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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Fogelbaum, and today we're

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Speaker 1: talking about food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. You heard

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Speaker 1: that correctly, listeners, Food and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This

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Speaker 1: was a suggestion from listener Christie High Christie. Lauren absolutely

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Speaker 1: jumped on. Um yep. I was like, well, that's the one.

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Speaker 1: That's the one for this week. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: about this. And I know I say that in every

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Speaker 1: episode and it's true in every episode, but I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for a different reason in this one because a lot

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Speaker 1: of times we talk about things where I know you've

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Speaker 1: probably experienced this to Lauren, where you do the research,

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Speaker 1: but it's just different than like living in that world

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Speaker 1: and knowing it and yeah, and being able to write.

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Speaker 1: It's the difference between like just following all of these

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Speaker 1: lines of of of inquiry that you that you find

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Speaker 1: reference to and having those lines of inquiry yourself and

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Speaker 1: exactly more or less being able to answer them off

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Speaker 1: the top of your head. Exactly. But most of the

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Speaker 1: time I feel like you and I are on a

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Speaker 1: very similar wavelength, like maybe one of us has a

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Speaker 1: little bit more experience, but not much. But this is

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Speaker 1: the time where I'm so excited because I feel like

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Speaker 1: the stuff that I've written you might be able to

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Speaker 1: correct me or be like well, and also because you

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Speaker 1: have so much more knowledge of it than I do. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have. I have some Buffy knowledge in my head

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Speaker 1: that if that would be inaccurate. But but but you

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Speaker 1: you watched it too. I did, and it's actually one

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Speaker 1: of a handful of shows that I watched on TV

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Speaker 1: every episode. Yeah. Um, I was kind of young ish though,

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Speaker 1: and um, there's some things I remember super well. I

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Speaker 1: remember that like song They're coming for You, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: die screaming, but you won't be heard. I still remember

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Speaker 1: that really well, from from from Hush right. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: then I've often said that the Body, the one where

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Speaker 1: Buffy's mom dies, is one of the best episodes I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen on television. Uh yeah, a spoiler alert, it

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Speaker 1: was it it's over twenty years old. But okay, so

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Speaker 1: fair fair. I was like, good, I just pearl clutched.

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Speaker 1: Um okay, but but yes, um, for sure, that episode

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Speaker 1: is just extraordinarily well done. Um. They they chose to

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Speaker 1: ways to to really drive home uh grief and especially

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Speaker 1: that very early grief process. Yeah yeah, like ringing sounds. Um.

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Speaker 1: I did rewatch the whole series about like six or

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Speaker 1: seven years ago, whenever that big like we had those

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Speaker 1: two snow apocalypses. I, um, I rewatched it in there.

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Speaker 1: But as I recently told Lauren off Mike, I'm one

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Speaker 1: of the worst people to watch things with because I'm

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Speaker 1: always doing a million other things. So I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like I halfway watched him and halfway did it.

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Speaker 1: That's about where I am. Um, I do love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Oh yeah. I actually missed the Buffy

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Speaker 1: um I I didn't. I didn't catch on until until

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Speaker 1: my friends Kate and Gabe sat me down and made

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Speaker 1: me watch the musical episode, which is from season six.

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Speaker 1: UM and they and like like paused it to explain

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Speaker 1: all the references. They were like, no, you will like

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Speaker 1: this show. You should be watching it. Here is why,

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Speaker 1: and uh this this was only like a little bit

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Speaker 1: the way that I watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer is

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Speaker 1: that my friend Aaron kindly sent me boxes and boxes

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Speaker 1: of VHS tapes that he had recorded off of broadcast television.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is a solid friend. And I did the

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Speaker 1: same for a friend of mine was Supernatural for a while.

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Speaker 1: Um um, and I did. I went through through those

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Speaker 1: for nothing. Whoever made those DVD menues, they knew what

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Speaker 1: are you still watching with Netflix? Oh yeah, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah if if if if, are you still watching?

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Speaker 1: Mom never told you right towards the end of Kristen

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Speaker 1: tlevision perhaps, um. And how it's been so positively influential

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Speaker 1: on especially like sci fi fantasy genre TV and film. Um.

