WEBVTT - Signature w/ Erika Christensen 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.640 Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.159 I'm Kara Klang. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.120 Hi, I'm Lisa Trigger and this is a sv podcast. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.520 We talk about an episode of SVU, the true crime 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.960 it's based on. We talked to someone from the episode 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.880 today is a monumental moment in my life. So stay 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:53.080 tuned for everything. Great episodes. Yeah, whatever, let's talk Cara, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.640 what's up? Even though I was in Chicago last week, 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.520 I never I didn't. I didn't get to talk about that. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.560 Though I'm a white Sox fan. I went to a 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.160 Cubs game. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.600 Oh. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.399 I had the time of my life. I've never sat 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.880 this close to athletes before. We were second row behind 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.800 the Cubs dugout. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.520 How'd you get these tickets? 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.360 I opened for my friend Jared, and he's treating me 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.319 like a queen. He's buying tickets. We went to the 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.560 Soho cool. He's taking me out for drinks and dinners. 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.120 It's you know, it's great. I don't even have to 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.760 put out. I just well because for my life, you know, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.839 for doing stand up. I mean it's been like twelve years. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.360 I do go on the tour on tour by myself, 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.720 and it has been an ego. I don't know, it's 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.960 been wild to like host for someone because I do 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.760 have to do announcements at the end of the show, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.800 and it's truly humiliating. And my friend was like taunting 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.920 me and texting me being like, keep at it, you 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.200 don't quit. It seems like you got talent. Don't forget 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.840 to mention the comment cards so legit. After like decades 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.240 I've headlined this, but at the end of the show, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.040 I have to be like, exit through the side door, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.120 please wait for your server. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.919 And it is hard. No matter how. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.760 Confident and chill you are in who you are as 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.800 a performer. There is a moment where I'm like, oh 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.760 my god, this is humiliating. But then I'm in the 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.040 so hoo cool drinking opinion Colada and I go, yeah, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.320 it's worth the announcements. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.080 I'll say whatever you want me to fucking say. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.320 Yeah, Like it's worth the announcements. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.359 I'm totally fine with it. Let's go to the beach. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.520 So I think he feels guilty. And so we got 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.960 to sit behind the dugout and he looked at me. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:33.639 He goes, I've never seen you more in your element. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.560 I didn't realize this is where you belong at a 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.320 baseball game. I go, I know this is where I shine. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.760 I wow, Oh, it. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.680 Was so cool to see them so close. I love 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.080 baseball bodies. I think they're the hottest of all the 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.119 sports bodies. I loved seeing them so close hit the ball. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.880 I mean, I loved the singing. I loved it was honestly, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.680 like so fun. It was so fun. We're and but 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.120 we're going to go to another We're gonna go to 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.239 the cub Socks game on Sunday too. You know I 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.200 said I was in Chicago. I'm just trying to protect 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.720 I don't know what you guys. You know, we're we're 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.880 we're recording. I'm in Chicago right now, but I'm pretending us. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.400 I listened to another podcast where they used to talk 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.440 about being in the time machine. They'd be like, Okay, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.720 we're in the time machine right now because we are listen. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.760 We're not gonna lie like we recorded this a little 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.520 bit earlier. We've got a lot of things going on 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.440 in our lives, so this is not we're not recording 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:23.880 this like the day of that. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.040 It's coming to your ears. 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.240 So Lisa is going to another baseball game, and it 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.200 sounds like it's gonna be awesome. I love baseball games. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.440 I was thinking about what you said about baseball players 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.040 having the best bodies. Tell me what my favorite bodies 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.640 right in your in your opinion? Yeah, I like like 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.600 a thick like thick, thought like thick, maybe thick like 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:44.800 in shape, but thick. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.600 Yeah. Interesting. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.400 Interesting, I was because I always think of baseball guys 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:51.880 as having like a gut for some reason. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.400 But that's probably my stereotype. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.480 Well they get older, yeah, but yeah, I guess I'm 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.960 thinking of like Babe Ruth. I don't know, but I 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.160 like I was gonna say, and I don't even go 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.840 to these kind of games, but I like soccer players bodies. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.280 I think they've got like they always have, like abs 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.880 and like good little butts and then big ass calves 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.160 and shit from kicking that ball around. Yeah, No, soccer's 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.520 are not for I love the baseball I love the 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.280 kind of laziness to it too, where it's like I'm 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.560 gonna stand in this field and I'll hit two balls. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:24.800 Yeah, Like I like that. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.240 I also like baseball because I feel and you'll probably 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.000 tell me, fuck you, I hate this, you do this, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.599 But I like that. When I go to a baseball game, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.280 I never sit in good seats like what you were at. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.159 I'm always like nosebleed. The players look like ants to me. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.640 I could just kind of talk and then when there's 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.120 a big when there's a big hit, I can go ooh, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.720 you know, but like most of the time, I can 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.799 just chat with my friends and drink beer and have fun. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.800 No, And I told Jerry, I was like, hey, I'm 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.440 we're going to talk, but if you want to like 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.039 focus and you want me to stop talking. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:52.200 Let me know. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.320 And he goes, no, that's the whole point of being 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.359 out a baseball Yeah, okay, good. I thought you were 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:55.719 going to do. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.520 Like I don't talk at sports games because obviously at 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.839 like tennis you don't talk or like, you know, there's 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.880 certain things you don't talk, but baseball. But one time 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:05.920 I was at a baseball game with someone I didn't 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.480 really want to be with, and I did turn to 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:07.960 him and go. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.599 You need to stop talking. I'm going to focus on 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:15.440 the game. But you know, it happens. But no, he 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.919 called it was like an outdoor picnic whatever. It was 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.320 just like a fantastic day. And like one of them, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.520 like I talked to all the beer guys, like you 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.760 forget Chicago is nice, Like people are really nice. So 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.400 like Dorothy, like one of the workers was like, did 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.800 you bring sunblock? The seats get really hot here I go. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.560 You know what, Dorothy, I did bring some bo Thank 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.600 you so much, and she goes, don't bother the players. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.880 Maybe they'll wave at you, but like, you know, let 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.320 them concentrate. And I'm like, I'm just here to look. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.000 I don't need to bother them. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:44.440 I love the beer. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.800 I mean my ex boyfriend played like baseball in college. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:47.159 I don't know. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.039 It is something that it brings fun out of me. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:51.680 Oh wow, no, I do. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.720 I do love watching baseball game and I would I 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.440 really would love when you come back, let's go to 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:56.160 a Dodgers game. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.960 Oh absolutely, yeah, I've gone everywhere. I don't I just 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.960 love being in the sun. But so we're hanging out 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.480 at one of my favorite bars in Chicago, Old Town Alehouse. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.480 Have you been with the. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.360 Paintings across right by the condo. Yes, yeah, well you 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.880 don't have to tell everyone. I'm sorry, Gone, it's fine. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.080 Everybody will find Lisa are threatening? Are threatening listeners that 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.200 are coming to kill you? 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:21.320 No, everyone's really shy. 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.080 Like someone will come to me after soul cycle and 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.480 be like I listened to the pot and then I'm 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.080 like down to talk and they run away from me 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:26.520 and I'm. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.400 Like all right, like a peace. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.159 But I my god, there was the most annoying dumb 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.919 bitch at the bar yesterday and I hate her so much, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.160 and she was the most annoying person that I've ever 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:42.480 and I want to talk shit about her. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:43.719 Oh I had. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.040 I was at a wedding while I was gone on 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.200 my longer trip yes where I was with a person 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.600 that I've hated for a decade plus. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.320 And you didn't tell me what happened at the wedding. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.640 She just I just fucking can't stand her, and I 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.320 just don't, I like immediately immediately, like there was a 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.080 break in between the wedding and the reception, right, So 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.719 all of us are like, let's go back to the hotel, 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.880 and she's like, let's go to a different hotel, and 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.280 I'm like, stop, everybody's already going to this one hotel. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.040 Why are you trying to move the whole freaking plan? 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.040 Like she's so annoying. And then she can tell I 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.000 don't like her. So when she got really drunk, she 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.720 started kissing my ass, and I just. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.720 I just don't like her. Do I know who this is? 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.680 You, by extension, will know who this is. I'll tell 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:30.240 you who it is. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.280 Okay, fantastic. Yeah, I didn't hear about that one. But 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.560 the wedding looks beautiful. Oh, the wedding was beautiful. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.320 Yeah, yeah, it was beautiful, and I wanted to tell 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.760 you that. On my flight home, I watched Crazy Not Insane, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.240 that documentary that you talked about that's on HBO Max 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.800 I think or a regular HBO two, and I loved it. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.440 I was like I was wrapped. I had a baby 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.520 attached to me, like praying he didn't wake up. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.880 I had like one headphone in just like, you know, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:03.000 listening to this lady talk about fucking killers and it 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.000 was I didn't realize it was so much about multiple 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.640 personality disorder. It was so interesting. Anyway, people should watch that. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:10.400 It's really good. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.200 Yeah, she's here because we talk about doctor Michael Badens 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.200 so much, and you know, this girl, this woman gets 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.119 no attention. I've never heard of this sociologist before this video, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.720 and it seems like, you know, I always love when 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.400 people are like a laughing stock. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:24.600 And then they're right, you know, like the yeah, the 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.360 leo like. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.840 Actually we're rotating the song or you know the song 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.160 I actually don't even remember. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.600 I don't remember who wrote because of an Indigo Girls 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:34.720 song that explains it to me. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.840 But it is wild science. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.600 It's like everyone's like, fuck, you drink this poison. And 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.120 then it's like, I guess they're right. Yeah, but it 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.160 also like highlighted to me how like every single abuse 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.280 or every single serial killer, like they've all been so 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.120 horribly abused also. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:52.520 In their past. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.480 Pretty much like when she said evil is a religious 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.320 idea that was that really stuck with me. She was like, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.040 evil is a religious concept, like these are people that 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.480 are like wired wrong or something is up. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:08.400 You know, evil is a religious concept that is very interesting. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.400 Like I think what her point was, there's not a 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.680 lot of people that are just upborn evil. I'm sure 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.960 it's it's possible, but like it's mostly you've been horribly 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.239 you've been exposed to horrible images, you've been horribly abused. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.400 Like whatever, did you ever watch Freaks and Geeks? No, 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.920 that's a blind spot for me. Everybody's like, you know 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.840 so and so from Freaks and Geeks, and I'm just like. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.240 It's it's only one season. Watch it. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.000 But there's a moment where the nerd, one of the 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.000 nerd boys, finally gets to go on a date with 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.680 this girl he's had a crush on for a while, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.360 and then mid date he figures out she hates like 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.400 homeless people and poor people and is a full un 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.079 Republican And it's this weird moment. And I had that recently, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.480 not with the dumb bitch at the bar, but I 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.640 was like talking to someone and then all of a sudden, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.440 they like hate homeless people, and I was like, oh, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.200 you don't feel ashamed to say this out loud. 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.680 And then like when I when you figured out my 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.240 point of view, it was like, well, you know, you 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.559 just can't talk about this stuff. There's no to win, 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.760 And I go, no, there's a way to win. Yeah, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.520 there's a way to not hate people that are living 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.920 in with nothing, Like yeah, I don't get that. But 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.160 he was like, well, some have problems, but some are 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.280 just on meth. And I'm like, so if it's a 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.080 veteran or someone those abused that then started doing myths, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.200 suddenly you don't have any care for them. I don't understand, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.000 and he goes, you know, it's just I don't think 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.800 we should be talking about this. I'm like, no, you 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.840 just you thought socially we were all going to be like, yeah, 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:26.360 fuck the. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.280 Tents, Yeah, and then I'll take a shot. Yeah. No, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:30.680 Like it was wow, No. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:36.280 But this girl, so she you know, when you're trying 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.439 to act too cool, but you're also trying to get 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.000 into our circle. So are you cooler than us or 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.560 are you desperate to hang with us? 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.920 Which one is it? Because you can't act too. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.960 Cool and then be in the corner being like so 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.000 and like jumping into the conversation. And this bitch from 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:57.680 Oklahoma started talking about how Chicago has no culture, and 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.360 I actually got up and I left. I go, I'm 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.840 done for the night, thank you. But that was the 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.800 final straw. And it's like, you come. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.960 To Chicago and you say Chicago has no culture just 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.800 because you don't like that it's just the most insane thing. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.240 House music. I mean, this city burnt to a crisp 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:13.679 and was. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.400 Built the fuck back up Michael Jordan, the bulls, food, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.680 the popatistics, canipop music, I mean, like it's insane. That's 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.880 a truly, truly unhinged comment to make it and thinking 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.760 she was like the Chicago Museum of Art whatever, that 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.480 museum is called the Art Institute, that is one of 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.080 the greatest places on this planet. As the fuck Like, 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.240 it was just how do you come to a city 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.760 that is like, I mean, everywhere has a culture, but 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.840 to be in this because she likes New York and 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.160 it's always like yeah, but it's different, and she goes 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.960 people aren't I'm like, what are you talking about? 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.559 There's are her our friend works at the Museum of 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:54.079 Contemporary Art doing amazing work there, Like I just couldn't 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.360 believe it. And then also she kept talking about the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:57.720 white like, oh, you guys went to the Cubs, gave 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.200 me should to a White Sox game. It's like I've 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.080 been arrested at a White Sox game and kicked out 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.640 of others. I've been going to White Sox games for 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.480 my whole fucking life. Like, don't fucking talk to me, Like, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.200 but I try to be chill. And I was like, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:09.800 I don't know. I had a great time with the 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.400 Cubs game. She goes, it's cause it's kitsch. I go, no, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.800 I had an amazing time. She goes, but it's just 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.640 the kitch factor. I go, are you trying to tell 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.240 me what I did at the Cubs game? I go, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.319 I had a fucking great time because I was sitting 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:21.760 close and it was a great game, and I'm a 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:22.520 social person. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.160 Why the fuck are you telling me what I like? 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:25.600 And why? 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.640 Like, I could not handle this girl. It was out 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.200 of control, the shit that was coming out of her mouth. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.560 I Oh, I've been like, but you know, my friend 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:36.800 had sex with her, But. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.240 What are you gonna do? 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.920 Like that always the way, That's always why we have 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.920 to deal We always have to deal with dumb bitches. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.840 Because they're having sex with our friends. I know. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.760 Wait, there was one other thing she said where I 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.000 was like, I what are you doing? 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.440 It was oh I said something. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:53.719 I was like, oh, yeah, that crowd didn't liken me 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.480 because of this or that, like and she goes, you 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.760 shouldn't be so self deprecating on yourself. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:58.280 I go, I'm not. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.240 It's just like a fact, like I think I'm great. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.480 I think I deserve to be a lot richer than 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.080 I am. You obviously don't know me. I'm very confident. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.680 I'm like, but you're allowed to say if something didn't 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.200 go well or like, you know, like I'm. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:17.760 A self laper. But she just was I just to sit. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.080 From Oklahoma and tell me that Chicago has no culture. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.000 And where do you think culture, bitch, where do you 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.440 think has culture? That's really nuts, because I also don't 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.679 want to shit on Oklahoma. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.079 I'm sure there's great things there. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.880 My friend, yeah, Marshabelski's from Oklahoma. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.240 But oh, let's be real. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.720 All right, we got to start because this is a 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.000 long one. But sometimes you guys are like, we love 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.640 a long. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.240 App so maybe this is it. Let's get going fine, 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.520 But there was another reason why I hated her. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:55.160 Oh all right, so we're doing one of the scariest 0:13:55.920 --> 0:14:01.480 and like I wouldn't whatever, it's season nine, episode twelve. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.000 I was gonna say it's the most movie like, like, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:05.600 I know you're not gonna want me to say this, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.160 but it's very Sunds of the Loombs. No I'm fine 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:09.960 with that. And it is. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.960 Yeah, there's just like a law it's but I wouldn't 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.439 say it's against SVU type. It's within the SVU universe. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.120 But there's something extra spicy about this one. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:20.480 Yes. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.440 It opens up in some woods. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.080 There's a park ranger type guy with his son, and 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.800 the sun is like, man, it smells bad. And the 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.960 dad's like, all right, you know, tough enough. It's just 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.080 a dead animal. So he goes to scoop up this 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.200 dead animal and goes, son, just hold this bag, and 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.040 the man he makes a mustache look good, and then 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.480 he happens upon what the smell is. And then the 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.560 boy starts running directly to it, and the dad is like, no, no. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.080 No, don't don't see it. And then there's dead bodies. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.440 He sees the body, he faints, and then the dead 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.600 body has a bullet wound straight in the middle of 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.000 the forehead. The crime scene tape goes up and we're 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.680 ready for an SVU episode, But then all of a sudden, 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.760 chess Lake is there, and then we have Marishka. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.520 So it's Marishka and Chester Lake. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.440 They're walking classic walk and Talk and Marishka's in her 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:12.200 growing pains Leo DiCaprio hair phase, and then all of 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.480 a sudden they zoom in on the maggots and it's like, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.240 thanks SVI, you I needed a zoom in maggots before 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.240 the credits that, like. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.040 They never do that. It was really, really, really awful, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:23.560 And maggots are gross. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.600 There is a maggot base forensic files, and so I 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.320 understand the importance of maggots for evidence taking in life 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:33.400 time of death, but I. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:34.160 Don't need a zoom in. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.120 Yeah, another reason why medical examiner is off the list 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.840 for me for careers. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.440 Yeah, I'm Melinda's, you know, scooping up these maggots. And 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.800 she tells Benson while dig in with these maggots, she says, 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.640 there's multiple ligature marks, bruising, electrical burns all over the 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.880 body on aerial and genitals, and she's been like turned 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.400 over after the death on the female. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:01.680 Yeah. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.160 And so then we get another CSU person, you know, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.400 Captain Judith, and it's wild to get both of them 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.800 together that you know doesn't happen very often. So then 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.760 someone asks the cause of death and the voice from 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.560 a distance narrowing in says dry drowning, which I didn't 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.640 even know that was a thing, and I wish it 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.440 wasn't to think or I wish I didn't know about it, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.840 but dry drowning and so we're like, who's this voice, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:27.520 what's happening? 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:28.840 What? Who else is there? 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.200 It's Erica Christiansen, who played a big part of my life. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.560 I don't know if that is something that is important 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.880 to You're looking at me, you have nothing, You're not even. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.960 Like, but no, I want to hear about I want 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.480 to hear about Erica Christiansen living in your life. I 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.400 just I don't know her in that much except for 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.440 like traffic and a couple of other things. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.400 Traffic was a big moment. But swim fan to me, yeah, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.680 still one of my faves. I love a stalker and 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.880 I was on the swim team. So to be a 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.760 swimmer and have suddenly a move movie about swimming was monumental. 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.000 It was like so huge and she played such a 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.919 fucking villain and was nuts, and Jesse Bradford was in 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.600 it from bringing On, so it was like Theseeen sensations 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.439 and it was like just such a huge moment. And 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.399 then I was a big Braverman fan. I love the 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.480 I loved parenthood on NBC. I watched Jason Katims. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.480 So young Erica Christensen and more adult Erica Christensen have 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.640 both been there for you at various points of your life. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.600 Yeah, she was a mom. She was like the tight end. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.520 I think she plays a tight ass a lot. And 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.720 I'm here there is a tight as bun on her head, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.440 so for sure, very tight, very tight bun. She's wearing 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.600 a baby blue dress shirt, which is a nightmare. I 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.520 can't think of a worse thing to like office attire 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.800 dress pants. I hope our thing of the past, like 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.600 professionalism and how we see it is just like why 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.080 did we let men come up with our work fashions? 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:53.479 It makes no sense? 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.359 Like what I just hate that that work fashion is 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.280 so disgusting. Actually talking to our friend and her friend 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.600 had to wear heels at work. It was like it 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.320 was in the role women had to. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.480 Wear heels at work. It's like it's just fresh. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.360 That's I actually read like a really cool quote recently 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.679 that I wrote down, and it's like success shouldn't be 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.120 measured by like love or money, but by time. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.000 Oh for creatives. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.119 It was a Jeffrey Saltz, what's the art critic for 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.120 the New York magazine. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.040 He had a quote about like to be how to 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:27.240 be a. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.560 Successful artist, and it's like work, work, work, do this, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.840 do that, And then one of it was like see 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.920 your success in terms of time, right, And I thought 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.080 that was like so perfect, Like that's that's the dream 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.440 of being a stand up or an artist is the time. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.560 It's not about money. It's like people hate their jobs. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.560 People hate Aaron's they have to do people like you know, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.560 like there everything is so scheduled, and especially if you 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.720 then have a family and it's all these things, and 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.280 it's like so cool to have time. Yeah, because I 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.720 always think about it because I think I'm very successful, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.400 but I don't have that much money. And then I'm like, oh, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.639 but I have more time than anyone I know. And 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.600 that is the best thing I could have hoped for myself. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.440 I don't have to wear express day pants. I don't 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.480 have to wear a suit coat, I don't have to 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.119 wear heels or little loafers. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.639 I don't express day pants. I don't have to do it. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.440 I mean having to buy dress pants to work. It 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.320 as like a p No. I had jobs like that 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.000 in New York and I hated it. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.359 Yeah, like, I don't understand why you can't be more 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.240 fashion forward in a job, but either way, it's just 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.320 a nightmare. And that quote, I just saw it this 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.560 week and it like really like I was like, oh, yeah, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.879 I have so much time on my hands, this is heaven. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.480 Well I also feel like, yeah, I feel like female 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.040 cops and female like FBI agents are going to be 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.280 like the last people to drop the dress shirts and 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.320 the gray slacks, Like they're going to be doing that 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:48.320 shit for a long time. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.160 I feel like because that's what Olivia wears. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.400 You know, Olivia rocks at the Olivia is fashion forward. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.120 She's going to Zara, She's going to Jakres. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.960 Yeah, and she's got like a little like ankle boot 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.400 and stuff like, yeah, she's with some skinny jeans. She's 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.040 doing You're right, she's doing different stuff. Yeah, we've got 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.000 some bad fashions from Olivia over the years too. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.640 Anyways, back to this crime scene. Sorry about my Jeffrey 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:12.359 Saltz quotes. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:13.040 I just. 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.120 So Erica Christensen type. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.480 But and Olivia goes, excuse me, you know, we don't 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.240 like new people. Olivia is not a I am. I 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.200 do think Olivia was like a mean girl. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:26.720 Jksh. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.600 I know she had a lot going on as a teen, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.040 but it's like she just hates any new woman that 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.919 ever shows up. But yes, she does, excuse me, and 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.399 then Erica explains the scoop. She goes, if this is 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.800 my guy, he puts a bag over their head and 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.480 pours a bucket buckets of water on it. I thought 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.880 that was waterboarding, but maybe dry drowning is waterboarding. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:46.679 I don't know it is. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.480 I think it's the same thing. I think it's just 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.359 that drowning is when that you kill them. Waterboarding is 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:52.879 just like a torture tactic, you know. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.440 Oh God, Melinda. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.840 Has two perfectly layered gold necklaces and she's just like, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.919 and you are like, who are you growing? I'd just 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.639 run onto a crime scene? And who is Erica Christiansen? 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.280 She is FBI agent Laura Cooper in the Behavioral Analysis unit. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:19.280 She hunts the woodsman that is her criminal and Benson goes, wait, 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.040 but I haven't filed the sixty one. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:22.399 How did you get here so fast? 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.920 Melinda explains that she puts something on the Emmy bulletin 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.119 because the condition of the remains made her want to 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.280 call the FEDS. I kept rewinding and watching this like 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.480 eight times to get exactly what she posted. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.439 It was too hard. This this is what I have. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.280 Well, it's interesting to know. I didn't know that there 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.399 was like a separate Emmy network, like where the you 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.159 know what I mean. We're like the medical examiners like 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.119 talk to each other, like has anyone else seen a 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:49.280 body in this condition? 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.000 You know? Yeah, you know. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.440 I'm sure the forensic people have like conferences like insurance agents. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.600 You know, they all meet up and do creepy things together. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.640 Yeah, I'm sure their parties are at like the freaky 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.320 museums with shrunk heads, you know, the Museum of Death. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.000 Yeah. Yeah. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.520 And I just want to point out that this is 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.240 FBI Agent Cooper and they just keep calling her agent Cooper. 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:12.360 And if you watch twin. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.320 Peaks, it's a little it's a little reminiscent because his 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.000 name is Agent Deal Cooper. And it's funny that they 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.399 just call him that because I think he's one of 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.200 the most famous television FBI agents. And they're both FI 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:23.480 they're both Agent Cooper. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.640 Go on, I wonder if that was on purpose. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.119 So then there's also a male victim, So we have 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.520 the female victim and the male victim just a bullet 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.040 wound in the head, and that's not really like typical 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.040 to have a male victim with this killer, so they're confused. 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.960 So what we have is a tortured, dry drown body 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.000 and then a shot in the head man body, and 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.720 the body is dead less than twelve hours. The FBI 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.119 girl Boss says, the male probably walked in on the 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.439 Woodsman at work and he had to kill him and 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.439 had no choice. And her badge is attached to her 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.800 really cool. It's like a sideways clip thing on her 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.040 suit coat and I do love that, and I've never 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:03.640 really seen a badge attached to like that. And then 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.800 she talks. There's an accent. What is the accent? 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.160 Where is she like? It's such a she talks in such. 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.760 A specific way, but I don't even know what the way. 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.640 That is interesting. I don't know if I caught the accent. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.600 But then so she says something like, you know, the 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.280 Woodsman thinks he's got and then they go to the credits. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:23.920 So we get back from the credits and we're at 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.440 the precinct and Benson lets Craigan know that there is 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.200 DNA at the crime So that's good. And then Finn 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.840 and Stabler are in Montreal on an extradition. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.320 Okay, sure, Like. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.760 It's usually there's four detectives in your unit, and like 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.240 you send half of them away for this one extradition. 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:45.480 But what do you think really was going on? 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.399 Do you think Elliott was like making a movie and 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.880 Finn had like some body count concerts or something. 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.280 Yeah, I wonder why they weren't there or they asked, 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.399 Like for them both to be gone is pretty peculiar. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.879 And maybe this is a Neil Bear question if he 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:04.520 because he would remain. Yeah, they took off because I 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.080 wonder if they both had whatever. So Agent Cooper is 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.280 giving a presentation to the SVU about the Woodsman. He's 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.440 a sexual sadis who keeps his victims alive after abduction 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.400 and then kills the body, then dumps it, then visits 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:22.760 and poses them. And he has twenty four victims. That 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.359 is so many. I actually right when I said that outloud, 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.199 I realized we're going to hear the true crime and 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:33.479 I got sad okay, So but great guest, Okay, So 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.720 he strangles and revives, that's the thing. He rapes with 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.560 foreign objects, burns Genitalia, and then the end is always 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:45.119 a dry drowning and the victims overlap because he likes 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.080 to have one victim listen as he tortures another victim. 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.440 This is the worst, it's the worst. 0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:55.800 So but what's even worse is that means he might 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:59.280 have another victim out there right now, so like, you 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.280 know this dropped, there is another one that was watching 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.600 this torture. So someone's out there and they have to 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.040 move fast, and Benson's match. He goes, why wouldn't you 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:08.919 tell me this sooner? 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:09.280 Hello? 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:12.840 And Erica's like, he's unpredictable, like sometimes he travels through 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.520 state lines, he hunts in city, dumpson country like I'm 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:16.560 doing the best I can. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:18.840 So Craigan reveals that. 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:20.840 The woodsy area we saw the bodies in is in 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.560 Central Park and it's not a highly populated area, so 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:24.879 he knows his way around the park. 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.560 So that is a clue. 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.440 So the reason the man up top of the episode 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.120 even went over to the area was because he got 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.199 an email about a dead dog. And Huang is like, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.919 but that's not part of his signature, because giving directions 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.080 to a body shows empathy or remorse, and this guy 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.719 does not have that for these victims. He thinks his 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.800 victims are garbage. He would not email. So we have 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.240 to find out who sent this email saying that there 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.760 was a dead dog to send someone to find these bodies. 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.680 And then the other man, the man body that was 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:00.040 found had a jogging suit on keys no idea, and 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.000 so they're trying to find out who he is. For 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.200 Jane do there are two possible matches, and Benson thinks 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.240 it's one of the matches named Bunny Jones, an exotic dancer, 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.680 and a guy named Lavender reported her missing two weeks ago. 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.640 So now Erica and Olivia, agent Cooper whatever, swim fan, 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.480 they go the girls. I'm gonna call him the girls. 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.000 They go visit Lavender at the strip club and he 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.479 is wearing lavender, and then he goes, it's love van dirt. 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.520 Do I look like a fucking flower to you? Which 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.919 I love because he is wearing lavender, So it's like, 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.040 you don't want to be called lavin love Van der. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.200 I mean, I'm naming my future dog that there's no 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:42.439 aner Lovander, but this is I mean, that's my new 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.240 drag name. Okay, but this is uh, I just this 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.679 is why we love SVU. It's such a you know, 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.320 a maggot up top and then a nice little gameplay 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:55.160 were at the in the middle. So they tell him 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.040 by Ony Jones is missing and he goes, no, she isn't. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:59.960 And a woman comes over who has like a poof 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.640 in the front, which really like puts this in the 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.399 season nine time frame. She's wearing a belly chain, and 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.359 so we find out she was just shacking up with 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:13.159 some loser guy and LeVander was worried for his strippers 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.560 and reported her missing but never said she returned, and 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.160 it pisses Erica Christiansen off and they kind of fight 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.000 a little bit, and it you know, like how dare 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.560 you waste precious time in this investigation there could be 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.919 a live victim. Go fuck yourself, And so Lavander to 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.880 apologize like, well, I can give you one on one 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.240 time with the bunny you know, was the stripper, and 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.680 Erica like there's karate moves whatever. 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.719 She brings him to his knees, there's yell whatever. 