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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm running Steve Shirk through our what would

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Speaker 2: you Do gauntlet, getting us insight into exactly how we'd

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Speaker 2: handle some of the most challenging deer hunting scenarios. I

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Speaker 2: can throw them all right, and welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 2: across the country. Good stuff. So this week on the show,

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Speaker 2: we are continuing are what would You Do series, in

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Speaker 2: which we are running our guests during the month of

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Speaker 2: August through a gauntlet of different situations, very specific hypothetical

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Speaker 2: deer hunting scenarios to see how they would deal with them,

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Speaker 2: what they would be thinking about, what their thought process

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Speaker 2: would be, what they're going to consider, and how they

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Speaker 2: would actually execute on that plan. And today our guest

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Speaker 2: is Steve Shirk. Steve Hale's from the mountains of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: where he's made a name for himself chasing big woods,

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Speaker 2: big mountain bucks across the state's vast public lands. And

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Speaker 2: he's not just doing it successfully for himself, he's also

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Speaker 2: leading dozens of other hunters to success through his outfitting business,

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Speaker 2: Shirks Guide Service. So in addition to all that, he

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Speaker 2: is also somehow finding time to share his insights through

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Speaker 2: articles he writes for North American Whitetail, all sorts of

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Speaker 2: YouTube videos and podcasts, and plenty of other things too.

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Speaker 2: So in short, Steve is a wealth of information and

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Speaker 2: a go to source for expert advice on hunting DIY

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Speaker 2: public land bucks. Which is why I'm so excited to

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Speaker 2: get to talk to him today and to run him

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Speaker 2: through the gauntlet. So that's what we're gonna do today.

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of interesting questions and scenarios for him,

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Speaker 2: but before we get into that, I do just want

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Speaker 2: to pause briefly and thank all of you who came

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Speaker 2: out to our Working for Wildlife tour this past weekend

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Speaker 2: in Missouri. Man, it was awesome. We had a great

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Speaker 2: show on showing. I think it's the word I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for you a great showing or turnout. Maybe it would

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Speaker 2: be the better choice of people who came out to

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Speaker 2: volunteer on this piece of public land there in eastern Missouri.

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Speaker 2: It was a really cool event. We did a kind

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Speaker 2: of a diverse array of different things. We were cutting

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Speaker 2: and different things are going to crowd out that important

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Speaker 2: wetland habitat in this area. We installed owl purchase for

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Speaker 2: short eared owls, which are an important species of conservation

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Speaker 2: need I believe out there in Missouri, and these these

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Speaker 2: wooden snag purchase. Out in the prairie habitat. We were

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Speaker 2: collecting seeds from some of the native prairie in which

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Speaker 2: restoration of prairie habitat. Elsewhere, we were building wood duck boxes,

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Speaker 2: repairing blinds for they've got some pre installed blinds for

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Speaker 2: folks working on that. All sorts of really good things

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Speaker 2: out there, which was just a really cool thing to

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Speaker 2: social event in which there was a number of different speakers,

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Speaker 2: Just wanted to again reiterate how much I appreciate everyone

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Speaker 2: hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.

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Speaker 2: We've got two more events coming up. There's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to meeting plenty more of you having good

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Speaker 2: We've got some really interesting hunting scenarios, we got some

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Speaker 2: Steve Shirk. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Steve, Hey, thanks a lot for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're making this happen. You've you've made a

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Speaker 2: the fact that you also, you know, run a guide

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Speaker 2: just a guy who hunts for himself, because you've got

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Speaker 2: a whole different level of pressure and a whole different

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Speaker 2: level of data points. I've always thought that outfitters have

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Speaker 2: They talk to the different people that are hunting with

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Speaker 2: them every day, every week and you get it must

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Speaker 2: be a boatload of information you're getting in. So it's

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Speaker 2: all that said, I'm counting on you to be like

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Speaker 2: an absolute banger of a guest for our gauntlet we're

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I know that you hit the nail on

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Speaker 2: So so the gist of what we're doing here is

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Speaker 2: the what would you do? Gauntlet? So I'm gonna run

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Speaker 2: why you would do it, and paint me as much

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Speaker 2: Okay, So in the interest of time, then we're not

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Speaker 2: I think it'll just warmed up. Given your experience a

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Speaker 2: maybe like North Carolina or Tennessee, you know, still kind

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Speaker 2: brand new state, brand new area. And I said, all right,

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Speaker 2: figure it out. It's late August. You've never stepped foot

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Just one other question too, that is this like

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Speaker 3: a pre scouting mission weeks ahead of the hunt? Are

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Speaker 3: we talking like coming in five days before the hunt? Yep.

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Speaker 2: So let's say you are moving end of August. So like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're going to be, you know, pretty if

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's you know, even though I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: big boots on the ground type of scouter. I've learned

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Speaker 3: So I'd be going into that area looking for overlooked areas,

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Speaker 3: looking for those more remote hard to access that way, especially,

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Speaker 2: Yes, So so I'm curious, you know, a day of

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Speaker 2: boots on the ground like that, Let's say, does that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the first thing, I'm really only looking

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Speaker 3: But if it's like mid to late October, I'll get

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Speaker 3: So I don't think you're as intrusive that time of year. Plus, uh,

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's play that a little further than So.

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Speaker 3: Most likely I'm probably not going to run into a bed,

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Speaker 3: That's probably where I would set up. The biggest thing, though,

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Speaker 2: So that situation, when you know you're scouting your way through,

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Speaker 3: You know, it would depend on if I was going

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Speaker 3: to set up on the edge. But you know, there's

432
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 3: so many different factors you've got to you know, you've

433
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: got to think about and make decisions on that. You know,

434
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: I think you are a little bit better to back

435
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 3: off and maybe hopefully you're within one hundred yards where

436
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: that deer is laying. But if you think you can

437
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 3: sneak another twenty thirty forty yards further, I mean it

438
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like much, but telling you just getting in

439
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: that cover a little bit could be the factor between

440
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: ever seeing that year and you know, getting an opportunity.

441
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: So if I can sneak in there quietly, I'm going

442
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: to hunt in that cover. I like it.

443
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: All right. Let's uh, let's take you back home. Let's

444
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 2: say you're back on your home turf, and yeah, I

445
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: guess let me clarify. One thing is it right that

446
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: you've run more than one hundred and fifty trail cameras

447
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: on any given year somewhere in that ballpark.

448
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: Is it true, you mean? Or is it unethical? No?

449
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: No, not that not an ethics question. I want to

450
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: make sure you got my numbers right. You've got a

451
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: lot of games though, right.

452
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, last year I had one hundred and round one

453
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five out last year. And that's just

454
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: also to get to clarify, that's in about a thirty

455
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: mile stretch too. It's not like I got seventy cameras

456
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: on a few square miles, so it's in a big area.

457
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So with that in mind, you've got one

458
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five some trail cameras scattered across the

459
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: mountains out there. You've got a plan in place, you've

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: scouted all off season. You're going into the season with

461
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: a specific set of target bucks maybe you're after. And

462
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: let's say it's that early ish part of October, so

463
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: you've got some stuff with regular work going on still,

464
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: but you do have some spots to hunt, some opportunities.

