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Speaker 2: As the games become more and more competitive, the stakes

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Speaker 1: As a team USA Basketball, I like it. I love it,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna continue our nineties nostalgia conversation with a true

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Speaker 2: NBA historian, author Pete Brauto on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is my.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, driving spinning batch got it with five?

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Speaker 3: Who's gonna try another three?

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Speaker 1: Mister, look god, James, to be honest with the tail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh well yeah, it's it's a hot day here

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Speaker 2: One. Oh, but I guess I'm on the West coast. Jack,

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Speaker 2: you are on the East Coast and holding our day. Pete,

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Speaker 2: you're also on the East coast. You are the author

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Speaker 2: from hangtime to prime time, and what a great time

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Speaker 2: to have you on.

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Speaker 1: As we take a look.

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Speaker 2: Back at some of some players that we I feel

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Speaker 2: but like I said, welcome to the show. Thank you

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Speaker 1: How are you? We were wondering if we could have

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Speaker 4: That you thank you, no, thanks for having me back. Guys.

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Speaker 2: So what about how are you looking at Team USA

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Speaker 1: and we're back. We're back, and Australia has been eliminated.

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Speaker 5: It's the eligibility rules you have putting this team together. Well,

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Speaker 4: has been the name that's coming.

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Speaker 1: Jo Johnson has been so good. Yeah, three on three who.

434
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: Amazing? So fun amazing.

435
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you could easily like create some

436
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of like development league where it's like the old

437
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: like and one type players are like, let's because I

438
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: would that would just be such a show. But but

439
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: that didn't really even look like what was winning in three?

440
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: It was slow and people cutting and yeah.

441
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: In my mind, it's just straight up like clear out

442
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: the clear out the lane every time, Like.

443
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, just doing one on one and then shooter. I

444
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: mean it feels like there are some like the the

445
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: amount of three point shooting is very inconsistent and like

446
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: sometimes like there were some games where the US took

447
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: like six threes total, which are twos in this but

448
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: the reason like it took the NBA two and a

449
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: half decades to realize, Wow, threes are mathematically worth so

450
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: many more points than twos. We should like change the

451
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: way we run our offenses to take that into account.

452
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: Two is even more than one, Like it's double, you know,

453
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: like mathematically. And I did crunch the numbers on this,

454
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: and I spent a lot of time on this is

455
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: more than one. It's actually yeah, I did run the

456
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: numbers by Terrence Howard and Helogy.

457
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: Two.

458
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: It's so if you just have Kyrie and shooting, and

459
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: then you know people who are able to defend, I

460
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: don't know, so like a big who can shoot.

461
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: Since to me, you get a point guard, you get

462
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 4: a really good outside you do you get a big

463
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: man or yeah, you get it, you get a center. Yeah,

464
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean they just thinking now like you probably do

465
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: that with recently retired NBA players.

466
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just and but I don't know.

467
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I again, I'm this, this sounds great in

468
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 4: my mind, but again, you know, I'm a dumb ass.

469
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: So this is probably some of the probably also ready

470
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 4: to refute this, but like, I don't know, if you

471
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: if you got like let's say Kyle Korver and Dwight

472
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: Howard from whatever lead He's roam around and and and

473
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, let's say, let's just say rayper Austin

474
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 4: to go back.

475
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, does that team do well?

476
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: Does that team, yeah, right, do better than seventh of eight? Probably?

477
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I think I think maybe maybe Jamal Crawford is also

478
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: an idea that was thrown out by a super producer, Jabari,

479
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: that I really liked, and I'm a little concerned that

480
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't actually involved. I think Jamal Crawford Joe Johnson like,

481
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: where what are we doing here? Guys?

482
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

483
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: It was Why were they not on this team?

484
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

485
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: Just a big three to just get the three? Well,

486
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: the big thing's run right now, right, so you can't

487
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: really do that.

488
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: You can't have the big three?

489
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it feels like it would be worth it, like,

490
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: find a way to make it worth their while? All right,

491
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: we should get to the continuation of our Summer of

492
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: nineties hoops conversation. I'm a big Patrick Ewing fan. Uh

493
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: So it's Ewing, it's Petrovitch, and it is the guy

494
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: who was referring to up top, back to the basket magician,

495
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: our vetus, Sibonis, he is our vetus, he is Sibonis,

496
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: he is your desire. I but Ewing has definitely become

497
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: underrated over the years because he's just one of those

498
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: guys who like never quite got there in terms of

499
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: the title, but was so great and like had his

500
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: peak was blocking everything was you know, a bucket was

501
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: just so good on the on the glass, just unbelievable.

