1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in our number three Thursday edition, Clay Travis 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: us as we roll through the program. Trey Goudi from 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Fox new Who's gonna join us at the bottom of 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: the hour. He's got a new book out scheduled for 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: several weeks to come on and talk about us before 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: his comments went viral, and we'll play them for you, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: so for him, let him react to them. If you 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: don't know, then you will find out at the bottom 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: of the hour. Thanks to our caller Lisa, who we 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: just finished the hour with. I think that was It's 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: tough to listen to hear I think for a lot 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: of parents and grandparents out there, but I believe that 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: so much of this story, they have tried to prey 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: on emotion over logic, and they make you feel like 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: you are the one who is the problem. And I 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: do think if you go back and you listen to 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: that call, and I appreciate her calling in and sharing 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: hers experience. So much of being a parent is oftentimes 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: having to tell your kid something that they don't have 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: enough experience about. And everyone out there who's a parent 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: knows it and they may not one hundred percent listen 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: to you. But your job is to get them as 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: healthy as you can to eighteen and nineteen years old 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: when they become adults of their own, and you try 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: to limit decisions that can be incredibly debilitating that your 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: child will make, and that can be really in the 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, not hugely significant necessarily, Hey, maybe 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: don't drive the car really fast. Hey, maybe you learn 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: how to stop at a stop sign. Hey, maybe do 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: your homework and get ready to take the SAT or 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: the act. Things that can get a college application done, 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: things that you have to kind of ride your kids on. 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: And we fight so hard to try to keep them 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: on the right path to success. And then they tell 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you emotional blackmail, and you could hear it in her voice, 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: and you could feel the challenge that she was grappling with. 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: And I think they have put sadly, so many parents 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: and grandparents in positions like we just heard Lisa in. 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: So we appreciate her calling in. With that in mind. 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: There are other things going on in the world right 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: now than just what happened yesterday in Minneapolis. We have 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: continued to talk about it. We've talked about it a 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: great deal, But I did want to update you with 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: a couple of other things that I think are very significant. 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: First of all, good news on the economy, and this 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: slid under the radar because there's so much attention right 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: now on Minnesota, in Minneapolis and everything surrounding that. But 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Rick Santelli on CNBC this morning, it turns out second 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: quarter GDP growth was actually even better than the forecast showed, 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: and inflation was actually even lower. 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: That is, we grew. 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: Faster and things cost less than even we expected. Here 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: is cut twenty four. This is what it sounded like 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: on CNBC with Rick Santelli this morning. 56 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: Our second walk around the block on GDP will underscore 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: the tuggawar and the economy between quarters that are weak 58 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: and quarters that are strong. Import, exports, tariffs, We have 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: a lot of push and pull based on some of 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: the issues of the day. We are expecting this number 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: to improve slightly and the revisions our second look at 62 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: second quarter GDP are now hitting the wires. Three percent 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: was our last look. It now jumps up to three 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: point three percent, but from a comp basis, that would 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: still be the best quarter since September of twenty three. 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Third quarter of twenty three. 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: Okay, good numbers there. Inflation also lower than expectation, back 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: near the FEDS target rate of two percent, so I 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: want to continue to update you on that in the 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: context new record highs today at the S and P 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: five hundred, new record highs at the Dow. 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: When it comes to the dal Jones. 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Well a little bit below the record No, yeah, I'm 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: looking at right now in real time, buck math, always 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: a little bit below where the record high is. S 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: and P five hundred is setting a record high. That's 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: very good for your four oh one k everything out there. 