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Speaker 1: All right, big third hour of play Buck starts.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: We have our friend Andy McCarthy in the mix with us.

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Speaker 3: He's of National Review and Fox News twenty plus years

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Speaker 3: he was a federal prosecutor in the southern visit of

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Speaker 1: You all know him. Andy, Great to have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, how are ya?

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Speaker 5: We're pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Clay's got some baseball smack to talk, I'm sure at

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Speaker 3: some point, but I wanted to jump right in and

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Speaker 3: I wasn't.

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Speaker 6: Smacked enough yesterday. I need it from play.

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Speaker 3: Today, So I need to know this Andy. What happens

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Speaker 3: if Trump walks into this trial with march I and

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Speaker 3: basically just dares him to actually put him in prison,

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Speaker 3: because right now he's finding him a thousand dollars a

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Speaker 3: day found him in contempt again, Where does this standoff

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Speaker 3: between Donald Trump and some judge in New York City

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Speaker 6: Well? I don't really. I think there's gonna be a

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Speaker 6: lot of huffing and puffing, but I don't think it

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Speaker 6: gets worse than it is now, because to me, this

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Speaker 6: is all political theater at this point. This whole case

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Speaker 6: was brought because of politics, and I think it would

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Speaker 6: be disastrous electoral politics.

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Speaker 7: We might have just lost Andy there for a sec.

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Speaker 7: He's going to come back. You heard him start to

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Speaker 7: answer the question about how it would be disastrous electoral politics.

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Speaker 7: I think that's true, and I think so much of

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Speaker 7: this is blowing up. We talked about Christy Knowham and

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Speaker 7: like the own goal that I think.

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Speaker 5: Her book has been for her.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Christy know whatever, the governor of South Dakota that

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Speaker 7: used to have a political future in national politics and nowadad.

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Speaker 3: We did get some calls that thinks she does that

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Speaker 3: this is fine, don't blow it out of proportion. We

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Speaker 7: To me, if you're this dumb, your odds of making

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Speaker 7: your way through a competitive Republican primary, speaking of Christy,

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Speaker 7: not any of the callers, but yes, are low because

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Speaker 7: you are going to have a lot of super bright

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Speaker 7: I think she's killed her chances of being the nominee

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Speaker 7: with us. Andy, I'll let you continue that answer to

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Speaker 7: Buck's question that you were giving about the politics of

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Speaker 7: the idea of putting Trump in jail for potentially violating

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Speaker 7: the contempt of court order.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, Clay. I just think it would be such

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Speaker 6: a disaster for the Democrats politically to have Trump put

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Speaker 6: into to jail on a very unfair gag order in

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Speaker 6: the sense that he's the only person on the planet

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Speaker 6: who can't talk about this. You know, the other witnesses

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Speaker 6: allowed to talk. But the other thing, you wouldn't think

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Speaker 6: that Democrats want more attention to this case, which putting

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Speaker 6: Trump in jail would put put I think immensely more

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Speaker 6: I just really think that I think Merchant's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, what is the point of this, then, Andy, If

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Speaker 3: politically the Democrats don't even want there to be more

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Speaker 3: Is it all just to try to tag him with

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Speaker 1: Is it as simple and maybe simplistic as that.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, we got to also think about what

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Speaker 6: their internal polling is showing. Right, So I know there

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Speaker 6: how much a conviction in this case would hurt Trump.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously he doesn't want to be convicted, but

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Speaker 6: I don't I think it may be negligible. Whereas I

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Speaker 6: do think if he got convicted on a January sixth case,

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Speaker 7: Okay, let's dive into the case itself, Andy, because admittedly

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Speaker 7: Buck and I are on the show for three hours

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Speaker 7: minute by minute of the court case. But the longer

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Speaker 7: Like I just I look at it and I say,

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Speaker 7: they're clearly trying to embarrass Trump with some of these

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Speaker 7: details in some of these witnesses, but ultimately they're not

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Speaker 7: proving very much of a crime, and they're actually giving

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Speaker 7: him a lot of leeway here. Now, maybe it's not

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Speaker 5: Too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I mean, when I'm assuming the Appeals Court,

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Speaker 3: to be the New York State of Appeals. Well, eventually

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Speaker 7: But the New York Appeals Court, to their credit, just

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Speaker 7: there I can't imagine you know better than me, Andy.

