WEBVTT - DARPA in the 1970s

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer and

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<v Speaker 1>I love all things tech. And this is our fourth

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<v Speaker 1>episode about DARPA, And after this episode I will switch

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<v Speaker 1>to some other topics for a while. But DARPA's history

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly complicated and it's intertwined with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most important technologies we interact with today, So we will

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<v Speaker 1>revisit this topic in the future. Will come back and

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<v Speaker 1>continue the story of DARPA. But I did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to turn tech stuff into DARPA stuff, So after this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I figure we'll move on to something else and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in a few weeks we'll pick up where we left

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<v Speaker 1>off today. In our last episode, we covered a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more of the technology that was developed as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the efforts in the Vietnam War, and I guess now

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good time to remind every in the DARPA,

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<v Speaker 1>which back in the sixties was known by its original

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<v Speaker 1>name ARPA, was not an R and D facility itself,

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<v Speaker 1>not truly. It was more of an agency that would

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<v Speaker 1>award contracts to other organizations such as think tanks, universities,

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<v Speaker 1>defense contractors, and stuff like that. ARPA slash DARPA would

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<v Speaker 1>fund the work and they would also set the expectations,

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<v Speaker 1>the guidelines, you know what it was that they were

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to get out of it. But the actual science

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<v Speaker 1>and development was going on throughout the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>all these different facilities, and these projects were frequently top

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<v Speaker 1>top top secret, meaning the people who worked on them

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<v Speaker 1>would keep it quiet even from their co workers. So

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<v Speaker 1>only people at the top of DARPA really tended to

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<v Speaker 1>know all about the bits and pieces, and sometimes even

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<v Speaker 1>the director wasn't fully aware of everything that was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how classified some of these projects were. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, while several ARPA research projects were all tied

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<v Speaker 1>up in the Vietnam War, a group of computer networking

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<v Speaker 1>specialists would initiate the original Arpanet Connections. ARPANETT was the

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<v Speaker 1>R and D project to create a means for different

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<v Speaker 1>computers to send data back and forth between each other,

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<v Speaker 1>even if those computers relied upon different computer languages, and

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<v Speaker 1>even if they were separated by many many miles from

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<v Speaker 1>one another. Part of this required the design and production

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<v Speaker 1>of a brand new technology a router. ARPA had contracted

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<v Speaker 1>the company BBN Technologies to build the first routers back

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty eight, and then it took a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But on October twenty, nineteen sixty nine, computers at the

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford Research Institute, at the University of California and Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara and at the University of Utah would connect through

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<v Speaker 1>these routers. The first message sent across this three node

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<v Speaker 1>network was low l O. This was actually Christopher Lines

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to log in l O g I N to

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<v Speaker 1>the s r I computer remotely, but the s r

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<v Speaker 1>I computer crashed in mid message, and so low is

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<v Speaker 1>all we got. Also, how typical is it that the

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<v Speaker 1>server goes down just when you have something important to

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<v Speaker 1>send to it? It dates all the way back to

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the ARPA net. But more seriously, this

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<v Speaker 1>connection showed that remote computers would be able to send

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<v Speaker 1>data back and forth using network communication standards and also

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<v Speaker 1>relying upon technologies like packet switching that involves dividing data

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<v Speaker 1>such as the data that represents a file, into smaller packets,

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<v Speaker 1>and each packet has information about where the data is from,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's going, and how it fits into the overall

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<v Speaker 1>collection of information so that you can um when I

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<v Speaker 1>say you, so that a computer can reconstruct the file.

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<v Speaker 1>These ideas we get fleshed out over the next several years.

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<v Speaker 1>An important moment would happen to night teen seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>when vent Surf and Bob con would publish a protocol

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<v Speaker 1>for Packet Network Interconnection, which laid out the principles behind TCP.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've done full episodes about ur PONET, so for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we'll just remind you that that was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was happening at this time, and will also point

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<v Speaker 1>out some of the big moments as they tie back

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<v Speaker 1>into our PA. So the main purpose of our Bonette,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, that was just to create those methodologies

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<v Speaker 1>for computer networks. But one of the applications, perhaps one

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<v Speaker 1>of the benefits that ar Bo was really interested in,

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<v Speaker 1>was the idea that by creating distributed networks of computers,

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<v Speaker 1>the US could maintain some communications and command structures in

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<v Speaker 1>the event of a nuclear strike. So it's kind of scary,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also really interesting when you think of it