502
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: You know.

503
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think if he hadn't been injured in

504
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: ninety nine, do you think they win the title?

505
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 4: Me? No, I don't think they do. I think I

506
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: think I mean again, you know that that rum was

507
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: was incredible and it was it was it was led

508
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: by you know, spree Well and Canby. You know, Youing

509
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 4: at that point was fourteen years into his career and

510
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: you know had played heavy, heavy minutes you know, the

511
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: majority of the of of that time. You know, he

512
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: was not the Patrick Ewing of nineteen eighty nine or

513
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: even nineteen ninety five. He was. He was a good center,

514
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 4: but he was I don't think he was going to

515
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: hold up against David Robinson and Tim Duncan in the

516
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: nine finals.

517
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: And when he got hurt is when they went on

518
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: the run, so exactly.

519
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah it was. And that's I think what

520
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: ultimately led the Knicks to say to themselves like, we

521
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: really don't need yeah, Patrick Ewing uh anymore, which was

522
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: a whole drama you know when I was you know,

523
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: when I was reading the sports pages back in the day.

524
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 4: But you're right, I mean, Ewing was somebody who I

525
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: think as time, as as time has gone on, he's

526
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: become forgotten. I think for a few reasons. A. He

527
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: didn't win a championship. B he became A he came

528
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: during an era of just superstar centers with Shaquille O'Neill

529
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: and Kim Olajuan, David Robinson, Baile won championships and and

530
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 4: Ewing sort of became kind of like the eighties nineties

531
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: version of like you know, Elvid Hayes, just you know

532
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: a player that was you know, you look at him,

533
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: you look at the stats, you put up wonderful stats,

534
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: but he kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But

535
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: it's funny when you look at you Ing now, he

536
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: really was. He was really the beginning of, or rather

537
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: the start of the out of the outside shooting centers.

538
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: I mean there were a few, there was a few

539
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: that were Yeah, there were a.

540
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: Few that were around, like in the seventies, in even

541
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 4: the sixties, but Ewing was really a lot of his

542
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: game was, you know, baseline jumper, top of the circle jumper,

543
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 4: and he had he had great post moves, but he

544
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 4: was he liked to be in the outside. And I

545
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 4: think back then now sort of knock against him was

546
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: that he wasn't really as physical as he should have been,

547
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: kind of like embiad is now where you know, I

548
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: think if you watch him be play, I think he

549
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: kind of favors the outside little too much.

550
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: But Patrick Guan was a great player.

551
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 4: I think I think it was just his misfortune that

552
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: not only did he not want a championship, but he

553
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: didn't for whatever reason. The Knicks front off is Dave Checkets,

554
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: and you know, primarily they never surrounded him with great

555
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: complimentary players. They never really strouded him with with a

556
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: with a great number two player. He never really had,

557
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 4: you know, the way that you know, Steph had Clay,

558
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, Lebron James had Kyrie Irving Patrick who didn't

559
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: really have a terrific number to play, kind of dominicqe

560
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: Wuilgans in Atlanta, you know.

561
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: So, yeah, they drafted Mark Jackson. He won the Rookie

562
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: of the Year, but he was gone pretty quickly, you know,

563
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: he was he was gone pretty quickly.

564
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: And he wasn't like he wasn't like Kyrie Irving. He

565
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: wasn't a guy that he wasn't the kind of player

566
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: that you could depend on to.

567
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Score twenty five was like a bucket. Yeah. Yeah, he

568
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: was just a great great great point guard.

569
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: Great point guard, great player, but again not not you know,

570
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna put up twenty five points a game. And

571
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, the Knicks tried to get Yeling that they

572
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: traded for Rolando Blackman back in ninety two. That didn't

573
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: work out because Rolando Blackman aged about fifteen years in

574
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: the season he was in New York, you know, Charles

575
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: uh when blacking, like like Xavier McDaniel was a little

576
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: you know, pass his problem, and they picked him up

577
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: in ninety one. Charles Smith wasn't who they thought who

578
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: wasn't the premier talent he was gonna they thought that

579
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: the Nicks thought they were going to get. So it

580
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: just never really worked out for Patrick Ewing with getting

581
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: number two. But I you know, again as a Knicks

582
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: fan growing up, and I love Patrick Doning because he

583
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: just he he just always seemed to work so hard.