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Speaker 7: They're very many less popular defendants than Harvey Weinstein over

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Speaker 1: Am I missing something?

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Speaker 6: I don't think you're missing anything. I think it will

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Speaker 6: Bragg doesn't have jurisdiction to do what he's trying to do,

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Speaker 6: which is enforce the federal campaign finance laws, which he'sn't

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Speaker 6: he doesn't have authority to enforce those laws anyway. The

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Speaker 6: I think what they're trying to do is get to

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Speaker 7: Okay, So the other thing here and again they're trying

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Speaker 7: curious what you think about this Trump paid off a

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Speaker 7: so they have previously paid off past stories that were

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Speaker 7: And therefore his motivation, which is what they're trying to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's right, And that goes to the problem

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Speaker 6: of them could be that Bragg can't It's not enough

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Speaker 6: fraudulent intent. And what he's trying to say is that

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Speaker 6: Number one, Trump didn't have fraudulent intent because nobody was

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Speaker 4: But there's a big difference between.

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Speaker 6: It's enough to say they would have been profoundly embarrass

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Speaker 3: Andy, I'm just wondering if if Judge march On, uh,

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Speaker 7: You'd have the right to put on your suit, take

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Speaker 6: Yes, could, I'd make one suggestion. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: Which is home confinement right from tower.

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Speaker 6: there's worse places to be in home confinement than Trump Tower.

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Speaker 6: But you know, if you put him in home confinement

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I thought all along. Andy's they may

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Speaker 1: Ani McCarthy, everybody follow, follow.

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Speaker 6: We could make him go to a Met game.

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Speaker 7: That would be Ah, look at you with the self

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Speaker 5: I had better.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Jim?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys there to.

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Speaker 1: Harry all today.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I have a.

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Speaker 4: Theory about why perhaps christ you know, may have said

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Speaker 4: Okay, got it? How about that?

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Speaker 4: So anyway, so I think what maybe she was her

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Speaker 3: I think that Jim is an incredibly nice person, and

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Speaker 7: And it doesn't take away from the fact that she

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Speaker 1: Jim.

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Speaker 3: of those. And I appreciate you coming in and jumping

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Speaker 3: off a speaker too. No speakerphone, everybody, when you call in,

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Speaker 3: we want to hear everything you're saying. Ron in Louisiana, Ron,

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Speaker 3: what have you got for us?

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Speaker 8: For those of us out here who are not the lawyers.

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Speaker 8: I'm confused about something and I hope y'all can help

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Speaker 8: me out why can't some of these issues be appealed

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Speaker 8: right now during the trial itself, rather than waiting for

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Speaker 8: the whole trial to take place and then appeal the issues.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna give you a non lawyer answer, then

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Speaker 3: Clay can come over the top with a lawyer answer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my sense of it is that the appeal

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Speaker 3: that that there are only certain things that you would

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Speaker 3: be able to appeal, and they would have to go

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Speaker 3: under some kind of a expedited you know, we need

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Speaker 3: the appeals court to look at this. There's only certain

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Speaker 3: things you could even try to get that with, and

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Speaker 3: generally speaking, a lot of these issues, the appeals Court's

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Speaker 3: going to say, well, let's see what the let's see

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Speaker 3: how this shakes out before we you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: major thing for an appeals court to step in and

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Speaker 3: say the entire proceeding underway in the lower.

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Speaker 1: Court is is bunk?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is garbage?

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Speaker 7: So I think he's asking a fantastic question, and if

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Speaker 7: Andy were here, I would be curious to hear his answer,

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Speaker 7: because he's far more versed in New York law than

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Speaker 7: i am.

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Speaker 3: I Actually, this is my biggest issue with in federal law,

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Speaker 3: and this is not federal, so there is even a

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Speaker 3: distinction here. He's this is New York state, New York

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Speaker 3: City stuff.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 7: But my argument would be the reason why they've been

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Speaker 7: able to forestall the progress of the cases in federal

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Speaker 7: court in DC and in South Florida, although South Florida

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Speaker 7: is more of a dilatory tactic, is they've appealed in

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Speaker 7: advance to find out whether the charges are valid. Again

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Speaker 7: based on presidential immunity. That's a very but that's.