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<v Speaker 1>from a communication standpoint. If you have a concentrated computer center,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that you've got a known defense computer at

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<v Speaker 1>a university, Well, that is a potential target. If your

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<v Speaker 1>adversary knows that there's a computer at that location and

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<v Speaker 1>they know that it's of critical importance, they may target it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they take it down, then you lose it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is another problem for you to have to handle.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you create a means for computers to work

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<v Speaker 1>together across a big network and it spreads all over

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<v Speaker 1>the country, you have distributed your computing power significantly. And

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<v Speaker 1>even if a strike were to take down part of

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<v Speaker 1>that network, because the nature of the network itself, the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it may continue to operate without the section

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<v Speaker 1>that has been taken out, which means you still have

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<v Speaker 1>some of your communications and control systems in place. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was looked at as a defense measure as well,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a means of having computers be able to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with one another, but it was an added benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in nineteen sixty nine, are PA and the U.

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<v Speaker 1>S Army with Bell Labs and the Williams Research Corporation

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<v Speaker 1>to develop the w R nineteen turbo fan engine. This

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<v Speaker 1>engine acts as the power plant for many different cruise missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually had to look this up because I

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<v Speaker 1>was not familiar with the term power plant when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to things like missiles and jets and airplanes. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a power plant as a place that is used

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<v Speaker 1>to generate electricity. But power plant in this context is

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<v Speaker 1>an apparatus that provides power for device. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>big surprise. And so the power in this particular scenario

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<v Speaker 1>is the power to fly through the air. So not

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<v Speaker 1>that mysterious and just threw me for a loop the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I saw it, because despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this for ten years, that I'm forty

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<v Speaker 1>three years old, I don't think I've ever actually encountered

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<v Speaker 1>that phrasing before. Meanwhile, while this turbo fan is in development,

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<v Speaker 1>while ar Panetta is coming online, ARPO was also funding

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<v Speaker 1>advancements in underwater propulsion systems. So not just this turbo

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<v Speaker 1>fan for going through the air, they were also looking

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<v Speaker 1>at underwater systems. The U. S. Navy had already funded

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<v Speaker 1>work out of the Applied Research Laboratory at Penn State

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<v Speaker 1>for a system that was called the Stored Chemical Energy

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<v Speaker 1>Propulsion System or SKEPS s c e p S. This

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<v Speaker 1>was used to power torpedoes. ARPA would fund subsequent research

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<v Speaker 1>to increase the operation duration for those systems to have

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<v Speaker 1>them be long endurance systems in other words, and these

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<v Speaker 1>were systems that were relying upon thermal chemical reactions, so

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<v Speaker 1>you would have them burned through what was essentially fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had to come up with new ways to

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<v Speaker 1>replenish that. The result of this was an improvement over

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<v Speaker 1>the old technology, and it would be incorporated in the

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<v Speaker 1>design of the m K fifty torpedo. In anti war

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment was on the rise in the United States. The

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam War conflict had been dragging on for were quite

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<v Speaker 1>some time, and the news was just devastating out of Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, via the Vietnam War was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first real conflicts where reporters on the ground were

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<v Speaker 1>able to send back footage and real stories of what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, and it was not These were not

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<v Speaker 1>positive stories. One place where this anti war sentiment really

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<v Speaker 1>became apparent was at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champagne.

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<v Speaker 1>There an enormous computer, the fastest in the world at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, was the bull's eye of this target. The

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<v Speaker 1>computer was called the ILIAC four I L L I

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<v Speaker 1>A C four. Professor Daniel L. Slotnick who had called

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<v Speaker 1>John von Neumann, a mentor he had studied under. Von

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<v Speaker 1>Neuman was the Arbors scientist in charge of the Iliac

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<v Speaker 1>four project, and his goal was to get the ILIAC

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<v Speaker 1>four up to being able to process a billion instructs

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<v Speaker 1>per second. It was running calculations related to ballistic missiles

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the possibility of using weather modification for

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<v Speaker 1>defense top secret stuff in other words, because it was

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<v Speaker 1>a Department of Defense computer running at this university. And

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<v Speaker 1>in early nineteen seventy a student reporter was able to

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<v Speaker 1>attend a meeting where they talked about how this computer's

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<v Speaker 1>time was being allocated, and in that story that the

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<v Speaker 1>student reporter published, the reporter revealed that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things the computer was being used to do was related

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<v Speaker 1>to nuclear weapons. Slot Nick was caught between anti war

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<v Speaker 1>protesters and the Department of Defense. He managed to anger

