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Speaker 1: a wedding, they had to think called the dollar dance,

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Speaker 1: like this. You put throw a dollar in and it's

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Speaker 1: Crint Crin, do you understand what I'm talking about? A

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Speaker 1: dollar dance. Have you been to a wedding with a

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. The dollar dance, got it? Yeah, we think

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Speaker 1: about having the thing um dollar dance with cal for

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Speaker 1: a dollar dance with Cal for twenty bucks. Go go

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Speaker 1: this taxidermous Legends taxidermy in Drayton Valley, Alberta. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: So the husband wife taxidermy team, you know from this story, Yes, oh,

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Speaker 1: Legends Taxidermy and Drayton Valley. Uh, if they advertise beetle

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Speaker 1: cleaning services, Beetle cleaning, Legends tax and Drayton Valley. But

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Speaker 1: real curious was the Beatles. There wasn't a boiling clean right,

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Speaker 1: was using drmifted beatles to clean it. Yeah, what do

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Speaker 1: great cast characters. Uh. And then they had to get

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Speaker 1: the final result. But um they had to with with

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Speaker 1: right if that's your because you can't give him another

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Speaker 1: That was not in the article, not in my version.

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Speaker 1: trash behind, Like, I absolutely get that. I hate seeing

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00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: trash and um for one reason or another when I

425
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: was hunting down But that's a that's a red herring.

426
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: It's like a problem, it's too important, it's not trash

427
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: is annoying, but that's not what it's about. Uh yeah,

428
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: if you live in New Mexico or hang out in

429
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: New Mexico, we should watch the issue because it has

430
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot to do with like your ability and people

431
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: to live in states where you have stream axis you

432
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: don't even think about how good you have it. You know,

433
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: we grew up with in Michigan where you go to

434
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: the launch on a river or a lake or whatever.

435
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: You go to the public launch and put your boat in,

436
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: and then you go down the river and you wind

437
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: up in a spot where there's private landowners on either side.

438
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: You don't even think about. You just like paddle down,

439
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: motor down. Um, you can't take that for granted. This

440
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: is like one of the ways that people will attack

441
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: your ability to go outside and join nature. And and

442
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: definitely New Mexico is absolutely gorgeous. I love land of enchantment.

443
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Right it's did you come up with that? A little

444
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: something I came up? Uh yeah. If it can happen there,

445
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: it can happen where we have it good here in

446
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: Montana and Idaho. Um so I mean, this is everybody's issue.

447
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: We all have the ability to travel to these places

448
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: and and enjoy um you know, the States rights and

449
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: um boy, it's hugely beneficial to have the ability to

450
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: truck down and you know, hike down a stream a

451
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: mile and and hunting some hard to get two spots

452
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: and or just fish the thing, and um something you

453
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: gotta pay attention to, because I just feel like if

454
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: anywhere within the US we demonstrate, you know, a blase attitude,

455
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, not the willingness to fight over this stuff. Man,

456
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: it's just get a slippery slope from there. It's everybody's issue.

457
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: And I think it's really exacerbated in place like New Mexico,

458
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: which just so dry. You just have less rivers, less opportunities.

459
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: So you started taking those away. You know, you've taken

460
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: away a significant portion. Yes, oh yeah, that's a good point.

461
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Well you have limited navigable again or New York where

462
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: I grew up. I mean there's a lot of water

463
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of access, and you lose the

464
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: stream here or there. You may not notice it. New

465
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Mexico you would notice it. Yeah, it's a good point.

466
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: All right, went, you're ready you're fired up, let's do it, Okay,

467
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: twenty nights public lands in general. We just covered public waters,

468
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: but we like if you consider public waters being part

469
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: of public lands, which is fair. Uh, thumbs up, thumbs down,

470
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: thumbs up. It was a good year. Then we started

471
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: off good right at the beginning of the year. We

472
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: passed the Senate or Congress past the big public lands bill.

473
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: Break that down a little bit, so it was did

474
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. And the way Congress works

475
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: these days, you don't pass individual pieces of legislation like

476
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: a Senior Wilderness bill or anything. It comes in these big,

477
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: omnivous bills because so little passes anymore that whenever something

478
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: is moving, everything gets piled onto it. Oh that's that's

479
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: a strategy. Yeah, So because you know, it's just you

480
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: have very few vehicles moved through so invariably, instead of

481
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: just one provision, it's going to be a hundred provisions.

482
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: And so that's what happened with it. What what forms

483
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: the base in something like that, um, you know, typically

484
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: as you know, and this one you could you could

485
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: argue it was Land and Water Conservation Fund. It could

486
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: be some of these public lands bills, but essentially just

487
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: you need to have stuff. That's what everything is being

488
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: tacked on. Ideally is something that a lot of people

489
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: want to see pass. And really in this bill, yeah,

490
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: there was nothing super controversial. So you had over a

491
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: hundred provisions, You had, you know, a million acres a

492
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: new wilderness created, you had six hundred miles while the

493
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Scenic River is created. You permanently reauthorized Land Water Conservation Fund,

494
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: which is the primary tool that we use for public access,

495
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: especially to public lands. Then that three percent of that

496
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: has to be used for public access projects. So this

497
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: goes back to things like the ONEX report we did,

498
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, which talks about landlocked public lands, you know,

499
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: both on the federal side as well as on the

500
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: state side, collectively more than sixteen million acres of public

501
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: lands the public can't get to. So three percent of

502
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: this Land and Water Conservation Fund is now targeted for

503
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: projects like that. By a simple section here there and

504
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: easement at someplace that will then open up a lot

505
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: more public land. So a little bit different way of

506
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: thinking about access, and we have in the past the

507
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: past land or Conservation Fund has been thought of as

508
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: a tool to preserve big landscapes. You know, big tracks

509
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: of forests that are Timber company is selling things like that,

510
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: which are still really important. But another use of it

511
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: is these small strategic acquisition is they're based around access,

512
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to see a lot more

513
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: than that. We saw that reflected in this bill. So

514
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: now that has been permanently reauthorized. When when you say

515
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: this bill was popular with everybody, like, what did it

516
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: pass by? So the overall package passed in the Senate

517
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: and then what was the who? Like, give me a

518
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: profile of the eight. They have various reasons. I remember

519
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: hearing one time that the Wilderness Um when they created

520
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: like the Wilderness Act, that it was in the Senate

521
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: because the one didn't think it went far enough. Is

522
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: that the case with the eight? Oh no, no, it's

523
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: the other way around. I mean you have especially some

524
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, Western senators that honestly just don't like public lands.

525
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean you look at a guy like Mike Lee

526
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: and Utah who's sort of made no he didn't, but

527
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: he's made his name on railing against public land ownership period.

528
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: And you know, some folks slot it spent too much money.

529
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't spend all that much money, but anyway,

530
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: it was sort of ideological anti public land, you know,

531
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: that's where the eight came from. So the ninety two,

532
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, they were like something more they would like

533
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: to have, you know, land water Conservation one permanently funded

534
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: as well. We didn't get that, but we got at

535
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: least permanently reauthorized, so we don't have to worry about

536
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: it disappearing in three years or five years or one

537
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: of the typical re authorization is um you know. So

538
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: that bill was really important and the fact that it

539
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: passed by that, you know, wid a margin, I think

540
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: really represents kind of a sea change and a lot

541
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: of the public lands. You know, we think about the

542
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: rhetoric over the past ten years. You went from the

543
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: Senate passing, you know, a nine bonding resolution at least

544
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Makowski offered that basically said all public lands other than

545
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: national parks ought to be divested, and you know that

546
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: was that passed with pretty much all Republican votes. Now

547
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: compare that to this where you're expanding protections on public

548
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: lands are expanding while the scenic rivers, you're expanding the

549
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: acquisition programs to create more public lands. And it passes eight.

550
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: So I think from that original a sort of stage

551
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: brush rebellion, you know, kind of mentality we were seeing

552
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: really a decade ago. That was we saw these bills

553
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: passing on the state levels, like demanding return to public

554
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: lands to the states, which were never there is to

555
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: begin with. But you I think that rhetoric has really

556
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: gotten knocked down pretty good. And I think when you

557
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: saw Jason Chaffitz essentially have to withdraw his bill that

558
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: would have sold off three point three million acres of

559
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: public lands to help balance the budget, that really was

560
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: a sea change. And you saw the Outer Industry Association

561
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: move it show on a Salt Lake city because of

562
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: the bad Utah politics on public lands. So we really

563
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: saw I think the momentum has swung back in favor

564
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: of public lands, and I think that's reflected in this vote,

565
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: which is, you know, you can't do much better than eight.

566
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do a resolution on motherhood and

567
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: apple Pie that probably wouldn't pass by that margin. Who Yeah,

568
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: it feels like a bill says like we love motherhood

569
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: and apple pie. Yeah, no, forget that, do we I'm

570
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: a ferry pie? Who within who within the administration? Who

571
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: within the Trump administration is uh who's influential there, you know,

572
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean like he signs it, right, he signs, So

573
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Secretary Interior clearly this is

574
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: mostly Interior related bill. So that's that's who's weighing up.

575
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: That's who has that's who has the president's year exactly.

576
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: And Dave Parnart has been pretty darn reasonable and most

577
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: of these issues. Mean, he's been great on access issues,

578
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: he's been you know, sort of approachable on land management issues.

579
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: So I think he recognized that this was not only

580
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: was it there's no point in vetoing this, you're gonna

581
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: get crushed on an override, but it also has good

582
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: politics and it makes sense and it's not draconian anyway.

583
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: And you've got you got t RCP worked hard on this.

584
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no. And but not just us, I mean

585
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: tons of groups, Wildlife Federation b h A. Yeah, pretty

586
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: much everybody supported this. I mean, I don't think anybody

587
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: in our community opposed this. Because another provision that was

588
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: in this overall bill was clarifying that public lands are

589
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: open for hunting and fishing unless they're specifically closed through

590
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: an open and transparent process. And that was really an

591
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: effort to push back on some of the things the

592
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: animal rights community had attacked, like they did in Michigan

593
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Yeah, with the HURON, I think

594
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: National Forest sort of trying to get hunting shut down

595
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: there at that time. It was yeah, yeah, I can't remember.

596
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember the HURON or wherever, but at that

597
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: time they got somebody who didn't like the noise of

598
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: gunfire to try to shut down an area, and it

599
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: really was back door. That's an interesting approach animal rights

600
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: community to go in and try to shut down public lands.

601
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: And so this is you know, listen, there are some

602
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: public lands that makes sense to shut down, you know,

603
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: near campgrounds, you know, other things like that, but there

604
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: ought to be a public and transparent process to shut

605
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: those down. Yeah. I mean you see buffers like there's

606
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, you go to river access sites and will

607
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: say no discharge of fire. Yeah. So I mean, but

608
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: there ought to be just say, thoughtful process to close

609
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: areas off, not because it may you know, somebody may

610
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: hear a gun shot a few miles away. Yeah. So

611
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: anyway that did this. So even the right side of

612
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: the community that typically does not weigh in on wilderness

613
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: and wilder scenic rivers. You know, they were enthusiastically and

614
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: word of this because of that, because they saw that

615
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: as taking away one of these attacks on hunting and

616
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: fishing on public lands. Do you ever see, um, do

617
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: you ever see a situation where people within the animal

618
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: rights movement UM will like take this thing for instance,

619
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: where it's obviously doing it's beneficial to wildlife, is beneficial

620
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: to habitat preservation. Do you ever see a situation where

621
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: they'll sabotage the movement of something that I'm the whole

622
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: is good for wildlife because it enables harvest of wildlife. Like,

623
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: do you ever see it become like a real actual problem. Sure?

624
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean they opposed that provision that opened less closed

625
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: provision for years, but when it's tacked in with a

626
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: hundred other provisions saying what do they do? Then then

627
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: they swallow their pride and they support the overall pack

628
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: because it's all in all win, even though it's a

629
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: loss for them in there exactly, And I mean maybe

630
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: some of the he I mean I didn't follow what

631
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: pe position was. Yeah, I mean the reasonable players who

632
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: are actually out there trying to nobody gets everything they want.

633
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: And when these packages just why it passed by such

634
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: a large margin because it's sort of the fringe elements

635
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: on either side get knocked out, and you know, so

636
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: something like this makes a ton of sense, and I

637
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: think this is the way you're going to see it again.

638
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: My guess is that earlier this year, you know, Lisa

639
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Murkowski is going to put together an energy package, which

640
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: would really be a public lands package too, because there'll

641
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: be assortment of these smaller bills, you know that are

642
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: you're ready to go their non controversial and you know,

643
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: before you get into the election you're gridlock. You know,

644
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: this is another Probably I think it's a good chance

645
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: we'll get another package that moves through. We've been trying

646
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: to get Lisa mccowski on the show without new luck.

647
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: She's a tough one to pin down. Yeah, that's why

648
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I want to get around the show. And you know,

649
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: being from Alaska, I mean I feel like she she

650
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: like would definitely have a lot of opinions. She would

651
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: I would love Yeah, I'd love to ask you some questions. Okay,

652
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: break down the farm bill for me. Man? What I like?

653
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I think I feel like a lot of people know

654
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: there is such thing as a but don't really understand it. Well,

655
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: one thing I guess to point out that makes things

656
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: uh tough on the education side of things is like,

657
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: we need these certain things within the farm bill the pass,

658
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: but you're talking about the farm bill or the transportation

659
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: bill or the energy bill, and uh, people get really confused.

660
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: So it's hard to be like, no, no, this these

661
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: sportsman's issues are buried within this thing. But it is

662
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: the transportation like the whole package, right is like let's

663
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: say if the farm bill is composed of a hundred

664
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: things to to our directly applied to sportsman or what

665
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: the ratio is? Well, yeah, and there's plenty of people

666
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: out there right who are like, I don't have a farm. Yeah,

667
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: so I'll tell you what to tell you what the

668
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: ratios are here? So we have Yeah, they basically nine

669
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: herd million acres in the United States are in farm

670
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: or a commercial forestry production tellon acres. So that's about

671
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: the overall land masks to the US is in you know,

672
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: it basically is you could largely call it in farm

673
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and of that, about a hundred and forty million acres

674
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: are enrolled in farm bill conservation programs. So that's about

675
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta hear these number. What's the number

676
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: how many acres have federally managed public lands we have

677
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: like national forest, national parks, refugees. I think the number

678
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I see is sixty million, okay. And how many acres

679
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: of land again, are are in egg production, About nine

680
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred million. And of those of those, about a hundred

681
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: and forty million acres are enrolled in farm bill conservation programs.

682
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: What does that mean? But that in context, you know,

683
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: that's society of these are privately held lands. Privately held

684
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: lands enrolled in you know, basically the farm bill, the

685
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: conservation side of the farm bill, which is the single

686
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: largest you know, from a dollar standpoint conservation program in

687
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: the United States, it's thirty billion dollars, and you know,

688
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: so that's but in the broad scheme of things, the

689
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: overall farm bill is eight hundred plus billion, So it's

690
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: a allad ways like seven percent I think, you know, overall,

691
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you can add it up different ways, but

692
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: relative a small portion of the world farm bill is conservation.