465
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: And let's say you're about to head in to hunt,

466
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: and what you find out, though, is just before your

467
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: big you know swipe you're gonna take it a couple

468
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: of target bucks. You get a brand new deer showing up,

469
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 2: brand new buck you've never seen before, a buck that

470
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: kind of blows everything else out of the water. So

471
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: we're going to another level of deer where all of

472
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: a sudden and he consumes you, and you realize WHOA like,

473
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: this is a deer that I have to drop everything

474
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: else to try to get a crack at him, because

475
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: this would be by far the biggest deer we've ever

476
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: ever heard of out here. Yeah, how does your trail

477
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: camera strategy or placement or checking of cameras change in

478
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: this case where you had stuff everwhere, you had a

479
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: plan in place, You had your places in specific spots

480
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: for reasons, but all of a sudden, new buck in

481
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: a place that maybe you don't have covered terribly Well,

482
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: what do you do now in that situation to figure

483
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: out this brain of deer in a new set of circumstances.

484
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you saying that maybe I just had a

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: random camera in there and all of a sudden I

486
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: got a picture of this mega deer.

487
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say you've got one, yep, good.

488
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. It would depend on the time of day or

489
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: night when I got a picture of that, dear, and

490
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: how I would approach you. I mean, if I fits

491
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: early October and I get a daytime picture of that deer,

492
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, like, holy Colin, I'm close to

493
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: where this geer is betting. If it's a night picture,

494
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: that's the whole different ballgame. Even though I would say

495
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: that time of year, you know, they're not covering a

496
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: ton of ground. That year could be two or three

497
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: miles away from where it's betting. You know, I'm a

498
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: huge uh not as far as how trail cam data goes.

499
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: And you know, I try to take every little piece

500
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: of intel of any photo I get, you know, so

501
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I'll make it. I'll make this the

502
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: hard harder question and say that, you know, I got

503
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: a picture this year at midnight and it looks like

504
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: he's traveling, you know, east to west. I'm thinking, okay,

505
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: because I you know, if it's in my home range,

506
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: even though you know, I don't know every square inch,

507
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: but yet I know I know my woods really really well,

508
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to figure Okay, what was

509
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: on this year's mind? Where was he coming from? Where

510
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: was he going? You know, at midnight, he could be

511
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: doing a lot of different things, but chances are he's

512
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: thinking food more than anything, primary food source. So I'm watching,

513
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: you know, is this gear possibly heading towards a primary

514
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: food source? You know very likely? Or you know, was

515
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: that dear heading towards water? But I'm trying to put

516
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: where he's you know, what what was on that deer's mind?

517
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: Where was he going? And especially the same thing, maybe

518
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: where he was coming from the direction of travel, Uh

519
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: is huge for me, and as well as too is

520
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: maybe paying attention to the weather, the upcoming weather and

521
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 3: what that was going to be. A lot of times,

522
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, in a wind shift or weather front, that

523
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 3: gear may go on a little even a little excursion

524
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: during a weather you know, big weather front that time

525
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: of year too. But I'm just basically trying to get

526
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: as much information out of that trail camp photo as

527
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: I possibly can, and then I will start to make

528
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 3: up a game plan from there. If you want to

529
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: add to that question a little bit, you know, it

530
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: might it might be better. But like I said, I

531
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: take every photo. You know, I'm not going to say

532
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 3: little Bucks and does. But anytime I get a big

533
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: deer on camera, night day, it doesn't matter. I'm taking

534
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: information from that and I'm trying to think what that

535
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: deer was doing and where that deer was coming from.

536
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so you get this photo, you analyze that, You're

537
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: asking yourself all those questions the next day or the

538
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: next chance you get when you have the right circumstances

539
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: to go in there, are you going to do anything

540
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: to try to put more pieces of the puzzle together?

541
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: Like will you go and add a bunch of new

542
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: cameras into that zone to complete the picture, or will

543
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: you go do some additional on the ground scouting in

544
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: that zone to try to learn more? Like is there

545
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: anything like that that you'll do next?

546
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the you know, biggest individual deer that I've

547
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: ever hunted, I've always clustered cameras in those areas. What

548
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: I found is, you know, especially in the big woods,

549
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: it's not like these deer on the same path every day. However,

550
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, there's these little little zones of movement that

551
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: you you know that you're going to find and taken

552
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: advantage of, especially closer to daytime hours and early October.

553
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: You know, you might hear a lot of people talk

554
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: about hotting food sources, but where I'm from, it's all,

555
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: you know, basically betting, you know, getting as close to

556
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: that bet as you possibly can. Like I don't find

557
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: bucks in the daytime unless I'm close to betting, So

558
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: I'd be clustering cameras, you know, around where I think

559
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: that deer is betting. But I'd also be real careful

560
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: on checking them too. When I cluster cameras, I'm usually

561
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: also trying to bank off of you know, I said

562
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: it like this and to other people other podcasts look

563
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: at it like how a baseball defense or baseball field

564
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: is set up. You got left right, center field, you

565
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: got the infield, and then you got you know, home plate.

566
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to be using cameras and focusing more these

567
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: camera checks, like in the outfield of the field versus

568
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: home plate. I may sneak a camera into where I

569
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: think I'm going to kill that deer, and that most

570
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: of that data may be more for the fact that

571
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: if I don't kill that deer this year, I'm going

572
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: to learn a lot from that spot. But I try

573
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: to back off on checking cameras and you know, in

574
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: spots I don't want to put a lot of intrusion

575
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: and that you know, want to have less impact on

576
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: and I try to have more of you know, these

577
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 3: these safer intel areas that maybe that deer's coming in

578
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: at night, but yet I'm still not that far from

579
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: where he's betting. You know, I would say, like left,

580
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: right and center field, I'd be trying to play those

581
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: outer cameras and then based off what I'm seeing on those,

582
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm trying to bank off of. Okay, can I get

583
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: a better idea where this deer is coming from a

584
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: direction to travel and those things, And a lot of

585
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: times if I see what I want on the outside

586
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: edge of cluster of cameras, I'll dive in towards home plate,

587
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: you know, make a move on them.

588
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: All right, So two follow ups. Number One, when you're

589
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: going to go in season to add new cameras or

590
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: to check cameras, are you waiting for any particular conditions?

591
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: So what's what needs to be present, either weather wise

592
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: or anything like that, time of day whatever to go

593
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: in and actually do something like that, especially if you're

594
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: going to push in tighter closer to home plate. And

595
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: then part two would be for the folks who aren't

596
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: familiar with your typical trail camera set up, we should

597
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: probably just cover that off too, Like what are you

598
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: usually putting these cameras on? Talk to me about how

599
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: you're doing that and in a way that you think

600
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: gets to the right intel without you know, spooking deer.

601
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, most of my inventory comes from creek bottoms

602
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: because there's hardly any buck betting here in creek bottoms.

603
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's the lowest elevation. Like I said, most

604
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: of our bucks are bedding in high elevation, so mostly

605
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: all that activity outside of the rut is at night.

606
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: So that's where I get a lot of my inventory.

