1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: What is marijuana doing to your brain? And what about alcohol? 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: How can you prevent Alzheimer's. Renowned brain specialist, doctor Daniel 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Aman joins me with brain hacks we can all use 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: on this edition of the Royal Grande Show. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Come on, I'm raiming an arroyo. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to a Royal Grande. Subscribe now to the show 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts and turn 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: those notifications off. Did you see this disturbing story? Young 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: adults are turning to pacifiers? 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Are you newborn? 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: Not only will this destroy your teeth that I'm sure 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: your parents paid thousands to fix, but you look like 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: a fool. One of these passi addicts said quote. When 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm under pressure at work, I feel a sense of 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: safety from childhood. Well, are you going to start wearing 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: diapers again? For that childhood all underfeel? We send a 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: bouncy seat and a playpen to your dorm or your cubicle. 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: Just stop. Psychologists have a term for this. It's called regression. 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: Leave the stuff of your childhood behind and act like 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: an adult. You need to develop adult coping skills. Move 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: along now, someone who could help these folks. Doctor Daniel 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Amin is a neuroscientist and psychiatrist who spent his life 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: teaching people how to heal their brains. We've been told 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: marijuana use is fine, it's harmless. Studies say it is not, 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: and what's causing the dementia epidemic. Doctor Daniel Aman has 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: lots of answers. Tell me about marijuana use. We talked 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: about this in passing. But you see all of these 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: states legalizing this. So many young people, so many young 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: men use it just the way you would smoke a 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: cigar or have a drink. In fact, it's a daily 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: in fact, multiple practice a day. And I'm often told 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, by people who you do it regularly. Look, 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: it just mellows me out. It has no long term effect. 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: You studied this, what did you find and how does 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: it affect the brain? 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: So I studied it. I mean, I've been studying it 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 3: for thirty four years now with image and their brains 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: look older than they are. It's not good for the brain. 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: And then I published a study on a thousand marijuana users. 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: Every area of their brain is lower in blood flow 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: and activity. And then just a couple of weeks ago 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: in Jamas Psychiatry, there's an article not from my group, 43 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: from a completely separate group. On a thousand marijuana users, 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: the learning and memory centers of their brain significantly lower 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: in activity. And it's common knowledge among psychiatrists, and studies 46 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: show that teenagers who use, and teenagers in massive numbers 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: now think it's harmless and doing it with their parents. So, 48 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the insanity that's happening in our society. 49 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: And teenagers who use in their twenties increase anxiety, depression, suicide, 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: and psychosis. This is not okay. Now, I'm not a fan. 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: If you're smoking pot for them to arrest you and 52 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: send you to jail, I don't think that's a good 53 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: use of our resources. But we need and President Trump 54 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: talked about this when he was at the Department of Justice. 55 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: It's we need a serious brain health education, a drug 56 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: prevention education program. And I don't know if you know, 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: but after I listened to him, all how much does 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: Anheuser Bush spend a year in marketing? Because the President 59 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: said he raised like fifty million this campaign. Heyser Busch 60 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: spends six point eight billion dollars a year on sales 61 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: and marketing. I'm like, we spend what almost a trillion 62 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: dollars on our defense budget. You're much more likely to 63 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: die from depression, suicide, obesity, dementia than you are from 64 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: a nuclear warhead. And shouldn't we be serious about having prevention? 65 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: A Department of Defense for brain health and my big goal, 66 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: maybe you can help me with it. I would create 67 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: a brain health revolution, and I think this administration is 68 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: the only one that can do it. 69 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Does marijuana use Does it make you more susceptible to Alzheimer's? 70 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Imagine it does because you're constricting blood flow. 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: Yes, because it is not It does not give you 72 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: a healthy brain over time. That the studies. Because it's 73 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: only been legal for a very short time, there are 74 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: no great long term studies. But if I wanted to 75 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: prevent Alzheimer's and I had it in my family, I 76 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: absolutely wouldn't use it. 77 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've always been and long fascinated by your work. 78 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: The center of it seems to my eye, at least 79 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: the taking of these three despect images of the brain. 80 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: How did you come upon spect imaging? Why do you 81 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: use that in your practice? 82 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, you know, psychiatrists are the only medical doctors who 83 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: virtually never look at the organ they treat, and when 84 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: I became a psychiatrist. Decided to be a psychiatrist in 85 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine. I knew that was wrong, and I 86 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: knew it would change. I just had no idea i'd 87 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: be part of it. Nineteen ninety one, I went to 88 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: a lecturer on brain spect imaging. It's a new clear 89 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: medicine study that looks at blood flow and activity. It 90 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: looks at how your brain works, and it basically shows 91 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: you three things good activity, too little, or too much. 92 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: And you've heard it. Set of pictures worth a thousand words, 93 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: but a map is worth a thousand pictures. A map 94 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: tells you where you are and then gives you direction 95 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: on how to get to where you want to go. 96 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I saw with spec you would 97 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: come in. I published a brand new paper out yesterday 98 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: in Jamma's Psychiatry, so one of the best journals in 99 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: the world on depression. And what we showed is when 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: you lump fifteen thousand people with depression, you see overall 101 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: pretty severe low activity in the brain. But having treated 102 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: people for over thirty years, it's like they're not all 103 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: the same. Some have low activity, some have high activity, 104 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: some look like they have toxic exposure from drugs, alcohol, 105 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: or mold. Some look like they have infections, some look 106 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: like they have head trauma. And if you don't look 107 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: at the individual person in front of you, you actually 108 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: have no idea what's going on in their brain. And 109 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: throw trying this medicine, that medicine, This treatment is like 110 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: throwing darts in the dark. And I just became a 111 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: heck of a lot more effective when I would look. 112 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: And then the other big benefit is people fell in 113 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: love with their brains and they started treating them better. 114 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: So they're smoking less pot, they're drinking less alcohol, they're 115 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: eating less bad food because they get engaged in wanting 116 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: a better brain. 