693
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: The great majority of those things like food stamps, the

694
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: nutrition program, Oh, that's part of the farm buil. And

695
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: that was a they need to haggle over the farm

696
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: bill every five years, and it was a deal that

697
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: was cut a long time ago. You basically to get

698
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: urban members and rural members to support something and the

699
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: food stamp programs in the farm bill, and so maybe

700
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: do that and forgot it. Yeah, I mean that's you know,

701
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: but when you have a farm bill, that's what all

702
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: the debates around. It's around you know, food stamp eligibility

703
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: requirements and figures and things like that. But that was

704
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: a very intentional deal that we're not just sitting around

705
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: arguing about pheasant habitat. No, No, that's I mean, there

706
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: are some of that. We argue about pheasant habitat, but

707
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: in the big scheme of things, we're you know, decimal

708
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: dust in the overall argument, which makes it vulnerable. Well

709
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: it does, but I mean remember this is the you know,

710
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: this reason we able to get a farm bill passes.

711
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: You have that weird coalition between urban inner city you know,

712
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the Black Caucus, you know, folks like that that really

713
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: want to make sure they have Yeah. There and back

714
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: in the seventies was this is all started. There was

715
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: a real nutrition problem in this country, and so the

716
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: farm you know, the food stamp program at that time

717
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: was really created to address a really particular need in

718
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: this country. But at the same time they realized that

719
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: this also helped farmers who wanted to have basically some

720
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: guaranteed markets within the country of food. So that was

721
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: how the whole deal got created in the first place,

722
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: was urban members coming to go with rural members to

723
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: create a farm bill that was good for farmers, it

724
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: was good for the inner cities. That coalition has stayed

725
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: pretty strong. I mean it's been fraid a little bit

726
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: more in recent years, but you know, that's the reason

727
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: we're able to get a farm bill passed now. So

728
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: go back to your original question in terms of what

729
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: does that look like. So of that thirty billion dollars,

730
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: it's broken out into several remind me again, the thirty

731
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: billion dollars that how do you characterize that chunk of

732
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: the So that is what we call the conservation program

733
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: of the farm bill. That's type too. So so the

734
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing with all that everything involved is exactly

735
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: which is that's real money. That's that is real is

736
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: the conservation part of it. So we're talking about the

737
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: thirty billion dollar piece of and unlike other sort of

738
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: environmental legislation. The Farm Bill is voluntary, so this is

739
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: creating incentives on private lands to do the right thing

740
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: for soil, for water, for fish and wildlife. And there

741
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: are a couple of there are two different ways you

742
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: can do that. I mean, there is the essentially what

743
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: they call the land retirement programs, like the conservation reserve program,

744
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: where you pay a landowner to set aside basically the

745
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: most marginal land on his or her farm and manage

746
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: it for conservation, you know, for you get better water quality,

747
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: get more wildlife habitat, and the farmer gets guaranteed income

748
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: for the source of that continent the course of that contract,

749
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: which is typically ten to fifteen years. So right now

750
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: concert from reserve program, they're about twenty two million acres

751
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: that are currently enrolled in that program. Yeah, if you're

752
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: if you're a hunter, and you keep your ears open,

753
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: you will at some point in your life here someone

754
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: say let's go hit that CRP field exactly, and that's

755
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And I knew that line. I

756
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: knew the hitting the c RP field line long before

757
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: I knew what in the world that meant. And that's

758
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: a great program. And then it's expensive, but it serves

759
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: multiple benefits made it helps. When it was originally created

760
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen ages, was during the farm crisis,

761
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: and it really was created as a price support mechanism

762
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: for farmers, a way to pay them for not farming. Yeah,

763
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: and and I feel just just jump on this because, uh,

764
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: this is I feel that this is the thing that

765
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: you hear people gripe about so much, like people criticizing

766
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: farm subsidies and pale it's all subsidies and paying farmers

767
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: to do nothing. But I mean, you gotta look at

768
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: sort of world history and American history and it starts

769
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: making a lot more sense. I mean, millions of people

770
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: starved to death during World War two, real hunger crisis

771
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: in the seventies, And it's like if markets collapse in

772
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: some ways, some global thing causes Marcus to collapse, do

773
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you really want to have it be that everyone that

774
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: has a farm that can't get through that period, that

775
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: they sell the land or turn it into a golf

776
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: course or subdivide it or whatever the hell. Or do

777
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: you give them some way that that you can that

778
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: that you can allow people to hang on to land,

779
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: keep it an egg and be ready for the next

780
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: time there's a global crisis, because you can't expect people

781
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: to go like break ground and stout start a farm

782
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: because we have a impending famine. It's like they've got

783
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: to be ready to roll. But you hear people, I mean,

784
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there are abuses like everything. Like

785
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: you can talk about any government program and if you

786
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: focus on the abuses, would be the same way as

787
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: me saying hunters suck because some people are poachers. It's like,

788
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: of course they're abuses. But may I hear a lot

789
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: of people dogging on to sell program. It's like you're

790
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: kind of like doing it without really thinking about the

791
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: implications of it. If farmers all had to go bankrupt

792
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: every time something happened. And this is very different in

793
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the back in the nineteen eighties and the nineteen eighties

794
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: when it was you basically just we're paying farmers not

795
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: to farm. Now, you know, CRP and the other wildlife programs,

796
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: conservation programs have been much more refined and so they're

797
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: geared towards really actually helping things like water quality, you know,

798
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: soil quality, fish and wildlife. They're incentives. So if you

799
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: enter your land call into a c RP. You're also

800
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna get some incentives from the federal government to go

801
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: and you know, convert put in pollinator habitat. And so

802
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: it's way more targeted and strategic and beneficial for the

803
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: public at large than it was in the old days.

804
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously pollinator habitat you know, sounds goofy,

805
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: but it's not to be incredibly important if you like

806
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: value agriculture flowers, you know anything, and we've been losing it,

807
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: and this is a way to encourage bringing a lot

808
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: of that back. You know, monarch butterflies with a poster

809
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: child for you know, loss of pollinator habitat. So I

810
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: don't think that you know, we've seen a big change

811
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: of it. You have c RP, you have the Conservation

812
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: of Stewardship Program, you have the Environmental Quality and Habitat

813
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Program EQUIP uh you know, AQUI we touch on the

814
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: bugs a little bit more. If you're seeing like in

815
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: areas and intensely uh tilled lands and intensely in lands

816
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: with a lot of intense use of herbicides and pesticides,

817
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: and you're seeing like radical reductions and insect life, Um,

818
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: you gotta wake up to the reality that like that

819
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: goes beyond bugs and maybe you like the hunt turkeys

820
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: a turkey pole se its diet is animal matter. Bugs.

821
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: It's like, you can't act like you're gonna strip out

822
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just bugs. Who cares. It's like, dude,

823
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: you can't. Actually you're gonna strip that out and the

824
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: life as you know it is going to continue to

825
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: look the same. You can't like knock chunks of ecology

826
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: out and act like it doesn't have it. So when people,

827
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: if someone were to roll their eyes about allinator habitat,

828
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, you don't only turkeys, yep, or whatever,

829
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's like it's essential stuff, man,

830
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: and this is great. And it's not just Steven Turkey.

831
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean Bob white Quail. It's you know, you name it,

832
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, and it's important for it and that diversity

833
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: is you know, just you know, good for ecological reasons period.

834
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: Things we don't understand right exactly. And it's beautiful. So

835
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a whole bunch of benefits.

836
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: So I think that in the days when then, you know,

837
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: you could justly criticize some of the farm programs is

838
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: just straight subsidies with little public benefit other than keeping

839
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: a farmer float. I think it's very different today. I mean,

840
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: these programs have been refined, have been improved, and I

841
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: think you're seeing way broader benefits, which makes it frustrating

842
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: when we have a sort of a dwindling CRP like

843
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: we're seeing right now. Yeah, that's the part I kind

844
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: of I kind of wanted to get to that because

845
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: when we were at the t RCP board meeting, there

846
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: was some talk about um money was available for farmers

847
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: to enroll in CRP, but it wasn't flowing, so they

848
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: were there were people who were armors were putt in

849
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: a tough spot because one hand they wanted to enroll,

850
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: but they couldn't get the the compensation. And we're going

851
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: to be put into a tough spot where they're gonna

852
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: have to try to do something to figure it out.

853
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of screwing farmers. So CRP reached its peak

854
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: I think it was in two thousand seven, which is

855
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: about thirty seven million acres enrolled in that program, and

856
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: that there was a direct correlation between you know, low

857
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, commodity prices and enrollment and programs like c RP,

858
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: because when you're not making money off growing corner soy beans,

859
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: ralph alf or whatever it might be, then CRP looks

860
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot better. During the you know, sort of

861
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: go go years of the two thousand tens to two

862
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. Yeah, when you had seven dollar corn things

863
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: like that, you saw a bunch of land move out

864
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: of c RP and other constants like that. Contract would

865
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: expire and you would go into grain production money. Somebody

866
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: would just break a contract and get the penalty and

867
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: just go straight into touch you. So over that time period,

868
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: we lost about six million acres out of c RP.

869
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: All right, excuse me not six million acres of grassland

870
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: and prairie land and pasture land got converted to row crops.

871
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: And the grain prices. Grain prices are through the roof.

872
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Now you have the exact opposite. Now. So when the

873
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: previous farm bill was done back in two thousand four,

874
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: what made grain prices shoot the roof? Uh? There were

875
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: a variety of things. I mean, it's just you know,

876
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: we had a huge good weather here. I mean, we

877
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: had huge export markets. So I think that was when

878
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: come onside any like bad Russian wheat crops and like that.

879
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: You also had you know, sort of the go go years,

880
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: the ethanol subsidies, so that was driving production of corn.

881
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: It was you know, so that was part of it.

882
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: It was just a really good time to be a farmer,

883
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: and it was not a great time to be a

884
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: conservationist because all this land was getting moved out and

885
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: converted to row crops. Now all of a sudden, you know,

886
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: we have trade wars, and you know, prices are through

887
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: the floor, and there was huge demand to get moved

888
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: land into c RP and other conservation programs at a minimum,

889
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: just to stabilize farm income. You had whether this storm

890
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: because eventually prices are gonna stay abilize again. Yeah, because

891
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: they're they're afraid of farmers. If if they're not able

892
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: to do CRP, they're gonna maybe be in a situation

893
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: where they're further contributing to flooding the market with grain

894
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: and keeping prices down or just mean listen, I mean,

895
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: you know the records suicides out and farm country right now,

896
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: record bankruptcies. I mean, it is is a true crisis

897
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: right now. And instead of giving them a thirty billion

898
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: dollar bailout, which is what we've done to address, you know,

899
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: some of the impacts of the trade war. We ought

900
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: to be moving a buttload of land into conservation where

901
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: they're getting payments which are also doing public good at

902
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, like get like where the tax

903
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: periods are getting more out of it. Right. So in

904
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen farm bill that we passed, which

905
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: was a good farm bill again thirty billion dollars, you know,

906
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: and made improvements to the two thousand fourteen farm bill,

907
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: changed the conservation programs a lot. It got rid of

908
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of them, consolidated them, streamlined them, created a

909
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: couple of new ones, like the Regional Conservation Partnership Program.

910
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: This most recent farm bill didn't make any drastic changes

911
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: like that, but really improve toupon what we did in

912
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. And you know, among other things, that

913
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: expanded c RP, which had been down to twenty four

914
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: million acres in the two thousand and fourteen farm bill

915
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: because demand was so low, kicked that back out to

916
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: seven million acres because demand is much higher. Now, tell

917
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: me the two numbers again, twenty four and the previous

918
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: farm bill in the most recent one to make that

919
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: budget neutral, they made a little bit less profitable for farmers.

920
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: They reduced the rental rade a little bit, they reduced

921
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: the incentive payments a little bit, but overall the INDs

922
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: so they're making the same spend and getting three more

923
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: million acres and are those people getting their money now?

924
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: So just in December, for the first time in four years,

925
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: they've done a sign up for c RP, which is

926
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: just insane because you're having you know, acres expire, you

927
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: have huge men in farm country. But we just couldn't

928
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: get these guys to do a new sign up. So

929
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: finally these guys Department Culture, Farm Service Agency because of

930
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: what reason? Alright, so you have so farm bill is

931
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: mandatory funding, so it doesn't have to be appropriated every year.

932
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: So this is essentially, you know, something that has done

933
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: and they don't worry about it, so it's not the

934
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: vagaries of annual appropriations like Land and Waterer Conservation Fund.

935
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we want to get LBCF off budget

936
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: for the same reasons, so you're stable money is coming

937
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: in and we know what it's going to be. But

938
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: farm Bill programs are truly off budget. So these are

939
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: mandatory programs. However, if you don't spend the money like

940
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: you go and they look o MB will look over

941
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: a few years and say, jeez, you have any to spent.

942
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: You know, a third of this money. We're two years

943
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: from the end. We're gonna basically cut a bunch of

944
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: your money away. So the devious, the cynical of those

945
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: among us, like me who's been in DC a long time,

946
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: feels that this has been basically a backhanded way to

947
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: reduce the baseline, so, in other words, to not spend

948
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: the money that Congress expected them to spend, and then

949
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: have om B say, well, jeez, you're not spending the money,

950
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna reduce that overall amount and officers management

951
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: and budget and uh, and there was there was in

952
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: mendications they didn't like the original farm building that it

953
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: was too expensive, and so this would be basically a

954
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: back doorway of not implementing it the way Congress intended

955
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: it to be implemented and at the same time lose

956
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: that baseline so it makes it less spending for the

957
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: federal government doesn't show you're running quite as big a

958
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: deficit as you're doing it. But at the same time,

959
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not providing the benefits on the ground that Congress intended.

960
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: So finally in December they announced new sign up. So

961
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: if anybody is listening and has friends in farm country,

962
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: tell them to go to the Farm Service Agency, get

963
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: signed up for c RP. Get down there, Get down there,

964
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: dug protectives at the front of the line. Um, and

965
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: if your folks want to learn more about it, then

966
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: go to We have a website called c RP works

967
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: dot org, so you can go there and learn more

968
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: about the program in general. But what we're expecting is

969
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: not going to be a great sign up because they

970
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: lowered and sent up payments significantly, so in other words,

971
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: instead of that the payments for going and putting in

972
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: pollinator habitat that used to be about now in this

973
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: new sign up is down about five, which is you know,

974
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: just it really does not that help. So they also

975
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: moved a bunch of the continuous funding, which is way

976
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: more expensive, which is non competitive, and that's where you

977
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: do things like you know, a lot of the you know,

978
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: like sage grouse restorations work being done on the farm

979
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: bill is in these continuous programs. A lot of the

980
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: Bob White you know, restoration, long leaf pine restoration is

981
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: being done. You know, under this continuous program, there's much

982
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: longer term, but they're also more expensive. And you know,

983
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: but a lot of those wildlife programs that had always

984
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: been in these long term programs now getting moved in

985
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: the general sign up, which makes them much cheaper. So

986
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: the folks like the Landoords will not get the same

987
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: amount of money for him. So we're gonna they think

988
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: that while we should be getting about eight million acres,

989
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: it could get signed up. I mean, I think we'll

990
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: be lucky to see you know, six million. Just in

991
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: so right now they're twenty two million acres enrolled. They're

992
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: about another six or eight million that are basically expiring

993
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: in the next year. So there is a in their

994
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: caps twenty seven million acres. So there's a lot of

995
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: room to add acres, and god, no farm country needs

996
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: it right now. But we're not gonna see that. We're

997
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna see, Yeah, we're gonna see some acres added, probably

998
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: about six million acres and may kick it up to

999
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: from twenty two. You know, I'll put decent amount, but

1000
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: given what's expiring, it's not going to come close to

1001
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: that cap acres are there's c RP lands in Hawaii

1002
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: for instance, Like where where is all this stuff? Um,

1003
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: not that I know of, but here, I've got actually

1004
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a map on my computer which I'll I'll show you when.