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<v Speaker 1>both sides at the same time when he said he

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<v Speaker 1>took on this project in order to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>build the computer. He wanted to have this computer capable

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<v Speaker 1>of running a billion operations per second, and in order

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<v Speaker 1>to do that he was going to need millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Department of Defense offered that operat tunity. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that if the Red Cross had done the same,

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<v Speaker 1>he would have taken the money from the Red Cross

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<v Speaker 1>and had nothing to do with the Department of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>This had the benefit of taking off both the anti

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<v Speaker 1>war protesters and the Department of Defense. Nobody was happy

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Tensions continued to grow, and there were more

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<v Speaker 1>than a few violent incidents on and around the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Illinois campus in the months following this news report.

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<v Speaker 1>So in June of that year, the university reported to

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<v Speaker 1>ARPA that the university was no longer going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep this computer safe. The ILIAC four was

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<v Speaker 1>in danger if it stayed on campus, and so ARPA

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<v Speaker 1>chose to move the computer, which by the way, was huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was several feet long, several feet wide,

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<v Speaker 1>weight an enormous amounts, So moving it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>an easy option. In fact, just to plug in the

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<v Speaker 1>power supply you would have to have a forklift. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was not an easy thing to move. But they

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<v Speaker 1>did relocate it. They moved did all the way out

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<v Speaker 1>to California to NASA's Institute for Advanced Computation at the

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<v Speaker 1>AIMS Research Center. Now, following this, while you have this

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<v Speaker 1>anti war sentiment growing, you have these these violent protests happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Mike Mansfield would introduce a bill that would limit

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<v Speaker 1>ARPA's projects to those that had a quote specific military

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<v Speaker 1>function end quote. ARPA would end up having trouble getting

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<v Speaker 1>budget for speculative or bleeding edge research. They were mostly

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<v Speaker 1>trying to look into ways of pushing the bleeding edge

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<v Speaker 1>of technology out much further than anyone else. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole goal of ARPA or DARPA as it would

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<v Speaker 1>later be known, was to make certain that the United

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<v Speaker 1>States would never be left behind again, that another spot

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<v Speaker 1>Nick type event would never happen to the US, that

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<v Speaker 1>the US would always be on the forefront of that technology,

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<v Speaker 1>which would mean having to do a lot of exploratory

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<v Speaker 1>research and development that you could not easily tie into

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<v Speaker 1>active military efforts because you're looking ahead to anticipate problems

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have yet but you think are around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner. So this was a real blow to the agency.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, the Secretary of Defense would order ARPA to

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<v Speaker 1>be removed from the Pentagon, so the agency's new office

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<v Speaker 1>would be almost three miles away in Arlington, Virginia, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean that you would no longer have that

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<v Speaker 1>very quick, immediate access to Pentagon officials. You weren't working

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<v Speaker 1>side by side with them anymore. No one at ARPA,

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<v Speaker 1>not even the director, was really sure if the agency

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be around much longer or not. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a serious worry that the agency might just fizzle

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<v Speaker 1>out without a formal conclusion. But the agency wasn't officially

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<v Speaker 1>shut down, and so it would continue to fund R

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<v Speaker 1>and D work in various projects. I'll explain a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more in just a second, but first let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break to thank our sponsor. ARFA was also

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<v Speaker 1>funding work to develop low weight mirrors made out of

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<v Speaker 1>beryllium for use, and stuff like infrared telescopes and ballistic

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<v Speaker 1>missile defense systems and weapons guidance systems ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>useful for lots of stuff, especially in space. I mean anytime,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll mention this again towards the end of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>anytime you can reduce the amount of weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>components you're sending up into space, you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>it because weight essentially equates money. The heavier your payload

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<v Speaker 1>is to get into space, the more expensive it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be to get up there. So this was an

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<v Speaker 1>important development not just for these military guidance systems and

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<v Speaker 1>defense systems, but for space faring stuff overall. Are but

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<v Speaker 1>also funded development of technologies that would be incorporated into

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<v Speaker 1>a new generation of detection equipment that could pick up

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet submarine movements. Uh. The project was considered one of

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<v Speaker 1>the agency's biggest successes, with the resulting technology being deployed

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen eighties. So again you see how

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<v Speaker 1>far ahead the agency is from the production of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's several years out from where they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the research and development. They do the r and D

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<v Speaker 1>work in the early seventies, it's not really ready to