117 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Raymond, how does dementia present, for instance, when you 118 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: look at these scans, and how early can you see it? 119 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: So Alzheimer's disease actually starts in the brain decades before 120 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: you have any symptoms. But Alzheimer's is only one of 121 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: ten different dementia categories, and spec actually helps to distinguish 122 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: between is it frontal temporal lobe dementia, the kind of 123 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: dementia Bruce Willis has is Alzheimer's disease? Is it vascular dementia? 124 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: Is it alcoholic dementia's Louis body dementia, what Robin Williams had. 125 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: And I wrote a book in two thousand and five 126 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: called Preventing Alzheimer's and got no end of grief for 127 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: writing it. It's like, no, you can't do that. Don't 128 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: give people false hope. And last year in the Lancet 129 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: there was an article that said fifty percent of Alzheimer's 130 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: disease is preventable, and I think everybody should be scanned 131 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: at fifty but if you have it in your family, 132 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 3: you probably should be scanned when you're forty. 133 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: But doctor, I want to just stop you one second. 134 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Why not use a PET scan or an MRI, which 135 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm told is more advanced and gives you clearer imaging. 136 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's not true. And MRI is a structural study. 137 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: And the problem is functional study. Functional problems always start 138 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: before you see structural problems. And SPECT and PAT are 139 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: cousins to each other. PAT does have a little bit 140 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: better resolution, but no one in the world has the 141 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: experience we have at Amen Clinics, where we've done over 142 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty thousand scans on people from one 143 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five countries. So and we actually are 144 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 3: able to use AI now to read the scans as 145 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: if they were my eyes, and we're very excited about it. 146 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: And I believe that we can prevent much of dementia 147 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: if and here's the plan. You want to keep your 148 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: brain healthy or rescue it, you have to prevent or 149 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: treat the eleven major risk factors that steal your mind. 150 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: And we know what they are. That for example, if 151 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: you're overweight, that increases your risk. If you abuse drugs, 152 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: that increases your risk. If you're depressed, that increases your risk. 153 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: But a brand new study out I'm actually going to 154 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: post on it tomorrow that people on SSRIs like prozag 155 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: zolof lexapro selexa, if you have dementia and you're on 156 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: one of those medications, it accelerates memory loss. Really, those 157 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: medications are inhibitory. They increase serotonin. Serotonin calms things down 158 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: in the brain, So if you have a busy brain, 159 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: they're the right thing for you. But dementia generally is 160 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: a sleepy brain, and they actually can make things worse. 161 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: But again, how would you know if you didn't look. 162 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: I often feel like Galileo, who was imprisoned at the 163 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: end of his life. What did Galileo do? He developed 164 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: a high powered telescope, looked at the stars and said, 165 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: the Earth is not the center of the universe. 166 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it all wrong. And of course look, 167 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: but he was eventually proven, and even the Church caught 168 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: up and forgave Galileo and themselves, I think in the mix. 169 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: But look, doctor am Alzheimer's and this is something that 170 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: affects millions of us, millions of families. The effects of 171 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: this disease currently hit seven million people, and it's expected 172 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: to triple in the coming decades. Tell me what is 173 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: fueling it? What is fueling the explosion in Alzheimer's that 174 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: we're seeing? And I imagine the isolation of this pandemic 175 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: will only exacerbate things in the years to come. 176 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,479 Speaker 3: The pandemic did so many bad things for our society 177 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: as a whole. COVID all by itself causes inflammation in 178 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 3: the brain and increases the risk of anxiety, depression, and dementia. 179 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: And then if you add well, they locked us at home, 180 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: so the isolation. They left the liquor stores open, so 181 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: the isolation. More alcohol. They left us at home, so 182 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: they ate bad food, so obesity continued to climb, and 183 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: of the eleven major risk factors, if you're overweight, you 184 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: automatically have ten of them. We have to be serious 185 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: with seventy five percent of the population overweight, forty three 186 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: percent obese, there's nothing about this that's okay. When it 187 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: comes to brain health. 188 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: Well, doctor Imutt, what are the primary early indicators you 189 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: see of dementia? What are the things when people walk 190 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: in the door, you see these things that some probably 191 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: take for granted, you know, their minor thing. What should 192 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: we be on the lookout for. 193 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: If your memory is worse than it was ten years ago, 194 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: you should be a concern because there's an eighty percent 195 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: chance continue to get worse. If you're starting to make 196 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: poor decisions, if you say things that hurt others people's 197 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: feelings and that's not been sort of the story of 198 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: your life. So you look at memory, decision making, socialization. 199 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: Some people who start losing their memory start to isolate 200 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: themselves because they're like, I just don't remember people's names anymore, 201 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: and I'll be embarrassed. So that is something. They start 202 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: having more accidents because if you put your thumbs in 203 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: your ears and your hands on your head. That's the 204 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: pattern for Alzheimer's disease. So it's by lab prietalone decreased activity. 205 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: That's why people get lost, and it's why people get 206 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: into more accidents because this is direction sense and depth perception, 207 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,479 Speaker 3: and then your temporal lobes that's memory and also recall 208 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: of things like names and places and Raymond, we're diagnosing 209 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: this later than ever before because of smartphones. Because before 210 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: someone who'd lived in a city for thirty years, they 211 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: wouldn't they'd forget how to go home. They would family 212 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: from a phone both and go on lost and they'd 213 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: be freaked out and their family would bring them in 214 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: to see me. But you know, now since two thousand 215 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: and seven, you can go, hey, Siri, take me home. 216 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: And so we're actually and people don't want to see 217 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: it in their family, and so they often denied, deny 218 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: until there's overwhelming evidence. And I'm like, I think we 219 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: should be screening everybody. And another reason we're seeing it 220 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: more is because of the obesity epidemic. 221 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you that how does 222 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: obesity affect the brain? What is the tangible impact of 223 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: obesity and you said it seventy five percent of the 224 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: population is obese. Doctor, what impact does that have when 225 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: you look at these brains. 