584
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: And again the image I of Patrick Ewing is him

585
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: part of the free throw line, sweating like he had

586
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: just run two marathons like he was. He was just

587
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: pouring sweat, And I think that further kind of further

588
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: accentuated this whole warrior aspect about him.

589
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: But no, yeah, he was.

590
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: He was a great player.

591
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was awesome.

592
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean like what I mean, And I was

593
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: too young, but like when he was at Georgetown, was

594
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: he known for being as offensive a player as he

595
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: added those dimensions, Because I felt like I remember, like

596
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: at least my childish perception of him was like he

597
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: was an insane defender in college and then then added

598
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: these other and credit to him, like evolved his game

599
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: in a way that you know, obviously makes them.

600
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: As Shaq would.

601
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: Say, one of the greats, which is wild too because

602
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: for me, I always thought, I like, you know, being

603
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: when when Shaq came in the league, I'm like, this

604
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: is what I think is like a dope center. But

605
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: I remember later on Shaq was on NBA TV and

606
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: like got emotional talking about Patrick Ewing, and that's when

607
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: I sort of was like, oh, I'm I'm a child

608
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: or like obviously I have a very one dimensional way

609
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: of looking at, like, you know, judging someone's game, and

610
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: that was like a very interesting I'll just play like

611
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: a quick clip of it because it was sort of

612
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: like one of these things was like, oh wow, like

613
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: Shaq is truly giving this man his flowers. And as

614
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: he always put it, he's like I saw him as

615
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: a great that I was modeling my game after.

616
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: But I had to build on that.

617
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: So yes, that part of that does include destroying him,

618
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: but that's just my spirit as a competitor, not because

619
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: I have no respect for him. You are right, No,

620
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: let's you getting look like you're getting emotional?

621
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw it. I just saw Patrick Ewing. Man,

622
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 6: that's a real tier too. I was Patrick Ewing, did

623
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 6: we get.

624
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: A close up on the deck? Can we zoom in

625
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: that that's real tears, ladies and John, that's not trick

626
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: rat are you saying not like the real tissue?

627
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 6: You know, you know a lot of people. You know

628
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 6: a lot of people when they talk about the great

629
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 6: and never comes up. But I'm putting patching you in names.

630
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 6: There's great. It was a great competitor, even though he

631
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: never even at the time when you scream this is

632
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 6: my house, get out of course, listen, listen. I watch

633
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: a lot of karate movies, and in every karate movie,

634
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 6: the student always had to kill the teacher to become

635
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 6: the best. So you know, even even though Pat was

636
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 6: better than me, I had to to say that to

637
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 6: psych myself out.

638
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's like when you hear

639
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: those kinds of sort of kind words that kind of

640
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: really put things into perspective of like where it was.

641
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people remember the missed layup

642
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: and like a crucial miss lay up towards the end

643
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: of his career. But just watching some of these highlights

644
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: that super producer Jabari put together, the violence with which

645
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: he dunked on people. Yeah, early in his career, I mean,

646
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: and like throughout his career is really like, yeah, it

647
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: feels kind of influential in some ways.

648
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: Like he was he was, he was, he wasn't informer

649
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: And again like I don't think you played with Charles

650
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 4: Oakly for eight nine years and you know thrivee with

651
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: him if you're timid or if you're if you're weak willed.

652
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: Patrick Ewey was was a scary dude, and he was.

653
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: Somebody who, as you put it, jack like he would

654
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: he would dunk on you, and he was he was.

655
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: He came to the hoop hard, you know.

656
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: But but I think, but it's unfortunate that again, we

657
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: remember the times that he came up short, Like the

658
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: ninety four finals is a perfect example. You know, a

659
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: kim Alavn just cleaned his clock, and I think that

660
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: is what people remember.

661
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: They remember, they remember a Keeam going.

662
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: Bana going bananas against against Patrick Ewing and John Starts

663
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: going was it two for nineteen.

664
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: In game seven appeals?

665
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so it's very so yeah.

666
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: I mean he unfortunately if he had won one championship

667
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: with it, Elvin Hayes did the way that Dolve Chase

668
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: did and back Aways Wolves reed one too.

669
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: He's remembered a lot.

670
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: I think he'd be remembered a lot more fondly, and.

671
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: It would take.

672
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: It would take it wouldn't take Shaquille O'Neill to kind

673
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: of get people to remember him.

674
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: Yea, he was.