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Speaker 3: My point about very specific the presidential immunity issue is

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Speaker 3: is really hard to get an appeal before you get

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Speaker 3: a trial unless you're the president.

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Speaker 7: I think they should have tried to appeal. Now here's

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Speaker 7: the challenge. It's state court. I think they could have appealed.

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Speaker 7: And this is why again I would I would love

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Speaker 7: to hear Andy's argument they're trying to argue, and this

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Speaker 7: gets into the real weeds that the reason why this

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Speaker 7: can be elevated from a misdemeanor to a felony is

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Speaker 7: because there is a secondary crime that has been committed

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Speaker 7: in the action. In other words, the bookkeeping error standing

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Speaker 7: alone is a misdemeanor. In order to elevate it to

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Speaker 7: a felony, you have to find a second crime, and

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Speaker 7: they were very become, not outgoing, not detailed in what

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Speaker 7: that second crime was. It appears they're trying to peg

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Speaker 7: it to a federal election violation. If I were criticizing

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Speaker 7: the Trump legal team in New York, I think they

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Speaker 7: could have potentially had grounds based on that federal angle

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Speaker 7: to get it into federal court and keep the trial

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Speaker 7: court from being able to proceed on the secondary angle.

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Speaker 3: I also Andy, you know, we love Andy, brilliant guy

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Speaker 3: knows a heck of a lot more than I do

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Speaker 3: about the law and the legal system, no question. But

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Speaker 3: if we're talking about betting on like just betting on

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Speaker 3: these things, the appeals court in DC was just as

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Speaker 3: rigged as the as the district court was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the circuit court has been just as bad when it

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Speaker 3: comes to Trump. I'm not convinced that the appeals court

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Speaker 3: in New York would be you know, Andy said he

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Speaker 3: thinks they could overtake over turned on appeal. It should be,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not convinced that it will be based upon

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Speaker 3: the kind of appeals court judges you get in New York.

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Speaker 3: Look at the appeals court judges on the federal side

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Speaker 3: you have in DC they're lunatics.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a challenge, but that's why ultimately

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Speaker 7: the Supreme Court is the check, and I think the

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court might be willing to look at this. Now

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Speaker 7: we'll see whether Bragg can avoid a federal issue, because

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Speaker 7: remember they're charging Trump with a crime before he became president,

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Speaker 7: so they're based. But now, anyway, this case I think

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Speaker 7: is going to get tossed because I think it's garbage ultimately,

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Speaker 7: but the fact that it's going to trial, I do think.

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Speaker 3: I do think it'll get I do not think this.

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Speaker 3: I do not think this case gets tossed by if

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Speaker 3: somehow it makes its way up into like federal oversight

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Speaker 3: in the Supreme Court, sure, yeah, absolutely. If it stays

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Speaker 3: in the New York state system, I don't think this

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Speaker 3: thing could come.

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Speaker 7: I think there are three or four different legal issues

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Speaker 7: that are untenable. And again, my one criticism would be

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Speaker 7: if they had tried to make a federal argument here,

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Speaker 7: they may have been able to avoid this case going

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Speaker 7: to trial too. Now I don't know it's going to

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Speaker 7: have super impact.

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Speaker 3: What if there's no punishment, you know, what I mean,

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Speaker 3: like what the appeals court does that factor into, meaning

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Speaker 3: if he's found guilty and the judge is like, all right,

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Speaker 3: you know time served basically even though he hasn't served

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Speaker 3: any time, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, Look, I think that that the reality is

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Speaker 7: if they get a conviction, because they're staring down the

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Speaker 7: barrel of not We've talked about this for a while

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Speaker 7: of not being able to get any of the other

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Speaker 7: trials to case to court before the election. I think

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Speaker 7: he really may overreach and try to put him in

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Speaker 7: prison on an expedited basis because they know nothing else

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is the only shot they've gotten, they've