607
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: Especially creek bottoms generally have the main water source. It's

608
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: a big congregation socializing area. So you know, usually in

609
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: a good creek bottom, you're gonna have some really good

610
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: primary scrapes down there that you can get some really

611
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: good inventory and pretty decent intel. Also, like you know, say,

612
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: like it's early October, you know probably a lot of

613
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: times too about you know, eight nine o'clock, mature buck

614
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: will work its way down in that bottom and if

615
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: you can find where you got trails coming off hillsides

616
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: and mountains, and you can start to get an idea

617
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: where that deer is coming from, you know, just off

618
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 3: of the you know how he's entering that scrape or

619
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: walking that trail. So that's where a lot of my

620
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: my scouting is or checking cameras. Most of it's done

621
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: in the creek bottoms because like I said, I have

622
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: very little impact. But then I'm also I also got

623
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: cameras further up towards betting, and that's going to be

624
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: also based on what I'm seeing, you know, down in

625
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: those creek bottoms. If I'm seeing you know, where this

626
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: huge buck is, you know, hitting this primary scrape down

627
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: in this particular spot in this creek bottom three four

628
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: times a week, coming from this same trail every night.

629
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to know what that ridge is like,

630
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: you know that that he's coming on. I'm going to

631
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: know you know where if there may be another secondary

632
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: food source he's hitting, you know, that might be where

633
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to put a camera midway up. I may

634
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: hunt that deer midway up or you know especially I'm

635
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: going to very likely know where that deer's betting. But

636
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: just because we're talking about you're talking about areas that

637
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: I know like the back of my hand. But I

638
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: would be, like I said, be putting a lot of

639
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: cameras down in creek bottoms where i'd have less intrusion.

640
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: But then when I start to see something consistent, then

641
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: I start working my way up up towards betting further

642
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: based off what I'm seeing on the cameras.

643
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that baseball diamond shape for the way

644
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: you're spreading your cameras. I was kind of envisioning that

645
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: as being like a horizontal baseball diamond and like you're

646
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: working your way across mountains, But it kind of sounds

647
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: like maybe it's an upside down? Is it actually that?

648
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: Usually home plate is like high up the mountain where

649
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: they're bedding, and then it's and then it widens out

650
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: going down exactly.

651
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: Yep, because I sometimes at backfires because home plate is

652
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: more based on my prediction.

653
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: However, sometimes too, I've got history with a deer where

654
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: I really am confident I figured out where he's betting,

655
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: but I keep that, you know, I'll keep one camera

656
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: up in near betting anyways, but those other cameras further

657
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: out towards heading down the ridge and you know, down

658
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: towards the bottom. That's where I can really get a

659
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: lot of inventory and intel and have less impact. I'm

660
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: you know what that deer. Honestly, some people might disagree,

661
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: but deer mature boxing I bet you would agree. They

662
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: don't mind human scent and human activity in those nighttime

663
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: areas because they know humans aren't in there at You know,

664
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: they they have those areas where they want to feel

665
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: more secure and that you know, further up into in

666
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: their betting areas. Those are the areas you got to

667
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: be more cautious about. But further away where I have

668
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: these other cameras that I'm getting intel from. That it

669
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: works out perfect that way, because I can, I can

670
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: be a little bit more messy. And you know that

671
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: deer doesn't doesn't even realize that I'm using all those

672
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: cameras to zero in on them. But yet, you know,

673
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: I'm not going in those those core areas or those

674
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, those hot betting areas. I'm basing everything, you know,

675
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: off of those cameras further back. If that makes sense.

676
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's let's jump let's pivot a little bit here.

677
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: I might come back to cameras because You've got a

678
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 2: lot of interesting ideas on the camera front. But let's

679
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: let's shift a little bit, keep you on your toes.

680
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: Let's let's imagine you're hunting late October, not like the

681
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: very end of it, but let's say somewhere between, like

682
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: the twentieth and the twenty fifth, Okay, and you're hunting

683
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: close to one of these buck bedrooms. You're you're pushing

684
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: closer to home plate, and you go in for a hunt.

685
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: You're all set up, things are looking great, conditions are good.

686
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: Last fifteen minutes of daylight. The buck shows up, but

687
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: he's downwind of view and you see him wind you

688
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: and turn tail and take off the other direction.

689
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: Yep.

690
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: What do you do with that situation? From there? Are

691
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: you going to try to keep hunting that buck? Do

692
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: you give up on him and go somewhere else the

693
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: next couple of days? You know, what's what's your thought

694
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: process and plan for the coming days after that?

695
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: No, I'd absolutely hunt that buck again, very likely in

696
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: that general area. However, I would not hunt that deer

697
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: from the same tree. That's any time I find that

698
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: deer catching on to me, even if it's uh, you know,

699
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: other deer that I spook. I'll generally make some slight adjustment,

700
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: try not to hunt the same tree, just for the

701
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: fact that, you know, deer start to recognize pretty quickly

702
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: that they're being hunted, especially on public land. I've even

703
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, I've left tree stands and trees and you know,

704
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: and you can just start to see how And even

705
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 3: in the guiding business as well. We'll have a client,

706
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: you know, hunt a spot two three days in a

707
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: row and start to notice deer skirting around him. But

708
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: I would definitely hunt that deer again, but I wouldn't

709
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: hunt it from the same spot. That deer when he

710
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: comes in next time, We'll probably take a chance and

711
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: go further out around from where he smelled that human scent.

712
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: You know, I may I'm set up. You know, you

713
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 3: said how many yards away, like fifty or eighty yards

714
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: or something.

715
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I didn't actually specify how far he was,

716
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: but if it.

717
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: Was out of range, I would probably set up closer

718
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: to where that deer was, thinking that deer is gonna

719
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: maybe skirt around a little bit further, especially that time

720
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: of year two right before the rut, you know, it

721
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: gets real crazy and they start ranging I'm willing to

722
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: gamble a little bit more because that deer may not

723
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: be patternable much longer. So you know, I would gamble,

724
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: but I would probably hunt that deer from a different tree.

725
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: How soon would you go back in there after? Would

726
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: you go that very next day and make that move?

727
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: I probably would go right back in the next day

728
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: if everything seemed right. Usually that time of year as well. Uh,

729
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: I'm I'm hunting somewhat of a pattern of a buck,

730
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: you know, maybe you know, an active scrape line or

731
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: rub line. Then I'm getting a deer on pretty consistently,

732
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: so it's probably most likely going to be some consistency

733
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: of a pad where I'm like, I can't afford to

734
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: miss out on this, because once again, it's it's not

735
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 3: gonna last.

736
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, speaking of you know, observing deer doing something

737
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: and making adjustments, let's let's run you through one of

738
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: my favorite things to beat myself up over the head with.

739
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: And let's put you into November and you're setting in

740
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: a spot that you don't know super well. Maybe this

741
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: is one of the first times you've hunted in this

742
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: little region, but you feel good about it, like you

743
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: feel like you're in a spot for the right reason,

744
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: and it's the rut. You're waiting for something to come

745
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: cruising through or whatever. And you're sitting there in the morning,

746
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: we'll say an hour or two into your morning sit

747
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: and you see a shooter buck come moving through, but

748
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: he's out of range. And then a half hour later

749
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: you see another buck come through and do the same thing.

750
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: Do you do anything with that intel or do you so?

751
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: Do you do you move or do you stay where

752
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: you're at?