226 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: So I published three studies on thirty three thousand people 227 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: showing as your weight goes up, the size and function 228 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: of the brain goes down. And that should scare the 229 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: fat off anyone. And so if you look at the 230 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: eleven major risk factors, being overweight decreases blood flow, it 231 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: prematurely ages your brain. Fat cells store produce something called 232 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: inflammatory cytokines, so you have more in flammation in your body. 233 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: It changes genetic expression, fat stores toxins, your more risk 234 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: for mental health stuff like depression. It changes your immune system. 235 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 3: One of the worst things it does is it takes 236 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 3: healthy testosterone and turns it into unhealthy, cancer promoting forms 237 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: of estrogen. Yeah, it's very disruptive, and I never mean 238 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: to fat shame anyone, but it's like, if you can't 239 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: tell the truth in our society, this is not good 240 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: for the health of your brain or body. And you know, 241 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: we've sumericized everything and when you go to a restaurant 242 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: they give you these crazy meals. We need to be 243 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: way more thoughtful of what we put in our bodies, 244 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: which is why I'm a huge fan of you know, 245 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: RFK Junior, and it's like, well, let's at least talk 246 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: about getting help. 247 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I like in one of your books you 248 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: say when you go to dinner, go to dinner with 249 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: a very fit person because that will inevitably restrain what 250 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: you order, because you know you don't want to be 251 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: embarrassed in somebody who's in great shape. Give me a 252 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: sense that you mentioned there a moment ago reduced blood flow. 253 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I was stunned when I read in one of your books, 254 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: and we read about this across the culture. You see 255 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: these ads every time you turn around, erectile dysfunction this, 256 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: and erectile dysfunction that. That is actually a marker that 257 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: you cite as an early indicator of dementia. Well, you have. 258 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: Blood flow problems anywhere. They're everywhere. And one of the 259 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: biggest benefits, like I shouldn't say it that way, one 260 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: of the benefits of getting on one of our brain 261 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: health programs is your sex life gets back. You know 262 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: with blood flow. What are you doing that decreases blood flow? Caffeine, nicotine, 263 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: being sedentary, alcohol, marijuana, And what are you doing to 264 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: increase blood flow, which is exercise, beats, oregano, cayenne, pepper, ginko, 265 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: one of my favorite suppoints. 266 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: Tell me about the effect of trauma. Doctor this. You know, 267 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: we often hear about you know, depression, and you know 268 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: obesity and the physical body affecting the brain. But in 269 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: your books you talk about the effect of trauma, not 270 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: necessarily physical trauma, but emotional trauma on the brain. 271 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: So he published a huge new study this year on 272 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: seventy five hundred people looking at adverse childhood experiences. So 273 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: there's an ace questionnaire on a scale of zero to ten, 274 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: how many bad things happened to you growing up, from physical, 275 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: emotional sexual abuse, to neglect, to being raised by a 276 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: parent with mental illness, addiction, going to prison. If you 277 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: have four more that you have an increased risk of 278 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: seven of the top ten leading causes of death. If 279 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: you have six or more, you die twenty years earlier. 280 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: And so we studied them and what we found is 281 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: childhood trauma activated the limbic or emotional circuits in the brain, 282 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: making you at greater risk for anxiety, depression, worry, and obsessiveness. 283 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: And the exciting news is if you see it well, 284 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: then you can calm it down. But if you never look, 285 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: you don't now is the brain working too hard or 286 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: not hard enough. 287 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: You write about people who obsess over perceived wrongs. I 288 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: read this in one of your books recently. It's like 289 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: they're recycling and they're revisiting all those wounds of the past. 290 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: They keep them very much alive. How do you get 291 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: past that? You're a psychiatrist, what would you advise people? 292 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 3: Well, I teach my patients to kill the ants, the 293 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: automatic negative thoughts that steal their happiness. I never want 294 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: people drinking away their pain or medicating their pain. I 295 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: want them to go into it and actually so write 296 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: it down. Whenever you have a thought, your brain releases chemicals. 297 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: Whenever you have a happy thought, a hopeful thought, your 298 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: brain release is completely different set of chemicals that make 299 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: you feel good. But when you have a grudge thought, 300 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: an angry thought, a hopeless, helpless thought, your brain release 301 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: is chemicals that increase your limbic brain, but also increase 302 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: cortisol and make you more likely to be sick. So 303 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: one of the things to do, here's the exercise. Whenever 304 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: you feel sad, mad, nervous, or out of control, write 305 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 3: down what you're thinking and then ask yourself is it true? 306 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: Is it absolutely true? How do I feel when I 307 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: have this thought? How would I feel if I didn't 308 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 3: have the thought? And then what I really love is 309 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: take the original thought my wife never listens to me. 310 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: Turn it to the opposite, my wife listens to me, 311 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: and then meditate on that, and what you find is 312 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: you stop letting your undisciplined mind torture you, and you 313 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 3: think in a more realistic, rational, hopeful way, and it's 314 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: our I'd love the idea of give your mind a name, 315 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: and that way you can gain some distance from it. 316 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: In my mind after my pet raccoon when I was sixteen, 317 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: and I loved her, but she was a troublemaker of 318 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: all sorts of trouble, which is just my mind and 319 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: like stirs up stuff that doesn't help me. And I'm 320 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: not a fan of accurate thinking of positive thinking. I'm 321 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: a fan of accurate thinking with a positive spin. Because 322 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: we have a new study coming out on negativity bias, 323 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: and that's very bad for yourself. 324 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say. In 325 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: all of your books, you write about the stories we 326 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: tell ourselves about ourselves, about our relationships. That does have 327 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: a supreme and major influence on your health, your mind, 328 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: and your brain's well being, which is something you just 329 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: don't think about. 330 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: Well, there's nowhere in school. Think about this with me, Raymond. 