Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: More entertaining than the NFC South from.
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Speaker 3: am Dan Hansis and I have heroes here. On the
Speaker 3: Flagship Program, Week twelve edition. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, how.
Speaker 4: Are you guys feeling good? The season has begun. We're
Speaker 4: after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: That's what they started. It's here. It started well. I
Speaker 5: would say we're more successful than the NFC South.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. Were better.
Speaker 3: I think we can make plays in the NFC South person,
Speaker 3: I think we could hit a couple holes, make a
Speaker 3: couple of catches, like I can do what Kyle Pitts does.
Speaker 3: Two for twelve every week.
Speaker 2: No problem. You know, it was a problem.
Speaker 3: For the first time since we've been doing this on
Speaker 3: a Sunday, this happened.
Speaker 6: Well, ladies and gentlemen, this is a first in my
Speaker 6: twenty something year broadcasting career. We have an alarm going
Speaker 6: off in the studios of NFL Red Zone right now
Speaker 6: in our studios here in Inglewood, California, we are being
Speaker 6: told we need to evacuate the building. We do not
Speaker 6: know the nature of the emergency. You can probably hear
Speaker 6: the alarm going right over the top of my right
Speaker 6: shoulder here, as it is something absolutely unprecedented for us.
Speaker 6: We have this game on the closest game, the Philadelphia
Speaker 6: and Buffalo game. Our control room needs to evacuate at
Speaker 6: this time. The studio in which I'm standing needs to
Speaker 6: evacuate at this time.
Speaker 2: We are all good right now. We're remaining calm, but we.
Speaker 6: Are following protocols as I'm sure you all would at
Speaker 6: your places of work, so Tucky continued, hopefully, although this
Speaker 6: game is in the fourth quarter, I can come back
Speaker 6: and give you a live update if.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott, that happened.
Speaker 3: It was a fire drill, and everybody should know that
Speaker 3: we're okay, We're safe.
Speaker 5: Wait did he just suggest that we would be doing
Speaker 5: the same thing that the other would be doing it
Speaker 5: their places of work if fire alarms went off in
Speaker 5: those places. Amazing.
Speaker 4: I thought it was good for team morale. We used
Speaker 4: to have fire alarms all the time over at our coman.
Speaker 2: God forsaken building.
Speaker 3: I think it was built on an ancient Indian burial,
Speaker 3: old ye Pall Center.
Speaker 4: It was a weekly and it was a nice time
Speaker 4: to see your coworkers. This was a little different because
Speaker 4: we were going out into the parking lot where the
Speaker 4: Chargers and Ravens Sunday night football game, the fans were
Speaker 4: getting ready for it, and it smelled like old Qualcomm
Speaker 4: out there. The weed was a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of a funk in the air, and then a mixture
Speaker 3: with the sausage and the peppers and the onions and
Speaker 3: it just cooking all around us. Reminded you of what
Speaker 3: we have sacrificed to be here in the studio all
Speaker 3: these years.
Speaker 1: And yet and everyone on their phone watching the game,
Speaker 1: and yet.
Speaker 3: Us going outside that building when there's a seventy thousand
Speaker 3: fans streaming in without our bodyguards also major security risk
Speaker 3: for us, but we were okay with that as well,
Speaker 3: and in the end everything worked out.
Speaker 2: I still don't know what the issue was, but.
Speaker 5: The issue feels mildly faked meal though. If fire truck
Speaker 5: did pull up at one point, I think costs about
Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars for the company when that happens.
Speaker 3: How about the old Trojan horse where the fire truck
Speaker 3: pulls up and then a bunch of like firefighters go in,
Speaker 3: but they're not really firefighters.
Speaker 2: One of those deals.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a shore like a water Gate operation.
Speaker 2: We're not safe right now? Right? Fun? Not so fun?
Speaker 2: Is all this happening during one of the games of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 3: Eagles Bills were able to kind of stay with the
Speaker 3: game on our iPhones and whatnot, But when we got
Speaker 3: back in the building, it was chaos on that field
Speaker 3: with some dramatics and yes, yet another Billy victor.
Speaker 7: First ten at the twelve, Perks and the gun Swift
Speaker 7: COEs in motion.
Speaker 8: Perks on a quarterback draw, he's at the five, he's
Speaker 8: in touchdown.
Speaker 2: Eagles at my hurts? Does are you killing me?
Speaker 9: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: He's amazing.
Speaker 10: No, there's a party that Liga Financial Field.
Speaker 5: At theles of ten and one.
Speaker 7: I want to win, You're wins.
Speaker 2: You're all invited. There's a part here at Lica Financial Field.
Speaker 2: Oh the bongos to the Eagles.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a bounce back from producer Eric
Speaker 3: after last week.
Speaker 5: Kind of noble of Eric. He's a Bills fan in.
Speaker 3: Right, bowing his head and saying, I dishonored the bongos
Speaker 3: last week, and to show you how important they are,
Speaker 3: I'm going to hand them out to the team that
Speaker 3: maybe just ended my team season.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good producer Eric.
Speaker 9: At job bigger than sports, guys at jobs bigger than sports.
Speaker 3: There is the call from Eagles Radio and it was
Speaker 3: dramatic indeed, because the Eagles, once again trailing at halftime,
Speaker 3: find a way getting a fifty nine yard field goal
Speaker 3: from their gifted kicker, and then Jake Elliott, and then
Speaker 3: after giving up a field goal in overtime, and then
Speaker 3: very near touchdown by the Bills, and a little bit
Speaker 3: of a miscommunication between Josh Allen and his receiver, Eagles
Speaker 3: take the ball, go right down the field and yes,
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts moves the Eagles to ten and one.
Speaker 2: Drama. What a game.
Speaker 4: This is just one of the best games of the
Speaker 4: season and one of the most confounding teams I can
Speaker 4: think of, because you give them all the credit in
Speaker 4: the world for finding a way to win each one
Speaker 4: of these games. But they're the rich Man Steelers right now.
Speaker 4: They have been out gained by at least one hundred yards,
Speaker 4: not just outgained, outgained by at least one hundred yards
Speaker 4: in four straight games, and they found a way in
Speaker 4: each one. And it's a heartbreaker for the Bills because
Speaker 4: they got their best from Josh Allen. I thought, God
Speaker 4: mode Josh Allen, who had some setbacks in this game.
Speaker 4: I know he had the inners, but James Bradberry made
Speaker 4: an incredible play on that one play. And what did
Speaker 4: he do to respond to that interception? He went on
Speaker 4: a go ahead touchdown drive late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: He answered Phillies couple of early touchdowns on the third
Speaker 4: quarter with his own Touchdownder, I don't want to hear
Speaker 4: anything about Josh Allen. He was very likely the best
Speaker 4: quarterback in the NFL today. And yet the Bill's defense,
Speaker 4: their best with all their injuries, might just not be
Speaker 4: good enough because they were great in the first half.
Speaker 4: They stymied Jalen Hurts to you know, under fifty yards passing,
Speaker 4: and in the second half when their defense or their
Speaker 4: offense was doing enough, at one point they give up touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 4: three and out game tyn field goal touchdown, And there
Speaker 4: was just no resistance at the end. And he just
Speaker 4: felt like Sean McDermott is spinning all these wheels on
Speaker 4: the dial defensively and they weren't going to get any pressure.
Speaker 4: And you give Hurts all the credit in the world
Speaker 4: of being able to bounce back from that first half
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 10: Wow.
Speaker 5: I mean the first half by Allen and Buffalo's defense
Speaker 5: was it, Jase. It gave me signals and ideas that
Speaker 5: this was the game that Bills fans were waiting for,
Speaker 5: and it just did not complete. I think of little
Speaker 5: moments like the James Cook drop on what would have
Speaker 5: been a very clear touchdown early no points on that.
Speaker 5: There was the moment where Hassan Reddick absolutely launched Josh
Speaker 5: Allen to the ground, ripped his jersey. It looked like
Speaker 5: a horse caller. Uh, they don't get that call. Instead
Speaker 5: they called Josh Allen for intentional grounding. Then Jalen Carter
Speaker 5: blocks of Bills would be field goal. It's like these
Speaker 5: little moments where it's like against Philadelphia in a raucous
Speaker 5: downpour in Philly, you gotta almost be perfect, and they
Speaker 5: were perfect in so many ways, but then you let
Speaker 5: the Eagles back in in that second half, and it's
Speaker 5: like the Eagles are imperfect to look at they were,
Speaker 5: they are not the version of the Eagles we saw
Speaker 5: last year at this time in the regular season, but
Speaker 5: you can't let them back in because they win two
Speaker 5: many different ways. Will always make the play.
Speaker 3: The Bills having winning time of possession of this game
Speaker 3: had over.
Speaker 10: For reminder that the Ravens and Chargers game is coming
Speaker 10: up at eight twenty two Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jim.
Speaker 3: The time of possession forty minutes and thirty seconds in
Speaker 3: favor of the Bills. Total plays ninety two to sixty five,
Speaker 3: total yards five TOHO five to three seventy eight. And
Speaker 3: yet here are the things that stand out to me
Speaker 3: everything Mark just said an allan interception in this game,
Speaker 3: and allan miscommunication with his receiver who was a Gabe
Speaker 3: Davis on an optical illusion from where our camera viewpoint
Speaker 3: was in overtime where it looked like it was going
Speaker 3: to be a walk in touchdown and instead in a
Speaker 3: choice route, the wide receiver goes one way, Alan throws
Speaker 3: it the other way, and then it's the defense. And
Speaker 3: it's like two things I hated about the way. And
Speaker 3: I know Eric agrees, you have a three point lead
Speaker 3: at the end of regulation. Why does it feel like
Speaker 3: to me that you're conceding the tie at that point
Speaker 3: in the game. You're playing very safe, You're letting the
Speaker 3: Eagles move right down the field into field goal position.
Speaker 3: It's almost like you're attempting. We don't want to lose
Speaker 3: this game, and if we can get if we can
Speaker 3: get out of this with a tie, it's a win.
Speaker 3: And yes, of course Elliott makes an amazing kick, so
Speaker 3: you can't kill the Bills, But I just didn't like
Speaker 3: how easily they let him into field goal possession, and
Speaker 3: then in overtime you get the field goal to go ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, even after the miscommunication, make a play. You need
Speaker 2: to make a play.
Speaker 3: You need to recover a fumble, you need to have
Speaker 3: an interception, you need von Miller stops spinning around near
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: You need to get a sack and be the closer.
Speaker 3: Again, they could not make a play, and that's why
Speaker 3: their season is in great peril.
Speaker 5: Net it's on the brink. They have a buy, then
Speaker 5: they have the Chiefs. After that. I you know, Greg,
Speaker 5: I know one thing true of your nuts, and I'm
Speaker 5: with you that after Jake Elliott made that fifty nine
Speaker 5: yard field goal, the Bills had time a little bit
Speaker 5: of time where they could have at least taken a
Speaker 5: shot down field to try to return and answer on
Speaker 5: their own. And they don't.
Speaker 4: They don't even do anything. They had twenty seconds. You're
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills. Your best chance to ever win the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl was ended by a drive shorter than twenty seconds.
Speaker 4: Like you had a time out, you also used one
Speaker 4: of your timeouts to supposedly ice Jake Ellie.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna ice him. He's in the rain. That
Speaker 1: gave him more power. He may not have make it
Speaker 1: if you didn't nice. Let's see.
Speaker 3: Let's hear that call, by the way, from Merril Reeves
Speaker 3: Jake Elliott in the rain in late November in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I mean, these kickers are better than ever and the
Speaker 3: Kickers Club is gonna be hopping tonight for Jake Elliott.
Speaker 2: Let's hear that call.
Speaker 8: He swings the leg with the same speed whether it's
Speaker 8: an extra point or sixty order.
Speaker 2: Let's see what he does here.
Speaker 5: Hold your breath, ball a spot, the kick is away, and.
Speaker 2: The kick is that's going over Tom.
Speaker 5: He is amazing, He amazing.
Speaker 2: What a kicker.
Speaker 1: Now, that's one of the all time kicks.
Speaker 4: I mean it's not gonna top you know Vinitari's one
Speaker 4: in the in the snow and regulation against the Raiders.
Speaker 4: But that is since we've been doing this show one
Speaker 4: of the most impressive kicks I've seen to do it
Speaker 4: in that spot and also have the knowledge that on
Speaker 4: the other side of the ball is Tyler Bass, Who's
Speaker 4: you know, a good kicker. I would say a top
Speaker 4: ten kicker usually has a kick blocked in this rain,
Speaker 4: hooks a kick in this rain, and I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 4: this is tough conditions to be kicking in.
Speaker 1: And Elliott pipes it from fifty nine.
Speaker 4: It would have been good from sixty and it just
Speaker 4: like so many one players would have changed the result
Speaker 4: potentially of this game. And you can always go back
Speaker 4: and do that. But ultimately, like the Eagles, best players
Speaker 4: made huge plays when it mattered, and Jake Elliott is
Speaker 4: one of those. Because for everything that you said, yep,
Speaker 4: Dan about them, you know, being a little too conflict,
Speaker 4: I I hear you that joeyaln Hurts was incredible, Like
Speaker 4: multiple things can be true. He made so many great
Speaker 4: plays in the second half of this game after playing
Speaker 4: a little paniced in the first half, including that third
Speaker 4: and fifteen throw where Zakias made a great.
Speaker 1: Play to catch that touchdown right.
Speaker 4: But the reality is, if Elliott doesn't hit that fifty
Speaker 4: nine yarder. The last sequence from the Eagles was, you know,
Speaker 4: one of their best players, Kelsey, having a penalty hurts
Speaker 4: them actually making pretty good pressure and hurts getting rid
Speaker 4: of the ball, almost fumbling it, but he got rid
Speaker 4: of the ball first and fifteen.
Speaker 1: Then they run the ball, kind of waste some time.
Speaker 4: Then another penalty on Kelsey, and then aj Brown catches
Speaker 4: a ball that almost was a fumble incomplete on third down,
Speaker 4: right right call, but like things could have changed, and
Speaker 4: if he catches that, they would have had a fire
Speaker 4: drill to have to try to kick that thing. And
Speaker 4: they're third and set, fourth and seventeen there because they
Speaker 4: didn't execute offensively. But that's what this Eagles team is about.
Speaker 4: Even though the defense was not good on this day,
Speaker 4: they made just enough plays too.
Speaker 3: I was referring greg though to uh at the point
Speaker 3: getting once it got to the other side of the fifty, Okay,
Speaker 3: then they why it just didn't think didn't see they were.
Speaker 1: Trying to that time off the clock, and it didn't
Speaker 1: work that At.
Speaker 5: One point though, the Bills were almost perfect on third
Speaker 5: and long, it was like they kept getting out of jam,
Speaker 5: getting into jams and getting out of them too, and
Speaker 5: it really came down to just like a handful of
Speaker 5: plays in this thing. I mean, it's like it looked
Speaker 5: in the first half to me like the rain and
Speaker 5: the terrible weather was affecting one team and not the other,
Speaker 5: and that was it was like I was surprised that
Speaker 5: that was Philadelphia, that it was affecting and then they
Speaker 5: come climbing back into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a couple of miscommunications too, and like
Speaker 4: there there was another throat that Alan Allen's receivers sold
Speaker 4: them out. They they were close so many times. We
Speaker 4: should point out the Eagles got bad news before this game.