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<v Speaker 1>be rolled out in an application until the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was again are PA's argument. They said, we

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<v Speaker 1>are necessary to be able to work on these problems

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<v Speaker 1>and anticipate these things so that we're ready to go

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<v Speaker 1>within a decade or so. But if we're not doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're being reactionary instead of proactive, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be behind the game. John Lehman, who was Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy in nineteen would end up saying that because

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<v Speaker 1>of these submarine sensors, if a war were to ever

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<v Speaker 1>break out between the United States and the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>those sensors would give him the capability to attack all

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet subs that were in deployment within the first five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of that war. So it was considered to be

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly successful technology. It's also indicative of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of DARPA's early work, which focused largely on developing sensor

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<v Speaker 1>technology for all sorts of stuff seismic sensors, acoustic sensors,

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<v Speaker 1>radioactive isotope sensors, etcetera. So there's also no getting around

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that most of the technologies I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in these episodes are meant either to defend against or attack,

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<v Speaker 1>or to make attacks more effective. They're all supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be related to military stuff, after all, But this next

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<v Speaker 1>bit is sort of a relief from that. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen seventies, are PA funded research into what was

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<v Speaker 1>called glassy carbon. This was a foamy sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>made from pure carbon, and the foam had some really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting features. It was strong, it didn't weigh very much,

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<v Speaker 1>it was chemically inert, and while the original idea was

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<v Speaker 1>that the stuff might be really important for numerous electrochemical applications.

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<v Speaker 1>One unexpected benefit was that it became a strong candidate

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<v Speaker 1>for material to use in surgical implants like heart valves,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was. And so this particular ARPA project

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<v Speaker 1>would fund work on a technology that would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to save countless lives, and I think that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a good reminder that while some of this

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<v Speaker 1>technology was initially intended specifically for a military purpose or

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<v Speaker 1>to potentially go into military applications, they often would have

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<v Speaker 1>much wider applications than just military ones. In nineteen two,

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<v Speaker 1>are PAS Materials Research Projects developed rare earth permanent magnets

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<v Speaker 1>capable of operating That means is, you know, maintaining their

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<v Speaker 1>magnetism across a range of temperatures that had been identified

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<v Speaker 1>as being military relevant. And it's a pretty big range.

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<v Speaker 1>So on the low end is minus fifty five degrees

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<v Speaker 1>celsius or minus sixty seven fahrenheit. On the hot end

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<v Speaker 1>of the scale, it's a hundred twenty five degrees celsius,

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<v Speaker 1>which is two hundred fifty seven degrees fahrenheit. Now, typically

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<v Speaker 1>heating a magnet will reduce its strength of its magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>and cooling a magnet down will increase a permanent magnets

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field. So why is that Well, from a very

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<v Speaker 1>basic level, a magnet's molecules are largely aligned with one another.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more or less all pointing in the same direction

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<v Speaker 1>within the material. So you've got all these molecules that

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<v Speaker 1>are lined up in parallel, and their north poles are

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<v Speaker 1>all pointing in one direction, their south poles are all

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<v Speaker 1>pointing in the other direction. Heating a magnet up causes

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<v Speaker 1>molecules to move around. Heating stuff up causes molecular movement,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more the molecules move around, the more that

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<v Speaker 1>alignment is compromised. So if you heat up a magnet

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, it starts to lose its magnetic properties. If

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<v Speaker 1>you heat it up enough to a point that's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Curie point, named after Madam Curry, they will no

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<v Speaker 1>longer be magnetic at all. You will have demagnetized your

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<v Speaker 1>magnet by heating it up to this point. It's where

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<v Speaker 1>the molecules will be out of alignment and they will

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<v Speaker 1>not realign. To do that, though, you'd have to heat

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<v Speaker 1>the material a pretty darn hot. The Cury point is

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<v Speaker 1>typically very very very hot for most materials, so for example,

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<v Speaker 1>iron that curi point is like seven seventy degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thousand, four hundred seventeen degrees fahrenheit. So this

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<v Speaker 1>would mean that it be very rare that you would

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<v Speaker 1>ever encounter those kind of situations. The only way you

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<v Speaker 1>would do it is if you were doing it on purpose. Typically,

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<v Speaker 1>this work was really to make sure that the magnets

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<v Speaker 1>were going to operate according to expectations under hot and

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<v Speaker 1>cold conditions. Also in nineteen two, ARPA officially became DARPA,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>stick with that name until nine. In three it would

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<v Speaker 1>drop the D and become ARPA again for three years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in nine will become DARPA again. But I