753
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely if when you see in the rut two bucks

754
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: on the same trail, probably nine out of ten times

755
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: there was a dough that they were following. And I've

756
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: made the mistake before, and I tell my clients that too.

757
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: And that's especially why you know we love mobile setups.

758
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: Is if there's very very unlikely chance you're gonna have

759
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: two bucks take the same trail for no reason, there's

760
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: a good chance there's either a hot dough or a

761
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: dough that's getting pretty close to coming into heat that

762
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: they were following that trail. Immediately set up and you

763
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: know somewhere downwind or you know, on a safe spot too,

764
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: you don't want to be set up, you know, ten

765
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: yards off of it. Either, but you'd be amazed how

766
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: many times we've had success doing that, especially that time

767
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: of year. You don't have to see the dough. That

768
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: dough could have came by at four am before you

769
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: got there, but you see something consistent. I also tell

770
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: my clients, and it's the same strategy myself, Like, if

771
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: you see anything consistent, you know, eighty yards out, but

772
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: every deer doing the same thing, multiple deer, I always

773
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: move because generally there's it's not just random, there's a

774
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: reason for that. You you know, you're hunting that spot

775
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: for the first time. You may not realize that you're

776
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: not quite in the zone of how deer use that area.

777
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: You know, you're you're kind of observing that area off

778
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: of that first sit. So any consistencies you see, move

779
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: on to them as fast as you can. Because especially

780
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: where I'm from in the big woods, I mean, a

781
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 3: good stand here isn't a stand you see a deer

782
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 3: from every day anyway. So I mean, if the action's good,

783
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: get on it, well you can, because it may not

784
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: be any good there the next day.

785
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so let's say, to be really specific, let's

786
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: say this happened at you know, eight thirty in the

787
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 2: morning when you saw that second buck come through, was say,

788
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: would you literally move, like as soon as that buck

789
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: gets out of site or would you wait till midday

790
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: when stuff's slowing down and you feel like there shouldn't

791
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: be as many deer on their feet and then tear

792
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: down and reset up. How quickly do you want to

793
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: make that change?

794
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: As soon as that buck's out of sight is when

795
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: I would move. I mean, I would be real careful, listen,

796
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: watch really good. I might even glass, you know, all

797
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: around me, just to make sure nothing's coming.

798
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you know, if it is a

799
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: hot dough, it could be a minute or two or

800
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: I mean, God knows when something is when it especially

801
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: you know once again, and you know, because I relate

802
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: to a lot to what we're talking about, big woods

803
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: and you know, lower deer densities, less doughs.

804
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: You know, you might have five or six dos in

805
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: a square mile and one of those doughs comes into heat.

806
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: Every buck in that area is most likely going to know.

807
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: So you want to get on that hot route as

808
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 3: soon as you can. You can't afford to wait till midday,

809
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: and you know, hope nothing comes, especially in the rut too,

810
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: Like there's just as good of a chance of killing

811
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: buck get noon or two pm in the rout as

812
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: there is, you know, any other time. So I'm going

813
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: to jump on that, you know, that sequence and consistency

814
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: and movement as fast as I can, especially based on

815
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: my own experiences guiding and hunting, like we've had a

816
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: lot of success doing that. I highly recommend it.

817
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So then the next thing that might

818
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: hypothetically happen is going to be another one of those

819
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: head scratchers or get you stuck there spinning your wheels,

820
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: which is you go, you tear down your set, you

821
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: move to this new area, and you get to within

822
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: the you know spot you think you want to be,

823
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: and you're stuck trying to pick the right tree. And

824
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: let's say there is a there's a tree that is

825
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: in range, and it's gonna set up nicely for you

826
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: as far as giving you a good easy shot to

827
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: that trail that you saw those two bucks coming through.

828
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: Problem with it, though, is that there's a there's two

829
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: things wrong with this tree. There is a little bit

830
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: of a trail downwind of it, so there's like a

831
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: secondary trail kind of downwind. See, you've got like a

832
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: chance that maybe you know, you're going to have deer

833
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: come down win. The second thing wrong with it is

834
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: that it is a bean pole, so it's like straight

835
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: up there's almost no cover. You might be left out

836
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: to dry up there. So you could pick the spot

837
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: that's like the perfect location for the tree as far

838
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: as being giving the easy shot, but you're not gonna

839
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: have good cover and there's a chance that maybe there

840
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: might be some other deer passing down wind. Or you

841
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: can go and you can kind of move out from

842
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: that spot, and now you're gonna be forty three forty

843
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: two yards maybe forty four yards some of that ballpark

844
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: away from that main trail you saw. But it's a

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: big oak tree with a bunch of cover on it,

846
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: and now you're downwind of any kind of trail that

847
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: you saw when you were walking through there. So do

848
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: you pick the spot that gives you the slam dunk

849
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: twenty yard shot but it's a little bit riskier for

850
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: those two reasons, or do you say, I want the

851
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: safest tree possible and I'm gonna, you know, hope to

852
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: make this shot work, or call the bucket an extra

853
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 2: ten yards or or something like that.

854
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and about forty yards are a little over. I

855
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: would rather take the safer route just for the fact that,

856
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, I would say most archery hunters as well,

857
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: Like I almost almost feel like, you know, ethical shooting

858
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: is starting to reach out there more than ever. And

859
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not saying that that I

860
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: think everyone should be shooting deer fifty sixty seventy yards.

861
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's to each his own, but you know,

862
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: a forty forty forty five yard shot is very makeable.

863
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: I would set up taking the safer tree with a

864
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: little more cover. I kind of like to stay back anyways,

865
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: just especially for the fact that even even down wind,

866
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: you know, or having the wind in your favor, but

867
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: a deer coming in really close to you, a lot

868
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: of people don't realize that you kind of have like

869
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: a zone of scent scattered all around the base of

870
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: your tree. Anyways, So I like to be thirty forty

871
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: yards back. I just feel a lot safer. I feel

872
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: like there's a lot more room, you know, for to

873
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 3: make less mistakes or for a deer to catch on

874
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: to your mistakes. I'm going to take that that that

875
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: big oak that has to cover forty forty five yards off.

876
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: I'd rather take a little bit further of a shot

877
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: than gamble, you know, being too close and that deer

878
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: catching on to me.

879
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's a that's a fair choice to make.

880
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: I think you pass the test.

881
00:46:47,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 5: Okay, this one.

882
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: You've got a spot you're heading into hunt and it's

883
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: a slam dunk. You feel really strongly about it. You

884
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: have trial camera intel that backs up your location, and

885
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: you're heading in with high hopes. But as you head in,

886
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 2: let's say it was kind of like a wet day

887
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: before maybe, so there's a like soft grown. As you're

888
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: heading in and you're nearing your location, you see fresh

889
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: boot tracks and you find out someone else has been

890
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: somewhere around here. Do you go through with your plan

891
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: or do those fresh boot tracks in your zone make

892
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: you pivot in any kind of way? What do you do?

893
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it would depend if it was just fresh

894
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: boot tracked. You know, in the mind, I'm probably gonna

895
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: gamble and hope that maybe somebody's just passed them through.

896
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 5: You know.