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Speaker 7: Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. Cresciate all

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Speaker 7: of you hanging out with us. A lot of different

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Speaker 7: topics throughout the course of the day eight hundred and

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Speaker 7: eight two two eight eight two, many of you reacting

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Speaker 7: to those as well. I wanted to mention I think

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Speaker 7: I said this off the top, Buck, and then we'll

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Speaker 7: take a couple of your calls. Maybe we'll dive into

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Speaker 7: this a little bit more tomorrow. I thought this quote

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Speaker 7: was interesting. I like to start off my morning with

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Speaker 7: its free a Axios report, and I find Axios to

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Speaker 7: be fairer sometimes than other aspects of the media. They're

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Speaker 7: still left leaning and you have to be willing to

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Speaker 7: read it, but it's a free email distribution, and I

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Speaker 7: thought this was interesting. Their opening story was about Trump

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Speaker 7: being in good position six months out and it said

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Speaker 7: Trump is arguing, Hey, Minnesota and Virginia could be in play.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: This was in the open of Axios this morning, Buck.

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Speaker 7: In our private conversations, Democrats are a lot more worried

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Speaker 7: about November than Republicans are. Democrats say the race is winnable.

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Speaker 7: Emphasis Republicans say they're winning. The swing state map is

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Speaker 7: a big reason why the Trump team is saying, hey,

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Speaker 7: we only really think there are three swing states, Michigan, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 7: and Wisconsin. They feel very good about Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina.

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Speaker 7: And here's the other crazy thing, Buck, that you've been

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Speaker 7: hitting on quite a lot. Both teams effectively agree that

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Speaker 7: six percent of voters in just six states are going

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Speaker 7: to decide this election.

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Speaker 5: So of the two.

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Speaker 7: Hundred and forty four million Americans eligible to vote, ninety

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Speaker 7: nine point five percent of them are not going to

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Speaker 7: actually have a say, really and who gets elected.

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Speaker 3: There are people listening to this right now, who in

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Speaker 3: terms of the importance of their vote in a handful

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Speaker 3: of those states. If you're living in Georgia, your vote

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Speaker 3: compared to somebody who's living in say, Texas or Florida,

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Speaker 3: is going to matter one hundred times more.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 1: It's just far.

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Speaker 3: We're just gonna come down to what people decide in

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Speaker 3: a very small number of places, and it will be

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Speaker 3: enough people that you could fit them in a small

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Speaker 3: probably like a high school football stadium. Might be determinated

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Speaker 3: in a couple of states. And that's why it's so

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Speaker 3: hard to really know. As much as the national sentiment,

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Speaker 3: national sentiment has strongly moved against Joe Biden. But remember

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Speaker 3: what did Hillary win the popular vote? Which is not

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Speaker 3: the contest, but I'm just pointing it out. Didn't you

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Speaker 3: win the popular vote by six million votes or something

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Speaker 3: in twenty.

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Speaker 7: Six something in that neighborhood. I think you're right two

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Speaker 7: or three percentage points, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean lost well, you know, resoundingly in the electoral college.

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Speaker 3: That's the system that we have that's the system we

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Speaker 3: operate in. Do I think Trump is all I'm most

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Speaker 3: certain to wildly outperform on a national level what expectations

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Speaker 3: would have been from even a year ago in terms

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Speaker 3: of all the votes in Yes, But could I first

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Speaker 3: see a situation where the Republican does better than any

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Speaker 3: Republican in history in the popular vote? You know, and

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Speaker 3: everything's looking great, but those key states that's the don't

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Speaker 3: go his way. That's the concern. That's where you know,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to have a Hillary situation in reverse.

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Speaker 7: You could get You could see a situation to your

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Speaker 7: point where we talked about this. Let's say Trump loses

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Speaker 7: North loses New York by eight points. That might mean

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Speaker 7: that he's adding hundreds of thousands of votes based on

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty, but he's still losing that state, So all

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Speaker 7: of this could be Again. I thought this was interesting.