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Speaker 1: word problematic like about fifteen times. Yeah. Yeah, you were

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Speaker 1: modern discourse. Yes, yes, it is, UM. And I gave

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Speaker 1: one day, one day. Yes, And I guess this brings

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Speaker 1: us to our question. Yes, foods a Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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Speaker 1: What are they? Um? Oh well, uh, let's let's start

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Speaker 1: I confused about what you're doing listening to this show

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Speaker 1: and probably a number of other things as well. But yes, um.

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Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a TV show UM that

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Speaker 1: ran from through two thousand three. That's seven seasons with

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Speaker 1: I have a I have a suspicion about what that means.

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Speaker 1: So I've never seen it. Oh my heck, you've never Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is that is the next movie night?

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Speaker 1: but hey, we're a food show. Um, accordedly, I say again. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it does feature people eating. Yes, yes, so let's talk

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Speaker 1: the secret ingredient is in fact people. She gets fired

423
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: after she she runs out and is telling all the

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Speaker 1: patrons in the dining area about her suspicions. Um, she

425
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: has Willow analyzed the ingredients and drum roll, it is

426
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: not people. It's not even meat. Nope, Nope, it's silly

427
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: loase it's vegetable protein. Yeah. Um. As Madeline Davies over

428
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: at Eater pointed out when this episode came out in

429
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: two thousand two, there were plant based burgers around. Um,

430
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: but they hadn't really entered the fast food market yet,

431
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: so this was like pretty impossible burger and beyond burger,

432
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: so went away. The Double Meat Palace was ahead of

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00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: its time. And if you're worried, Buffy did get her

434
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Speaker 1: job back, although I guess you could argue the pros

435
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: and cons of that at this particular establishment. And a

436
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: monster was behind the missing employees and the face of course,

437
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: yes the monster was eating humans, yes, but but but

438
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: no one else was except for maybe a little bit

439
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: that got into the meat grinder. Yes, that is the

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00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Double Meat Burger. Um. And I guess on that note,

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: we we do have, um, we do have more food

442
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: of Buffy for you. Um. But first we've got a

443
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back.

444
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. I wanted to

445
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: put in a brief note here about not food within Buffy,

446
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: but food from the actor played Buffy, Sarah Michelle geller Um.

447
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: She published a cookbook back in It's called Stirring Up

448
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Fun with Food, and it's it's a lot of family

449
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: friendly recipes to make food more fun and creative for kids.

450
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: Because her and her husband, Freddie Prince Jr. Have two kids,

451
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: and she says that she had to like seriously do

452
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Speaker 1: some do some learning in the kitchen um when the

453
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: kids came along, Um and Annie. It features a menu

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Speaker 1: for Star Wars Day, including chewy cookies. Um. Apparently Sarah

455
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: Michelle and apparently the whole family or fans. Um. Freddie

456
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: does a voice acting for for Star Wars as the

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Speaker 1: Jedi Canaan. Um. Sarah Michelle shows up in Uh the

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Speaker 1: show rebels as well. Um. So I didn't know Freddie

459
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Speaker 1: French Jr. Was in the Star Wars universe. And I

460
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: saw the most recent film Rise with Skywalker. I was

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00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: sitting through the credits and I saw his name pop

462
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: up and the credits as a voice. And I turned

463
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Speaker 1: to my friend and I said, so seriously, Freddie Prince Jedi.

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: So that's what I call him now. Um. Also Laura knows.

465
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: But one of my quarantine projects is I'm keeping track

466
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Speaker 1: of how many Star Wars references I encounter in a day.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this since May. I have some serious data,

468
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Speaker 1: but you've given me several right here. And also right

469
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Speaker 1: before we start recording, I remembered the theme song for

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Speaker 1: Buffy was by the Nerve Herders, which is a Star

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Speaker 1: Wars reference. The name of the band is a Star

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Speaker 1: Wars reference. Yes, yes, that puts me up to like

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Speaker 1: eleven today already. So dang well, I'm always glad to help.