897
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: Another thing where I come from, there's a lot of

898
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: human activity that's even non hunting related, there's a lot

899
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 3: of foresters who's biologists. I mean, you name it. So

900
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: there's a chance that it's not even a hunter. And

901
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: there's so much area anyways, that and I'm I feel

902
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: very confident in a lot of my best spots or

903
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 3: overlook spots that you know, not to brag, but I

904
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: don't think a lot of hunters thinking the same things

905
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: and the same setups as me. Anyways, Now, if Safer

906
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: snow on the ground and I see boot tracks, I

907
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: would literally follow those boot tracks aways. Heck, I might

908
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: even try to catch up with the hunter just to

909
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: see what they're doing in there, you know, are you

910
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: are you setting up somewhere or whatever. I would literally

911
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 3: do that. I would. I would rather, you know, lose

912
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: a little bit of hunting time and just figure out

913
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 3: what this this hunter is doing then you know, risk anything,

914
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: But it would it would depend on different scenarios. But

915
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: if I just see sign of you know, human activity,

916
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna hunt that area. It's very common situation.

917
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: Okay, what about a slight variation of that. What if

918
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: you're up in the tree waiting on your buck and

919
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: here comes Jill hunter walking by you, and maybe he

920
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: doesn't walk right into where you think the core core is,

921
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: but he walks kind of past you. He waves, then

922
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: he keeps on going and kind of is cruising along

923
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: the side of where you were hoping a good deer

924
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: might come from. Do you bail or do you stick

925
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: it out?

926
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: Usually I'll move, but I might not move real far right.

927
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm real careful about entering my spots with ground scent.

928
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: A lot of times I'm jay hooking or doing something real,

929
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, real out of the ordinary, to make sure

930
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: that if I think deer you know, or working on

931
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: this particular scrape or whatever, you know, I try to

932
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: keep my human send off of where the deer are traveling.

933
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: So you know, if somebody's going through kind of the

934
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: hot route that I'm hunting they just went through, I'm

935
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: definitely gonna get down and adjust to it. But good

936
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: chance I'm not gonna leave the area either. I may,

937
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 3: you know, unless that person you know followed that trail

938
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: and came from that route from to and from one

939
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: hundred some yards this way hundred some yards that way.

940
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: You know, I might then leave the whole situation. But

941
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: chances are I should be able to find somewhere without

942
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: that fresh ground set and you know, I'm pretty quick

943
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: about you know, getting set up. I mean I can

944
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: get out of my train up in another you know,

945
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes at the mouse or whatever. So uh, it's

946
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: really not a huge deal as far as losing time,

947
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: But it's going to be based on where exactly that

948
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: hunter came from and where they went, if they left

949
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: me any room they were adjust or not.

950
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: Okay. So another thing that you've talked a lot about

951
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: in the past that I've that I've really found interesting

952
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: is your you know, really in depth trail camera analyzes

953
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: you've done, where you've you've looked at trends across you know,

954
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: your hundreds of cameras and seeing how different dates and

955
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 2: different weather systems and things have impacted the dear activities

956
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: sand camera. And one of the things I've heard you

957
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 2: mention a lot is just the impact of those cold fronts,

958
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: when those cold weather systems come through the trigger that

959
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: seems to pull for deer. So I'm curious about what

960
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: you would do when you have the opposite situation. For

961
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: a lot of us. This past year, we had a

962
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: hot rut that first, you know, depending where you are

963
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: in the country for a lot of people's the end

964
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: of October, first week of November. You know, I was

965
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 2: stuck with seven straight days of seventy degrees or more.

966
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: So let's say it's that you know, last couple of

967
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: days of October or first you know week of November.

968
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: And let's say this is your you know, let's say

969
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: you're not guiding and you have time to hunt during

970
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: that week and you're stuck with that weather forecast. Does

971
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: that change your hunting strategy in any kind of way?

972
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: If so, how If not?

973
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah, it absolutely does it the whole rot.

974
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: Like you know, people, some people assume that maybe the

975
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: way I explained it is that these deer don't at all,

976
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: and that's definitely not the case. Even you know, seventy

977
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: or degree day or warmer, they're still rutting going on.

978
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 3: You know, you can still have success. It's just you know,

979
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: the chances are a little slimmer when a buck's moving

980
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 3: a lot less. There's a couple of different, different, you know,

981
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: scenarios that seem to work in warm weather. Here people

982
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: would be surprised. But you know this is even based

983
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: some off trail camera observations too. Is real hot days

984
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: like we're finding creek bottoms or really good you know,

985
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: cruising areas are creek bottoms are you know, usually prettyly

986
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 3: heavily loaded with like a lot of evergreen and hemlocks,

987
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: so it's generally cooler down there. Plus, got a fact

988
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 3: you're in that you know, when bucks are are rutting

989
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: hard and they got those winter coats on, you know,

990
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: they're thirsty. I would you know, we're definitely focusing more

991
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: around creek bottoms on those hot days for guiding myself.

992
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: I'd be keeping that in mind. Another thing, too, is

993
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 3: it still seems like there's activity close to betting, which

994
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: is pretty normal. Seems like a lot of bucks like

995
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: to you know, bed maybe just two three hundred yards

996
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: at the most, or more like maybe one hundred yards

997
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: downwind of dough is dough betting. I'd be focusing more

998
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: around those dough betting areas. You know, on those warmer days,

999
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: you just you can't expect it to be like that,

1000
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: that hot all day action. You know, it's a sluggish

1001
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: movement on those warm days. You gotta be a little

1002
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: bit more patient. But you can still have success. I

1003
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: mean we've I'm not going to say we have our

1004
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: best success those days and certainly don't get as excited.

1005
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: But you know, we got paying clients that come in

1006
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: and they can't predict what the weather is going to

1007
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: be a year in advance when they book their hunt.

1008
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: So we've had to come up with ways to still

1009
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: be successful. And like I said, you can still have success,

1010
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, you just got to either set up around

1011
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: betting or like I said, those creek bottoms with a

1012
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: good water source. That's and we've really found to be

1013
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: really good in those hot days during the run.

1014
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking of those kind of sluggish movement days

1015
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: during the rut, like you kind of mentioned, even when

1016
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: conditions are pretty good, it seems like you can certainly

1017
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: have these like great periods of movement and then like

1018
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: really slow days during the run, even though you would think, like, oh,

1019
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: it's the rud it should be incredible. At least, my

1020
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: experience has often been that there'll be these periods of

1021
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: where it's dead, it's either hot, or it's not. So

1022
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you are in a situation where it's

1023
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: you know, November seventh or eighth, one of those days

1024
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: that a lot of people say is like the best

1025
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: day of the whole hunting season for a lot of people.

1026
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: And you've sat in a location for three days in

1027
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: a row, and I've heard you talk about your three

1028
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: day rule. So if that's something you still do, I

1029
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: would be interested in you explaining that a little bit

1030
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: for folks. But let's say you've done your three day rule.

1031
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: You've sat for three days in the spot. That should

1032
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: be amazing. You feel really confident, but it's been dead.

1033
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: Do you you know, how do you piv it based

1034
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: on that? Or do you for some reason stick it

1035
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: out longer?

1036
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I would never you know, three days of

1037
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 3: dead movement. You know, I'm looking for something else. I'm

1038
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 3: probably also looking for a completely different type of setup.