1005
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, you gotta gotta give these folks, you know,

1006
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: the value of their time and gas. Oh exactly yeah.

1007
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: And if if they're going to go spend their time

1008
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: and gas, they're gonna look for a better return now,

1009
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: exactly right. So anyway, we're gonna be disappointed with the

1010
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: sign up is currently going on, but it's better than nothing.

1011
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: We're thrilled they finally got to sign up out. But

1012
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, long term, yeah, we're gonna have to, you know,

1013
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: have a serious discussion between Congress and administration about implementing

1014
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: this program the way it's intended. Yeah, will be organizing

1015
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: comments on behalf of the broad The administration has been

1016
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: uh dragging his feet, not not sort of exercising the

1017
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: will of the people in terms of and I mean

1018
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: part of the problem here is too is this is

1019
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: the one conservation program that is ministered by the Farm

1020
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: Service Agency and not NRCS, and that's where Resource Conservation

1021
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Service they wake every day and think about conservation on farmland.

1022
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: Farm Service agency doesn't, so they look at the big

1023
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: thing things to do today. You know, this is down

1024
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: towards the bottom. And Steve's earlier point is the one

1025
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: that it's the development threat. You know. I mean farmers

1026
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: and ranchers they do what they do not because they

1027
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: have to. There's that's their life. I mean, it's it's

1028
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: the way they choose to spend their lives. And eventually

1029
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: they're going to get it in a point where it's like, man,

1030
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: it's not worth the hassle. And you're in a place

1031
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: like the Gallatin Valley here, my mom's plays there outside

1032
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: of Billings, where it's let's just cut this sucker up

1033
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: and get a paycheck and and moved to Hawaii. Yeah,

1034
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And that's the real threat long term.

1035
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: If you drag your feet on this implementation, there's huge

1036
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: ripple effects through a farm country. Much rather have the

1037
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: argument of CRP or row crop versus c RP or

1038
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: housing development, because once it's housing, it's not coming back

1039
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: to Yeah, it's not coming out. Hey, Phil, We're gonna

1040
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: move on to um. So there's a map of where

1041
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: hot bed CRP and Upper Midwest Great Plains. Boy, things

1042
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: get complicated when you move down there towards the Upper

1043
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: Midwest and Great Plains into Columbia. Columbia drainage. Uh, hey, Phil,

1044
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: you know that noise Cali uses in Cal's weaken review

1045
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: where it goes Yeah, moving on, Yeah, put that noise in, right,

1046
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: got it? Access? Yeah? Twenty nine thumbs up, thumbs down,

1047
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: thumbs up. Yeah again, you kind of are your kind

1048
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: of thumbs down in farm bill. Yeah, and I think

1049
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: thumbs down in farm bill. Um, just who combs down

1050
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: one and a half? So one thumb is one thumb

1051
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: the sideways down. Hit me two thumbs on. Hear, give

1052
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: me you both your thhonbes on access. Good. It's got

1053
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: two thumbs on, two thumbs up on access. So we've

1054
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: been you know, honestly, Dave Bernhardt and the Interior Department

1055
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: have been really good on this issue. So he's been,

1056
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, sort of done a bunch of things in

1057
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: terms of opening up hunting and fishing on refuges and places,

1058
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: streamlining rigs. I mean, we had a situation in the

1059
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: past where you may have a refuge someplace that had

1060
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: totally different rigs than the state, which may make sense

1061
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: but may not make sense. But it made it really

1062
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: confusing for hunters, and so a lot of that has

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: been streamlined. They've also you know, there are certain refuges

1064
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: and other public lands that got closed for no particular reason,

1065
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: and those all got reevaluated and a bunch got reopened,

1066
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: So that's good. Perhaps the most important thing he's done

1067
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: on the access front is dealing with you know, what

1068
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: we call disposable lands for BLM. So under the original FLIPMA,

1069
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: which is the Federal Land Management Policy Act, which essentially

1070
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: governs b land management, they're required to every time they

1071
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: review renew Resource Management Plan in r NP, look at

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01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: areas that don't make sense for them to hold on

1073
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: too and are suitable for disposal. Give me an example

1074
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: of what that would look like. Yeah, let's say have

1075
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: a a plot inside the city limits of Las Vegas

1076
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: that happens to still be bland land, just some weed

1077
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: plot land, Yeah, I mean, just an historical anomaly. You know,

1078
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's part of a railroad grant or something, you know,

1079
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: long term ago, and but rabbits out there there could

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: be so but anyway there and there probably are variety

1081
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: of federal lands out there that makes sense to be

1082
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, swapped or disposed of. And that's fine and honestly,

1083
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: and Jason Chan real quick. So let's say you have

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01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: a you know, a parcel that you know it was

1085
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: in the city limits of Las Vegas, and you know

1086
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: the city really wants that to expand the strip just

1087
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: to use a hypothe a hospital hospital. Okay, then they

1088
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: could enter into say, okay, fine, we have we the

1089
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: city of Las Vegas has this parcel way outside of town,

1090
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: adjacent to a national forest, will swap it to you

1091
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: in exchange for this piece in town. Your national forest

1092
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: gets bigger, our hospital gets bigger, right, and it's a

1093
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: win win for everybody. Now, there's some rules in place

1094
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: about swaps have to be you know generally you know

1095
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: the same value things like that. Yeah, so people don't

1096
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: come in and manipulated. But there's it makes perfectly good

1097
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: sense to do things like that, and that's how we

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01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: do a lot of in holdings and places or through

1099
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: things like land swaps. But you know, the part of

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: the problem was in the original flipmoe or bill when

1101
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: it talked about looking at lands suitiful disposal, it you

1102
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: basically talked about lands were difficult to manage, isolated, It

1103
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: didn't talk anything about recreational access. So you have a

1104
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: situation where you may have a section sixty acres a

1105
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: b land someplace nowhere near other BLM lands, but it

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01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: may be adjoining state lands or a national forest. Now,

1107
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: in the old days, BLM would automatically put that parcel

1108
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: on the disposal list because it was isolated. It didn't

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: make it was hard to manage, didn't make sense in

1110
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: terms of big picture agency management. But so what we

1111
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: got Dave Bernhard to do was to change the rules,

1112
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: and he issued a secretary order on this three three

1113
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: seven three that when you know, the agency comes up

1114
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: and looks at area's suitable disposal, it's important for recreation,

1115
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: including hunting and fishing, it's awful list. So it is

1116
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: again and this is a direct result of some of

1117
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: that on X work we've done. You know, that identifies

1118
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: the sort of landlocked public lands, because if you're disposing

1119
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: of some of these isolated parcels, you're impacting way more

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: than that one or that half section that may be

1121
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: out there. And that's uh. Well, Eric Siegfried of on

1122
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: X and I hunted a chunk this year that is

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: so prime, so prime for disposal or land swap because

1124
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: it's surrounded by we're not talking mon pockheadle ranchers out

1125
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: in eastern Montana were like big, big money um, and

1126
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's corporate holding type of situation and they're

1127
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: not in it for the cattle. And this chunker ground

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01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: that we handed his great recreational value um. But it's

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01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: not something the BLM could even get in and manage

1130
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: if it if the landowner around it decided that they

1131
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: didn't want them to. Yeah, so wake up in hot

1132
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: sweats over something like that because it has tremendous wildlife.

1133
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: You just think about like the fewer of the Wilkes

1134
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: brothers in Idaho and now Montana, and you know, obviously

1135
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna if you know, they may have some lifes

1136
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: parcels make sense to trade to the federal government, but yeah,

1137
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: their exchange. Maybe you know that one section which allows

1138
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: the public to get to that national force behind him,

1139
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: If you get rid of that and make that private,

1140
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: then essentially you privatize all that elk habitat behind him.

1141
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: You can imagine the manipulations that go on. And so

1142
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: now with that secred order basically prohibits BLM from doing

1143
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, which is great and you know,

1144
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: I've a lot of credit to you know, Bernhardt and

1145
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: Interior if you're doing that one now, i'd say on

1146
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: also on the access front of the fact that we

1147
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: got permanent reauthorization LWCF huge win for access. Uh yeah,

1148
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: we now have again another result of this on X project. Yeah,

1149
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: which were acting or did he get he's permanent So

1150
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: he did get confirmed. But what what about the acting

1151
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: director of the BLM. Well that's the whole severe the

1152
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: w p P. Yeah, so we'll hold off on that

1153
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: one because there's still more to talk about here with

1154
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: the access stuff. But you know, another thing we're doing

1155
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: the project with ONYX. What we realized is that the

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: agencies often have no idea where they have legal accesses.

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: So they may have it may be you know, an

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: access easement that was granted forty years ago. You know

1159
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: that's in the basement of some you know BLM or

1160
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: four service office someplace in a cardboard file box. And

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01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: you know what Eric and the company found was that,

1162
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, there was a huge need to get that

1163
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: information digitized and out in the public sphere because it's

1164
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: makes it very hard for you or me or anybody

1165
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: to know really where legal access aren't roots are now.

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: So we haven't a bill that's being gonna dropped in

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: Congress soon. It would give the agencies the money to

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: go in and expert digitization of all these access areas.

1169
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: And you know that's something I testified in Congress on

1170
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, last year about the need to do this,

1171
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: because what the agencies told us was it you know,

1172
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: if we if we're left to ourselves under current time frame,

1173
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: it will probably take us twenty years to get the

1174
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: stuff all digitized. And that's just ridiculous. How often do

1175
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: you testify in front of Congress? So TRCP and two

1176
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen testified five times. I personally did three. I

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: think it fun. I mean if you sort of you

1178
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: know your stuff. And for us, it's not bad. I

1179
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: mean they're they're no hostile. They don't like bust your

1180
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: balls real bad now, Like I just did, you know,

1181
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: right in December, I did a c w D you

1182
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: know on the Senate side, you know, talked about that

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01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: with the Senate Environment Committee and it was super positive.

1184
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they had good questions, they had

1185
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: done their home work. You know, everyone from Barrasso from

1186
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, Wyoming to Jill Brand from New York and

1187
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: oh god, it's the guy who likes to be outside animals. No, no, no,

1188
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: mean again, this is in the weird way. This is

1189
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: one of those few issues that actually brings folks together

1190
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: in Congress. And I'm not just saying C T, B D.

1191
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that in conservation, hunting and fishing broadly. And

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01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: I remember right after the election when Trump got elected,

1193
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, Martin Heinrich came and talked to a policy counsel,

1194
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: which is the sort of collection of all the NGOs

1195
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: are part of the partnership, and he said, almost nothing

1196
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: is going to happen in Congress these next four years

1197
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: this positive, other than what's in your space. So he says,

1198
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: you guys have an unbelievable opportunity. Don't waste it. And

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01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think we've taken you know, his advice

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: on that one, and we've been pretty aggressive and asking

1201
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: for things and honestly been getting most of what we've

1202
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: been asking for. So I know, on the access thing,

1203
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: I think that's been you know pretty much. Yeah, a

1204
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: good story, because no matter what side of the aisle

1205
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: and you're on, you want to win if everything else

1206
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: is such a pain in the neck and not likely

1207
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: to get a win. One Plus, you just want to

1208
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: show you can govern and uh and do something that's

1209
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: important for your constituents. And it doesn't matter whether you're

1210
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: a Sierra Club member or a Safari Club member. I mean,

1211
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: these are things that you folks can agree on. Uh.

1212
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: In our notes here we have v p A HIP

1213
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: and three three seven three. Yeah, So three seven three

1214
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: is that tectory order I just mentioned from Dave Bernhardt.

1215
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: Vp A HIP is going back to the farm bills.

1216
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: We got a program in the two thousand eight farm

1217
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: bill at that time was known as open Fields, but

1218
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: the technical name was a voluntary public Access Habitat and

1219
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: Centives program. So this was a program that we just

1220
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: got expanded to fifty million dollars annually, which are competitive

1221
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: grants to states to negotiate walk in Easeyman's essention with

1222
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: private landers. So you have, you know, a lot of

1223
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: the actual money they can use and can they roll

1224
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: it into their existing programs. Absolutely, so they'll need to

1225
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: start some whole new damn thing. But part of the

1226
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: cool thing about the vp A HIP program is that

1227
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: you have states like Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania that have created

1228
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: walk in programs because all of a sudden, now there's

1229
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: a source of federal funding and you know, and they

1230
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: can supplement it with their own ways if they if

1231
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: possible exactly, and this has really started back and I

1232
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: think Kansas was the first state that really did this

1233
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: aggressively back with Steve Williams, who's you know, then became

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01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: Fishing Wilife Service Director under George W. Bush but it

1235
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: now runs wilde management and stupid. When he was Fishing

1236
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: Game director in Kansas, they created this walking program, you know,

1237
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: basically to get people out there, you know, pheasant hunting

1238
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: and up on bird hunting, and it became so popular.

1239
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: Counties were giving the states grants to create walking programs

1240
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: in these areas. Real quick. What what's talking about is

1241
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: pro and you know, depending where you are, your state

1242
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: has one or needs one. It's programs are landowners are

1243
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: compensated to get financial compensation UM to allow people public

1244
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: access to hunt fish on their lands. And these programs

1245
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: tend to UM are oftentimes UH hunting programs funded through

1246
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: hunting or access programs funding through hunting fishing, Like we

1247
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,919
Speaker 1: have the beast thing in Montana right now in Montana

1248
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: UM it's certain corners of license revenue fund the public

1249
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: access programs. So it's not like you're going you know,

1250
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: it's an internal thing. It's not like you're going out

1251
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: in tax and everyone on the landscape to allow hunting.

1252
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: It's something that that that hunters anglers are doing, you know,

1253
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: kind of a ford themselves through their agencies, through their

1254
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: state agencies, are with federal help. And the cool thing

1255
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: about the v p A hip program is it is

1256
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: also tied to conservation, so you don't have the risk

1257
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: of you know, some dude, you know, getting paid to

1258
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: open up his road crops, you know, to hunting and

1259
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: fishing where there's no no wildlife. So to the extent

1260
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: of that pro that land has already entered into other

1261
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: conservation programs c RP, CSP, you know, conservation easements, whatever

1262
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 1: it might be. They score higher, So there's the habitats

1263
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 1: can be much better in these types of programs. The

1264
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: other thing this is good about this is it takes

1265
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: liability away from the private landowner. So if you know,

1266
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: Cal trips and breaks his leg in a ditch, you know,

1267
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: he's not going to sue the landowner. State assumes that liability,

1268
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: so they will defend you know that, right, which not financially,

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Speaker 1: but I mean just like a shoulder to crutch. But

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Speaker 1: the reason county would support this program, right is, I

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01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many counties little townships we go

1272
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: through where it's it's very obvious the only money that's

1273
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: coming in is from recreation, whether that is hunting, fishing, floating,

1274
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: it's a local motel, it's the local diner. All these

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01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: folks are benefiting from this. And that's why you find

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Speaker 1: a Sioux Falls in November, and the big banner you

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01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: see is you leave the airport is welcome hunters because

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: it's such an economic driver. You station to Orange, the

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: big orange bush signs going to a gas station with

1280
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,839
Speaker 1: the meat eater crew. They're gonna get heard on snacks.