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<v Speaker 1>figure we're gonna have a while before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, so we'll talk about that when we get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Another DARPA funded innovation in the early nineteen seventies was

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<v Speaker 1>the development of gallium arsenide as a semiconductor material. So

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<v Speaker 1>before the semiconductor electronics relied on these really large component

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<v Speaker 1>parts like vacuum tubes, which meant your basic computer would

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<v Speaker 1>take up an enormous amount of space. Several researchers developed

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<v Speaker 1>semiconductor technologies all the way through the nineteen forties, but

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<v Speaker 1>it would take a while for the semiconductor transistor to

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<v Speaker 1>become practical. The properties of gallium arsenide allowed it to

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<v Speaker 1>host faster transistors running on more power than you could

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<v Speaker 1>put on a silicon transistor. Technology would find its way

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<v Speaker 1>into all sorts of applications, though the military was mostly

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<v Speaker 1>concerned with its use on GPS kits and precision guided

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<v Speaker 1>munitions and other defensive systems. One last bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam War and DARPA, because we're getting to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where America was getting ready to withdraw from Vietnam. The

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<v Speaker 1>war became increasingly unpopular as it stretched on, and for

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, in the US, it was never really a

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<v Speaker 1>formal war. The US had started out trying to supply

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<v Speaker 1>aid in the form of technology and training to the

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<v Speaker 1>South Vietnamese government and military, and this was all in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to stop the growth of communism without getting

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<v Speaker 1>directly involved. That was the goal, was to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the South Vietnamese forces were capable of handling this

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<v Speaker 1>without the US having to get directly involved. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that did not pan out. Every year since nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine had seen an increase in the number of US

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<v Speaker 1>troops sent to the region. In nineteen seventy one, a

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<v Speaker 1>former Rand Corporation analyst named Daniel Ellsberg would leak a

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<v Speaker 1>collection of documents that collectively were called the Pentagon Papers

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<v Speaker 1>to The New York Times. Those documents contained information about

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<v Speaker 1>the US is secret involvement with Vietnam for more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade. This was actually a detailed report that mc

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<v Speaker 1>namara had asked the Rand Corporation to put together as

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<v Speaker 1>it was going on, sort of an encyclopedia of the

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam War. And the problem was that at this point

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<v Speaker 1>this analyst leaked the whole thing to The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>and it included details on the various ARPA projects that

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<v Speaker 1>had happened in that time, and the involvement of the

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<v Speaker 1>super elitist group of scientists called the Jason's and the

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<v Speaker 1>growing anti war movement was really gaining momentum in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and many people were outraged not just about

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<v Speaker 1>the war, but also about these revelations of how the

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<v Speaker 1>US public had been deceived over the years, how the

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<v Speaker 1>government had been purposefully misleading the US population, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least supposed to be represented by this government.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it bred this this distrust in the government,

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<v Speaker 1>saying you have been doing all the secret stuff, telling

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<v Speaker 1>us it's one thing when it's really another. The anti

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<v Speaker 1>war sentiment put a lot of pressure on all parties involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually it led to ARPA's director, who was a Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve J. Lucasik, the seventh director of ARPA at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>to sever the ties with the Jason's ARPA was seen

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<v Speaker 1>as the R and D tip on the point of

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<v Speaker 1>the military industrial complex SPEAR, and since the efforts in

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam didn't prevent the North Vietnamese forces from taking Saigon,

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<v Speaker 1>many were beginning to question the usefulness of such an

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<v Speaker 1>agency in the first place. The experience of Vietnam had

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous effect on the American psyche. The majority of

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<v Speaker 1>Americans felt the war was unethical and a political mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it led to the deaths of thousands of Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention millions of others. And it taunt Americans

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<v Speaker 1>that the use of force and superior technology would not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily win out over philosophies and ideology. It wasn't realistic

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<v Speaker 1>to say because we are technologically superior, We're definitely going

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<v Speaker 1>to win. Now, all of this is to say that

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<v Speaker 1>it would make the post Vietnam War era for DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>really challenging. Apart from the name change, which was again

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<v Speaker 1>to indicate that from this point forward, the agency was

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<v Speaker 1>only going to pursue projects that met a specific military need.