331 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: There's nowhere in school where we teach children how to 332 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: manage their minds. Isn't that crazy? Like I was twenty 333 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: eight years old in my psychiatric residency at the Walter 334 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: Reed Army Medical Center, and one of our professors said, 335 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 3: you have to teach your patients not to believe every 336 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: stupid thing they think. And I'm like, but I believe 337 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: every stupid thing I think, and it caused me no 338 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: end of grief. And now when I have a thought, 339 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: I realize, oh, it's just a thought that I don't 340 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: have to attach to it. I can question it and 341 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 3: I can go, well, does this thought serve me? Does 342 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 3: this thought helpful for me? 343 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: Well? 344 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: This thought help me have a better relationship with my wife, 345 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: do better job with my patients. And if it doesn't 346 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: serve me, I'm like, I don't need you. It's not 347 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: you have that make you suffer, it's the thought. Seinfeld 348 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: once said, the brain is a sneaky organ. We all 349 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: have weird, crazy, stupid sexual, violent thoughts that nobody should 350 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: ever hear. And you know people where they have no filter, 351 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: like whatever they think gets out of their mouth. And 352 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 3: that's usually because their frontolobes or sleepy. They don't break 353 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: in their brain. Because when people come to me and 354 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: they go, you know, I'm brutally honest, my first thought 355 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: is that's usually not helpful. 356 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Well, you mentioned Walter Reid where you did 357 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: your residency, and I want to get to that in 358 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: the moment. Because I'm reading all your books, I thought, 359 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: I'll bet that Walter Reid experience was pretty foundational for you. 360 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: But I want to get to that in the moment. 361 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: The most important thing I need to tackle now, how 362 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: can you protect yourself doctor, from Alzheimer's, especially if it 363 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: runs in your family. What are the practical things people 364 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: can do right now? 365 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: Well, so if we go through the eleven major risk factors, 366 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: I'll just give you one simple thing for each of them. 367 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: So the acronym is Bright Minds and the B is 368 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: for blood flow. Low blood flows. The number one brain 369 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: imaging predictor of Alzheimer's disease walk like you're late forty 370 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: five minutes, four or five times a week. You should 371 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 3: do that if you haven't. In your family, are's retirement 372 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: and aging. New learning. Every day ten minutes, learn something new, 373 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: something that you don't know how to do, that you're 374 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: not good at. Push your brain to learn. The eye 375 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: is inflammation. There's so many things you could do there. 376 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: Floss your teeth, take really great care of your gums, 377 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: and take fish oil Bega three fatty acid because it's 378 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: anti inflammatory. The g is genetics, and we don't think 379 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: about genes right. You may have an appoefgen one or 380 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: two of them that increases your risk. I think all 381 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: of us should know. But jeans aren't a death sentence. 382 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: What they are is a wake up call. If I 383 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: had it in my family, I'm going to be on 384 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: an Alzheimer's prevention program my whole life. Age's head trauma 385 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 3: a major cause of dementia that very few people know about. 386 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 3: If you've had head injuries, concussions, car accidents, got your 387 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 3: bell rung, plane sports. I'm a huge fan of hyperbaric oxygen. 388 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: I mean, but what, Raymond, we got a look. If 389 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: you don't look, you don't know. Tea is toxins. Stop 390 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: thinking of alcohol as a health food. The American Cancer 391 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: Society for Goodness Sakes came out three years ago and 392 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: said it increases the risk of seven different types of 393 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: can alcohol is pro dementia and pro depression. 394 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Any kind of alcohol, any kind of alcohol, wine, everything. 395 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: Everything, and they're empty calories. So and they cause you 396 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: to say things you shouldn't say. 397 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: Well, wine is good for you because of the blood flow. Oh, 398 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: the Italians do it, the French drink it. Look how 399 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: healthy they are. You don't agree with that line. 400 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: It's a lie. We've been sold a bill of goods. 401 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: Even this year, the Surgeon General came out and said 402 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: you shouldn't drink because of its association with cancer. M 403 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: is mental health. So learn to not believe every stupid 404 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: thing you think. Because depression. If you're a girl, a female, 405 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: and you have depression, it doubles your risk of Alzheimer's disease. 406 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: If you are a male, it quadruples your risk. 407 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: And how is that? 408 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: And it could be because what we saw in the 409 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: study we just published this week, the low activity in 410 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: the brain. But it also with depression comes memory problems, 411 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: comes isolation. And one of the types of dementia that 412 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: we see on spect is called pseudo dementia where it's 413 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: really severe depression that masquerades as dementia. Very interesting. The 414 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: second eye is immunity and infections. Know your vitamin D 415 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: level and get it high. I never wanted to be 416 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: in the bottom of my class. I always wanted the 417 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: top of my class. What is not a normal level? 418 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: What is an optimal level? 419 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: N is NEU. 420 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: Hormones. You should have your hormones tested every year at 421 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: like three patients today with low testosterone and all the 422 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: products we put on our body, they're hormone disruptors and 423 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: decrease your testosterone levels. And d is diabesity. Know how 424 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 3: many calories? Have a sense I eat this many calories 425 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: a day, I'm more likely to gain weight less. It's 426 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: not just calories, right, it's the quality of your calories. 427 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: But calories count to and then go to bed half 428 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: an hour early because sleep is absolutely essential. So those 429 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 3: are the bright minds and just some high level things. 430 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: People could read. My book Change your brain every day, 431 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: you know, of all my books, I think that's the 432 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: one to read because it's three hundred and sixty six 433 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: short essays on the most important things I've ever said. 434 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: And very practical you can do them every day, and 435 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: you encourage people to read them day by day because 436 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I've read them. How do you start your day? Doctor? 437 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: What's your routine? What do you eat when you begin 438 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the day, and do you have coffee? 439 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: So I start every day with today is going to 440 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: be a great day. I push my mind to look 441 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: for what I'm excited about. I end every day with 442 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 3: what went well today? And it's actually a pretty detailed practice. 443 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: I say a prayer and then I go hour by 444 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: hour looking for what I loved about the day until 445 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm asleep. I start with a decaf cappuccino that I 446 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: make for my wife and I with unsweetened almond milk 447 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: and a little bit of stevia put in creatine and 448 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: something we make called smart mushrooms. So it's just delicious. 