675
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: He was an outstanding player, and he also played an

676
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: impossible media market in Miles as he said, like, yeah,

677
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: at Georgia he was like he was more like a

678
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: Bill Russell type, like a block, a rebounder, defensive guy.

679
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: And he yeah, I mean if you look.

680
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: At his highlights in college, like he's not doing those,

681
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: you know, he's not doing that back to the basket,

682
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: curl to the center jump shot. He's not you know,

683
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: posting up on the low blocks. He's very much just

684
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: a kind of a the ultimate. He's a defensive presence.

685
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: He's a defensive monster. And so yeah, I mean I

686
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: don't think he gets nearly enough credit for being for

687
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: being a truly great player. I mean, he had fourteen

688
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: or fifteen great seasons. How come does that happen?

689
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah, he was also like Embiid and like Alajuan,

690
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: like started hooping pretty late in life, you know, he

691
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: didn't come to the US until eleven and started playing

692
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: basketball then. So I think that's like, you know, Embiid

693
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: in college was not a like the thing you'd noticed

694
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: about him was not his like deft offensive touch. It

695
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, he's like really athletic and like good

696
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: at blocking. And yeah, yeah, but I don't mean to

697
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: talk about I was speaking of Shack.

698
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone who really something that really puts things into perspective,

699
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: especially like we got to talk about.

700
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Our Vitas Sabonis.

701
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: So I grew up watching us do battle with him

702
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: in these Western Conference finals, in the playoffs, just throughout

703
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: the regular season, and he was one of the most

704
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: frustrating players.

705
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: I remember being like, but we got Shack, but this

706
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: guy's Sabonis. He's like not even as athletic.

707
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't understand. It was really frustrating. And then I remember,

708
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: like later on I learned, I was like, oh, we

709
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: were playing the dusty version of R Vita Sabonis, like

710
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: we've missed peak Arvet and that's in my mind, Wizard's

711
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: version of R give his Shack that work.

712
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, yeah, you know who.

713
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: It's funny looking at the old highlights of Arvidas Sabonis

714
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: and he's so much like Jokic, you know, very I mean,

715
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: great outside touch, amazing passer, just a guy that just

716
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 4: a just a great team player.

717
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: And and you're right, wus like he I remember.

718
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: Watching I think it was a the Rookie, the Rookie Showcase,

719
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 4: the Rookie first year Player whatever that's called the Rising

720
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: Stars Challenge, like in ninety five ninety six, and I

721
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: remember Sabonis played in that game, and like he's like

722
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: exactly like he's saying, it's like Joe Smith and like

723
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: he's you know, up and all these like these young

724
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 4: these young bloys. He looked like he was running in sand.

725
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: Like he was so moving so slowly and so tenderly. Yeah,

726
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: it almost looked like it was it seemed like he was.

727
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: In pain playing right at that kind of pace.

728
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 4: But he was, but he was just but even at

729
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: at the minished state he was, he was not only

730
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: was he was he a good player, He was a

731
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: very good player. But he was a key contributor to

732
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: some really really good Portland Trail Plazer teams. I mean

733
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: that that two thousand team, that game seven, aside that

734
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: that meltdown, they they headed the finals. So so you know,

735
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: to to watch Sabonis like that's one of the great

736
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: what ifs like what if Sabonis when he was there

737
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: but he was drafted by Atlanta originally at eighty six

738
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: straight five?

739
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: What if he came out then? What if he was

740
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: able to make.

741
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: That jump and play with Dominique Wilkins, doc whit gosh,

742
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: Kevin willis like that to me is one of the

743
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: great Or what if like what if he played you know,

744
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: what if he came back five years before, like at

745
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: eighty nine and played with ky.

746
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: Drets and potentially Draws and Petrovitch even Yeah, yeah, but

747
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: it was also part of that part of the start

748
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: up in Portland.

749
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think we're talking about a completely

750
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: different world. I think he comes over, he's giving Bird

751
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: the work, like he's better than Bird right away, and

752
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: we lose the Cold War, like America's spirit is completely

753
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: deflated and it's like rocky for him. Reverse he comes

754
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: over and we're just like they're they got us man,

755
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: Like this is our best absolutely hoop, Like I had nothing,

756
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: no frame, Like my brain would not have been able

757
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: to compute somebody coming over from Russia, Like I was

758
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: like Russia, like yeah, okay, they they might be superior

759
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: in ice hockey. Like they don't have basketball over there,

760
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: it's too cold, and like having just like have the

761
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: nastiest game. Like some of these highlights, we'll link off

762
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: to them in the show notes, but like some of

763
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: these highlights are it's like, oh yeah, I've never seen

764
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: that pass anywhere except for maybe Magic and Jokic. And

765
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: it's like a behind the back pass where he's not

766
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: even like looking. He just like has a sense that

767
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: somebody's where he knows they are, and it goes past

768
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: three people's heads, like just over their shoulders, like three defenders,

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: and just like weaves its way through in a way

770
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: that seems like it's it doesn't make sense.