Speaker 4: Lane Johnson didn't suit up, which is extremely rare.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then Fusher Cox left in the middle of this game.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter was going in and out. So they they
Speaker 4: found way despite those injuries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again another reminder that the Ravens and Chargers
Speaker 3: game is coming up at eight twenty two Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: As a group, Yes, we were equally mystified why that
Speaker 5: announcement was made. I say, buckly twelve to thirteen times.
Speaker 3: We we've we surmised that it had something to do
Speaker 3: with the game running late and the agreement in place
Speaker 3: with the Sunday night football coverage on NBC, and yet
Speaker 3: it didn't stop being annoying it.
Speaker 5: I think it was annoying to Nance after a point too,
Speaker 5: the skift happens.
Speaker 11: You cannot, Oh my god, you cannot lose that game, Buffalo.
Speaker 5: No, that's and yet it's a killer.
Speaker 3: And yet I have love for you Bills fans because
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind, I'm like, Josh Allen's
Speaker 3: gonna win this game.
Speaker 2: He had, He's playing so great, But somehow.
Speaker 3: They find a way. They're an organization, They're one of
Speaker 3: those teams starcross teams. They always seem to find a
Speaker 3: way in the round.
Speaker 5: How high the pressure is dialed up when they come
Speaker 5: out of their by with Kansas City and Dallas and
Speaker 5: back to back game, so.
Speaker 2: Right, they had to have this game. I think their
Speaker 2: season's over.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's over because I think we saw tonight.
Speaker 4: You know how good they can be offensively, and I
Speaker 4: think they can be better defensively than this.
Speaker 1: They didn't close the game.
Speaker 4: But I do agree that the specter of both these
Speaker 4: teams schedule is hanging over this game. Because Philly's got
Speaker 4: San Francisco in Dallas next and if they had lost
Speaker 4: this game, it would have felt like, oh wow, suddenly
Speaker 4: the Eagles are actually in a little bit of trouble.
Speaker 4: But they just don't let that happen. It's amazing, and
Speaker 4: they get a little lucky. I mean, I had to
Speaker 4: have it missfield goals on the other side, is a
Speaker 4: little lucky that them making a mistake offensively is a
Speaker 4: little lucky.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go save that because on NFL
Speaker 3: Plus tomorrow, Greg, we're gonna talk this game as well.
Speaker 2: Bill's Eagles just start.
Speaker 5: We'll say all different things tomorrow.
Speaker 3: All right, let's head to another great ending, this one
Speaker 3: in Houston.
Speaker 12: From the left hash from fifty eight yards away, Matt
Speaker 12: Ammndola trullid, Maddie.
Speaker 13: Johnson puts it down. There's the kick, the fifty eight
Speaker 13: yard field goal. Is it hits the crossbar? It is
Speaker 13: no It hit the crossbar and came back.
Speaker 2: The field goal is no good and.
Speaker 1: The Jags takeover.
Speaker 8: It'll take a knee one time.
Speaker 2: Wow, great call by Frank Franzi. W O kV. It
Speaker 2: was that close.
Speaker 3: Ramon Doolan the Texans, but it is the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 3: who come out on top twenty four to twenty one
Speaker 3: in a matchup between two young star quarterbacks from the
Speaker 3: AFC South. It was Trevor Lawrence who had the big
Speaker 3: day here three hundred and sixty four yards added a touchdown.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's changed since the final,
Speaker 3: but out of nowhere, Greg, the Jags were the number
Speaker 3: one seed in AFC after this win.
Speaker 2: Is that still where they stand?
Speaker 4: That is not where they stand by tiebreaker because of
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, But it's a way a four way tie
Speaker 4: as we're taping, but a three way tie really Chiefs
Speaker 4: in Miami.
Speaker 1: And this game had had everything.
Speaker 4: It had what felt like almost a clinching win here
Speaker 4: for the AFC South for the Jaguars, going up to
Speaker 4: with five to play is massive. The quarterback play, for
Speaker 4: the most part, was fantastic. There was some really questionable
Speaker 4: play calls by both sides, just ones that didn't work out.
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson going for and all or nothing touchdown on
Speaker 4: the last play of the first half that didn't work out.
Speaker 4: The Texans with some very strange short yardage QB calls
Speaker 4: in shotgun with no chance of running the ball, explosive plays.
Speaker 4: But when the Jaguars got the ball there at the
Speaker 4: end of this game, or rather when the Texans had
Speaker 4: the ball late in this game and they're driving. It's
Speaker 4: one eighteen left and c. J. Stroud has the ball
Speaker 4: and he's on the thirty seven yard line of the Jaguars,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, well, this is overtime or it's a touchdown.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen? And what happened was what's happened in
Speaker 4: a lot of Jaguars games this season. Josh Allen happened
Speaker 4: the other Josh Allen. Both Josh Allen's with fantastic days.
Speaker 4: This one can celebrate though. He gets the split sack
Speaker 4: on the first play, and he had so many big
Speaker 4: plays in this game two and a half sacks.
Speaker 1: That puts him in a long yarded situation.
Speaker 4: They have a couple incompletions and then they have to
Speaker 4: go for this long field goal, and it just felt
Speaker 4: like CJ. Stroud was in like I'm gonna go back
Speaker 4: there and make a play mode, and they had a
Speaker 4: lot of plays go against him. It was a terrible
Speaker 4: officiating game, but he couldn't make the plays. Ultimately, on
Speaker 4: those two long yarded situations, they don't get it, and
Speaker 4: the Jaguars are probably gonna be your AFC South champions.
Speaker 5: And their defense is one of the unpredicted surprises of
Speaker 5: the entire campaign. And I mean Josh Allen seems to
Speaker 5: do this all the time, and Stroud has been a
Speaker 5: masterful quarterback late in games with his game winning drives,
Speaker 5: and it's like I was watching the Sudie Gar I
Speaker 5: had the feeling like, oh, they're not going to be denied,
Speaker 5: and like something about the Texans feel inevitable with Stroud
Speaker 5: and instead like their defense. Jacksonville's defense completely stood up
Speaker 5: and did his job.
Speaker 1: One of those games where like c J.
Speaker 4: Stroud hit a fifty eight yard or early to Tank
Speaker 4: Dell that was called back on a totally bogus illegal shit.
Speaker 4: I thought Row was insane, totally insane, and it reminded
Speaker 4: me of the touchdown he had a Dell a week ago.
Speaker 4: And it just started like a cavalcade of bad calls.
Speaker 4: There was a holding they totally missed a defensive holding
Speaker 4: call on a Trevor Lawrence interception, and then there were
Speaker 4: multiple pis on the Texans that kept drives going for
Speaker 4: Jacksonville and some no calls late in this game that
Speaker 4: were just insane and it was distracting and it was
Speaker 4: annoying because like, you just wanted to enjoy this game.
Speaker 4: And I did think maybe Stroud because he's hit so
Speaker 4: many of those plays lately and you can't fault him
Speaker 4: at all. But it was just like an I'm gonna
Speaker 4: hold the ball for and try to make a play mode.
Speaker 4: There wasn't as many plays in rhythm. His three point
Speaker 4: eight time to throw was the longest by any quarterback
Speaker 4: all season in a game, and it worked a number
Speaker 4: of times. He was twenty six for thirty six for
Speaker 4: three zero four. But they didn't quite finish their drives.
Speaker 4: That's why they only finished with twelve points.
Speaker 3: I mean totally can see they split their head to
Speaker 3: head matchups, right, So we have that a two game
Speaker 3: lead with what six to play, where we had now one, two, three,
Speaker 3: four five, Yeah, six to play, So they have a shot. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the Texans still take this division. I don't trust the
Speaker 3: Jacks still. However, I think we should point out because
Speaker 3: we did have some conversations about Lawrence that that this
Speaker 3: is around the time last year. Remember this is when
Speaker 3: the games counts after Thanksgiving, where he got really hot
Speaker 3: and he helped carry that team and they even made
Speaker 3: noise in the postseason. So keep an eye on what
Speaker 3: Lawrence does here. He's he has six touchdowns in the
Speaker 3: last two weeks. Now maybe it's his turn to get
Speaker 3: a little shine here in the division. And what's been
Speaker 3: kind of a CJ. Strouds story this year.
Speaker 5: He's been the story. I mean, there is a huge
Speaker 5: matchup looming next week between the Broncos and Texans, but
Speaker 5: I kind of like the Texans schedule in general. They've
Speaker 5: got the Jets and the Titans after that. I think
Speaker 5: they're like absolutely wild card worthy and some weird stuff
Speaker 5: is happening in the AFC in general. But we'll see
Speaker 5: about the division.
Speaker 4: That their total lack of a threat of running killed
Speaker 4: them in this game. They like refuse to run it
Speaker 4: on third and one, fourth and one. Singletary got most
Speaker 4: of the stats, even though Damian Pierce was back, but
Speaker 4: they combined for thirty two yards on eleven carries.
Speaker 1: CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud was their leading rusher, also at a rushing touchdown.
Speaker 4: Like they are a little limited, and there were moments
Speaker 4: in this game I thought Lawrence played a good game,
Speaker 4: but I thought it was a great game plan by
Speaker 4: the Jaguars because there were wide open receivers multiple times,
Speaker 4: kind of on busts, just on like swing passes, they're
Speaker 4: tight end rumbled for a forty seven yard play, like
Speaker 4: Kirk was wide open right before the half for a
Speaker 4: fifty seven yard play. Lawrence is like completion percentage of overexpect.
Speaker 4: It was actually like a negative three point six in
Speaker 4: this game. I think he played well because in the end,
Speaker 4: like Ridley dropped a long touchdo in the end, they
Speaker 4: went outside and they went deep, and that's what I've
Speaker 4: been asking them to do all year and they did
Speaker 4: it with success. So I can't fault them. But I
Speaker 4: think it was just a good aggressive game plan by
Speaker 4: the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, C. J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, who obviously had
Speaker 3: a promising rookie season cut short by injury. There are
Speaker 3: some there's some good young talent in this division, and
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence doesn't like it.
Speaker 14: I want the teams in our division to be as
Speaker 14: bad as possible, So no, I'm not. That's how I
Speaker 14: see it, And the way they're playing it's exciting. Yes,
Speaker 14: there's gonna be some I'm sure some great matchups down
Speaker 14: the road, and CJ's playing, He's playing lights out. He's
Speaker 14: doing a great job. I mean, to be a rookie
Speaker 14: and to play how he is. I got a lot
Speaker 14: of respect for him. I know that, I know how
Speaker 14: hard it is. You know, I've been in that position.
Speaker 14: So he's doing a great job and it's gonna be
Speaker 14: fun for years to come hopefully. So But no, I mean,
Speaker 14: I wouldn't prefer that. I'd prefer I'd prefer if you know, guy,
Speaker 14: the guys in our division didn't have good quarterbacks and
Speaker 14: be better for us.
Speaker 5: But you know what I like about him, Like you
Speaker 5: got these quarterbacks coming out in like four thousand dollars
Speaker 5: three piece suits. He's like in a dented hoodie and
Speaker 5: like an orange hat with his long hair hanger.
Speaker 3: That made me think of him saying I prefer that
Speaker 3: the division sucks. I don't know if you guys caught it,
Speaker 3: which I agree, i'd be the same with. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you caught Alex Smith on the ESPN this morning,
Speaker 3: ethering everyone at the DAIS. They were having a conversation
Speaker 3: about Tom Brady's comments that the league feels watered down
Speaker 3: and the play is not at a high level. And
Speaker 3: Alex Smith was like, whoa, stop the clocks here, Tom,
Speaker 3: you played in the AFC East and that is that
Speaker 3: was a terrible division your entire career. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: there's Rex Ryan on the dais, there's Teddy Bruski, there's
Speaker 3: Randy Moss, and they're all like hamanahamana. But good for you,
Speaker 3: Alex Smith. I like that he said that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Tom Brady's overall point is well conceived.
Speaker 2: Is Alex Smith? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But it's also the most cliche thing, like lazy
Speaker 4: thing for an old ex player that's really not paying
Speaker 4: that close attention to the game to say. And Alex
Speaker 4: Smith is lazy too. Because the Patriots, I love throw
Speaker 4: this one. I had a higher winning percentage against the
Speaker 4: rest of the league than they did and then their
Speaker 4: own division throughout their run.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 3: Like that sounds like a Greg fact. Can we check
Speaker 3: that one? You know, some of these Willing Hilly facts
Speaker 3: are thrown out lately. It's true his winning percentage was
Speaker 3: higher outside the AFC's.
Speaker 4: They were both were extremely high. I was like six
Speaker 4: sixty whatever it was. They were basically the same. But
Speaker 4: they were slightly.
Speaker 2: Better on a data dive on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were slightly better outside the division.
Speaker 4: You know, those Dolphins gave them troubles down and they
Speaker 4: dominated everyone.
Speaker 1: Was the point.
Speaker 4: It's not like anyone outside the division was doing any
Speaker 4: better whatever.
Speaker 7: All right, next, Rashid in motion, here's car now wants
Speaker 7: to throw in or sept he's got great grass forty
Speaker 7: fifty forty.
Speaker 1: Twenty straded out Jesse touch.
Speaker 2: Down Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And New Orleans commits their first ret zone turnover of.
Speaker 2: The year, and it wouldn't be their last.
Speaker 3: On Sunday, the call there West Durham w ZGC.
Speaker 2: Good call.
Speaker 3: Derek Carr threw a pick six, Taysom Hill later lost
Speaker 3: to fumble at the ten yard line, and the Falcons,
Speaker 3: opportunistically on defense keep themselves in the game.
Speaker 2: On the same day that Desmond.
Speaker 3: Ritter was doing his usual high wire act that included
Speaker 3: falling off a few times. But in the end, a
Speaker 3: Ridder touchdown passed the Bijon Robinson gave Atlanta breathing room,
Speaker 3: and they held on for a twenty four to fifteen
Speaker 3: win over the Saints, a win that puts the Falcons
Speaker 3: into a tie in first place. With the Saints at
Speaker 3: five and six. That tells you a lot about what
Speaker 3: you need to know about the NFC South. It's not good.
Speaker 3: The football in this game was not very good, but
Speaker 3: it was fun and sloppy and ultimately you could sense
Speaker 3: the tension and the bad blood between these teams, which
Speaker 3: is famous. This was a game though, that we'll get
Speaker 3: the people in New Orleans fired up because it was
Speaker 3: the ultimate saintsy game on offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, this is your concern about the Derek
Speaker 5: Carr experience in general, because you're going to get some highs.