449 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: Brand new study out on creatine. Not only does it 450 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 3: give you bigger muscles, it also helps to treat depression 451 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: and help my be sharper. Five grams of creatine. Very 452 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: excited about that, and then usually for me, I have 453 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: a couple of eggs and then later on I'll make 454 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: a shake for myself with a healthy protein powder and 455 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: nutrients in it and half a couple of blueberries. I'll 456 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: generally have a salad in the middle of the day, 457 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 3: and almost always in the morning, I go on a 458 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: long walk with our two dogs and my wife and 459 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: we sort of start the day connecting with exercise, and 460 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: then I look for what I love about the day, 461 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: to sort of the micro miracles. What are the littlest 462 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: things that I can find that make me happy and 463 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: like a butterfly or a hummingbird, or that first taste 464 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: of brain healthy hot chocolate I make at night, virtually 465 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 3: every night because my wife looks at me and goes 466 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: and this is like, do you love me? Will you 467 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: make me brain healthy hot chocolate? 468 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: Okay, now I want to go back to the beginning. 469 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: You did your psychiatric training at Walter Reed, which you mentioned. 470 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: What did that place and that particular cohort of clients 471 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: teach you that you've carried with you into this part 472 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: of your life and work. 473 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: So I was out of high school, I went into 474 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 3: the army because Vietnam was going on, and I became 475 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 3: an infantry medic where my love of medicine was born. 476 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: So after I finished got out of the army then 477 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: and finished college and medical school, I went back in 478 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: as an Army captain and served the military and their 479 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: dependence and just loved it because it was familiar to me. 480 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: I felt at home at Walter Reed. We saw all 481 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: the really unusual things in psychiatry that you typically don't 482 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: see in sort of a day to day outpatient clinic. 483 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 3: It was fun and fascinating and yeah, I learned so 484 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: much and loved my experience there. And then I'm also 485 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: a child psychiatrist. I did that in Triple Or Army 486 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 3: Medical Center in Hawaii. Completely loved Honolulu and my experience there, 487 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: But where I grew the most is a little place 488 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 3: in the middle of the Mahave Desert called Fort Irwin, 489 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: where I was the only psychiatrist for ten thousand people, 490 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 3: and I just loved it so much. And I brought 491 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 3: brain imaging technology too, because I'm the boss, and so 492 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: I just had to get my boss to approve it. 493 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: Where we started doing neuro feedback, where we could put 494 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: electrodes on your skale, start measuring brain activity, and then 495 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 3: based on what we saw, teach you to change it. 496 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: And that's where I got the idea, change your brain, 497 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: change your life, and that has really been foundational for 498 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 3: the rest of my career. So when I went to 499 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: the lecture in nineteen ninety one on brain spect imaging, 500 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: I'd already been thinking about it. I'd already primed. It's like, 501 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: if you don't look, you don't know. But you can 502 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: take bad brains and make them better. You can take 503 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: good brains and make them great. 504 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: Incredible, And the diversity of people I imagine that you 505 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: meet in the military, especially people coming back from from 506 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: war or hostile situations. I'm sure that's a very specialized 507 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: type of medicine as opposed to the generic folks that 508 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: walk through the door today. 509 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, a aman. Clinics, we see 510 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: a lot who have on average six medicines three point 511 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: three providers, and we've seen a whole bunch a very 512 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 3: interesting things. And we have a nonprofit foundation, Change Your 513 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 3: Brain Foundation, actually doing a special project now for firefighters. 514 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 3: Because I did the big NFL study when the NFL 515 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: was sort of lying it had a problem with traumatic 516 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 3: brain injury in football. It's like, stop lying about it. 517 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 3: Bad for the brain. But eighty percent of our players 518 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 3: got better. But what I realized afterwards, as much as 519 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 3: I love our football players, they're not heroes. They're entertainers. 520 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: Firefighters are heroes. And what we saw recently with the 521 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 3: devastation in California. In Los Angeles, our foundation raising money 522 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 3: specifically for firefighters to scan them treat them so that 523 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 3: they did You know firefighters have a forty percent increased 524 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 3: risk of suicide. 525 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: I did not know that about that time. 526 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 3: Why Why is that because of the toxic exposure? Wow, 527 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 3: the trauma. I talk about emotional trauma. Every day. They 528 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 3: spend time with people on the worst day of their lives, 529 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: and so you end up being retraumatized over and over again. 530 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 3: And often because of the machismo, it's like, oh, there's 531 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 3: nothing the matter with me, I don't need hell. They 532 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 3: end up medicating the trauma with alcohol. 533 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned in passing I don't want to 534 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: let this go before I move on, you said eighty 535 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: percent of the NFL players you worked with who had 536 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: experienced had trauma that they improved. How what did you 537 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: What did you give them to do? Was a medicaid? 538 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: Was it practice? 539 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: Now? It's actually a multiple vitamin high dose B vitamins 540 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 3: because there are a number of studies that say B six, 541 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 3: B twelve and foliated in these particular dosages decrease the 542 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: conversion of mild cognitive impairment to Alzheimer's disease, and it 543 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: grew their hippocampus, major memory structure of the brain. I'm like, okay, 544 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 3: multiple vitamin with those doses of bees, high dose of 545 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 3: Omega three, fatty acids and nutrients found to increase blood 546 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: flow and activity like genko. So we put them on 547 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 3: this supplement protocol that and then told them to stop 548 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 3: doing things that hurt their brain, alcohol, marijuana, and so on. 549 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 3: That was it. Eighty percent of them is better now. 550 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: Incredible. 551 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 3: Also added later hyperbaric oxygen, which we found helpful, and 552 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 3: if they were depressed, we would add either supplements like 553 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 3: saffron or medication if needed. But eighty percent was just 554 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 3: on the nutrient programing a little bit of brain health education. 555 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: Doctor. I find, particularly when you talk to young people today, 556 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: they're wanderers, people who are just they're just wandering waiting 557 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: for the next experience, waiting for something to happen. You 558 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: developed something that has intrigued me for a long time. 559 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: It's called the one page miracle. Tell people what that 560 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: is and the power it has. 561 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 3: I love this exercise so much. It's actually the first 562 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 3: thing I do with all of my patients, on one 563 00:39:50,880 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 3: piece of paper, write down what you want relationships, work, money, physical, emotional, 564 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 3: spiritual health. What do you want? And then you ask yourself, 565 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 3: is my behavior getting me what I want? In one 566 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 3: of my books, I rewrote the twelve Step program, you 567 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 3: know that was actually written eighty five years ago to 568 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: help people with alcoholism and addiction. And you know, step 569 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 3: one in the twelve step program is my life is 570 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 3: out of control. And I'm like, no, that's not step one, 571 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: that's step two. Step one is, well, what the heck 572 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 3: do you want? What kind of relationship do you want 573 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: to have? What do you want to do at work? 574 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 3: What do you want with your money? What do you 575 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 3: want with your physical, emotional, spiritual health? Because then step 576 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 3: two becomes really easy. Is my behavior getting me what 577 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 3: I want? Or has in fact my life been hijacked 578 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 3: by a substance or a practice? 