1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: During the early nineteenth century, counties across the United States 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: created poor houses to assist financially challenged residents. Historically, poverty 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: stricken people in most communities could apply for some assistance 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: from local government officials, but this system proved very expensive. 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: Often officials would order destitute people from the community if 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: the people could not change their financial situation quickly. To 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: still provide but to reduce the cost of government assistance, 10 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: many counties established poor houses in the early eighteen hundreds. 11 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Poorhouses provided destitute people with shelter. They also commonly provided 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: residents with employment opportunities. Women cared for the houses upkeep. 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: All men would take classes to learn a trade or 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: work in farm fields to provide food for the poorhouses residents. 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: Many rested on optimistic assumptions about the possibilities of reform, rehabilitation, 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: and education. Their sponsors believed that institutions could improve society 17 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: through their impact on individual personalities. Because of their environmental sources, crime, poverty, ignorance, 18 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: and mental illness could be eradicated. Yet taking in everyone 19 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: proved to be out of the wheelhouse for many of 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: these institutions, and after nearly one hundred years, the campaign 21 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: to restrict poorhouses to the old and helpless finally succeeded 22 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: in the early decades of the twentieth century. In New York. 23 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: By the end of the First World War, the poorhouse 24 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: was being looked upon as an institution mainly for the 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: care of the aged and infirm. Here in the gradual 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: transformation of poorhouses lay the origins of public old age homes. 27 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: The departure of children, the mentally ill, and the able 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: body did not mean that conditions and poor houses improved 29 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: dramatically for those left behind. Throughout the early twentieth century, 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: investigations routinely uncovered wretched conditions. In some less populous states. 31 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Four houses remained relatively unspecialized, mixing children, the insane, sick, 32 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: able body, and elderly. Old age homes paid a price 33 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: for their origins as poor houses. Emerging as part of 34 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: the structure of public relief, they never wholly lost the 35 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: stigma attached to welfare. They were places of last resort, 36 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: dreaded by the poor. However, places like the Lawrence County 37 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Home for the Aged to began forming. Built in nineteen 38 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: homes like this were meant to turn over a new leaf, 39 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: but this one, known today as Hillview Manor, is said 40 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: to be known as the most haunted site in western Pennsylvania. 41 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: So if they were successful with their reforms, why is 42 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: it so haunted? I'm Amy Brunei and this is haunted road. 43 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: In June, the city of Newcastle, Pennsylvania started accepting bids 44 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: to build the New Lawrence County Home for the Aged, 45 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: essentially a poorhouse for the county's mentally ill, severely destitute, 46 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: and elderly residents with no known family. This joint city 47 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: County Home, to be built in Nango Township on the 48 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Newcastle Elwood Road, would replace the Aging Newcastle City Home 49 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: and consolidate various smaller institutions around the county. The Newcastle 50 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: City Home, a working farm and collection of building, is 51 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: located on Old Pittsburgh Road, near the present day site 52 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: of the Chenango Elementary School. Had been around since opening 53 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: in November eighteen sixty seven. The facility had been built 54 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: on forty four acres donated by Charles Phillips of Newcastle. 55 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: Although there was initially a three man board of what 56 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: they called poor directors. One of them, a man named 57 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: Robert Reynolds, largely kept the home in operation with his 58 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: own financing and tireless efforts behind the scenes. Over the 59 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: next three decades, the home usually maintained only two full 60 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: time staff members and housed about ten inmates as they 61 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: were called at any given time. By nineteen hundred, the 62 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: resident population at its peak had increased to twenty seven inmates, 63 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: but was down to eighteen in nineteen twenty. The institution 64 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: was for Newcastle residents only and was run by a superintendent, 65 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: who was elected to a four year term by the 66 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: city commissioners. Assisting the superintendent was a similarly elected matron 67 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: who personally versaw all the female inmates. Perry D. Snyder 68 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: and his wife Mary A. Snyder, first elected in March 69 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen, would serve in those respective posts for the 70 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: next three decades. The state of the art County Home 71 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: also included vocational rooms, a smoking room, several lounges, a 72 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: bomb shelter, a laundry, a four car garage, a large garden, 73 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: a small working farm, and a cemetery. An excerpt from 74 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: an article about the County Home in Newcastle News of 75 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: October twenty nineteen explains that aged people without a friend 76 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: in the world will be able to spend their declining 77 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: years in comfort. Most of the inmates were wards of 78 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: the county and sentenced to confinement at the home. Construction 79 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: was behind schedule, but the facility finally opened on Tuesday, 80 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: October nineteenth, nineteen twenty six. On that day, the Snyders 81 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: and their two children, about a dozen staff