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.840 So then he says cops come in all the time 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.200 and he gives them lap dances like this is I'm 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.840 not I'm not trying to do anything this is what 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.680 usually happens, and that's the thing. 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.679 Like they're pissed because they're moral detectives. 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.760 But then every other cop comes and expects free dances, 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.440 And then I'm like, are they getting paid. 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:56.120 For these free dances? 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.480 You know, like if during waitressing, if a boss's friend 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.240 came in and the thing was comped, you would still 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.200 get tips or you get compensated. So I'm just wondering 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.240 what these strippers get for dancing for all these back Yeah. 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.960 That's a good question. Or if the cops tip even 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.320 or if they're actually the most. 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.680 Violent and the worst people on earth, I bet they 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:15.400 do not tip. 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.239 I'd be willing to wager. So I felt like I 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:19.040 was being confusing. 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.640 But basically, Erica puts Lavander in some kind of wrestling 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.359 choke cold. He goes, stop it, I'll give you a 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.280 sexy dance. She goes, we don't have time. We have 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.280 a live victim. So they walk into the strip club 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.600 and they get a page that the waitress isn't missing anymore. 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.240 So they go to Kate's house the waitress to talk 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.240 to the parents, and basically she was in a foraging 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.560 club in Central Park looking for edible plans, and the 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.960 dad didn't like the guy who ran the program and 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.000 said that he was pushy and kept asking her out 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.440 on dates and was like controlling. So they have to 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:52.040 go talk to the other Jane Doe, like possible, Jane 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.640 Doe's guy from this foraging club. 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.000 It's like, just join a softballed game. Okay. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.920 So this guy Vest, we'll call him Vest Boy. He's 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.520 wearing three layers. Once I noticed this in SVU, I 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.120 can't stop noticing. But like so many people wear three layers. 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.000 It's like everyone is wearing three layers. It's really hard 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.400 not to see this anymore. And he has a beaded 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.320 necklace on and glasses, but he didn't have dirt on him, 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.280 which Erica didn't like, like how are you foraging? 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:20.400 And you're not dirty? 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.880 And so they do this like interrogation in the park 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.680 and it's very poorn like, like it is sexual like 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.240 that if this was the start of a porn I 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.760 would believe it. They're just like so kind of mean 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.640 to him and he I think he likes it, and 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.400 they think he did it, so of course they're going 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.800 to be aggressive to him. But like, I don't think 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.200 he did it. I there's no fucking way. I don't 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.120 think they that he is guilty of anything. He seems 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.600 way too dorky and anxious for this kind of crime, 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.560 and he gives all the addresses and all the names 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.520 of anyone in the group and is willing to help 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.520 in any way. Possibly he's like, I did nothing. I'm 0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.280 just kind of a dork who wanted to, you know, 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.720 ask her out. But like, here is all the information, 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.040 so you know, he wasn't one of those that's like 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.000 I need a warrant, I'm protecting my civil liberties. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.680 He's just like, whatever you need, ladies. Then it cuts 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:10.840 to B. 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.680 D Wong pontificating and recording into a tape recorder everything 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.720 he thinks that's happening with the Woodsman killer. 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.440 So the profile that BD Wong. 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.320 Aka Huang is thinking is white male, thirty five to 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:27.040 fifty five, normal intelligence, but street smart. He targets strangers, 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:32.880 depersonalizes victims, uses restraints, aggressive crime scene reflects control, and 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.800 high level of comfort of environment. Bodies are dumped in 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.800 the open, but in remote areas not mapped for tourists. 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.480 There's no witnesses, ever, which means he has surveillance of 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:49.760 the victims, and then we hear while we hear BD's voice, 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.760 we see Chester Lake standing outside of a busy New 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.680 York street thinking about something, putting all the pieces together. 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.800 So Huang is talking and Chester's figuring out like surveillance stuff. 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.400 His eyes go to like atm cameras and street cameras 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.880 and he's just looking at everything. And Wang says, but 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.960 this is strange because the emails were sent through some 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:13.800 weird wiring techs thing. This is against type, like this 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.800 guy's not a techie. And so then we see Chester's 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.320 at an internet cafe and an employee runs out and 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.600 tells Chester, hey, I can confirm these emails were sent 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.640 through this cafe in this like weird high tech way, 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.360 and he's going to try to track down what email 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.239 it came from and help track down the killer. So 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.440 we cut back to the office Holden. Huang is looking 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:38.640 at a photo of a doctor Tillman and agent Cooper 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:43.400 and so they're together, and basically he's con like, he 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:48.520 says that there's holes in the research because this doctor Tillman, 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.720 who you know, is a contemporary of agent Cooper or whatever. 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:52.560 They're working together. 0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.680 He looks older, but he says, They're like the holes 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.760 in the research are because of doctor Tillman's mental deterioration 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.800 and then suicide. So now we understand that this is 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.160 a personal case for Agent Cooper because this doctor Tillman 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:10.840 killed himself because he went crazy researching this case. So 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.000 then we cut to another professional. We have Melinda Warner 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.600 explaining what happened to the victim. So, Kate died ten 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.400 days ago. Torture by waterboarding is how death happened, and 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.640 uterus punctured and her colon was punctured. And then Cooper's like, Okay, 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.960 we've heard enough, and this is like I love Melinda 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.600 at her best. She turns around very Michael Badden in 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.920 her spirit, like she's so badass, and she flips her 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.920 head straight to the camera and goes, I speak for 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.440 the dead, and I'm not done. 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.600 I love that. I loved it. I loved that. 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.840 Yeah, I mean, God, when will we meet Melinda? I'm 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.960 about to go watch my cameo again. Okay, So then 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.760 Erica responds being like, at least he didn't cut her 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.880 up into pieces and he let her keep her head. 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:02.520 What I think she's referring to ways he's disposed of 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.880 other victims, like this isn't the worst she's seen. 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.280 I guess, but I don't really know why. Yeah, but 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.000 this this weird point of view. 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.640 It's like, yeah, are you telling this dead body to 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.040 be grateful that her. 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.720 Head wasn't chopped off? Like I'm confused. Yeah, I'm confused. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.400 While you're mad at Melinda for having like humanity towards 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.719 the dead and these victims, and you're just like she's lucky. 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:27.080 No, I think she's. 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.160 What she's trying to do is say I've seen so 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.920 much fucked up shit, and then like it gives Melinda 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.760 the idea like, oh, this bitch doesn't deal with what 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.640 I deal with every day, so maybe I'll go a 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.120 little easier on her, you know. 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.880 But also it's like, actually, doctor Agent Cooper, you haven't 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.360 seen this, That's the whole point. You're a behavioral person. Yeah, 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.600 you analyze. So then also like shut her down in 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.880 ways of I've seen worse, You've read worse, you've not 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.760 been on the case, like digging in these people's bodies, 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.600 Like I just don't fuck with my girl. 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.400 The thing is is that evidence is everything, and Melinda 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:00.680 has like all the evidence. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:02.720 Basically, when a body is dumped. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.440 Like that that it's all rust with the body, So 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.960 you need to shut up and listen to every single 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.440 thing she's saying, Like you don't need to go oh, 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.480 we get the GISTs, like no, she's gonna tell you 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:13.440 something like tell you everything you know. 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.759 Yeah, but Melinda says sorry, which again I know. 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:19.680 What you agree with. 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.640 Yeah, I understand the details are a lot, but like 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.799 that's her job and that's what you're there for. So 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.279 John Doe was shot once, but there's no slug at 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.000 like which is the leftover bullet piece? And since they 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.719 were not able to find a leftover bullet piece thing, 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.680 there's no way to connect the two killings, and so 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.200 there's no evidence that ties them together. That was killed 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.240 by the same person. So dun dund on, what's gonna happen? 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.960 Uh Chester is looking at internet cafe footage. That's what 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.759 he's decided to do. And then Huang asks swim fan Cooper, like, hey, 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.080 did you notice when Tilman lost his mind? Was it 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.200 a specific case? Because the profile has a lot of errors, 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.480 and if I can pinpoint what victim made him go nuts, like, 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.919 then I can go back and start making profiles from 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.600 then and she's like, I don't remember, and he's like 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.120 you need to try because he's torturing another victim right now, 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.640 and she loses it and goes like I don't fucking know, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.000 which is true, Like she doesn't know what's happening. She 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.600 has been working in these cases, beatde like come on, 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.920 like disrespect all around, but. 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.080 Also she needs to figure this out. But she goes. 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.160 Wild and she's like, if I knew, I would have 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:35.720 stopped him from killing himself. Hello, he was my favorite person. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.680 You think I would have just let him go nuts 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.440 slowly in mind in my own business, like I was 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:41.400 there to fucking help. 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.600 This is a weird line to go down that if 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:48.560 you have a mental illness or some kind of deterioration, 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.520 that's just happening. There's not a specific case that's making 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.200 you go nuts or making your mind deteriorate. You know. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.799 Yeah, maybe that's like a crime show trope, but it 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.080 seems like the case end up taking over certain detectives' 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:06.560 lives and yeah, they spiral, so I mean, I don't know, 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.080 but she says like he was my mentor and I 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.560 didn't see it coming. And I'm sure she has a 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:11.600 lot of guilts like she is. 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:15.759 An agent and a behavioral analysis and like didn't see 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.360 it coming. Pick up on this right, They cut to 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.359 Chester Lake and he makes a puzzled, confused face when 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:22.760 she says that statement. 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.440 But we don't know much, but there is a confused face. 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.279 And then Daddy Craigan Waltz is in and he's like, 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.160 there's a problem. We found the Woodsman, which how is 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:33.800 that a problem? 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:35.600 Right? And people are like where, what? 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:35.759 What? 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.200 And he goes in the morgue. 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:43.439 What the DNA sample CSU found matches the John Doe 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.440 they found, so he's dead. So the dead male body 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:51.000 at the crime scene is the Woodsman killer, which is 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:52.680 awesome because this evil piece of. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:53.360 Shit is dead. 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.920 But it's bad because they think that there's another live 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:57.799 victim and now he's dead and they can't get any 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:03.200 information about anybody. Yeah, Erica takes a deep breath. I'm 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.239 assuming there was a commercial right here. So then we 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:08.520 see a photo of the Woodsman. He's wearing a park 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.319 Ranger style hat. His name is Larry Moore and he 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.239 looks like he would be on CBS Survivor. I can't 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.560 tell you why, but if you watch Survivor and you 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:17.320 saw this photo. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:18.960 You know exactly what I'm saying. 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.880 So he's a non commissioned park ranger but also a 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.719 cop maintenance ranger. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.239 I'm confused. I'm confused so much in this episode, like 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.840 I don't know, And I kept rewinding and rewriting, and 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.040 I was like, how, I don't know? 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:34.960 Was he a cop? 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.480 Is he a park ranger? Is he a maintenance mountain 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.880 ranger cop? Like, I don't fucking know. Maybe I'm assuming 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.920 that if he's non commissioned park ranger, that he's like 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:44.960 a park ranger, but like you have to actually get 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.239 like licensed and ship to be a park ranger. So 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.400 maybe he's more just like a maintenance ranger where he 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.480 just like you know, does just for sure. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.200 But then why did Craigan say that he was a 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.520 former cop or a cop? Like That's what I kept 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.040 not understanding. I kept watching and I was just like, 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.880 what is happening? But you know, yeah, you are totally 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.880 right on with the maintenance thing, like he opened and 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:08.880 closed the park in the season, Like when the season 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.479 opened and closed, he picked up trash. Okay, so yeah, 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.439 they're just gabbing trying to figure it out. But how 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.839 did nobody hear the torture, so she goes, well, maybe 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:21.720 the winter cabins, like, maybe he's there. Chester then finds 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.920 an apartment in the city that he was subleasing, so 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.880 they get moving to the apartment. They enter with all 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.160 these guns, searching for scoop, knocking down bookshelves, junk, junk, junk. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.240 So while they're going through the evidence in the apartment, 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.719 she's like opening up to Benson and she reveals that 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.080 she grew up in a group home and that this 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.040 Tillman guy recruited her when she was a junior in 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.200 college and she felt like he was her dad. That 0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:47.880 is the dream to be for the FBI to find 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.759 you and in college, we need you. 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:51.400 You're the one. 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:55.880 Yeah, like such a men in black like amazing moment, 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.879 Like that is just so cool. Obviously you obviously need 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.360 special skills, but also the FBI is watching all of 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:06.359 our grades, all of our skills. So Benson says, oh 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.239 my god, I think I got something and it's a 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.880 key and hopefully it's to the murder room. And then 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.600 there's one photo in the whole room and it says 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.040 Aunt Helen nineteen eighty. So they go to visit Aunt 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:22.040 Helen she's gardening. She has full glass bangs flowers, marble galore, 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.879 she's wearing a little apron. They tell her that her 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.920 nephew tortures and murders women, and she starts kind of crying, 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.800 not fully, but asks how many. They say over twenty, 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.640 and Erica's like, hey, girl, you don't seem surprised. And 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.279 the aunt says, I've known for a long time what 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.560 he's capable of, and she said she hasn't seen him 0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:42.359 since he got out of jail, and Benson says, oh, well, 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.200 he doesn't have a record and he was a juvenile 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.360 so it was sealed and then a sponge. But he 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.080 was visiting her in the summer and volunteering to clean 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.640 up Central Park and a couple of girls said that 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.200 he touched them, and at first she believed that they 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.440 were lying, but then she knew he was bad at 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.799 a moment, and like she doesn't want to talk about it. 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:02.879 She's like, I mean, it makes me uncomfortable. I don't 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.399 want to say it out loud. But something happened either 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.040 to her or she witnessed that made her I'll be like, oh, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.759 my nephew's a that, and I'm scared of him. So 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:13.880 the detectives explain, we're trying to find out where he 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.760 holds people, and she said, I mean he liked the docks, 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.640 he liked the ships going in and out, and he 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.560 liked the noise. So they cut to a busy precinct 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.319 and Benson says to Craigan, there's no connection to a 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.680 seaside thing according to his financials at all, and he 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.520 pays for most things in cash except for rent, and 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.880 that's a red flag obviously paying with cash everywhere. 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.440 Cooper said, yeah, don't you want the airline points? 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.840 Okay, So Cooper says, he gets off on the screaming 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.000 and the sheer terror, so it needs to be a 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.840 place where they can really scream. 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.080 He's a sadist and this is just so. 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:51.600 Scary, like to think someone wants this is the scariest. 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.080 So Benson goes, well, this key is to a storage 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.280 facility and that might give him a lot of freedom, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.000 like someplace that's dead at night and busy in the daytime, 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:01.799 and then he could go there at night. But there's 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.120 so many places in the city, like what is it? 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:08.200 And then Benson finds the receipt for Augusta Cruises what 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.200 the fuck is that the phone number is no longer registered? 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:15.000 So Craigan knows that when cruise lines go under, they 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.320 sell their storage spaces to companies, and then that's the 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.520 lead we really need. So we know that the Augusta 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.400 Cruises sold their property. It's just some storage unit we 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.040 gotta go. So it's River Run Cruises peers and the 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.120 guy wants a warrant to search shit, and they're like, 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.719 are you fucking kidding me? There's dead women, someone was 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.279 torturing women here, and you're fucking gonna do what we 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.759 tell you, So he gives in. Of course, you don't 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.799 really turn down when both of them steer you down. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.840 And it's a big squad team, lots of people, lots 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.960 of rounding up guns, bulletproof vests, like everyone is ready 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.080 to get in there. But I don't know why you 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.080 need all those guns and stuff, Like the guy's dead, 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.080 but maybe you know he had a partner. 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.840 In compos Yeah. 0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.160 So then Benson is told to stand back and she 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.120 takes my dad's approach and it is like, I'd rather 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:02.800 ask for forgiveness than permission. 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.080 Hell, yes, so she goes. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.480 So then we hear torture like it's bad, and like 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.759 the set designer did a really good job, Like maybe 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.640 we should look into what they're up to because this 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.200 torture chamber, it seems very realistic. 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:22.080 It's so scary. It's a really scary murder drip drops also, 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.319 there are drip drops, like I said before. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.480 A sure sign you're about to find like a murder den. 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.279 Wait what remember in another episode we did, I was 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.479 like there when there's the sound of like drip drip drip, Yeah, 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.640 like you always know you're about to see something really creepy. 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.440 Yeah, there's tubes and hooks and metal and chains and 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:44.600 sounds of screaming and like it's just really scary. And 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.520 then the sounds of the torture are coming from a 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.240 TV though, and it shows a video of a woman 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.880 in a tub being tortured and screaming, and there is 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.920 that version of the tub in the torture chamber, and 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.880 it's empty right now. So that video is to terrorize 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.960 a victim, so there's got be a victim. And so 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.920 they're slowly walking and looking at all these machines and 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.920 it is really scary. 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.000 And I have a personal story to add to this. 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:08.959 So this is obviously horrific, like when you think about 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.600 the worst things that can happen to you in the fear, 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:12.880 it's like, I don't want to get kidnapped and tortured 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.280 like that is the thing, like so many different crimes. 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.719 It's like to be changed to a thing knowing you'll 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.879 never escape torture. Watch it's I can't think of anything worse. 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:25.279 It is made of nightmares. So years ago, I would 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.160 say seventy eight years ago, I did DMT with a 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.600 group of friends and we one in, one at a time, 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.920 and one at a time, everyone did DMT, and everyone 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:38.080 I saw, I saw a rainbow civilization of people dancing 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:39.880 to algreen, and I saw outer space. 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.600 I saw like rainbow, like I saw God right, I. 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.120 Saw outer space and like the existence of like family, 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:47.760 Like it really was an amazing moment. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:49.440 My body felt great, and we're all going in one 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.440 at a time. And then our friend. 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.840 Dave is reacting weird and we don't know why, but 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:55.760 he's not telling us because he's a good drug taker, 0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:57.480 so he's not going to like say anything bad that 0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.160 happened and fuck up someone else's high. So he's just 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.960 standing in the bathtub smoking cigarettes outside the window. And 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:04.879 we're like, what the fuck is going on? So then 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.719 after we all do drugs, he tells us he had 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.320 the worst trip of his life and that his DMT 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.120 trip was that he was chained down to a table, 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.839 knew he was about to be tortured, but couldn't do 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:15.759 anything about it. 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:16.880 Oh my god. 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.319 And so the good thing with DMT is it is 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:24.320 only like ten to fifteen minutes, but for ten fifteen 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.760 minutes he was in his brain chained to a table 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:28.720 and couldn't escape. 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:30.560 Wow, And do you think. 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.839 That that's like something that is in your mind that 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.080 like obviously right, Like isn't that the drugs just bringing 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.400 something that's deep in your subconscious to the surface? 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:40.680 Right? Yeah. 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.960 Our theory was like, our friend David is like kind 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.320 of a golden Retriever in a way. He's like a happy, 0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.799 go lucky, positive, chill dude who's not really bothered. So 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.799 maybe the universe needed to instill fear in him or 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:57.200 something like I don't know, like I have no idea, 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.600 but it is the worst thing I can imagine, and 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:02.680 I guess the best way to imagine. 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.879 It is on a drug trip, because it's not real. 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.919 But yeah, but he's done DMT since and loved it, 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:09.480 so okay, well wow. 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.640 I'm glad he was able to give it another shot. 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.600 Well because we were like having the time of our lives. 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.839 He was so generous. It was such a short high. 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.560 That's it is, and it feels awesome. 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.319 And then we all did it again, but all at once, 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:24.120 and then I would open my eyes and people were 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:27.320 like it was like it was awesome if you get DMT. 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:29.720 Fuck. Yeah. 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:34.160 So there's like piles of VHS tapes and it's just 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.319 like really scary in there, and Chester says that there's 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.640 nobody in here, but thank god, there's better detectives in 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:44.520 the room. So Benson opens like this metal container that's 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.400 under the torture taber and there's a girl in there. 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.040 Which is like very reminiscent by the way of slaves. 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.360 When like there's that push pressure like thing under the bed, 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.680 you know, it's like not everything is what it seems. 0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:01.279 Yeah, she's in braun underwear. She's she's scared and she's 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.279 screaming through the tape, like shuffling, twitching, screaming. Her hands 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.520 are black, so like maybe frozen or something like for 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.520 us to buy a torture electroc I don't know what 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.960 it is, but she's injured, and Erica keeps screaming on 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.320 educated suggestions. She was like move her, remove the tape, 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.240 and Benson's like, go away. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:20.239 We cannot move her. 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.000 She might have a spinal injury, and we cannot rip 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.520 the tape off without a solution or a skin will rip. 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:28.120 Like you are not good at this, Shut the fuck up, 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:32.759 and then Cooper goes and grabs some torture knife and. 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:37.280 Starts heading towards the girl. What what was she thinking? 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:41.160 What was she thinking? Fucking nuts? So the girl of 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.840 course goes insane and Benson's like what are you doing? 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.040 And then Erica does this movement of like what do 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:48.759 you want me to do? 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.000 Like arms in the air, and it's like, don't take 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.480 a torture scalpel to a torture victim. 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.759 How about what were you gonna do? Cut her mouth open? 0:46:55.920 --> 0:47:01.399 Like fuck god ough these behavior experts, they know nothing. 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.520 So the girls are in the hospital and Benson and 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.720 Eric are talking shop like how long has this victim 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:12.480 been there? The girl so the victim is in critical condition. 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:17.000 The docs says what happened to her? And they respond 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:21.680 everything So unfortunately, she's too weak for surgery. So even 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.760 like they can't even help her. She like, they can't 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.560 perform the surgery she needs because she's too weak for surgery. 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.640 But they're just pumping her up with fluids and antibiotics 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.080 and really trying to get her back. 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.239 And then this is like a scene they only do. 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.600 They don't do this very often, but it's a powerful 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.600 scene where Benson and Erica they get to work and 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.840 they take pictures of all the injuries and it's just 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:48.200 like really brutal, and then they fingerprint her black and 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:52.840 purple fingers and it's just it's a lot. Benson explains, 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.359 like we need to find her family and find out 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.480 who she is because if she's not gonna make it, 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:02.080 which is likely, we need the family here. And Agent 0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:05.080 Cooper can't handle it, and she starts bawling and crying 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:06.280 and she's like, I'm not okay. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:07.759 This is not what I'm used to. 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.600 I don't deal with victims, and so it just proves 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.080 the point that how important the Special Victims Unit really is. 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.879 So we're back at the station with Kragan and Lake 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.319 and you know, not a dynamic duo. We're like, what 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:27.799 is happening? The where are the other detectives? But basically 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.279 Jersey is playing hardball with the evidence, and it's like, what. 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:33.239 Why wouldn't you want what? 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.440 I don't understand playing big dick games when it comes 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.280 to torture and evidence. 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.719 Like, oh is Jersey where the Augusta Cruzes was? 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:41.680 Oh? 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:42.480 Okay, got it? 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:48.160 And it's like, just why are we playing jurisdiction games 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:53.080 when it's like full torture chambers. It's so angering and 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.680 it wouldn't be so angry if we didn't know this 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.960 happens all the time in real life, right, So basically 0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:00.600 Chester is just one track mine. 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.520 He's like, we got to see who sent the email. 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.000 We got to see who sent the email? 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.560 And he says, taru enhance the footage, which we know 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.760 is not a thing that happens in real life. 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:13.920 No real but boom baby, who is it? 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:19.720 He sees who it is. It's Agent Cooper. Agent Cooper 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:24.200 sent the email. She is found on the security cam 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.040 footage in a baseball cap leaving the internet cafe. 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.440 It's like, you're a fucking FBI agent and a baseball. 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.480 Cap does not hide your identity? Like I can't believe 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.680 that she just didn't know that she would be caught 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:37.960 on like multiple CCTV cameras that are like all over 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:38.960 the sea the city. 0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:40.560 Yeah, she's an idiot. 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.160 Maybe she didn't realize like, yeah, you knew they were 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:44.560 going to try to find who sent the email. 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.040 Yeah, it was bad. 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:50.440 Benson comes into Craigen's office novakas they're waiting, and they 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:54.719 tell Benson about the Internet cafe scoop and Benson is 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.440 like there must be a reason, like that's not her, 0:49:57.640 --> 0:49:59.680 that's not her, And Benson goes, you don't know her 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.960 and no backs like neither do you, Like we just 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.960 met her a few days ago, be real girl. During 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.400 the talk, Craigan gets a call that Amy Doe died, which, 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.399 like hammers home, what like Erica did is bad because 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.080 if she just sent this email found the body, it 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:17.919 wouldn't be that bad. 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:19.399 But because of her not being. 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.840 Up front right away, you know, we could have saved 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.400 Amy Doe. Yeah, so Erica is now an interrogation and 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.040 Benson walks in and you know, we're about to have 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.560 an amazing scene. Benson does have like a weird gold 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:35.000 clasp right underneath her titties on her shirt. 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.000 Did you notice it? It was like I did not 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:38.280 a bell, but like right. 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.840 Under her boobs there was just like a gemstone silver 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.600 clasp and it's very real. 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.000 Housewives of OC Early Seasons does like to see that? 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.960 Yeah, Benson says she's waiting for an FBI officer to 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:53.120 like come, kind of like a union wrap, I would guess, 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:54.560 and Erica goes, no, I know what's up. 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.360 I don't care, I pass, I don't just talk to me. 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.960 Yeah, so she said, hey, so did you send an 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.560 email to the parks department about the dead dog? And 0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:04.520 she responds, how do you want me to respond to that? 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.640 And Benson goes, well, I'd love for you to say no, 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:11.239 but you can't. CanYa Burn, She's like, wow, must be 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:14.040 so many confessions in this room, trying to free the 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.920 soul of a burden. And Benson says do you sleep 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.759 at night? And she goes, I sleep fine, And then 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.200 Benson says did you kill him? And she says, I 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.759 have the right to remain silent, and you know the 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:25.520 rest of the speech. 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:26.200 She doesn't know that. 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:31.480 So then Benson shows Agent Cooper the photo of her 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.040 leaving the cafe, and she tears up a little bit 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.320 and says, stop pretending you're on my side. 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.480 I know there's a search warrant on my apartment right now. 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.880 We're not friends, and it's like, you know the warrant process, 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:44.760 but you didn't know you'd be caught on every single 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:49.400 camera lead in a cafe. So we're at Agent Cooper's 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:54.080 apartment and there's a csu tech and Chester Lake and 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:57.440 Chester's in a leather jacket and he's looking for a trophy. 0:51:57.480 --> 0:51:59.759 He knows, he knows there's a trophy this person would 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:01.960 want to look at it. He goes as soon as 0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.040 they wake up and go to bed. He wants it. 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.960 And he's like staring and really like being annoying. If 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:08.239 you were there, you'd be annoyed with. 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:09.479 His personality for sure. 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.000 And he's like, where's the evidence. Where's the evidence? He 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.520 lays down in her bed and he sees it and 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.080 in a spice rack where all the spices are like 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:20.320 in test tubes. In one of them there's the bullet casing. 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:26.239 So Chester Lake comes through, Come through, Mama. So then 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.480 back at the precinct, the FBI like headperson like one 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.279 of the protectors comes and they're having a back and 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:36.040 forth and Benson implies she's fucking that she's fucked her 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.080 father figure Tolman, and she goes, how dare you? I 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.640 wouldn't And if you publicly malign him, the FBI building 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.000 will fall on you like a ton of bricks. 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:46.520 Okay. 0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:49.399 But then Chester walks into the interrogation room. I guess 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:53.759 there was no traffic that day in Manhattan, and he 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:55.439 shows up with the test tube. 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:55.760 Baby. 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.640 He shows up with the trophy in a plastic bag 0:52:58.680 --> 0:52:59.799 and goes got it. 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:01.560 And Benson is upset about this. 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:03.719 You know, she thought she really bonded with like this, 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:08.400 carrying other powerful female detective that it's so hungry for 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:12.200 the job and for justice. So she's pretty betrayed in 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:15.600 many ways. But Benson handcuffs her and takes her away, 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.879 and then her lawyer is Cleo Conrad, fantastic. The head 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:23.320 cops are marching in the precinct in between court scenes, 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.960 and Novak's wearing three layers again. 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.640 I will never be able to not see this. 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.880 So we have a woman I don't think i've ever 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.960 there's a woman eighty a Lydia Ramos for the people, 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:39.680 and she says, all the charges are dropped and let's 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:41.799 go drink pina coladas, Honey. 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:44.239 What is happening? 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.200 And the judges are free to go, and I don't 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.600 understand what's happening, And then we cut back in the 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:52.640 head cops are like filling Kragan in and they're like, listen, 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.880 the DA is arguing with the cops, and no vacuum 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:55.960 people are protecting her. 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:59.120 It's just like a fucking conniption fit. But basically, high 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.080 up governments are letting her go. And it's like but 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.960 also they're worried because it's like, what jury's ever even 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.360 going to find her guilty? She killed a fucking statist 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.880 who has twenty four victims America loves a rogue FBI 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.400 agent for justice, so it's like, why even do this? 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:15.600 And the head caught Marshall guy is like, don't you 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:16.200 have anything? 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.640 We need a final piece of evidence where she confesses 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.919 or there's no charges, and Benson wants her to walk 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:26.000 though Benson's like, who cares, Yeah, she. 0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:27.239 Did it, like, let her go. 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.920 I'm on the whoever pulled the strings to let her go. 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:32.080 I'm fine with it. 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:35.919 I'm confused why the bullet casing isn't enough evidence though, 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.280 but maybe they need the gun. I have no idea, 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.120 but she wants to let her go. She yeah, she 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:42.960 wants a brunch friend. Like she's like, no, this is 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.360 my new best friend. You can't take her away from me. 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.759 So Craigan and Novak are fighting against her, and so 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.080 is Huang too, Like what is going to happen? They're 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.320 all fighting and Huang's like, she's not going to confess. 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:58.040 So profile the profiler, she staged the crime scene and 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.640 inserted herself in an investigation and kept a trophy. She 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:06.359 is bad, oh god? And also how did she even 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.120 find him? So Huang's like, she found more info about 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.920 him that she didn't put into the profile, and all 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.759 the jurisdictions didn't share info with each other. So it's 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:19.160 like so many secrets. It's so sad, like it's really appalling. 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:21.680 But yeah, so she was keeping all this information for 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.359 herself to like do some sort of revenge for her 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:28.879 Tillman guy, and was hindering the investigation and the long 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.400 and like the big picture because she didn't put the 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.160 info into the profile. Did she keep the gun? Question question? 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:39.600 Question Mark Benson goes, wait, does Tillman have guns? Maybe 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.000 there are more guns. So they show up to Tillman's 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:45.160 old place and the widower is there, so maybe she 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:46.480 knows something about the guns. 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:47.520 She right away when. 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.160 Asked about the gun, is like, what is this about 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:51.200 my girl, Lauren Cooper? 