Speaker 5: He's a tough player, but the lows are going to
Speaker 5: cost you. They were zero for five in the red
Speaker 5: zone today in general, and I guess from a Falcons angle,
Speaker 5: you know, we've waited for a game like this, which
Speaker 5: seems to be more the blueprint that they were hoping for,
Speaker 5: with two hundred and twenty eight yards on the ground,
Speaker 5: Bejon Robinson running all over the place. But the problem is,
Speaker 5: I think we have enough evidence to suggest and tell
Speaker 5: us that Desmond Ritter is just going to keep costing
Speaker 5: you one way or another and is exactly who they
Speaker 5: are right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: You have to Arthur Smith has been under fire for
Speaker 3: this whole season, and I don't think that's going to
Speaker 3: change after this game. But they did seem to finally
Speaker 3: understand a few things, making sure to get Bije on
Speaker 3: the ball, who went over one hundred total yards and
Speaker 3: had two touchdowns in this game.
Speaker 2: It needs to drive through him.
Speaker 3: Enough of this silly business about all we want to
Speaker 3: keep him fresh. It's late November, it's time. They also
Speaker 3: kind of de emphasized Tyler Algier. They gave Quarterell Patterson
Speaker 3: some work and they found a nice balance because Patterson
Speaker 3: did some work in this game, Bijeon made his plays,
Speaker 3: and then when it was time to close out the
Speaker 3: game in the fourth quarter, it was Algier who had
Speaker 3: some tough runs that helped chew up the clock and
Speaker 3: take this thing home. So there is something to be
Speaker 3: said for Atlanta's ability to make those stops because it
Speaker 3: was a crazy those stops in the red zone, because
Speaker 3: the Saints moved the ball pretty well in this game.
Speaker 2: In fact, I believe they punted once.
Speaker 4: One hundred and forty four total yards. Right, Falcons defens
Speaker 4: has not been playing well in general.
Speaker 3: So they were kind of going up and down the
Speaker 3: field until they got into the red zone. And I guess,
Speaker 3: on the subject not accusing you guys of this, but
Speaker 3: on the subject of laziness, it's I think it's very
Speaker 3: easy to just point a Car and be like he's
Speaker 3: the reason. But then you watch the games and you
Speaker 3: see what a team effort it is. It's rahiit Shahi
Speaker 3: dropping a ball at the goal line. It's Car obviously
Speaker 3: throwing a bad pick six to Jesse Bates, and then
Speaker 3: it's Taysom Hill trying too hard to get extra yardage
Speaker 3: and him fundling fumbling it. It's penalties along the offensive
Speaker 3: line that are pushing them out of the zone. And
Speaker 3: all these things are coming together and making a vicious
Speaker 3: stew of this team that is just not putting it together.
Speaker 3: And yes, you're gonna hear more I would imagine about
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston potentially coming in. But I guess my point
Speaker 3: is there's there's more guys that aren't playing sound football
Speaker 3: on this offense.
Speaker 2: Here's Dennis Allen on his quarterback, some some good and
Speaker 2: some bad.
Speaker 15: You know, you know, obviously I got to go back
Speaker 15: and look at the interception to see exactly what happened
Speaker 15: on that look I knew Bates was a really good player,
Speaker 15: and it's not the first time he's made it play
Speaker 15: like that. So I thought there were some plays that
Speaker 15: that that Derek made, and I think there were some
Speaker 15: plays that you know, we'd like to have back.
Speaker 3: And I agree with that assessment, and you could and
Speaker 3: and it's it's fair that Carr needs to be better
Speaker 3: and maybe this is just who he is, but it's
Speaker 3: a very frustrating watch.
Speaker 16: Well.
Speaker 4: His defense is a total disappointment. The only difference with
Speaker 4: the Falcons running attack today, it's not like they gave
Speaker 4: it more to Bizon really or anything. It's just like
Speaker 4: they were good at it. They've been bad at it
Speaker 4: all year. They haven't been getting a consistent push on
Speaker 4: their offensive line, they haven't been getting consistent yardage. And
Speaker 4: whoever was running the ball back there got it done.
Speaker 4: And so if you're getting pushed around defensively, that's not
Speaker 4: what Dennis Allen wants. He he he played everything in
Speaker 4: the red zone on like penalties and in the turnovers today,
Speaker 4: but they've been sloppy in the red zone all year.
Speaker 4: Alave got hurt in this game. He had a concussion
Speaker 4: right and he'd left in this game, and they already
Speaker 4: put Lattimore on injured reserve right before the game this weekend,
Speaker 4: and Thomas is uninjured reserve. They were the healthiest team
Speaker 4: in the NFL going into a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and now they're suddenly catching the injury bug at a
Speaker 4: bad time, and it is I think the fans are
Speaker 4: out for blood.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone people.
Speaker 4: Aren't thrilled with Derek Carr, but they're I think the
Speaker 4: anger is mostly focused at Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they've wanted Dennis Allen gone since last season.
Speaker 1: A cents they got that.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting also that like and again, I
Speaker 3: think Carr is one of those guys. Some guys struggle,
Speaker 3: and it's seemed globally like what's wrong with this offense?
Speaker 3: For some reason, sometimes I feel like he becomes just
Speaker 3: the guy everybody points to.
Speaker 4: It's the eye test, but to me is the ultimate
Speaker 4: eye test guy that that like, he's he's a frustrating watch.
Speaker 3: I agree with that frustrates me endless, Like, but why
Speaker 3: don't we why aren't we hearing things about their play
Speaker 3: calling in the red zone?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, Pete Carmichael didn't even want to be quarterback?
Speaker 3: Is there a car That's that's my point. He is
Speaker 3: a lightning rod, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Car is too heavily scapegoaded because other quarterbacks around the
Speaker 5: league right now are playing at no higher level. But
Speaker 5: there's something about the Derek Carr like experience. I think
Speaker 5: a lot of it is early on his career. You
Speaker 5: could shape his performances statistically to the picture of a
Speaker 5: better quarterback than he seems to be when you're watching him.
Speaker 4: And Carmichael has been take you know, locally, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm locked into the Saints coverage, but like
Speaker 4: they're they're tired of everything about this team. But Carmichael
Speaker 4: takes a ton of heat this year locally. He's not
Speaker 4: someone who obviously is getting much attention astally.
Speaker 1: The crazy in this division.
Speaker 4: I mean, podcasts are free, freely available, the websites are available.
Speaker 1: You check it out.
Speaker 4: But you are going to be dragged through this because
Speaker 4: it's like none of this is going anywhere. They're both
Speaker 4: five and six, The Bucks are four and four, four
Speaker 4: wins on the season, and like this this is gonna
Speaker 4: be a crawl to the finish, and there's gonna be
Speaker 4: more of these days and like, you're not gonna be
Speaker 4: like led out of this.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be in it to the end. All these teams,
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 5: Them is gonna be the fourth seed. I mean, that's
Speaker 5: at an outrage.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Honey Badger, who had two picks in
Speaker 3: this game and Jesse Bates, who I said had we
Speaker 3: heard had the pick six and also had the punch
Speaker 3: out on Taysom Hill. It's a two point game at
Speaker 3: that point with the Saints poised to take the lead.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: Uh, and he punches that ball out and that was
Speaker 3: as close as the Saints came in this game.
Speaker 2: So a huge win for the Falcons.
Speaker 3: Ridder, I'll let me just say Ritter also played another
Speaker 3: Ritter esque game in that about deep into the second quarter,
Speaker 3: you're saying, oh, wow, he's having his best game. Then
Speaker 3: he has a miserable red zone interception, throws another bad
Speaker 3: pick and this just is just this, like this y
Speaker 3: yin and yang with him.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a.
Speaker 3: At this point a playoff quarterback, but you can understand
Speaker 3: why Arthur Smith is going to stick with them moving forward,
Speaker 3: all right, up next, we roll on to Cincinnati, where
Speaker 3: the Steelers got to face a Joe Burrow free Cincinnati
Speaker 3: team desperate for a win.
Speaker 10: Bengals third and three empty the set from there thirty two.
Speaker 10: They're two for eight on third downs a trio thirteen
Speaker 10: to seven. Brownie pinches the left receiver, big rush, he
Speaker 10: is crist fight.
Speaker 2: TJ. Watt? What what was that? A freak train? No?
Speaker 2: It was number ninety.
Speaker 12: Wow is about all you can say?
Speaker 2: Was here? Was he blocked there?
Speaker 5: Not by a functioning human?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow? All right? So TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt with a crushing hit on Jake Brown in one
Speaker 3: of several big plays by the Pittsburgh defense in a
Speaker 3: sixteen to ten win over the Bengals. Pittsburgh now seven
Speaker 3: and four, and there they are, the Bengals with ol
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, five and six and winless in their division.
Speaker 2: It all adds up to very bad news in Cincy.
Speaker 3: But for Pittsburgh, mark progress another win, and also the
Speaker 3: offense did something today that they had never done under
Speaker 3: the previous offensive coordinator of Matt Cande.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a Joe Burrow free game for the Steelers,
Speaker 5: but a Matt Canada free game also for the Steelers
Speaker 5: and incomes Mike Sullivan, longtime NFL assistant, to call the plays,
Speaker 5: and for the first time in forty fifty eight games,
Speaker 5: they cracked four hundred yards and give them some applause.
Speaker 5: Deserve it.
Speaker 4: We were like knee deep in the pandemic season when
Speaker 4: the last time year, I mean.
Speaker 5: Week two of twenty twenty, how much must it suck?
Speaker 3: Early showing legitimate empathy here for Matt Canada, who maybe
Speaker 3: wasn't great at his job in Pittsburgh, but he's probably
Speaker 3: a little down on the dump sitting on the couch
Speaker 3: watching the games and did fifty eight games as their
Speaker 3: OC I believe the number was, and never got four
Speaker 3: hundred two. Immediately watched the team that just fired him
Speaker 3: cross that threshold. You gotta have some second thoughts about
Speaker 3: some decisions you've made.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, had it come three weeks from now, it
Speaker 5: would feel and look days out immediately.
Speaker 4: He's probably also a little salty that, like, they had
Speaker 4: the hardest schedule in the league by far for offenses,
Speaker 4: in terms of opposing defenses, and then they played the
Speaker 4: team that's giving up the most explosive plays in the
Speaker 4: league and can't stop anyone on the ground late in game.
Speaker 4: Then again, the Steelers only scored sixteen points, which is,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, so that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Like it from a yardage standpoint, I thought Pickett played
Speaker 5: a pretty good game. You know, he's actually snapped the
Speaker 5: Steelers franchise record for contexts and consecutive passes without an interception,
Speaker 5: so he's not giving the ball away. There were more
Speaker 5: big shots downfield. Uh, Pat Fryarmuth made a huge difference.
Speaker 5: He had one hundred and twenty yards off nine catches.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was or of the of the offense
Speaker 5: Najie Harris ninety nine yards and a touchdown. And then
Speaker 5: I'm we played the TJ. Watt highlight because he does
Speaker 5: this every week. I mean, he ended two drives with
Speaker 5: like titanic crushings of Jake Browning, who is just a guy.
Speaker 5: He's Jake Browning was not helpless, and he's not really
Speaker 5: entirely the reason that they're going to lose these games.
Speaker 5: He can move a little bit on his feet. He
Speaker 5: had one or two nice drives. But it's like you're
Speaker 5: just watching the ghost and the husk of a team
Speaker 5: that we thought could go to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the defensive you know, issues have been there. You know,
Speaker 4: they're zero to four in the division, they're one and
Speaker 4: six in the conference now. A lot of those games,
Speaker 4: obviously most of them are with Joe Burrow, so they
Speaker 4: had issues. But it's depressing to feel like the Bengals
Speaker 4: at five and six are already basically out of our
Speaker 4: lives for the season.
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta bring up Zach Taylor a little bit.
Speaker 1: Four and twenty in starts without Joe Burrow as.
Speaker 5: Bengals, Well, and it looked like it today and part
Speaker 5: of it Bill Delchick and starts without Tom Brady there,
Speaker 5: four and fifty.
Speaker 4: Well, during those during that stretch, and they were they
Speaker 4: were great, right, They went three and one with Jimmy
Speaker 4: g and Jeoey Brissett went eleven and five with Matt Castle.
Speaker 4: That during that stretch they were great.
Speaker 5: They look doomed because if you're gonna have Jake Browning,
Speaker 5: to the truth, you gotta be able to like.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you can't go after Zach Taylor.
Speaker 4: Yes, in that way when I'm just my point is
Speaker 4: they're probably not gonna be winning.
Speaker 2: Of course, they're gonna suck without Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, well, yeah, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 5: predicted before the season that the Steelers would have twelve wins.
Speaker 5: If they accomplish that, it will be done in the
Speaker 5: most milk toast fashion possible, because I.
Speaker 1: Know it's maybe they'll get better.
Speaker 5: I mean, their defense is legit. I I think it's
Speaker 5: encouraging what they did on offense, but I don't I
Speaker 5: need to see it weeks in a row to buy
Speaker 5: into it.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of The division is a little bit of
Speaker 3: a bummer from where it was a month ago because
Speaker 3: Cleveland and we'll talk about them later, is just kind
Speaker 3: of a mess now because their quarterback position. The Bengals
Speaker 3: are more or less out of it as we know,
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is even with this game. It's so it's not
Speaker 3: like it's like pinch me watching this offense. And then
Speaker 3: you have the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Of course they're hanging around though. Seven and four, yep,
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 9: I have something, guys, if we're going to go and
Speaker 9: we got a break here, a little bit of housekeeping, yes,
Speaker 9: you know, coming in a phrase. Bill's got on another
Speaker 9: end of a bad loss here. The Cincinnati Zoo locked
Speaker 9: up Eagles. That's right, that was a big win for.
Speaker 5: The Cincinnati this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait to bring that up, But that's good because
Speaker 4: he would have had a conspiracy theory if we forgot.
Speaker 9: I don't want to get too far down the road.
Speaker 9: And then I forgot at the circle.
Speaker 1: Back doubly annoyed watching the end of that game.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, the zoo with the zoo keeper, Nick
Speaker 3: Wrestling got the magic touch.
Speaker 5: Three.
Speaker 2: It's not over, Greg, not not at all.
Speaker 1: And think of these late wins he had the Eagles
Speaker 1: last week too.
Speaker 5: With these late I mean we did eradicate the entire competition.
Speaker 2: He's it's a great, incredible start.
Speaker 5: Canceled the competition for Nick.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and then we will
Speaker 3: bring in another Nick. All right, we are back and
Speaker 3: it is time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by
Speaker 3: the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Led us head to Denver,
Speaker 3: where the resurgent Broncos look to keep it up against
Speaker 3: the Brownies.
Speaker 12: Second down goal from the two Javonte Williams to the
Speaker 12: right of.
Speaker 2: Russell, two receivers on each side of the set.
Speaker 12: He brings MEM's emotion. He keeps it again, running to
Speaker 12: the right side Wilson leaps into the end zone, touchdown.
Speaker 12: Denver three quarterback keeps on this drive Wilson from three
Speaker 12: yards out.
Speaker 10: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 17: Are we looking at thirty four year old Russell Wilson
Speaker 17: or twenty four year old Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: Oh, David Logan with a call he didn't like that.
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson ran.
Speaker 3: For a touchdown and threw a touchdown pass and that
Speaker 3: was kind of a vintage Russ throw later in the game,
Speaker 3: giving the Broncos the extra cushion in a twenty nine
Speaker 3: to twelve win over the Browns. Let's welcome in the pipe,
Speaker 3: Nick Shook, and Nick, you had a Browns team here
Speaker 3: that is struggling at the quarterback position and a Denver
Speaker 3: team that cannot stop winning all of a sudden. This
Speaker 3: is one of the more surprising developments of the season.