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<v Speaker 1>All projects related to the Vietnam War were to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Project Agile was called an enormous failure, that all the

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to bring research and technology to stop insurgents had

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<v Speaker 1>been ineffective at best and counter productive at worst. Several

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<v Speaker 1>previous ARPA directors who oversaw Project Agile throughout the years

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<v Speaker 1>would admit that their efforts were misguided and ineffective. DARBA

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<v Speaker 1>established a new office called Tactical Technology. This office carried

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<v Speaker 1>out much of the top secret R and D work

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<v Speaker 1>around sensors, improving the technologies that had been part of

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the failed electric fence project, as well as more successful

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.360
<v Speaker 1>projects like VILA and the submarine sensors. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>was the move to research technologies that can mask aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>from radar systems. New advanced air defense missile systems were

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<v Speaker 1>making it increasingly dangerous to fly missions in combat theaters.

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.959
<v Speaker 1>DARPA would tackle this problem by funding research into ways

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<v Speaker 1>that an aircraft might foil radar systems, either by absorbing

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>radar waves so that nothing bounces back, or by reflecting

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<v Speaker 1>radar waves off into other directions so that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>return to their radar stations, or both. These projects would

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<v Speaker 1>evolve into have Blue, the first practical stealth combat aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a proof of concept vehicle the had's first

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<v Speaker 1>test flight in nineteen seventy seven, and there's an interesting

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes story that really shows how secretive all

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 1>this stuff was. So the CIA had previously been working

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<v Speaker 1>with Lockheed to develop stealth technology that would culminate with

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<v Speaker 1>an aircraft called the A twelve Ox cart Plane. I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it in an episode about stealth aircraft. But

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the A twelve was so top secret that even the

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<v Speaker 1>director of DARPA, who was George Hallmeyer at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>he hadn't even heard about it. So when DARPA began

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<v Speaker 1>to look for possible contractors to work on stealth technology,

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<v Speaker 1>they did not initially consider Lockeed. They weren't They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that Lockeed had been working on this stuff. They

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<v Speaker 1>originally only reached out to McDonald Douglas and to Northrop.

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<v Speaker 1>When Lockeed executives found out, they petitioned the CIA to

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<v Speaker 1>let them tell DARPA about the stealth technology that the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Secrets Gunkworks division had been doing in order to

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<v Speaker 1>bid on this contract. The CIA would allow Locked to

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<v Speaker 1>tell hal Meyer about the twelve, which later would evolve

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<v Speaker 1>into the SR seventy one reconnaissance aircraft for the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lockeed would win this contract. I'll have more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about stealth technology and some of the other tech

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<v Speaker 1>that DARBA worked on towards the end of the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment, but first let's take another quick

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<v Speaker 1>break to thank our sponsor. The original design for what

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<v Speaker 1>would become Have Blue would later evolve into the F

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<v Speaker 1>one seventeen stealth fighter. The original design was nicknamed the

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<v Speaker 1>Hopeless Diamond. The sketch was of an aircraft that vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>resembled the Hope Diamond and had lots of facets and

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<v Speaker 1>odd angles. No one was really sure if it would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to fly. The weird angles were part of

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<v Speaker 1>the stealth technology. It was all on effort to redirect

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.360
<v Speaker 1>those incoming radar signals so that they would not return

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>to the listing stations. They would bounce off into some

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<v Speaker 1>other directions, kind of like using a mirror to direct

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a ray of light and you just tilt the mirror

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>a different direction and the light goes a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>By redirecting the radar signals, it would seem to the

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>radar station that there was nothing in that region of

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>the sky. That was the whole idea. Much of the

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 1>work on the stealth technology took place on the most

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 1>famous secret base of all time, which of course is

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<v Speaker 1>Area fifty one or the Groom Lake Facility. I've talked

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>about this base numerous times in this podcast as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air Force would take over the program in the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen seventies and conduct flight tests all over the

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<v Speaker 1>Tonopah Test Range, which was seventy miles northwest of Area

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one. Some people would just call that Area fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>And another big project was in updating the old transit

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<v Speaker 1>navigation system. It was a satellite based navigation system that

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<v Speaker 1>u ARPA had been involved with in the early sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>This effort was to replace that with a more robust

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<v Speaker 1>satellite system. In nineteen seventy three, as America was withdrawing

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<v Speaker 1>from Vietnam, the Pentagon ordered a joint program for a

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<v Speaker 1>single navigation system that all the branches of the military

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>would be able to use, because at this point, these

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>various military branches had all been working on their own

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<v Speaker 1>systems which were not compatible with one another, and eventually

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>um the government said, this doesn't make sense. We should

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<v Speaker 1>have a more unified approach. So this new program was