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:52.040 Yeah? 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.759 I gave the gun to Lauren as a keep skate, 0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.960 as a keepsake because I don't like having guns in 0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.640 the house. And they keep trying to get information out 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:01.520 of her, and she goes, I'm not giving a statement, 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.200 I'm not cooperating. I love Lauren, so go fuck yourself. 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:08.319 And she's not gonna lie, but she's not gonna help 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.000 put her away, so godspeed, get the fuck out of here, 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.399 keep it moving. Benson's like, oh, we need a hurry 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.839 up because obviously she's calling her right now and like 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:20.200 filling her in. So, since Tilman used the same gun 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:24.359 to kill himself, the casings are matched. So like the 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:29.200 casing from the bullet from the gun that Tillman committed 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:32.760 suicide matches the casings found on the crime scene. 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:37.000 So finally ballistics, right, Yeah, there's like a full ballistics report. 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:40.160 Well, yeah, that's what the case. Ballistics are the casings 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:40.880 about the bullets. 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.600 Yeah, but it's also like the striations that come out 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.360 of the gun and stuff. But yeah, I took forensics 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:47.720 chemistry in college. 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:48.800 So did you really? 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:49.040 I know? 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.920 Two things? Yeah, what else do you know? Nothing? Sublimination 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:54.359 of fingerprints? We did that. 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.920 We did a sublimination thing where you use this gas 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.920 to make fingerprints show up on soda cans. 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.719 I can't believe you've never met in our personal friendship 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:04.520 or on the show that you took up forensic psychology 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.120 class when we've been doing this podcast for months. 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:07.759 Do you know what? 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:09.279 I don't know why I haven't brought it up. And 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:11.040 it was really hard. It was a lot harder that 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:12.520 I thought it was going to be that class. 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:18.120 That's how I felt about food science, really hard pectans. Yeah, 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.280 I was like, I thought this was a nutrition like 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.240 I don't know what. I don't need to know how 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:26.080 molecule's form chicken, I know. 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:27.880 I was like, are we just going to watch CSI 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.560 And no, it was like a lot harder and involved experiments. 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:31.560 Well, see if. 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:35.520 You can find any of your old information, okay, any 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.840 old notebooks this is to say information. 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:41.360 Hopefully the listeners will let you know how pissed they are. 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.640 Hopefully there's pissed, as I am never mentioned it I. 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.120 Think it was sophomore year. Anyway, go on, are you 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.480 calling your own self old? Did you just read yourself? 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.880 So Benson and Lake enter the apartment and listen, baby girl, Erica, 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.480 she's sitting, she's ready, She's at a desk with her 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:05.880 hair pulled tight, pulled back forever, she'll never change. And 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:08.640 then on the desk, clean ass desk, there's a badge 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:09.960 and a gun on the table. 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:10.520 Yeah. 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:15.200 So Benson asks, where is Tilman's gun? And she says, 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.600 in many pieces all over the city. 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:21.920 Which I love. Why has no one else gotten rid 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:22.680 of a weapon like this? 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:23.600 Yeah? 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:27.480 There, I don't know, I've never seen it. Thought of 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:28.040 that before. 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:30.760 Because of this episode, I thought, if I ever, like 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:32.960 you know, when I'm constantly planning a crime in my head, 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.000 I'm like, I would leave evidence in pieces all over 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.640 the city, like if I had something. 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:40.040 Yeah, I just can't believe it, but it's like the 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:42.840 best way, Yes, stick one thing over here, over here, 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:44.760 over here, I mean the city is busy, Like, you 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.640 probably can't do this in you know, a tiny town 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:48.480 in Iowa. 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:49.440 But New York. 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:52.120 He can hide a gun everywhere. I bet you can 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.760 do it in eye one. My bad Okay, everyone could 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:59.200 hide their murder weapons. You can hide a gun too. 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.040 She said she didn't need it anymore. She's like, listen, 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:05.440 I'm going to jail. Are you happy? 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.400 And Benson goes, no, I would have been happy collaring 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:10.680 the son of a bitch with you that killed twenty 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:12.600 four women. I thought we were friends. 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.280 Yeah, but that wouldn't have satisfied her at all, Like 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.560 she needed to kill this guy for herself. 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:20.400 So, but Benson's great at police work. 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:22.040 She takes the gun from the desk, hands it to 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:23.600 Chester so they feel safe. 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:25.880 Cooper's like, okay, stop. 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:27.280 Doing this game, like you know you want to kill 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.280 all these assholes, and Benson goes, no, I have too 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.919 much to lose and we lost a victim, and Cooper goes, 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.919 I did everything I could to save her. Even after 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.920 she put the gun to like the woodsman's head, she 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.040 didn't give up, and like she tried and he wouldn't 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.360 give anything up. So she killed his dumbass and then 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:45.600 sent the email to help find her. She goes, you 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.400 have to believe me, you have to believe me. But 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.160 to me, it's like if she just said, listen, there 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:54.960 was a scuffle I caught him. I killed him. Let's 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.480 get to it. Would she have gotten in trouble? Like 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:58.680 if she came forward? 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.080 I think, well, I don't know. 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.520 I think because of the way that she shot him 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:06.600 in the back of the head, flushed to the head, 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:09.040 it's like clear that she executed him and she couldn't 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.760 really she couldn't really claim self defense. 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:13.280 I don't know. 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:15.600 I don't know, but yeah, like it seems like that 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:16.600 would have been the best thing to do. 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.560 Be like I tried. He came at me, I shot him, 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:22.120 you know. Yeah. 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:25.480 Benson says, listen, I can't condone what you did, but 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:30.040 I understand it. Twenty four women are dead, so the 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:33.600 DA is going to go easy on you, and Cooper responds, 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.919 I'm sorry, I can't, and Benson says, just take the deal, 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.280 and Cooper goes no, because those who fight monsters should 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.960 make damn sure they don't become one. Quickly gun from 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:48.600 behind her back, she kills herself, shoots herself in the 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:49.280 fucking head. 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:54.439 It's so fuck This scene is so crazy and fucked up. 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.959 And Benson fully crime screens. 1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.520 This is a very intense performance, Like I I want 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:03.720 to know everything about this scene. They really bring the 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:07.000 best out of each other. But yeah, I've never seen Benson. 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.680 I have, but Benson really is emotional here. It's a 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:14.919 stellar performance. She walks away, she's breathing really hard, she's 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:18.800 crying and is so upset, and I think there's even 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:20.960 more deepness to it because she really thought that, like 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:22.640 this was going to be her girl, you know. 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:24.160 A best friend forever. 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:26.200 Yeah, and saw a lot of herself in it and 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.400 probably also is like, am I going to become a monster? 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:31.240 And we see, you know, pieces of that when she's 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.320 beating the shit out of William Lewis. 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:36.240 Even though he deserves everything that happens to him. But anyways, 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:37.160 YadA YadA, yah. 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:44.120 Yeah, So Cooper's dead, Benson's crying. Lake just looks back 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:46.720 and is just like, oh geez, Like he looks at 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.760 the blood like he's dexter, like he's really him in 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:51.120 the blood. 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:51.640 Have a moment. 1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:57.280 There's a caution tape montage. Benson is sad, there's a stretcher. 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:01.280 Melinda walks in to console her and take evidence, and 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:03.680 then Benson has shook as hell and it zooms in 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.920 on her like in this Backstreet Boys style pose on 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:10.480 the ground, like she's about to sing a love song. 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:16.160 And if you know the Backstreet Boys music video catalog, 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:17.960 you know exactly what I'm talking about. If you know 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.600 you know, yeah, yeah, and then it's Dick Wolf. 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:25.360 Oh my gosh, that's scene though, that scene like Lake, 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:27.720 it's just like it's such a quiet scene of just 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:30.880 them talking and then suddenly Lake is like gone, and 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:33.280 like it's like and like it's so fast, and Olivia's 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:35.240 scream is like the editor, I have to give the 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:38.040 editor props there because it just goes so fast and 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:41.360 and oh well, I also wonder how much she had 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:43.840 to practice taking the gun out from behind her back 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:44.880 so faster if that. 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:49.240 Was a body double or something. But emotion that's like 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:49.960 pretty hard too. 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:55.600 So that's that. Yeah, well it's not getting any better. 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:57.760 I got to tell you what the real crime, So 1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.720 stick around and we'll be back to try traumatize you, 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:16.280 all right. So yeah, not like you ever really need 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:19.600 a trigger warning, but this episode is this episode, sorry, 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:22.760 this episode of real life is very very graphic and 1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:25.760 fucked up. So if you don't want to hear about it, 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:28.200 maybe you want to fast forward, skip around, have your 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:30.240 hand ready on that forward thirty button. 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:30.640 Whatever. 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:35.480 Okay, So this episode, as listed on some websites, is 1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:38.280 kind of based on two crimes, but like the first 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:40.600 one's very not important. Like, so I'm just going to 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:44.360 really quickly tell you about one very tenuously connected crime 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:47.200 is the case of Todd Alan Reid, who was known 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:49.240 as the Forest Park Killer. So I think that's like 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:52.840 where the Woodsman, that's like the only kind of similarity, 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:56.080 and that this man he's called a serial killer because 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:58.720 he had three victims, but he raped and strangled three 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:02.000 homeless women in Portland or in between April and June 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.880 of ninety nine, dumped their bodies in a forest park preserve, 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:08.480 and then he was like found very quickly, convicted very quickly. 1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:09.560 And received three terms of life. 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:12.520 And there's really not that much in common except the nicknames, 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.880 and like the dumping in a park is similar, I guess. 1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:17.919 And then I did think one interesting thing. 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.160 About this crime that I thought you would like to Lisa, 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.440 is that one of the ways that he was caught 1:04:22.560 --> 1:04:25.000 was a female cop went undercover as a sex worker 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:26.840 to draw him out. And we always love to see it, 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:31.760 you know, yes, an a fun little you know, one 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:34.280 of the things we talked about on Jensen and holes 1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:37.600 is that we love an undercover female cop. So the 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:41.320 more closely linked case is the case of David Parker Ray, 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:44.000 who is known as the Toy Box Killer. And this 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:48.760 is a very very scary person no surprise. Ray had 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.640 a fucked up childhood. He and his younger sister Peggy 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:57.439 lived with their disciplinarian grandfather, and occasionally their father, who 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:01.600 was a violent alcoholic, would visit and would bring Ray 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:07.640 sadomasochistic pornography, so that obviously shaped his view of women 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:10.240 and sex from a young age. He was bullied in 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:14.640 school like everybody, he had sexual fantasies of raping, torturing, 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:16.919 and murdered murdering women that developed. 