579 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: And what does it tell us that exercise about the 580 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: power of what we tell ourselves. I think we were 581 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: repeating our own heads. 582 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's intention. You have to tell your brain. Your 583 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 3: brain is the most complicated, beautiful, elegant organ in the universe. 584 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: But like any computer, you have to tell it what 585 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 3: to do. And if you tell it, oh, I want 586 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 3: a kind, caring, loving, supportive relationship with my wife, well 587 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 3: then when you get that thought that's rude. You just 588 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 3: don't say it because it doesn't help you get what 589 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 3: you want. I don't have any tattoos, and I actually 590 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: don't recommend them because there's new research coming out on 591 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 3: lymphomas and tattoos. But if I had, it would be 592 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 3: does it fit? Does my behavior today fit the goals 593 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: I have for my life? But you have to know 594 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 3: what you want and Freemond, I find so many people, 595 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 3: like ninety five percent of my patients, when I do 596 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 3: this exercise with them, they hadn't really thought about it. 597 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 3: They spent more time thinking about their vacation than what 598 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 3: they really want in their lives. 599 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: No, No, we plan, we plan our meals and we 600 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: plan our vacations more than we plan our lives. And 601 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: sometimes you got to invert that in one of your books, doctor, 602 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm a perpetual hummer. 603 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 2: I'm humming all day long. 604 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: When you know, when I walk out the door in 605 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: the morning, I'm humming or singing something. You talk about 606 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: the power of toning or humming share that with people. 607 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: That was kind of fascinating to me. How it can 608 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,439 Speaker 1: change your spirits and really rejuvenate you in some ways. 609 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 3: Well in a number of really important ways. It actually 610 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 3: increases your breath and increases your lung capacity by doing 611 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 3: that on a regular basis. Also, the tunes are activating 612 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: your cerebellum and your temporal lobe. So the cerebellum is 613 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 3: the Rodney Dangerfield part of the brain. Now I hate 614 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 3: a lot of young people have no idea who Rodney 615 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 3: Dangerfield is, which just ages me. But he is a 616 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 3: very famous comedian, hilarious, I get no respect. So the 617 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 3: cerebellum is ten percent of the brain's volume, but fifty 618 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 3: percent of the brain's neurons, and it is like the 619 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 3: master controller in your brain, and humming activates it, which 620 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 3: just will then turn on the rest of your brain. 621 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 3: And during the pandemic, we released a supplement I love 622 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 3: called Happy Saffron, and my assistant took it and the 623 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 3: next day she's humming at work. We're working from my house, 624 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 3: and I'm like, why are you humming? And she said, 625 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm just happy. 626 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,439 Speaker 1: You see, it's a symptom. It's a good thing. Well, 627 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: music is you know, it's the it's the it makes 628 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: the soul buoyant, and I guess the mind as well. 629 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 1: You wrote a book recently called Raising Mentally Strong Kids, 630 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: and it seems to me the major key here is 631 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: building of those relationships, bonding with that child. What is 632 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: the thing that parents often miss doctor? What do they 633 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: miss out on? I get? I know one of the 634 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: big ones is just authority, making themselves the authority there, 635 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: but doing it with love. 636 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 3: It's the relationship that too often devices are getting in 637 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 3: the middle of relationships and parents aren't spending the time 638 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 3: and they're not listening, and because of that, they often 639 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 3: feel guilty. So they overdo and they solve their children's problems. 640 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 3: And when you do that, you are building your self 641 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 3: esteem by stealing theirs, because self esteem actually comes from 642 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 3: feeling and acting in competent ways. I can deal with 643 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 3: this with this challenge. So when your child comes to 644 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 3: you and says I'm bored, rather than go well you 645 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 3: could do this, or we could do that, or have 646 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 3: you thought about this, go oh you're born. It's just 647 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 3: active listening. Repeat back what you're hearing and then let 648 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 3: them fill figure it out. Then go, well, I wonder 649 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 3: what you're going to do about it, and you know, 650 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 3: and if you've been solving all of their problems up 651 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 3: till now, they might have a meltdown. It's like I 652 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know, and it's like you figure 653 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 3: it out. 654 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, let them figure it out. I guess we're afraid though, 655 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: of giving kids too much responsibility. And I see a 656 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: lot of parents they never want to let their kids fail. 657 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: And I guess the flip side is the drill sergeant parent. 658 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: You know you're not good at anything, you'll never amount 659 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: to anything. What's the balance there? 660 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 3: Furmin kind? Whenever you don't know what to do, go 661 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 3: to those two words. The best parents are firm. When 662 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 3: they say something, they mean at and they expect it 663 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 3: to be complied with. But they're kind. I always say, 664 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 3: think of the best coach you ever had. The best 665 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 3: coaches notice what you do right, and they teach you 666 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 3: so you can be better. The worst coaches, the worst 667 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 3: parent notice what you do wrong, and they never let 668 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 3: you forget it. And so bonding requires time, actual physical time. 669 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 3: There's an exercise in the book I Love it's called 670 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 3: special time. Twenty minutes a day, do something with your 671 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 3: child your child wants to do, and during that time, 672 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 3: no commands, no questions, no directions, It's just time to 673 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 3: be together. If you're like, my child will never talk 674 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 3: to me, it's probably because you're not spending enough time 675 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 3: with them and you're not listening and then active listening. 676 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 3: Stop talking over them, stop trying to cram. You know, 677 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 3: the thirty or forty to fifty years of experience you 678 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 3: have in their heads, they're going to pick up just 679 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 3: by living with you, let you think and what you know. 680 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 3: Your job is to help them learn how to think, 681 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 3: and you do that through name asking thoughtful questions and 682 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 3: not giving them the answer. 