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Speaker 1: Thank you that that really gave my day a boost. Thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh and if you haven't watched Star Wars Rebels, you

476
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Speaker 1: totally should. I I really enjoy that show. It's super

477
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: it's super fun. Yeah, I've been meaning to. I know,

478
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Speaker 1: I like them. I get kind of nervous with TV

479
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: shows that I know I'm going to have to finish

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: because I'm also I'll stay up all night and I

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Speaker 1: just know it's going to be a big thing to

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Speaker 1: embark on, so I'm waiting to be ready to But yeah,

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00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: I definitely want to check it out. And what's the

484
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Speaker 1: other one I want to see? Clone Wars? Oh? Yeah?

485
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Also great? Also great? Yes, high quality must But okay

486
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: back to Buffy. Yes, and uh, this is another one,

487
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Speaker 1: Christie said, and it's band Candy. H this is one

488
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Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes probably, Oh I remember this one too.

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Speaker 1: Um and this it took me back because Lauren and

490
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Andrew recently were subjected to some of my very dramatic

491
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Speaker 1: marching band memories, and I have so many. I did

492
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Speaker 1: have to sell these chocolate bars and lollipops and own

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Speaker 1: nuts to raise money for our band uniforms, so this

494
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Speaker 1: hit close to home. Yeah, yeah, I would love to

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Speaker 1: have just a we need to do our We're vaguely

496
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Speaker 1: talking about doing random Saturday shows that aren't food related,

497
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Speaker 1: which I'm sure will never happen, but if we did,

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Speaker 1: I want to do one that's just me complaining about

499
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Speaker 1: marching band. Yeah. Oh I'm into it. Oh man, we can.

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Speaker 1: We could do a whole other one of me complaining

501
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: about yearbook. It would be great. Yes, okay, all right,

502
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: maybe Quarantine project in the future. But yes, back to

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Speaker 1: band candy. In the world of Buffy, this is the

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00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: title of the sixth episode in season three, and the

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00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: principle passes out boxes of milk bar chocolate for the

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Speaker 1: students to sell to raise money for the band uniforms,

507
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: not just to the banned students, all the students. Because

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Speaker 1: this this particular principal, portrayed uh gorgeously by arm and Shimmerman,

509
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: who also plays Quirk in Deep Space nine, um is

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Speaker 1: is just it's just a real just a real nasty

511
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Speaker 1: little guy. Uh and oh oh oh indeed, so yeah,

512
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I remember being like, why he's just passing these out

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: to non band students. Um, so often happens. Buffy sells

514
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Speaker 1: half her candy to her mom, and she sells the

515
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Speaker 1: other half to Giles, which is sort of her mentor

516
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: also often happens um and both learn that she's lied

517
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Speaker 1: to them about her whereabouts because they're kind of overscheduling her, um,

518
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Speaker 1: trying to keep her on track like s A T

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Speaker 1: S and slaying practice all this stuff. And in their

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Speaker 1: stress of finding this out, they eat some of the

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: chocolate and the next day Buffy you notice is some

522
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Speaker 1: out of character behavior from the both of them. Giles

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00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: is late, he's smoking. Her mom pulls out a bottle

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Speaker 1: of Khalua and gives Buffy the keys to her car

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Speaker 1: when she'd earlier refused to allow Buffy to even get

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Speaker 1: a license. Giles starts going by Ripper, which is his

527
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: like like like like bad boy youth name exactly yep uh. Later,

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Speaker 1: Buffy and Willow go to to a glove the Bronze,

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Speaker 1: and it's just packed with adults acting like teenagers, including

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Speaker 1: the principle and they're all They all seem to be

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Speaker 1: shoving their faces with these candy birds, leading the Scooby

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Speaker 1: Gang to suspect that they are the candy bars are

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Speaker 1: behind this behavior, and the situation really escalates. Giles beats

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Speaker 1: up a cop and steals his car and all of

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Speaker 1: his stuff. He and Buffy's mom make out on the

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Speaker 1: hood of the are It's more than makeout, Buffy finds

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Speaker 1: out later during this one period of time when she

538
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: can read people's thoughts. Yeah, they mentioned this in several episodes.

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00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. Yeah, it actually turns really sweet.