Speaker 18: We are witnessing an absolute attitude shift in Denver.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 18: This is a team that started one to five and
Speaker 18: got a you know, seventy burger dropping them by Miami.
Speaker 5: They look like a team that had no life.
Speaker 2: Sean Payton was a disaster.
Speaker 18: Russell Wilson was over the hill, and all a sudden,
Speaker 18: they started winning some games, key'd mostly by their defense,
Speaker 18: But now it's all coming into form. Now if you
Speaker 18: look at the stats, you'll think, well, Russell didn't didn't
Speaker 18: really do that much. We didn't have to do that much.
Speaker 18: I mean, the defense played really well for the most part.
Speaker 18: The ground game was fantastic against the NFL's scariest defense,
Speaker 18: and they put a bit together a complimentary win that
Speaker 18: only further emphasized this turnaround that's happening in Denver right now.
Speaker 18: They're six and five, and frankly, if they play like
Speaker 18: this guy's on a weekly basis, and especially in the
Speaker 18: road where they haven't been as good as they've been
Speaker 18: at home, then we're talking about a Denver Broncos team
Speaker 18: that's gonna end up in the playoffs. That's how good,
Speaker 18: that's how strong they look right now. They play with
Speaker 18: an attitude, they out physical the Browns. Russell Wilson's got
Speaker 18: a nice streea games played together here, everything's just starting
Speaker 18: to come together. It's really pretty for the first time.
Speaker 18: It's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: The Broncos. They matter, and they play like that matter.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a great coaching job by Sean Payton.
Speaker 5: They talked about coming into the game wanting to remove
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett, who was ineffective in this game and then
Speaker 5: could not lift his left arm for the most of
Speaker 5: the second half. Oh no, no, see what's going on there?
Speaker 5: It did not look good to me. They came in
Speaker 5: the Browns without Denzel Ward, who I think is a
Speaker 5: huge part of this Jim Schwartz defense, No Anthony Walker
Speaker 5: and Denver you know, showing zero fear about the Cleveland
Speaker 5: Browns defense. Ran the ball right up the gut of
Speaker 5: Cleveland's d like from the start. They had one hundred
Speaker 5: yards before the first half ended. Wow, Russell a lot
Speaker 5: of it. And the reason I think that you got
Speaker 5: that comment about Russell Wilson looking like the old Russell
Speaker 5: Wilson is that the element of his game that's been
Speaker 5: missing in the earlier parts of this season and last
Speaker 5: year was the mobility and the guy on the ground
Speaker 5: who can affect you. And I thought he did a
Speaker 5: nice job against Cleveland on the ground today and they
Speaker 5: you know, if you're Cleveland, you're going into the game
Speaker 5: with Dorian Thompson Robinson at rookie who's still learning on
Speaker 5: the job. He gets absolutely destroyed by Baron Browning, he was,
Speaker 5: you know, lights out, a concussion time, bloody lip removed
Speaker 5: from the game.
Speaker 1: PJ.
Speaker 5: Walker comes in and for both of these quarterbacks, I
Speaker 5: thought that tell tell me if you thought Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 5: did some weird stuff in this game, they got way
Speaker 5: too cute. They didn't stick with what was working, which
Speaker 5: I thought they ran the ball pretty well early, they
Speaker 5: got away from it to all these sort of trick plays.
Speaker 5: One that cost them dearly on a terrible fumble, and
Speaker 5: you got like, how many drops in this game and
Speaker 5: how many bad David Djokhu plays that put their quarterbacks
Speaker 5: into a terrible situation because they were hanging around until
Speaker 5: the floor fell out late.
Speaker 18: Yeah, they actually had a chance to put together a
Speaker 18: comeback before dtr got hurt and even after he got
Speaker 18: knocked out of the game. That's where the two sides
Speaker 18: of Kevin Stefanci's coin really came into play. Because you know,
Speaker 18: Greg has talked about this, and I totally agree that
Speaker 18: Kevin Stefanski has done a great job of coaching them
Speaker 18: in certain situations and getting guys open, especially with everything
Speaker 18: they're dealing with a quarterback. But there's been many other
Speaker 18: instances in which he's tried to be the smartest guy
Speaker 18: in the room and he's gotten way too cute. So
Speaker 18: as soon as dtr comes out of this game at
Speaker 18: the start of the fourth quarter, you got PJ. Walker
Speaker 18: back there, who, by the way, is not an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 18: We can all agree on that at this point, and
Speaker 18: they run a reverse. They run a reverse that starts
Speaker 18: with Elijah Boor in the backfield. He tosses the ball
Speaker 18: to Pierre Strong, who lined up as a receiver and
Speaker 18: he's a running back in case for those who don't know,
Speaker 18: he's a running back, and he did not catch that pitch.
Speaker 18: It was a fubble. Denver goes down scores. It's a
Speaker 18: backbreaking touchdown, and the Browns go from being in a
Speaker 18: position where they're winning the game on the ground and
Speaker 18: they're really close to tying it up or taking the
Speaker 18: leader because they were only down five points at that moment,
Speaker 18: to suddenly being completely out of it because you know
Speaker 18: that PJ. Walker is not going to throw them to
Speaker 18: a victory. And as soon as he got another opportunity,
Speaker 18: he was overwhelmed, overmatched. I would have blitzed the living
Speaker 18: daylights out of it. Much like the Broncos did creative pressure,
Speaker 18: just a great coaching job on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 18: They out schemed Jim Schwartz's defense. A lot of the
Speaker 18: runs were just excellently designed. They attacked the perimeter, they
Speaker 18: won the perimeter. The Browns missed those guys on defense,
Speaker 18: no doubt, but they were just the better team both
Speaker 18: in execution and in coaching. And Kevin Stefanski did himself
Speaker 18: zero favors with trying to be the smartest guy in
Speaker 18: the room in certain situation.
Speaker 3: Here would be because we're seeing it at the Metal
Speaker 3: Lands right now too. My concern about the Browns mark
Speaker 3: you do you agree that as good as the defense is,
Speaker 3: if the offense is going to be stuck in mud,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a lot of three and outs
Speaker 3: or just a bad field position, and you're going to
Speaker 3: continue to put the d into difficult situations and eventually
Speaker 3: the damn cracks when you keep doing that. The offense
Speaker 3: needs to be more giving them more right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it reminds me of the loss to Baltimore. It's
Speaker 5: the worst possible situation for Cleveland that this is what
Speaker 5: it is going forward to. And I think you get
Speaker 5: to a point where the injuries have mounted. Like I mentioned,
Speaker 5: no Denzil Board and we'll see what happens with him.
Speaker 5: Amari Cooper went out of this game. I'm really concerned
Speaker 5: to hear about what happened to Miles Garrett. You don't
Speaker 5: have Nick Chubb, you lost your starting quarterback, you lost
Speaker 5: Jack Conklin, Jederick Wills, Marcius Goodwin, Rodney McCleod, your second quarterback,
Speaker 5: Jacob Phillips, jackiem Grant, and we'll see what happens with
Speaker 5: the rest of these guys. It's like you're just down
Speaker 5: to the point where too many positions are vulnerable and
Speaker 5: you can't just rely on defense to continue to stack
Speaker 5: wins here.
Speaker 4: Well and to your point like teams will see that
Speaker 4: and a couple of times that the Browns defense hasn't
Speaker 4: looked great, it's because of.
Speaker 1: The run defense.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to put them giving up one hundred
Speaker 4: yards rushing in the first half on their quarterback. So
Speaker 4: it's so hard for a defense to be that dominant
Speaker 4: every single week. You're gonna need some weeks for your
Speaker 4: offense to pick him up. And I can't expect the
Speaker 4: Broncos defense to stay this good because it's just a
Speaker 4: little crazy. But since that Jets game that was where
Speaker 4: I know they lost the next week on Thursday Night
Speaker 4: Football to the Chiefs, but that game was actually, you know,
Speaker 4: reasonably close. They kind of bottomed out in that Jeff's
Speaker 4: game where they gave up thirty one points. They've give
Speaker 4: averaged sixteen and a half points allowed. That's over a
Speaker 4: six game stretch here, and they've forced let's count them up,
Speaker 4: they had twelve turnovers and three games coming to this week,
Speaker 4: so that's fifteen turnovers they forced in the last four weeks.
Speaker 1: That's pretty outrageous.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, Sean Payton's doing a great job and they're
Speaker 4: limiting mistakes and they're really playing complimentary. But Vance Joseph's like,
Speaker 4: got this group playing great. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: We uh, six weeks ago, I think it was work
Speaker 3: the Denver BRONCX whoops sailed who have now won five.
Speaker 2: Games in a row. So keep an eye on again
Speaker 2: the bottom of these guys.
Speaker 4: That a record for us, like for someone to like,
Speaker 4: don't I don't actually think they are in the playoffs
Speaker 4: as of today, just because of tiebreakers, right like that
Speaker 4: for the quickest for a team to get back in.
Speaker 4: It's a problem position that after getting forged, But you.
Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta give them credit because like Nick said,
Speaker 3: and we got to move on. But to start the
Speaker 3: season the way they did, and that with that historic
Speaker 3: seventy burd you're.
Speaker 2: Like to now be on a five game winning streak
Speaker 2: and be right in the mix.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: Credit to everyone involved there, and let's see if they
Speaker 3: keep it up. And that was the Sunday Drive presented
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Speaker 3: Slash Grand Highlander. Speaking of teams on a streak, remember
Speaker 3: the Colts were like, oh, the Colts are back there.
Speaker 3: They're in that number seven spin still around. And not
Speaker 3: only are they still around, they are very much in
Speaker 3: playoff contention to Indie we go shotgun stat for Mayfield
Speaker 3: in the pocket, the ball stripped, the ball is out
Speaker 3: gone around the thirty eight yard line on.
Speaker 11: The recovery by Tyo at tang Bo and a strip
Speaker 11: sack by steps.
Speaker 4: That someone's been drinking, like gets home tonight from the
Speaker 4: flay his wife, It's like, how is the game con
Speaker 4: com gone?
Speaker 3: Yes, that was Matt Taylor, but he was an Ebicon guy.
Speaker 2: Ebcom evercom guy is Rick Van Terri.
Speaker 3: I believe, oh ex coach ebcom. Yes, it was another
Speaker 3: win for the Colts. Jonathan Taylor two touchdowns and the
Speaker 3: defense comes up with a late turnover in a twenty
Speaker 3: seven twenty win over the Bucks. So yes, that's three
Speaker 3: wins in a row for Indy now six and five show.
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, Gardner Minshew doesn't give you a high ceiling, right,
Speaker 18: But the most important thing that he should do is
Speaker 18: not hurt you. And he threw a pick today, but
Speaker 18: he also had a rushing touchdown and he did what
Speaker 18: he's done for most of these games, which is key
Speaker 18: completions in certain situations, struggles on third down, but keeps
Speaker 18: them afloat. And in this type of matchup, it was
Speaker 18: the defense's game to win. And what did they win it.
Speaker 18: They picked off Baker Mayfield after he came back from
Speaker 18: an early injury. Ronnie Harrison, making his Colts debut, gets
Speaker 18: a pick of his former Rounds teammate.
Speaker 2: They turned that into a touchdown.
Speaker 18: They sacked Baker a number of times, They pressure him
Speaker 18: fourteen times, they get after him, and even after Rashad
Speaker 18: White ran fifteen times for one hundred yards, the Buccaneers
Speaker 18: still couldn't piece together enough consistent offensive production to get
Speaker 18: back into this game. Now, credit to them, they did
Speaker 18: make it interesting at the end. That's what led to
Speaker 18: that strip sack and the repeated mention of Samson ebucom
Speaker 18: But it had to come down to that for them
Speaker 18: to even have that opportunity, because they weren't.
Speaker 2: Able to get out of their own way.
Speaker 18: And it's another loss that is all too familiar for
Speaker 18: Buccaneers fans right now. You get both sides, like I said,
Speaker 18: you get both sides of the Kevin Stefanski's coin. You
Speaker 18: get both sides of the Baker Mayfield coin, which is gritty, tough,
Speaker 18: gonna go all the way to the end and give
Speaker 18: you everything he's got, but he's also gonna make a
Speaker 18: few errors and if they're in crucial spots, they'll probably
Speaker 18: lose you a game.
Speaker 2: And that's definitely what happened today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about Derek Carr being a frustrating watch
Speaker 5: far too often, but I think Mayfield fits into the
Speaker 5: same sort of category where you got like the heightened
Speaker 5: good of him today because every one of these games
Speaker 5: he'll like rumble for a first down on third and long,
Speaker 5: and it's kind of like he jazz is up the
Speaker 5: team and you can see what you like about him,
Speaker 5: and it'll convert a couple of big throws to Godwin
Speaker 5: or Evans, but then it's the killer turnover. And it's
Speaker 5: like I was watching this out of the corner of
Speaker 5: my eye and got all aspects of Baker Mayfield today
Speaker 5: and that's why they're, you know, largely the record they
Speaker 5: are right now and untrustworthy, but he's not a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 5: It's just like he kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 5: other version of Gardner Minshew a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think when you were out, Mark, I had talked
Speaker 3: about like I enjoyed watching Baker this year in a
Speaker 3: way that's been different than past years. It feels like
Speaker 3: he's like in a nice spot and a little little
Speaker 3: under the radar and these ups and downs of his career,
Speaker 3: but like you're saying, there's there's always going to be
Speaker 3: moments where he's who he is, both good and bad.
Speaker 3: And I think it's gotten a beat and they've gotten
Speaker 3: a couple of wins out of it. They are very
Speaker 3: similar players, those two quarterbacks, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: I mean the Bucks were three and one's it's not
Speaker 5: been a good six seven weeks.
Speaker 4: Here, No, and Devin White is kind of having the
Speaker 4: opposite contract year season. Let's say what Antoine Winfield is
Speaker 4: on his own team. I think Winfield is an All
Speaker 4: Pro candidate. Devin White. Every week you watch, you see
Speaker 4: him getting beat for big plays, for touchdowns. A couple
Speaker 4: touchdowns in this game, I think he missed Levante David
Speaker 4: And then on the other side, another free agent, Michael
Speaker 4: Pittman ten for one oh seven. He's on pace for
Speaker 4: about twelve hundred yards. Like there's this argument I think
Speaker 4: in India of like, well, how much do you pay him?
Speaker 4: Is he really a one? It's like it doesn't really matter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's a top twenty whatever receiver in his prime. He's
Speaker 4: going to get paid a lot of money. Like, if
Speaker 4: you don't want to pay him, someone else will pay
Speaker 4: him twenty three million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's an interesting guy and almost like you
Speaker 3: got to make sure he goes to the right team
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. He's surrounded by nothing.
Speaker 4: He's had a terrible quarterback situation and all he does
Speaker 4: is produced that's extremely valuable. Even if you're the twentieth
Speaker 4: best ride receiver in the league, like, that's worth twenty
Speaker 4: million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're not a one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you got to think about the fact that
Speaker 5: this is still Anthony Richardson's team starting next season and
Speaker 5: you don't start stripping talent away from him.