683 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: Doctor, ADD and ADHD is exploding in kids. Do you 684 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: believe in the medical approach of medication giving them medicines 685 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: to cope or is there another approach? Is there another 686 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: way that perhaps we're missing here. 687 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 3: So Ever, since I've been a psychiatrist, every year they 688 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 3: say add is exploding, and so it's been exploding for 689 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 3: a long time. In fact, it is increasing in the 690 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 3: population in part because kids aren't exercising, kids aren't out 691 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 3: in the sunlight as much. As they were before. Their 692 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 3: devices are draining their dopamine availability, and we're feeding them 693 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 3: bad food. So if you take all of those things, yeah, 694 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 3: I can't. It's just a play for one of my grandkids. 695 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 3: And the number of overweight kids it's shocking. And if 696 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 3: you're overweight, you're not getting the exercise, You're getting a 697 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 3: lot of bad food that is going to cause your 698 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 3: brain to be more sluggish. Now, so first thing I 699 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 3: do brain healthy habits, exercise, and I like to put 700 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 3: people on an elimination diet for a month. Let's just 701 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 3: get rid of gluten, dairy corns, artificial dyes and sweeteners. 702 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 3: Two studies published in the Lancet kids who went on 703 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 3: eighty d kids went on an elimination diet, seventy two 704 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 3: percent lost their add and so let's start there. But 705 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 3: doesn't work, Omega three fatty acids can help zinc magnesium. 706 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 3: So then we'll go to a supplement men And then 707 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 3: if it doesn't work, I'm going to go to medicine. 708 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 3: Why because add is real and when left untreated, right, 709 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 3: if it's not because of devices or a low quality diet, 710 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 3: left untreated kids don't finish high school. Thirty three percent 711 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 3: of untreated add kids don't finish high school for incidence 712 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 3: of drug abuse, divorce, incarceration, and the medicine can change 713 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 3: their lives. And I write about it in my books 714 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 3: that several of my kids have add and the medicine 715 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 3: took them from being mediocre to straight A students. And 716 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 3: I just it's never about medicine or not, It's about 717 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 3: what's best for your brain. 718 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Somewhere in one of the books, or maybe a 719 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: mutual friend told me that you have collected, doctor Amon, 720 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: hundreds of penguins. Why do you collect penguins? They're in 721 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: your office, they're everywhere. 722 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit of an obsession. When my 723 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,440 Speaker 3: oldest who I adopted, was seven, he was really hard 724 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 3: for me, and I was talking to my supervisor, So 725 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 3: I'm in Hawaii at the time, talking to my child 726 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 3: psychiatry supervisor, and she said, oh, you should probably spend 727 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 3: more alone time with him, which was sort of the 728 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 3: last thing I wanted to do because he was argumentative 729 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,240 Speaker 3: and oppositional. And I took him to a place called 730 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 3: Sea Life Park, which is in Hawaii and it's like 731 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,880 Speaker 3: Marine World or SeaWorld, and we went to the Killer 732 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,760 Speaker 3: whale show and that was great, and the dolphin show, 733 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 3: which was fun, and the Sea Lion show, which was hysterical. 734 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day grabs my shirt 735 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 3: and he goes, I want to see Fat Freddy, and 736 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, who's Fat Freddy? He said the penguin, Dad, 737 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 3: don't you know anything, which is sort of our relationship. 738 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 3: And we went to that is the last show of 739 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 3: the day in this beautiful stadium on Oahu, and this 740 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 3: little fat Humboldt penguin comes on the stage, climb the 741 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 3: ladder to a high dive, goes to the end of 742 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 3: the board, balances on it, and then jumps in the 743 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 3: water and I'm like, holl of smokes. And then he 744 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 3: gets out of the water bowls with his nose, counts 745 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 3: with this flipper, jumps through a fire and I'm like 746 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 3: blown away with this little bird. And then at the 747 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 3: end of the show, the trainer asked Freddy to go 748 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 3: get something, and Freddy went and got it and he 749 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 3: brought it right back, and in my mind like time 750 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 3: stood still. I'm like, damn, I asked this kid to 751 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 3: get something for me, and he wants to have a 752 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 3: discussion for like twenty minutes, and I knew my son 753 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,839 Speaker 3: was smarter than the penguin, And so I went up 754 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 3: to the trainer afterwards, because you know, I'm a child 755 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 3: pskyiatry trainee. I don't know anything. I'm like, how'd you 756 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,400 Speaker 3: get the penguin to do all these really cool things? 757 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 3: And she looked at my son, and then she looked 758 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,760 Speaker 3: at me and said, unlike parents, whenever Freddy does anything 759 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 3: like what I want him to do, I notice him. 760 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 3: I give him a hug, and I give him a fish. 761 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 3: And the light went on in my head that even 762 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 3: though my son didn't like raw fish, that whenever he 763 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 3: did what I wanted him to do, I wasn't paying 764 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 3: any attention to him because I was like my dad. 765 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,320 Speaker 3: I was too busy. And I realized I was teaching 766 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 3: him to be bad as a way to get my attention. 767 00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 3: So I collect penguins to remind me to notice what 768 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 3: I like about other people way more than what I 769 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 3: don't like, because ultimately, every day you are shaping the 770 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 3: people in your life by what you notice. 771 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,760 Speaker 1: That is fascinating, such that may be the most brilliant 772 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 1: and smart, insightful, practical thing for me that I think 773 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: I've gotten out of today's conversation. Your constant refrain, doctor 774 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,399 Speaker 1: is we are not stuck with the brain we have. 775 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 1: We can do something practically to improve it, to reverse 776 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: the damage. What advice would you give people? What are 777 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: a few practical things they can do? 778 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 3: Every day? You are making your brain better or you're 779 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,399 Speaker 3: making your brain worse by what you do with it. 780 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 3: And if you want a better memory tomorrow, go to 781 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 3: better half an hour early tonight. When you ego to 782 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 3: eat something, ask yourself, do I love this? And does 783 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,840 Speaker 3: it love me back? Because you're in a relationship. I 784 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship, 785 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 3: but I have and I'm not doing it anymore. I 786 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 3: married my best friend and no, and I'm for certain 787 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 3: not doing it with food or that. 788 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: Well, doctor, I live in New Orleans. Everything I love 789 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,359 Speaker 1: is probably not good for me. So I just stay 790 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 1: away from the restaurants. It's the only way I can survive. 791 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,920 Speaker 1: Because everything you want that big sloppy pole boy, you 792 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: want that extra gumbo, but it will kill you. 793 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,240 Speaker 3: Do you just have to stop like wanting that woman? 