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00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: But but at any rate, please please continue. Yes, um. So,

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Speaker 1: Buffy investigates the factory that manufactures the candy bars and

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: interrogates the person running it until he admits that the

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00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: candy is a part of a plot to render the

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Speaker 1: adults kind of uncaring while a demon eats babies as

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00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: you do. Pretty much. Yeah, um and the batty here

546
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: um not the demon, but the but the dude running

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00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: the candy factory was one of giles old friends from

548
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Speaker 1: his Ripper days, one one Ethan rain Um, who also

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00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: shows up in another candy related episode. Um the the

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Speaker 1: Helloween episode from season two, the name of which I

551
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: did not look up. Um, candy doesn't really fit into

552
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: his plot that time. Um, But but Xander does give

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00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: a group of young tricker treaters advice on how to

554
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: us Slee's extra candy from from the houses that they

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00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: hit up. Ah those days, be a kid just trying

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Speaker 1: to get the most candy that you can. Yeah. I

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00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: also love how in the at least the synopsis I

558
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: was reading on I think it was the Buffy Wicky

559
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: fandom for this episode, it's Buffy and teterrogates Ethan with

560
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Speaker 1: her fist and he yep, that's so yep. I love

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00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: the phrasing of that. So this one I actually found

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Speaker 1: on my own and I don't remember this episode at all,

563
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: but oh it is unmemorable, so that's fair. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that more in a minute. But the

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Speaker 1: episode in question here is Beer Bad, which is an

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Speaker 1: episode five UM season four. Buffy is not handling a

567
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: recent breakup well, uh, so she goes to the bar

568
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: that Xander recently got a job in as a bartender.

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Speaker 1: I think he fake with a fake idea, I believe, yeah,

570
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: because none of them are of age at this point right,

571
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: um to drink her stars away with a beer called

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00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: black Frost. So she gets drunk with a group of

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Speaker 1: college dudes. Later wakes up not feeling so hot, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't stop her from going back drinking even more

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Speaker 1: that night, um, until Xander makes her go home, only

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Speaker 1: to find that her drinking buddies are now aggressive Neanderthals. Yes, yes,

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00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: you know how it goes. Turns out the pub's owner

578
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: has been using a chemical lab to brew this revenge

579
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: beer in retaliation for all the stuff college kids and

580
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: put him through over the years. Also as you do. Yeah, okay,

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00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: so yes, there is a lot of controversy around this episode.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks regarded as one of the worst

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Speaker 1: episodes ever. Um. Some international viewers called out what they

584
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: saw as American puritanicalism. Alcohol and casual sex are bad

585
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: that kind of messaging. Um, I believe. Josh Sweden was

586
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: even asked about it, and and he was like, you know,

587
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: some of them don't turn out that you thought they

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00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: would on paper. But um, apparently the episode was written

589
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: with the original intent of cashing in on some US

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00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: government subsidies provided to entertainment that had this anti drug message. Yeah,

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00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: and and people involved in this program at the White

592
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: House would read scripts. Um. Yeah, and this was like

593
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: a big secret hardly anyone knew about. I mean a

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00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: handful of people knew about it until Salon reported on

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00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: it after investigating for I think six months. Um. It

596
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Speaker 1: caused this huge up war. Some we're calling it propaganda,

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00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: mind control. Um beer bad. Though this was like an

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Speaker 1: official memo report. I was reading this episode of Buffy

599
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: the Vampire Slayer was rejected like in this memo uh

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Speaker 1: for funding. As someone who helped make the decision said

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Speaker 1: drugs were an issue, but it wasn't on strategy. It

602
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: was otherworldly nonsense, very abstract and not like real life

603
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Speaker 1: kids taking drugs. Humors wouldn't make the link to our message.

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Speaker 1: Other worldly nonsense. Oh wow, that I mean fair fair Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think I would have gotten a message though.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty you know. And I was thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: and and I would say that that overall throughout the series,

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Speaker 1: the way that drinking and a use is portrayed, UM

609
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: is very cautious. Um. It's it's certainly portrayed as negative

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Speaker 1: for the underage characters. UM. Throughout the series of both

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00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: Magic and Vampirism, are used as metaphors. They're portrayed as

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Speaker 1: addictive and destructive, you know, like only the bad guys

613
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Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes, and only when you know they're just casually

614
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: trying to be like, right evil, I'm smoking um uh.