771
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: He was he was a magician, and he was he

772
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: was so splendid in the low post passing. I mean,

773
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: I can watch clips of or Vitas a Bonus in

774
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: Portland passing to Scottie Pippen and Steve Smith and Kenny

775
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: Anderson all day because the meam like that. Once or

776
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 4: twice a game, one of them would cut and Sabona

777
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: but just delivered the bullet bounce pass hits the guy

778
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: riding's drive like he to me, what what I love

779
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: of watching Yokic playing is to me.

780
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound silly, but.

781
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: I kind of wonder what would be like to play

782
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: like half court basketball with them, yea, and like I

783
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: get so excited and that's why, and that's what it

784
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: would be. I can't imagine what it be like playing

785
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 4: half court with with Yokic or with Sabonis, because like

786
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: you just know that if you make a cut to

787
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: the basket, you're gonna the ball is going to be

788
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: in the right location and you'll be and if you move,

789
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 4: you'll be rewarded. Or it was like that magic was

790
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: like that where they just they just had they just

791
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: they had just great anticipation and they just they trusted

792
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: their teammates to be in the right spot. But I mean, Sabonis,

793
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: it's so but yeah, I mean when Sabonis came to

794
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: Portland and you touch on this on this just now, Jack,

795
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: Like now we hear about players coming in from overseas

796
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: and it's not a big deal, Like you know, Wemby

797
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: goes first, and it's it's okay, Yeah, of course some

798
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 4: foot three Greek of Nature can shoot outside jump shots.

799
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: He's nineteen.

800
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: Of course we're going to get them. But back in

801
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: back in the eighties, and nineties. Even in the early

802
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: two thousands, there wasn't this pipeline of information. There wasn't,

803
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: you know, there wasn't. There wasn't The basketball hadn't really

804
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 4: spread the way that it has it has now, where

805
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: you know, we can actually talk about the Olympic Games

806
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: being competitive among multiple countries. So when our Vita Savonas

807
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 4: came along, and even when you know, Drosen got drafted,

808
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: Petrovich and a lot of depots, there was a lot

809
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: of suspicion because like, that wasn't a normal thing to

810
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: get players from overseas and bring them into the NBA, right,

811
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: not like unless they were like a Chemo Lagat or

812
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: Dela Shrimp and they went to a US college, right,

813
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: got refined, got reps and then okay, it's fine. But

814
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: like to pluck someone from a foreign country and bring

815
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: them into the NBA, that was not That was almost

816
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: underheard of, especially in the late nineteen eighties, And.

817
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: It was as of this show that it go back

818
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: to that way. We don't like them at US all

819
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: the way Russia. Jack, there was the US s R

820
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: back then, but he's from the US s R. Whatever.

821
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: Man too much Rocky to your Rocky Brain dies the

822
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: USSR though, man, that would have been that would have

823
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: been close enough for me, right up.

824
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean again huge what if what

825
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: if the bonus comes through? You know, if if first

826
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: of all, if the Soviet Union had allowed it, and

827
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: then maybe he doesn't get that Achilles injury that he

828
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: needs to read. Which is another thing too, is like

829
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: this guy was playing with like a busted Achilles and

830
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: so he still still playing well, still playing yeah, right,

831
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: But the next what if, which I think as I

832
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: was looking into this more and more, seems to be

833
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: like one of the biggest what ifs in the NBA,

834
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: which is Draws and Petrovitch.

835
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: He played what like three seasons in the NBA.

836
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: I think eighty eight eighty nine was his first season.

837
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 4: Was see he played in the finals against the Pistons

838
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: nineties eighty nine nine. I think's like, yeah, it's eighty.

839
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: Nine and many yeah, but yeah, all that to say

840
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: is like, as I you know, there was this one

841
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: interview I was watching with Reggie Miller and he's like

842
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: the greatest shooter of all time is actually Draws and Petrovitch.

