:14:46.120 --> 2:14:47.520 some members says to you, we're just gonna have to 2:14:47.600 --> 2:14:49.960 cook or and meet more for CWD. That's not because 2:14:49.960 --> 2:14:52.160 they're a bad person, just because they don't understand, and 2:14:52.200 --> 2:14:53.880 that's up to us to educate them. But I think 2:14:53.880 --> 2:14:56.960 that people when it comes to selecting UH candidates that 2:14:57.000 --> 2:14:58.400 you're gonna vote for, I think a lot of people 2:14:58.440 --> 2:15:02.040 look like I picked my purse and and then I 2:15:02.320 --> 2:15:06.160 look to them to see what I think about anything, right, 2:15:06.280 --> 2:15:08.920 So like I just go with what they say. Another 2:15:08.960 --> 2:15:12.000 way of looking, as you pick your person, you're you're 2:15:12.000 --> 2:15:14.480 balancing out. You're making a selection one between two things. 2:15:14.600 --> 2:15:17.760 You pick them, and then I'm gonna pick them, and 2:15:17.840 --> 2:15:20.680 then I'm gonna move them in my direction on all 2:15:20.760 --> 2:15:23.200 the things I don't agree with them on or work 2:15:23.280 --> 2:15:26.000 my hardest. And people get uncomfortable with that because they 2:15:26.080 --> 2:15:29.400 think that when you that your selection of a candidate 2:15:29.600 --> 2:15:34.160 is basically you're saying that's me, rather than saying part 2:15:34.200 --> 2:15:36.080 of that's me. But I really need them to move 2:15:36.160 --> 2:15:37.680 my direction on a bunch of other stuff, and I'm 2:15:37.680 --> 2:15:39.640 gonna do everything I can in my power to make 2:15:39.720 --> 2:15:42.520 sure that the whole that things move in my direction. 2:15:43.120 --> 2:15:46.520 I'm choosing you as the person that I want to 2:15:47.280 --> 2:15:52.440 then be heard from and and get you to see 2:15:52.480 --> 2:15:58.720 my side. Uh. Good, feels good. What's your shirt about? Phil? 2:16:00.520 --> 2:16:02.760 You got a wine shirt on? And this is my friends. 2:16:02.920 --> 2:16:06.320 My friend runs a winery in Kalispell, Tailing Loop Wines. 2:16:06.520 --> 2:16:08.320 Check it out next time you grow the grapes up there. 2:16:08.400 --> 2:16:10.320 He buys them from somewhere else. She brings them in 2:16:10.480 --> 2:16:13.880 from different parts of Washington and and puts them in 2:16:13.960 --> 2:16:17.800 barrels in Kalispell. And you like that wine. Yeah, it's 2:16:17.840 --> 2:16:20.760 like a fly fishing term, right, Tailing Loop. It's a 2:16:20.800 --> 2:16:26.640 fly fishing themed winery. Yeah, m hm. And you love 2:16:26.720 --> 2:16:29.720 the wine. I like wine fish. I like her wine. No, 2:16:30.040 --> 2:16:33.240 she's got some great art on the labels. Though you start, 2:16:33.280 --> 2:16:35.320 you're gonna start fishing too, now that you're gonna start hunting. 2:16:36.400 --> 2:16:38.560 I don't know. I went fly fishing once with Cal 2:16:39.000 --> 2:16:43.560 and it didn't go well. I had a great time, 2:16:43.680 --> 2:16:46.720 And then it sounds like it went very well. Your 2:16:46.760 --> 2:16:50.520 friends got a very inefficient winery because it's a fly 2:16:50.640 --> 2:16:56.440 fishing theme. P oh, I I own like about eleven 2:16:56.480 --> 2:16:59.840 thousand square feet. I don't think about it. Makers come 2:16:59.920 --> 2:17:02.280 up trap your place from muskrat. Sorry you don't have 2:17:02.440 --> 2:17:04.480 like a pond or anything. That's all getting messed up 2:17:04.480 --> 2:17:08.440 by muskrat's. Okay, no, no um, all right thanks again 2:17:08.480 --> 2:17:11.000 with you, we'll we'll, we'll go out. This is like 2:17:11.080 --> 2:17:12.640 the doctor where you I want on your way out, 2:17:12.680 --> 2:17:17.280 I want you to schedule your next visit. Okay with 2:17:17.480 --> 2:17:20.280 Osburgh TRCP. Thanks for listening.