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Speaker 1: After after the characters are of age, they are occasionally

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Speaker 1: shown drinking, but only like casually. Um. At one point,

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Speaker 1: the character Annya, who happens to be a thousand year

618
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Speaker 1: old vengeance demon who looks like like a late teenager

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe in our early twenties. Um. She she's at

620
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Speaker 1: one point unable to order a drink, an alcoholic drink

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Speaker 1: at the Bronze because she doesn't have I d um

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Speaker 1: so so you know, like they usually stay on top

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Speaker 1: of it. So I I think that that government reader

624
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: should have considered more deeply he should of this beer

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00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: bad episode. Uh. Yeah it was. It was a totally

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Speaker 1: fascinating unexpected rabbit hole. And they had a list of

627
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Speaker 1: all the shows that like got money. They got like

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars, like the Drew Carey show, Wayne's Brothers

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Speaker 1: uh and the episodes that got the funding. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to look into it, it was fascinating to me. Um,

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Speaker 1: But I also want to say, not all bad. This

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Speaker 1: episode was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Hairstyling in

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Speaker 1: the Series, so take that, haters. Uh. This is extra

634
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: funny because because the the hairstyling in question is that

635
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: as Buffy regresses into like this knee and call Buffy state,

636
00:42:53,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: her hair just gets like big wacky cave person hair. Uh.

637
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying that as though it means something real,

638
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: but it's it's just like this like giant like sticks

639
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: and leaves, kind of kind of boof of hair. Um. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I appreciate that the people behind

641
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: the Emmy's really appreciated that recognize greatness when they see it. Yeah. Yeah, Um.

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00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to put in here another episode that that

643
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: does deal explicitly about food. Um. The Thanksgiving episode Payings um.

644
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Speaker 1: And this is season four, episode eight that the plot

645
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: revolves around Buffy attempting to host her own Thanksgiving because

646
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: her mother is out of town for Thanksgiving that year. Um.

647
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: And you know she she's also just graduated high school.

648
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: So it's kind of playing on that thing that many

649
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: of his experience when we're kind of on our own

650
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: for the first time trying to do this grown up thing.

651
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: Um and and literally everything that could go wrong does,

652
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Speaker 1: like up to and including the vengeful spirits of wronged

653
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: Native Americans cursing in or killing people in ways reminiscent

654
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Speaker 1: of the ways that colonizers harmed them. Wow as you do. Yeah,

655
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: um and and this is this is real awkward, y'all. Um,

656
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: but you know this show is trying to deal with

657
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: it reflexively. Um. Like, the spirits come to life in

658
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: the first place when ground is broken for a new

659
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: cultural center, which disturbs a sacred Native site. So they're

660
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: making an effort like and and like the characters all

661
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: feel conflicted about fighting the spirits because they're like, no,

662
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: you were the ones who were in the right in

663
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: the first Oh, you're trying to kill us, okay. Um.

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Speaker 1: One character, again, willow Is, is conflicted about celebrating Thanksgiving

665
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: in general because of all of the wrongs that colonizers

666
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: did too Native people. Um. She says, it's a it's

667
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: a sham. Buffy replies, but it's a sham with yams.

668
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a yam sham sham. H. Food comes

669
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: up a lot because they're you know, making a Thanksgiving dinner. Um.

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Speaker 1: Uh Anya, the aforementioned thousand year old vengeance demon, um,

671
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: insists that Thanksgiving is a great ritual sacrifice kind of

672
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: holiday and that she loves that sort of thing, and

673
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: upon being challenged, they're like, this is not a ritual sacrifice.

674
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: She says, to commemorate a past event, you kill and

675
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice with pie. Hard

676
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: to argue with that, correct Um, And and a few

677
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: more little ones to kind of to kind of wrap up, Um.