843
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I was like, whoa, whoa, that's I mean,

844
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: I knew he was nice with it, but when a

845
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: lot of people really talk about just like what his

846
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: last season with the Nets, and you're like, oh, this

847
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: thing is about to go off like fully, and he

848
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: tragically passed away in a car accident at twenty eight

849
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: that you know, cut his career short. But you know

850
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: what was sort of when you saw the list of

851
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: people you can talk about, like when we were talking

852
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: about nineties nostalgia players, like aside from the what ifs,

853
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: like or maybe it was the what ifs, what really

854
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: drew you to Draws and Petrovitch, I mean.

855
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: With Draws and Petrovitch is more about that team, the Nets.

856
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: I think, you know again, I grew up in central

857
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: New Jersey, which was very much Knicks territory, even though

858
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: the Nets played in the Meadowlands, which was like thirty

859
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 4: minus from my house from my parents' house. So but

860
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: but the but the that Nets team, like ninety three,

861
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: ninety three, ninety four was absolutely stacked, like they were

862
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: primed to do to do great things because Drazen Petrovitch,

863
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: who was coming into his own who's a remarkable shooter.

864
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: And this is why why YouTube is such a gift

865
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: if you're a sports nerd or any any kind of devotee,

866
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: because you can go back and watch game footage and

867
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: draws and Petrovitch if you watch the game Foich, I'm.

868
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: Sure you guys have.

869
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: His release is just lightning quick like he he comes

870
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: off curls and just shoots and it's a it looks almost.

871
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Like an optical illusion.

872
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 4: He is so so quick, and he would have thrived

873
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: in today's game. He was He was almost like a

874
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: Klay Thompson type where he was just he he just

875
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: could shoot from anywhere, could get to the basket if

876
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: he needed to. Great player, but Rosin was was was special.

877
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: But that team, like you have to remember this New Jersey,

878
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: New York was always Knicks still lives to a certain degree.

879
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 4: But back in ninety two, nineteen ninety three, No. Ninety three,

880
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: ninety four, I believe I'm getting my my dates mixed up.

881
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 4: Chuck Daly gets hired to coach the Nets, which is

882
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: a big deal because Chuck Daly again coached his dream team.

883
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: He was also Piston's head coach during the glory years.

884
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: So this is a big gat.

885
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: You get Tuck, you get Chuck Daily, and then you

886
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: get Derrick Coleman, who was a great player inside outside guy,

887
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 4: could could good great rebounder. You have Kenny Anderson was

888
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: one of the one of the best point guards coming up,

889
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: who was just you know, explosive left hander which is

890
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: you know again throws everyone off. And then johnsa Petrovitch.

891
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: That is a great big three right there, and you

892
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 4: have the right coach, you have players involved. I think

893
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: also on that team was Rick Mhorn Moe Cheeks, like

894
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: good veteran stability there.

895
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: And they had one season. They didn't really get very far.

896
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: I think they lost the Knicks in the first round,

897
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 4: I want to say, and and that was it, Like

898
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: you know, Dowson, patrickck dies you know in June and

899
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 4: that terrible car accident on the Autubahn, and the Nets

900
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 4: never recover, you know, Kenny Anderson, you know, I think

901
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: it gets injured. I think right around the middle of

902
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: ninety three, ninety four, sees know when was that he

903
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: gets injured? He breaks his wrists. One year isn't really

904
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: the same. Derek Coleman never puts it together, He never

905
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 4: kind of gets he never reaches full maturity, and that

906
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: window closes. So that's one of the to me like,

907
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 4: one of the great what ifs is if that NETS

908
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: team had another season, if you put together Anderson, a

909
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: healthy Kenny Anderson, Derek Coleman, that isn't you know that

910
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: gets it together maturity wise and Drasan Petrickish You get

911
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: those three together and.

912
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: Chuck daily, how far do they go?

913
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, I really think that's one of the

914
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 4: great one of the great what ifs in basketball history,

915
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: along with you know what if Marie Stokes doesn't hit

916
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 4: his head and has and basically becomes a paraplegic when

917
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: he's at the Rock, when he's at the Royals. It's

918
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 4: one of those great what ifs, right, I think.

919
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: Amazing. All Right, we're going to take one more break.

920
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: We're going to come back and we're going to do

921
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: the fastest rapid fire round of questioning that you've ever heard.

922
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: We'll be rappid and we're back. We're back. Pete, my

923
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: dear Pete.

924
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: Yes, we've had a had a great time talking nostalgia

925
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: ball with you, but now it's time.

926
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: To ball B A W L tiers of pain because

927
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: you have entered the hot seat. It's the fourth quarter

928
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: rapid fire around a question.

929
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: It's very hot in my office as I record, so

930
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: forgive my stutters the moment.

931
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I hope this isn't a

932
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: video time I am. I'm sort of like a pot

933
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: roast here.

934
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

935
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 4: The doors are closed, and it's like, I'm this is

936
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: why this is.

937
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Going to be the fastest one, because I only have

938
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: a few more breaths before. You don't much time to

939
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: come to heat stroke.

940
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: I guess. Yeah.

941
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I think we just got to replace our nineties players.

942
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: I think we need I think we need to take

943
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: advantage of Pete's immense backlog of knowledge and do that,

944
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: and it'll be rapid, so rapid, because it's only gonna

945
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: be one shot. We're gonna take one shot.

946
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: I'll do the best that I can.

947
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, right, we'll get ready because here we go.

948
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: Start the clock. Don't, don't, don't don't? All right, you

949
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: want to go first? Or well, there's only one question?

950
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

951
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: Wait where is the which one are you going to do?

952
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: The one question?

953
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Where was the we had this second ago? I

954
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: wasn't messing around the dog? Did you do something? Replace

955
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: the ones we were there? It is all right, you

956
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: want to do that one I'm gonna ask I'm gonna

957
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: ask another on. I'm gonna ask another question though too. Okay,

958
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: I think we should do I think we should Yes.

959
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: Hold on so fast, dude, I know you can't believe it.

960
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: Good how we are, Pete. We have two more installments

961
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: of the Nineties Nostalgia Conversation. So who are asking each

962
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: guest to give us a few more names to replace

963
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: the ones we discussed today. Uh, you've seen the overall list,

964
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: so give us a few more to discuss. Who are

965
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: the players that were missing from our list?

966
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: Let's see who are miss I'm trying to remember the

967
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: list we've got.

968
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll tell you who's still on the board.

969
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Sean Kemp, Iverson, Reggie Lewis, Alan Iverson, Glenn Robinson, Ray Allen,

970
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Alan Roberson, Uh Debt Li of shremp Hakeem Free Vlade,

971
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Sam Cassell, Anthony the Iceman, Peeler. It's from our last

972
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: week's guests, Matt Leeb.

973
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: Anthony Peeler. Oh my goodness, someone's the Missouri fan in.

974
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: Uh. That was gonna be Anthony Peter was gonna be

975
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 4: my guest?

976
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: Or Anthony pig Miller.

977
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 4: No, I will go with.

978
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: That's a fine list. You know who, you know you

979
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: talk about Sam Perkins.

980
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: That's one person, so smooth, so smooth with it. What

981
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: a smooth stroke. Okay, yeah, you give us one more,

982
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: one more, Okay.

983
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: One more, you know what.

984
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: Let's let's go a little off the beaten path here,

985
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: let's Marty Conlin. You know again, the there are very

986
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: few players who I watched who remind me of me

987
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 4: when I play. And again, I'm a slow, not terribly

988
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 4: talented back to the basket player, and Marty Colin would

989
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 4: be my avatar if I played in the NBA. He

990
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 4: he had the worst head bake and everyone always did

991
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: on it on the same way. And again, like you're

992
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: not you don't really see players like him anymore, these

993
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 4: very traditional bangers back to the basket type players who just.

994
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: Sort of stick around for five to ten years. But

995
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: you know, they're just you know, they're they're they're there

996
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: are quite.

997
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 4: Essential hustle, hustle to hustle guys. So yeah, my, so

998
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: Sam Perkins and Marty Kalina would be my my. Oh

999
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 4: can throw a third one in there?

1000
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Sure please?

1001
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what, and you can probably replace Marty

1002
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: Collin with this because I don't think anyone's going to

1003
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: listen to anyone.

1004
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Discussing AKA the Celtic Killer, so he will be on

1005
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: the list. Uh yeah, but he did per game.

1006
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: There you go. See that's what That's what I would

1007
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: be if I if I were playing an NBA player's body,

1008
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: I'd be ten points easy.

1009
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: Again, probably is his finest.

1010
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: But I but the player that I didn't stand that

1011
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: list I thought was great in the nineties. That doesn't

1012
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: get enough love.

1013
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 3: Mark Price.

1014
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, phenomenal playmaker. Was one of the pretty much

1015
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: started the trend of when a double team comes you

1016
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: split the middle like he would do that a lot.