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: I've noticed, uh, Phil play the noise? How do you

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01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: describe that noise? I haven't labeled as a swish like

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: yeah the swish? Okay c w D thumbs up. I

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: mean it thumbs down, thumbs down, thumbs down. It thumbs

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01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: down in two ways. It thumbs down. I'm guessing the

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: primary way it thumbs down is it's spreading more counties

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01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean there's more testing revealing more spread. Yes,

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01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: how else is it thumbs down? The unwillingness of most

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: politicians to accept this is a real issue and deal

1290
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: with it. Why are they not scared shitless about what

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01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: this would mean for egg They ought to be everybody

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: sawing about like guys like me are like, well, what

1293
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: if how horrible would it be? What if a human

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01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: got c w D? But why why is the livestock

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: industry not considering what's gonna happen if CWD spreads into

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01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: sheep or cattle? It would be like a would be

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: like an egg apocalypse. Well, let's let's take it enough

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01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: step further. Let's say Norway is already banning the import

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01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: of agricultural products from cwdpositive areas because it's trying to

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: control CTB outbreak in reindeer in Norway. So how long

1301
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: has it told the EU bands agricultural imports from CDB

1302
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: depositive areas and as twenty six states right now have it.

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: That's a lot of CWD positive areas in NAG country,

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: and and they just aren't paying They're not paying attention.

1305
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, listen, I mean it's it's improving. They were.

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: We did I think three hearings this year in the

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01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: House on CDBD, so we're definitely making some progress in

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01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: the sense of getting people be aware of this. You

1309
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: know Mark VS, who's a Congressman from Texas around that

1310
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: Fort Worth area, who's going to get our big award

1311
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: this spring. You know, he went to the floor and

1312
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: the agg during the appropriation RCP honors one Democrat, one Republican,

1313
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: somebody from the private sector every year as a big

1314
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: fundraiser in April. Steve got the Private Sector War a

1315
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: few years ago. Uh this year, you know, the congressional

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: honorees are Mark Vsy from Texas and Garrett Graves, Republican

1317
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: from Louisiana. But Mark VS went to the floor during

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Speaker 1: the e appropriations bill and offered amendment to add fifteen

1319
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: million dollars to go to state fishing game agencies to

1320
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: help with surveillance and testing, which is the first thing

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: you need to do to get on top of c

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: w D. And that was unanimously adopted. So that comes

1323
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: over the Senate, which is great and h then you

1324
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: know the Senate Egg Appropriations Committee cuts that down to

1325
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: five million of which half went to state state agriculture

1326
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: departments for the captive services industry. So I'm to do testing.

1327
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe do testing. I don't know. I mean,

1328
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: we have no control to try to bigger. Well, that's

1329
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: who knows what it's gonna be. Maybe it's maybe it's

1330
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna be used for good things. But given our skepticism

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: a U. S D A and how they've dealt with

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01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: c b D, yeah, we have very little. They seems

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: like the one if you told me that let's say

1334
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: there's two boxes. Let's say I'm on a game show

1335
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: and there's two boxes, and behind each box is like

1336
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: behind one box is a car, brand new truck, and

1337
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: one box says c w D UM spreads to livestock,

1338
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: and one box says c w D spreads to humans.

1339
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: And if I got the answer right, I'd get the

1340
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: truck you're tracking me. I would absolutely be the live

1341
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: stock one. Yeah, as much more. They have four legs.

1342
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: It's now eating the same grass you know, all the rest,

1343
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: and you think that I don't know why, Like so

1344
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: see that's one of the things that messages me about

1345
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: c w D is I look and I'm like, what

1346
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: am I missing? If I'm scared shitless, but if those

1347
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: people aren't scared, maybe I'm wrong. Well, I mean, listen,

1348
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: I mean you know there's a cottage industry out there

1349
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: of folks who are Jason saying this is a hoax

1350
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: not to be believed. And I don't understand that part though,

1351
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: I get it, Like I don't listen. I try. I

1352
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: try not to be like group think dude on this stuff.

1353
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: How is it a hoax when a deer dies, is

1354
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: laying there dead and it's got the symptomology, Like, where's

1355
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: the hoax? Always been around, never jumped to humans, nothing

1356
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: to worry about, did not come out of the captain

1357
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: served industry, the captain deer farms have nothing to do

1358
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: with the spread. Yeah, I agree with you. That's what

1359
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: I tell everybody. I'm like, man, yeah, I hope I'm

1360
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: wrong on a lot of things every day. But the

1361
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: disease transmission stuff, your research, it's funded by the U.

1362
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,959
Speaker 1: S d A. Like it all comes down like uh, Iowa, Ohio,

1363
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: all these egg schools. The U. S d A is

1364
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: paying for a lot of that research. And yeah, it's

1365
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: it's bizarre to me. Okay, I'm trying to what's the

1366
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: late Okay, Texas. How long When did Texas first get

1367
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: c w D. I don't know. It was a while ago,

1368
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: but it's done a much better job in the other

1369
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 1: states of controlling it. Texas that there was a recent case,

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 1: I think in December. But I'm saying I'm trying to

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm trying to better understand, and I got a pretty

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: good understand. Like a c w D denier used to

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: be someone who didn't think it was a thing. Now

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01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: a c w D denier is someone like this kind

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: of stuff changes like being I mentioned this a couple

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Being a Republican used to be you were

1377
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: like free trade. Now it doesn't. C w D denier

1378
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: used to be that you didn't think it was a thing.

1379
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: Now it's morphed into it's a thing. But it doesn't matter.

1380
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: It's like what it means to deny, it has moved.

1381
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: So the current thing are people are there people who

1382
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: are saying that a new state to get CWD solder

1383
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: are they saying that if you went to Texas twenty

1384
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: years ago and did all the monitoring, you would have

1385
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: found it like it's always been there. Like what exactly

1386
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to try to get inside these guys heads. UM,

1387
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: but I think that's probably gonna say it that's been

1388
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: around that you could have you could have gone out

1389
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: and if you did all this testing they were now doing,

1390
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: nobody was looking for it. Then yeah, like what you

1391
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: know that The thing I think about you here, like

1392
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: like Montana had his first case a year or two ago,

1393
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you look like then

1394
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: there's like twenty some cases. But I'm like, yeah, well,

1395
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're monitoring every deer that comes

1396
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: out of certain areas, so you see a big increase, UM,

1397
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: and then now at least have a baseline. But if

1398
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: you go from zero testing to testing, that launch is

1399
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: going to give you an increase. What matters is after

1400
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: five years of testing, what happens and you know you

1401
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: talked to uh, you know, the beautiful and lovely Doug Durn,

1402
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: who's really out there in his area, is trying to

1403
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: be impactful about this, and he's able to point to

1404
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: what is testing. Okay, we were doing exhaustive testing, so

1405
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: we have multiple exhaustive testings to look at to see increase.

1406
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: But I just don't understand arguing that, um, that it

1407
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: was always there, because I'm like where, right, No, I agree,

1408
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: if it was always there, it wouldn't be everywhere. Yeah,

1409
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: So the it's pretty clear, and you can look at

1410
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: the maps that show the sort of spread and it's something.

1411
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: There's something like it doesn't it spreads like how ship spreads. Yes, well,

1412
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: it spreads faster than ship spreads because you can throw

1413
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: a captive deer in the back of a truck and

1414
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: zip it across the country and you know, on a

1415
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: Greyhound bus and you know, it's all of a sudden,

1416
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, mixing with other deer and getting dropped off

1417
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: here and getting one picked up there. So yeah, but

1418
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: when I was saying, when you have a a new infection,

1419
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,560
Speaker 1: you find a new infection, it spreads like in a

1420
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: way you would imagine it would spread, like it's a

1421
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: it's a circle that girls and girls and grows exactly

1422
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: and you may pop up other places which you know

1423
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: you scratch your head about, but you know that's the truck.

1424
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: And let's listen, it's not just captive guys. Could be

1425
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, me throwing a truck deer in the back

1426
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: of my pickup and driving a few states and addressing

1427
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: it and dumping it there. Well, if you listen to

1428
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: the guys that are really I don't want to use

1429
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: the word the people who are sounding the greatest alarm. Um,

1430
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: why is it not that you move to hay bail? Yep,

1431
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: Because the prions are in the hay bale there, in

1432
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: the dirt they touch, you can't kill him. Why is

1433
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: it not moving to hay bill? I mean, you're exactly right.

1434
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 1: The frustrating part is an apple. I heard that recently

1435
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: members of Congress have staff and they ought to be

1436
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: better informed on this. I mean I had a member,

1437
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, say to me, well, at the end of

1438
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: the day, I we just gonna have to cook our

1439
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: meat longer. Yeah, well done. I think we should be

1440
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: throwing you know what, if you're a guy, if you're

1441
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: a denier, whatever the hell that means these days, God

1442
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: bless you. Um. I feel like, if you're a denier,

1443
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: you should be just saying. I feel like we should

1444
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: throw a lot of money at it so I could

1445
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: be proven right, right, dude. I I would when I

1446
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: have an argument with someone, I would spend money to

1447
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: prove I'm right, So prove you're right. I think we

1448
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: should be throwing a lot of money at it because

1449
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: this is like a huge, mongous deal and it's not

1450
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: a hunting deal, as you already it is. That's my

1451
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: avenue into it. But I would but if you care

1452
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: about even if you care about the livestock industry, and

1453
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: I do, I'm like, you know, how's it going save

1454
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: a cow stop a condo? What's that? Bumpers? Yeah, like

1455
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: col's not condos? Whatever? Yeah, dude. Yeah. So anyway, that's

1456
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: been that's been really frustrating because we thought we had

1457
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: that fifteen million, then the Senate cut it down to

1458
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: two and a half million, and you'd divide two and

1459
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: a half million up between fifty states. Yeah, that's just

1460
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: meaningless practically hilarious to think about when we talk about

1461
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: these amounts of money. Then to think about like the

1462
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: wealth held by person uh you know we're always talking

1463
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: about like Pittman Roberts the money. Then um, like Jeff

1464
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Bezos could Jeff Bezos could give that amount of money

1465
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: every year and not and not notice it. Oh yeah,

1466
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. I said, I was working with those guys

1467
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: in sacrament on the one game. Turned to me and

1468
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you know this issue. It's just not

1469
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's not enough private money to fix this.

1470
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: And I was like, can you say, the dude who

1471
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: owns this ranch owns three sports franchises. I think you

1472
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: just doesn't want to pay for it. All's all right.

1473
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: What we gotta do is we gotta get Congress to

1474
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: really step up on this issue. Now, they did kick forward,

1475
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, one point seven two million. They're going to U.

1476
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: S g s for additional research into CWD, and that's good.

1477
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: There's also a National Academy Science study is gonna be

1478
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: going into look at transmission vectors, look at the U.

1479
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: S D A herd certification program, which is a joke,

1480
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: and other things. So there's gonna be some positive stuff

1481
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: that comes out of this year. But just given the

1482
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: threat and how fast this thing is spreading, the notion

1483
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: that you know, we're gonna you know, kick out two

1484
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars to state fishing walife agents

1485
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: expect that to make a difference is just incredibly frustrating. No,

1486
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: it is. You know, Yeah, when you wake up in

1487
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: a few years and you're watching news footage of people

1488
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: are using heavy equipment to dig bassive trenches that are

1489
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: burning millions of sheep and cattle like you did from

1490
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: Ireland when Mad Colin scrapy. Yeah, then you'd be like, uh,

1491
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: pr modernization. This is I'm a little like Cal. I'm

1492
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: a little I like if I'm a little skeptical. Yeah down,

1493
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: So you love it? Thumbs up, you love it, Cal,

1494
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: He's like thumbs even. No, I mean listen, I mean

1495
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: I originally had the same reaction you guys did. No, no, no, no, no,

1496
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm just skeptical, skeptical, curious. So let me give a

1497
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: little background here so folks know what we're talking about.

1498
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: So Pitt and Robertson program is the exercise tax that

1499
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: hunters pay, you know, on you know, guns, MMO archery

1500
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: equipment that basically funds you know, goes out to the

1501
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: states and funds conservation. There's an equivalent on the fish side,

1502
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: which was the Dingle Johnson program, then got changed the

1503
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: right name for Dingle Johnson, Dingle Johns names, and that's

1504
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: the exercise TAXI pittn. Robinson past I think in nineteen

1505
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: thirties six or thirty seven, Uh, Dingle Johnson past in

1506
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty I think. And so which kicks off more morning,

1507
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: The fish and one, or the fishing tackle one or

1508
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: the hunting equipment one. I think they're more or less

1509
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: even there are a lot more or fishermen, but the

1510
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: hunters buy a lot more, especially Amo. Yeah, but the

1511
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: fisherman man when they buy boat gas, they buy boat

1512
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: gas that goes by gas that's hit by an excise

1513
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: tax exactly. So, but in the fish side they can

1514
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: use a states can use a small percentage of that

1515
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: for marketing, essentially to for the R three as we

1516
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: call it, you know, to recruit, retain, reactivate anglers. So

1517
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: that's why you see things like they take Me Fishing program. Uh,

1518
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: they've done a similar one reaching out Hispanic community of

1519
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: almost the scar program. My Spanish is terrible, I apologize,

1520
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: but those have really changed the decline and fishing the

1521
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: philis down that's like two years of French. So yeah,

1522
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: three thumbs down if I could do so. Anyway, So

1523
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: that the that take Me Fishing campaign has really reversed

1524
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: the decline and fishing numbers and it's going back up

1525
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 1: and you know a pretty aggressive rate, and it's reaching

1526
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,839
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, his communities like Hispanic community

1527
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: that typically get you know, left in the crack you know,

1528
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: by our hunting and fishing community. So but because in

1529
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, nobody could envision the need to advertise

1530
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: and recruit hunters because basically had everybody was hunting at

1531
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: that point, either because it was during the depression they

1532
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: needed food or you know, post World War One going

1533
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: into World War Two, you had a large ye like

1534
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a quarter as many Americans, but

1535
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: the same number of hundreds exactly. And so there was

1536
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: no idea that we actually would need to use some

1537
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: of this money for you know, the marketing. But you

1538
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: know that's changed and the fish Walleye surveys in the

1539
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: last year two surveys for five year period, hunting went

1540
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: from you know, thirteen and a half million people to

1541
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: eleven and a half I mean, and so you know,

1542
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 1: the long term impacts implications of that on conservation funding

1543
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: are huge. So we wanted to do like fighting the

1544
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 1: animal rights movement absolutely, yeah, So what we want to

1545
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: make sure is that we give the States the same

1546
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: ability on the hunting side as you have on the

1547
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: fishing side to use a small amount of those funds

1548
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: for marketing. Now, I had groups like you know, Wildlife

1549
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Society and Wildlife Federation argue that money is dedicated for

1550
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: bat you know, and a little pulls it off mission.