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Speaker 7: Ninety nine point five percent not going to matter that much,

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Speaker 7: and it may just be a big ten election where

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Speaker 7: those of you listening to us in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and

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Speaker 7: Michigan are deciding this race. I mean, and that is

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Speaker 7: what I would bet on right now, because I think

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Speaker 7: Georgia is going to go back to Trump. I think

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Speaker 7: Arizona's going to go back to Trump. Nevada is not

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Speaker 7: enough to win it, although I think it has a

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Speaker 7: good chance of flipping. Trump's gonna have to win, unless

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Speaker 7: you know, he flips Virginia or something like that. Trump

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Speaker 7: is going to have to win one of at minimum Michigan, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 7: or Pennsylvania. It's a big ten race. Mario in Westchester, PA.

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Speaker 7: You're fired up, We're being too mean to Christy Nome.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I am fired up.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I am yeah, Okay, tell us.

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Speaker 9: Why you especially with.

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Speaker 1: You, you're okay with me in particular, this call is

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Speaker 1: getting better.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, is.

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Speaker 9: What you guys did today for almost an hour, and

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Speaker 9: to be honest with you, with other Republicans and once

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Speaker 9: you said, said and did about.

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Speaker 3: No hold on, I gotta ask, I don't interrupt you,

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Speaker 3: what other what other Republican have we been really hard

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Speaker 3: on that you think that was.

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying you've been on other Republicans. I'm saying

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Speaker 9: that other Republicans like you, you know, in a very

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Speaker 9: negative way, and it really pisss me off.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: So if yes, I.

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Speaker 9: Want to tell you why I'm pissed off. I'm pissed

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Speaker 9: off because what you and these other Republicans are doing

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Speaker 9: to Christy No is the reason why Republicans can't win,

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Speaker 9: because we can't shut our mouth off when someone on

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Speaker 9: our side does something that we think is wrong. We

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Speaker 9: have a president right now who every time he opens

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Speaker 9: his mouth, he.

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Speaker 3: Lies, So we got what you're doing here is shutting.

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Speaker 9: Up, in my opinion, anything about all of the lives

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Speaker 9: that he says every single day.

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Speaker 3: We don't say enough bad things about Biden. I mean, sir,

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Speaker 3: that's like, I don't know. I mean, we just we

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Speaker 3: spent the show the first hour saying we don't think

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Speaker 3: he could run a lemonade stand. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what. We can't curse on the show. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what else you would want us to say. I

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Speaker 3: would raise this to you. I think I think, Mario,

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Speaker 3: you may have been a little taken in by misnome,

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Speaker 3: by the batting of the eyelashes, by the whole Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm like the good old American. You know, rodeo success

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Speaker 3: or ranch success story, and you know some of the

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Speaker 3: stuff has come out and it is likely she will

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Speaker 3: not be VP. Now, and I can understand there is

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Speaker 3: disappointment there, but it is incumbent upon us to be

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Speaker 3: honest with everybody before somebody's in a VP role in

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Speaker 3: a critical election that can determine the future of the country,

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Speaker 3: that we not have someone who will be annihilated by

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Speaker 3: the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: And calls us to lose the election.

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Speaker 3: Right, so you want us to wait, sit back and

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Speaker 3: say nothing before the decision is made.

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Speaker 1: Why would that be a good idea.

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Speaker 9: You've repeated what you just said right now at least

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Speaker 9: ten times today. You kept repeating the same thing over

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Speaker 9: and over again. What I'm saying to you is this,

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Speaker 9: She's not going to be the VP. She hasn't been

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Speaker 9: picked to be to VP, and that'll be done by

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Speaker 9: one person, and one.

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Speaker 7: Person, Mario. She let herself on fire. Hold on, if

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Speaker 7: you are able to light yourself on fire, then there's

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Speaker 7: no way you're going to be able to walk into

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Speaker 7: a battle, into the arena and beat somebody head to head. Again,

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Speaker 7: the evidence here is pretty clear. Either she's a straight

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Speaker 7: up liar and thought she could get away with claiming

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Speaker 7: she met Kim Jong un, or she's too dumb to

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Speaker 7: realize what she was claiming neither is good. Honesty matters

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Speaker 7: when it comes to being able to win. A big

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Speaker 7: body feels badly and I can understand the upset