1039
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: You know, maybe I was in a creek bottom. Now

1040
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna maybe set up closer to some bedding or

1041
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 3: a food source, just based on there's probably a good

1042
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: chance too that you know, something changed as well as

1043
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: you know, within their environment. A lot of times too,

1044
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: what I'll do is grid search for a hot dough too.

1045
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: It may not even be you know, trailcam picks that

1046
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: time of year, but if you can get on a

1047
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: hot dough you know around that and that's a pretty

1048
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 3: good period for those coming in to heat that's sixth, seventh,

1049
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: and eighth, just you know, just trying to be in

1050
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 3: that zone. That's That's another thing that happens that time

1051
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: of year is you might see a little bit las

1052
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 3: cruise and at least up my way around that time period.

1053
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: And it's all centralized based on you know, where that

1054
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: that do in that areas you know, coming into heat,

1055
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: that's where all the bucks are going to be. Like

1056
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 3: I said, but just at least do something different, you know, whatever,

1057
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: you know it may be. You know, you said, even

1058
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 3: if it was a prime you know, more of a

1059
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 3: prime weather day and you know, things weren't things still

1060
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: weren't working right. There's a good chance that you know,

1061
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: you just don't have have it figured out. You know,

1062
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: maybe uh, the deer were eating white oaks and they're

1063
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: starting to become pretty thin. Now they're switching the red oaks,

1064
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: or you know, just do something completely different. But definitely,

1065
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: after three days of nothing, I totally recommend it's not

1066
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: just you know, eventually maybe something's going to come through,

1067
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: but you know, you've put a lot of humans, do

1068
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: a lot of intrusion into that particular spot. It's time

1069
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: to to readjust and come up with a new game plan.

1070
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 2: Now, if it had been just one day or two days, though,

1071
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: would you do you do you still strictly follow that

1072
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 2: three day rule?

1073
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 3: No, not always three days. You know sometimes too, you know,

1074
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: I might hunt us plan to hunt a spot for

1075
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: two days because say it's like a travel corridor, cruising area,

1076
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: and I got two real good prime weather days. Like

1077
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: I love to hunt travel corridors, maybe a pinch point

1078
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 3: or you know, just a past a pack crew, a

1079
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: past cruising route I've had good experience on. But those

1080
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: routes only seem to be used on those prime days.

1081
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: You know, doesn't always matter whether it's November first or

1082
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: the fifteenth. But it just seems like our dearm based

1083
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: on a lot of my research, Like you know, you

1084
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 3: get what I call thirty thirty weather days when you

1085
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: got at least high tempts in the thirties or better

1086
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: or lower I should say, and low times thirty two

1087
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 3: or lower. You know, those those travel corridors really really

1088
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: light up. And you can even you know, you can

1089
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: have a camera on a you know, on a travel

1090
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: corridor that you know that has a scrape or maybe

1091
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: even a signpost Roub and it's been pretty dead this year,

1092
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: but most likely you haven't had those prime weather days

1093
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: when these bucks are making those big johnts. I hunt

1094
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 3: those spots based more on past experiences versus even fresh intel.

1095
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: But sometimes, if you know, if I'm seeing that we

1096
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: only got a couple good, you know, prime days of weather,

1097
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm only gonna hunt that spot twice because we got

1098
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: that warm front coming up. These bucks are gonna get

1099
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: bogged down, and I'm gonna hunt more warmer weather setups,

1100
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: you know. So a lot of it's based on really

1101
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: a lot of our hunting is based on weather, especially

1102
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 3: temperature as well.

1103
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: That brings to mind another situation. I feel like a

1104
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 2: lot of the weather conversation helps inform people like when

1105
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: they make their strikes or how aggressive they get with

1106
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: their strikes. Right, there's some folks that will play it

1107
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: really conservatively until you get that good cold weather, then

1108
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: you make a strike you know, deep into the kill zone,

1109
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: and then when it's hotter days, they're going to play

1110
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: it more conservatively. I'm curious though, one of the things

1111
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: that can shift someone's strategy or perspective would be if

1112
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: they knew they weren't the only ones hunting that buck.

1113
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: I think this can be a situation where, you know,

1114
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: folks share a private property to other guys, or if

1115
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: they hunt in a place where there's a lot of

1116
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: hunting pressure, or they hunting public land where it's fair

1117
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: game for everyone. What happens if you've got, you know,

1118
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: a target buck that you're really really interested in, it's

1119
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: on public land, and you've got a plan and you're

1120
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: after him, but then you bump into some other guys

1121
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: at the trailhead and they show you pictures and like, yeah, man,

1122
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm after this deer. And you find out that there's

1123
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: like a guy or two in the zone that's kind

1124
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: of on the same deer. What do you do in

1125
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: that situation? Does that change your strategy? Does that change

1126
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: how aggressive you are or anything at all?

1127
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: I Mean, the good thing is, as I've ran into

1128
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: these guys and a lot of times I may not

1129
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: jump right out and tell them or I'm hunting, but

1130
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: I might. What I'll say is, you know, I just

1131
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: don't want to get your guy's way. I try to

1132
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 3: play dumb. Although if it's a local guy not bragging,

1133
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: but he probably knows. Steve shirt's hunting that deer too,

1134
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: But I try to play a little dumb and be like,

1135
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, not real, you know, familiar with this area. Guys.

1136
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that you know I'm

1137
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: not hunting where you're at, and try to figure out

1138
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: what they're doing and you know where they're going, and

1139
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: as long as they're doing something different than me, I'm

1140
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 3: going to hunt that deer definitely. I mean, I'll say,

1141
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the deer I have on camera,

1142
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: you know, they're not secrets. It's public land. A lot

1143
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: of other people have these deer on camera too. But

1144
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: I'm always trying to figure out, you know what, how

1145
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: these other people are hunting these deer and you know,

1146
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: and go from there. And that's why early on I

1147
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: was big about, you know, finding those harder to access

1148
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: areas a little bit more remote. It doesn't mean that

1149
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: these deer secrets, but you know, a lot of these

1150
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: people always or a lot of people say, you know, how, Steve,

1151
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 3: how do you get some a daytime? That's because I'm

1152
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: finding deer and I'm learning, dear, you know in these

1153
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: areas that nobody's really going. I mean, these bucks, you

1154
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: know in the middle of the night. They may go

1155
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: several miles from their core area. And a lot of

1156
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: these people are getting these bucks at midnight, one two

1157
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 3: in the morning, and then they're going in the woods,

1158
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, five hundred yards thinking that bucks there and

1159
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: they have no clue. They're two to three miles off. So,

1160
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: you know, just trying to figure out what everyone else

1161
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 3: is doing, you know, and staying away from them, because

1162
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: if they have a pattern to what they're doing, the

1163
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: mature deer has already got them figured out. He'll go

1164
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: in that area at night and he's not going to

1165
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: be bothered at all, but he's going to stay back,

1166
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: you know, quite a way where nobody else has been going,

1167
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: and that's going to be the place where I plan

1168
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: to hunt.

1169
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: Okay, another camera situation, and this one just kind of

1170
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: popped in my mind. But it's a thing that you

1171
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: hear about every once in a while. I've I've kind

1172
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: of had this kind of thing happen where you've got

1173
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: to buck that you're kind of closing in on and

1174
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: you're getting daylight pictures of him, but every time you

1175
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: go in to hunt, you don't see him, and then

1176
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: the next day you're not in their hunting, and then

1177
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: he daylights and the daylights the next day, and then

1178
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: you check your camera four days later or you got

1179
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: to sell cameras or whatever it is, and you say, oh, shoot,

1180
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: he was daylighting, and then he go in and hunt

1181
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: him again, and then you don't see him. But then

1182
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: the next day, when you're not there, he's daylighting. So

1183
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: you get a buck that's day lighting when you're not there,

1184
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: but you can't seem to get on him when you're there.

1185
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: Do you what do you do in that situation? Do

1186
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: you think that it's you? Do you think it's just

1187
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: luck or happenstance that he happens to just not be

1188
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: shown up on the right days and you just need

1189
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: to be there more. How do you approach that?

1190
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: I would I would go into that thinking that deer

1191
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: was on to me. I wouldn't give up on the deer. I,

1192
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, maybe set up a couple hundred yards differently.

1193
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: This is something too. I like the question because I've

1194
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: had it happened to me several times. It's it starts

1195
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 3: to make sense when every time you're not there, that

1196
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 3: deer's showing up or pretty consistently, And I think that

1197
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: happens a lot. You know, you think you might know

1198
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: where that deer's betting, and he might also know where

1199
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: your stand is, and he's just bedding down wind to

1200
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: that every time. He may adjust every time too, just

1201
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: to make sure he's down wind to that spot. You know,

1202
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: it could easily happen, especially if you've went in there

1203
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 3: pretty often and you know you're you're checking that camera

1204
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: quite often. He's got a pretty good idea that Okay,

1205
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: there's a hunter, there's there's someone coming in here fairly often,

1206
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: and I need to pay attention to this. But the

1207
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 3: good thing is that deer's sticking around. He hasn't disappeared,

1208
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: and you just got to go in there and surprise

1209
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: him once again. That's why you know I love mobile

1210
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: hunting and not so much of a fixed stand person.

1211
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: Is you want to keep these deer, especially in mature bucks.

1212
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: You want to keep them guessing to what you're doing

1213
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: as well. Like I said, I don't think you're going

1214
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: to have to leave that entire area one hundred two

1215
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 3: three hundred yards of an adjustment. I think that deer

1216
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: would be surprised, and I if I'm continuing to get

1217
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 3: pictures of that deer in fact that camera. If that

1218
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: deer keeps coming to that camera, I can keep checking

1219
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: it every few days too. But then I would bank

1220
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: off of what I'm seeing that deer do if he

1221
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: is coming from the same direction, or if there's like

1222
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: I said before, if there's any bit of consistent knowledge

1223
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: you're getting from a deer on your camera, keep using that,

1224
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: keep basing your next hunt off of those pictures. So

1225
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: I would use that camera as more of an inventory

1226
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 3: or an intel camera, and I'd keep basing my setups

1227
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 3: off of that and keep mixing up my setups too.

1228
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: Even if I went in there another time and I

1229
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: hunted that deer once or twice and didn't see him,

1230
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: I would just keep within that area. But I probably

1231
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't keep hunting the same tree, just keep bouncing around.

1232
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: Sooner or later, I think you're going to get in

1233
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 3: front of him.

1234
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: What if I did this? What if I took all

1235
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: of your trail cameras away and you had zero cameras

1236
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: for this hunting season, how would you kill a buck

1237
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: in that situation? Like, how would your plan change?

1238
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: Well? Can I say that I had cameras in the past,

1239
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: or I've never had cameras.

1240
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: You know, I think I'd be more interested in if

1241
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: you never had camera information, because I kind of want

1242
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: to see, you know, for someone who I'm imagining there's

1243
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: somebody listening right now who maybe only has a couple cameras.

1244
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: They can't afford one hundred and fifty cameras, and so

1245
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: they're thinking, Man, how does Steve get it done in

1246
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: these places? You know, if he didn't have all that information.

1247
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of curious. Let's just go extreme here

1248
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: and say you don't have any and maybe this is

1249
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: a newer place, so you just don't have that historical

1250
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 2: information from them. Yeah, what would you do then?

1251
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it it wouldn't be I mean, I'd

1252
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 3: be depressed, don't get me wrong. I'd hate to not

1253
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: use cameras. But it would also be kind of exciting too,

1254
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 3: just for the fact that I always know what's in

1255
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 3: the area. So it would be like every time i'd

1256
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: be going into a hunt, it'd be like Christmas morning,

1257
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: but I'd use all the same things I'm still using now.

1258
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: Just you know, i'd be still you know if it

1259
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 3: was uh, you know, I guess it depends on what

1260
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: time of year. It would be you know, just similar

1261
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: to the answer I gave you before. If it's early October,

1262
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 3: I'm looking for you know, sign on the end edge

1263
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 3: of betting.

1264
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 5: Uh.

1265
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: If it was more in the rut, I probably focus

1266
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: more where I'm seeing dose and still keeping you know,

1267
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 3: out of out of the way other hunters trying to

1268
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: find more overlooked areas. Uh. You know, still a lot

1269
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: of boots on the ground scouting too. The only thing

1270
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: that you know, those cameras are really doing for me

1271
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: is really teaching me, you know, about individual bucks. But

1272
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 3: you know, I still have decent woodsman skills. I still

1273
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: do a lot of things similar to what a lot

1274
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: of other people are doing that you know, aren't running

1275
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 3: trail cameras. But a lot of it's just based on

1276
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 3: time of the year. But you know, I definitely scowed

1277
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 3: heavily and that's what I would do. A lot of

1278
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 3: boots on the ground stuff, and you know, you can

1279
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: have success without trail cameras for sure.

1280
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: All Right, we're the last phase of the gauntlet, which

1281
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Speaker 2: is the rapid fire questions. Okay, I've got I think

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Speaker 2: five or six quick questions here. I just need like

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Speaker 2: a one word answer. No, explanation allowed, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: end it with one last doozy in which you can

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Speaker 2: explain yourself. Okay, okay, okay, all right, rapid fire begins.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

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Speaker 2: tail with your bow?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: If you can only have one of these tools for

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: the rest of your hunts, for the rest of your life,

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01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: would it be a set of rattling antlers or a

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: grunt tube? Grunt tube expandable or fixed blade? Broadheads?

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Speaker 3: Fixed blade?

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Speaker 2: Should you stop a moving buck before shooting with a bow?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Does the moon matter to dear? Movement?

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Speaker 3: Minimal?

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Speaker 2: Okay? If you could only hunt mornings or evenings this

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: coming season, which one would you take?

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Speaker 3: Can I at least ask what time of year.

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Speaker 2: It's for the whole season? The whole season?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Mornings? Okay, all right. So here's the doozy. Let's say

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Speaker 2: that I rule the world and I have control over

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: your hunting privileges. I'm going to take away your right

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01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: to hunt for the rest of your life unless unless

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Speaker 2: you kill a five and a half year old buck

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Speaker 2: or older this coming season. The problem is, I'm only

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Speaker 2: gonna let you hunt one day and from one location.