1551
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 1: And I would say, we are in the desk spiral,

1552
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: so you know, if you want more money for habitat

1553
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: and good stuff coming out of PR, you better get

1554
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: more hunters into the game. And that that's the argument

1555
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: that swayed me because they were also trying to make

1556
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: it that you could use PR money to create public

1557
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 1: shooting ranges. You can already do that, you could know?

1558
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: That was like, but that was like recent. I don't

1559
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: think so. No. I think you just might be the

1560
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: first time in your life that I've ever known more

1561
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: than you. This might be the first time I've ever

1562
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: known more on you about something. But I think that

1563
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 1: it was like PR money couldn't go to public shooting

1564
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: ranges until something happened, like some point in time in

1565
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: the last handful of years. Well, we'll figure that out.

1566
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: You could be right about that. I thought, I know

1567
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: that that would pay money to know that I'm right,

1568
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier, But let me but here's the thing.

1569
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: Here's what I remember about the debate. Debate was one

1570
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: that everyone went out and shot old washing machines up

1571
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: out in the woods, and it was trying to like

1572
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: get that centralise shooting so that everybody didn't have their

1573
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: own patch of their own gravel pit where they went

1574
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: and through cans and bottles and appliances out and blue

1575
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: holes in it. So you're trying to reduce that, and

1576
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: everything was did. It would if people have more places

1577
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: to shoot and feel more comfortable shooting, they're buying more

1578
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: sporting this equipment, they're buying more ammunition and more money.

1579
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: And so it was like viewed as like an investment

1580
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: in the PR fund because most of the PR money

1581
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: doesn't come from hunters. Most of PR money comes from shooters.

1582
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: If an old granny New Jersey has a pocket pistol,

1583
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: she probably paid into PR exactly. She might be an

1584
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: anti hunter, yea. And if you're a you're a decent hunter,

1585
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: you're maybe do one box off m a year. That's

1586
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: a guy that's a friend's mind. Like at the NSSF

1587
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: they're laughing about is Um one of these guys Like,

1588
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I hunt all the time. I got like

1589
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: a gun that I got from my dad. I buy

1590
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: like a box of shells every few years. I'm not

1591
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: the guy kicking into this fund. The guy kicking into

1592
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: this fund is shooting is two two three down the range. Now,

1593
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: granted there's a lot of cross over there. Yeah, but

1594
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean just this funny point, and it's like hunters

1595
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: are the ones that are eyes like pr PR pivot robbers,

1596
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: and you know, a little bit blind like where the

1597
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: bulk of that money is coming from. But I just

1598
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: think we need to do something out there to you know,

1599
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: engage attract people because you know, the demographics hunting are

1600
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: not great either. I mean it's an old white and

1601
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 1: getting older and at some point they're going to drop

1602
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: off that cliff because Phil starting to hunt, how do you, Phil? Yeah,

1603
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: we're all set now I'll get at But you know,

1604
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: and again we actually are seeing some good growth. I mean,

1605
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: obviously women are coming into hunting, you know, in a

1606
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: way they haven't in the past, which is great. I mean,

1607
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: I think you guys have been instrumental as we're getting

1608
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: that food side of people coming into hunting because they

1609
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: want to have harvest their own, locally sourced, high protein,

1610
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: non GMO meat. Yeah. So I think those areas are

1611
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: seeing growth, which is why you combine things like CWD,

1612
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: which is scary and may push people away from hunting.

1613
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: And and the fact that we haven't the all the

1614
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: advertise hunting you know those are you know, that's the

1615
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: death spiral. So you love it. I love it two thumbs,

1616
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: two thumbs. Oh not even kind of tipped to the side.

1617
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: And again you can't use No state is gonna yet

1618
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: they can't. But no state would take all that money

1619
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: and just do advertising campaigns because that's not what they do.

1620
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: So it's just you know, that didn't happen on the

1621
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, the fishing side. So yeah, the Recreational Boating

1622
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 1: and Fishing Foundation was funded through the Dingle Johnston funds,

1623
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: the wallet Bro funds, and you know they get you know,

1624
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: maybe like seven million dollars a year to run these

1625
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: big national campaigns on take me fishing. And it's worked

1626
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: and we've showed this worked. Okay, Phil, play the sound.

1627
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: If you want a primer on big grain migrations, you

1628
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: should go listen to scroll back down through the episodes.

1629
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Here's a good research question for someone sitting here. Uh no,

1630
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: I remember the name of it. Scroll back down and

1631
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast episode that we did called land

1632
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Escape of Fear and it's a primer on big game migration.

1633
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 1: So pause the episode right now before it starts talking.

1634
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Listen to Landscape of Fear, and then in a couple

1635
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: of hours we'll see you as you come back to

1636
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 1: hear whether we has thumbs up or thumbs down big

1637
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: game migrations meaning uh, basically, what that comes down to

1638
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: is meaning the viability and productiveness of lands that are

1639
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: used by migrating big game. They're used by big game.

1640
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: How do we how are we doing? We know a

1641
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: lot more about it. That's because of what you learned

1642
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: when you listen to the Landscape of Fear. Is like

1643
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: how we're starting to learn about how animals use the

1644
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: landscape because of emerging technologies exactly. And this is something

1645
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: that you know has really I think Wyoming to a

1646
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: large degreece where pioneered this, you know, with a lot

1647
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: of beginning with Path of the prong Horn, but then

1648
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that Hall Sawyer and you know,

1649
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: guys like that have done in terms Matt Kaufman in

1650
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: terms of the mule deer migrations, and not only did

1651
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: they get good data, they got such cool video footage

1652
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: and really captured the imagination and national geographic picked it

1653
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: up and pushed it out, and so all of a

1654
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: sudden it became sexy. And then you know, Dave Bernhardt,

1655
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: his predecessor, Ryan Zinky, you know, did a Secretary order

1656
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: I think three to something like that that, uh, you know,

1657
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: basically told the federal agencies within the Department the Interior

1658
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: to work together to identify these migration corridors and to

1659
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: take the conservation actions necessary to protect them. Yeah. When

1660
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: you listen to Landscape, I fear there everyone that just

1661
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: rejoined us. You you'll remember the part where we're talking

1662
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: about with emerging technologies around GPS and and things, um,

1663
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 1: identifying little things that could be patches of ground seventy

1664
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: five yards wide along the edge of a lake that

1665
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of animals passed through. And the ability to

1666
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: be so targeted about like this little thing really matters.

1667
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: It allows you to be It allows you be really precise.

1668
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: You know. So we are arguing with the Department of

1669
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Interior early on this. You know, this administration and are

1670
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, are encouraging them to do this. You know,

1671
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the points are pretty simple. I mean, it's an inter agency,

1672
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: so you want to talk about you know, we're breaking

1673
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: down the silence between the different agencies, a state, federal,

1674
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: private collaboration. It's you know, highly charismitic megafauna. It is

1675
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: relatively small areas of actual conservation because you know, yeah,

1676
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to protect some broader areas, but otherwise

1677
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: it's just a pinch point here or there. And I said,

1678
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: you can use a bunch of other people's money, you know,

1679
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: for example, in the transportation bill, the highway bill. You know,

1680
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: we just got two and two and fifty million dollars

1681
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: in the Senate version for an experimental program over five

1682
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: years for highway crossings, for big game migrations, and for

1683
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: aquatic connectivity. Are you weird? Are you awhere that those

1684
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,560
Speaker 1: are controversial? Well, I know they are in place like

1685
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: Island Parkatto. In general, No, they're not that controversial. Tell

1686
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: you where it is. The massive government take over this

1687
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: country really went downhill and they made an overpass so

1688
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: so many animals didn't get killed on the highway. That's

1689
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: when I knew America had I'd had enough of this country.

1690
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 1: I want right to hit a deer if I can. Anyway.

1691
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, most of the time it's not controversial, and

1692
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: I think that you know. So the way it happened

1693
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: under this administration is they put out in order all

1694
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Western states and focused on three species mule, deer, elk,

1695
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: and pronghorn. Told the states to nominate three to five

1696
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: core migration corridors and you know, then the Partment of

1697
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: the Interior would you know, basically commit resources to helping

1698
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: protect those. Joe was a rumor. Uh, let me to

1699
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: keep interrupting about this a lot, du because I'm doing it.

1700
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But it was a rumor that they're using it to

1701
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: um move the deer away from public hunting areas. I

1702
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that one channel them there. It's it's in viros,

1703
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: channeling the deer into helping them pick routes where they

1704
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: won't be uh subject to getting shot at. It was

1705
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: it was hard training those initial gears with the tall

1706
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: callers to go those different routs they've never been before.

1707
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: After they got through that hurdle, then yeah, no, I

1708
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: mean that's just you know, it's just that crazy talk.

1709
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: This does even makes sense for everybody. And you know,

1710
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that you know, we've seen the you know,

1711
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: the Highway bill is going to contain this program. We've

1712
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: seen states you know, Wyoming, has you know, done, has

1713
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: sort of been lead on this, but they're even Mark

1714
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Gordon is doing executive order right now that you know,

1715
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: is laying out how to formalize this process moving forward

1716
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: as they designate new ones. Those big lefties over in Wyoming. Yeah, uh,

1717
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, Poles administration in Colorado pushed through an executive

1718
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: order on migration quarters. So you're seeing it have ripple

1719
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: effects in a variety of different states in the West.

1720
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: On the one on one right, um to um. Yeah,

1721
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: that the wildlife crossing over the one on one freeway

1722
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: in California outside of l A, there's anything using it. Wait,

1723
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: it's not going to be complete sometime this year, I think,

1724
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: is what they're saying. But that's the going to be

1725
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: the most expensive overpass in the United States imate we

1726
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: heard from one guy. Never fact checked him on this,

1727
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: but an angry listener wrote in and I was talking

1728
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: about all this money they spent building one. Maybes in

1729
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: Washington State. Someone they spent a bunch of money building

1730
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: one and then it just didn't work. I mean that

1731
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: was said like a coyote went over that. Never fact check.

1732
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: You gotta give these things time. And you know, at

1733
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: our net did a pretty good video that's on our

1734
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: website that's one of talks about this. Yeah, you gotta

1735
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: give them a little bit of time to work. A second,

1736
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: you have to have fencing, you know, that goes along

1737
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: with them, because you have to funnel the animals towards this,

1738
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 1: because getting to do something they don't normally do. But

1739
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think they they certainly in Wyoming, you know,

1740
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: the evidence is overwhelming along with other places that once

1741
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: they figure this out, they use them like crazy, and

1742
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: not just you know, one species, but a host of

1743
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: different space small mammals, birds preferred to fly over them.

1744
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: They've got like reptile crossings in New Jersey. Yeah, so

1745
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: it's you know they've got you know, it makes sense

1746
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: on a number of different levels. I remember when I

1747
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: was a kid, snapper turtles eys get hit real bad

1748
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: when you're driving Nord to Mouskegan Marsh and um, they

1749
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: put up this really low fence, like a knee high

1750
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: fence that channeled snapping turtles into the right thing. I

1751
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: remember people feeling mad about it, just like kind of

1752
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,799
Speaker 1: like this, like those idiots. It's like and I remember

1753
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: thinking like what, like what exactly is the problem, right,

1754
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,799
Speaker 1: But it just insulted people that someone would spend effort

1755
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: to have lots of snapping turtles every June when they're

1756
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: going to lay eggs not get killed. They wanted to

1757
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: see them get killed. If you had a snapping turtle

1758
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, it keeps you awake. Yeah,

1759
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: and they're like insulted by I remember calling people in

1760
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: my own family were like, I rolly about the fact

1761
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: that you would try to keep all your snapping turtles

1762
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: from getting crushed on the highway When they come up

1763
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: to lay it's this giant marsh and it's like, really

1764
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: for them, it looks like suitable nesting habitats. They need

1765
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: to get out and dig a home in the sand.

1766
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: And you build this big artificial thing and every turtle

1767
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 1: in the area tries to come up there and get

1768
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: smacked by a thing, and people are like, just I

1769
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 1: don't know, no, I don't know. Well, anyway, I think overall,

1770
01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: the the migration corridor stuff has been really a positive thing.

1771
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: I think it's spreading and it's got good momentum, and

1772
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: the exception of a few weird places, it's not controversial.

1773
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: Something again that I think everyone can agree on that

1774
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: sure things though, fisheries i'd say mixed bag, you know,

1775
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: sort of sideways seat thumbs. You know. So a lot

1776
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: of the fisheries one of the big issues with fisheries,

1777
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: well we got you know, fisheries is a broad term.

1778
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: You mean, there's fresh water to the salt water up.

1779
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: So you know, a lot of the folcus we've been

1780
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 1: doing is on the you know, the saltwater side of

1781
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 1: the marine fisheries. Now, we did get a bill passed

1782
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: and you know late last year the year before called

1783
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: the Modern Fish Act, which for the first time recognized

1784
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: that recreational fish should be managed differently than commercial fish.

1785
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Commercial fish, you know, are really managed for maximum stained yield.

1786
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you need instantaneous data. You're pushing that

1787
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: species right to the edge, and you have to have

1788
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 1: really good data for that. And you can do that

1789
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: with commercial fishing because you have a limited number of

1790
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,799
Speaker 1: ports and you can actually count the fish wreck fishing,

1791
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: you can't do that. I mean, you have people spread

1792
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: out everywhere, a million little docks, marinas, and there is

1793
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: always but you can't manage them the same way. So

1794
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: instead of trying to you push that commercial management paradigm

1795
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: downe on the wreck fishing, which is what Noah National

1796
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: Maale and Fishery Service has always done, and to the

1797
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: point where we're getting a ton of controversy and things

1798
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,640
Speaker 1: like red snapper in the Gulf where the lack of

1799
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: certainty on numbers were causing the agencies to shut down

1800
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: the fishery in nine days and seven days and three days.

1801
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: So if you and I were planning a trip down there,

1802
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: we'd have no idea. We booked our hotel room, we

1803
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: booked our guide with the season would actually be open

1804
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,799
Speaker 1: or not. It's just not the way to manage recreational fishing.

1805
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: So Modern Fish Act passed and it did a few

1806
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: different things, I mean the main one said to the

1807
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: National Marie and fisher Reservice, you have the ability to

1808
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 1: try these different things that may work better for recreational fishermen.

1809
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: Let's use the waterfowl model. Yeah, So go out and

1810
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: you do surveys and the Arctic of what the breeding

1811
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: populations are going to be. You look at how many

1812
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: ducks get shot, and then you set a season. You

1813
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: know when it opens, you know what the bag them.

1814
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be the end of that season to reevaluate.