678
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: I did want to put in that the demons of

679
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: this series do not only eat people. Um. Kittens are

680
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: also a popular demon snack. Not cats with kittens, but

681
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: kitten kittens specifically. Yeah, oh gosh, Yeah, there's a there's

682
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: a quote. At one point a demon is saying like,

683
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: hey to another demon, like, hey, pay up those kittens

684
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: you owe me. The second demon goes like, goes like,

685
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: but but I just need a little more time, okay,

686
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: And the first one goes, time is what turns kittens

687
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: into cats. See, this is what I want to see.

688
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: I always want to see the goofy, Like, I want

689
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: to see that demon trying to catch kittens, you know

690
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? That's what I want. Yeah, Yeah, one

691
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: of one of the demons that they're that they try

692
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Speaker 1: to humanize a little bit. Um. The demon's name is

693
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: clem Um. He actually gives up his kitten habit because

694
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Speaker 1: because I think it's a combination of like they're a

695
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: little bit too caloric, um. Uh, like he was watching

696
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Speaker 1: his cholesterol, you know. And and also he feels bad

697
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: about it, Okay, but it's primarily I think I got it. Um.

698
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: One of the uh, one of the great mysteries of

699
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: the series is the cheese Man. Not the cheese man, Yes,

700
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: the cheese man. He this is this is a dude

701
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: who shows up um in in the dreams of four

702
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: of the main characters in the episode Restless, which is

703
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: the finale of season four. And it's just this guy

704
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: in a suit, unassuming guy who's who's carrying around slices

705
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: of American cheese, like little square slices, you know. Um.

706
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: And he's never explained huh never, never a great mystery. Indeed, well,

707
00:47:52,239 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: cheese is a mystery. Cheese is a fabulous mystery. Um

708
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: and uh and I guess I guess I want to

709
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: to to finish out this episode, uh with a reference

710
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: from the finale of the show in which Buffy refers

711
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: to herself as cookie Dough. She she says, she she's

712
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: trying to explain too long time flame, uh sometime vampire angel,

713
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: that you know, she's not ready to to to to

714
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: settle down with him or with anyone um, or to

715
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: make any serious choices about her life because she is

716
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: still growing up um. And she says, Okay, I'm cookie dough.

717
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not done baking. I'm not finished becoming whoever the

718
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: hell it is I'm going to turn out to be.

719
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: I make it through this and the next thing and

720
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: the next thing, and maybe one day I turn around

721
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: and realize I'm ready. I'm cookies. And then you know,

722
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: if I want someone to eat or enjoy warm it's

723
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: just cooking me, then that's fine. That'll be then when

724
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Speaker 1: I'm done beautiful it is really Yeah, that's another line

725
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: that I think about a lot of, Like maybe I'm

726
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: still cookie though, and maybe that's okay, cookie does great

727
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: it is. Oh yeah, this has been a fun one

728
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah I did when I mentioned I didn't.

729
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: It's like a super short thing. But there's also that

730
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: picture of Buffy and her sushi Pizona pajamas. Yeah, she's

731
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: like saying all these tough things, and she's like, that

732
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: would have sounded formidating. I wasn't in my happy, happy

733
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: sushi pajamas. Yeah. I often feel that way, like cookie

734
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: dough or like I'm in my trying to be scary

735
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: in my happy sushi pajamas. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's

736
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: very relatable. Oh absolutely it is. That's about what we

737
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: have to say about the food of Buffy. That is

738
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Speaker 1: um And we do have some listener mail for you,

739
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Speaker 1: but first we've got one more quick break forward from

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Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you,

741
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Speaker 1: and we're back with this norm. So how it goes

742
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Speaker 1: it's basically how it goes. Perfect Again. By the time

743
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Speaker 1: I realized what you were doing, I was laughing too

744
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: hard to really to really get into it. But yes,

745
00:50:52,480 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: I try. I try so, Andrea, And yeah, I know

746
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: if some people say it differently wrote about a Rock

747
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: four episode. Through my quick internet search, I found that

748
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: the term rock comes from the term rock or rook.