members, and 82 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: the first twenty inmates left Field City Home and took 83 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: up residence in the nearby Lawrence County Home. The new 84 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: home did not generally take children, although a young boy 85 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: was among the first twenty residents. The old City Home 86 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: was abandoned soon after and was later sold. The new 87 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: County Home worked in conjunction was several other facilities, including 88 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: the Margaret Henry Home and the Almira Home. Orphaned and 89 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: other similarly disadvantaged children were handled at the Margaret Henry Home, 90 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: known as the Holy Family Home prior to nineteen on 91 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: Cunningham Avenue in Newcastle. The Almira Home on East Washington 92 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: Street in Newcastle was a haven for elderly women. Under 93 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: the Snyder's long reign, the number of inmates steadily grew, 94 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: but fluctuated over the years, from seventy two inmates in 95 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: December nine to one d seventy six in December nineteen 96 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: thirty four and one hundred thirty six in December nineteen 97 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: thirty nine. In June nineteen forty four, county welfare officials 98 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: in the Snyders came under fire during a rather heated 99 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: public hearing held at the county Courthouse investigating claims of 100 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: incompetency at the home. The Snyders were both in their 101 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: late seventies at this point and probably not suited to 102 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: operate such a challenging facility. In the wake of the hearing, 103 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: the Snyders were basically retired with pensions, but allowed to 104 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: stay on at the home with produced roles. By late August, 105 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: with Perry Snyder's sick in bed and Mary tending to 106 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: him on many days, the Snyders were given three weeks 107 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: to vacate the premises. That vacate order ended the Snyder's 108 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: run of over thirty years of service to the local community. 109 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: Man Spy Hogue, the longtime director of the county's welfare department, 110 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: took over operation of the Home. The Lawrence County Home 111 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: continued an operation for many years, and in the latter 112 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: half of the nineteen sixties, while under the supervision of 113 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: Director Clarence E. Covert was remodeled and morphed into a 114 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: skilled nursing center. By n seventy the home was facing 115 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: severe overcrowding issues and was housing an average of about 116 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: one hundred fifteen elderly people at any one time. In 117 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: December nineteen seventy four, the county decided to update and 118 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: expand the home by adding a whole new section and 119 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: remodeling some of the existing floors. The new three story edition, 120 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: with an additional basement floor to be built off of 121 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: the woman's department, would allow the home to accommodate another 122 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: thirty or so residence. A new kitchen and dining room, 123 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: and other occupational rooms were also included in the construction. 124 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: The new north wing cost one point seven million dollars 125 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: and opened in mid nineteen seventy seven. Meanwhile, after a 126 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: contest to find a more suitable name for the antiquated 127 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: sounding Lawrence County Home for the Aged, it was renamed 128 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: as the Hillview Manor. On March twenty two, nine seventy seven. 129 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Due to financial constraints, The county shut down Hillview Manor 130 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: in January of two thousand four. The old home has 131 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: gained quite the notoriety for being touted as one of 132 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: the most haunted locations in all of western Pennsylvania. In 133 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, local paranormalist Candy Brandiff began leasing 134 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: the facility and conducting ghost tours for the public. In 135 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: May of Haunted Hillview Manner Incorporated took over the property 136 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: and offers a wide variety of activities on the site. 137 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: Over the years, quite a cast of characters has formed 138 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: around the hauntings at Hillview. Many of the spirits have 139 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: been given names and identities. The following few, while cited 140 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: on the Elwood City website, were not names that I 141 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: was able to connect with any records. But that doesn't 142 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: mean they're not accurate per se. I just can't confirm them. 143 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Just like some historical websites say that ten thousand people 144 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: pass at Hillview, a number I just can't see possible. 145 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: But again I can't necessarily disprove it. I guess what 146 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is always take reports and facts without 147 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: back up with a grain of salt, but don't always 148 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: assume they come from a place of malice. That being said, 149 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: let's meet some of these ghosts. One of the most 150 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: notable casualties in the history of the building is that 151 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: of Eli Sorry. Eli was a middle aged man who 152 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: was a resident there during the building's early days as 153 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: a poor farm and halfway house. Eli was a recovering alcoholic, 154 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: which the building commonly hosted. However, alcohol was forbidden in 155 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: the building due to the strict no alcohol policy. He 156 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: decided to get his fixed by leaving the building in 157 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: order to go drinking. Eli was found by some of 158 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: the other residents the next morning laying outside of the 159 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: front doors, passed out drunk, who then decided to carry 160 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: him in and leave him in the boiler room to 161 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: warm and sober up. Unfortunately, Eli never sobered up. He 162 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: passed away in his slumber, likely from alcohol poisoning, and 163 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: now his restless spirit is said to haunt the boiler 164 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: room area. The ghost of Eli supposedly enjoys taunting women. 