1815
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Now you have to be pretty conservative and for that

1816
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 1: to work because you can't be way off or else

1817
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: you just crush the species. So honestly, it's better for

1818
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: conservation anyway, if you were to apply that model for

1819
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: breck fishing, which is the same way with the model

1820
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: we do on fresh water fisheries, you know, be at

1821
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: largemouth bass or trout or anything else. I mean, there's

1822
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: a bag limit, you know what it is. You know

1823
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: when the season starts, you know when it ends, And

1824
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: we just haven't been doing that recreational side. So now

1825
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 1: that's gonna get changed. And a lot of these sort

1826
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: of hot button fisheries, and the hot button fisheries are

1827
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: the ones where you have nicked stocks. So part of

1828
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: its commercial, part of it's recreational, red snapper being a

1829
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: classic case. The all recreational stocks, things like red fish,

1830
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,839
Speaker 1: you know, bone fish, tarpin, those are all well managed

1831
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: because they're managed with that same sort of precautionary principle

1832
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: that we managed water fell with. And so so we

1833
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: finally got that changed. Now the agencies, in the process

1834
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: of going through a bunch of rulemaking, determined how it

1835
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: might use that and there are different ways you could

1836
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: do it. You could do a tag system, you could

1837
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: do you know, these bag limits. You could do fathom

1838
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 1: limits where you know, outside for ground fish under a

1839
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: certain levels, wreck fishing outside of its commercial that's like

1840
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: in Washington's a lot of things like you can fish

1841
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: within at different times a year, within certain depths, so

1842
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 1: you deal with a lot of the bycatch issues with

1843
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, so it's us being a little

1844
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: bit more creative. But the agency, because that wasn't the

1845
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: way it was used to doing things on commercial side,

1846
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: was always very reluctant to do that. Now it has

1847
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: a green light to do it. The other thing that

1848
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: the agency was where you're reluctant to do was to

1849
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: use you know, different data collection techniques. So it would,

1850
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, do telephone surveys and mail surveys asking you

1851
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: how many fish you count, you know, last summer, which

1852
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: needless to say, we're not highly accurate, highly accurate, not

1853
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: instant talking to a bunch of let me tell you

1854
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: about this one in particular, take your arm off. So

1855
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: the state's got so frustrated with that's a bunch of

1856
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: the states period their own and basically you know, yeah,

1857
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: iPhone based systems where you're basically doing instantaneous reporting. You

1858
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: don't have to tell where your honey hoole is, but

1859
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: you tell, you know, how many fish you caught, what

1860
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: general size, and you know. So all of a sudden

1861
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: you have, you know, this instantaneous data on the wreck side,

1862
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: which the agencies had never had before. And so part

1863
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: of what the Modern Fish Act did was again give

1864
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: them a National Maine Fisheries Service the green light to

1865
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: use these alternative data mechanisms, you know, to manage the fisheries.

1866
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: And l a creole is one Louisiana. There's a separate

1867
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: one in Florida. There's a separate one in Texas. But

1868
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: they just make a ton more sense than you know,

1869
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: this modern age than a telephone survey months after the fact,

1870
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the telephone series in Montana. I wholly buy

1871
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: into the system. I do, but every year I'm like, uh, yeah,

1872
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 1: you got a buck? Well what region um? And what

1873
01:40:54,880 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 1: unit my aunt's place? You know? Okay, do you know

1874
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: this that um in South like at our fish shack

1875
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: and in Southeast Alaska. No, there's just like an order

1876
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: to come down no nonplagic rock fish whatsoever. God, those

1877
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: things are tasty. I saw the yellow I mean obviously yellow.

1878
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 1: No non player. I think it's to protect the yellow eye,

1879
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: but no non plagics, which has major implications for US fishing,

1880
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: because you're gonna be no matter what you're doing, you're

1881
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 1: pulling up a lot of rock fish, you're gonna be

1882
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 1: like sending a lot of rockfish down to the bottom

1883
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 1: with release devices. Yeah, and no more targeting yellow eyes.

1884
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 1: I bought a new Damn Rod four jigging yellow and

1885
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 1: talk about an easy getting a kid fishing fish. Yeah.

1886
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: But I've been putting a lot of energy into um

1887
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 1: pioneering some new green ling and flounder spots. So it's gonna,

1888
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, Brodie Henderson, right now it's timey some flounder flies.

1889
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: Uh say, may do. We're still gonna we're we'll still um,

1890
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 1: we'll still put some food on the plate. Yeoh okay.

1891
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 1: So uh I just got sent this last night a

1892
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: Texas Parks and Wildlife apparently just um try a case convicted. Yeah,

1893
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: I got fined twenty six thousand dollars for being sixteen

1894
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: or seventeen red snapper over the limit from last year. Yeah. Yeah,

1895
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: that's that's as far as I got into it, So

1896
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: that's I got right. So obviously red snapper is pretty

1897
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 1: hot button for a while, and it's I think a

1898
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 1: lot of the controversy and when it snappers calmed down.

1899
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: Since you know this, you know, the Modern Fish Act

1900
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: passed and basically the FEDS turned over management to the

1901
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: States and the States are doing a good job. Tell

1902
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,600
Speaker 1: about the Manhattan deal. So man hayden Is is the

1903
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: basically the base of the food chain on the East Coast.

1904
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: It's also in the Gulf. It's a little fish, it's

1905
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: called bunker, it's called pogy and super oily. You don't

1906
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: want to eat it, but everything else wants to eat it.

1907
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: And the bat fish of choice, right, great fish of choice,

1908
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: and not just for you know, striped bass and wheat

1909
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:12,879
Speaker 1: fish and blue fish, but for whales, for eagles, for osprey,

1910
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 1: you name it. And that's one of my that's one

1911
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: of the areas where I have least experience hanging around,

1912
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: like the Atlantic. All right, we can that part of it,

1913
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: that chunk of the Atlantic. So you know, in the

1914
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: in the old days, back in the nine hundreds, there

1915
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: were these you know, basically reduction industries up and down

1916
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 1: the East coast, and the reduction industries will go out

1917
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: in the perse se reduction so they would catch these

1918
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, the man Hayden, bring them back, grind them up,

1919
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 1: reduce them to fish food, to pellets, to fish oil,

1920
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: fertilize er, to variety of others. So you go down

1921
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 1: to the drug store and buy ere olmate, you're you're

1922
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: eating probably man haden, your your fish oil pills. Yes, yes,

1923
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: which are useless, but it's fine, um yeah, so over

1924
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: time because it keep you alive forever. So you tell

1925
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 1: me that that the supplementary, I have no drug industries

1926
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: lied to me. I actually have no idea a way

1927
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: outside my comfort zone on that. We call that big Vita.

1928
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: Big Vitas lied to me. So back in the turn

1929
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: of century, you had these reduction fisheries up and down

1930
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the East coast and to the point where they almost

1931
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: wiped out Manhadian and basically almost wiped out everything that

1932
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: eats them because big schooling fishing just get on them

1933
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: and claw room. Right, yeah, I mean the way it's

1934
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: done today and today so basically a state by state

1935
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: band started banning this type of fishing. Only one state

1936
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 1: still allows it in the Atlantic and that's Virginia and

1937
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: has one plant owned by a company called Omega Seafood,

1938
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,640
Speaker 1: which was recently purchased by cook which is the you know,

1939
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: they they have big aquaculture salmon farming, no different cooking.

1940
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: They have salmon farming operations on the Atlantic up in

1941
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: Canada and Maine. They have had a mountain Puget Sound.

1942
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: They got kicked out of Washington State because are such

1943
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: bad actors. Tons of Clean Water Act violations, tons of

1944
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: escapements for Atlantic salmon and steel that habitat. So not

1945
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: a great company. But anyway, they own Omega, so one

1946
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: plant still owns it. You can imagine when that guy

1947
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: gets sitting around and complaining big cigar in his mouth,

1948
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. So anyway, so this one plant,

1949
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, catches eighty plus percent of all the commercial

1950
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: Menhayden in the Atlantic, and it has your big boats,

1951
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: has Spotter plant. The only fishing Virginia waters they can

1952
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: fish in, you know, so federal internet. So they go

1953
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: outside three miles three miles that three to two hundred

1954
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: that's the federal waters. So they can do out there.

1955
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: And then they also been fishing there. It's three to

1956
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: two d oh, where to get seventy miles from something

1957
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: that it's based off the bank, like with the drop off.

1958
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: Maybe this was all done back and then you know

1959
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: when Magnuson Act came into early in the nineties seventies,

1960
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: go off R three miles you can catch menhaden and

1961
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: federal waters. Yeah. Oh, then he's going off anyone's coast.

1962
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: So that's where you was front page of New York

1963
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 1: Times past year because you know, they the big bunker

1964
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 1: schools were up there off a long island, and whales

1965
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: and all the whale watching boats were out there, you know,

1966
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 1: watching this spectacle of nature. And here comes Omega with

1967
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 1: a spotter planes and it's a little you know, big

1968
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,600
Speaker 1: factory ships and this you know, this persone boats and

1969
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 1: comes out circling around them, scooping them up, while the

1970
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: whales are out there hitting them, and while the recreational

1971
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: angles around the spite stripe bastard blitzing them. Everyone's pissed.

1972
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: And here it goes gets brought back so ground up

1973
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 1: in a fish food to be sent to Canada to

1974
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: feed alcuaculture salmon, another totally unsustainable industry, and to get

1975
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,560
Speaker 1: shipped back into the US you know. It's so you

1976
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 1: can buy salmon that has an ingredients list on it. Yeah,

1977
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: you know when you buy salmon and you see this

1978
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: gut ingredients because like normally you don't need a label stuff.

1979
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: But since they died, it red and all sorts of

1980
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: antibiotics should say sam yep sam with the asterix. So anyway,

1981
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: so Omega we've been trying to do is change the

1982
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 1: way men Hayden are managed to go from single species management,

1983
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: which is basically how many fish can you kill before

1984
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: you crash the stock, to an ecosystem management, meaning what

1985
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: does the ecosystem need? And then based on that, how

1986
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: many can take out without messing things up. And that's

1987
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna happen this coming year. And it's been a

1988
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: pretty nasty fight all along. Meantime, this past year, OMEGA

1989
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: decided it didn't like, you know, the federal limits, the

1990
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Atlanta States Marine Fisheries Commission limits on Man Hayden and

1991
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: so it just decided to give a big middle finger

1992
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: to the agency and went in and blew through its

1993
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 1: cap for the chest Peak Bay and so caught you know,

1994
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: millions of extra pounds of fish. So they were I

1995
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: think expecting and who knows what was inside their head

1996
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: that you know, they could go to Secretary of the Interior,

1997
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross and get him to waive

1998
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: any sort of penalties. Now, you know, we as the

1999
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: wreck fishing community as well as Atlanta States Marine Fisheries

2000
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: Commission and every single state on the Atlantic, including Virginia.

2001
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Because the recent governor does not like that fishery voted,

2002
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, to basically find Virginia and Omega out of

2003
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: compliance and penalize them. So that fishery Virginia itself find

2004
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: yes absolutely and so that you know, Wilbur Ross, to

2005
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 1: his credit, you have rule in favor of the commission

2006
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: and shut down that fishery. Now that doesn't really mean

2007
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: anything because the fisher is shut down the winter anyway.

2008
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: This just happened in December, um. But what it means

2009
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: is that now the state has to come into compliance

2010
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a penalty for all those fish

2011
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: extra that it caught out of the Chesspeak Bay. It's

2012
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: going to get reduced that from its overall quota. Now, listen,

2013
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 1: I think they ought to be kicked out of the

2014
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: Chesspeak Bay altogether. I'd love to see this, you know

2015
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 1: type of fishing end. If bait fishermen want to do

2016
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: man Hayden, that's great. I mean, we've so wiped out

2017
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: herrying fisheries. A lot of lobstermen in Maine and other

2018
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 1: places are looking for other bait. Man Hayden is a

2019
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 1: logic one for that. All four using that. That's awesome

2020
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 1: going up to Maine for lobster basing. So you're saying

2021
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: like that, like like small scale stuff like that, but

2022
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 1: you're saying like the industrial harvest, yeah exactly, Yeah, I

2023
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 1: mean the big reduction fisheries, which where you grind them

2024
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: up and you know, tourna into oil and pellets. That's

2025
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't make any sense now. And the

2026
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: crazy thing on this too is that you know, Omega

2027
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: decided during this process to add political weight to its

2028
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: cause to get it self certified on the Marine Stewardship

2029
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 1: Council as sustainable, which doesn't make any sense. For a

2030
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 1: host of reasons. We fought that. You know, they got

2031
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: it on the Atlantic, and they got it in the Gulf,

2032
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: and there's not even a catch limit in place in

2033
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 1: the Gulf. I mean, it's totally the wild West down there.

2034
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 1: And you know, so it's just crazy. So anyway, but

2035
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: what it has done is galvanized the fish community, the

2036
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 1: fit recreational fish community behind this cause. We won on

2037
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: the compliance fight in the Atlantic and the chest Peake Bay.

2038
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna win. I think on ecological management,

2039
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: changing the framework, and then we need to go down

2040
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: to the Gulf and put hard cash limits in place

2041
01:49:49,720 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: down there. Okay, Phil Pebble mind man minds two thumbs down.

2042
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 1: So we thought this thing was, you know, pretty much dead,

2043
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 1: and you know we're putting nails in the coffin a

2044
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: few years ago. It's been hard to track, it's been

2045
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 1: hard to follow. So issue fatigue, well there's some of

2046
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: that too, but let's a things. This is one thing

2047
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: where it is a sea change from the last three years.

2048
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: So the administration, I think, to their credit, basically put

2049
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: up some very hard sideboards on any mind that could

2050
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: be developed in an area, which can you can you

2051
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 1: give people not just real quick bring people up speed,

2052
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: Like when when people say pedal mind, what are they

2053
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: talking about? They're talking about? One would be one of

2054
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: the world's largest open pit mines at the headwaters in

2055
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: a golden copper mind headwaters of the two most productive

2056
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 1: sak I salmon rivers in North America, the Queejack and

2057
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: the new she Gack in the world in the world.

2058
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: So you know, they're basically it's the backbone of a

2059
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 1: half billion dollar a year commercial fishery which it creates

2060
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 1: a surface lake of highly it creates it would create

2061
01:50:57,080 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: a surface lake of highly contaminated water. They would have

2062
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: to be maintained in perpetuity, an active fault zone behind behind,

2063
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 1: you know, an empowerment structure that this water would never

2064
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 1: be cleaned and you would need to keep it in

2065
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 1: place because should it. And not only that, because of

2066
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: what would eventually be the size of the c M.

2067
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 1: And you're gonna have to put in not only roads

2068
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:26,560
Speaker 1: and harbors, but you know, utility basically power plant, and

2069
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,839
Speaker 1: you're going to open up an entire area to other impacts.

2070
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 1: So and this is like from moose hunters, salmon fisherman,

2071
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: bear hunters. Everybody hates this, a couple of people except

2072
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 1: for some Canadian speculators who want to know basically, this

2073
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: Northern Dynasty which is a company that's pushing this. Yeah,

2074
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 1: once essentially sort of you know, to make a bunch

2075
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: of money on this thing, sell it off to somebody else,

2076
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 1: and get out of the business. So anyways, it was

2077
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:56,720
Speaker 1: on life support. Then Presidents the story hasn't and I

2078
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: have no idea if this is true. President Stuffs on

2079
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: his way back from North Korea, stops to refuel on Anchorage,

2080
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Alaskan governor who likes the mind, likes any story of

2081
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: development project, spends time with him on Air Force one.

2082
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: Trump goes back to d C, tells EPA to make

2083
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: this thing happen, and the core of engineers and all

2084
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the core of engineers, which takes six

2085
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,800
Speaker 1: years for a restoration project to do the permitting in

2086
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: a place like Florida or Louisiana is you know, has

2087
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: never moved faster on any project ever. And we're gonna

2088
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 1: basically moving creaning toward approving the permit on this, you know.

2089
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: And you're right about now. Now they've kicked it back

2090
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: a few months because everybody, including the State of Alaska,

2091
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 1: including Lisa Makowski, including Department of the Interior, have said, WHOA,

2092
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 1: your analysis is woefully inadequate. You're not looking all these

2093
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: potential impacts. So but we still think the core of

2094
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: engineer is going to issue a permit, which means litigation

2095
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,640
Speaker 1: is going to begin. But what it also means is that,

2096
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, the mining company, Northern Dynasty may get an

2097
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,760
Speaker 1: infusion of cash because the stock price is bound to

2098
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 1: go up at that point, and it makes this thing

2099
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 1: far more viable than it's been any time in the

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01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: past fifteen years. Yeah, I don't want to say about

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01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 1: this crazy bet I have about pebble mind, I'm not

2102
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about it, okay, with my sister in law.

2103
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 1: It's a brutal thing. Like you're talking about a landscape

2104
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 1: where you couldn't maintain a kiddie pool out there from

2105
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: overflowing or rupturing for any amount of time. I mean,

2106
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,799
Speaker 1: the groundwater is on the surface and then the surface

2107
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 1: water comes down and freaking day louse buckets constantly. It's

2108
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 1: an active fault zone. I mean, you have volcano was

2109
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 1: erupting within, you have seventy five miles so but I mean,

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01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: and listen, there are a lot of places in Alaska

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01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: to make total sense for mining. There are a lot

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01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 1: of really good minds in Alaska. This is not about

2113
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 1: being anti mining. This is about about the worst place

2114
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: you could ever pick to put a mind, is the

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01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: top of Bristol Bay. Well, I'm curious to see. Um.

2116
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly, and I wouldn't say about

2117
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I'm curious to see a

2118
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: role that civil disobedience would come into play were they

2119
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:13,520
Speaker 1: to actually go in and break ground to start extracting resources.

2120
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 1: It's become such a line in the sand issue for

2121
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 1: such a broad array of individuals from the native community,

2122
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: Native Alaskans, sportsman, commercial environmentalists, commercial fishermen. I wonder if

2123
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: it would be that there would be UM. I just

2124
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: feel like if it's not like that, this would be

2125
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that inspire civil disobedience. It's so

2126
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 1: hard though, because it's like, look at where it is,

2127
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, like the winner population of King sam and

2128
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Alaska is like very very few. The summer population in

2129
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: anything that would probably be hard to make a human

2130
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: chain out of that too. No, no, but it's like

2131
01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 1: if if if we can't pretend, I think people look

2132
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,320
Speaker 1: at as a lion saying issue, because if you can't

2133
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 1: protect Bristol Bay, if it's not worth protecting Bristol Bay,

2134
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 1: than people will be like, so that means nothing is

2135
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough. Yeah, that mean that would mean

2136
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 1: to a lot of people like we're okay, We're just

2137
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: we're done because nothing is sacred. Yea. Anyway, this is

2138
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna just you know, I don't think they're gonna be

2139
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: breaking ground anytime soon. This is gonna be extensively litigated

2140
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: if the permit is issued. So you know, and yeah,

2141
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: part of us, you know, running out of the clock

2142
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 1: and hope you got a more friendly administration and that

2143
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 1: we'll you know, actually do something good for Bristol Bay

2144
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 1: or the current administration change tack, which is entirely possible. Yeah. Yeah,

2145
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 1: he listened to the public opinion on a lot of issues.

2146
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 1: I just gotta hit him on the Twitter feedlook, thumbs in,

2147
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,040
Speaker 1: thumbs out down. You know, I think we're gonna get

2148
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 1: some stuff done. Um yeah, I mean it's gonna play

2149
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: feel you got you got the noise in there, um

2150
01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: you know the noise. Yeah. Uh. Obviously you have two

2151
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:06,880
Speaker 1: things that are gonna make progress on anything difficult, impeachment

2152
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: and the election progress on anything anything. Do you wish

2153
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: the impeachment hadn't happened just because it makes everything so

2154
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 1: hard to do? There's not something you're comfortable getting into it.

2155
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into that one. So I

2156
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 1: just think that it is what it is now, the

2157
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: way it happened, I gotta deal with it, and we

2158
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: gotta deal with that another way. The rules are set up,

2159
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna basically the impeachment sounds like they're gonna convene

2160
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 1: at one o'clock every day, so which means we have

2161
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 1: some period in the morning to get a little bit

2162
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 1: of business done. But basically it's, uh, you know, it's

2163
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: a different distraction. So I know that I'll just tell

2164
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: you what this isn't what talking to me talking what's

2165
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: been frustrating about this thing is going through is something

2166
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: that you know it won't happen. It's not gonna happen,

2167
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 1: that's all. Ye. It feels to me like like let's

2168
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 1: say I was gonna um, I'm like, I'm gonnag hole

2169
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 1: and Cow's like, uh, no, matter how how much you dig,

2170
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: I will fill that hole back in. And I can

2171
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: get I can guarantee you that I will fill the

2172
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 1: hole back in. But I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna do

2173
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 1: it anyway, and then spend a bunch of money doing it.

2174
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,160
Speaker 1: We'll go on. So again, you could be right, but

2175
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 1: it is what it is, and we're gonna work around it.

2176
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 1: I am right. In election year, you know, there you

2177
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: really have until say they May to get stuff done,

2178
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 1: and then everything gets too tied up with politics, and

2179
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 1: then you have another window after the election until you

2180
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 1: know the new colors, and some radical stuff can happen

2181
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: during that wind. So the first of all, you're trying

2182
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: to clear the deck of a lot of easy stuff

2183
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 1: in the right now in the next month or two,

2184
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, I'm sorry, real quick,

2185
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 1: how much time Okay, the impeachments going on now? You

2186
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: know the Senate trial is going on now and not

2187
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 1: yet but it will start some time soon. So how

2188
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 1: much so forget that part of it. How much time

2189
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: of activity do we have before the election cycle just

2190
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 1: throws everything into chaos and May end of May and

2191
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: then everybody's just thinking about that. Yeah, I mean here

2192
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: you made some few things odds and ends get done,

2193
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:21,400
Speaker 1: but basically it's just everybody's out campaigning. It's too political,

2194
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:24,360
Speaker 1: so everything gets put on hold until after the election,

2195
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 1: in which case you when you come back at a

2196
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 1: buttload of stuff gets done between you know that first

2197
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 1: week in November and the new Congress gets whether it's

2198
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: an outgoing whether it's an outgoing administration or an empowered administration,

2199
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to worry about re election. Yeah, man,

2200
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: you have the dynamic of what happens with the Senate,

2201
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: what happens with the House, what happens to the president.

2202
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 1: But at a minimum, you know, it's a place so

2203
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 1: you can get a bunch of stuff done. And because

2204
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 1: you have retiring members and there are a lot of

2205
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 1: them on you know, on both sides. Yeah, who are

2206
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 1: going to say, you know that? All right, there's a

2207
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 1: chance so I don't actually have to be political. I

2208
01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 1: can do us right for a change because I'm not

2209
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 1: run from election and you know, get stuff done there.

2210
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think there are some opportunities. I mean,

2211
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 1: I think there is a you know, sort of broad

2212
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 1: wildlife billy know that we've been you know, putting through

2213
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 1: that has you know, really a bunch of non controversial stuff.

2214
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 1: Knock a reauthorization North American Wetlands Conservation Act, which funds

2215
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 1: wetland restoration and protection around the country. It's about funded

2216
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 1: about fifty million dollars. That gets reauthorized they're creating a

2217
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: CWD task force. Um, there is the National Fish and

2218
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 1: Wildlife Foundation reauthorization, the authorization of a National Fish Habitat Bill,

2219
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 1: which is essentially the fish equivalent of the North American

2220
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Wetlands Conservation Act. All this stuff is non controversial and

2221
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 1: has been passed by committees or by houses or one

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01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 1: body or the other. This is all going to get

2223
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 1: bundled and doing right now. We expect to actually to

2224
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: pass the Senate last night, it didn't, probably passed today,

2225
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 1: then go over to the House. So this becomes you know,

2226
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of good stuff which is not controversial and

2227
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: everybody agree on. We can get that done quick. So,

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01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's good. Besides, I mentioned the

2229
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: fact that Murkowski wants to do an energy bill as

2230
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: soon as basically impeachment wraps up before things get too political.

2231
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 1: That may be another opportunity for a bunch of public

2232
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:12,880
Speaker 1: lands provisions. Um. You know, so I think there will

2233
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: be some things like that to get done, but a

2234
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of the focus is going to be on the

2235
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 1: election and what happens after the election. And honestly, what

2236
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 1: you know TRCP will do is, yeah, we will start

2237
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: developing we'll do it for scenario planning. You know, if

2238
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: Trump loses, if Trump wins, if the Senate flips, Senate

2239
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 1: doesn't flip, all these different scenarios, and that's sort of

2240
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, how are you going to keep conservation at

2241
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: the front of and then what do we need to

2242
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:36,680
Speaker 1: do and what are the priorities and how do we

2243
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: present them? I mean, climate is going to be a

2244
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 1: big issue because you know, even you know, the denier

2245
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,280
Speaker 1: is recognizing that they can't, you know, not deal with

2246
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: this for very much long. Yeah, I would imagine, I

2247
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:51,480
Speaker 1: mean everyone does. I mean if if the administration I

2248
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 1: mean never mind, like what will happen in the House

2249
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 1: and Senate if the administration is switches, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a ton of I'm guessing a ton of Climate Act.

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02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: I think even if it doesn't switch to is gonna

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02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 1: be a bunch. If you look at the polling, Yeah,

2253
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:04,839
Speaker 1: you look at Republicans under the age of thirty, climate

2254
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: is number one or one of the top issues. So

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02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 1: you know the party is has to deal with that

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02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:13,240
Speaker 1: younger folks who recognize this as an issue and need

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02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 1: to deal with in some fashion. So I think you're

2258
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 1: now you're not going to see a green new deal maybe,

2259
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:22,080
Speaker 1: but you're going to see particularly on them come in again.

2260
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 1: What you're going to see though, I think there's things

2261
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: that folks again generally agree on. Yeah, you gotta reduce

2262
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,040
Speaker 1: some missions, but you also have to do an investment

2263
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 1: on land sequestration, adaptation, resilience, and those are things that

2264
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,200
Speaker 1: our community loves, that are great for fishing, wildlife, and

2265
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 1: that I think Democrats and Republicans can agree on. So

2266
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 1: you could see some smart climate package with that sort

2267
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 1: of focus moving forward. So I think there are gonna

2268
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,600
Speaker 1: be some opportunities moving forward. A lot of it is

2269
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:48,680
Speaker 1: what we do this year is positioning ourselves for one

2270
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 1: and beyond. You know what's interesting is uh in uh

2271
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 1: coming up pretty soon. Through my kids schools, there's this

2272
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 1: night where they can go do It's like this technology night.

2273
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 1: My wife understands better than I do, but anyways, she

2274
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 1: was preventing. She was presenting that with them, the menu

2275
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: of things, because you go down and you pick like

2276
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 1: four seminars. Your kids pick four seminars they want to

2277
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 1: go to in our um seven year old, nine year

2278
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: old were picking what seminars they wanted to go to

2279
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 1: this night and you roll through them, and that the

2280
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 1: seminars are like the life a year in the life

2281
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:30,440
Speaker 1: of a grizzly sturgeon, migrations, um thing about developing computer apps.

2282
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:32,680
Speaker 1: It's like some while half wildlife stuff at half nine

2283
02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 1: wild life stuff. And one of the things was this

2284
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:40,040
Speaker 1: sort of like climate change primer. Um, my daughter very

2285
02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: readily pick that one along with the other ones you

2286
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:48,600
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and um, my boy, without much uh,

2287
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:52,560
Speaker 1: without too much persuasion, added the climate one in with

2288
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 1: one about Native American games, and uh sturgeon. I really

2289
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 1: wanted him to go into waterfowl migration, but he didn't

2290
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 1: do that one. You can only win so much. But

2291
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 1: it's uh, it was a thing that they're aware of.

2292
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:09,960
Speaker 1: This morning we woke up the check muskrat traps and

2293
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 1: dark and it was warm out. And my son goes this,

2294
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:17,840
Speaker 1: because all the garbage, you're confusing two issues. But let's

2295
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,560
Speaker 1: talk about that quick question. Are the kids referring to

2296
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 1: these as seminars. It's gotta be like, I haven't heard

2297
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,960
Speaker 1: them use the word seminar. It was more presented them

2298
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: to like, you're going to this, I assigned you, we

2299
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 1: signed you up for this thing. You need to pick

2300
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 1: which one sound good, And so we read over dinner.

2301
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:38,520
Speaker 1: My why, I don't know. There's a dozen things that

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02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:40,840
Speaker 1: choose from whatever. She read through all the descriptions and

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02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,640
Speaker 1: then put their initials by the ones, and they had

2304
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:46,240
Speaker 1: too many, so they had to narrow it down Sturgion migrat.

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02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 1: I think Sturgeon migrations was top. I told him, you

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02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,800
Speaker 1: gotta go down and then come tell me what you learned. Yeah,

2307
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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I'm just gonna be

2308
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:56,640
Speaker 1: real confused if I show up at the house and

2309
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: your kids are like so cal when it saw a

2310
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:04,200
Speaker 1: seminar the other day. I don't know they'll frame it that.

2311
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 1: I'll be curiously how they tell you about they will

2312
02:04:07,200 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: tell you about it. I don't know what what they'll use.

2313
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll use seminar. They're probably like a thing.

2314
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:15,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we were at a thing, went to a show. Uh,

2315
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny day. We're out, you know, in

2316
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:21,280
Speaker 1: dark checking muskrat traps dark and we're into spot where

2317
02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: there's a you know that flex pipe it's like eight

2318
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 1: inch flex pipe plastic and it's coming out of that

2319
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,600
Speaker 1: there's a chunk where it's coming out of the ground

2320
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: and snakes across the ground and it goes in onto

2321
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 1: the ice on a pond someone's doing like some kind

2322
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:40,880
Speaker 1: of drainage project. And we're hanging around there near there

2323
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 1: in the dark. And then later, my four year old

2324
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: it's talking about what's up with the big animal with

2325
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:51,440
Speaker 1: the big tail? And then you can mean a muskrats

2326
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:54,720
Speaker 1: a big long tail, And I'm like, the muskrat, no, huh,

2327
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 1: you know the one that can't move? Can can we

2328
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:02,560
Speaker 1: bring that home? And so I get confused. We're about

2329
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,240
Speaker 1: a hundred yards away, and I give him a flash

2330
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 1: that I'm like, I have no idea, Tom, let's go

2331
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 1: back and take a look. And we go back and

2332
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,880
Speaker 1: he shines the light at that black flex pipe, twelve

2333
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:14,320
Speaker 1: ft of black flex pipe running between the dirt and

2334
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,520
Speaker 1: the ice, and he's like, that thing, that's what what's uh?

2335
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:23,880
Speaker 1: You know what animal has that tail? Big one? That

2336
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 1: would be I would not be standing here were that

2337
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 1: in animals. That's chunk flex pipe. He thought it had

2338
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 1: got frozen in so hard that it was just stuck. Yeah,

2339
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: what's your state of waterfowl right now? Getting real interesting

2340
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 1: waterfowl again, And it seems like there's the data between

2341
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:53,640
Speaker 1: migratory waterfowl against like our songbird data right now is

2342
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:59,440
Speaker 1: oddly in opposition, so where it's like, well, we've lost

2343
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 1: billions of songbirds in the United States, but waterfowl it

2344
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,720
Speaker 1: seems to really be kicking ass with the exception like

2345
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: pintails seemed to be taking a hurt. Um Geese in

2346
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:15,760
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Flyer right now are actually down. There's one

2347
02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:20,760
Speaker 1: one bird limit in chest Big Bay of Maryland. Interesting.

2348
02:06:21,080 --> 02:06:22,720
Speaker 1: So no, I think that you know the answer is

2349
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:24,280
Speaker 1: that you know, we pay a lot more attention to

2350
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 1: war Fell because we have dedicated we have hunters, we

2351
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,840
Speaker 1: have dedicated funding for it. It's a priority, whereas you

2352
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,400
Speaker 1: know songbirds, you know it's not. And which is really

2353
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:35,640
Speaker 1: there's another bill in Congress called the Restore American's Wildlife

2354
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 1: Act that would put some dedicated funding toward these non

2355
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 1: game species which the states have responsibility for managing but

2356
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:45,160
Speaker 1: really have no dedicated resources to manage. So no, I

2357
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:47,920
Speaker 1: agree with you, is that I think the situation probably

2358
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,440
Speaker 1: on a bunch of the songs, even worse than we

2359
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:55,040
Speaker 1: think because our data is pretty poor. Real quick is

2360
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:59,000
Speaker 1: it quick? Is it possible to explain like why from

2361
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:03,960
Speaker 1: a conservation stand point, what's up with ethanol? So like,

2362
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:06,200
Speaker 1: I get it, but I get it a little bit.

2363
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:08,960
Speaker 1: But but tell me what why is ethanol? Part of

2364
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:12,320
Speaker 1: why does it matter? From from what we're looking at, So,

2365
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:14,960
Speaker 1: ethanol has a long and checkered, uh you know, sort

2366
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:17,800
Speaker 1: of environmental history. It was regally created, you know, both

2367
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 1: to supplement markets for farmers, but also when during the

2368
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:26,480
Speaker 1: oil crisis, as you know, a you domestically produced transportation fuel. Yeah,

2369
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 1: you better explained, like from the high, high level what

2370
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, so this is basically you take

2371
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 1: corn and you can do with other cellulostic you know, plants,

2372
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 1: and you convert it into a fuel. And it's the

2373
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:38,960
Speaker 1: same way you make alcohol. In factor, with ethanol, you've

2374
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 1: got to put a denaturent in let's keep people from

2375
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:44,000
Speaker 1: drinking it. So it's you know the same as grain alcohol,

2376
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, and it runs pretty well in cars and

2377
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 1: you have been used for years, going back to Henry

2378
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 1: Ford as a transportation fuel. You can have race car

2379
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 1: drivers use it or methanol in some of their cars today.

2380
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 1: But the issue became and when you know, Congress basically

2381
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 1: created an ethanol man and under the renewable fuel standard

2382
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 1: which expires and I think two essentially ten percent of

2383
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,200
Speaker 1: the nation's gasolting fleet has to be ethanol. Now, the

2384
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,879
Speaker 1: goal had been originally that that transition from corn ethanol

2385
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 1: to cellulosic ethanol over time, switch grass cud zoo and

2386
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 1: who knows what the hell you make it out of,

2387
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:24,040
Speaker 1: but something other than sure do it for it. I mean,

2388
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:25,880
Speaker 1: it all depends on the starch content I guess of

2389
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:30,000
Speaker 1: the where the plant is. But the problem is that

2390
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:33,120
Speaker 1: that's that transition has never happened and stayed with corn ethanol.

2391
02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 1: And when you had that time of like go go

2392
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 1: corn prices, you know, we lost you know, six million

2393
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:42,600
Speaker 1: acres of pasture and grassland to cut road crops. It

2394
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 1: was that ethanol mandate. It was largely driving there. So

2395
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, you know, pheasant hunters, duck

2396
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 1: hunters can't stand ethanol because they see it the mandate,

2397
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:58,560
Speaker 1: as creating basically an artificial incentive to convert habitat for corn.

2398
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,360
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of the you know, urban

2399
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 1: you know folks that don't like high food prices see

2400
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:06,800
Speaker 1: it as you know, an abomination too, because it's food

2401
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:10,640
Speaker 1: that's now going to a fuel in basically subsidized way.

2402
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 1: So now I felt a lot more strongly about it.

2403
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, when you know prices were high and we're

2404
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,840
Speaker 1: seeing all this conversion, it's it's hard to you know.

2405
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 1: You know again, right now, nothing's gonna happen before the

2406
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,760
Speaker 1: renewable Fuel Standard comes back up for Congress and Congress

2407
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:27,000
Speaker 1: decides what to do with it. But when you go

2408
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:30,160
Speaker 1: back to the dismal state of the farm economy right now,

2409
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just think that you know, even groups

2410
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:36,320
Speaker 1: that you don't like the ethenal mandate are backing off

2411
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 1: a little bit right now because it's just hold, yeah,

2412
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:40,200
Speaker 1: because you just don't want to do anything else to

2413
02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 1: make you know, life even worse. In agg country. When

2414
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,680
Speaker 1: you see a gas station with giant signs talking about

2415
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: ethanol free, are they performance, Yeah, that's that's an issue.

2416
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 1: That's that's not them being pro or pro or against

2417
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. So the a lot of the old equipment,

2418
02:09:56,920 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 1: especially things like chainsaw snowmobiles, yeah, couldn't handle ethanol. So

2419
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 1: you had when it was first moved into the gas

2420
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:06,680
Speaker 1: stream at ten percent blends, there were a lot of

2421
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 1: problems with some of those, you know, small engines particular.

2422
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 1: Now all those there's talking about how you could get

2423
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 1: good boat gas there now, so all basically you know

2424
02:10:15,720 --> 02:10:18,720
Speaker 1: today you know all you know, essentially modern engines can

2425
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:22,200
Speaker 1: deal with timbercent ethanol. The problem is that the ethanol industry,

2426
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:25,400
Speaker 1: which is pretty greedy, has been trying to get the

2427
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, the blender percentage kicked up to and e

2428
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:31,400
Speaker 1: p A has approved that now at fifteen percent ethanol.

2429
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,200
Speaker 1: You could have a very modern outboard engine on your

2430
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 1: twin two fifties, on your big boat going out off shore.

2431
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: It'll screw that up to ethanol. Now in theory, you know,

2432
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,160
Speaker 1: it ought to be labeled, and especially marinas won't be

2433
02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:48,360
Speaker 1: selling it, but a lot of guys will fill up

2434
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 1: the gas can and take it out to their boat

2435
02:10:50,600 --> 02:10:53,280
Speaker 1: and pour it in, and it does really bad things

2436
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:56,400
Speaker 1: to engines. And again it's just another sort of artificial

2437
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:59,879
Speaker 1: subsidy that we really shouldn't be doing. National Marine manufact

2438
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:05,600
Speaker 1: Is Association American Sport Fishing Association have lobbied vigorously increasing

2439
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 1: that ethanol percentage in ghastly because of what it does

2440
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 1: to marine engines. No, kid, yeah, that's interesting, thank you.

2441
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:16,600
Speaker 1: Answering some of my own questions, but it's been improved. Anyway,

2442
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:20,920
Speaker 1: avoid E fifteen on anything in your outboard engines. They're

2443
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:24,160
Speaker 1: hat our our small engine expert with Bosburgh and I've

2444
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:26,440
Speaker 1: just tapped the extend of my knowledge HU small engines.

2445
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,280
Speaker 1: All right, man, Any final things, any concluders, any final

2446
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,480
Speaker 1: things we didn't get to know. I mean you kind

2447
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,000
Speaker 1: of you were influential and making our list. Yah know,

2448
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:37,120
Speaker 1: I think I first of all, I appreciate you guys,

2449
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, actually paying attention to stuff and caring about

2450
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 1: it because you know, again, most people rather talk about

2451
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, dear stand placement or you know, hunting Coustier

2452
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:48,840
Speaker 1: in Mexico or whatever it is. But yeah, this is Yeah,

2453
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,680
Speaker 1: this is the backbone of you know, what we have

2454
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:52,400
Speaker 1: in this country in terms of hunting and fishing. And

2455
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:55,440
Speaker 1: if we don't pay attention to this, we're gonna lose it. Yeah. Well,

2456
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:57,160
Speaker 1: thank you for paying attention to it. Well, thank you

2457
02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 1: guys for paying and thank you for coming on. Um,

2458
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:03,240
Speaker 1: we should just schedule it regularly, but it can't be

2459
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:06,600
Speaker 1: like once a year. Maybe do a midyear check in

2460
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 1: six months check up. You know what. Every time my

2461
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:11,160
Speaker 1: kids go to the Dannis, I'm gonna have you on

2462
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 1: all my six months stuff will just have like the

2463
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:18,840
Speaker 1: like Dennis, I'll be associated with family paying. That's good, okay,

2464
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:21,920
Speaker 1: be good. Like election cycle to be like all right,

2465
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:26,560
Speaker 1: here's our conservation minded candidates. Yeah, you know what, maybe

2466
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:29,480
Speaker 1: you'll come on you want to talk about getting people pissed,

2467
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:34,320
Speaker 1: is if you come on right before you come on

2468
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:36,840
Speaker 1: right before election time. I think I'm gonna appointed that

2469
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:42,800
Speaker 1: one after the election time. Come on, Hey, we're five

2470
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:47,000
Speaker 1: one C three, We don't that's true, Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

2471
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:50,240
Speaker 1: As as t RCPs a nonprofit organization, you guys don't

2472
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 1: you guys don't play. We don't have a C four,

2473
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:53,960
Speaker 1: we don't have a pack, so we just don't get engaged.

2474
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 1: And you guys work. You guys work work. What I

2475
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 1: like about t RCPs you're you're respectful of of bipartisan

2476
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:08,160
Speaker 1: process and you strive to be just like as effective

2477
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:12,280
Speaker 1: as as humanly possible. Well, I think that's a niche

2478
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 1: our community has always had, and I think that's you know,

2479
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 1: when Jim Range created the organization back in two thousand two,

2480
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 1: that's was his idea and I think it stands through

2481
02:13:20,080 --> 02:13:22,360
Speaker 1: today that you know, these are issues that auto unite

2482
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:27,400
Speaker 1: and not divide, and they shouldn't be political. Yeah, but

2483
02:13:27,560 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 1: you hate fishing and nothing. Yeah, well then they're political.

2484
02:13:33,640 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 1: All right. Thanks again. Oh, Cal, do you have a concluder? Oh?

2485
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,880
Speaker 1: I just I don't sure say on it. I can't. Oh,

2486
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:41,680
Speaker 1: I got this for being in a ski race and

2487
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 1: Sun Valley. You're commemorating the fact that Sun Valley was

2488
02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:48,880
Speaker 1: what formed a six. I just feel like this is

2489
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 1: a comfortable sweatshirt. I feel it's probably formed the millions

2490
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:56,680
Speaker 1: of years ago. Cal. Uh Yeah, yeah, a highly volcanic area.

2491
02:13:56,720 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty young. It was just flat till nineteen thirty

2492
02:14:00,440 --> 02:14:03,240
Speaker 1: six and then it became a valley. That's fun, says

2493
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:08,160
Speaker 1: sun Value. Um. Oh, I think on the on the

2494
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 1: your selection of political candidates, I just like to tell people,

2495
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:16,280
Speaker 1: it's like you're gonna always gonna have to fight for something. Right.

2496
02:14:16,400 --> 02:14:20,800
Speaker 1: So you have somebody who you feel is going to

2497
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 1: give you an easy out on a topic, You're still

2498
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to If you select that person to vote

2499
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:30,600
Speaker 1: for and they make it in, you're still gonna have

2500
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:32,800
Speaker 1: to push them on the other things that you believe

2501
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,040
Speaker 1: in it. So this is just the way it works.

2502
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 1: One plus, part of our job is to educate. I mean,

2503
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:39,840
Speaker 1: you have less and less members of Congress coming from

2504
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:43,040
Speaker 1: rural America. I mean there are some much more suburban

2505
02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:46,000
Speaker 1: urban you know focus now and so if you know

2506
02:14:46,120 --> 02:14:47,520
Speaker 1: some members says to you, we're just gonna have to

2507
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 1: cook or and meet more for CWD. That's not because

2508
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:52,160
Speaker 1: they're a bad person, just because they don't understand, and

2509
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:53,880
Speaker 1: that's up to us to educate them. But I think

2510
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:56,960
Speaker 1: that people when it comes to selecting UH candidates that

2511
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:58,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna vote for, I think a lot of people

2512
02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 1: look like I picked my purse and and then I

2513
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:06,160
Speaker 1: look to them to see what I think about anything, right,

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Speaker 1: So like I just go with what they say. Another

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Speaker 1: way of looking, as you pick your person, you're you're

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Speaker 1: balancing out. You're making a selection one between two things.

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02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:17,760
Speaker 1: You pick them, and then I'm gonna pick them, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna move them in my direction on all

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Speaker 1: the things I don't agree with them on or work

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Speaker 1: my hardest. And people get uncomfortable with that because they

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Speaker 1: think that when you that your selection of a candidate

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Speaker 1: is basically you're saying that's me, rather than saying part

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Speaker 1: of that's me. But I really need them to move

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Speaker 1: my direction on a bunch of other stuff, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do everything I can in my power to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the whole that things move in my direction.

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Speaker 1: I'm choosing you as the person that I want to

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Speaker 1: then be heard from and and get you to see

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Speaker 1: my side. Uh. Good, feels good. What's your shirt about? Phil?

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Speaker 1: You got a wine shirt on? And this is my friends.

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Speaker 1: My friend runs a winery in Kalispell, Tailing Loop Wines.

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Speaker 1: Check it out next time you grow the grapes up there.

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Speaker 1: He buys them from somewhere else. She brings them in

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Speaker 1: from different parts of Washington and and puts them in

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Speaker 1: barrels in Kalispell. And you like that wine. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like a fly fishing term, right, Tailing Loop. It's a

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Speaker 1: fly fishing themed winery. Yeah, m hm. And you love

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Speaker 1: the wine. I like wine fish. I like her wine. No,

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Speaker 1: she's got some great art on the labels. Though you start,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna start fishing too, now that you're gonna start hunting.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I went fly fishing once with Cal

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Speaker 1: and it didn't go well. I had a great time,

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Speaker 1: And then it sounds like it went very well. Your

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Speaker 1: friends got a very inefficient winery because it's a fly

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Speaker 1: fishing theme. P oh, I I own like about eleven

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Speaker 1: thousand square feet. I don't think about it. Makers come

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02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,280
Speaker 1: up trap your place from muskrat. Sorry you don't have

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Speaker 1: like a pond or anything. That's all getting messed up

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Speaker 1: by muskrat's. Okay, no, no um, all right thanks again

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Speaker 1: with you, we'll we'll, we'll go out. This is like

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Speaker 1: the doctor where you I want on your way out,

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02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:17,280
Speaker 1: I want you to schedule your next visit. Okay with

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Speaker 1: Osburgh TRCP. Thanks for listening.