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: So you have one day and one stand site in

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Speaker 2: order to kill a five and a half year old

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Speaker 2: buck this year. Tell me the date on the calendar

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Speaker 2: you would pick, and then describe to me in as

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Speaker 2: much detail as possible your best possible hypothetical stand site

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Speaker 2: for this situation for that day.

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Speaker 3: Well, does it have to be a specific date or

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Speaker 3: could it be a time frame with a weather event,

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Speaker 3: or does it just have to be a certain date.

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Speaker 2: I would say pick a date, but I'll let you

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Speaker 2: be a little loose with the facts. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to say, but I want this weather, I'll give

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Speaker 2: that to you because I don't want to be too mean, because.

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Speaker 3: I do have I like to hunt individual deer, like

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: from October fifteenth to close to Halloween before they really

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Speaker 3: you know, break out and range. In fact, I have

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Speaker 3: several deers several spots picked from that October fifteenth, you know,

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Speaker 3: towards end of October period, like you know, but a

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Speaker 3: lot of that's gonna be based on weather fronts. But

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Speaker 3: the first first weather front we get around mid October,

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Speaker 3: I'll explain a couple of these spots. Uh, they're they're

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Speaker 3: pretty close to buck betting. They're they're all on active scrapes,

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Speaker 3: like I mentioned before on the fringes of buck betting. Uh,

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Speaker 3: it's that's a special time of year when I mean

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01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 3: I call it like scrape season. I'd say that that

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Speaker 3: mid to late October period. There's probably no other time

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Speaker 3: throughout three hundred and sixty five days a year that

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Speaker 3: bucks are working scrapes as much. And you can you

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Speaker 3: can kind of pattern bucks on these scrapes. I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying they're hitting the same scrape every day. That's when

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01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: I love to use my three day strategy. The most

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: you'll have. You know, you'll have scrapes that a buck's

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01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 3: coming to maybe two to three times a week in

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01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 3: the daylight, and those are the spots that I'm hunting,

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 3: you know, maybe three afternoons in a row based on

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01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing on those cameras. If I'm seeing more

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 3: consistency in the morning or evening, I'll base whether I'm

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: gonna hunt morning or evening on that year, and I'll

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Speaker 3: give it three sits in a row. Then I move

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: on to a different gear. But most of my hunting,

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: I will say, is based on weather fronts, you know,

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 3: cold fronts especially. I have you know those I don't

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: want to say magical spots, but some really good spots

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Speaker 3: that I have a lot of confidence in. But instead

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: of you know, getting excited and jumping the gun too quick,

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: I wait till the time's right, and you know, in

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01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 3: that I've had most of my success. A lot of

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: people are surprised, But from like October eighteenth to Halloween

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Speaker 3: is when I've killed most of my bucks. It and

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Speaker 3: it's mainly using that strategy, incorporating prime weather, you know,

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Speaker 3: on these scrapes and in these on the into these

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Speaker 3: betting areas, like that's just been a deadly tactic for me.

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Speaker 3: The biggest thing is some years you don't get those

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Speaker 3: weather fronts, and you know, you that's what's tough being

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Speaker 3: you know a fair weather hunter is you know, it's

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Speaker 3: you just you never know. Every year is going to

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: be different. You know, it's funny the year before last

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Speaker 3: and you know, twenty twenty one, our best stretch of

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Speaker 3: activity was November first to like the sixth, twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: That was the absolute worst time. So you just from

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Speaker 3: one year to the next, you don't know. And that

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 3: was mainly based on weathers. So but that's what I

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01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 3: would be doing. I. In fact, I was just scouting

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Speaker 3: the other day what I've been going in like this

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Speaker 3: time of year July August, and because I leave cameras

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Speaker 3: at these spots year round just for the most part,

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 3: so these bucks are used to the camera as well.

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Speaker 3: And I'll go in about this time of year and

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Speaker 3: just clear some brush and just make sure everything's clear

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 3: because about this time years when everything in the woods

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Speaker 3: is reached like maximum growth, and you'd be surprised. I

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 3: went to cameras the other day and they're just completely

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01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 3: covered up with the brush and stuff. But I've already

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: got all my spots pretty much set up for that

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Speaker 3: time period and now it's just a waiting game and

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Speaker 3: pray the weather gods are going to work with me

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Speaker 3: this October. Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, if that was the case and I had your

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Speaker 2: hunting privileges on the line, I would be crossing all

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Speaker 2: my fingers and toes for you. And with that, Steve,

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Speaker 2: you made it through the gauntlet. Thanks for doing that.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. Before I let you go, though, can

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: you give folks a quick rundown of where they can

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: follow along with anything you've got going on how they

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: can contact you? About the Guide Service anything else like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me on social media Facebook or Instagram.

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: You might be able to see on my shirt here

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: it's Shirks Guide Service strk Apostrops. I don't have a

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01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 3: website anymore. I just it was, you know, it's one

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01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 3: of those things. I never thought it was going to

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 3: be what it is, and I was getting so many

1404
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: phone calls that I just had to find a way

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 3: to cut back. However, this year, I do still have

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: some spots. I don't know when you're gonna air this,

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01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 3: but we do have a few spots, a few openings

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 3: this coming season. So if someone's interested in doing, you know,

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 3: a mountain buck hunt here in northwestern Pa on public land,

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,480
Speaker 3: can definitely get a hold of me on Facebook or Instagram.

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01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 3: And honestly, thanks so much for having me. I was

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01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 3: honored to get to chat with you. I've been following

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 3: you for years, so this was one of my I

1414
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: would say, one a little more challenging podcasts, but probably

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01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 3: the most fun and I'd be willing to do it

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 3: any other time to say the least awesome.

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01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 2: Man, Well, hey, right back at you. We'll definitely have

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01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: to stay in touch and I'll be I'll be keeping

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: tabs this fall. Hopefully you'll be putting another one or

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01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: two in the truck, and I'm sure you will. So

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 2: good luck and thank you, Steve.

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 3: Thank you, good luck to you as well.

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: All right, and that is a wrap. Thank you again

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01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: for showing up for this, listening to this, enjoying this

1425
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: with me. I'm rare to go. I'm actually heading out

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: right now to hang some trail cameras and do some

1427
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: scouting on a new piece. So exciting times all around.

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: I will leave you with one more heads up. After

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: I finished my conversation with Steve, he did mention that

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 2: he has a couple more openings available with Shirk's Guide

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 2: Service this coming fall in that mid November time period.

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: That's the only slot that's open right now. Get a

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 2: hold of him through Facebook, like he mentioned, and you

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: might be able to get one of the last couple

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: spots available with Shirk's Guide Service. As he heard today,

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: Steve is a wealth of information. He's gonna teach you

1437
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: some great stuff. He's going to put you in a

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: place where you'll have some great opportunities, and I imagine

1439
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: it can be a whole lot of fun too. So

1440
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: give Steve a shout, and in the meantime, best to

1441
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: luck out there. If you were doing some summer scouting,

1442
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: some summer preps and habitat work, whatever it is, get

1443
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: it done now because the season is just around the

1444
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: corner and I cannot wait. So until then, thank you

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01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: and stay wired to hunt.