78 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: Stocks have never been higher basically than they are right 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: now in Trump economy two point zero. Also, I wanted 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: to play this for you guys because one of the 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: big stories of the last two or three weeks has 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: been Trump taking over the National Guard in DC taking 83 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: over the Metro Police. And I got to give credit 84 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: to DC Mayor Muriel Bowser before I play this, Buck, 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: you said on the show a couple of weeks ago, Hey, 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: I kind of think Muriel Bowser agrees with a lot 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: of what Trump is doing, based on some of the 88 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: conversations you had had behind the scenes. 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 2: I kind of know someone who knows the mayor really 90 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: well and new for a fact. So I wish I 91 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: could I wish I could say that I just read 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: the tea leaves on this one. But this was spybuck, 93 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. This was me running running 94 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: assets behind the enemy launter in counter intel. You had 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: knowledge that the mayor actually agrees with a lot of 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: the Trump policies on well, never say so like that, 97 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: but yeah, the mayor, Bowser would like DC crime to 98 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: be lower, and she's very She wants more business investment, 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: and she wants safer streets, which, by the way, good 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: for her. The fact that she can she say that 101 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: out loud though in that way, is telling you a 102 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: lot about the politics of DC. 103 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: All Right, So we've got Muriel Bowser here. She is 104 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: saying eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings, which were one 105 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: of the crimes that had skyrocketed in Washington, d C. 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: And giving praise to all of the assistants now that 107 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: exists in Washington, d C. 108 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: Cut nineteen, We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that 109 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: enhance what MPD has been able to do in this 110 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: city for carjacking. The difference between this period, This twenty 111 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 4: day period of this federal surge and last year represents 112 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 4: a eighty seven percent reduction in carjackings in Washington DC. 113 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: We know that when carjackings go down, when the use 114 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: of gun goes down, when homicidal robbery go down, neighborhoods 115 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: feel safer and are safer. So this surge has been 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: important to us for that reason. 117 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: You know, this surrives me. I feel like Trump should 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: have a Colonel Nathan R. Jessep moment where he's just like, 119 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: I would rather you just say thank you or man 120 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: a post. When it comes to the Democrats who have 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: opposed Trump on this crime thing, they should just say 122 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean, especially the ones who live in DC, they 123 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: should just say thank you because he's right and it's 124 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: helping and it's a good thing. 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: This is a stat that I thought was staggering. They 126 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: pulled the AP, so this is not right wing poll you. 127 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: The AP Associated Press did a poll. They said, do 128 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: you think that crime is out of control? Basically a 129 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: major issue in big cities in America. Eighty one percent 130 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: of people said it was eighty one percent buck eighteen 131 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: percent said it's an issue, but it's a minor issue 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: not a major issue. So ninety nine percent of Americans 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: say that big city crime is either a major eighty 134 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: one percent or minor eighteen percent issue. One percent of 135 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: people said it's not an issue. Democrats have hooked their wagon, 136 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: hooked their horses to the wagon of crime is not 137 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It's actually way better than 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: you think. Trump is a dictator because he's trying to 139 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: drive down crime. I just got to give trummenduscredit to 140 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Trump for his political instincts and being totally and completely 141 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: wrong on a right on this, and I gotta give 142 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: Mayor a Muriel Bowser. This is how real politician should work. 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I understand if they have disagreements, they have two different 144 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: political parties, all those things. Conflict is not bad when 145 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: it's rational, reasonable conflict about the direction that something should go. 146 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Crime should not be an issue of conflict. We should 147 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: all as you just heard me say. The AP says 148 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of people say crime is even either 149 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: a major or minor. 150 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: Issue in big cities in America. 151 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Trump is just right about this issue, and 152 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: it's better if there's less violent crime. Buck eighty seven 153 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: percent decline in carjackings do you know everybody out there. 