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>called nav Star, and DARPA helped fund the development of

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>this program, which by was finally ready for full deployment,

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and it consisted of twenty four satellites with atomic clocks,

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>which was necessary for synchronization, and they were launched into

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>orbit to give global navigation coverage. This information could be

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>used not just to navigate people around the world, but

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>also for guided weapons systems. As part of the technology,

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>designers included what they called an offset feature. It was

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>it was known as selective availability, and it meant that

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't have the right kind of receiver to

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>descramble this information and get a readout, you would actually

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>get a result that would be off by several hundred feet,

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>which would limit the chances of someone unauthorized making use

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of the system, and it would also keep the GPS

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>network impractical for commercial use. That is until President Bill

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Clinton would end the era of selective availability and allow

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>civilian systems to access information with essentially the same precision

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>as military systems, and at that point GPS receivers were

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>accurate enough to be used for things like navigation and cars,

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>because before you would be you know, you would have

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like a precision of down two around a few hundred feet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not very useful when you're trying to look for

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<v Speaker 1>return anyway. During Vietnam, DARPA had funded a few drone

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>programs as well. These were very primitive drones compared to

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 1>what we have today, but it was the beginning of

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>serious work in unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance and for weaponization.

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>They were code named Prairie and Collare. Both were remotely

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>piloted vehicles or RPVs, and both used lawnmower motors and

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>could carry a payload of about twenty eight pounds or

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>twelve point seven kilograms. These would serve as prototypes for

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>work in the field, which DARPA would end up handing

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>over to the Armed Forces in nineteen seventy seven, DARPA

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>would fund another project for an unmanned aerial vehicle called

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Amber that was supposed to be a long endurance u

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a V that would get support from the Navy. As

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.479
<v Speaker 1>the project was proving promising, but in the late nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress would create a new Joint Program Office to continue

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>research and development for unmanned aerial vehicles and DARPA was

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>effectively removed from that process. DARPA would move on to

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.479
<v Speaker 1>pursue a new project called Assault Breaker, which had the

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>goal of bringing together many different disparate technologies in an

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>effort to make them work together in a system of systems.

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>This idea of we have all these pieces out there

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and they're all effective, but it would be better if

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 1>we could actually make a cohesive approach to this. So

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the goal was to create a means in which military

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<v Speaker 1>commanders would have an enormous amount of information at their

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<v Speaker 1>disposal and the capability of launching an attack on a target,

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<v Speaker 1>even if that target were well behind enemy lines. This

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>would require bringing together all of these different technologies that

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>DARPA had played a part in making a reality. Soviet

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Union spies learned about this program, Assault Breaker, and they

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>reported back to their superiors in Moscow, and as eventually,

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>military personnel in the Soviet Union wrote up a report

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>and published it in a journal called Military Thought. It's

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>actually a classified journal. Only a few high ranking officials

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>really had access to it. Well, high ranking Soviet officials

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and a few U. S. Spies, because, as we know,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone is spying on everyone else all the time, always.

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>So when US officials learned that the Soviet government was

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>worried that the US was building up a program that

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>would give America this incredible advantage in both gathering intelligence

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and acting upon it, spirits started to run high in

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the US because if your enemy is scared, that's good

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>news for you. I guess. One cool project that started

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:42.719
<v Speaker 1>independently from Darba was one that would eventually be called simnet.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was an Air Force pilot named Jack Thorpe

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<v Speaker 1>who was thinking about the possibility of networked flight simulators

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of training pilots, you know, combat training

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>without actually having to go up in a real jet.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had experienced this on a small scale ld.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not something he just came up with on

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<v Speaker 1>his own. He had already had sort of this experience

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>in a system that was at the Flying Training Division

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of Williams Air Force Base, and that system would allow

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>two pilots to simulate flying emission together. The simulator was

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>complete with hydraulic motion system, so it move you as

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you're piloting the simulated aircraft. But again it was just

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>a pair of these simulators that worked together. Thorpe wondered

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>if perhaps it would be possible to build out a

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>much larger system with multiple UH simulators all connected to

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>each other to allow for more complex training. Thorpe wrote

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>up a paper titled Future Views Aircrew Training nineteen eighty

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>through two thousand. This was in n when he wrote this,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and he pitched his ideas to top Brass, but they

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't take it very seriously. To be fair to them,

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the tech that Thorpe was proposing was incredibly sophisticated for

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.040
<v Speaker 1>the time, and also not many people really knew that