1017
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: He would split like on a pick and roll. He

1018
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: would just like kind of duck in and take you

1019
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 4: to the hoop. Great three point shooter. I think he

1020
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: shot over forty percent from three point line back when

1021
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 4: that was more of a novelty. But yeah, amazing player.

1022
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 4: Career was cut short because of an ecl injury and

1023
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 4: yeah he was. He was, and he was phenomenal on

1024
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: some really really good uh Cleveland Cavaliers themes back in

1025
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 4: the day.

1026
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, Mark Price would be my choice as well.

1027
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: One of the most beautiful strokes I've ever seen. Yeah,

1028
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: just jump shooter, just a gorgeous Yeah.

1029
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: Final question for you, p yes, please describe to us

1030
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: your personal highlight for you as a basketball player.

1031
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 4: As a basketball player, that's a.

1032
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: Great Really, what's your greatest performance? You've putting it on

1033
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: my court?

1034
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: My greatest performance?

1035
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 4: Oh boy, this is gonna sound this is gonna sound

1036
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 4: a little silly, but I guess I'll go with it

1037
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 4: because it's contemporary. And I don't want to bore people with,

1038
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, back in my day stories because they're not

1039
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: they're not that impressive.

1040
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you it's it's My daughter is is seven, and.

1041
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: You know, so she'll where's this going? And you just

1042
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: put up like windmilled her and I am just.

1043
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: Torturing her with right w jump boxs.

1044
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 4: No, but my daughter is seven years old now, and

1045
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: she she will One of the great joys is like

1046
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 4: we will shoot baskets together, or like, you know, we'll

1047
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 4: go to the wine. You know, she'll chase down rebounds

1048
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 4: and one of the nice one of the greatest moments

1049
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 4: is just being able to shoot with her and her

1050
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 4: being impressed that I can actually make a basket. Yeah,

1051
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 4: that's not going to last for too much longer because

1052
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 4: you know, I'm She's going to know that I'm a

1053
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: terrible athlete and that I that you know, I'm a

1054
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: thirty five percent shooterest so like that, you got to be.

1055
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: Adding tools in the off season when she's like, I know,

1056
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: I know.

1057
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: I should be dedicated to working in my left hand,

1058
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: but you know, only so many eighty hours a day.

1059
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: But that's probably the nicest moment, is just being able

1060
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: to go out there and.

1061
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: Have that moment with my daughter and and maybe and

1062
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 4: I hope that she's able to appreciate or maybe get

1063
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 4: into sports because she sees me doing it. So that's

1064
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 4: really that's really that's been a recent development that I've

1065
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: really have I really cherish, you know, better than the

1066
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: time I you know, I did like two behind the

1067
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: back passes in a game or right right, you know,

1068
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: almost puts the backward on a layup.

1069
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, Pete, it turns out that was the correct

1070
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: answer that we had written answer and correct roto.

1071
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying, I'm just trying to elevate the conversation.

1072
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, one story of the time, that's

1073
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: what you on?

1074
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: Man, where do the people find you, follow you, read you,

1075
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: support you, all that good stuff.

1076
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you.

1077
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, i mean I'm on x Twitter whatever it's called.

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Speaker 4: Now Twitter at Pete Crowado my name which is p

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Speaker 4: E t E c r O A T t O.

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Speaker 4: You can buy my book from Hanging on the Prime

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Speaker 4: Time pretty much anywhere, still on Amazon, still on Barnes

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Speaker 4: and Noble.

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Speaker 3: It still hasn't been turned to mulch, so today.

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Speaker 4: Buy it there. And yeah, i mean, I'm always you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm always you know. I'm on also most of the

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Speaker 4: social media under some variation of my name, and I'm

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Speaker 4: always posting stories and stuff.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm easy to find.

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Speaker 4: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can follow our show at the hashtag Matt

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Speaker 2: boost 's b w S t i E S on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: That's we can find show links, show notes, ways to

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Speaker 2: get into our listener discord, amongst other things.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Miles of Gray. You can

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Speaker 1: find me at Jack Underscore Obrian and that's going to

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Speaker 1: do it. Another one on the.

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Speaker 2: Books, another one and we'll be next week. We'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens with Team USA.

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Speaker 1: Will the glory continue?

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Speaker 4: I think? So?

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you the next thing

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Speaker 2: I said to see you next team, next time, the

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Speaker 2: next gam Bye, Bye, Okayama,