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a good point because I think that production
Speaker 18: comparison wise, the guy I think of comes top of
Speaker 18: mind is Robert Woods. Like, Robert Woods is never going
Speaker 18: to be a number one, but he's consistent. He was
Speaker 18: consistent in LA for a long time before they moved
Speaker 18: on from him. You can get similar production from Michael
Speaker 18: Pittman with an upgraded quarterback in Anthony Richardson returning Colts
Speaker 18: fans should be pumped. They should really be pumped about
Speaker 18: the way this team is battling right now without that
Speaker 18: quarterback with Gardner Minshew and with it the way this
Speaker 18: defense is playing. I'm not saying they're gonna make the plaoff,
Speaker 18: but it's going to be an interesting season and it's
Speaker 18: gonna set them up for a really optimistic offseason, which
Speaker 18: is exactly what they need after what happened last.
Speaker 5: They are literally sitting in that seventh spot right now
Speaker 5: after with all the tiebacker tiebreakers in there, and Shane
Speaker 5: Stiken has proven I think to be a very valuable addition. Again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that play action seamball on fourth and one and
Speaker 4: a key spot when the Bucks are actually making I
Speaker 4: mean that took some wavos to call that, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Je Mersey is happy like Shane Stiken's taking
Speaker 4: all the attention away from his Twitter behavior.
Speaker 1: So it's a great weekend for the Yes.
Speaker 3: Stike and now that we're ask thanksgiving us those start Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: He is a name to watch in the in the
Speaker 3: Coach of the Year race, especially if you can get
Speaker 3: this team to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Shookie, you have said it all. Thank you, my friend,
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 18: And one last shout out Jonathan Taylor. Watch out for him.
Speaker 18: He's starting to build up, Whard, He's getting a little
Speaker 18: bit better. Two touchdowns today near one hundred yards. Keep
Speaker 18: watching him, all right. Another stellar appearance by Shock. Look
Speaker 18: there's a pipe. Oh hell yeah? I got to check
Speaker 18: out the YouTube all right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, full screen right there. The sound efects
Speaker 3: perhaps troubling, but I enjoyed the overall scene.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Shook. Thanks guys, Let's keep rolling.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Vegas where the Chiefs are looking to
Speaker 3: find a way.
Speaker 2: To count get some momentum going, and they did.
Speaker 19: Now it's third and five after having first and twenty
Speaker 19: Edwards Hilaire is in, that's the third down, back trying
Speaker 19: to get the call right. Here comes Watching in I
Speaker 19: gotta throw a crossing pattern. Caught Rice starting angling twenty
Speaker 19: five up the sideline, fifteen.
Speaker 8: Inside the fight and touchdown Canzaw City of thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Y'rek crossing pattern.
Speaker 13: And then swimming up the sideline.
Speaker 2: Rushi Rice m mitch Holt is with a call Chiefs Radio.
Speaker 3: And we mentioned Rice in the lead up to this
Speaker 3: game that the Chiefs desperately need somebody to become a
Speaker 3: real thread in that offense beyond Travis Kelcey and Rice
Speaker 3: did the thing on Sunday eight for one oh seven,
Speaker 3: and that touchdown in a thirty one to.
Speaker 2: Seventeen win over the Raiders.
Speaker 3: And yes, you might say, oh, beating the Raiders with
Speaker 3: a beat up Mason Crosby nothing to you know, you know,
Speaker 3: organize a parade over And that's true.
Speaker 2: And yet I watched this.
Speaker 3: Game and it made me feel like the Chiefs got
Speaker 3: to win here that that they can really use as
Speaker 3: a springboard going forward, not just because that they won
Speaker 3: by two scores, but also how they did it. They
Speaker 3: fall behind fourteen nothing in this game and they are
Speaker 3: absolutely asleep at the wheel. At one point in the
Speaker 3: second quarter, the Raiders have gained over two hundred yards
Speaker 3: of offense and the Chiefs have about ten.
Speaker 2: It was nine first downs to one.
Speaker 3: It would have been seventeen nothing if Daniel Carson didn't
Speaker 3: shank a thirty yard field goal.
Speaker 2: And then they just kind of got back on track
Speaker 2: like the old Chiefs.
Speaker 3: They put up a touchdown, bing bang, another touchdown, and
Speaker 3: crucially boys after halftime, where they have bizarrely struggled this
Speaker 3: year on offense, they go right down the field their
Speaker 3: first possession for a touchdown and really seize control of
Speaker 3: the game, put the game away with that Rice touchdown
Speaker 3: late and you get that win.
Speaker 2: You're eight and three. All things considered, with all the hand.
Speaker 3: Ringing we did a ton of it on Sunday night
Speaker 3: last week, the Chiefs are in very good position to
Speaker 3: get where they want to be, which is the number
Speaker 3: one seed in the age.
Speaker 5: And it was a concerning start, but I'm looking at
Speaker 5: what happened after the Raiders second touchdown and in terms
Speaker 5: of net yardage on the resulting drives, the Chiefs defense,
Speaker 5: which was awesome for part of last week, gave up
Speaker 5: thirteen yards eleven six. There was a field goal drive
Speaker 5: the thirty one, seven and nine. So it's like they
Speaker 5: put the clamps on and it's like I still trust
Speaker 5: their defense week to week to be special.
Speaker 4: They've been great on that side. In the secondary, I
Speaker 4: don't need to see anymore. It's the offense. I'm wondering
Speaker 4: how it evolves, and I think you saw a very
Speaker 4: clear shift in strategy today until deep garbage time. Total
Speaker 4: targets for the Chiefs wide receivers ten for Rashie Rice.
Speaker 4: You've been calling for that. We we've been saying he's
Speaker 4: the guy, A combined four for everyone else. Now, obviously
Speaker 4: it's not going to be like that. In terms of
Speaker 4: the wide receivers. I'm not talking Kelsey, I'm not talking Pacheco,
Speaker 4: who both did their thing in the receiving game. In
Speaker 4: terms of the wide receivers, it was Rice for ten,
Speaker 4: and then Watson and More combined for four and then
Speaker 4: garbage time he threw a couple around. He tried to
Speaker 4: give Marcus Valdez scanty one and it goes for a
Speaker 4: negative yard like that was.
Speaker 3: His only target, which is notable because it was of
Speaker 3: course MVS who dropped the go ahead touchdown on Sunday
Speaker 3: night against the Eagles. He's the guy, right, you know,
Speaker 3: taking him out of the mix MVS and hopefully elevating
Speaker 3: in the end. I think Isaiah Pachenko, I just like
Speaker 3: I like him as a player. I like the way
Speaker 3: he runs the football. And then I thought, notably in
Speaker 3: the red zone if you you know, Reid could sometimes
Speaker 3: just get pass crazy, and they were hammering the ball
Speaker 3: into Pochanko inside the five, not trying to generate easy
Speaker 3: touchdowns for Travis Kelce. It was just like trusting their
Speaker 3: offensive line and Pachanko, and that worked twice in this game.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot to positives here and a
Speaker 3: lot to build on on the raider side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Just like we were talking about, Jonathan Taylor is warming up.
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs turned on the Jets on a long sixty
Speaker 3: three yard touchdown run in the second quarter.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the beginning of the end for them.
Speaker 3: Offensively, but it was just a reminder that he is
Speaker 3: really kind of back to the dude he was last
Speaker 3: year when you watch him play. Finished with one hundred
Speaker 3: and ten, his second one hundred yard game in three weeks,
Speaker 3: and Max Crosby became the first player this season who
Speaker 3: was listed as doubtful. There had been sixty seven guys
Speaker 3: listed as doubtful. He plays in this game with a
Speaker 3: bad knee, and it's a knee injury that I believe
Speaker 3: is going to require surgery. So we're gonna see how
Speaker 3: much longer you could gut it out. But this guy
Speaker 3: is the face of the Raiders, and as long as
Speaker 3: he's on the field, you feel like they have a chance.
Speaker 3: Let's see how much how much longer you could stay
Speaker 3: on the field because you could tell he was hobbled.
Speaker 3: He did get a sack in this game, but he
Speaker 3: is not at one.
Speaker 5: That's that's hopeful about Josh Jacobs, And I wonder if
Speaker 5: you still saw an uptick in terms of like the
Speaker 5: whole overall Raiders experience with the coaching situation. I know,
Speaker 5: you know results aside. This was a tough loss, but
Speaker 5: they're still hanging around. They still matter, and I felt
Speaker 5: like they didn't matter a month ago at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah eight yards with Aiden O'Connell, I think, yeah, pretty happy.
Speaker 3: I think Antonio Pierce has done a good job. There's
Speaker 3: a great and this is the reason you love. Crosby
Speaker 3: is a player where he got kind of knocked someone
Speaker 3: collided with his leg. He goes down in a heap
Speaker 3: and he kind of peels himself off the turf and
Speaker 3: again you could tell he's gotten through it. And Pierce
Speaker 3: sends in a substitute for Crosby, and Crosby is like,
Speaker 3: I'm not coming out of the game, and they had
Speaker 3: twelve men on the field because he refused to come
Speaker 3: out of the game. So Pierce had a call time
Speaker 3: out to get Crosby off the field. And then you
Speaker 3: see Crosby just hissed off on the sideline and Pierce
Speaker 3: talking to him, and then you think to yourself, Josh
Speaker 3: McDaniels isn't able to have that conversation with Max Crosby.
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce a guy that has been through the wars
Speaker 3: in a different way ken. So yes, the Raiders arrow
Speaker 3: up in general compared to where they were with McDaniels,
Speaker 3: but also.
Speaker 2: They came down to earth here, especially on defense.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that doubtful used to supposed to be
Speaker 4: about a twenty five percent chance of playing. That was
Speaker 4: the idea of it, right, So if he's one in
Speaker 4: sixty seven, he's the first one. I guess that's changed.
Speaker 4: I think now it means unlikely to play. I don't
Speaker 4: know if they still do the twenty five percent thing.
Speaker 4: And if so, you know, we didn't invest gation here.
Speaker 4: We need more doubtful players to play. Bump it up
Speaker 4: to twenty five percent.
Speaker 3: Get on that beat. That could be an off season
Speaker 3: run of episodes. Maybe we do like a seven part series.
Speaker 5: It could be like the you know, Jordan rod rig
Speaker 5: did her you know, play Callers one.
Speaker 2: We'll just do us.
Speaker 5: We just got a series undoubtful.
Speaker 2: How do we turn through like June?
Speaker 5: That's this is how we could do a series on
Speaker 5: each of the designations Probable. What does it really mean?
Speaker 4: It's like I saw a breaking news they come across
Speaker 4: the screen on Friday. It was like breaking news, Max
Speaker 4: Crosby will try to play. Then I was like, well,
Speaker 4: that's well, I'm not surprised by that. Of course he's
Speaker 4: gonna try. It's Max Crosby.
Speaker 3: Can I can I offer a suggestion, Mark, because probable,
Speaker 3: what does it really mean? Kind of sounds like another
Speaker 3: episode of this guy gets It.
Speaker 5: Actually, well, you know, there's a lot of content coming
Speaker 5: out of that corner of the universe. But I can
Speaker 5: always do for one.
Speaker 1: It'd be nice.
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep moving here. There was a time
Speaker 3: where Patriots v. Giants evokes some of the greatest drama
Speaker 3: football in the twenty first century.
Speaker 2: I'm not referring to today's game, though you should not be.
Speaker 17: The rookie is set from thirty five to tie it
Speaker 17: snap is good, kick on its way and over in
Speaker 17: it it's no good mister White laugh? Or yes, mister
Speaker 17: White laugh. So another rookie beats Bill Belichick. I said
Speaker 17: that Ryland had missed one from thirty five earlier this year.
Speaker 2: And he misses it again.
Speaker 3: Whoa greggy Carl Banks with the dagger there with Bob
Speaker 3: Poppa on the call Chance radio. Yeah, the rookie Chad Ryland,
Speaker 3: who was drafted in the fourth round. One of many
Speaker 3: many misses by Belichick in recent years. That was the
Speaker 3: difference in a ten to seven Giants win. Wasn't Mark Sessler?
Speaker 3: Because of course this is a game that was hyped
Speaker 3: up as being the winner is really the loser when
Speaker 3: you talk about draft standing. But the Giants seemed happy,
Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito and his family seemed happy.
Speaker 2: And the metal ends the fans went home happy.
Speaker 5: Tommy DeVito was by far the most enjoyable aspect to
Speaker 5: one of the more unwatchable games I've ever sat through
Speaker 5: in our corporate offices. But I will say before that kick,
Speaker 5: reg and I were talking, were like, don't you find
Speaker 5: a way to kind of miss this kick and stay
Speaker 5: in the contention for the first over.
Speaker 1: He got to tell Ryland before the kick, you know,
Speaker 1: just just hook it.
Speaker 3: It's like the opposite of what Belichick told out of
Speaker 3: Vittieri all those years ago, if you miss this kick,
Speaker 3: you're gone, when he was like a rookie. This time
Speaker 3: it's like, if you make this kick, you're gone.
Speaker 2: And he shanked it his job.
Speaker 4: By Balichick's reaction, I think this theory not too not
Speaker 4: too solid. I think he was very frustrated to see
Speaker 4: the kickery. He got rid of Nick folk for who's
Speaker 4: having a great season.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Nick Fole, let's listen to I might have
Speaker 3: asked Eric to pull some zolac on this.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to the sentient power raid.
Speaker 3: Bottle snaps, Barricker holds, it is picked and it clears
Speaker 3: the line.
Speaker 8: Right good, Well, it's no good and it Hook's left
Speaker 8: with three seconds to.
Speaker 16: Go another one to get dissected after this, had to
Speaker 16: get rid of Nick Folk, right.
Speaker 2: You guest, are automatic. Wow, by the way, Nick Folk
Speaker 2: had another bomb today.
Speaker 3: You know, Nick Folk looks like he's about fifty five,
Speaker 3: but he can still kick it fifty five. And that
Speaker 3: was a decision that just so many Greg, so many
Speaker 3: Belichick decisions.
Speaker 2: And I earlier in the season, I was on the other.
Speaker 3: Side of it, Greg, where I thought, I think Belichick
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be safe. But the way the games
Speaker 3: are playing out now, with the farce of Mac Jones
Speaker 3: starting and getting benched after two interceptions, and then you
Speaker 3: bring in Billy Zappi and then you're blowing games with
Speaker 3: the rookie kicker you didn't need to get it all
Speaker 3: feels like a clean start. And I think Peter King
Speaker 3: was on our buddy Kevin Clark's show this week and
Speaker 3: he's kind of put it out there that he that
Speaker 3: there's a vibe he was getting that that Robert Kraft
Speaker 3: wants a kind of a younger thinking, more fresh minded
Speaker 3: approach to the organization, and none of that seems to
Speaker 3: connect with the seventy something Belichick.