154 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: Carjackings aren't an incredibly violent crime. You are using a weapon, 155 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: generally speaking, to get someone who is in a car, 156 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: dragging them out, forcing them out. Sometimes there are kids involved, 157 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: babies if you have car seats. It's not like you 158 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: can easily get a child out. It happens every now 159 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: and then. A carjacking where there's still a baby in 160 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: the back of the car you take off speeding. A 161 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: carjacking typically is really four or five crimes all rolled 162 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: into one. To knock them down by eighty seven percent 163 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: is flat out extraordinary. And again, I think this just 164 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: shows that it's not an intractable, unsolvable problem. The question 165 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: has just been is there a will to actually address 166 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: violent crime? 167 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: And with Trump there is, and we're seeing the results 168 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: which we knew what happened, because it turns out what 169 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: is obviously true is obviously true. Look at that more cops, 170 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: more resources, less opportunity for criminals to get away with things, 171 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: you're going to get less crime. Generally, you get more 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: of what you encourage, you get less of what you discourage. 173 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 2: Discouraging the criminal element in DC from doing what they 174 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: do is a good thing. And yet here we are 175 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: still having so many Democrats pretend that somehow there's something 176 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: wrong with Trump's approach on this, in fact, worse than wrong. 177 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean they think it is it is you know, evil, 178 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: it is undermining our sacred democracy. They say all kinds 179 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: of crazy stuff. Notice one thing you won't hear them say, 180 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: we have a different plan to bring crime down. And 181 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: the ones who are foolish enough to actually go there, 182 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: like the Mayor of Chicago, their answers, or rather their 183 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: their planning is laughable. More social workers has not, will 184 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: not and never will assist in bringing down serious violent 185 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: crime in any way you can measure, and in any 186 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: way that anybody would consider serious. So they don't have 187 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: an alternative. So really, what the Democrats have is because 188 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: we don't want law enforcement to seem rate, and because 189 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: we don't want Trump to seem correct, and we certainly 190 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: don't want to have to admit we're wrong. As Democrats, 191 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: we would rather more people be carjacked, more people be shot, 192 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: and bad things continue to happen in American cities. Then 193 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: would happen if we just let Republicans like Trump do 194 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: what they want to do and do what they know 195 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: should be done. That's as simple as this is clay. 196 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: That's it. You know. It's just like we said with 197 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: the Biden border. You either deport people and discourage i 198 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: legal crossings, or you encourage it and you get ten 199 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: million people coming into the country. It's very straightforward. 200 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: I think deep down Democrats are like, oh, wow, this 201 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: is working because I think they really thought, oh, there's 202 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: nothing we can do about crime. And I think they're 203 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: starting to recognize when you got ninety nine percent of 204 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: people saying it's either a major or minor issue in 205 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: big cities in America. I'm not saying the one percent. 206 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something that I would believe 207 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: that I would be willing to go to the mat 208 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: on that ninety nine percent of people would disagree with me. 209 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the one percent is always wrong. It's 210 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: pretty hard to for the one percent argument to win, 211 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, if you have a honest, in any. 212 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: Way impartial media. And I think Trump is winning. 213 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: And I think candidly even a lot of left wing 214 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: journalists who claim that they hate Trump agree with him 215 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: on the DC crime related issue. We'll play some cuts 216 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: by the way for you when we come back in 217 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: a little bit from Caroline Levitt who had a White 218 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: House press briefing in the last hour or so. Also 219 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: encourage you to go sign up for the Clay and 220 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: Buck podcast. That way you won't miss our guests in 221 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: the first two hours. Mary Margaret old hand, she was 222 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: great on the failure to respond from Tim Walls in Minnesota, 223 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: and then Virginia governor wins some steers. But Buck, are 224 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: you ready first pick of the prize Picks season? 225 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: Right now? 226 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: We got college football returning this weekend, and I have 227 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: picked three different players that I believe are going to 228 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: go over over more on their production going on this 229 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: weekend and big games. You got Texas going up against 230 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Ohio State. I am taking arch Manning. Arch Manning, the 231 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: latest stud of Demanning football, playing quarterback, playing family. I'm 232 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: taking him to throw for more than one and a 233 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: half touchdowns in the game against Ohio State. Big noon 234 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: kickoff game on Fox. Everybody in Ohio is going to 235 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: be watching. Most of Texas is going to be watching 236 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: arch Manning more than one and a half touchdowns Noon 237 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Eastern kick on Saturday on Fox. Jeremiah Smith same game, 238 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: same game for Ohio State. The best wide receiver in 239 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: college football. I am taking him to have more than 240 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: eighty three and a half receiving yards. So Jeremiah Smith 241 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: best receiver in college football more than eighty three and 242 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: a half passing receiving yards. And then Deshaun Bishop. He 243 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: is a running back for Tennessee. Tennessee is playing against Syracuse, 244 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: a battle of teams in orange in Atlanta, also an 245 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: early kick. These are all noon Eastern games more than 246 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: one half rushing or receiving touchdown. If I am correct, 247 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: you will pay off with those picks four to one. 248 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: Twenty dollars will turn back eighty dollars. Five will turn 249 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: you into twenty. You go to pricepicks dot com right now, 250 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: use code Clay. That's more on Arch Manning, passing touchdowns, 251 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: more receiving yards for Jeremiah Smith, more Deshaun Smith Bishop, 252 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns or receiving touchdowns. Trust me, you're gonna love this. 253 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: When you play five dollars, you get fifty. This pays 254 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: off at four to one opening weekend college football prizepicks 255 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: dot com. My name Clay, that's prizepicks dot com. 256 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: Ce l a y. 257 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 5: News and politics but also a little comic relief. 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I mean I can neither confirm nor deny, 284 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: but I can just tell you that I knew that 285 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: the mayor was going to say what she said weeks 286 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: before she or a couple of weeks before she said it, 287 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: because Yeah, I've got sources close to even some Democrats 288 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: that I give. 289 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: Her a lot of credit for being willing to I 290 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: can't believe we're here, but just being willing to say 291 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: objectively true things, even if they happen to correspond with 292 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: President Trump's decisions. There are most Democrats won't do it. 293 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: And this is how it should be. This is what 294 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: the mayor of Chicago should be saying, Hey, we want 295 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: all the federal support we can get. We want to 296 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: have a lower crime rate. This is what the mayor 297 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: of la should be saying. I don't know why you 298 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: would turn down opportunities to drastically lower your crime rate 299 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: if they were available to you. This is common sense. 300 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Every city in America should be begging for the President 301 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: to offer as many resources to them as possible. 302 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: Yes, this should be very straightforward. Reminds me in the 303 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: I think underrated movie Boiler Room, when he's teaching his 304 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: new sales associates how to get someone to say yes. 305 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 2: He's like, if you were drowning and I threw you 306 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: a life preserver, would you take it? Yes? Okay, great, 307 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: you know, like just getting it. Yeah. It's kind of 308 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: like that with the crime things, like if I could 309 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: help you get less carjackings, less murders, less robberies, would 310 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: you accept it? 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I got to start 339 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: with this because everybody. We said you were coming on, 340 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: and they said, are you going to ask him about 341 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: what he said yesterday on Fox News? And so we 342 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: have this clip. You know what you're walking into here. 343 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, this timing was a hell 344 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: of a timing here. So before we get into the book, 345 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: before we dive into that, here is yesterday Congressman Trey 346 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Goudi on Fox News. 347 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 6: Our system is reactive. Something bad happens, we react to it. 348 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 6: And what people are crying for now is how can 349 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 6: we prevent this? 350 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: How can we stop it? 351 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 6: And the only way to stop it is to identify 352 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 6: the shooter ahead of time or keep the weapons out 353 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 6: of their hands. And so we're going to have to 354 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 6: have a conversation of freedom versus protecting children. I mean, 355 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 6: how many school shootings does it take before we're going 356 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 6: to have a conversation about keeping firearms out. It's always 357 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 6: a young white male, almost always. I mean, did anyone 358 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: this morning think I wonder if that was a female? 359 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 6: Did any of y'all think that? I mean, there's been 360 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 6: one school shooting involving a female one Tennessee. But other 361 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: than that, it is usually young white males. 362 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: All Right, this is reacting live, Yeah, and turn your 363 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: mentions off, Trey. 364 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 6: But what do you wish social media? 365 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: I know you're not. That's good for you. 366 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: That's good for you right now, Okay, with a day 367 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: to reflect, what do you wish you would have said? 368 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: Would you change any of the commentary that we just 369 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: played there? 370 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 6: Now? I mean, obviously, if I had a longer format, 371 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 6: which I had for sixteen years, I could extrapolate on 372 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 6: what's that? What I meant by that, I mean we 373 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 6: have gun control. There are controls on who can have guns, 374 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 6: where you can have them, and what kind of guns 375 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 6: you can. Have spent six years prosecuting gun cases and 376 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 6: then ten years prosecuting murder cases. My point was pretty simple, 377 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 6: and actually I don't understand the argument against it. By 378 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 6: the time a murder takes place, we've already lost somebody's 379 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 6: been killed. How can we prevent the murder? So you 380 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 6: either focus on the shooter or you track the firearm. 381 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 6: And if you track this firearm, it was lawfully purchased. 382 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 6: So I don't I really defy anyone to say, knowing 383 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 6: everything we know now, I would still sell three firearms 384 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 6: to this shooter. Because what you're saying is that you're 385 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 6: okay with what happened, we would not do anything to 386 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 6: change it. 387 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: But on what, on what legal basis, Trey, would you 388 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: not have sold the firearms to this individual? 389 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 6: I think if you did even a cursory review from 390 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 6: a mental health standpoint, this person doesn't need a pair 391 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 6: of scissors or a plastic fork. 392 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be sorry to cut you off? But wouldn't 393 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: that be a I always come back to parenting. I 394 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: don't understand how this person who is clearly mentally ill. 395 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: I think most school shootings or most mass shootings in 396 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: general that are like these, someone is mentally ill, and 397 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: so to me, I look at it and I say, 398 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: Mom or Dad, just like with the crazy trans chicken Nashville, 399 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: and just like this crazy trans dude in Minneapolis, Mom 400 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: and dad, if they were paying any attention at all, 401 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: should have said this person should not have access to firearms. 402 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: I look at it as parenting, So one, I want 403 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that. Secondly, the way we 404 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: define mass shooting is I think often broken, because most 405 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: mass shooters are not young male white males like you said, 406 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: It's mostly young black men who commit the vast majority 407 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: of murders who commit the vast majority of violent So 408 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I do think a lot of people reacted not only 409 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: to what you said, but you saying, hey, it's almost 410 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: always white males. 411 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. When I consider mass shooting, I don't accept the 412 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 6: FBI's definition of it. If you accept the FBI's definition, 413 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 6: we've had what seven hundred mass shootings, So, you know, 414 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 6: to rival gang shooting each other out over a drug turf, 415 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 6: I don't consider that to be a mass shooting. I 416 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 6: consider a mass shooting to be Sandy Hook, Columbine Valdi, 417 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 6: what happened in Tennessee, what happened yesterday, completely innocent targets 418 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 6: that had absolutely nothing to do with whoever the perpetrator was. 419 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 6: Las Vegas is another perfect example of what I consider 420 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 6: to be a mass shooting. So the former prosecutor in 421 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 6: me rejects the notion of how the FBI tracks mass shootings. 422 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 6: The answer to your second to your first question about parenting, 423 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 6: we should do. I think we're in one accord. They're 424 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 6: the Crumbly parents were prosecuted because they had either actual 425 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 6: or constructive knowledge that their son was going to do 426 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 6: something with a firearm at that school, and they wound 427 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 6: up being prosecuted. So it always gives a little bit 428 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 6: dangerous when you start holding children of parents responsible for 429 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 6: the actions of their children. But when you can prove 430 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 6: that the parent knew or should have known, and did 431 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 6: not take any steps to do so, I mean, it's 432 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 6: rare for parents to go ask that their children be 433 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 6: involuntarily committed. It would be rare for a parent to 434 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 6: call the police in a state that had a red 435 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 6: flag law. So how else if the parents parents are 436 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 6: notoriously non objective. I mean, that's why we love them. 437 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 6: We're not objective about our children. Our parents are not 438 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 6: always objective about us. But the price that we are 439 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 6: paying right now, I mean, we've had school shooting after 440 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 6: school shooting, after school shoot, and I wholeheartedly agree with 441 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 6: the notion. In fact, in my hometown we have a 442 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 6: police presence and every school and that deters. So what 443 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 6: the president is doing in DC works police presence deters. 444 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 6: This was a private school, so government cannot dictate to 445 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 6: a private religious school that you must have armed guards. 446 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 6: So my point is, you know, and honestly I caught 447 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 6: it from the left end right yesterday. The left didn't 448 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 6: like the fact that I made mention of Jesus. The 449 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 6: right didn't like factor the fact that I mentioned gun control. 450 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: But what I think some people maybe lose sight of 451 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 6: is we already have gun control. You and I cannot 452 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 6: walk into certain places with a fully automatic machine gun. 453 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 6: That is gun control. The question is can we find 454 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: something to lower the number of the mass shooting story 455 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 6: I defined them? 456 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: Well, okay, Trey, waita, I need you to help me 457 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: out here for a second. So like I lived in 458 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: New York City and in Times Square there are big 459 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: signs that say gun free zone, and there are still 460 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: shootings in Times Square because the people that are going 461 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: to shoot people don't care about the signs. So when 462 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: you're talking about gun control, are you? It's sounding to 463 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: me and I could be missing this, Like you think 464 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: there's a better way to do gun control instead of 465 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: we have a ton of gun control already and it 466 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: doesn't work to stop mass shootings like this, So why 467 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: would we do more gun control? Can you help me 468 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: untangle that? 469 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 6: Sure? Yeah, I did it. I did it when I 470 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 6: was a state prosecutor. I called the FEDS in and said, 471 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 6: we're going to have summer of silence. We're not going 472 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 6: to wait. I mean, look, if I'm prosecuting murder case, 473 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 6: I've lost somebody's already dead. So I got with the 474 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 6: US Attorney's Office because they have really, really strict firearms statutes. 475 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 6: There are a number of people prohibited from possessing firearms 476 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 6: court martial, adjudicated mentally ill felons subject to a court 477 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 6: order and a restraining order, and domestic violence case here 478 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 6: in the country. Unlawfully. That's a big one that never 479 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 6: gets talked about. You cannot lawfully possess parral No, I get. 480 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: It, Well, so what does that have to do with 481 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: what we just saw in the shooting in Minneapolis? 482 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 6: Though prosecute Well, that's my point is do we have 483 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 6: a law that would have prevented what happened yesterday? And 484 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 6: if we don't have a law, can we fashion one 485 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 6: that balances people's freedom? 486 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: And I think the answer is no, Trey. I think 487 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: this is why people on the right are upset at you. 488 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: I think the answer is there is no answer for 489 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: is there a law that will balance freedom with and 490 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: stop balance freedom with the need to protect the public 491 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: and stop something like this Unless you're going to talk 492 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: about red flag laws, mental health stuff and really get 493 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: deep into that. But that's a that's a stick. 494 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 6: You just that we're just going to live with these 495 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 6: mass shootings. 496 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: Well, I think one thing we could do is, and 497 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this, I mean we've been asking this 498 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: question if you look. You mentioned mass shootings, so specifically 499 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: taking the school shooting as an example, The school shooter 500 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: in Nashville clearly trans meted up on all sorts of things. Mentally, 501 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: we agree that parents clearly should not have had these 502 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: people with guns, right, same thing I think is true 503 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: now in Minneapolis, former student. I think one thing we 504 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: could do is address should we be giving these people 505 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: the medication that I think is prone to making them 506 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: more violent as and then taking their anger and their 507 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: violence out on the schools. That would be one answer 508 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: for me is we should have a big investigation because 509 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: the trans community is very small. There are not very 510 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: many people who are trans, and now we have two 511 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: different trans people who have shown up at Christian schools 512 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: and slaughtered innocent kids. 513 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean traded to answer your question because 514 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: you said, well, then we have to just live with 515 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: these shootings. The reality, I think as we see it, 516 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: is that a big problem is that you have people 517 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: you have a class of people right now, a group 518 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: of people who are being told that there's a genocide 519 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: being perpetrated against them by the biggest voices in the 520 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: Democrat Party, by the biggest newspapers, by some of the 521 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: biggest channels on TV, and by the culture more broadly, 522 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: and that that's essentially a celebration of a dangerous men, 523 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: or rather celebrating a mental illness which can create, in 524 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 2: some circumstances, a dangerous outcome, like we have seen now 525 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: more than once, as you pointed out, including at the 526 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: Comington school shooting. But you get into the gun side 527 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: of this specifically, I'm still I don't know what So 528 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: if we want to have a conversation about mental health, 529 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: we want to have a conversation about not celebrating mental illness. 530 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: That I'm all for. But on the gun side of it, 531 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you had to prosecute people for gun law violations. 532 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: There's a ton of different ways you can be prosecuted 533 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: for gun stuff. As you know better than ninety nine 534 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: percent of the population, there's no perfect security and there's 535 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: no perfect way to get everybody. I mean, the truth 536 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: is Trey mass shootings actually are rare. So when you 537 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: say we're gonna live with mass shootings. You know, it 538 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: sounds a little bit like what the Democrats say, which 539 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: is if we can just have one, you know, let's 540 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: get the only ten round magazines that'll save people. Let's 541 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: not have ar fifteen's in this state that'll save people sans. 542 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 6: Ten people are dead. That just means ten people are dead. 543 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 6: So I've never talked about magazine capacity because that just 544 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 6: tells me you will accept ten deb people, but you 545 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 6: won't accept eleven. 546 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 2: But I mean, if you're if you're somebody who doesn't think, 547 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: if there's not a law that you can come up with, 548 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: given what you used to do, that would have stopped this, 549 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: that is workable, My point is maybe there's not a 550 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: law that is workable that would stop something like this, 551 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: and maybe that is actually the reality we deal with 552 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: in a free society. It's tragic, but it's true. 553 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 6: Well I would so I don't know the last time 554 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 6: you travel, but wait in line a long time to 555 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 6: board a plane because we said, never again is someone 556 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 6: going to do something with an airplane. I have to 557 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 6: show ID almost everywhere I go, And so we're willing 558 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 6: to trade in certain pockets of our lives. We are 559 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 6: willing to trade a little bit of inconvenience for public safety. 560 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: But isn't the two a community already trading a lot. 561 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we got we got all these rules, it's 562 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: my point. I mean, so it's like, if one person 563 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: once a year is able to do something on a plane, 564 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: does that mean we're gonna add more rules than. 565 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: We actually just got rid of the liquid thing? And 566 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: there's not a constitutional right to air travel. I think 567 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Second Amendment people would say, so, what 568 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: would your solution. 569 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: Let's close it up this way. Let me let me 570 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: tell you this, Trey. 571 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: By the way, the book is the color of death, 572 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: Trey Gouty, I want to make sure that we address this. 573 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: Let's pretend that I gave you a magic wand and 574 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: you could design a system that would stop uh excess 575 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: violent death while also preserving everyone's constitutional rights. What would 576 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: that look like in the mind of sorcerer magician Trey GOUTI. 577 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 6: Well, I would do what I did. For six years, 578 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 6: the Obama administration had a namically low firearms prosecutions. To 579 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 6: talk about gun control for eight years, their gun prosecutions 580 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 6: were animically low, And I get that it is not 581 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 6: nearly as sexy to prosecute a possession a fellow in 582 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 6: a possession of a firearm case as murder. But that's 583 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 6: what you have to do. You have to enforce the 584 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 6: laws that you currently have, which we are not doing. 585 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: Ray. That's a totally separate I mean, when you're talking 586 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: about the Obama administration wasn't and this was true with 587 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: Krasner as the DA in Philadelphia. You know this, They 588 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: weren't pushing those cases because it disproportionately affected the minority community. 