749
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: Any Chess fan will recognize that a rook is a

750
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: fortified castle. The cheese is made in the city of

751
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: rock Force or Susan. The strongly fortified castle on the

752
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: Sulson River. My husband and I visited the Rock for

753
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Caves decades ago. My palate was less varied, and I

754
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: was at first repulsed by the pungent odor. But the

755
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: cheese was so fresh and delicious. I would highly recommend

756
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: you taste local cheeses of your region. There's such a

757
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 1: difference between fresh and packaged cheeses. We wandered the French

758
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: countryside eating bread, cheese and tomatoes. What could be better?

759
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: How much um? During the tour of the caves, we

760
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: were showing a video describing the story of cheesemaking in

761
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: Rock For The audio was in French. We were trying

762
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: to translate using our phrase book and our knowledge of

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00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: Spanish and Italian for in justest geographically in between so

764
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: linguistically not so much. All of this in we heard

765
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: with great dramatics, raw to fromage, King of Cheese. From

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00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: that point on, we um, and now our kids shout

767
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: every time we taste delicious cheese, raw to fromage, which

768
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: is excellent. That is excellent. Also, one of the words

769
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: I have the most difficulty saying is roar like a lion.

770
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: And oh this when I was in French raw is

771
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: close to it. Uh, And we did. Ah. I don't

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00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: know why, but we we did a whole thing on

773
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: the Lion King the movie. So I had to pay

774
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: it like so many times, and every time I would

775
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: just like stumble and mess it up. And so I

776
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: have sort of I love this saying though, like just

777
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: shouting King of Cheese these That's excellent, that is see.

778
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I started souting cinnamon roll. That's my thing. Now. I

779
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: don't shout enough when I'm eating food. Oh, you've got

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00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: to change that, Lauren. I do, I do. I'll work

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: on it and I'll update you. Okay, good. I'm sure

782
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: my neighbors are like, oh, she has lost it in quarantine.

783
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: She's just shouting random food names, haven't we all? Though?

784
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean haven't haven't? Ali wrote, I just finished your

785
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: Easter episode when I was reminded of a local holiday

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00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: here in Utah. As a recent transplant to the state,

787
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: I was baffled when I learned of a state holiday

788
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: on July called Pioneer Day. Most Utahs receive this day

789
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: off of work. It celebrates the arrival of the morbid

790
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: Pioneers to Utah. What does that have to do with food?

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: You ask, well, after the parade festivities are over, if

792
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: you aren't Mormon, you had to a local eatery to

793
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: celebrate the unofficial Pie and Beer Day. Local breweries and

794
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: a dessert slash pizza makers put their wits together to

795
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: come up with many a creative and unusual combo. I've

796
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: also recently gone down a movie rabbit hole for be

797
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: horror films starring food as the monster I can recommend

798
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, Attack

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00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: of the Killer Donuts, and in Human Witch. I have

800
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: seen the other two, but I have not seen in

801
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: Human Witch, So thank you. Yes, be horror film recommendations always, Well,

802
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: you could not tell clearly in the Buffy episode, I

803
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 1: think we're our colors are showing yes please. And also

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: Pie and Beer Day. That sounds fantastic, and um, Lauren

805
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: and I went on a very long tangent about Supernatural. Uh,

806
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: in these ad breaks that we take for no apparent reason,

807
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: we actually take and I was wondering, like, well, when

808
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: Supernatural finally ends there in their fift and fine season,

809
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: what episodes should we do then? And Dean loves pie

810
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: and beer. Oh there's a there's something there, there is,

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: what there is? Maybe it'll finally be time for our

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00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: Burger episode. Oh yeah, there's a So I believe I

813
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: gave you that Buffy book. Um, Samantha over on Sminty,

814
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I gave her a supernatural cookbook. So I have to

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Speaker 1: ask her if there's any good recipes or things in there. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: and I'll check them. The book you gave me is

817
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: um they put out like like like a like Willows

818
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: like guide to Demons and stuff. Um, and uh, so

819
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: I'll check and see if there's recipes in there. Yeah. Yes,

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00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: another thing to report back on us. And if any

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00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: of you, I know some of you listeners have sent

822
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: in recipes from the geeky nerdy things that we talked

823
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Speaker 1: about on here, always send those. We love them. Yea.

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Speaker 1: email is hello at savor pod dot com. We're also

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