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>much about the progress that ARPA net had been making

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>in networking different computer systems together, so no one was

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>really sure how feasible this was. Thorpe would go on

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.799
<v Speaker 1>doing his career and then he would go to the

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Naval War College to further his education, and after getting

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>out of that he was assigned sort of on loan

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>by the Air Force to DARPA. While he was at DARPA,

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>his boss asked him, hey, gun, any interesting ideas, you know,

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>beyond what you're working on. So Thorpe shared his vision

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>of these networked simulators, and his boss loved this idea

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and told Thorpe that you should tell this to Larry Lynn,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.479
<v Speaker 1>who was then the director of DARPA. Larry Lynn liked

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it a lot too, and so yes, Thorpe, how much

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>money do you think it would cost to do this project?

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And Thorpe said seventeen million dollars and Lynn said, okay, doky.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>So the program began and it became known as Simulator

0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Networking or sim net. DARPA would contract with delt A

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Graphics Incorporated, Perceptronics Incorporated, and bb IN Incorporated to help

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>build out the system, and they would subcontract with other

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>companies to build all these simulators. And they weren't just

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>aircraft simulators. They built tank simulators and other stuff too,

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>and they networked them all together. The advantages of these

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>simulators over real world training were numerous. Real world combat

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>training is obviously very dangerous for some scenarios such as

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you want to operate your aircraft, but you

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:35.279
<v Speaker 1>also want to jam the sensors on that aircraft. Not

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>only is that very dangerous because you're taking away some

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of the information that the pilots are relying upon, it's

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>also potentially problematic because depending on where you're flying these

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>these training missions, using that jamming technology can affect other

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like commercial flights, or maybe the the airspace of allies,

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>or maybe people who aren't your allies. It could be

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>really really touchy. But if you simulate it, you can

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>do pretty much any scenario that the computer is capable

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>of running. So also, because the systems were networked in theory,

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>you could have people in different parts of the world

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>all training together. You didn't have to get them all

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in the same place at the same time, though, you

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>would have to figure out something about lag and latency

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>for these systems. Symnet in a way was a precursor

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>to online games that millions of gamers play these days,

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>like M M O RPGs. They can kind of trace,

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>uh what not necessarily trace their history back. But symnet

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>was definitely a precursor to that kind of stuff. There

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>are many more technologies the DARPA helped fund In the

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, there were xemer lasers. These were used in

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>communications platforms between aircraft and submerged submarines. They needed to

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>develop special lasers in the short wave range of lasers.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>The longer wavelengths didn't have good penetration in the water,

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>so you couldn't really use them to communicate with a submarine.

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>But there was this need to communicate with submarines because

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>at that point, really the only way a submarine could

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>communicate with the surface is if the submarine itself surfaced,

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and obviously that puts the submarine in a vulnerable position.

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Being able to use these short wave lasers and have

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>them penetrate the water reach the submarine and have the

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>submarine be able to respond opened up communication in ways

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that weren't possible before. DARPA also contributed some of the

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>components for the Hubble Space Telescope. The agency would design

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and help build two antenna booms for the satellite telescope

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteen seventies and early nineties. DARBA pioneered

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>the development of a special graphite and aluminum material that

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 1>would allow the booms to not just conduct radio frequencies

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>but also double as structural supports. So these structural supports

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 1>that made made the overall telescope lighter. The material was lighter,

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>it removes some of the need for some extra infrastructure.

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And again, if you make your payload lighter to send

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>off into space, you bring the price down. So weight

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>is money, So it was a cost saving feature. It

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>took the better part of a decade for DARPA to

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>recover in the wake of the Vietnam War. The agency

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>changed a lot in the nineteen seventies. And we're gonna

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>leave off for now. We're gonna say goodbye to DARPA

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>for the time being, but I will come back to

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>revisit the agency and the projects that funded over the

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>following decades in future episodes. So we'll talk about things

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like star wars and autonomous cars and spying on World

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of Warcraft players and more, because DARPA played a role

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in all of that kind of stuff. It's a fascinating story.

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And again, because of the work that DARPA has helped fund,

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 1>we have access to some pretty incredible technologies that you know,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>rolled out a few years later based on that early work.

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's definitely benefited us in many, many ways. The

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>agency has also created stuff that's been at best controversial

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and it worst incredibly incredibly harmful, like Agent Orange is

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the one to point to easily as being a truly

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>terrible thing. So you take the good, you take the bad,

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you take them both, and there you have DARPA. I

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.480
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