Speaker 4: No, And you wonder, I wonder whether that connects with
Speaker 4: like Drod Mayo, who is younger, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: is he going to bring a different approach or not
Speaker 4: to watch like these game to watch Mac Jones in
Speaker 4: this game just completely not be there. He's collapsed in
Speaker 4: on himself almost unlike any quarterback I've ever seen that's
Speaker 4: shown a high level of play at one point. I mean,
Speaker 4: this was a guy who numbers wise was like eleventh
Speaker 4: in PFF twelfth and the EPA as a rookie like
Speaker 4: really showed it. It was a solid started quarterback at a rookie.
Speaker 4: To regress this far where he was like playing in
Speaker 4: a way that was begging to be benched almost at
Speaker 4: every moment, like backing away from from throws, like backing
Speaker 4: away from pressure that wasn't there, it is wild to see.
Speaker 4: It is wild that he got like the opportunity to
Speaker 4: even start this game. There was one play where they
Speaker 4: didn't let him throw the ball on third and eight
Speaker 4: and they handed off to Zeke is a total give
Speaker 4: up play, but actually they had They blocked it perfectly
Speaker 4: and Zeke had a prairie to run through. Any running
Speaker 4: back picks up that they're done, and then Zeke's like
Speaker 4: chugging to the sideline and they tackle him, and I
Speaker 4: was just like another weird this is the Patriots in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.
Speaker 10: Uo.
Speaker 5: It's total mismanagement. I can't think of a quarterback that's
Speaker 5: sort of been a like falling off a cliff like
Speaker 5: Mac Jones has from where he was, you know, midway
Speaker 5: through his rookie season, but terrible coaching around him last year.
Speaker 5: It's happening all over again. I think it matters when
Speaker 5: you have a starting quarterback and you're sending out messages
Speaker 5: through the press all week that you're gonna everyone might play.
Speaker 5: What's happening with it, And it's like he's deserved, you know,
Speaker 5: the chance to be demoted because he's played terribly today
Speaker 5: and he's not seen the fielded through terrible interceptions. Zapi
Speaker 5: came in in through one too. It's like the Giants
Speaker 5: defense inside of this effort played really well and they've
Speaker 5: had these games where Wink Martindale's defense has shown a
Speaker 5: lot of promise. It's like, I don't know if you're
Speaker 5: the Giants what you're building for. But like the Tommy
Speaker 5: DeVito experience in reverse on the flip side shows me
Speaker 5: that Brian Dable can coachquarterbacks like he looked functional again today.
Speaker 5: It wasn't perfect. It was a terrible range, just like
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia, but a guy like Jalen Hyatt bailed him
Speaker 5: out and had a lot of big plays.
Speaker 1: Those are nice throws.
Speaker 4: Though he's played, he's out playing Mac Jones and Zach
Speaker 4: Wilson to the.
Speaker 5: You know what this is like the second he took
Speaker 5: six sacks from the Patriots. Again today, it's keeps getting
Speaker 5: you know, shredded, but he's making plays outside of it.
Speaker 5: And I give them credit for a team that has
Speaker 5: not given up on their coach.
Speaker 2: Two QB thoughts from this game. One.
Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito has this window and moment in time where
Speaker 3: he will be the starting quarterback of the Giants. And
Speaker 3: it's not going to happen after this year because they're
Speaker 3: going to go in a new direction or they're going
Speaker 3: to go back to Daniel Jones more than likely, But
Speaker 3: in this moment, uh, there's there's Jersey Boy undrafted player
Speaker 3: that has he will be talked about, trust me, is
Speaker 3: someone that grew up in this area. He'll be talked
Speaker 3: about twenty five years from now as a sometimes as
Speaker 3: a punchline, sometimes has reminiscing like wasn't that crazy that
Speaker 3: this guy was our quarterback? A guy that you would
Speaker 3: expect being in section three fourteen was actually our QB.
Speaker 3: Just kind of a fun little thing and an otherwise
Speaker 3: dreary season for the Giants and mac Jones. I've never
Speaker 3: been the biggest fan of him, but I also think
Speaker 3: he could be a somewhat successful system quarterback with the
Speaker 3: right setup.
Speaker 2: I think they broke him.
Speaker 3: I think there's so much more than just him at
Speaker 3: play here, and we know how they let him down
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 2: But you're right what you.
Speaker 3: Said about like the way they've talked about him in
Speaker 3: the media and their quarterback situation didn't don't instill any
Speaker 3: don't empower him in any way, and he's clearly playing
Speaker 3: like a young quarterback who doesn't believe in himself and
Speaker 3: the scheme and the team that he.
Speaker 4: Played, Like where's Bill O'Brien and all this right, it
Speaker 4: hasn't improved getting rid of Patricia Hunter. Henry said he
Speaker 4: didn't know who the starter was until they ran out there.
Speaker 4: Ballichick consisted he told Mac Jones at some point before
Speaker 4: they got on the plane, but the team didn't seem
Speaker 4: to know. The most newsworthy coaching report from this game
Speaker 4: that was before it by Jake Lazer, yes, a report
Speaker 4: that he expected a mutual parting of ways between Brian
Speaker 4: Dable and Wink Martindale.
Speaker 1: Possibly before the end of the season.
Speaker 4: Dave All of course was asked about and said that
Speaker 4: was you know, the only thing we argue about is
Speaker 4: like who.
Speaker 1: Gets the last lights of piece.
Speaker 4: But it was really pointed that, like he gave Wink
Speaker 4: Martindale the game ball after this game, so it has
Speaker 4: to be the first ever game ball issued in the
Speaker 4: history of the NFL. In response to a Jay Glazer report.
Speaker 4: What's going on, Like, there's no way Wing Martindale gets
Speaker 4: that game ball unless that report gets out there. And
Speaker 4: I I one hundred percent trust Jay Glazer that he's
Speaker 4: got this thing.
Speaker 3: Now as a fellow insider, I just got to say,
Speaker 3: I gotta respect what Jay was able to do.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, just that there's tension there. They're just inside
Speaker 4: the build they're bickering at each other.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and then we will
Speaker 3: finish out is Sunday Slate.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Of course, you had the three thanks Giving games, and
Speaker 3: you can check out the podcast previous to this one
Speaker 3: for our reaction to those games. There was, for the
Speaker 3: first time a Black Friday game. It was a Black Friday. Indeed,
Speaker 3: at least for my team to the meadowlands.
Speaker 2: We go spoils act to throw looking for man rush.
Speaker 2: They're chasing them down.
Speaker 1: Get you off towards the m drove and then it's
Speaker 1: picked off.
Speaker 2: Oh that's gonna get interest. They haven't, and it's a
Speaker 2: good call.
Speaker 13: At the twenty thirty, he's cutting back.
Speaker 2: Inside forty of My New York for twenty five to
Speaker 2: twenty to the right til five pay cut play.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Cephalo Orfalo Cephalo, Jimmy Cefalo with the call.
Speaker 2: With Joe Rose.
Speaker 3: I think it was Rose who pointed out this could
Speaker 3: be interesting. Yes, the Hail Mary for the Jets at
Speaker 3: the end of the half, set up by a two
Speaker 3: inner exception, Tim Boyle throws it up for grabs, it
Speaker 3: gets intercepted and then run back ninety nine yards. Just
Speaker 3: the latest indignity for the New York Jets and the
Speaker 3: latest win for the Miami Dolphins, who cruise on Black
Speaker 3: Friday to a thirty four to thirteen win. So the
Speaker 3: Dolphins another team at eight and three, and in this game,
Speaker 3: it was like like the other Thursday games, it was
Speaker 3: not very competitive.
Speaker 2: It was two teams going in very different directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the end of the third quarter.
Speaker 4: I wrote down the stats in the box score that
Speaker 4: the Dolphins had had sixty one plays, the Jets had
Speaker 4: had twenty two. The Dolphins had had three hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty five yards, the Jets had had fifty. That says,
Speaker 4: you know, complete domination pretty much on both sides of
Speaker 4: the ball. You know, they would have had seventeen points
Speaker 4: in their first three drives the Dolphins if Tyreek Hill
Speaker 4: didn't drop a pass in the end zone. And then
Speaker 4: once it defense does start playing well, they get a
Speaker 4: couple turnovers on to it, including one with two seconds
Speaker 4: left to set up that Hail Mary. That's what happens.
Speaker 4: And you just felt for everyone there, But I guess
Speaker 4: you didn't feel I guess there were a lot of
Speaker 4: Dolphins fair then good job by the Dolphins now traveling well.
Speaker 3: It's also Jets fail Loud aren't gonna watch it right,
Speaker 3: barbit right selling their tickets because it's outrageous, and I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just we don't need it, not today. It's just like,
Speaker 3: why does it have to be like this? Why can't
Speaker 3: we just lose like regular teams? Why do we need
Speaker 3: the hail Mary pick six to add to all the
Speaker 3: other frustrations being a fan of this team for the
Speaker 3: game to kind of be remembered this way, and it's
Speaker 3: just brutal, and Tim Boyle is obviously not the answer,
Speaker 3: and just like Zach Wilson is not the answer. But
Speaker 3: like I said last week, with this Jets team and
Speaker 3: this regime, you get what you deserve. And they set
Speaker 3: themselves up for this and they ignored all the warning
Speaker 3: signs and now the chickens have come home to roost
Speaker 3: and it blows my mind. As let's you know, I
Speaker 3: want to hear from Robert Sali here, Robert Salad now,
Speaker 3: And we talked about his stammering reply to Michael k
Speaker 3: a few weeks back when asked about Zach Wilson and
Speaker 3: you know, his starting job now he's being asked about
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett, which is obviously a thorny issue because he's
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers's boy and everything is about Aaron Rodgers with
Speaker 3: his team, and once again the coach is revealed to
Speaker 3: be powerless.
Speaker 20: Essentially, I'd be a really long answer, an answer for
Speaker 20: another day, I guess, But you know, when you look
Speaker 20: at it all and again, it's it's a little bit
Speaker 20: of everything. Whether the calls could be better, whether the
Speaker 20: execution can be better, whether our one on one battles
Speaker 20: can be better. You know, it's it's taking advantage of
Speaker 20: the situations we have. When we get him. Do I think,
Speaker 20: play caller, we'll fix that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Let me hold on, like so you cannot, you cannot
Speaker 5: go into next season because this season is essentially it
Speaker 5: is over for the Jets, and it's become poisoned in
Speaker 5: every possible way. The Nathaniel Hackett question is a fair question.
Speaker 5: I think one thing I'm wat when I'm watching the
Speaker 5: Jets because there's got to be a schism in that building.
Speaker 5: If there's a schism in the Giants building. They didn't
Speaker 5: have a single drive go for over sixteen yards until
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. I mean, that's absurd. And what that
Speaker 5: tells me a little bit is that we're watching other
Speaker 5: teams around the league that flexibly change what they do
Speaker 5: on offense depending on what's happening at quarterback, what's happening
Speaker 5: in other positions. Good coaches find flexible, creative ways out
Speaker 5: of jams. And Nathaniel Hackett, I don't know how else
Speaker 5: to put it on. He's organizing the weekly call sheet,
Speaker 5: the weekly attack, the way they're going to do things
Speaker 5: has shown zero ability to recreate anything they're doing at all.
Speaker 5: Tim Boyle's only positive quality is that he's not Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the obvious move would be to remove the play caller,
Speaker 3: but again it's all tied to Rogers And then you
Speaker 3: see the report on Sunday and I just don't want
Speaker 3: to even we don't need to dwell too much of this, Seamon,
Speaker 3: because it's it's.
Speaker 2: All gross and ugly.
Speaker 3: But the Ian report this morning that Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 3: ramping up his rehaby he could return in some for
Speaker 3: him to practice in the in the next week, and
Speaker 3: he's still targeting potentially Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Like, who is in charge?
Speaker 3: Because I know it's not the head coach because I
Speaker 3: listen to him and every week he gets a little
Speaker 3: more powerless.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that GM's in charge either.
Speaker 3: I think it is the injured quarterback that's turning forty,
Speaker 3: that brought in all these bums from Green Bay along
Speaker 3: with him, and they need to have a you know,
Speaker 3: Jesus needs to take the wheel of this team and
Speaker 3: before this turns into as embarrassing a fiasco as anything
Speaker 3: else previously, because right now I am teetering in my
Speaker 3: belief that even with healthy Aaron Rodgers, that this team
Speaker 3: right now is set up in terms of coaching and
Speaker 3: management to ever come out of the darkness.
Speaker 4: And it is as dark as it could be right now.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Salas fifteen and thirty. If it continues on
Speaker 4: this path, I don't think it should be surprising if
Speaker 4: both he and Joe Douglas lose their jobs and they
Speaker 4: blow up the whole whole thing. But it depends a
Speaker 4: little bit on how the rest of.
Speaker 1: It goes.
Speaker 4: But they had Lazard was a healthy scratch guaranteed eleven
Speaker 4: million dollars. I guaranteed more than that for this game,
Speaker 4: which is wild to flip to the Dolphins. They lost
Speaker 4: Jalen Phillips, who, to me, along with Jalen Ramsey, is
Speaker 4: the most important player on their defense, was playing at
Speaker 4: an outrageous level. Was gonna he still will, you know,
Speaker 4: get a massive, massive contract, but that you know, torn
Speaker 4: Achilles is just a huge.
Speaker 1: Loss because I know that a lands Turf ray.
Speaker 4: I really thought you you saw the difference because Phillips missed.
Speaker 4: I think it was two or three games in the
Speaker 4: middle of the season. I really thought you saw a
Speaker 4: massive difference because they have a deep defensive line and
Speaker 4: Wilkins is good, but man, Phillips is the one true
Speaker 4: difference maker. And then I also think they got to
Speaker 4: be a little worried that it's It's just I said
Speaker 4: it before. It's just been a while since we saw
Speaker 4: a great to a game. He now has twenty interceptions
Speaker 4: and fumbles on the year. He only had fourteen all
Speaker 4: of last time. Twenty total interceptions and fumbles combined. Now, wow,
Speaker 4: there were some bad snaps in there. I want to
Speaker 4: go through what the fumbles are.
Speaker 2: Say a lot, he didn't. They didn't lose all those fumbles.
Speaker 4: But no, no, I I whoa, yeah, he doesn't lead
Speaker 4: the League in fumble recoveries, because some of those are
Speaker 4: are bad snaps and everything, but there were some like
Speaker 4: this game where it was his own fumble and he
Speaker 4: was picked off twice in the and these weren't like
Speaker 4: making excuse interceptions. These are just bad interceptions. And then
Speaker 4: they just they have a freak. They have a brain
Speaker 4: freeze on third and one and fourth and one.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. They they just refuse to run the ball forward.
Speaker 4: They finally did it later in this game, but they
Speaker 4: just refuse to do it and they never pick it up.
Speaker 4: They're one of the worst teams. It's so crazy. So
Speaker 4: it's just little things. They're eaten three. But these are
Speaker 4: things that they're gonna be his thinking about.
Speaker 3: I know this is nothing new, but you see it
Speaker 3: on those throws to the outside on the pick six
Speaker 3: that he threw to Brandon Eckles and then the I
Speaker 3: that came before the hall Mary, Like, he just doesn't
Speaker 3: have great arm strength, so it's just his margin forerer
Speaker 3: is smaller and when he's.
Speaker 4: Not sharp, you know still, and he had many great
Speaker 4: it was a tepical too, a game where like, look,
Speaker 4: he had some dimes.
Speaker 2: And so he mixes them in He's like, you see
Speaker 2: both sides.
Speaker 3: It's just okay, all right, let's move on and head
Speaker 3: to the desert where.
Speaker 2: The Rams were looking feisty again.
Speaker 8: Back to throw, Stafford lobs it left side and so
Speaker 8: cuts touchdown. Karen Williams touchdown lay. The second year tailback
Speaker 8: takes a bow after his second receiving touchdown of the day.
Speaker 8: It's fourn counting for Matthew Stafford, and now this playoff
Speaker 8: push has teeth.
Speaker 1: Whoa JB like that?
Speaker 2: Our dude call? Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 5: Five and six?
Speaker 2: Why not the Rams in the playoffs?
Speaker 3: After Matt Stafford throws the season high four touchdown passes
Speaker 3: and Kyron Williams comes back into the lineup and is
Speaker 3: a major difference maker in this game, running for a
Speaker 3: buck forty three and also catching six passes for sixty
Speaker 3: one yards two touchdown catches thirty seven to fourteen.
Speaker 2: The final pretty impressive, Greg.
Speaker 4: It's against an Arizona defense which is obviously one of
Speaker 4: the worst in the league, and it has new injuries,
Speaker 4: so that is a caveat and they've owned this matchup,
Speaker 4: but it is extremely impressive to see them dominate the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. The Rams to dominate the line of
Speaker 4: scrimmage in such a way that you can run for
Speaker 4: two twenty eight, that Kyron can go for two h
Speaker 4: five yards from scrimmage, that you can put up thirty
Speaker 4: seven points in four hundred and fifty seven yards in
Speaker 4: a game where Puka Nakua Cooper Cup combined for forty
Speaker 4: five yards. Actually, I think that is a great sign
Speaker 4: for the health of this team that they can stay
Speaker 4: feisty because the defense plays with a lot of energy.
Speaker 4: They did a nice job today. Donald is playing out
Speaker 4: of his mind. But it needs to be an offensive team, Markie,
Speaker 4: and this was one of the rare kind of special
Speaker 4: offensive days that they've had this season where they put
Speaker 4: it out together.
Speaker 5: Iron Williams last appeared before today against the Cardinals when
Speaker 5: we were in London and they had a scant rushing
Speaker 5: yardage in the first half. Then he exploded for one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty eight. So in two games against the
Speaker 5: Cardinals back to back, they've allowed nearly four hundred yards
Speaker 5: to him. He's a very interesting player because it's not
Speaker 5: fluky like. He was absolutely gashing Arizona from wire to wire.
Speaker 5: This game was eight seven at one point with Kyler
Speaker 5: Murray running in for a touchdown and they never scored again.
Speaker 5: They don't look any better on offense with Kyler Murray
Speaker 5: than they did with Josh Doupps.
Speaker 4: Hmm, yeah, is that true. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 4: They haven't been turning it over. I think they've looked
Speaker 4: a little bit, but you're right, they're not. They're not
Speaker 4: lighting it up special. After that first drive where the
Speaker 4: Cardinals went right down the field, I think their next
Speaker 4: eight drives they had something like a total of eighty yards.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's it's the rookies for the Rams. We
Speaker 4: don't need to go too long on them, but it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy that they didn't. They didn't have a
Speaker 4: first round draft pick, am I right? And yet they
Speaker 4: have one of the best rookie classes in a long time.
Speaker 4: And that was the whole idea they loaded up with
Speaker 4: these picks. They have four guys making huge difference. Steve
Speaker 4: Avila is going to be starting at guard for them
Speaker 4: for a long time, like a difference making guard. You
Speaker 4: have Pukinakua. You have Byron Young, who's among the leaders
Speaker 4: in quarterback hits and certainly tops among all rookies. And
Speaker 4: then Kobe Turner had a couple of sacks today and
Speaker 4: has been a really good starter.
Speaker 1: That's four rookie starters. They're five and six.
Speaker 4: This is actually, I think basically exactly what Sean McVay
Speaker 4: was hoping for out of this season. Some meaningful games
Speaker 4: in December and the rookies and and real guys we
Speaker 4: can build around.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Aaron I don't still playing
Speaker 1: at it really high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is you're right, this is what he wanted,
Speaker 3: which is this is a development year with all these
Speaker 3: young players. If we could be in contention while we're developing,
Speaker 3: and then you could build with a nice draft and
Speaker 3: free agency class next year, all of a sudden, you're back.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so far the path there is clear for them.
Speaker 3: They've they've done a nice job and it's just now
Speaker 3: about can you keep Stafford upright and healthy because when
Speaker 3: he is healthy and slinging it, they can score points
Speaker 3: of Villa was their first pick, thirty six overall in
Speaker 3: the second round, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think they have a first round pick this
Speaker 2: year coming up, and first.
Speaker 4: Time in like a decade, Hey doo and and Stafford
Speaker 4: who's touched down interception ratios looks so wonky all year,
Speaker 4: it's been annoying for how well he's played. It's nice
Speaker 4: to see him just put up a four spot. It's
Speaker 4: like a corrective measure. I don't know what he did
Speaker 4: in the off season, but I swear he is moving
Speaker 4: better and looks more agile and mobile than he's ever
Speaker 4: looked in his career, Like he was evading a ton
Speaker 4: of sacks and making good sort of second reaction plays today.
Speaker 2: Love it, Love to see it.
Speaker 3: Don't think he has an outside shot at the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame, the Strong Final a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I think he has a shot.
Speaker 5: Fringy.
Speaker 4: I think he has a decent shot. Oh sure, if
Speaker 4: I would do it, But he has a shot. Browns
Speaker 4: next week they are in the mix.
Speaker 5: They have Browns, then Ravens. They also have the Niners
Speaker 5: on their schedule out. Oh yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: But there's there in the mix.
Speaker 5: There's some winnable games in there too.
Speaker 4: You could go across the sidewalk mark for that game
Speaker 4: Brown's Rams, you know, I guess I could little four
Speaker 4: to twenty five action come back for the pod.
Speaker 3: You could uh put on a ninety five miles Garret
Speaker 3: Jersey and put LEVI over it.
Speaker 2: Nice little one, nice little ape.
Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: Well across? Why not? Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? What's stopping me?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you go see the Browns? Not interested in
Speaker 3: seeing the Browns.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested, but you know it would be the
Speaker 1: first one.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you might be interested in seeing
Speaker 2: the brown.
Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, if someone steals it from
Speaker 5: me on Thursday's draft, then it would that it's a problem.
Speaker 5: And I have a professional assignment to do watching you know,
Speaker 5: later other late games, right, So might it might you
Speaker 5: could prevent it.
Speaker 2: It might be hoove you to once again take the
Speaker 2: Browns very early in the upcoming draft.
Speaker 4: TBD a strategy to our friend Jason Zemma, who was
Speaker 4: dying as they were giving up thirty seven straightfowards in
Speaker 4: I mean, they he cares and I and I think
Speaker 4: the Cardinals fans are being tested right now.
Speaker 1: They had a crowd.
Speaker 2: Do you have the pulse of the Cardinals?
Speaker 4: Well, no, but I do have a crowd shot that
Speaker 4: CBS showed in the middle of at the beginning of
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, and wasn't that well attended for that
Speaker 4: portion of the game like they just weren't a lot
Speaker 4: of people they might hop.
Speaker 3: It into that not for nothing, Like you know, Jonathan
Speaker 3: Gannon was brought in as a defensive coach and that
Speaker 3: defense is not developing in his first year. Let us
Speaker 3: now move to Nashville where the Titans get the woebegone Panthers.
Speaker 1: Rice seventeen to thirty for one four on the day.
Speaker 2: Come on, Price, do something.
Speaker 1: But right here, three receivers to the left. Come on,
Speaker 1: Titan's showing pressure, get a cup.
Speaker 2: Come on, throw it left side.
Speaker 1: Chart he's hit.
Speaker 2: He's dropped.
Speaker 16: Now my body hooker got him, basically at the line
Speaker 16: of scrimmage, and ladies and gentlemen, this one is a
Speaker 16: minute fifty five.
Speaker 1: I'm being over. Yes, been a minute since they had
Speaker 1: a win. So I get it.
Speaker 2: I told you.
Speaker 3: Then they when the color guy forgets what his job
Speaker 3: is and he just screams out some type of guttural
Speaker 3: response one of my favorite things. Yes, yes, and it
Speaker 3: was indeed a Saints excuse me, a Titans team that
Speaker 3: needed to win and stayed undefeated at home, by the way,
Speaker 3: and taking care of business here against the Panthers seventeen
Speaker 3: to ten. That one in ten Panthers and Bryce Young
Speaker 3: in this game. That was a checked out of a
Speaker 3: play for that screen the DJ Shark on a fourth
Speaker 3: and six that went nowhere, and Frank Reich said after
Speaker 3: the game that listen that that was the right move.
Speaker 3: They're showing a defense, a zero defense that if you
Speaker 3: beat that blitz, that can go for a touchdown. But
Speaker 3: they didn't quite run the right route. That's not typically
Speaker 3: sharks purview. But they had some injuries and it doesn't
Speaker 3: work out. And that's just like the story of this team,
Speaker 3: like they can't seem to get it going. Bryce Young
Speaker 3: can't seem to get it going, and as a result,
Speaker 3: they are steaming not towards.
Speaker 2: The number one overall pick because they traded it. So
Speaker 2: it's like a lot of negativity and a lot of pain.
Speaker 3: And then you see here's a tweet I believe from
Speaker 3: Joe Person who covers the Panthers after the game.
Speaker 2: Uh, we might be we might be steaming.
Speaker 3: Towards another episode of a Tepper b talking our new
Speaker 3: big series ready to launch. At some point the season,
Speaker 3: person reports leaving the locker room, David Tepper shook his head.
Speaker 5: And yelled, that's not good.
Speaker 21: Well, it's f dash dash dash, But I think, I think,
Speaker 21: and I'm sorry, Eric, but this is this is journalism.
Speaker 2: It's the owner, the owner.
Speaker 5: We have to assume that's the word that's being right.
Speaker 1: It could have been a different word.
Speaker 4: It could have been like Franngie break Franjie one of
Speaker 4: the great.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's you know, oh man, there's evidence
Speaker 5: that the owner is the one that Bryce Young over
Speaker 5: anyone else too. And well, of.
Speaker 3: Course, well yeah, and I think there's obviously a lot
Speaker 3: of that's mean to say, blame to go around, but
Speaker 3: with c. J. Strad doing what he's doing, it's just
Speaker 3: all the more frustrating. So you have all that going
Speaker 3: on around Charlotte, it's just a bad vibe. On the
Speaker 3: Tennessee side of things, you got some positive Derrick Henry
Speaker 3: had two touchdowns here and Henry I feel like this year,
Speaker 3: you see it's a different version of Henry because what
Speaker 3: he used to do and what made him a Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer makes them hall of famer is he would
Speaker 3: have these days where he was just kind of like
Speaker 3: waiting to break one, and his numbers look mundane, and
Speaker 3: then bang he goes for sixty eight and then that
Speaker 3: average jumps from three point two on eighteen carries to
Speaker 3: five point nine or whatever like those. You don't see
Speaker 3: those runs as much anymore, but he still is a guy.
Speaker 3: You get the ball to him in the red zone,
Speaker 3: he could find a way so they get it to
Speaker 3: Henry will Levis is not equalled that debut game yet
Speaker 3: and not come close to not throw a touchdown on
Speaker 3: this game, but I thought I saw some progress from
Speaker 3: him this week in terms of his decision making and
Speaker 3: in general. I thought it was a pretty clean effort
Speaker 3: by the Titans. A team that's four and seven, four
Speaker 3: and one in home, should say not undefeated.
Speaker 4: Well, that was their only home loss was in London.
Speaker 4: What they have to be they have to have the
Speaker 4: worst record for any team that hasn't lost in their
Speaker 4: home stadium like entering December.
Speaker 3: And I'll can see what a what a feat Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll can see to you Mark that you watching Giants
Speaker 3: Pats is probably the worst game of the day. But
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty four yards with the Titans, two
Speaker 3: fifty eight for the Panthers. This was not a game
Speaker 3: that it's going to like be sticky in my brain
Speaker 3: moving forward.
Speaker 5: No, sure, and I've yet to examine it super closely,
Speaker 5: so I could be wrong about that. I can look
Speaker 5: forward to intee you that Patriots Giants was no treat.
Speaker 4: I want to hear your breakdown of really what you
Speaker 4: take away from from this game.
Speaker 5: I did read that Jeffrey Simmons was absolutely dominant.
Speaker 4: Retackles for loss, had a sack in this game. He's great.
Speaker 4: I think that's all we need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do we have any Oh?
Speaker 4: Wait, I do have an update on on Frank Wright
Speaker 4: that actually to me is more Frank, more concerning, maybe
Speaker 4: even than the owner yelling that word. Will Counkle of Fox, Yeah,
Speaker 4: real person, local Fox hust as you. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but he says he was told Frank Reich's coaching seat
Speaker 4: is quote on fire her source. Now, to be fair,
Speaker 4: Will Conkle works at Fox twenty six Houston.
Speaker 1: He's reporting on the Panthers.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he does a great job, but I'm right,
Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the sourcing is on this. I
Speaker 2: don't know how we reported this.
Speaker 3: But he is right because Frank Reich has the kind
Speaker 3: of a sad sack look on the sideline, and he
Speaker 3: was brought in to work with Bryce Young and and
Speaker 3: make him a big time player. He's shown very little
Speaker 3: progress or averaging twelve points a game in the last
Speaker 3: five weeks. And on top of everything else, it should
Speaker 3: be said, in fairness to to the young quarterback that
Speaker 3: they had injuries on the interior of the offensive line.
Speaker 3: So that's not making any easier. He does play small.
Speaker 3: You watch these games and you see it. Just he
Speaker 3: doesn't look like he's in a comfortable place in the
Speaker 3: league right now. So you know, three Carolina coaches had
Speaker 3: seasons with thirteen or more losses from ESPN, Dom Caper's
Speaker 3: four and twelve and ninety eight, Seafert, George Seffertlan Panthers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: one of the aviators with the white hair, George Seffert
Speaker 3: one in fifteen in two thousand and one, John Fox
Speaker 3: two and fourteen in twenty ten before Cam got there.
Speaker 3: They all were fired after that season. This smells like
Speaker 3: a two and fifteen one and done for Reich. And
Speaker 3: we'll see does he even make it through the season.
Speaker 3: When he got Tepper walking out of the locker room
Speaker 3: and saying whatever that F word was, right, who knows?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not gonna be a fun meeting for
Speaker 3: Frank and Tepper knows.
Speaker 5: What he's doing. When he does that, it's it's like
Speaker 5: your there's you know, what's outside of an NFL locker
Speaker 5: room down in the bells of those stadiums, like tons
Speaker 5: of reporters, tons of people with eyes. It was a
Speaker 5: performative bum.
Speaker 11: Well, that's a great point, Mark.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would think he's just so emotional exactly he's I
Speaker 4: think he thought when he.
Speaker 5: Took over this stuff gets out from that.
Speaker 4: It just seems a lot, I know, but he, you know,
Speaker 4: he's just so mad about it that I don't think
Speaker 4: he wants to have I think out there.
Speaker 3: What happens in with these CEO oligarchs and all that,
Speaker 3: Like they aren't used to failure and they think everything
Speaker 3: they take over is going to be great. Since he
Speaker 3: replaced Richardson, they've been a mess.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, It is a reminder because I frustration must be immense.
Speaker 4: I'm guilty of this too. You know Richardson, we weren't
Speaker 4: fans of it, and there was this whole idea just like, hey,
Speaker 4: David Tepper's going to come in and he's been successful
Speaker 4: and he's run business. It was like, now they've got
Speaker 4: great ownership. He's gonna get what he wants. That's what
Speaker 4: Tepper does. And it's like, actually, you're gonna do what
Speaker 4: most new NFL owners is, which is just waste your
Speaker 4: first five years with a ton of mistake favors.
Speaker 3: My favorite Panther's trope the first couple of years in
Speaker 3: this era was Teppard knows how to close a deal.
Speaker 19: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, you know we're not uh still paying Matt rule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are not trading on the open stock market.
Speaker 3: We are not absorbing other businesses and hostile takeovers.
Speaker 2: We're trying to lift Lombardies a little different, all right.
Speaker 2: To Sunday ef football.
Speaker 5: He sends Zay Flowers wide to the right. Cowie brings
Speaker 5: flowers in motion to the left. He gives them the
Speaker 5: flowers on the jet sweet.
Speaker 1: He cuts himself the numbers.
Speaker 2: Piece of the herby turn turn burn touch.
Speaker 1: Jase is in the barn. I'm a raven knock out.
Speaker 2: The Chargers in away, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2: Jaz is in the barn.
Speaker 3: Jerry Sandusky with the call yes Zay Flowers in a
Speaker 3: third and short scenario that just need the first down,
Speaker 3: but Zay saw daylight and he took advantage of it,
Speaker 3: taking it to the house his second touchdown of the game.
Speaker 3: That was from thirty seven yards out, and it was
Speaker 3: the decider in a Ravens twenty to ten win over
Speaker 3: the Chargers. The Chargers all but dead now at four
Speaker 3: and seven after another lackluster primetime performance in the Ravens
Speaker 3: nine to three sit a top the AFC with six
Speaker 3: games to play, ors five games to play. Dan Hansen's
Speaker 3: with Greg Now, as we made our hasty retreat from
Speaker 3: Sofi Stadium back to our respective homes, Mark didn't make it.
Speaker 3: Mark ran into some traffic, some type of holiday parade
Speaker 3: in Hollywood. So it's just going to be you and me,
Speaker 3: Greg and the Ravens feel no pain after yet another win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel for Mark.
Speaker 4: We were trying to avoid the traffic and he got
Speaker 4: stuck in the Hollywood Christmas parade.
Speaker 3: So from moving to Hollywood, which is you know, your
Speaker 3: whole life is traffic when you live in that.
Speaker 2: Part of the city.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure he's feeling like Chargers fans right now,
Speaker 4: like we just went through this whole experience to just
Speaker 4: end in such an incredibly frustrating and yet familiar way.
Speaker 4: Like the Chargers, they find ways to lose games in
Speaker 4: new and creative ways in this Ravens team, even though
Speaker 4: they're gonna come out of this, and you could hear
Speaker 4: it in Lamar Jackson's voice after the game, very frustrated
Speaker 4: with what he said was a flat offensive performance. They
Speaker 4: can win like any type of different game, and this
Speaker 4: was a game where they're plus four in turnovers, and
Speaker 4: they can also almost blow any ten point lead in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. It felt like they might do that
Speaker 4: here with the Chargers is driving down only three with
Speaker 4: a couple of minutes to go, but this defense is
Speaker 4: ultimately just too good to lose to all But like
Speaker 4: real contending teams, I know they've had had some slip
Speaker 4: up performances, but on a day like today, it's hard
Speaker 4: not to feel like they're one of the you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Jason Garrett said it on the telecast, weirdly,
Speaker 3: filling in for Chris Collinsworth. I don't know what the
Speaker 3: details were on that either, but Garrett pointed out that yes,
Speaker 3: this is not the two thousand Ravens, and no team
Speaker 3: really is the two thousand Ravens except perhaps the eighty
Speaker 3: five Bears, but they're built similarly and how they how
Speaker 3: the defense is huge upfront and elements of the how
Speaker 3: they constructed that side of the ball, and they play
Speaker 3: well and they make you earn every yard and they
Speaker 3: hit you hard, and it's just a well coach, well
Speaker 3: schemed attack or defense. And the Chargers quite frankly, are
Speaker 3: not built to beat a good defense, which seems weird
Speaker 3: when Justin Herbert is your quarterback and you have Austin
Speaker 3: Eckler as you're running back, and you have Keenan Allen
Speaker 3: closing in on one hundred catches before December.
Speaker 2: But that's really the offense.
Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem with this team is
Speaker 3: that they lost Mike Williams, and Quinton Johnson has been
Speaker 3: a bust in his first year, and and Eckler hasn't
Speaker 3: been the same player this year, and Herbert has not
Speaker 3: been able to lift the offense.
Speaker 2: With the cast that he has.
Speaker 3: He averaged less than five yards attempt in this game,
Speaker 3: had a costly sack fumble late that obviously you know
Speaker 3: he was beat up on the play as well, and
Speaker 3: he's been taking a beating at times this year. It's
Speaker 3: just been very frustrating for this Chargers offense, which was
Speaker 3: supposed to be better with Kellen Moore this year, but
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen that.
Speaker 4: No Quinton Johnson has kind of killed them because after
Speaker 4: Williams's injury and Josh Palmer's injury, that's their two and
Speaker 4: their three, and Palmer was a really good three. They
Speaker 4: just needed him to step up. I think he would
Speaker 4: have been benched if they had any other options. And
Speaker 4: in this game, like he has the two killer drops
Speaker 4: and then he gets hurt unfortunately, and look, Herbert like
Speaker 4: was doing everything they could. And I just thought that
Speaker 4: third quarter into the fourth quarter drive that they spent
Speaker 4: nineteen plays in over eight and a half minutes to
Speaker 4: go before it ends getting nothing because of the clowney
Speaker 4: sack fumble was just so fitting because they knew they
Speaker 4: needed big plays at that point, but they just don't
Speaker 4: have it. That was the only way that they were
Speaker 4: going to move the ball, even though they were kind
Speaker 4: of killing the clock on themselves. And yeah, they did
Speaker 4: get the touchdown the next drive after that. They didn't
Speaker 4: totally lay down in this game, but there's just a
Speaker 4: total lack of explosion. I'm amazed how how keenan Allen
Speaker 4: is racking up. He had fourteen for one zh six
Speaker 4: like doing this week after week when opposing defense is no,
Speaker 4: that's basically all they have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was fourteen catches on sixteen targets
Speaker 3: for a while. Was the receptions were echoing the targets
Speaker 3: until late in the fourth quarter. But also, you know,
Speaker 3: and this is not taking away from Allen, but he
Speaker 3: is the greatest chain mover in the game right now.
Speaker 3: He's not a dynamic downfield player. He averaged seven and
Speaker 3: a half yards of reception. He got one hundred and
Speaker 3: six yards off fourteen catches. So while he is an
Speaker 3: essential part of an offense that any team would love
Speaker 3: to have, he's not your prototypical number one all Pro
Speaker 3: game wrecker in the same way as other players across
Speaker 3: the league at that possession. So they need someone with him,
Speaker 3: and it's just not there. And you know, what is
Speaker 3: that Wait, what's that sound I hear? What is that
Speaker 3: sound I hear in the distance in the sky above us?
Speaker 3: Is Oh, my goodness, the rain maker.
Speaker 2: Oh it's the rain maker.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 4: All you boys and girls, get your ad Ben Calendar's
Speaker 4: out and start unwrapping Greg the say flowers, thank you
Speaker 4: very much for not going down at the one yard line.
Speaker 4: That would have been a tough way to go out.
Speaker 3: Greg, you are living the most charmed existence this season.
Speaker 2: I must say I envy you. It's high level envy.
Speaker 3: Justin Tucker misses a automatic kick for him to keep
Speaker 3: it the spreads three and a half.
Speaker 1: He missed it up, by the way, too.
Speaker 2: We locked this up too. He locked it up as well.
Speaker 2: He misses the kick.
Speaker 3: The Chargers take over fail as they do, and then
Speaker 3: it is comes down to what looks like to be
Speaker 3: a thirteen to ten win if they just pick up
Speaker 3: the first down, and yes they not.
Speaker 11: Only does he get the first down on third and short,
Speaker 11: he doesn't go down because he wanted to do his
Speaker 11: penalty kick celebration and that gets Greg the rain Maker
Speaker 11: lock up.
Speaker 3: I just I'm just so jealous of you, Greg. Everything
Speaker 3: you touch turns the gold this season.
Speaker 2: Stop. I mean, damn, that's a record with a pick
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Well that was a lock. That is eleven and one.
Speaker 4: As I've said, luck is luck is the most important,
Speaker 4: you know ingredient to all this.
Speaker 3: This one was, especially on the Rainmaker side of things,
Speaker 3: really yes, you know, everything is kind of clicking in
Speaker 3: on Rosenveal Boulevard this season.
Speaker 4: Well, when they got the stop on Herber and you
Speaker 4: know when when the charters are going, I'm feeling so
Speaker 4: many emotions here because yes, I want all the children,
Speaker 4: especially overseas, you know, our Scottish listeners all the Yeah,
Speaker 4: I want them and their kids to the Scottish listeners
Speaker 4: have to do with this. Well, they're just they're they're big.
Speaker 4: They love they love Saint Nick, they love the Rainmaker.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I uh, I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm torn because I kind of want to see a
Speaker 4: good game. I want to see Justin Herbert, one of
Speaker 4: my favorite players in the league, go down and not
Speaker 4: have one of these games where he gets the ball
Speaker 4: again at the end of the game and they can't score.
Speaker 4: It ends up happening, you know, twice in this game essentially,
Speaker 4: But when the Ravens got it back, you know, I
Speaker 4: was thinking, if they stop them three times in a row,
Speaker 4: Tucker gets a chance at redemption there, but instead Flowers
Speaker 4: pops the big one. And that's why no one should
Speaker 4: ever actually do this. And I was mad, by the
Speaker 4: way at John Harbaugh and I know it's a kind
Speaker 4: of analytics guy way to think about it, but I
Speaker 4: hated that field goal attempt go for it on fourth
Speaker 4: and too. I hated their play calling tonight. They just
Speaker 4: refuse to run the ball like they were running the
Speaker 4: ball great. And it is the one thing I believe
Speaker 4: in this Ravens team. I love the way Clowney and
Speaker 4: always playing. I love the way they run the ball,
Speaker 4: but their passing attack is erratic, and they're gonna need
Speaker 4: them their receivers in Lamar to win some games and
Speaker 4: you just don't know which one's gonna show up. And
Speaker 4: tonight they could have just won that game if they
Speaker 4: just ran the ball more frequently, and if they had
Speaker 4: gone for that fourth and too to just just try
Speaker 4: to put the way ball game away there, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Keith Mitchell deserves more touches than he's got. He
Speaker 3: got nine in this game and he turned it into
Speaker 3: sixty four yards. I just think every time he touches
Speaker 3: the ball he makes their offense better. And you are
Speaker 3: right about to Damian Clowney. I mean, he looked five
Speaker 3: years younger, and I know it probably annoys Browns fans
Speaker 3: because of him. He didn't live up to the promise
Speaker 3: of a number one overall pick, and then last year
Speaker 3: he essentially quit on that team, and now he's in
Speaker 3: hated Baltimore and playing at a high level he had.
Speaker 3: That's like the holy trinity for a defensive player when
Speaker 3: you can get the sack, the force, fumble and the
Speaker 3: fumble recovery on Herbert. So Clowney has been almost predictably
Speaker 3: the best version of himself once he got to Baltimore.
Speaker 4: Well, they take other people's players and they make them better,
Speaker 4: like pat Rokwan. Smith is just outrageous how good he's playing.
Speaker 4: You get Clowney, van Noy's making plays. I mean Hamilton
Speaker 4: that that was their own pick. But when he made
Speaker 4: a big play early in the game, I think it
Speaker 4: was on Eckler and then did the the too small
Speaker 4: celebration Dan, which you know felt personal to Eckler, you know,
Speaker 4: not the not the tallest guy.
Speaker 3: It's been a tough year for Austin Eckler. That's seven
Speaker 3: and a half sacks for Clowney. I've been tracking very
Speaker 3: closely for over a decade. Will you ever get to ten?
Speaker 3: Maybe this year this could be it.
Speaker 4: Might you might get a Super Bowl ring here, this
Speaker 4: team is nine and three. It's it's why I when
Speaker 4: you ask me who's the one seed, you know is
Speaker 4: the Jaguars early in the day, and then there was
Speaker 4: the Chiefs at midday. And as I was saying, I
Speaker 4: was like, is this going to be dated? Well, no,
Speaker 4: because you listened all the way to the end and
Speaker 4: now the Ravens are the one seed.
Speaker 3: In the It changed hands three times today four yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Dolphins had I think it started with
Speaker 4: the Dolphins went to the Jags, went to the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Now it's the Ravens.
Speaker 3: One last thing I missed it before, but I wanted
Speaker 3: to let you know in the Cadence rankings, I know
Speaker 3: you're your top ten at the end of the year.
Speaker 3: I want you to keep your eye on Titans quarterback
Speaker 3: Will Levis, who has a throaty, aggressive, masculine Cadence call
Speaker 3: and it's something that warrants close eye as his career
Speaker 3: continues to unfold.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: That's why we got to finish this so I can
Speaker 4: dive into that tape. What what a what a transition
Speaker 4: that's like the rot the farm to rogers of Cadences.
Speaker 4: Because Tannehill is one of the one of the greats
Speaker 4: of his generation.
Speaker 2: YEP, I don't think it's a coincidence. All right, that's it.
Speaker 3: We're assuming Mark will get back to his home by
Speaker 3: Ian Mark.
Speaker 4: I feel for you, buddy, because I don't not that
Speaker 4: he's going to listen to this, but I know how
Speaker 4: frustrated he probably is sitting in that traffic.
Speaker 3: I got curiously, I got a lot of like panicked,
Speaker 3: angry texts about it, but it wasn't the three of us.
Speaker 2: So maybe he's he's afraid of you. So maybe you
Speaker 2: guys have to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Why Why would have you afraid of me?
Speaker 4: This is one where yeah, it's that that is not
Speaker 4: on him.
Speaker 3: Mark will be back with us on Monday when we
Speaker 3: have our NFL Plus Game of the Week Eagles Bill,
Speaker 3: so make sure you check that out, and also Monday
Speaker 3: Night Football when we wrap up the week with Bears Vikings.
Speaker 2: Till then, you know what you must do, heed the call.