165 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: There are several reports of women saying they were touch, grabbed, 166 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: and pinched by who they believe is Eli. Many residents 167 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: of the Manners spent nearly their whole lives there, and 168 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: many did not have any family. Mary Virginia, a cerebral 169 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: palsy patient and resident of the home, was one of 170 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: these residents. She spent most of her time playing dress 171 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: up and listening to music, and her room is still 172 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: set up similarly to how she had it when she 173 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: was a resident of the manner, complete with toys, dolls, 174 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: makeup costumes, jewelry, and a music player. Many of the rooms, 175 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: and specifically the basement, are filled with personal belongings to 176 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: many of the past on residents. According to paranormal reports, 177 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: Mary's ghost is friendly and responds well to her trigger 178 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: objects her former belongings, showing her presence by swinging the 179 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: necklaces that hang above her bed, moving her dolls, and 180 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: faintly playing her favorite music tunes into investigators recording devices. 181 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: Again that's direct from the Elwood City website. Another favorite 182 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: spirit among ghost hunters is a child spirit supposedly named Jeffrey. 183 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: Jeffrey is supposedly a nine year old boy who lived 184 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: in the manner with his eleven year old brother, and 185 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: according to investigators, his eleven year old brother was adopted 186 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: while Jeffrey was not. They did not know Jeffrey's name 187 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: until he said it in one of their digital recorders. 188 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: There is no record of the exact room Jeffrey lived in. However, 189 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: there are child toys scattered throughout one of the second 190 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: floor rooms for his spirit to interact with. George, a 191 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: spirit that lives in the basement, is said to be 192 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: a former maintenance man. He has also said to be 193 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, and he has reported to be 194 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: very distasteful to the idea of visitors rooting for other teams. 195 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: People have claimed to be smacked in the back of 196 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: the head for mentioning another team. Sounds like a lot 197 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: of New England or sports fans I know. Philly ghost 198 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: dot com also has some reports listed on their website. 199 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Two brothers reportedly visited Hellview because their grandmother used to 200 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: live there. An e V P was captured with a 201 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: woman using a family nickname that no one else would 202 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: have known. Another relative stated that her grandmother used to 203 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: play the piano every day at the facility. Now a 204 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: spirit can be heard tickling the ivories late into the evening. 205 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 1: One woman who worked as a nurse had numerous experiences 206 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: while working. On one occasion, while walking from the east 207 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: wing to the west wing. She claimed a very cold 208 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: and cloudy form passed through her. It did not frighten her, 209 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: only gave her an incredible chill. On other occasions, when 210 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: on the second floor near the break room, it would 211 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: not be uncommon for her to see what appeared to 212 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: be someone walking down the hall, but upon checking things out, 213 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: nobody was ever there. So to get to the bottom 214 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: of these reports and hear about them firsthand. Up next, 215 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: we're going to be chatting with Melissa Keen. She is 216 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: a tour guide at Hillview and she has been investigating 217 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: this site for over a decade. That is coming up 218 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: after the break So I am sitting here with Melissa Keene, 219 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: who is one of the tour guides at hell View Manner. 220 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: So welcome Melissa. Thank you Amy, it's a pleasure to 221 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, thanks for taking the time. Now, how 222 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: did you get involved with hell View? How long have 223 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: you been there? Tell us all the lowdown. Well, I've 224 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: actually been investigating actively for about eleven years, and my 225 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: very first investigation was at hell View Mannor. I just 226 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: instantly fell in love with the place and went back 227 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: as often as I could, And then about three years ago, 228 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: a friend of mine called me and he said, Hey, 229 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: the owner is having an informational meeting. She wants to 230 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: hire a bunch of new employees. Are you interested? I said, 231 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: of course I'm interested, and came to the meeting and 232 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: here we are three years later, and it's just it's 233 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: the best job in the world. That's amazing. So tell 234 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: me what is hill Views kind of? Um, what is 235 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: their mission at the moment? What is there kind of 236 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: what's the idea for the building right now? We're trying 237 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: to preserve the history and preserve the building itself as 238 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: much as we can. Um. It's a very large building. 239 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: Its eight square feet and you know it, there's a 240 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: lot of upkeep for a building that isn't used on 241 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: a day to day basis. And you know, we have 242 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: problems with the route, from problems without everything, every problem 243 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: you can imagine with a building that large. Oh yeah, 244 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: and we're just trying to, you know, preserve it and 245 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: preserve all the history that came with it. And well, 246 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's a noble cause, I will say it. 247 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that people realize how quickly these buildings 248 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: kind of start to deteriorate once they are empty. It's 249 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: really weird to think about how it just takes humans 250 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: being inside on a regular basis to kind of keep 251 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: a building together. But once a structure stops being regularly 252 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: climate controlled and maintained, it starts to fall apart pretty quickly, exactly. 253 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: I never realized that. And the facility closed, I'm sure, 254 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: as you mentioned in two thousand four, so it really 255 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: hasn't been that long, but it's been enough to really 256 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: have some damage in the building that we're trying very 257 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: hard to get repaired. I'm trying to think back. So 258 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: I was there with ghost hunters investigating, and admittedly, at 259 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: this point in my life, I have been in so 260 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: many old, abandoned type hospital buildings that they just run together. Well, 261 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: I said, I'll be visiting a location like, Okay, this 262 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: hallway looks frighteningly familiar. The structures starts to look the same, 263 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: So I understand they do. But I don't think we 264 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: were there very long after it closed. It had to 265 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: been five or six years. I do remember it being 266 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: one of the first investigations. We attempted to bring a 267 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: dog along with us. That's really what stands out to me. 268 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: But I do remember it being very active. So you 269 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: said that was your first place that you investigated, So 270 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: that could have gone two ways. That could have been like, Wow, 271 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: this is the scariest thing has ever happened to me. 272 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: I'm never doing this again too. I guess, Wow, this 273 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: was scary and cool and now I'm just going to 274 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: do this for eleven more years. So what happened that 275 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: first time you were there that made you want to stay, Well, 276 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: it was pretty much NonStop activity. When we were just 277 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: leaving the foyer for the tour, we're saying now it's 278 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: still day. When the tour was starting and I turned 279 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: around because I heard footsteps coming up behind me. It's 280 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: sounded like a woman's high heels clicking. And I turned 281 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: around and the hallway was completely empty, and I looked 282 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: over at my friend with these big eyes and he 283 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: just nodded, went yep. I many times. So it was 284 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: right out of the gate. Then when we were on 285 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: the third floor, I had a shadow figure like manifest 286 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: in front of me. I was just happen to be 287 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: standing there taking pictures at the nursing station. It was 288 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, doing the three pictures and turning 289 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: a little bit and I literally watched the shadow like 290 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: form up in front of me and then dart out 291 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: to the left and was gone. I was like, okay, 292 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: so that's interesting, and that's actually like a perfect example. 293 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: So I used to be really big on taking photos 294 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: and like you did, taking you know, three in a row. 295 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: I always tell told people to take three in a 296 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: row so that if there was something anomalous, you could 297 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of say it in each photo and see where 298 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: it comes from or if it moves or that kind 299 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: of thing. Now I'm not really big on spirit photograph. 300 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a whole other program. But one of 301 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: the reasons I tell people to kind of shy away 302 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: from taking tons of photos is that you might miss 303 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: something walking right in front of you. And so you 304 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: were exactly so you were really lucky. Yeah, I was 305 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: very lucky, I said, not, I'm very much like you. 306 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: I've moved away. I'll take some photos, but I'm much 307 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: more I've moved away from taking as many photos when 308 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm investigating. Yeah, I mean, obviously flashes it kind of 309 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: messes up with your night vision. Two if you're investigating 310 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: in the dark, you know. Also, so now I've just 311 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: gotten to the point where so many photos are explainable 312 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: that I want something else, you know, But that's still 313 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: that's very very cool. I've heard so many stories come 314 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: out of there that doesn't surprise me at all now 315 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: I've heard and just kind of going through the history 316 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: and going through a lot of the reports, it sounds 317 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of the spirits there have been given 318 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: names over the years. Is that still the case? It 319 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: sounds like there's a lot of you know, different names 320 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: and identities. I read about a spirit that doesn't like 321 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: to talk about football, or he's a big Steelers fan 322 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: or something that is George he is a big Steelers fans, 323 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: So I mean makes sense, you know, geographically speaking, it 324 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: very much is. And it's funny because he mainly likes 325 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: the I hate see the old school Steelers, but the 326 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, the Jack Lambert at the Jack cam days. 327 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: And we can occasionally even get him talking about hockey, 328 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: but like all the rest of us long suffering Pirates fans, 329 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: if you bring them up, he's just like, yeah, no, 330 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. So, you know, isn't that 331 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: so funny though? That he will go into a location 332 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: and they start trying to talk to these spirits we start. 333 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's our inclination to just start asking 334 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: the very hard hitting questions like you know, do you 335 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: know you're dead? But if you come in and bring 336 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: up something that a lot of people like to talk about, 337 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: like sports, like that is a really good way to 338 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: get a response. And so I think that's so cool 339 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: that that's working for you. Guys. Yeah, we've discovered it 340 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: help you that if you're much more conversational, you get 341 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: a lot better responses. I sometimes feel like, you know, 342 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: people come in, like you said, and they asked the 343 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: same questions. The spirits are like rolling their eyes, like 344 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: are we doing this interrogation again? Right? But we've discovered again, 345 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: if you're much more conversational and almost try and let 346 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: them lead the conversation if you know what I'm talking 347 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: about and see where it goes, that makes sense. And now, 348 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: so the spirits that you're encountering, what do you think 349 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: their mindset is? For the most part, you know often 350 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: wonder that ourselves. The question we keep asking and we've 351 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: never gotten an answer, is what does the building look 352 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: like right now? Like we're trying to figure out do 353 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: they see it as it is now? Or do they 354 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: see it as it was then, like when they were here, 355 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: and we haven't got an answer. We're wondering if they 356 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: don't understand the question, because for them, their reality is 357 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: what they're seeing, So what do you mean what does 358 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: it look like? And we don't know how to phrase that, 359 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: Like we've tried a bunch of different ways, and so 360 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: we don't know whether it's just they don't understand or 361 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: they just aren't going to answer us, right. I mean, 362 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: it's a very compelling question and we've actually asked that 363 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: before too. It kind of raises the idea to like 364 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: why do you go disappear wearing clothes? It's got to 365 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: be some sort of kind of interpretation of themselves. And 366 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: I mean that's just my theory. I don't claim to 367 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: know any of this. With that, yeah, and it makes 368 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: you wonder are they projecting a reality or is there 369 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: some sort of reality aided in their existence that mirrors 370 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: what was there when they were alive. It reminds me 371 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: years ago when we were doing Ghost Hunters at the 372 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: Mount Washington Hotel and Jane Grant, they were in the 373 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: Princess room and they asked her, Princess, are you here? 374 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: And she was like, of course I'm here, where are you? 375 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: And so it's like that might be it the like 376 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: why are they asking these ridiculous questions? Right exactly, you're 377 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, great, the spirits think that I'm stupid, 378 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: just move on, right, Yeah, I mean, who knows. I 379 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: kind of feel like what I like about what I'm 380 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: seeing with hill View right now, just kind of going 381 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: through the history and stuff, is that you guys are 382 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: really moving away from like this is a really scary 383 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: asylum type thing. It seems like they're really trying to 384 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: put a positive spin on the location because really what 385 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: it used to be with that is that the case? Yeah, 386 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: it really is, because we think again, I don't know 387 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: whether it was still at the name out or they 388 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: just honestly thought that. I honestly don't know. I know 389 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: a lot of our spirits got a really add rap. 390 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: The one I always think of was Eli. Oh he 391 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: was this violent drunk and this that the other thing. 392 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: And we have never come across Eli being violent at all. 393 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: But we've also really like sat down and talked to him, 394 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: Like I said, I had these conversational moments with him, 395 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: and he's actually a pretty fun guy. You know, this 396 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: was in nursing home for the majority of its life, 397 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: or a poor farm. This wasn't a prison, this wasn't 398 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: an insane asylum. Did they take in mentally patients, Yes, 399 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: they did. But we actually got lucky enough last year 400 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: and the year before we had a whole group of 401 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 1: previous staff members visit us, and oh, we followed them 402 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: around that building. I felt like the paparazzi filming them 403 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: and taking their pictures. And it was great for us 404 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: because they worked there in seventies, eighties, nineties. There was 405 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: one woman there her great grandmother worked there in the forties. 406 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: We had everything covered and you could see how much 407 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: they loved the facility, and every one of them said 408 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: that that was their favorite place that they worked in 409 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: their entire careers. Well, that's a really great frame of 410 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: reference too. I think it's really easy to go into 411 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: these kind of older buildings and get scared and get spooky. 412 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: And we can thank horror movies for that. We can 413 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: thank you know, shows like I was on Ghost Hunters 414 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: for that. When we were on it was all about scary, 415 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: being scary, and I do love kind of seeing this 416 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: evolution of you know, let's take a step back and 417 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: just imagine for a moment what this actually was, and 418 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: then treat the spirits accordingly. And I bet the staff 419 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: being there that was probably did that do anything to 420 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: the activity levels in the place. It did. The whole 421 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: time we were in there, it like the building felt happy, 422 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. It was just this 423 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: wonderful feeling. And then for the next couple of days, 424 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: the activity was through the roof and it was all 425 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: this like super positive, like uplifting communication on stuff. It 426 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: was like they were really really happy. Yeah, I bet 427 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: they recognized some of them, or at least their energy 428 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: or their voices. Absolutely absolutely. And then it was because 429 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, they're walking us through, they're telling us stories 430 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: that we'd never heard. They were verifying stories that we 431 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: had heard. You know, it was just oh, yeah, I 432 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: remember this guy who was in this room. Like I said, 433 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: I think I wrote a notebook full of notes. It 434 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: was just an amazing experience. Well, that's gonna be really 435 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: good to have to for future investigations. And now you've 436 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: got names you can bring up to. I always feel 437 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: like names are a really powerful thing to have in 438 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: your arsenal when you're investigating because like that's a triggering 439 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: thing that like, oh, we have someone in common. Do 440 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: you know this person? Like, let's talk about it now. 441 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: That aside, though, I am curious to know, Like, have 442 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: you ever at any point been scared in the building 443 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: or been frightened or freaked out? Yeah, it has happened 444 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: once or twice. Yes, we know that something had been 445 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: opened up, whether it was a portal or a doorway 446 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: or whatever opened up. And we've been having some problems 447 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: with it from time to time. We try and bring 448 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: people in who can maybe help address it. But you know, unfortunately, 449 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: I guess there's no way to shut it down. I'm 450 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: in no way an expert, and I could be completely 451 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: incorrect on this. We have had some problems and what 452 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: we call Amanda stairwell. That's the stairwell that goes down 453 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: into the basement. When we go around the lock up 454 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: at night, you just step in there. Half the time, 455 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't even turn the light on right there, there's 456 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: enough ambient light from the hallway. And the one night 457 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: I stepped in there to lock it up and I 458 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: heard something and looked over in the corner and I 459 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: could see a dark figure in the corner hissing at me, 460 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: and I was just like, okay, you can take yourself 461 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: right back down to the basement. I'm just locking the 462 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: doors and I I finished locking and I got myself 463 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: out of there. Yeah, I mean, but she came back 464 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: to work after that. I did. I'm not gonna let 465 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: them scare me out. And we do have something that's 466 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: been less than friendly keeping around on the second floor. 467 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: It's been coming in and out of Jeffrey's room. Jeffrey 468 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: is the little nine year old boy. We had been 469 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: discovering that Jeffrey either wasn't in his room or was 470 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: being essentially bullied into not talking. And we figured out 471 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: whatever this say is. It's squatting in there, and it 472 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: won't really tell us its name, but it has come 473 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: down the hall at us a couple of times, and 474 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: you'll look up into the window in that hallway and 475 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: you'll see red eyes looking back at you for split second, 476 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: like we've even sent somebody up all right, who's up 477 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: there with a laser grid or who's up there messing 478 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: around and there's nobody in the hallway. It sounds like 479 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: a job for Kindred Spirits. It does, It absolutely does. 480 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: We need to get in there, that's right, because you know, 481 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: we don't want it out there, bullying our bullying, our 482 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: spirits and you know, and necessarily scaring people off. It 483 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: doesn't show up very often, but when it does, it 484 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty aggressive. I mean, it hasn't touched anybody, 485 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't harmed anybody, but you know the feeling when 486 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: something unfriendly is blaring at you. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean 487 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: I think sometimes in these places that either have a 488 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: lot of energy or spirits in them or have people 489 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: investigating frequently, you know, sometimes other energies or other entities 490 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: come in. They can tell like oh wait, they can 491 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: see and hear them over there, you know, or things 492 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: kind of form from that energy. It's really strange. Just 493 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: the last few years, I've really started putting more stock 494 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: in the idea of like our intentions and what we 495 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: can do to a space. And so who knows, but that, 496 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds very interesting for sure. Yeah. No, 497 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: And that's that's funny. We were discussing that too. Is 498 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: is that something that happened here? You said, from all 499 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: of the urban legends or the history, and you know, 500 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: we've heard a lot of them about things that went 501 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: on there that we can't prove or disprove, and we've 502 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: often wondered if that wasn't the ill intentions taking form, right, 503 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: it's not even just ill intentions. I think sometimes people 504 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: come in and when we have public investigations, which I 505 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: do a lot I do. I take a lot of 506 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: groups into places. I know how I felt when I 507 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: first started investigating, and how kind of like nervous. I 508 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: was not really even nervous. I was just like a 509 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: ball of like I don't know what's about to happen. 510 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: It was this mixture of like anxiety and excitement and fear. 511 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: And I always think, like, what is happening if we 512 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: just keep bringing that vibe into a place over and 513 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: over and over again, Like what happens to that space? 514 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: I talked about this in my book a little bit 515 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: about how if you think you can infuse your home 516 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: with positivity and you can have a vision board and 517 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: you can make changes that way, then you believe in 518 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: energy manipulating your area and your your life. So we 519 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I think that has a lot of other applications and 520 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: other scenarios like this one or many other haunted places 521 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: I've been in. But that's getting a little deep and 522 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: it does go that's actually really excellent, and I'm gonna 523 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: be giving that a lot of thought. I can tell yourself. 524 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Let's let kindred spirits get there though and figure it out. Absolutely, absolutely, 525 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: we'll get you guys there. Yeah, it's time for a revisit. Now, 526 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: are there any particular spirits that are your favorite? Are 527 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: there any areas that you that you're fond of? The 528 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: most on the third floor, Actually it was. It's funny, 529 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: but you know, during the early days of the pandemic, 530 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: when everything is shut down and all the businesses had 531 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: to be closed, we still went up a couple of 532 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: times of week a check the building. We did live streams, 533 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: keep the people engaged, let the spirits you know that 534 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: we had forgotten about them, things like that, And we 535 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: started going into random rooms. You know, the building this big. 536 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: We tend to stick to the hotspots, and we're like, 537 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, this building is so big, there's gotta be 538 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: stories in every room. So we just randomly picked rooms. Well, 539 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: we picked one up on the third floor that for 540 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: years the psychic had told us there were spirits of 541 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: children in there. Well there really shouldn't have been. So 542 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: we went in and really started investigating there and we 543 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: started talking to the spirit of a little girl named Ellie. 544 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: And Ellie has quickly become a favorite because of the 545 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: interaction with them. We did a bunch of research. I'm 546 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: sure either the local historical society is going to put 547 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: a plaque up with my name or get me banned. 548 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. When the facility first opened, they 549 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: took into merculous patients and if the families didn't have 550 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: anyone to take care of their children, they this particular 551 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: room is a dormitory, okay, which we never knew, so 552 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. And yeah, Ellie is just She's 553 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: this bundle of light energy. And it doesn't matter where 554 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm out in the building. If I'm walking down the 555 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: hallway on the first floor to lock up, and I 556 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: usually have something running and I'll hear hi Melissa. So yeah, 557 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: she's she's a favorite. She just brings all this positive energy. Yeah, 558 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: that's great. I love George. George is my buddy because 559 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, Steelers Penguins, what can we say? And and 560 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: probably on the second floor. My other favorite is Mary A. 561 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: L Oh. She was absolutely phenomenal. We've been lucky enough 562 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: to have like her family members and some of her 563 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: nurses come and visit us, and they said she had 564 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: the most wicked sense of humor and she still does. 565 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: Like you could go in there and have entire conversation, 566 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Go sit down, how's it going, Mary, and it'll be like, 567 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: oh God, you again. What I like about that is 568 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: that this Mary's family and the staff members are you know, 569 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: on board with the idea that her spirit might be there. 570 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Do they ever come in and like try to interact 571 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: with her or do you do you see a spike 572 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: in activity when they do that. Sometimes her niece has 573 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 1: come in a couple of times and there's definitely been 574 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 1: a spike in activity when when she's around. And like 575 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: I said, anytime former staff members come in, that night 576 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: is guaranteed to be much more active than a normal night. 577 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: It's always a thrill for us when we get family 578 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: members to come in and get more stories. And I'm 579 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: sure you've heard the stories Jimmy up on the third 580 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: floor and his roommate, Lester. We had all of Lester's 581 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: children visit us once and likes the activity that entire 582 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: weekend was through the roof. Usually Lester's the more quiet 583 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: of the two and it was all lester all the 584 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: time that weekend, which was phenomenal. Wow. May I always 585 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: wonder sometimes if that helps them realize too, like, you know, 586 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: whether they want to stick around. I I always talk 587 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: about how, you know, the whole idea of crossing over 588 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: to me, I used to subscribe to that idea, but 589 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't really as much anymore. But I do feel 590 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: like sometimes closure is a thing, and so sometimes bringing 591 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: family members in to talk to them or you know, 592 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: figuring out why they're hanging around. And so I could 593 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: totally see that, and I wonder if that would ever 594 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: kind of instigate them to go to wherever they're supposed 595 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: to go next. But I also feel like a lot 596 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: of the people that were at hell View, especially back 597 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: when it was a poor farm, which I didn't really 598 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: realize until I started digging into the history, is that 599 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: the idea of that was like there were people and 600 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: this still happens today of course, where everyone they knew 601 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: dies or you know, they are left alone and they 602 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: don't have money and they need somewhere to go. And 603 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: so I wonder sometimes because this is what gave them comfort, 604 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: or this is what was home to them, and they 605 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: and in life they had nowhere else that they're afraid 606 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: to go anywhere else, right now. That's I had never 607 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: even heard of a poor farm until I started investigating 608 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: at hell View, and then I did very much the 609 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: same thing, dug into the history of poor farms in 610 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: general into hell View. And yeah, I mean with a 611 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: lot of our spirits, that was the only home they 612 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: ever knew Mary Virginia when Spirit lived there her entire 613 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: life until the facility closed. Jimmy came there in nineteen 614 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: fifty eight and lived there until the facility closed in 615 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: two thousand four. So you know, for a lot of them, 616 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: this may have been the only home they ever knew. Well, 617 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: that certainly puts some things in perspective. So now have 618 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: you guys opened back up now for like public tours 619 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: and things and investigations. Oh? Absolutely So if people want 620 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: to do that, where do they go? While we have 621 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: a Facebook page and it's Haunted Hillview, or we have 622 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: a website and it's www dot Haunted Hillview Manner dot com. 623 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: That's great, and so they you guys are doing actual 624 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: like investigations and do do daytime tours as well? We 625 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: do we do now we are that's grist for the season, 626 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: because you know, the ambient air temperature right now is 627 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: four degrees which means it's about eighteen degrees in our building. 628 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: Whatever the temperature is outside, that's what it is inside. 629 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: We do reopen the second weekend of March, so that's perfect. 630 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: That gives people time to plan. I mean, right now 631 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: it is January, but who knows. Whenever you're listening, just 632 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: know they're closed. So more. Yeah, we do day tours, 633 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: we do public investigations, private investigations. We have a whole 634 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: bunch of really exciting events coming up this year, so 635 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a great year. Well that's awesome, 636 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: So I encourage everyone to check out hell View. I 637 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: definitely plan on getting back. I'm gonna pitch it like 638 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: crazy for our next season, and so hopefully we can 639 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: meet in person at some point Melissa. That would be 640 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: fantastic gaming. I would absolutely love that, and I'd love 641 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: to show you guys around hill View again. Great, well, 642 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate all your insight. Absolutely, 643 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me on the show 644 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: and for talking about hell View. We really appreciate it. 645 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: I have to note that as I did research on 646 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: Hill of View. I obviously found a number of obituaries 647 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: showing it as the place of death for so many, 648 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: but without numbered those newspaper articles were highlights of positive 649 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: happenings there, forage clubs holding cooking classes, youth groups, entertaining 650 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: patients with Christmas Carol's dance troops, giving patients free lessons, 651 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: craft and knitting circles, you name it. And though today 652 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: the building no longer serves its original function as a 653 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: care home, it now has a larger purpose as a 654 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: functioning community center. A documentary film profile from the Westminster 655 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: College News talks about how the space is utilized for 656 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: high school dances, for Halloween programming for kids, and for 657 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: facilitating community events and collaboration with the town police department. 658 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: So while notorious and somewhat ironically known for death in 659 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: many ways, Hill View Manner is still very much alive 660 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: and well. I'm Amy Bruney and this was haunted road. 661 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: If you want to join us on a spooky vacation, 662 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: please check out my company, Strange Escapes at Strange dash 663 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: escapes dot com. Also, new episodes of Kindred Spirits are 664 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: currently airing on Travel Channel on Saturday nights at ten 665 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: ninth Central or streaming on Discovery Plus. Haunted Road is 666 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild 667 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted by 668 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and 669 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. 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