794 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,880 Speaker 3: You know that is just going to break your heart. No, 795 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,359 Speaker 3: you want to look at it and go Oh that's 796 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 3: so nice. But I'm not consuming that because ultimately I'm 797 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 3: going to die. And you know, you got to ask 798 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 3: yourself what do you really want? And I know what 799 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 3: I want. I want energy, I want memory, I want clarity, 800 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 3: I want focus, I want passion. I want to fulfill 801 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,120 Speaker 3: the mission I'm on earth to do. That's what I 802 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 3: want in the moment. You know, I might want that 803 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 3: brownie with you know, vanilla ice cream and chocolates, so I'm. 804 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: Not tempting me, but really what. 805 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 3: I want, right, that's the urge of the moment. But 806 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 3: if you've been giving into the urges of the moment, 807 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 3: you're not going to live as long. 808 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 809 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: I've been watching the president for many years, covering him, 810 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I've been near him enough to see 811 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,920 Speaker 1: how he operates. Now, he violates some of the very 812 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: things that you advocate. I mean, he's drinking diet coke, 813 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't eat particularly well. He only sleeps three hours 814 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: a night. He told me this two weeks ago. But 815 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 1: he is very engaged. He's got a break next schedule. 816 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,360 Speaker 1: Give me a sense of the habits his brain habits 817 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: and how are they affecting his brain? Do you think so? 818 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 3: I don't think they're good for him, But yet I 819 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 3: want his brain so badly as anyone who was literally 820 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,080 Speaker 3: one of the most famous people in the world and 821 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 3: beloved to then run for president, to be hated, to 822 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 3: be lied about, maligned, impeached, indicted, almost assassinated, and yet 823 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 3: to show up every day consistently working hard for us. 824 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a brain. I'm so interested. And because 825 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 3: you're right, he doesn't sleep. It's bad for your brain. 826 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 3: He eats lousy out I hear with RFK on board. 827 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 3: He's trying to do better, which. 828 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: Is great McDonald's. 829 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 3: But you know, one of the things I think that 830 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 3: helps him so much is when he was a kid, 831 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 3: he went to Norman Vincent Peel's church, and Norman Vincent 832 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 3: Peel preached a long time, and he showed up a 833 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 3: lot to that church about how you think and our 834 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 3: resilience and positive thinking was there at a formative age 835 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 3: for him, and he's just the most resilient person. 836 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: That I'm amazed at his memory. Though, Doctor, you would 837 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: think somebody who's eating that way, drinking diet coke, for 838 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: God's sake, that they would have no recall. This man 839 00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,040 Speaker 1: can recall things from five months ago down to the 840 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: last detail. He sees hundreds of people a day, and 841 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 1: that it blew my mind. I mean this was just 842 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 1: very recently and he recalled not only where we were, 843 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,919 Speaker 1: but what was said and his reaction to it. That's 844 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,160 Speaker 1: pretty astounding for a seventy eight year old. 845 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 3: It's incredible and he's a very unique person for sure. 846 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: Doctor. I want to move on to something that I've 847 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 1: been meaning to ask you. What is the thing you're 848 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: encountering most in your practice now that you didn't see, say, 849 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:35,919 Speaker 1: five years ago. 850 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,480 Speaker 3: Well, long COVID for sure. Well we see with COVID 851 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,240 Speaker 3: and some with the vaccine is it activates the limbic 852 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 3: system in the brain and over time, so initially we 853 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 3: see what looks like an inflammatory bomb go off in 854 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:02,520 Speaker 3: the brain, and then over time it'll actually decrease blood 855 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 3: flow and activity. Oh my god, caring COVID is very important. 856 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Wow. Who would have thought that a vaccine could have 857 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: that kind of impact on your brain, not only in 858 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 1: the moment, but long term. So you're still seeing effects 859 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 1: of this, Yes, it's amazing. Doctor. What's the final word? 860 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: What would you advise people given the stressors that we 861 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: invite into our own lives with these devices, constant the 862 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: world coming in on you because of media. What would 863 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: be your final word to them to keep not only 864 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: your brain healthy but your soul healthy. 865 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 3: Well, I love the idea that you're not stuck with 866 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,680 Speaker 3: the brain you have. You can make it better. I 867 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 3: can prove it. And it starts by caring about your brain. 868 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 3: You know, very few people actually care about it. Nineteen 869 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 3: ninety one, when I started imaging, I didn't care about 870 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 3: my own brain. And I'm a double board certified psychiatrist 871 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 3: and was the top neuroscience student in medical school. But 872 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 3: when I saw it and it wasn't as healthy as 873 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 3: it could have been, I'm like, oh no, we have 874 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,520 Speaker 3: to make this better. Because your brain is involved in 875 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 3: everything you do, how you think, how you feel, how 876 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 3: you acting and get along with other people. So it 877 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 3: starts with caring, and then every day you just ask yourself, 878 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 3: is as good for my brain or bad for it? 879 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 3: And if you can answer that with information and law 880 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 3: of love of yourself, love of your mission, love of 881 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 3: the reason God puts you on earth, you just start 882 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,240 Speaker 3: treating it better and then you reap the benefits of that. 883 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Well, doctor Aman, I'm so thankful for the way you've 884 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: refocused us on not only our brain health. It's really 885 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 1: about our lives and living a full life with purpose, 886 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,200 Speaker 1: with clarity, and to be as vibrant as you can 887 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,600 Speaker 1: in it at every stage. I thank you for that 888 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 1: and hope to see you in person soon, Doctor Daniel 889 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Aman and the Aiman clinics. You've got how many now? 890 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Twelve twelve clinics. 891 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 3: I have eleven clinics from New York to Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, Florida. 892 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Theay. Wow. I don't know how you do it all, 893 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: but you do it, and you do it in good 894 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 1: spirits and so well. Thank you, Doctor Daniel Aman. Will 895 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: check in with you in the days ahead. Thanks Raymond, 896 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, here's the hole. I know some of 897 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: you don't want to hear it, but the marijuana and 898 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,640 Speaker 1: the even limited drinking is hurting your brain. That's my takeaway. 899 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: I also started walking regularly than I had in years 900 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: after talking to doctor Aiman. You know he's right. I 901 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,919 Speaker 1: feel more energized, more mentally present. So get out there, 902 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 1: start walking, and not to a bar or a dispensary. 903 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,400 Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back to Royal Grande soon, while 904 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: love a dry, narrow, constricted life, when if you it 905 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: with good things that can flow into a broad driving 906 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,240 Speaker 1: Arroyo Grande. I'm raiming Royo. Make sure you subscribe like 907 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: this episode, Thank you for diving in, and we'll see 908 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,440 Speaker 1: you next time. Arroyo Grande is produced in partnership with 909 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,800 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts and Divine Providence Studios, and is available on YouTube, 910 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts