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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 2: More entertaining than the NFC South from.

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Speaker 3: The Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. I

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Speaker 3: am Dan Hansis and I have heroes here. On the

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Speaker 3: Flagship Program, Week twelve edition. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, how.

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Speaker 4: Are you guys feeling good? The season has begun. We're

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Speaker 4: after Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: That's what they started. It's here. It started well. I

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Speaker 5: would say we're more successful than the NFC South.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. Were better.

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Speaker 3: I think we can make plays in the NFC South person,

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Speaker 3: I think we could hit a couple holes, make a

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Speaker 3: couple of catches, like I can do what Kyle Pitts does.

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Speaker 3: Two for twelve every week.

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Speaker 2: No problem. You know, it was a problem.

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Speaker 3: For the first time since we've been doing this on

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Speaker 3: a Sunday, this happened.

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Speaker 6: Well, ladies and gentlemen, this is a first in my

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Speaker 6: twenty something year broadcasting career. We have an alarm going

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Speaker 6: off in the studios of NFL Red Zone right now

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Speaker 6: in our studios here in Inglewood, California, we are being

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Speaker 6: told we need to evacuate the building. We do not

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Speaker 6: know the nature of the emergency. You can probably hear

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Speaker 6: the alarm going right over the top of my right

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Speaker 6: shoulder here, as it is something absolutely unprecedented for us.

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Speaker 6: We have this game on the closest game, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 6: and Buffalo game. Our control room needs to evacuate at

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Speaker 6: this time. The studio in which I'm standing needs to

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Speaker 6: evacuate at this time.

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Speaker 2: We are all good right now. We're remaining calm, but we.

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Speaker 6: Are following protocols as I'm sure you all would at

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Speaker 6: your places of work, so Tucky continued, hopefully, although this

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Speaker 6: game is in the fourth quarter, I can come back

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Speaker 6: and give you a live update if.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott, that happened.

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Speaker 3: It was a fire drill, and everybody should know that

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Speaker 3: we're okay, We're safe.

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Speaker 5: Wait did he just suggest that we would be doing

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Speaker 5: the same thing that the other would be doing it

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Speaker 5: their places of work if fire alarms went off in

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Speaker 5: those places. Amazing.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was good for team morale. We used

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Speaker 4: to have fire alarms all the time over at our coman.

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Speaker 2: God forsaken building.

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Speaker 3: I think it was built on an ancient Indian burial,

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Speaker 4: It was a weekly and it was a nice time

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Speaker 4: to see your coworkers. This was a little different because

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Speaker 4: we were going out into the parking lot where the

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Speaker 4: Chargers and Ravens Sunday night football game, the fans were

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Speaker 4: getting ready for it, and it smelled like old Qualcomm

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Speaker 3: Of a funk in the air, and then a mixture

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Speaker 3: with the sausage and the peppers and the onions and

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Speaker 3: it just cooking all around us. Reminded you of what

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Speaker 3: we have sacrificed to be here in the studio all

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Speaker 3: these years.

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Speaker 1: And yet and everyone on their phone watching the game,

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Speaker 1: and yet.

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Speaker 3: Us going outside that building when there's a seventy thousand

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Speaker 3: fans streaming in without our bodyguards also major security risk

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Speaker 3: for us, but we were okay with that as well,

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Speaker 3: and in the end everything worked out.

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Speaker 2: I still don't know what the issue was, but.

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Speaker 5: The issue feels mildly faked meal though. If fire truck

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Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars for the company when that happens.

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Speaker 3: How about the old Trojan horse where the fire truck

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Speaker 3: pulls up and then a bunch of like firefighters go in,

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Speaker 3: but they're not really firefighters.

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Speaker 2: One of those deals.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's a shore like a water Gate operation.

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Speaker 2: We're not safe right now? Right? Fun? Not so fun?

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Speaker 2: Is all this happening during one of the games of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 3: Eagles Bills were able to kind of stay with the

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Speaker 3: game on our iPhones and whatnot, But when we got

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Speaker 3: with some dramatics and yes, yet another Billy victor.

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Speaker 7: First ten at the twelve, Perks and the gun Swift

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Speaker 7: COEs in motion.

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Speaker 8: Perks on a quarterback draw, he's at the five, he's

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Speaker 2: Eagles at my hurts? Does are you killing me?

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Speaker 9: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: He's amazing.

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Speaker 10: No, there's a party that Liga Financial Field.

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Speaker 5: At theles of ten and one.

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Speaker 7: I want to win, You're wins.

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Speaker 2: You're all invited. There's a part here at Lica Financial Field.

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Speaker 2: Oh the bongos to the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of a bounce back from producer Eric

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Speaker 3: after last week.

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Speaker 5: Kind of noble of Eric. He's a Bills fan in.

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Speaker 3: Right, bowing his head and saying, I dishonored the bongos

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Speaker 3: last week, and to show you how important they are,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to hand them out to the team that

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Speaker 3: maybe just ended my team season.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good producer Eric.

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Speaker 9: At job bigger than sports, guys at jobs bigger than sports.

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Speaker 3: There is the call from Eagles Radio and it was

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Speaker 3: dramatic indeed, because the Eagles, once again trailing at halftime,

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Speaker 3: find a way getting a fifty nine yard field goal

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Speaker 3: after giving up a field goal in overtime, and then

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Speaker 3: of a miscommunication between Josh Allen and his receiver, Eagles

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Speaker 3: take the ball, go right down the field and yes,

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts moves the Eagles to ten and one.

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Speaker 2: Drama. What a game.

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Speaker 4: This is just one of the best games of the

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Speaker 4: season and one of the most confounding teams I can

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Speaker 4: the world for finding a way to win each one

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Speaker 4: of these games. But they're the rich Man Steelers right now.

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Speaker 4: They have been out gained by at least one hundred yards,

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Speaker 4: not just outgained, outgained by at least one hundred yards

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Speaker 4: in four straight games, and they found a way in

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Speaker 4: each one. And it's a heartbreaker for the Bills because

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Speaker 4: they got their best from Josh Allen. I thought, God

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Speaker 4: mode Josh Allen, who had some setbacks in this game.

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Speaker 4: I know he had the inners, but James Bradberry made

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Speaker 4: an incredible play on that one play. And what did

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Speaker 4: he do to respond to that interception? He went on

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Speaker 4: anything about Josh Allen. He was very likely the best

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Speaker 4: They stymied Jalen Hurts to you know, under fifty yards passing,

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Speaker 4: and in the second half when their defense or their

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Speaker 4: And you give Hurts all the credit in the world

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Speaker 4: of being able to bounce back from that first half

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I mean the first half by Allen and Buffalo's defense

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Speaker 5: was it, Jase. It gave me signals and ideas that

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Speaker 5: this was the game that Bills fans were waiting for,

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Speaker 5: and it just did not complete. I think of little

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Speaker 5: There was the moment where Hassan Reddick absolutely launched Josh

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Speaker 5: a horse caller. Uh, they don't get that call. Instead

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Speaker 5: they called Josh Allen for intentional grounding. Then Jalen Carter

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Speaker 5: blocks of Bills would be field goal. It's like these

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Speaker 5: little moments where it's like against Philadelphia in a raucous

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Speaker 5: were perfect in so many ways, but then you let

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Speaker 5: like the Eagles are imperfect to look at they were,

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Speaker 5: they are not the version of the Eagles we saw

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Speaker 5: last year at this time in the regular season, but

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Speaker 5: you can't let them back in because they win two

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Speaker 5: many different ways. Will always make the play.

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Speaker 3: The Bills having winning time of possession of this game

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Speaker 10: up at eight twenty two Eastern on NBC.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jim.

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Speaker 3: The time of possession forty minutes and thirty seconds in

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Speaker 3: everything Mark just said an allan interception in this game,

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Speaker 3: it's like two things I hated about the way. And

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Speaker 3: I know Eric agrees, you have a three point lead

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Speaker 3: at the end of regulation. Why does it feel like

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Speaker 3: to me that you're conceding the tie at that point

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Speaker 3: It's almost like you're attempting. We don't want to lose

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Speaker 3: And yes, of course Elliott makes an amazing kick, so

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Speaker 3: you can't kill the Bills, But I just didn't like

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Speaker 3: how easily they let him into field goal possession, and

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Speaker 3: then in overtime you get the field goal to go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, even after the miscommunication, make a play. You need

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Speaker 2: to make a play.

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Speaker 3: You need to recover a fumble, you need to have

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Speaker 2: You need to get a sack and be the closer.

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Speaker 3: Again, they could not make a play, and that's why

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Speaker 3: their season is in great peril.

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Speaker 5: Net it's on the brink. They have a buy, then

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Speaker 5: they have the Chiefs. After that. I you know, Greg,

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Speaker 5: I know one thing true of your nuts, and I'm

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Speaker 5: with you that after Jake Elliott made that fifty nine

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Speaker 5: of time where they could have at least taken a

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Speaker 5: shot down field to try to return and answer on

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Speaker 5: their own. And they don't.

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Speaker 4: They don't even do anything. They had twenty seconds. You're

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills. Your best chance to ever win the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl was ended by a drive shorter than twenty seconds.

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Speaker 4: Like you had a time out, you also used one

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Speaker 4: of your timeouts to supposedly ice Jake Ellie.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna ice him. He's in the rain. That

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Speaker 1: gave him more power. He may not have make it

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Speaker 1: if you didn't nice. Let's see.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that call, by the way, from Merril Reeves

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Speaker 3: Jake Elliott in the rain in late November in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these kickers are better than ever and the

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Speaker 3: Kickers Club is gonna be hopping tonight for Jake Elliott.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear that call.

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Speaker 8: He swings the leg with the same speed whether it's

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Speaker 8: an extra point or sixty order.

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Speaker 5: Hold your breath, ball a spot, the kick is away, and.

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Speaker 2: What a kicker.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is, if Elliott doesn't hit that fifty

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Speaker 4: Then another penalty on Kelsey, and then aj Brown catches

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Speaker 4: Even though the defense was not good on this day,

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Speaker 3: I was referring greg though to uh at the point

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Speaker 3: then they why it just didn't think didn't see they were.

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Speaker 5: One point though, the Bills were almost perfect on third

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Speaker 5: it really came down to just like a handful of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there were a couple of miscommunications too, and like

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Speaker 4: there there was another throat that Alan Allen's receivers sold

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Speaker 4: should point out the Eagles got bad news before this game.

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Speaker 4: Lane Johnson didn't suit up, which is extremely rare.

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Speaker 1: Then Fusher Cox left in the middle of this game.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Carter was going in and out. So they they

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Speaker 4: found way despite those injuries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again another reminder that the Ravens and Chargers

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: As a group, Yes, we were equally mystified why that

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Speaker 3: We we've we surmised that it had something to do

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Speaker 3: it didn't stop being annoying it.

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Speaker 5: I think it was annoying to Nance after a point too,

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Speaker 5: the skift happens.

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Speaker 11: You cannot, Oh my god, you cannot lose that game, Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: No, that's and yet it's a killer.

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Speaker 3: And yet I have love for you Bills fans because

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Speaker 3: in the back of my mind, I'm like, Josh Allen's

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Speaker 2: He had, He's playing so great, But somehow.

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Speaker 3: They find a way. They're an organization, They're one of

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Speaker 5: How high the pressure is dialed up when they come

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Speaker 2: Right, they had to have this game. I think their

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's over because I think we saw tonight.

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Speaker 4: You know how good they can be offensively, and I

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Speaker 1: They didn't close the game.

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Speaker 4: But I do agree that the specter of both these

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Speaker 4: this game, it would have felt like, oh wow, suddenly

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Speaker 4: But they just don't let that happen. It's amazing, and

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Speaker 3: All right, here we go save that because on NFL

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Speaker 3: Plus tomorrow, Greg, we're gonna talk this game as well.

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Speaker 2: Bill's Eagles just start.

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Speaker 5: We'll say all different things tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's head to another great ending, this one

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Speaker 12: From the left hash from fifty eight yards away, Matt

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Speaker 12: Ammndola trullid, Maddie.

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Speaker 13: Johnson puts it down. There's the kick, the fifty eight

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Speaker 2: The field goal is no good and.

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Speaker 1: The Jags takeover.

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Speaker 8: It'll take a knee one time.

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Speaker 2: Wow, great call by Frank Franzi. W O kV. It

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Speaker 3: Ramon Doolan the Texans, but it is the Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's changed since the final,

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Speaker 2: Is that still where they stand?

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Speaker 4: That is not where they stand by tiebreaker because of

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Speaker 1: And this game had had everything.

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Speaker 4: It had what felt like almost a clinching win here

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Speaker 4: I thought Row was insane, totally insane, and it reminded

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Speaker 4: And it just started like a cavalcade of bad calls.

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Speaker 5: they're like absolutely wild card worthy and some weird stuff

444
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 5: is happening in the AFC in general. But we'll see

445
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 5: about the division.

446
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 4: That their total lack of a threat of running killed

447
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 4: them in this game. They like refuse to run it

448
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: on third and one, fourth and one. Singletary got most

449
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: of the stats, even though Damian Pierce was back, but

450
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 4: they combined for thirty two yards on eleven carries.

451
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: CJ.

452
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 4: Stroud was their leading rusher, also at a rushing touchdown.

453
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 4: Like they are a little limited, and there were moments

454
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Speaker 4: in this game I thought Lawrence played a good game,

455
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 4: but I thought it was a great game plan by

456
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 4: the Jaguars because there were wide open receivers multiple times,

457
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 4: kind of on busts, just on like swing passes, they're

458
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 4: tight end rumbled for a forty seven yard play, like

459
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: Kirk was wide open right before the half for a

460
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 4: fifty seven yard play. Lawrence is like completion percentage of overexpect.

461
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 4: It was actually like a negative three point six in

462
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 4: this game. I think he played well because in the end,

463
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 4: like Ridley dropped a long touchdo in the end, they

464
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: went outside and they went deep, and that's what I've

465
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 4: been asking them to do all year and they did

466
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 4: it with success. So I can't fault them. But I

467
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 4: think it was just a good aggressive game plan by

468
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Speaker 4: the Jaguars.

469
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, C. J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson, who obviously had

470
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Speaker 3: a promising rookie season cut short by injury. There are

471
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Speaker 3: some there's some good young talent in this division, and

472
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence doesn't like it.

473
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Speaker 14: I want the teams in our division to be as

474
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Speaker 14: bad as possible, So no, I'm not. That's how I

475
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Speaker 14: see it, And the way they're playing it's exciting. Yes,

476
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Speaker 14: there's gonna be some I'm sure some great matchups down

477
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Speaker 14: the road, and CJ's playing, He's playing lights out. He's

478
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Speaker 14: doing a great job. I mean, to be a rookie

479
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 14: and to play how he is. I got a lot

480
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 14: of respect for him. I know that, I know how

481
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 14: hard it is. You know, I've been in that position.

482
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Speaker 14: So he's doing a great job and it's gonna be

483
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Speaker 14: fun for years to come hopefully. So But no, I mean,

484
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Speaker 14: I wouldn't prefer that. I'd prefer I'd prefer if you know, guy,

485
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 14: the guys in our division didn't have good quarterbacks and

486
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 14: be better for us.

487
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Speaker 5: But you know what I like about him, Like you

488
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 5: got these quarterbacks coming out in like four thousand dollars

489
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 5: three piece suits. He's like in a dented hoodie and

490
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 5: like an orange hat with his long hair hanger.

491
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Speaker 3: That made me think of him saying I prefer that

492
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: the division sucks. I don't know if you guys caught it,

493
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: which I agree, i'd be the same with. I don't

494
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: know if you caught Alex Smith on the ESPN this morning,

495
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: ethering everyone at the DAIS. They were having a conversation

496
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Speaker 3: about Tom Brady's comments that the league feels watered down

497
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: and the play is not at a high level. And

498
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: Alex Smith was like, whoa, stop the clocks here, Tom,

499
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: you played in the AFC East and that is that

500
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: was a terrible division your entire career. And then it's like, oh,

501
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: there's Rex Ryan on the dais, there's Teddy Bruski, there's

502
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 3: Randy Moss, and they're all like hamanahamana. But good for you,

503
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: Alex Smith. I like that he said that.

504
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Tom Brady's overall point is well conceived.

505
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: Is Alex Smith? Yeah?

506
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, But it's also the most cliche thing, like lazy

507
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: thing for an old ex player that's really not paying

508
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 4: that close attention to the game to say. And Alex

509
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: Smith is lazy too. Because the Patriots, I love throw

510
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 4: this one. I had a higher winning percentage against the

511
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 4: rest of the league than they did and then their

512
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 4: own division throughout their run.

513
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Speaker 2: How about that?

514
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: Like that sounds like a Greg fact. Can we check

515
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: that one? You know, some of these Willing Hilly facts

516
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: are thrown out lately. It's true his winning percentage was

517
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: higher outside the AFC's.

518
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Speaker 4: They were both were extremely high. I was like six

519
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 4: sixty whatever it was. They were basically the same. But

520
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 4: they were slightly.

521
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: Better on a data dive on that.

522
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were slightly better outside the division.

523
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Speaker 4: You know, those Dolphins gave them troubles down and they

524
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: dominated everyone.

525
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Speaker 1: Was the point.

526
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Speaker 4: It's not like anyone outside the division was doing any

527
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Speaker 4: better whatever.

528
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Speaker 7: All right, next, Rashid in motion, here's car now wants

529
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Speaker 7: to throw in or sept he's got great grass forty

530
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Speaker 7: fifty forty.

531
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Speaker 1: Twenty straded out Jesse touch.

532
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Speaker 2: Down Atlanta.

533
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: And New Orleans commits their first ret zone turnover of.

534
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Speaker 2: The year, and it wouldn't be their last.

535
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: On Sunday, the call there West Durham w ZGC.

536
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: Good call.

537
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: Derek Carr threw a pick six, Taysom Hill later lost

538
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: to fumble at the ten yard line, and the Falcons,

539
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: opportunistically on defense keep themselves in the game.

540
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: On the same day that Desmond.

541
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Speaker 3: Ritter was doing his usual high wire act that included

542
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 3: falling off a few times. But in the end, a

543
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 3: Ridder touchdown passed the Bijon Robinson gave Atlanta breathing room,

544
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 3: and they held on for a twenty four to fifteen

545
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: win over the Saints, a win that puts the Falcons

546
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Speaker 3: into a tie in first place. With the Saints at

547
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: five and six. That tells you a lot about what

548
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: you need to know about the NFC South. It's not good.

549
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: The football in this game was not very good, but

550
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: it was fun and sloppy and ultimately you could sense

551
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: the tension and the bad blood between these teams, which

552
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: is famous. This was a game though, that we'll get

553
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: the people in New Orleans fired up because it was

554
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: the ultimate saintsy game on offense.

555
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, this is your concern about the Derek

556
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: Carr experience in general, because you're going to get some highs.

557
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: He's a tough player, but the lows are going to

558
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: cost you. They were zero for five in the red

559
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 5: zone today in general, and I guess from a Falcons angle,

560
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 5: you know, we've waited for a game like this, which

561
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: seems to be more the blueprint that they were hoping for,

562
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: with two hundred and twenty eight yards on the ground,

563
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 5: Bejon Robinson running all over the place. But the problem is,

564
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 5: I think we have enough evidence to suggest and tell

565
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 5: us that Desmond Ritter is just going to keep costing

566
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: you one way or another and is exactly who they

567
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 5: are right now.

568
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

569
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Speaker 3: You have to Arthur Smith has been under fire for

570
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: this whole season, and I don't think that's going to

571
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: change after this game. But they did seem to finally

572
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: understand a few things, making sure to get Bije on

573
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: the ball, who went over one hundred total yards and

574
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: had two touchdowns in this game.

575
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: It needs to drive through him.

576
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: Enough of this silly business about all we want to

577
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: keep him fresh. It's late November, it's time. They also

578
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: kind of de emphasized Tyler Algier. They gave Quarterell Patterson

579
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: some work and they found a nice balance because Patterson

580
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: did some work in this game, Bijeon made his plays,

581
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: and then when it was time to close out the

582
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: game in the fourth quarter, it was Algier who had

583
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: some tough runs that helped chew up the clock and

584
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: take this thing home. So there is something to be

585
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: said for Atlanta's ability to make those stops because it

586
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: was a crazy those stops in the red zone, because

587
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: the Saints moved the ball pretty well in this game.

588
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: In fact, I believe they punted once.

589
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: One hundred and forty four total yards. Right, Falcons defens

590
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: has not been playing well in general.

591
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: So they were kind of going up and down the

592
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: field until they got into the red zone. And I guess,

593
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: on the subject not accusing you guys of this, but

594
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: on the subject of laziness, it's I think it's very

595
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: easy to just point a Car and be like he's

596
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 3: the reason. But then you watch the games and you

597
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: see what a team effort it is. It's rahiit Shahi

598
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: dropping a ball at the goal line. It's Car obviously

599
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: throwing a bad pick six to Jesse Bates, and then

600
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: it's Taysom Hill trying too hard to get extra yardage

601
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: and him fundling fumbling it. It's penalties along the offensive

602
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: line that are pushing them out of the zone. And

603
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: all these things are coming together and making a vicious

604
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: stew of this team that is just not putting it together.

605
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: And yes, you're gonna hear more I would imagine about

606
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston potentially coming in. But I guess my point

607
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: is there's there's more guys that aren't playing sound football

608
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: on this offense.

609
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: Here's Dennis Allen on his quarterback, some some good and

610
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: some bad.

611
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 15: You know, you know, obviously I got to go back

612
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 15: and look at the interception to see exactly what happened

613
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 15: on that look I knew Bates was a really good player,

614
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 15: and it's not the first time he's made it play

615
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 15: like that. So I thought there were some plays that

616
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 15: that that Derek made, and I think there were some

617
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 15: plays that you know, we'd like to have back.

618
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: And I agree with that assessment, and you could and

619
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: and it's it's fair that Carr needs to be better

620
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: and maybe this is just who he is, but it's

621
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: a very frustrating watch.

622
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 16: Well.

623
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Speaker 4: His defense is a total disappointment. The only difference with

624
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: the Falcons running attack today, it's not like they gave

625
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: it more to Bizon really or anything. It's just like

626
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: they were good at it. They've been bad at it

627
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: all year. They haven't been getting a consistent push on

628
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: their offensive line, they haven't been getting consistent yardage. And

629
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: whoever was running the ball back there got it done.

630
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: And so if you're getting pushed around defensively, that's not

631
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: what Dennis Allen wants. He he he played everything in

632
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: the red zone on like penalties and in the turnovers today,

633
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: but they've been sloppy in the red zone all year.

634
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: Alave got hurt in this game. He had a concussion

635
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: right and he'd left in this game, and they already

636
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: put Lattimore on injured reserve right before the game this weekend,

637
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: and Thomas is uninjured reserve. They were the healthiest team

638
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: in the NFL going into a couple of weeks ago,

639
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: and now they're suddenly catching the injury bug at a

640
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: bad time, and it is I think the fans are

641
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: out for blood.

642
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone people.

643
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: Aren't thrilled with Derek Carr, but they're I think the

644
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: anger is mostly focused at Dennis Allen.

645
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they've wanted Dennis Allen gone since last season.

646
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: A cents they got that.

647
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting also that like and again, I

648
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: think Carr is one of those guys. Some guys struggle,

649
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: and it's seemed globally like what's wrong with this offense?

650
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: For some reason, sometimes I feel like he becomes just

651
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: the guy everybody points to.

652
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: It's the eye test, but to me is the ultimate

653
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: eye test guy that that like, he's he's a frustrating watch.

654
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: I agree with that frustrates me endless, Like, but why

655
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: don't we why aren't we hearing things about their play

656
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: calling in the red zone?

657
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, Pete Carmichael didn't even want to be quarterback?

658
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Is there a car That's that's my point. He is

659
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: a lightning rod, That's all I'm saying.

660
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 5: Car is too heavily scapegoaded because other quarterbacks around the

661
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: league right now are playing at no higher level. But

662
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 5: there's something about the Derek Carr like experience. I think

663
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Speaker 5: a lot of it is early on his career. You

664
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Speaker 5: could shape his performances statistically to the picture of a

665
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Speaker 5: better quarterback than he seems to be when you're watching him.

666
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Speaker 4: And Carmichael has been take you know, locally, I don't know,

667
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, I'm locked into the Saints coverage, but like

668
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: they're they're tired of everything about this team. But Carmichael

669
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: takes a ton of heat this year locally. He's not

670
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Speaker 4: someone who obviously is getting much attention astally.

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Speaker 1: The crazy in this division.

672
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Speaker 4: I mean, podcasts are free, freely available, the websites are available.

673
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Speaker 1: You check it out.

674
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Speaker 4: But you are going to be dragged through this because

675
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: it's like none of this is going anywhere. They're both

676
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: five and six, The Bucks are four and four, four

677
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: wins on the season, and like this this is gonna

678
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 4: be a crawl to the finish, and there's gonna be

679
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Speaker 4: more of these days and like, you're not gonna be

680
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Speaker 4: like led out of this.

681
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be in it to the end. All these teams,

682
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Speaker 1: one of.

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Speaker 5: Them is gonna be the fourth seed. I mean, that's

684
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Speaker 5: at an outrage.

685
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Speaker 3: Shout out to Honey Badger, who had two picks in

686
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Speaker 3: this game and Jesse Bates, who I said had we

687
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: heard had the pick six and also had the punch

688
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Speaker 3: out on Taysom Hill. It's a two point game at

689
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Speaker 3: that point with the Saints poised to take the lead.

690
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Speaker 2: I believe it was the fourth quarter.

691
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Speaker 3: Uh, and he punches that ball out and that was

692
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Speaker 3: as close as the Saints came in this game.

693
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Speaker 2: So a huge win for the Falcons.

694
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Speaker 3: Ridder, I'll let me just say Ritter also played another

695
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Ritter esque game in that about deep into the second quarter,

696
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: you're saying, oh, wow, he's having his best game. Then

697
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: he has a miserable red zone interception, throws another bad

698
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: pick and this just is just this, like this y

699
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Speaker 3: yin and yang with him.

700
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's a.

701
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Speaker 3: At this point a playoff quarterback, but you can understand

702
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: why Arthur Smith is going to stick with them moving forward,

703
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: all right, up next, we roll on to Cincinnati, where

704
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Speaker 3: the Steelers got to face a Joe Burrow free Cincinnati

705
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: team desperate for a win.

706
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Speaker 10: Bengals third and three empty the set from there thirty two.

707
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 10: They're two for eight on third downs a trio thirteen

708
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Speaker 10: to seven. Brownie pinches the left receiver, big rush, he

709
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Speaker 10: is crist fight.

710
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Speaker 2: TJ. Watt? What what was that? A freak train? No?

711
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Speaker 2: It was number ninety.

712
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Speaker 12: Wow is about all you can say?

713
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Speaker 2: Was here? Was he blocked there?

714
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Speaker 5: Not by a functioning human?

715
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Speaker 15: Oh?

716
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Speaker 2: Wow? All right? So TJ.

717
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Speaker 3: Watt with a crushing hit on Jake Brown in one

718
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Speaker 3: of several big plays by the Pittsburgh defense in a

719
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Speaker 3: sixteen to ten win over the Bengals. Pittsburgh now seven

720
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Speaker 3: and four, and there they are, the Bengals with ol

721
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, five and six and winless in their division.

722
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Speaker 2: It all adds up to very bad news in Cincy.

723
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Speaker 3: But for Pittsburgh, mark progress another win, and also the

724
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Speaker 3: offense did something today that they had never done under

725
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Speaker 3: the previous offensive coordinator of Matt Cande.

726
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a Joe Burrow free game for the Steelers,

727
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 5: but a Matt Canada free game also for the Steelers

728
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 5: and incomes Mike Sullivan, longtime NFL assistant, to call the plays,

729
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 5: and for the first time in forty fifty eight games,

730
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Speaker 5: they cracked four hundred yards and give them some applause.

731
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Speaker 5: Deserve it.

732
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Speaker 4: We were like knee deep in the pandemic season when

733
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: the last time year, I mean.

734
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Speaker 5: Week two of twenty twenty, how much must it suck?

735
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Speaker 3: Early showing legitimate empathy here for Matt Canada, who maybe

736
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: wasn't great at his job in Pittsburgh, but he's probably

737
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 3: a little down on the dump sitting on the couch

738
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: watching the games and did fifty eight games as their

739
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: OC I believe the number was, and never got four

740
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: hundred two. Immediately watched the team that just fired him

741
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: cross that threshold. You gotta have some second thoughts about

742
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: some decisions you've made.

743
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, had it come three weeks from now, it

744
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 5: would feel and look days out immediately.

745
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: He's probably also a little salty that, like, they had

746
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: the hardest schedule in the league by far for offenses,

747
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: in terms of opposing defenses, and then they played the

748
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: team that's giving up the most explosive plays in the

749
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Speaker 4: league and can't stop anyone on the ground late in game.

750
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Speaker 4: Then again, the Steelers only scored sixteen points, which is,

751
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: oh yeah, so that's the thing.

752
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 5: Like it from a yardage standpoint, I thought Pickett played

753
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 5: a pretty good game. You know, he's actually snapped the

754
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: Steelers franchise record for contexts and consecutive passes without an interception,

755
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: so he's not giving the ball away. There were more

756
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 5: big shots downfield. Uh, Pat Fryarmuth made a huge difference.

757
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: He had one hundred and twenty yards off nine catches.

758
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 5: I mean, he was or of the of the offense

759
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: Najie Harris ninety nine yards and a touchdown. And then

760
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: I'm we played the TJ. Watt highlight because he does

761
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: this every week. I mean, he ended two drives with

762
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 5: like titanic crushings of Jake Browning, who is just a guy.

763
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: He's Jake Browning was not helpless, and he's not really

764
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 5: entirely the reason that they're going to lose these games.

765
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Speaker 5: He can move a little bit on his feet. He

766
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 5: had one or two nice drives. But it's like you're

767
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: just watching the ghost and the husk of a team

768
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Speaker 5: that we thought could go to the super Bowl.

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the defensive you know, issues have been there. You know,

770
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: they're zero to four in the division, they're one and

771
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: six in the conference now. A lot of those games,

772
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Speaker 4: obviously most of them are with Joe Burrow, so they

773
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: had issues. But it's depressing to feel like the Bengals

774
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: at five and six are already basically out of our

775
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: lives for the season.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor.

777
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta bring up Zach Taylor a little bit.

778
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Four and twenty in starts without Joe Burrow as.

779
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Speaker 5: Bengals, Well, and it looked like it today and part

780
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 5: of it Bill Delchick and starts without Tom Brady there,

781
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 5: four and fifty.

782
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: Well, during those during that stretch, and they were they

783
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 4: were great, right, They went three and one with Jimmy

784
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: g and Jeoey Brissett went eleven and five with Matt Castle.

785
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 4: That during that stretch they were great.

786
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: They look doomed because if you're gonna have Jake Browning,

787
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 5: to the truth, you gotta be able to like.

788
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you can't go after Zach Taylor.

789
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: Yes, in that way when I'm just my point is

790
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: they're probably not gonna be winning.

791
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: Of course, they're gonna suck without Joe Burrow.

792
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, well, yeah, I mean, you know, I

793
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: predicted before the season that the Steelers would have twelve wins.

794
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 5: If they accomplish that, it will be done in the

795
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: most milk toast fashion possible, because I.

796
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: Know it's maybe they'll get better.

797
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: I mean, their defense is legit. I I think it's

798
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 5: encouraging what they did on offense, but I don't I

799
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 5: need to see it weeks in a row to buy

800
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: into it.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of The division is a little bit of

802
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: a bummer from where it was a month ago because

803
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: Cleveland and we'll talk about them later, is just kind

804
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: of a mess now because their quarterback position. The Bengals

805
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: are more or less out of it as we know,

806
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is even with this game. It's so it's not

807
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: like it's like pinch me watching this offense. And then

808
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: you have the Ravens.

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00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: Of course they're hanging around though. Seven and four, yep,

810
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: anything else.

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Speaker 9: I have something, guys, if we're going to go and

812
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 9: we got a break here, a little bit of housekeeping, yes,

813
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 9: you know, coming in a phrase. Bill's got on another

814
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 9: end of a bad loss here. The Cincinnati Zoo locked

815
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Speaker 9: up Eagles. That's right, that was a big win for.

816
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: The Cincinnati this week.

817
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, wait to bring that up, But that's good because

818
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 4: he would have had a conspiracy theory if we forgot.

819
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Speaker 9: I don't want to get too far down the road.

820
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 9: And then I forgot at the circle.

821
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 1: Back doubly annoyed watching the end of that game.

822
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: I gotta say, the zoo with the zoo keeper, Nick

823
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: Wrestling got the magic touch.

824
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 5: Three.

825
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: It's not over, Greg, not not at all.

826
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Speaker 1: And think of these late wins he had the Eagles

827
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: last week too.

828
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Speaker 5: With these late I mean we did eradicate the entire competition.

829
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: He's it's a great, incredible start.

830
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Speaker 5: Canceled the competition for Nick.

831
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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and then we will

832
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Speaker 3: bring in another Nick. All right, we are back and

833
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: it is time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by

834
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Led us head to Denver,

835
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: where the resurgent Broncos look to keep it up against

836
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Speaker 3: the Brownies.

837
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Speaker 12: Second down goal from the two Javonte Williams to the

838
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 12: right of.

839
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: Russell, two receivers on each side of the set.

840
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 12: He brings MEM's emotion. He keeps it again, running to

841
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 12: the right side Wilson leaps into the end zone, touchdown.

842
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 12: Denver three quarterback keeps on this drive Wilson from three

843
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 12: yards out.

844
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Speaker 10: Are you kidding me?

845
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Speaker 17: Are we looking at thirty four year old Russell Wilson

846
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Speaker 17: or twenty four year old Russell Wilson.

847
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Speaker 2: Oh, David Logan with a call he didn't like that.

848
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson ran.

849
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Speaker 3: For a touchdown and threw a touchdown pass and that

850
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: was kind of a vintage Russ throw later in the game,

851
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Speaker 3: giving the Broncos the extra cushion in a twenty nine

852
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Speaker 3: to twelve win over the Browns. Let's welcome in the pipe,

853
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: Nick Shook, and Nick, you had a Browns team here

854
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: that is struggling at the quarterback position and a Denver

855
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: team that cannot stop winning all of a sudden. This

856
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: is one of the more surprising developments of the season.

857
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Speaker 18: We are witnessing an absolute attitude shift in Denver.

858
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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 18: This is a team that started one to five and

860
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Speaker 18: got a you know, seventy burger dropping them by Miami.

861
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Speaker 5: They look like a team that had no life.

862
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: Sean Payton was a disaster.

863
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Speaker 18: Russell Wilson was over the hill, and all a sudden,

864
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Speaker 18: they started winning some games, key'd mostly by their defense,

865
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Speaker 18: But now it's all coming into form. Now if you

866
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 18: look at the stats, you'll think, well, Russell didn't didn't

867
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Speaker 18: really do that much. We didn't have to do that much.

868
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Speaker 18: I mean, the defense played really well for the most part.

869
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Speaker 18: The ground game was fantastic against the NFL's scariest defense,

870
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Speaker 18: and they put a bit together a complimentary win that

871
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 18: only further emphasized this turnaround that's happening in Denver right now.

872
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 18: They're six and five, and frankly, if they play like

873
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 18: this guy's on a weekly basis, and especially in the

874
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 18: road where they haven't been as good as they've been

875
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 18: at home, then we're talking about a Denver Broncos team

876
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 18: that's gonna end up in the playoffs. That's how good,

877
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 18: that's how strong they look right now. They play with

878
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 18: an attitude, they out physical the Browns. Russell Wilson's got

879
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 18: a nice streea games played together here, everything's just starting

880
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 18: to come together. It's really pretty for the first time.

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Speaker 18: It's twenty fifteen.

882
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: The Broncos. They matter, and they play like that matter.

883
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: It's fun.

884
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a great coaching job by Sean Payton.

885
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: They talked about coming into the game wanting to remove

886
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett, who was ineffective in this game and then

887
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 5: could not lift his left arm for the most of

888
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 5: the second half. Oh no, no, see what's going on there?

889
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 5: It did not look good to me. They came in

890
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 5: the Browns without Denzel Ward, who I think is a

891
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 5: huge part of this Jim Schwartz defense, No Anthony Walker

892
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: and Denver you know, showing zero fear about the Cleveland

893
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 5: Browns defense. Ran the ball right up the gut of

894
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 5: Cleveland's d like from the start. They had one hundred

895
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: yards before the first half ended. Wow, Russell a lot

896
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: of it. And the reason I think that you got

897
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 5: that comment about Russell Wilson looking like the old Russell

898
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 5: Wilson is that the element of his game that's been

899
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 5: missing in the earlier parts of this season and last

900
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 5: year was the mobility and the guy on the ground

901
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: who can affect you. And I thought he did a

902
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 5: nice job against Cleveland on the ground today and they

903
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: you know, if you're Cleveland, you're going into the game

904
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: with Dorian Thompson Robinson at rookie who's still learning on

905
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: the job. He gets absolutely destroyed by Baron Browning, he was,

906
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 5: you know, lights out, a concussion time, bloody lip removed

907
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 5: from the game.

908
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: PJ.

909
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 5: Walker comes in and for both of these quarterbacks, I

910
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 5: thought that tell tell me if you thought Kevin Stefanski

911
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: did some weird stuff in this game, they got way

912
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 5: too cute. They didn't stick with what was working, which

913
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 5: I thought they ran the ball pretty well early, they

914
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 5: got away from it to all these sort of trick plays.

915
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: One that cost them dearly on a terrible fumble, and

916
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 5: you got like, how many drops in this game and

917
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: how many bad David Djokhu plays that put their quarterbacks

918
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 5: into a terrible situation because they were hanging around until

919
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: the floor fell out late.

920
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 18: Yeah, they actually had a chance to put together a

921
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 18: comeback before dtr got hurt and even after he got

922
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 18: knocked out of the game. That's where the two sides

923
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 18: of Kevin Stefanci's coin really came into play. Because you know,

924
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 18: Greg has talked about this, and I totally agree that

925
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 18: Kevin Stefanski has done a great job of coaching them

926
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 18: in certain situations and getting guys open, especially with everything

927
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 18: they're dealing with a quarterback. But there's been many other

928
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 18: instances in which he's tried to be the smartest guy

929
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 18: in the room and he's gotten way too cute. So

930
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 18: as soon as dtr comes out of this game at

931
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 18: the start of the fourth quarter, you got PJ. Walker

932
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 18: back there, who, by the way, is not an NFL quarterback.

933
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 18: We can all agree on that at this point, and

934
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 18: they run a reverse. They run a reverse that starts

935
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 18: with Elijah Boor in the backfield. He tosses the ball

936
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 18: to Pierre Strong, who lined up as a receiver and

937
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 18: he's a running back in case for those who don't know,

938
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 18: he's a running back, and he did not catch that pitch.

939
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 18: It was a fubble. Denver goes down scores. It's a

940
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 18: backbreaking touchdown, and the Browns go from being in a

941
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 18: position where they're winning the game on the ground and

942
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 18: they're really close to tying it up or taking the

943
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 18: leader because they were only down five points at that moment,

944
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 18: to suddenly being completely out of it because you know

945
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 18: that PJ. Walker is not going to throw them to

946
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 18: a victory. And as soon as he got another opportunity,

947
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 18: he was overwhelmed, overmatched. I would have blitzed the living

948
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 18: daylights out of it. Much like the Broncos did creative pressure,

949
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 18: just a great coaching job on both sides of the ball.

950
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 18: They out schemed Jim Schwartz's defense. A lot of the

951
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 18: runs were just excellently designed. They attacked the perimeter, they

952
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 18: won the perimeter. The Browns missed those guys on defense,

953
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 18: no doubt, but they were just the better team both

954
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 18: in execution and in coaching. And Kevin Stefanski did himself

955
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 18: zero favors with trying to be the smartest guy in

956
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 18: the room in certain situation.

957
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: Here would be because we're seeing it at the Metal

958
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Lands right now too. My concern about the Browns mark

959
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: you do you agree that as good as the defense is,

960
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: if the offense is going to be stuck in mud,

961
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be a lot of three and outs

962
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: or just a bad field position, and you're going to

963
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: continue to put the d into difficult situations and eventually

964
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: the damn cracks when you keep doing that. The offense

965
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: needs to be more giving them more right now.

966
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it reminds me of the loss to Baltimore. It's

967
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 5: the worst possible situation for Cleveland that this is what

968
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 5: it is going forward to. And I think you get

969
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 5: to a point where the injuries have mounted. Like I mentioned,

970
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 5: no Denzil Board and we'll see what happens with him.

971
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 5: Amari Cooper went out of this game. I'm really concerned

972
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: to hear about what happened to Miles Garrett. You don't

973
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 5: have Nick Chubb, you lost your starting quarterback, you lost

974
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 5: Jack Conklin, Jederick Wills, Marcius Goodwin, Rodney McCleod, your second quarterback,

975
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 5: Jacob Phillips, jackiem Grant, and we'll see what happens with

976
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 5: the rest of these guys. It's like you're just down

977
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 5: to the point where too many positions are vulnerable and

978
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: you can't just rely on defense to continue to stack

979
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: wins here.

980
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: Well and to your point like teams will see that

981
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: and a couple of times that the Browns defense hasn't

982
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: looked great, it's because of.

983
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: The run defense.

984
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to put them giving up one hundred

985
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: yards rushing in the first half on their quarterback. So

986
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: it's so hard for a defense to be that dominant

987
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: every single week. You're gonna need some weeks for your

988
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 4: offense to pick him up. And I can't expect the

989
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: Broncos defense to stay this good because it's just a

990
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 4: little crazy. But since that Jets game that was where

991
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: I know they lost the next week on Thursday Night

992
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: Football to the Chiefs, but that game was actually, you know,

993
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: reasonably close. They kind of bottomed out in that Jeff's

994
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: game where they gave up thirty one points. They've give

995
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: averaged sixteen and a half points allowed. That's over a

996
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: six game stretch here, and they've forced let's count them up,

997
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: they had twelve turnovers and three games coming to this week,

998
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: so that's fifteen turnovers they forced in the last four weeks.

999
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: That's pretty outrageous.

1000
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, Sean Payton's doing a great job and they're

1001
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: limiting mistakes and they're really playing complimentary. But Vance Joseph's like,

1002
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: got this group playing great. It's pretty crazy.

1003
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 3: We uh, six weeks ago, I think it was work

1004
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 3: the Denver BRONCX whoops sailed who have now won five.

1005
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: Games in a row. So keep an eye on again

1006
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: the bottom of these guys.

1007
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: That a record for us, like for someone to like,

1008
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: don't I don't actually think they are in the playoffs

1009
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: as of today, just because of tiebreakers, right like that

1010
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: for the quickest for a team to get back in.

1011
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 4: It's a problem position that after getting forged, But you.

1012
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: Gotta you gotta give them credit because like Nick said,

1013
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: and we got to move on. But to start the

1014
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: season the way they did, and that with that historic

1015
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: seventy burd you're.

1016
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Like to now be on a five game winning streak

1017
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: and be right in the mix.

1018
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 9: Uh.

1019
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: Credit to everyone involved there, and let's see if they

1020
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: keep it up. And that was the Sunday Drive presented

1021
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,920
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1022
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: Slash Grand Highlander. Speaking of teams on a streak, remember

1023
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: the Colts were like, oh, the Colts are back there.

1024
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: They're in that number seven spin still around. And not

1025
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: only are they still around, they are very much in

1026
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: playoff contention to Indie we go shotgun stat for Mayfield

1027
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: in the pocket, the ball stripped, the ball is out

1028
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: gone around the thirty eight yard line on.

1029
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 11: The recovery by Tyo at tang Bo and a strip

1030
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 11: sack by steps.

1031
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: That someone's been drinking, like gets home tonight from the

1032
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: flay his wife, It's like, how is the game con

1033
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: com gone?

1034
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that was Matt Taylor, but he was an Ebicon guy.

1035
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Ebcom evercom guy is Rick Van Terri.

1036
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: I believe, oh ex coach ebcom. Yes, it was another

1037
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: win for the Colts. Jonathan Taylor two touchdowns and the

1038
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: defense comes up with a late turnover in a twenty

1039
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: seven twenty win over the Bucks. So yes, that's three

1040
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: wins in a row for Indy now six and five show.

1041
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, Gardner Minshew doesn't give you a high ceiling, right,

1042
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 18: But the most important thing that he should do is

1043
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 18: not hurt you. And he threw a pick today, but

1044
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 18: he also had a rushing touchdown and he did what

1045
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 18: he's done for most of these games, which is key

1046
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 18: completions in certain situations, struggles on third down, but keeps

1047
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 18: them afloat. And in this type of matchup, it was

1048
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 18: the defense's game to win. And what did they win it.

1049
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 18: They picked off Baker Mayfield after he came back from

1050
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 18: an early injury. Ronnie Harrison, making his Colts debut, gets

1051
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 18: a pick of his former Rounds teammate.

1052
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: They turned that into a touchdown.

1053
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 18: They sacked Baker a number of times, They pressure him

1054
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 18: fourteen times, they get after him, and even after Rashad

1055
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 18: White ran fifteen times for one hundred yards, the Buccaneers

1056
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 18: still couldn't piece together enough consistent offensive production to get

1057
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 18: back into this game. Now, credit to them, they did

1058
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 18: make it interesting at the end. That's what led to

1059
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 18: that strip sack and the repeated mention of Samson ebucom

1060
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 18: But it had to come down to that for them

1061
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 18: to even have that opportunity, because they weren't.

1062
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: Able to get out of their own way.

1063
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 18: And it's another loss that is all too familiar for

1064
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 18: Buccaneers fans right now. You get both sides, like I said,

1065
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 18: you get both sides of the Kevin Stefanski's coin. You

1066
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 18: get both sides of the Baker Mayfield coin, which is gritty, tough,

1067
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 18: gonna go all the way to the end and give

1068
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 18: you everything he's got, but he's also gonna make a

1069
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 18: few errors and if they're in crucial spots, they'll probably

1070
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 18: lose you a game.

1071
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: And that's definitely what happened today.

1072
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about Derek Carr being a frustrating watch

1073
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 5: far too often, but I think Mayfield fits into the

1074
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 5: same sort of category where you got like the heightened

1075
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 5: good of him today because every one of these games

1076
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 5: he'll like rumble for a first down on third and long,

1077
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 5: and it's kind of like he jazz is up the

1078
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 5: team and you can see what you like about him,

1079
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: and it'll convert a couple of big throws to Godwin

1080
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 5: or Evans, but then it's the killer turnover. And it's

1081
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 5: like I was watching this out of the corner of

1082
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: my eye and got all aspects of Baker Mayfield today

1083
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 5: and that's why they're, you know, largely the record they

1084
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 5: are right now and untrustworthy, but he's not a terrible quarterback.

1085
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 5: It's just like he kind of reminds me of the

1086
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 5: other version of Gardner Minshew a little bit.

1087
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1088
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: I think when you were out, Mark, I had talked

1089
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: about like I enjoyed watching Baker this year in a

1090
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 3: way that's been different than past years. It feels like

1091
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 3: he's like in a nice spot and a little little

1092
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: under the radar and these ups and downs of his career,

1093
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: but like you're saying, there's there's always going to be

1094
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: moments where he's who he is, both good and bad.

1095
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: And I think it's gotten a beat and they've gotten

1096
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: a couple of wins out of it. They are very

1097
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: similar players, those two quarterbacks, no doubt about it.

1098
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 5: I mean the Bucks were three and one's it's not

1099
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 5: been a good six seven weeks.

1100
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: Here, No, and Devin White is kind of having the

1101
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 4: opposite contract year season. Let's say what Antoine Winfield is

1102
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: on his own team. I think Winfield is an All

1103
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: Pro candidate. Devin White. Every week you watch, you see

1104
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 4: him getting beat for big plays, for touchdowns. A couple

1105
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: touchdowns in this game, I think he missed Levante David

1106
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: And then on the other side, another free agent, Michael

1107
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: Pittman ten for one oh seven. He's on pace for

1108
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: about twelve hundred yards. Like there's this argument I think

1109
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 4: in India of like, well, how much do you pay him?

1110
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: Is he really a one? It's like it doesn't really matter. Yeah,

1111
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 4: he's a top twenty whatever receiver in his prime. He's

1112
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: going to get paid a lot of money. Like, if

1113
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 4: you don't want to pay him, someone else will pay

1114
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: him twenty three million dollars a year.

1115
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's an interesting guy and almost like you

1116
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: got to make sure he goes to the right team

1117
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: for that.

1118
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. He's surrounded by nothing.

1119
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 4: He's had a terrible quarterback situation and all he does

1120
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: is produced that's extremely valuable. Even if you're the twentieth

1121
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 4: best ride receiver in the league, like, that's worth twenty

1122
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: million dollars a year.

1123
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're not a one.

1124
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you got to think about the fact that

1125
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 5: this is still Anthony Richardson's team starting next season and

1126
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 5: you don't start stripping talent away from him.

1127
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a good point because I think that production

1128
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 18: comparison wise, the guy I think of comes top of

1129
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 18: mind is Robert Woods. Like, Robert Woods is never going

1130
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 18: to be a number one, but he's consistent. He was

1131
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 18: consistent in LA for a long time before they moved

1132
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 18: on from him. You can get similar production from Michael

1133
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 18: Pittman with an upgraded quarterback in Anthony Richardson returning Colts

1134
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 18: fans should be pumped. They should really be pumped about

1135
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 18: the way this team is battling right now without that

1136
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 18: quarterback with Gardner Minshew and with it the way this

1137
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 18: defense is playing. I'm not saying they're gonna make the plaoff,

1138
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 18: but it's going to be an interesting season and it's

1139
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 18: gonna set them up for a really optimistic offseason, which

1140
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 18: is exactly what they need after what happened last.

1141
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: They are literally sitting in that seventh spot right now

1142
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 5: after with all the tiebacker tiebreakers in there, and Shane

1143
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: Stiken has proven I think to be a very valuable addition. Again.

1144
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that play action seamball on fourth and one and

1145
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 4: a key spot when the Bucks are actually making I

1146
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: mean that took some wavos to call that, and uh,

1147
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: you know, Je Mersey is happy like Shane Stiken's taking

1148
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: all the attention away from his Twitter behavior.

1149
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: So it's a great weekend for the Yes.

1150
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: Stike and now that we're ask thanksgiving us those start Thanksgiving.

1151
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: He is a name to watch in the in the

1152
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: Coach of the Year race, especially if you can get

1153
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: this team to the playoffs.

1154
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Shookie, you have said it all. Thank you, my friend,

1155
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1156
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 18: And one last shout out Jonathan Taylor. Watch out for him.

1157
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 18: He's starting to build up, Whard, He's getting a little

1158
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 18: bit better. Two touchdowns today near one hundred yards. Keep

1159
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 18: watching him, all right. Another stellar appearance by Shock. Look

1160
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 18: there's a pipe. Oh hell yeah? I got to check

1161
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 18: out the YouTube all right?

1162
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, full screen right there. The sound efects

1163
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: perhaps troubling, but I enjoyed the overall scene.

1164
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: Thank you. Shook. Thanks guys, Let's keep rolling.

1165
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: Let's go to Vegas where the Chiefs are looking to

1166
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: find a way.

1167
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: To count get some momentum going, and they did.

1168
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 19: Now it's third and five after having first and twenty

1169
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 19: Edwards Hilaire is in, that's the third down, back trying

1170
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 19: to get the call right. Here comes Watching in I

1171
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 19: gotta throw a crossing pattern. Caught Rice starting angling twenty

1172
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 19: five up the sideline, fifteen.

1173
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 8: Inside the fight and touchdown Canzaw City of thirty nine.

1174
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Y'rek crossing pattern.

1175
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 13: And then swimming up the sideline.

1176
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: Rushi Rice m mitch Holt is with a call Chiefs Radio.

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00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: And we mentioned Rice in the lead up to this

1178
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: game that the Chiefs desperately need somebody to become a

1179
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: real thread in that offense beyond Travis Kelcey and Rice

1180
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: did the thing on Sunday eight for one oh seven,

1181
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: and that touchdown in a thirty one to.

1182
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: Seventeen win over the Raiders.

1183
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: And yes, you might say, oh, beating the Raiders with

1184
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: a beat up Mason Crosby nothing to you know, you know,

1185
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: organize a parade over And that's true.

1186
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: And yet I watched this.

1187
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: Game and it made me feel like the Chiefs got

1188
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: to win here that that they can really use as

1189
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: a springboard going forward, not just because that they won

1190
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: by two scores, but also how they did it. They

1191
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: fall behind fourteen nothing in this game and they are

1192
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: absolutely asleep at the wheel. At one point in the

1193
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 3: second quarter, the Raiders have gained over two hundred yards

1194
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: of offense and the Chiefs have about ten.

1195
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: It was nine first downs to one.

1196
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 3: It would have been seventeen nothing if Daniel Carson didn't

1197
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: shank a thirty yard field goal.

1198
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: And then they just kind of got back on track

1199
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: like the old Chiefs.

1200
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: They put up a touchdown, bing bang, another touchdown, and

1201
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: crucially boys after halftime, where they have bizarrely struggled this

1202
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: year on offense, they go right down the field their

1203
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: first possession for a touchdown and really seize control of

1204
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 3: the game, put the game away with that Rice touchdown

1205
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: late and you get that win.

1206
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: You're eight and three. All things considered, with all the hand.

1207
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: Ringing we did a ton of it on Sunday night

1208
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: last week, the Chiefs are in very good position to

1209
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: get where they want to be, which is the number

1210
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 3: one seed in the age.

1211
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 5: And it was a concerning start, but I'm looking at

1212
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 5: what happened after the Raiders second touchdown and in terms

1213
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 5: of net yardage on the resulting drives, the Chiefs defense,

1214
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 5: which was awesome for part of last week, gave up

1215
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 5: thirteen yards eleven six. There was a field goal drive

1216
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 5: the thirty one, seven and nine. So it's like they

1217
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 5: put the clamps on and it's like I still trust

1218
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 5: their defense week to week to be special.

1219
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 4: They've been great on that side. In the secondary, I

1220
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: don't need to see anymore. It's the offense. I'm wondering

1221
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: how it evolves, and I think you saw a very

1222
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 4: clear shift in strategy today until deep garbage time. Total

1223
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 4: targets for the Chiefs wide receivers ten for Rashie Rice.

1224
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: You've been calling for that. We we've been saying he's

1225
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: the guy, A combined four for everyone else. Now, obviously

1226
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 4: it's not going to be like that. In terms of

1227
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: the wide receivers. I'm not talking Kelsey, I'm not talking Pacheco,

1228
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: who both did their thing in the receiving game. In

1229
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: terms of the wide receivers, it was Rice for ten,

1230
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 4: and then Watson and More combined for four and then

1231
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 4: garbage time he threw a couple around. He tried to

1232
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: give Marcus Valdez scanty one and it goes for a

1233
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 4: negative yard like that was.

1234
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 3: His only target, which is notable because it was of

1235
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: course MVS who dropped the go ahead touchdown on Sunday

1236
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: night against the Eagles. He's the guy, right, you know,

1237
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: taking him out of the mix MVS and hopefully elevating

1238
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: in the end. I think Isaiah Pachenko, I just like

1239
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 3: I like him as a player. I like the way

1240
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: he runs the football. And then I thought, notably in

1241
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: the red zone if you you know, Reid could sometimes

1242
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: just get pass crazy, and they were hammering the ball

1243
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: into Pochanko inside the five, not trying to generate easy

1244
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: touchdowns for Travis Kelce. It was just like trusting their

1245
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: offensive line and Pachanko, and that worked twice in this game.

1246
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: So there was a lot to positives here and a

1247
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: lot to build on on the raider side of the ball.

1248
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: Just like we were talking about, Jonathan Taylor is warming up.

1249
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs turned on the Jets on a long sixty

1250
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: three yard touchdown run in the second quarter.

1251
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: It was kind of the beginning of the end for them.

1252
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: Offensively, but it was just a reminder that he is

1253
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: really kind of back to the dude he was last

1254
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: year when you watch him play. Finished with one hundred

1255
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 3: and ten, his second one hundred yard game in three weeks,

1256
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: and Max Crosby became the first player this season who

1257
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: was listed as doubtful. There had been sixty seven guys

1258
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: listed as doubtful. He plays in this game with a

1259
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: bad knee, and it's a knee injury that I believe

1260
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: is going to require surgery. So we're gonna see how

1261
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: much longer you could gut it out. But this guy

1262
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: is the face of the Raiders, and as long as

1263
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: he's on the field, you feel like they have a chance.

1264
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: Let's see how much how much longer you could stay

1265
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: on the field because you could tell he was hobbled.

1266
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: He did get a sack in this game, but he

1267
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: is not at one.

1268
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: That's that's hopeful about Josh Jacobs, And I wonder if

1269
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 5: you still saw an uptick in terms of like the

1270
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 5: whole overall Raiders experience with the coaching situation. I know,

1271
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 5: you know results aside. This was a tough loss, but

1272
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 5: they're still hanging around. They still matter, and I felt

1273
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: like they didn't matter a month ago at all.

1274
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah eight yards with Aiden O'Connell, I think, yeah, pretty happy.

1275
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: I think Antonio Pierce has done a good job. There's

1276
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: a great and this is the reason you love. Crosby

1277
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: is a player where he got kind of knocked someone

1278
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: collided with his leg. He goes down in a heap

1279
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: and he kind of peels himself off the turf and

1280
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: again you could tell he's gotten through it. And Pierce

1281
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: sends in a substitute for Crosby, and Crosby is like,

1282
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm not coming out of the game, and they had

1283
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: twelve men on the field because he refused to come

1284
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: out of the game. So Pierce had a call time

1285
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: out to get Crosby off the field. And then you

1286
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: see Crosby just hissed off on the sideline and Pierce

1287
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: talking to him, and then you think to yourself, Josh

1288
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: McDaniels isn't able to have that conversation with Max Crosby.

1289
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: Antonio Pierce a guy that has been through the wars

1290
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: in a different way ken. So yes, the Raiders arrow

1291
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: up in general compared to where they were with McDaniels,

1292
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: but also.

1293
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: They came down to earth here, especially on defense.

1294
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: Do you remember that doubtful used to supposed to be

1295
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: about a twenty five percent chance of playing. That was

1296
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: the idea of it, right, So if he's one in

1297
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 4: sixty seven, he's the first one. I guess that's changed.

1298
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 4: I think now it means unlikely to play. I don't

1299
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 4: know if they still do the twenty five percent thing.

1300
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: And if so, you know, we didn't invest gation here.

1301
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 4: We need more doubtful players to play. Bump it up

1302
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: to twenty five percent.

1303
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: Get on that beat. That could be an off season

1304
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: run of episodes. Maybe we do like a seven part series.

1305
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 5: It could be like the you know, Jordan rod rig

1306
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 5: did her you know, play Callers one.

1307
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: We'll just do us.

1308
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 5: We just got a series undoubtful.

1309
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: How do we turn through like June?

1310
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 5: That's this is how we could do a series on

1311
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 5: each of the designations Probable. What does it really mean?

1312
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 4: It's like I saw a breaking news they come across

1313
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: the screen on Friday. It was like breaking news, Max

1314
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 4: Crosby will try to play. Then I was like, well,

1315
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: that's well, I'm not surprised by that. Of course he's

1316
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: gonna try. It's Max Crosby.

1317
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: Can I can I offer a suggestion, Mark, because probable,

1318
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: what does it really mean? Kind of sounds like another

1319
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: episode of this guy gets It.

1320
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 5: Actually, well, you know, there's a lot of content coming

1321
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: out of that corner of the universe. But I can

1322
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 5: always do for one.

1323
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: It'd be nice.

1324
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep moving here. There was a time

1325
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: where Patriots v. Giants evokes some of the greatest drama

1326
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: football in the twenty first century.

1327
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm not referring to today's game, though you should not be.

1328
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 17: The rookie is set from thirty five to tie it

1329
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 17: snap is good, kick on its way and over in

1330
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 17: it it's no good mister White laugh? Or yes, mister

1331
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 17: White laugh. So another rookie beats Bill Belichick. I said

1332
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 17: that Ryland had missed one from thirty five earlier this year.

1333
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: And he misses it again.

1334
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: Whoa greggy Carl Banks with the dagger there with Bob

1335
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: Poppa on the call Chance radio. Yeah, the rookie Chad Ryland,

1336
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: who was drafted in the fourth round. One of many

1337
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: many misses by Belichick in recent years. That was the

1338
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: difference in a ten to seven Giants win. Wasn't Mark Sessler?

1339
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: Because of course this is a game that was hyped

1340
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: up as being the winner is really the loser when

1341
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 3: you talk about draft standing. But the Giants seemed happy,

1342
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito and his family seemed happy.

1343
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: And the metal ends the fans went home happy.

1344
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 5: Tommy DeVito was by far the most enjoyable aspect to

1345
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 5: one of the more unwatchable games I've ever sat through

1346
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 5: in our corporate offices. But I will say before that kick,

1347
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 5: reg and I were talking, were like, don't you find

1348
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 5: a way to kind of miss this kick and stay

1349
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 5: in the contention for the first over.

1350
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: He got to tell Ryland before the kick, you know,

1351
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: just just hook it.

1352
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: It's like the opposite of what Belichick told out of

1353
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: Vittieri all those years ago, if you miss this kick,

1354
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: you're gone, when he was like a rookie. This time

1355
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: it's like, if you make this kick, you're gone.

1356
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: And he shanked it his job.

1357
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 4: By Balichick's reaction, I think this theory not too not

1358
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 4: too solid. I think he was very frustrated to see

1359
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: the kickery. He got rid of Nick folk for who's

1360
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 4: having a great season.

1361
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: Speaking of Nick Fole, let's listen to I might have

1362
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: asked Eric to pull some zolac on this.

1363
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: Let's listen to the sentient power raid.

1364
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: Bottle snaps, Barricker holds, it is picked and it clears

1365
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 3: the line.

1366
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 8: Right good, Well, it's no good and it Hook's left

1367
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 8: with three seconds to.

1368
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 16: Go another one to get dissected after this, had to

1369
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 16: get rid of Nick Folk, right.

1370
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: You guest, are automatic. Wow, by the way, Nick Folk

1371
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: had another bomb today.

1372
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: You know, Nick Folk looks like he's about fifty five,

1373
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: but he can still kick it fifty five. And that

1374
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 3: was a decision that just so many Greg, so many

1375
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: Belichick decisions.

1376
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: And I earlier in the season, I was on the other.

1377
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: Side of it, Greg, where I thought, I think Belichick

1378
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be safe. But the way the games

1379
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: are playing out now, with the farce of Mac Jones

1380
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: starting and getting benched after two interceptions, and then you

1381
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: bring in Billy Zappi and then you're blowing games with

1382
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: the rookie kicker you didn't need to get it all

1383
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: feels like a clean start. And I think Peter King

1384
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: was on our buddy Kevin Clark's show this week and

1385
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: he's kind of put it out there that he that

1386
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: there's a vibe he was getting that that Robert Kraft

1387
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: wants a kind of a younger thinking, more fresh minded

1388
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: approach to the organization, and none of that seems to

1389
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: connect with the seventy something Belichick.

1390
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 4: No, And you wonder, I wonder whether that connects with

1391
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 4: like Drod Mayo, who is younger, and I don't know,

1392
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 4: is he going to bring a different approach or not

1393
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: to watch like these game to watch Mac Jones in

1394
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: this game just completely not be there. He's collapsed in

1395
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 4: on himself almost unlike any quarterback I've ever seen that's

1396
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 4: shown a high level of play at one point. I mean,

1397
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: this was a guy who numbers wise was like eleventh

1398
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 4: in PFF twelfth and the EPA as a rookie like

1399
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: really showed it. It was a solid started quarterback at a rookie.

1400
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 4: To regress this far where he was like playing in

1401
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 4: a way that was begging to be benched almost at

1402
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 4: every moment, like backing away from from throws, like backing

1403
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: away from pressure that wasn't there, it is wild to see.

1404
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: It is wild that he got like the opportunity to

1405
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 4: even start this game. There was one play where they

1406
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: didn't let him throw the ball on third and eight

1407
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 4: and they handed off to Zeke is a total give

1408
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: up play, but actually they had They blocked it perfectly

1409
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: and Zeke had a prairie to run through. Any running

1410
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 4: back picks up that they're done, and then Zeke's like

1411
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: chugging to the sideline and they tackle him, and I

1412
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 4: was just like another weird this is the Patriots in

1413
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.

1414
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 10: Uo.

1415
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 5: It's total mismanagement. I can't think of a quarterback that's

1416
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 5: sort of been a like falling off a cliff like

1417
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 5: Mac Jones has from where he was, you know, midway

1418
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 5: through his rookie season, but terrible coaching around him last year.

1419
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 5: It's happening all over again. I think it matters when

1420
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 5: you have a starting quarterback and you're sending out messages

1421
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 5: through the press all week that you're gonna everyone might play.

1422
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 5: What's happening with it, And it's like he's deserved, you know,

1423
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 5: the chance to be demoted because he's played terribly today

1424
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 5: and he's not seen the fielded through terrible interceptions. Zapi

1425
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 5: came in in through one too. It's like the Giants

1426
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 5: defense inside of this effort played really well and they've

1427
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 5: had these games where Wink Martindale's defense has shown a

1428
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 5: lot of promise. It's like, I don't know if you're

1429
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 5: the Giants what you're building for. But like the Tommy

1430
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 5: DeVito experience in reverse on the flip side shows me

1431
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 5: that Brian Dable can coachquarterbacks like he looked functional again today.

1432
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 5: It wasn't perfect. It was a terrible range, just like

1433
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia, but a guy like Jalen Hyatt bailed him

1434
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 5: out and had a lot of big plays.

1435
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: Those are nice throws.

1436
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 4: Though he's played, he's out playing Mac Jones and Zach

1437
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 4: Wilson to the.

1438
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 5: You know what this is like the second he took

1439
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 5: six sacks from the Patriots. Again today, it's keeps getting

1440
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 5: you know, shredded, but he's making plays outside of it.

1441
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 5: And I give them credit for a team that has

1442
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 5: not given up on their coach.

1443
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: Two QB thoughts from this game. One.

1444
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito has this window and moment in time where

1445
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: he will be the starting quarterback of the Giants. And

1446
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: it's not going to happen after this year because they're

1447
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: going to go in a new direction or they're going

1448
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: to go back to Daniel Jones more than likely, But

1449
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: in this moment, uh, there's there's Jersey Boy undrafted player

1450
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: that has he will be talked about, trust me, is

1451
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: someone that grew up in this area. He'll be talked

1452
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: about twenty five years from now as a sometimes as

1453
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: a punchline, sometimes has reminiscing like wasn't that crazy that

1454
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: this guy was our quarterback? A guy that you would

1455
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,959
Speaker 3: expect being in section three fourteen was actually our QB.

1456
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: Just kind of a fun little thing and an otherwise

1457
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: dreary season for the Giants and mac Jones. I've never

1458
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,479
Speaker 3: been the biggest fan of him, but I also think

1459
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: he could be a somewhat successful system quarterback with the

1460
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 3: right setup.

1461
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: I think they broke him.

1462
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: I think there's so much more than just him at

1463
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: play here, and we know how they let him down

1464
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 3: last year.

1465
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: But you're right what you.

1466
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: Said about like the way they've talked about him in

1467
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: the media and their quarterback situation didn't don't instill any

1468
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: don't empower him in any way, and he's clearly playing

1469
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: like a young quarterback who doesn't believe in himself and

1470
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: the scheme and the team that he.

1471
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: Played, Like where's Bill O'Brien and all this right, it

1472
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: hasn't improved getting rid of Patricia Hunter. Henry said he

1473
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 4: didn't know who the starter was until they ran out there.

1474
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 4: Ballichick consisted he told Mac Jones at some point before

1475
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 4: they got on the plane, but the team didn't seem

1476
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 4: to know. The most newsworthy coaching report from this game

1477
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 4: that was before it by Jake Lazer, yes, a report

1478
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 4: that he expected a mutual parting of ways between Brian

1479
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: Dable and Wink Martindale.

1480
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: Possibly before the end of the season.

1481
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 4: Dave All of course was asked about and said that

1482
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 4: was you know, the only thing we argue about is

1483
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 4: like who.

1484
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: Gets the last lights of piece.

1485
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 4: But it was really pointed that, like he gave Wink

1486
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 4: Martindale the game ball after this game, so it has

1487
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: to be the first ever game ball issued in the

1488
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 4: history of the NFL. In response to a Jay Glazer report.

1489
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 4: What's going on, Like, there's no way Wing Martindale gets

1490
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 4: that game ball unless that report gets out there. And

1491
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 4: I I one hundred percent trust Jay Glazer that he's

1492
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 4: got this thing.

1493
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 3: Now as a fellow insider, I just got to say,

1494
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: I gotta respect what Jay was able to do.

1495
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 4: Right exactly, just that there's tension there. They're just inside

1496
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 4: the build they're bickering at each other.

1497
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: Whatever it is.

1498
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and then we will

1499
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 3: finish out is Sunday Slate.

1500
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back.

1501
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: Of course, you had the three thanks Giving games, and

1502
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 3: you can check out the podcast previous to this one

1503
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 3: for our reaction to those games. There was, for the

1504
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 3: first time a Black Friday game. It was a Black Friday. Indeed,

1505
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,839
Speaker 3: at least for my team to the meadowlands.

1506
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 2: We go spoils act to throw looking for man rush.

1507
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: They're chasing them down.

1508
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: Get you off towards the m drove and then it's

1509
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: picked off.

1510
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh that's gonna get interest. They haven't, and it's a

1511
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 2: good call.

1512
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 13: At the twenty thirty, he's cutting back.

1513
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: Inside forty of My New York for twenty five to

1514
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: twenty to the right til five pay cut play.

1515
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 3: Jimmy Cephalo Orfalo Cephalo, Jimmy Cefalo with the call.

1516
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: With Joe Rose.

1517
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: I think it was Rose who pointed out this could

1518
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: be interesting. Yes, the Hail Mary for the Jets at

1519
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: the end of the half, set up by a two

1520
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 3: inner exception, Tim Boyle throws it up for grabs, it

1521
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 3: gets intercepted and then run back ninety nine yards. Just

1522
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: the latest indignity for the New York Jets and the

1523
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: latest win for the Miami Dolphins, who cruise on Black

1524
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 3: Friday to a thirty four to thirteen win. So the

1525
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 3: Dolphins another team at eight and three, and in this game,

1526
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: it was like like the other Thursday games, it was

1527
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 3: not very competitive.

1528
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,480
Speaker 2: It was two teams going in very different directions.

1529
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the end of the third quarter.

1530
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 4: I wrote down the stats in the box score that

1531
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 4: the Dolphins had had sixty one plays, the Jets had

1532
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: had twenty two. The Dolphins had had three hundred and

1533
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 4: thirty five yards, the Jets had had fifty. That says,

1534
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: you know, complete domination pretty much on both sides of

1535
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 4: the ball. You know, they would have had seventeen points

1536
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: in their first three drives the Dolphins if Tyreek Hill

1537
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 4: didn't drop a pass in the end zone. And then

1538
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 4: once it defense does start playing well, they get a

1539
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 4: couple turnovers on to it, including one with two seconds

1540
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 4: left to set up that Hail Mary. That's what happens.

1541
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 4: And you just felt for everyone there, But I guess

1542
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 4: you didn't feel I guess there were a lot of

1543
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 4: Dolphins fair then good job by the Dolphins now traveling well.

1544
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: It's also Jets fail Loud aren't gonna watch it right,

1545
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: barbit right selling their tickets because it's outrageous, and I mean,

1546
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 3: it's just we don't need it, not today. It's just like,

1547
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: why does it have to be like this? Why can't

1548
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 3: we just lose like regular teams? Why do we need

1549
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 3: the hail Mary pick six to add to all the

1550
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 3: other frustrations being a fan of this team for the

1551
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,480
Speaker 3: game to kind of be remembered this way, and it's

1552
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: just brutal, and Tim Boyle is obviously not the answer,

1553
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: and just like Zach Wilson is not the answer. But

1554
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 3: like I said last week, with this Jets team and

1555
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: this regime, you get what you deserve. And they set

1556
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: themselves up for this and they ignored all the warning

1557
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 3: signs and now the chickens have come home to roost

1558
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 3: and it blows my mind. As let's you know, I

1559
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 3: want to hear from Robert Sali here, Robert Salad now,

1560
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 3: And we talked about his stammering reply to Michael k

1561
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: a few weeks back when asked about Zach Wilson and

1562
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, his starting job now he's being asked about

1563
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Hackett, which is obviously a thorny issue because he's

1564
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers's boy and everything is about Aaron Rodgers with

1565
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: his team, and once again the coach is revealed to

1566
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 3: be powerless.

1567
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 20: Essentially, I'd be a really long answer, an answer for

1568
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 20: another day, I guess, But you know, when you look

1569
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 20: at it all and again, it's it's a little bit

1570
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 20: of everything. Whether the calls could be better, whether the

1571
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 20: execution can be better, whether our one on one battles

1572
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 20: can be better. You know, it's it's taking advantage of

1573
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 20: the situations we have. When we get him. Do I think,

1574
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 20: play caller, we'll fix that.

1575
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1576
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 5: Let me hold on, like so you cannot, you cannot

1577
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 5: go into next season because this season is essentially it

1578
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 5: is over for the Jets, and it's become poisoned in

1579
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 5: every possible way. The Nathaniel Hackett question is a fair question.

1580
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 5: I think one thing I'm wat when I'm watching the

1581
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 5: Jets because there's got to be a schism in that building.

1582
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 5: If there's a schism in the Giants building. They didn't

1583
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 5: have a single drive go for over sixteen yards until

1584
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. I mean, that's absurd. And what that

1585
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 5: tells me a little bit is that we're watching other

1586
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 5: teams around the league that flexibly change what they do

1587
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 5: on offense depending on what's happening at quarterback, what's happening

1588
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 5: in other positions. Good coaches find flexible, creative ways out

1589
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 5: of jams. And Nathaniel Hackett, I don't know how else

1590
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 5: to put it on. He's organizing the weekly call sheet,

1591
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 5: the weekly attack, the way they're going to do things

1592
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 5: has shown zero ability to recreate anything they're doing at all.

1593
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 5: Tim Boyle's only positive quality is that he's not Zach Wilson.

1594
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, the obvious move would be to remove the play caller,

1595
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: but again it's all tied to Rogers And then you

1596
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 3: see the report on Sunday and I just don't want

1597
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: to even we don't need to dwell too much of this, Seamon,

1598
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 3: because it's it's.

1599
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: All gross and ugly.

1600
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 3: But the Ian report this morning that Aaron Rodgers is

1601
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 3: ramping up his rehaby he could return in some for

1602
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 3: him to practice in the in the next week, and

1603
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 3: he's still targeting potentially Christmas Eve.

1604
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Like, who is in charge?

1605
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 3: Because I know it's not the head coach because I

1606
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 3: listen to him and every week he gets a little

1607
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 3: more powerless.

1608
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 2: And I don't think that GM's in charge either.

1609
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 3: I think it is the injured quarterback that's turning forty,

1610
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 3: that brought in all these bums from Green Bay along

1611
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 3: with him, and they need to have a you know,

1612
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 3: Jesus needs to take the wheel of this team and

1613
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 3: before this turns into as embarrassing a fiasco as anything

1614
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 3: else previously, because right now I am teetering in my

1615
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 3: belief that even with healthy Aaron Rodgers, that this team

1616
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 3: right now is set up in terms of coaching and

1617
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: management to ever come out of the darkness.

1618
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 4: And it is as dark as it could be right now.

1619
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Salas fifteen and thirty. If it continues on

1620
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 4: this path, I don't think it should be surprising if

1621
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 4: both he and Joe Douglas lose their jobs and they

1622
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 4: blow up the whole whole thing. But it depends a

1623
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 4: little bit on how the rest of.

1624
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: It goes.

1625
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 4: But they had Lazard was a healthy scratch guaranteed eleven

1626
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 4: million dollars. I guaranteed more than that for this game,

1627
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 4: which is wild to flip to the Dolphins. They lost

1628
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 4: Jalen Phillips, who, to me, along with Jalen Ramsey, is

1629
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: the most important player on their defense, was playing at

1630
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 4: an outrageous level. Was gonna he still will, you know,

1631
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 4: get a massive, massive contract, but that you know, torn

1632
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 4: Achilles is just a huge.

1633
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: Loss because I know that a lands Turf ray.

1634
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 4: I really thought you you saw the difference because Phillips missed.

1635
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 4: I think it was two or three games in the

1636
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 4: middle of the season. I really thought you saw a

1637
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 4: massive difference because they have a deep defensive line and

1638
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 4: Wilkins is good, but man, Phillips is the one true

1639
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 4: difference maker. And then I also think they got to

1640
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 4: be a little worried that it's It's just I said

1641
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 4: it before. It's just been a while since we saw

1642
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 4: a great to a game. He now has twenty interceptions

1643
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: and fumbles on the year. He only had fourteen all

1644
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 4: of last time. Twenty total interceptions and fumbles combined. Now, wow,

1645
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 4: there were some bad snaps in there. I want to

1646
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: go through what the fumbles are.

1647
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 2: Say a lot, he didn't. They didn't lose all those fumbles.

1648
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 4: But no, no, I I whoa, yeah, he doesn't lead

1649
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 4: the League in fumble recoveries, because some of those are

1650
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 4: are bad snaps and everything, but there were some like

1651
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 4: this game where it was his own fumble and he

1652
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 4: was picked off twice in the and these weren't like

1653
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 4: making excuse interceptions. These are just bad interceptions. And then

1654
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: they just they have a freak. They have a brain

1655
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 4: freeze on third and one and fourth and one.

1656
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: It's crazy. They they just refuse to run the ball forward.

1657
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 4: They finally did it later in this game, but they

1658
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 4: just refuse to do it and they never pick it up.

1659
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 4: They're one of the worst teams. It's so crazy. So

1660
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 4: it's just little things. They're eaten three. But these are

1661
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 4: things that they're gonna be his thinking about.

1662
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: I know this is nothing new, but you see it

1663
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: on those throws to the outside on the pick six

1664
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 3: that he threw to Brandon Eckles and then the I

1665
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 3: that came before the hall Mary, Like, he just doesn't

1666
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: have great arm strength, so it's just his margin forerer

1667
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: is smaller and when he's.

1668
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 4: Not sharp, you know still, and he had many great

1669
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 4: it was a tepical too, a game where like, look,

1670
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 4: he had some dimes.

1671
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: And so he mixes them in He's like, you see

1672
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: both sides.

1673
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: It's just okay, all right, let's move on and head

1674
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: to the desert where.

1675
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: The Rams were looking feisty again.

1676
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 8: Back to throw, Stafford lobs it left side and so

1677
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 8: cuts touchdown. Karen Williams touchdown lay. The second year tailback

1678
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 8: takes a bow after his second receiving touchdown of the day.

1679
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 8: It's fourn counting for Matthew Stafford, and now this playoff

1680
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 8: push has teeth.

1681
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: Whoa JB like that?

1682
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: Our dude call? Yeah? Why not?

1683
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 5: Five and six?

1684
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: Why not the Rams in the playoffs?

1685
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: After Matt Stafford throws the season high four touchdown passes

1686
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 3: and Kyron Williams comes back into the lineup and is

1687
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 3: a major difference maker in this game, running for a

1688
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: buck forty three and also catching six passes for sixty

1689
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 3: one yards two touchdown catches thirty seven to fourteen.

1690
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: The final pretty impressive, Greg.

1691
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 4: It's against an Arizona defense which is obviously one of

1692
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 4: the worst in the league, and it has new injuries,

1693
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,879
Speaker 4: so that is a caveat and they've owned this matchup,

1694
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 4: but it is extremely impressive to see them dominate the

1695
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. The Rams to dominate the line of

1696
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 4: scrimmage in such a way that you can run for

1697
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 4: two twenty eight, that Kyron can go for two h

1698
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 4: five yards from scrimmage, that you can put up thirty

1699
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 4: seven points in four hundred and fifty seven yards in

1700
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 4: a game where Puka Nakua Cooper Cup combined for forty

1701
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 4: five yards. Actually, I think that is a great sign

1702
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 4: for the health of this team that they can stay

1703
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 4: feisty because the defense plays with a lot of energy.

1704
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 4: They did a nice job today. Donald is playing out

1705
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 4: of his mind. But it needs to be an offensive team, Markie,

1706
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: and this was one of the rare kind of special

1707
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 4: offensive days that they've had this season where they put

1708
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 4: it out together.

1709
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 5: Iron Williams last appeared before today against the Cardinals when

1710
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 5: we were in London and they had a scant rushing

1711
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 5: yardage in the first half. Then he exploded for one

1712
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty eight. So in two games against the

1713
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 5: Cardinals back to back, they've allowed nearly four hundred yards

1714
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 5: to him. He's a very interesting player because it's not

1715
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 5: fluky like. He was absolutely gashing Arizona from wire to wire.

1716
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 5: This game was eight seven at one point with Kyler

1717
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 5: Murray running in for a touchdown and they never scored again.

1718
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 5: They don't look any better on offense with Kyler Murray

1719
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 5: than they did with Josh Doupps.

1720
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 4: Hmm, yeah, is that true. I don't know if that's true.

1721
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: They haven't been turning it over. I think they've looked

1722
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 4: a little bit, but you're right, they're not. They're not

1723
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 4: lighting it up special. After that first drive where the

1724
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 4: Cardinals went right down the field, I think their next

1725
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 4: eight drives they had something like a total of eighty yards.

1726
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's it's the rookies for the Rams. We

1727
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 4: don't need to go too long on them, but it's

1728
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 4: it's pretty crazy that they didn't. They didn't have a

1729
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 4: first round draft pick, am I right? And yet they

1730
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 4: have one of the best rookie classes in a long time.

1731
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 4: And that was the whole idea they loaded up with

1732
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 4: these picks. They have four guys making huge difference. Steve

1733
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 4: Avila is going to be starting at guard for them

1734
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 4: for a long time, like a difference making guard. You

1735
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 4: have Pukinakua. You have Byron Young, who's among the leaders

1736
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 4: in quarterback hits and certainly tops among all rookies. And

1737
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 4: then Kobe Turner had a couple of sacks today and

1738
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 4: has been a really good starter.

1739
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: That's four rookie starters. They're five and six.

1740
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 4: This is actually, I think basically exactly what Sean McVay

1741
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 4: was hoping for out of this season. Some meaningful games

1742
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: in December and the rookies and and real guys we

1743
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: can build around.

1744
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Aaron I don't still playing

1745
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: at it really high.

1746
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is you're right, this is what he wanted,

1747
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 3: which is this is a development year with all these

1748
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 3: young players. If we could be in contention while we're developing,

1749
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 3: and then you could build with a nice draft and

1750
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 3: free agency class next year, all of a sudden, you're back.

1751
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, so far the path there is clear for them.

1752
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 3: They've they've done a nice job and it's just now

1753
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 3: about can you keep Stafford upright and healthy because when

1754
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: he is healthy and slinging it, they can score points

1755
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 3: of Villa was their first pick, thirty six overall in

1756
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 3: the second round, so you.

1757
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: Know, I think they have a first round pick this

1758
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: year coming up, and first.

1759
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 4: Time in like a decade, Hey doo and and Stafford

1760
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 4: who's touched down interception ratios looks so wonky all year,

1761
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 4: it's been annoying for how well he's played. It's nice

1762
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 4: to see him just put up a four spot. It's

1763
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: like a corrective measure. I don't know what he did

1764
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 4: in the off season, but I swear he is moving

1765
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 4: better and looks more agile and mobile than he's ever

1766
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 4: looked in his career, Like he was evading a ton

1767
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 4: of sacks and making good sort of second reaction plays today.

1768
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: Love it, Love to see it.

1769
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 3: Don't think he has an outside shot at the Hall

1770
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 3: of Fame, the Strong Final a couple of years.

1771
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: I think he has a shot.

1772
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 5: Fringy.

1773
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 4: I think he has a decent shot. Oh sure, if

1774
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 4: I would do it, But he has a shot. Browns

1775
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 4: next week they are in the mix.

1776
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 5: They have Browns, then Ravens. They also have the Niners

1777
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 5: on their schedule out. Oh yeah, it's gonna be.

1778
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: But there's there in the mix.

1779
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: There's some winnable games in there too.

1780
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: You could go across the sidewalk mark for that game

1781
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 4: Brown's Rams, you know, I guess I could little four

1782
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 4: to twenty five action come back for the pod.

1783
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 3: You could uh put on a ninety five miles Garret

1784
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 3: Jersey and put LEVI over it.

1785
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: Nice little one, nice little ape.

1786
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, there you go.

1787
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: Well across? Why not? Right?

1788
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? What's stopping me?

1789
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1790
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you go see the Browns? Not interested in

1791
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: seeing the Browns.

1792
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: I'd be interested, but you know it would be the

1793
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: first one.

1794
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 2: But I feel like you might be interested in seeing

1795
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 2: the brown.

1796
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, if someone steals it from

1797
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 5: me on Thursday's draft, then it would that it's a problem.

1798
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 5: And I have a professional assignment to do watching you know,

1799
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 5: later other late games, right, So might it might you

1800
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 5: could prevent it.

1801
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: It might be hoove you to once again take the

1802
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: Browns very early in the upcoming draft.

1803
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 4: TBD a strategy to our friend Jason Zemma, who was

1804
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: dying as they were giving up thirty seven straightfowards in

1805
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 4: I mean, they he cares and I and I think

1806
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 4: the Cardinals fans are being tested right now.

1807
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: They had a crowd.

1808
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: Do you have the pulse of the Cardinals?

1809
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, no, but I do have a crowd shot that

1810
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 4: CBS showed in the middle of at the beginning of

1811
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter, and wasn't that well attended for that

1812
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 4: portion of the game like they just weren't a lot

1813
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 4: of people they might hop.

1814
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 3: It into that not for nothing, Like you know, Jonathan

1815
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 3: Gannon was brought in as a defensive coach and that

1816
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 3: defense is not developing in his first year. Let us

1817
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: now move to Nashville where the Titans get the woebegone Panthers.

1818
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: Rice seventeen to thirty for one four on the day.

1819
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 2: Come on, Price, do something.

1820
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: But right here, three receivers to the left. Come on,

1821
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Titan's showing pressure, get a cup.

1822
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Come on, throw it left side.

1823
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: Chart he's hit.

1824
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: He's dropped.

1825
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 16: Now my body hooker got him, basically at the line

1826
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 16: of scrimmage, and ladies and gentlemen, this one is a

1827
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 16: minute fifty five.

1828
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm being over. Yes, been a minute since they had

1829
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: a win. So I get it.

1830
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 2: I told you.

1831
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 3: Then they when the color guy forgets what his job

1832
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 3: is and he just screams out some type of guttural

1833
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 3: response one of my favorite things. Yes, yes, and it

1834
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: was indeed a Saints excuse me, a Titans team that

1835
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 3: needed to win and stayed undefeated at home, by the way,

1836
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 3: and taking care of business here against the Panthers seventeen

1837
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 3: to ten. That one in ten Panthers and Bryce Young

1838
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 3: in this game. That was a checked out of a

1839
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 3: play for that screen the DJ Shark on a fourth

1840
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 3: and six that went nowhere, and Frank Reich said after

1841
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 3: the game that listen that that was the right move.

1842
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: They're showing a defense, a zero defense that if you

1843
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: beat that blitz, that can go for a touchdown. But

1844
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 3: they didn't quite run the right route. That's not typically

1845
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 3: sharks purview. But they had some injuries and it doesn't

1846
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 3: work out. And that's just like the story of this team,

1847
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 3: like they can't seem to get it going. Bryce Young

1848
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 3: can't seem to get it going, and as a result,

1849
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 3: they are steaming not towards.

1850
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: The number one overall pick because they traded it. So

1851
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: it's like a lot of negativity and a lot of pain.

1852
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: And then you see here's a tweet I believe from

1853
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: Joe Person who covers the Panthers after the game.

1854
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Uh, we might be we might be steaming.

1855
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 3: Towards another episode of a Tepper b talking our new

1856
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 3: big series ready to launch. At some point the season,

1857
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 3: person reports leaving the locker room, David Tepper shook his head.

1858
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 5: And yelled, that's not good.

1859
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 21: Well, it's f dash dash dash, But I think, I think,

1860
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 21: and I'm sorry, Eric, but this is this is journalism.

1861
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 2: It's the owner, the owner.

1862
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 5: We have to assume that's the word that's being right.

1863
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: It could have been a different word.

1864
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 4: It could have been like Franngie break Franjie one of

1865
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 4: the great.

1866
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's you know, oh man, there's evidence

1867
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 5: that the owner is the one that Bryce Young over

1868
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 5: anyone else too. And well, of.

1869
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 3: Course, well yeah, and I think there's obviously a lot

1870
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 3: of that's mean to say, blame to go around, but

1871
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 3: with c. J. Strad doing what he's doing, it's just

1872
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 3: all the more frustrating. So you have all that going

1873
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 3: on around Charlotte, it's just a bad vibe. On the

1874
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 3: Tennessee side of things, you got some positive Derrick Henry

1875
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 3: had two touchdowns here and Henry I feel like this year,

1876
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 3: you see it's a different version of Henry because what

1877
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 3: he used to do and what made him a Hall

1878
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: of Famer makes them hall of famer is he would

1879
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 3: have these days where he was just kind of like

1880
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 3: waiting to break one, and his numbers look mundane, and

1881
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: then bang he goes for sixty eight and then that

1882
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 3: average jumps from three point two on eighteen carries to

1883
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: five point nine or whatever like those. You don't see

1884
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: those runs as much anymore, but he still is a guy.

1885
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 3: You get the ball to him in the red zone,

1886
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 3: he could find a way so they get it to

1887
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 3: Henry will Levis is not equalled that debut game yet

1888
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 3: and not come close to not throw a touchdown on

1889
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: this game, but I thought I saw some progress from

1890
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 3: him this week in terms of his decision making and

1891
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 3: in general. I thought it was a pretty clean effort

1892
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 3: by the Titans. A team that's four and seven, four

1893
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: and one in home, should say not undefeated.

1894
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 4: Well, that was their only home loss was in London.

1895
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 4: What they have to be they have to have the

1896
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 4: worst record for any team that hasn't lost in their

1897
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 4: home stadium like entering December.

1898
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: And I'll can see what a what a feat Yeah,

1899
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,839
Speaker 3: I'll can see to you Mark that you watching Giants

1900
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: Pats is probably the worst game of the day. But

1901
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty four yards with the Titans, two

1902
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 3: fifty eight for the Panthers. This was not a game

1903
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: that it's going to like be sticky in my brain

1904
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 3: moving forward.

1905
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 5: No, sure, and I've yet to examine it super closely,

1906
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 5: so I could be wrong about that. I can look

1907
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 5: forward to intee you that Patriots Giants was no treat.

1908
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 4: I want to hear your breakdown of really what you

1909
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 4: take away from from this game.

1910
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 5: I did read that Jeffrey Simmons was absolutely dominant.

1911
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 4: Retackles for loss, had a sack in this game. He's great.

1912
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 4: I think that's all we need.

1913
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, do we have any Oh?

1914
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 4: Wait, I do have an update on on Frank Wright

1915
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 4: that actually to me is more Frank, more concerning, maybe

1916
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 4: even than the owner yelling that word. Will Counkle of Fox, Yeah,

1917
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: real person, local Fox hust as you. I don't know,

1918
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 4: but he says he was told Frank Reich's coaching seat

1919
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 4: is quote on fire her source. Now, to be fair,

1920
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 4: Will Conkle works at Fox twenty six Houston.

1921
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: He's reporting on the Panthers.

1922
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure he does a great job, but I'm right,

1923
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with it.

1924
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what the sourcing is on this. I

1925
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: don't know how we reported this.

1926
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 3: But he is right because Frank Reich has the kind

1927
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 3: of a sad sack look on the sideline, and he

1928
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 3: was brought in to work with Bryce Young and and

1929
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: make him a big time player. He's shown very little

1930
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 3: progress or averaging twelve points a game in the last

1931
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: five weeks. And on top of everything else, it should

1932
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 3: be said, in fairness to to the young quarterback that

1933
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,919
Speaker 3: they had injuries on the interior of the offensive line.

1934
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 3: So that's not making any easier. He does play small.

1935
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 3: You watch these games and you see it. Just he

1936
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 3: doesn't look like he's in a comfortable place in the

1937
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 3: league right now. So you know, three Carolina coaches had

1938
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 3: seasons with thirteen or more losses from ESPN, Dom Caper's

1939
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 3: four and twelve and ninety eight, Seafert, George Seffertlan Panthers. Yeah,

1940
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 3: one of the aviators with the white hair, George Seffert

1941
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 3: one in fifteen in two thousand and one, John Fox

1942
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 3: two and fourteen in twenty ten before Cam got there.

1943
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 3: They all were fired after that season. This smells like

1944
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 3: a two and fifteen one and done for Reich. And

1945
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 3: we'll see does he even make it through the season.

1946
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 3: When he got Tepper walking out of the locker room

1947
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: and saying whatever that F word was, right, who knows?

1948
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not gonna be a fun meeting for

1949
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 3: Frank and Tepper knows.

1950
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 5: What he's doing. When he does that, it's it's like

1951
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 5: your there's you know, what's outside of an NFL locker

1952
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 5: room down in the bells of those stadiums, like tons

1953
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 5: of reporters, tons of people with eyes. It was a

1954
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 5: performative bum.

1955
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 11: Well, that's a great point, Mark.

1956
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: I think I don't know.

1957
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 4: I would think he's just so emotional exactly he's I

1958
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 4: think he thought when he.

1959
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 5: Took over this stuff gets out from that.

1960
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 4: It just seems a lot, I know, but he, you know,

1961
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 4: he's just so mad about it that I don't think

1962
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 4: he wants to have I think out there.

1963
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 3: What happens in with these CEO oligarchs and all that,

1964
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 3: Like they aren't used to failure and they think everything

1965
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 3: they take over is going to be great. Since he

1966
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 3: replaced Richardson, they've been a mess.

1967
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1968
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 4: Right, It is a reminder because I frustration must be immense.

1969
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 4: I'm guilty of this too. You know Richardson, we weren't

1970
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 4: fans of it, and there was this whole idea just like, hey,

1971
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 4: David Tepper's going to come in and he's been successful

1972
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 4: and he's run business. It was like, now they've got

1973
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 4: great ownership. He's gonna get what he wants. That's what

1974
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 4: Tepper does. And it's like, actually, you're gonna do what

1975
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 4: most new NFL owners is, which is just waste your

1976
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 4: first five years with a ton of mistake favors.

1977
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 3: My favorite Panther's trope the first couple of years in

1978
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: this era was Teppard knows how to close a deal.

1979
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 19: Right.

1980
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 5: Well, you know we're not uh still paying Matt rule.

1981
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are not trading on the open stock market.

1982
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 3: We are not absorbing other businesses and hostile takeovers.

1983
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 2: We're trying to lift Lombardies a little different, all right.

1984
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 2: To Sunday ef football.

1985
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 5: He sends Zay Flowers wide to the right. Cowie brings

1986
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 5: flowers in motion to the left. He gives them the

1987
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 5: flowers on the jet sweet.

1988
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: He cuts himself the numbers.

1989
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 2: Piece of the herby turn turn burn touch.

1990
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: Jase is in the barn. I'm a raven knock out.

1991
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 2: The Chargers in away, I love it, I love it.

1992
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Jaz is in the barn.

1993
01:32:55,560 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 3: Jerry Sandusky with the call yes Zay Flowers in a

1994
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 3: third and short scenario that just need the first down,

1995
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 3: but Zay saw daylight and he took advantage of it,

1996
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 3: taking it to the house his second touchdown of the game.

1997
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 3: That was from thirty seven yards out, and it was

1998
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 3: the decider in a Ravens twenty to ten win over

1999
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 3: the Chargers. The Chargers all but dead now at four

2000
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 3: and seven after another lackluster primetime performance in the Ravens

2001
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,719
Speaker 3: nine to three sit a top the AFC with six

2002
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 3: games to play, ors five games to play. Dan Hansen's

2003
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 3: with Greg Now, as we made our hasty retreat from

2004
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 3: Sofi Stadium back to our respective homes, Mark didn't make it.

2005
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Mark ran into some traffic, some type of holiday parade

2006
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 3: in Hollywood. So it's just going to be you and me,

2007
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 3: Greg and the Ravens feel no pain after yet another win.

2008
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel for Mark.

2009
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 4: We were trying to avoid the traffic and he got

2010
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 4: stuck in the Hollywood Christmas parade.

2011
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 3: So from moving to Hollywood, which is you know, your

2012
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 3: whole life is traffic when you live in that.

2013
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 2: Part of the city.

2014
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure he's feeling like Chargers fans right now,

2015
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: like we just went through this whole experience to just

2016
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 4: end in such an incredibly frustrating and yet familiar way.

2017
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 4: Like the Chargers, they find ways to lose games in

2018
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 4: new and creative ways in this Ravens team, even though

2019
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 4: they're gonna come out of this, and you could hear

2020
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 4: it in Lamar Jackson's voice after the game, very frustrated

2021
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 4: with what he said was a flat offensive performance. They

2022
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 4: can win like any type of different game, and this

2023
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 4: was a game where they're plus four in turnovers, and

2024
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 4: they can also almost blow any ten point lead in

2025
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. It felt like they might do that

2026
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 4: here with the Chargers is driving down only three with

2027
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 4: a couple of minutes to go, but this defense is

2028
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 4: ultimately just too good to lose to all But like

2029
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 4: real contending teams, I know they've had had some slip

2030
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 4: up performances, but on a day like today, it's hard

2031
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 4: not to feel like they're one of the you know.

2032
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Jason Garrett said it on the telecast, weirdly,

2033
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 3: filling in for Chris Collinsworth. I don't know what the

2034
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 3: details were on that either, but Garrett pointed out that yes,

2035
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 3: this is not the two thousand Ravens, and no team

2036
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 3: really is the two thousand Ravens except perhaps the eighty

2037
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: five Bears, but they're built similarly and how they how

2038
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 3: the defense is huge upfront and elements of the how

2039
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 3: they constructed that side of the ball, and they play

2040
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 3: well and they make you earn every yard and they

2041
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 3: hit you hard, and it's just a well coach, well

2042
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 3: schemed attack or defense. And the Chargers quite frankly, are

2043
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 3: not built to beat a good defense, which seems weird

2044
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,839
Speaker 3: when Justin Herbert is your quarterback and you have Austin

2045
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 3: Eckler as you're running back, and you have Keenan Allen

2046
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 3: closing in on one hundred catches before December.

2047
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 2: But that's really the offense.

2048
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem with this team is

2049
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 3: that they lost Mike Williams, and Quinton Johnson has been

2050
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 3: a bust in his first year, and and Eckler hasn't

2051
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 3: been the same player this year, and Herbert has not

2052
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 3: been able to lift the offense.

2053
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 2: With the cast that he has.

2054
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 3: He averaged less than five yards attempt in this game,

2055
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 3: had a costly sack fumble late that obviously you know

2056
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 3: he was beat up on the play as well, and

2057
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 3: he's been taking a beating at times this year. It's

2058
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 3: just been very frustrating for this Chargers offense, which was

2059
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 3: supposed to be better with Kellen Moore this year, but

2060
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: I just haven't seen that.

2061
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 4: No Quinton Johnson has kind of killed them because after

2062
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 4: Williams's injury and Josh Palmer's injury, that's their two and

2063
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 4: their three, and Palmer was a really good three. They

2064
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 4: just needed him to step up. I think he would

2065
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 4: have been benched if they had any other options. And

2066
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 4: in this game, like he has the two killer drops

2067
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 4: and then he gets hurt unfortunately, and look, Herbert like

2068
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 4: was doing everything they could. And I just thought that

2069
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 4: third quarter into the fourth quarter drive that they spent

2070
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 4: nineteen plays in over eight and a half minutes to

2071
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 4: go before it ends getting nothing because of the clowney

2072
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 4: sack fumble was just so fitting because they knew they

2073
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 4: needed big plays at that point, but they just don't

2074
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 4: have it. That was the only way that they were

2075
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 4: going to move the ball, even though they were kind

2076
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 4: of killing the clock on themselves. And yeah, they did

2077
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 4: get the touchdown the next drive after that. They didn't

2078
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 4: totally lay down in this game, but there's just a

2079
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 4: total lack of explosion. I'm amazed how how keenan Allen

2080
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 4: is racking up. He had fourteen for one zh six

2081
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 4: like doing this week after week when opposing defense is no,

2082
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 4: that's basically all they have.

2083
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was fourteen catches on sixteen targets

2084
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 3: for a while. Was the receptions were echoing the targets

2085
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 3: until late in the fourth quarter. But also, you know,

2086
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 3: and this is not taking away from Allen, but he

2087
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 3: is the greatest chain mover in the game right now.

2088
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 3: He's not a dynamic downfield player. He averaged seven and

2089
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: a half yards of reception. He got one hundred and

2090
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 3: six yards off fourteen catches. So while he is an

2091
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 3: essential part of an offense that any team would love

2092
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 3: to have, he's not your prototypical number one all Pro

2093
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 3: game wrecker in the same way as other players across

2094
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: the league at that possession. So they need someone with him,

2095
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 3: and it's just not there. And you know, what is

2096
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 3: that Wait, what's that sound I hear? What is that

2097
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: sound I hear in the distance in the sky above us?

2098
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 3: Is Oh, my goodness, the rain maker.

2099
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: Oh it's the rain maker.

2100
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: That's right.

2101
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 4: All you boys and girls, get your ad Ben Calendar's

2102
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 4: out and start unwrapping Greg the say flowers, thank you

2103
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 4: very much for not going down at the one yard line.

2104
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 4: That would have been a tough way to go out.

2105
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 3: Greg, you are living the most charmed existence this season.

2106
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 2: I must say I envy you. It's high level envy.

2107
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 3: Justin Tucker misses a automatic kick for him to keep

2108
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 3: it the spreads three and a half.

2109
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: He missed it up, by the way, too.

2110
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: We locked this up too. He locked it up as well.

2111
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 2: He misses the kick.

2112
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 3: The Chargers take over fail as they do, and then

2113
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 3: it is comes down to what looks like to be

2114
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 3: a thirteen to ten win if they just pick up

2115
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 3: the first down, and yes they not.

2116
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 11: Only does he get the first down on third and short,

2117
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 11: he doesn't go down because he wanted to do his

2118
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 11: penalty kick celebration and that gets Greg the rain Maker

2119
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 11: lock up.

2120
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 3: I just I'm just so jealous of you, Greg. Everything

2121
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 3: you touch turns the gold this season.

2122
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Stop. I mean, damn, that's a record with a pick

2123
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: this year.

2124
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Well that was a lock. That is eleven and one.

2125
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 4: As I've said, luck is luck is the most important,

2126
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 4: you know ingredient to all this.

2127
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 3: This one was, especially on the Rainmaker side of things,

2128
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 3: really yes, you know, everything is kind of clicking in

2129
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 3: on Rosenveal Boulevard this season.

2130
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 4: Well, when they got the stop on Herber and you

2131
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 4: know when when the charters are going, I'm feeling so

2132
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,799
Speaker 4: many emotions here because yes, I want all the children,

2133
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 4: especially overseas, you know, our Scottish listeners all the Yeah,

2134
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 4: I want them and their kids to the Scottish listeners

2135
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 4: have to do with this. Well, they're just they're they're big.

2136
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 4: They love they love Saint Nick, they love the Rainmaker.

2137
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 4: I don't know, I uh, I was thinking, you know,

2138
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 4: I'm torn because I kind of want to see a

2139
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 4: good game. I want to see Justin Herbert, one of

2140
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 4: my favorite players in the league, go down and not

2141
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 4: have one of these games where he gets the ball

2142
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 4: again at the end of the game and they can't score.

2143
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 4: It ends up happening, you know, twice in this game essentially,

2144
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 4: But when the Ravens got it back, you know, I

2145
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 4: was thinking, if they stop them three times in a row,

2146
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,480
Speaker 4: Tucker gets a chance at redemption there, but instead Flowers

2147
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 4: pops the big one. And that's why no one should

2148
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 4: ever actually do this. And I was mad, by the

2149
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 4: way at John Harbaugh and I know it's a kind

2150
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 4: of analytics guy way to think about it, but I

2151
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 4: hated that field goal attempt go for it on fourth

2152
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 4: and too. I hated their play calling tonight. They just

2153
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 4: refuse to run the ball like they were running the

2154
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 4: ball great. And it is the one thing I believe

2155
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 4: in this Ravens team. I love the way Clowney and

2156
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 4: always playing. I love the way they run the ball,

2157
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 4: but their passing attack is erratic, and they're gonna need

2158
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 4: them their receivers in Lamar to win some games and

2159
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 4: you just don't know which one's gonna show up. And

2160
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 4: tonight they could have just won that game if they

2161
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 4: just ran the ball more frequently, and if they had

2162
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 4: gone for that fourth and too to just just try

2163
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 4: to put the way ball game away there, that's fine.

2164
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Keith Mitchell deserves more touches than he's got. He

2165
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,559
Speaker 3: got nine in this game and he turned it into

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Speaker 3: sixty four yards. I just think every time he touches

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Speaker 3: the ball he makes their offense better. And you are

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Speaker 3: right about to Damian Clowney. I mean, he looked five

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Speaker 3: years younger, and I know it probably annoys Browns fans

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Speaker 3: because of him. He didn't live up to the promise

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Speaker 3: of a number one overall pick, and then last year

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 3: he essentially quit on that team, and now he's in

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Speaker 3: hated Baltimore and playing at a high level he had.

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Speaker 3: That's like the holy trinity for a defensive player when

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Speaker 3: you can get the sack, the force, fumble and the

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Speaker 3: fumble recovery on Herbert. So Clowney has been almost predictably

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Speaker 3: the best version of himself once he got to Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Well, they take other people's players and they make them better,

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Speaker 4: like pat Rokwan. Smith is just outrageous how good he's playing.

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Speaker 4: You get Clowney, van Noy's making plays. I mean Hamilton

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Speaker 4: that that was their own pick. But when he made

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Speaker 4: a big play early in the game, I think it

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Speaker 4: was on Eckler and then did the the too small

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Speaker 4: celebration Dan, which you know felt personal to Eckler, you know,

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Speaker 4: not the not the tallest guy.

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Speaker 3: It's been a tough year for Austin Eckler. That's seven

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Speaker 3: and a half sacks for Clowney. I've been tracking very

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Speaker 3: closely for over a decade. Will you ever get to ten?

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Speaker 3: Maybe this year this could be it.

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Speaker 4: Might you might get a Super Bowl ring here, this

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Speaker 4: team is nine and three. It's it's why I when

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Speaker 4: you ask me who's the one seed, you know is

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Speaker 4: the Jaguars early in the day, and then there was

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs at midday. And as I was saying, I

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Speaker 4: was like, is this going to be dated? Well, no,

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Speaker 4: because you listened all the way to the end and

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Speaker 4: now the Ravens are the one seed.

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Speaker 3: In the It changed hands three times today four yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the Dolphins had I think it started with

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Speaker 4: the Dolphins went to the Jags, went to the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Now it's the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: One last thing I missed it before, but I wanted

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Speaker 3: to let you know in the Cadence rankings, I know

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Speaker 3: you're your top ten at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: I want you to keep your eye on Titans quarterback

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Speaker 3: Will Levis, who has a throaty, aggressive, masculine Cadence call

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Speaker 3: and it's something that warrants close eye as his career

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Speaker 3: continues to unfold.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: That's why we got to finish this so I can

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Speaker 4: dive into that tape. What what a what a transition

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Speaker 4: that's like the rot the farm to rogers of Cadences.

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Speaker 4: Because Tannehill is one of the one of the greats

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Speaker 4: of his generation.

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Speaker 2: YEP, I don't think it's a coincidence. All right, that's it.

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Speaker 3: We're assuming Mark will get back to his home by

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Speaker 3: Ian Mark.

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Speaker 4: I feel for you, buddy, because I don't not that

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Speaker 4: he's going to listen to this, but I know how

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Speaker 4: frustrated he probably is sitting in that traffic.

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Speaker 3: I got curiously, I got a lot of like panicked,

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Speaker 3: angry texts about it, but it wasn't the three of us.

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Speaker 2: So maybe he's he's afraid of you. So maybe you

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Speaker 2: guys have to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Why Why would have you afraid of me?

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Speaker 4: This is one where yeah, it's that that is not

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Speaker 4: on him.

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Speaker 3: Mark will be back with us on Monday when we

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Speaker 3: have our NFL Plus Game of the Week Eagles Bill,

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Speaker 3: so make sure you check that out, and also Monday

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Speaker 3: Night Football when we wrap up the week with Bears Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Till then, you know what you must do, heed the call.