589 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: Young black men were being prosecuted at much higher rates 590 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: for those. That's a totally separate thing from somebody who's 591 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: a complete lunatic who wants to go up and shoot 592 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: up a school. Like you can prosecute all the gang 593 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: members you want across the country, that's not going to 594 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: stop what happened in Minneapolis. When we both know. 595 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 6: No one of the prohibited persons is whether or not 596 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 6: you've been adjudicated mentally ill. 597 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: And had this person been adjudicated mentally ill, I'm not 598 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: aware of that if that was the case, right, But 599 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: that's my point. 600 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 6: Had anybody tried, had anybody sought an involuntary confinement, had 601 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 6: it or or when we go back to Congress. It 602 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 6: was the Republicans conservatives who said, the fact that a 603 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 6: SOB security judge has deemed you disabled due to a 604 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 6: mental illness is not a bar to you possessing a firearm. 605 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 6: I wonder if we could go back in time, if 606 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 6: we would tweak our position. 607 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: If you're advocating for something that would not have made 608 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: any difference to the shooting that we just happened as 609 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: a solution to the shooting, Tred's that's where I think 610 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: there's a problem. 611 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 6: Well, well then then I would ask you what would 612 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 6: you do? Or are we just going to accept and 613 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 6: grieve in the aftermath of more. 614 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: I mean we talked, we talked extensively yesterday about about 615 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: putting more armed security in places like schools. I don't 616 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: know if you know this tray we actually had on 617 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: Mary Margaret Olan who said Catholic schools in Minnesota specifically 618 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: after Comington went to the governor and said, hey, we 619 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: need help, we want more armed guards. Now, I'm not 620 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: saying that's a cure all, but it is something and 621 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: it is something that, by the way, this shooter took 622 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: into account. So this was part of the calculation. There 623 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: was no arm security at this school, so it's not 624 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: a do nothing thing, Trey. It sounds a lot like 625 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 2: a gun grabbing democrat point of view on this one. 626 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: This is why you're catching all the heat, my friend. 627 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised, is he gone? Huh? Well? He 628 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: Color of Death is his book? Was? I was? 629 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: I being no, I'm just I'm surprised he hung up. 630 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: I think that's the first. I think that's the first 631 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: hang up we've had. 632 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 2: Am I wrong? I don't think Penn. I'm just gonna 633 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 2: tell you guys right now. I've always I think Trey 634 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: is a nice guy. Come on, man, like we're just 635 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: exchanging ideas here. That was totally polite. I'm gonna you 636 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: know what, Trey, I'm gonna give We were pushing your book. 637 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the last word. The Color 638 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: of Death is the book. Tell us what your what 639 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: your final thoughts are on this one. We'll give you 640 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 2: last word. 641 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I did not feel comfortable pushing the 642 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 6: book yesterday in light of real life grief. This is fictional, 643 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 6: but if people want to know what it's like to 644 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 6: prosecute a murder case, you know, I don't think the 645 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 6: media you get to write about the interaction between cops 646 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 6: and prosecutors, victims and prosecutors, the bond that exists. So 647 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 6: I wanted to write a real life account of what 648 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 6: it's like to try to catch a killer from the 649 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 6: moment the crime happens, admitting that by the time the 650 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 6: murder takes place, there's already been a loss of life. 651 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: But that happens. 652 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 6: It happens all the time. It's what I did for 653 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 6: ten years, and I want people to have a realistic 654 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 6: view of what that's like because mini series, movies and 655 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 6: television shows don't get it right. 656 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, well leave it there for trade. Thank 657 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 2: you for making the time for us, and thanks for 658 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: answering our questions. That we appreciate it now. 659 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 6: They're great questions. Look, I mean, I want to keep 660 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 6: having the conversation, and I appreciate you. Look, I mean 661 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 6: we I think we all agree we would like a 662 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 6: safer society without doing violence to our freedoms. And I 663 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 6: think you and I want to get to the same place, 664 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 6: and I respect you, even if we may have slightly 665 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 6: different paths on how to get there. I am not 666 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 6: wed to my way. If there is a better way. 667 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 6: I just I it just breaks my heart as I 668 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 6: know it does yours to see dead innocent victims. 669 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's well said, Trey, and we appreciate that. We 670 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 2: agree with that, and thank you for coming on. 671 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 6: God bless you, thank you, thank you. 672 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: Guys. 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