1:05:16.600 --> 1:05:17.680 In his teenage years. 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:20.959 His sister would find these stato masochistic drawings that he did, 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:24.920 as well as pornographic photographs of bondage and stuff like 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:28.680 that which is not in and of itself like something 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:32.760 that denotes a serial killer. But I think all combine 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:36.520 these things contributed to a very very disturbed person. Ray 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.720 was married and divorced four times and had two children, 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:43.120 including a daughter named Jesse and we will find out 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:47.560 more about her later. Ray was living in Truther Consequences, 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:49.479 New Mexico. Have you ever heard of that place, Lisa, 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.200 It's a fun name. Truther or Consequences is one of 1:05:52.240 --> 1:05:53.640 these places that has a strange name. 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:54.480 It's in New Mexico. 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:57.640 He was working as a mechanic and a park ranger. 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:00.959 Very well, I want to know who named like that's 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:03.240 not even a name. Those are just two things. 1:06:03.720 --> 1:06:04.200 I don't know. 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:06.480 I don't know why it's called Truther Consequences, but it's 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:09.480 like it's on a list of interesting town names or whatever. 1:06:09.520 --> 1:06:10.120 For the US. 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:16.200 Ray had a truck trailer that he outfitted as a 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:19.680 torture chamber. He soundproofed it and set it up with 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:22.760 a ton of devices used for sexual torture, and he 1:06:22.800 --> 1:06:26.880 called it his toy box. So this is disturbing. But 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:34.280 some of the things found inside the toy box were whips, chains, pulleys, straps, clamps, legs, 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:41.360 spreader bars, surgical blades, electric shock machines, saws, sex toys, syringes, 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:45.680 and detailed diagrams showing ways of inflicting pain, as well 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:49.960 as a homemade electrical generator used for torture. A mirror 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:52.919 was mounted on the ceiling above the obstectric table where 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:55.560 he strapped his victims, because he wanted his victims to 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:58.360 see everything he was doing to them. 1:06:57.640 --> 1:06:59.280 Oh, this is like. 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:01.960 How sometimes there's a mirror in the delivery room so 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:04.480 you can like see yourself giving birth. And I don't 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:05.480 know who would want to do that. 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:06.120 That's so funny. 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:08.280 That's where your brain wather' be, like, you know, sometimes 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:10.200 it's fine, there were a mirror on top of your 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:11.520 bed in a hotel room. 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:14.480 I went to giving birth. 1:07:14.680 --> 1:07:18.000 Yeah, nature's torture, the closest Yeah, the closest form of 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:19.000 torture that's happened to me. 1:07:19.480 --> 1:07:23.160 And this is so so fucked up. 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:26.280 But he had this wooden contraption he would put his 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.360 victims in that would bend him them over and immobilize 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:31.160 them so that he could rape them. 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:33.400 And he would have and it said, and have other 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:36.040 friends rape them and have dogs rape them. 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:40.120 It says as well, I'm so like horrified by this. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:42.680 It's like they so he had friends come to the 1:07:42.680 --> 1:07:45.400 torture chamber and think nothing of it. 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:48.720 I think it's people that like you'll find out I'll 1:07:48.720 --> 1:07:50.080 tell you in a second. But he had a mail 1:07:50.120 --> 1:07:52.560 accomplice at one point got it so that man was 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:55.680 probably helping too, and I don't know. Yeah, I think 1:07:55.720 --> 1:07:58.920 that it's possible. He had friends that were like, oh, 1:07:58.920 --> 1:08:00.840 this is a sex worker. He's paying her for this 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:05.000 or something like that. I have no idea she's screaming 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:08.960 in torture like that. Yeah, no, it's beyond fucked it's 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:13.600 so it's awful. He had an audio tape recording of 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:17.040 his voice that he played for victims whenever they regained consciousness, 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:19.360 detailing all the fucked up shit he was going to 1:08:19.400 --> 1:08:20.160 do to them. 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:21.240 When he was. 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:25.040 Eventually captured, authorities found his journal where he kept meticulous 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:27.680 records detailing the victims that he had abducted. 1:08:27.240 --> 1:08:28.200 And what he had done to them. 1:08:28.200 --> 1:08:30.639 And there were dozens of entries, but there were no names, 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.560 only dates and the numbers of times he tortured the 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:36.839 victims and like what he did. Basically, he would kidnap 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:39.479 five to six women a year, hold them captive for 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:43.679 around three to four months. He often had accomplices, such 1:08:43.720 --> 1:08:46.360 as women he was dating and even his own. 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:47.040 Daughter, Jesse. 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:49.320 She was one of his accomplices that would help him 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:52.960 actually lure victims. He also had an accomplice named Dennis 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:56.400 Roy Yancy, so when he was finished with a victim, 1:08:56.720 --> 1:08:59.680 he would either kill them or drug them with barbituates 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:02.800 to induce amnesia, and then just like abandon them on 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:05.360 the side of the road. So in one of the 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:08.759 tape recordings of him that they found, he is telling 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:11.680 one of his victims that the drugs are sodium pentathol 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:15.599 and phenobarbital. So he was basically just trying to induce 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:18.680 amnesia or like make people think that they dreamed what 1:09:18.680 --> 1:09:21.439 happens to them, or I don't even know. So in 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:24.320 March of nineteen ninety nine, Cynthia Vigil, a sex worker, 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:26.880 was in a parking lot in Albuquerque, which is hours 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.360 away from Truth or Consequences, when she was approached by 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.479 Ray posing as an undercover police officer and he told 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:37.000 her that she was under arrest and handcuffed her. She 1:09:37.160 --> 1:09:39.920 tried to fight back and out of nowhere, his girlfriend 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:43.519 named Cindy Hendy, which actually Cindy is short for Cynthia. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:44.920 They had the same name, which is creepy. 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:48.920 Cindy Hendy showed up and shocked Cynthia with a cattle 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.759 prod and that's when they got her into the car, 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:55.840 drove her to this trailer, this toy box, where she 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:59.439 was tasered, drug blindfolded, and chained to a bed. Then 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:03.000 he played his instruction tape, which is his voice saying, 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:06.640 quote unquote, Okay, bitch, we both know what you've been 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:08.439 brought here for. I'm going to use you for a 1:10:08.520 --> 1:10:10.519 sex slave, and it's going to be painful as hell. 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:11.800 That's the way I want it to be. 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:14.479 End quote. So so scary. 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:19.120 Three days later, she waited until Ray had gone to work, 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:21.920 and then she found the keys. The keys were just 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:24.400 like left on a table that she could reach, and 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:28.680 she unlocked her chains. Out why she sounds like, well, 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:31.240 she was there with Cindy. Cindy Hendy, this girlfriend was 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:33.519 supposed to be watching her, so I don't know if 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:35.439 he paid attention to where he left the keys, because 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:36.720 he's like, oh, I've got someone watching her. 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:37.880 I don't know. It seems nuts. 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:39.640 Maybe she figured out a way to like move a 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:42.600 table closer when Cindy wasn't watching. I don't know, but 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:46.439 she noticed Vigil trying to escape, and a fight ensued. 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.920 Hendy tried to stab She broke a lamp over Cynthia 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:55.720 Vigil's head, and she stabbed her with an ice pick, 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:57.679 but then Vigil got the ice pick back from her 1:10:57.760 --> 1:10:59.760 and stabbed her in the neck with an ice pick. 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:01.599 Fucking yeah, and she escaped. 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:05.559 She escaped completely naked, wearing only the iron slave collar 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:08.519 and padlocked chains that were like around her, and she 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:11.360 ran to the road looking for help, which she got 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:14.000 from a nearby homeowner who took her in, comforted her, 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:18.080 called the police, and her escape obviously led officials to 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:21.840 the trailer and instigated the capture of Ray and his accomplices. 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:26.040 Police stopped Ray and Hendy, they found them. Ray was 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:30.040 taken to jail, and after the publicity surrounding the arrest, 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:35.200 another victim, Angelica Montano, came forward. Angelica said that Cindy Hendy, 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:37.599 the same woman girlfriend of Ray's, had invited her over 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:40.439 to Ray's house, where the couple then repeatedly raped and 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:43.519 tortured her over the course of four days. She was 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:45.280 convinced they were going to kill her, and she begged 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:47.160 for her life and told them she had a young child, 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:50.320 which seemed to touch the woman, So I guess that's 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.400 how they let her go. And she was picked up 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:55.519 while hitchhiking by an off duty deputy and he thought 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:58.080 her story was so nuts that he didn't believe her, 1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:04.160 So there's another police officer not believing someone. 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:05.800 Ray had a. 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:09.320 Video that they found when they searched his place of 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.519 a woman named Kelly Garrett, which dated from nineteen ninety six. 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:14.000 This is nuts. 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:17.720 Garrett was found alive in Colorado after police identified a 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:20.920 tattoo on her ankle. She testified that she'd gotten too 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:22.680 a fight with her husband and decided to spend the 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:26.080 night playing pool with friends. When she's out playing pool, 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:30.400 she meets Jesse Ray's daughter, who knew Garrett. They meet up, 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:32.760 then she takes her to the Blue Water Saloon and 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:38.240 true her consequences, then drugs the beer she's drinking, and 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:41.639 Garrett remembers walking out to the parking lot and suffered 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:45.720 a blow from behind which knocked her unconscious. Then Ray 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:47.840 took her back to the trailer, attached a dog collar 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:50.519 and a leash to her neck, and she woke up 1:12:50.560 --> 1:12:52.720 and blacked out several times during the two days of 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:56.360 torture and drugging. So then when he was getting rid 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:59.360 of Kelly, he slashed her throat open and thought that 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.000 he had killed her, and then dumped her on the 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:04.600 side of the road, and she actually survived and she 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:07.280 was treated for her injuries at a local clinic. Her 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:09.920 husband didn't believe her story, The police did not believe 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.519 her story. Her husband thought that she had just been 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:14.479 cheating on him the night she was attacked, and he 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.439 ended up like divorcing her, And since she was completely 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:19.439 unable to remember what happened to her, I think because 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.120 of all the drugging, she never reported the incident. 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:23.880 And that happened to nineteen ninety six. 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:26.160 Which was three years before Vigil was abducted, and who 1:13:26.200 --> 1:13:29.160 knows how many girls in between. It's just like, when 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:31.920 the story is so crazy, wouldn't that be reason to 1:13:31.920 --> 1:13:34.880 be like, oh, no, one could make this up, Like 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:40.240 I the fuck everybody? Yeah, it's so Yeah, it's infuriating, 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:44.439 and Jesus, I don't know why there wouldn't be at 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:48.200 least an investigation. But I mean maybe because I'm not 1:13:48.200 --> 1:13:50.040 trying to play devil's advocate for the cops at all. 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:53.040 But I'm like, maybe because they're drugged that their details 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.080 don't make as much sense or something, and yeah, but 1:13:55.120 --> 1:13:57.240 that's the points. Girls on fucking drugs. 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:58.160 Yeah, I don't know. 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:01.080 Yeah, if someone is drugged or they're on drugs, it 1:14:01.120 --> 1:14:04.160 does not negate what happens to me there is nurse. Yeah, 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.240 I just don't think there's any sort of excuse or 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:11.599 reasoning for a cop not to investigate an active like. 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:15.479 Complaint and something so fucked up like someone kept you 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:18.080 hostage for days, Like, I just don't think. 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:21.639 Like, wouldn't it be better to just make sure it's fake, Like, oh, 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.320 you know what, I'm gonna dot my eyes, cross my 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:27.519 t's and make sure there's not a torture fucking trailer 1:14:27.560 --> 1:14:28.120 in my town. 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:32.640 Right. Oh, this bitches on drugs? Okay, what? Yeah, I 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.759 guess why a lot of victims are on drugs. 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:38.080 I don't think like cop people are listening to us anymore. 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:40.519 They've made it clear they're not a fan of what 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.439 we say. But it's like, if you are someone that 1:14:43.520 --> 1:14:45.519 it does not see what's happening, Like, how do you 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:49.719 listen to our podcast case after case hear how terrible 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:52.240 police are from state to state in Canada. 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:55.800 We've done crimes all over and it's just like, yeah, 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:57.400 they don't investigate. 1:14:58.160 --> 1:15:01.960 Yeah, it's it's it's while that multiple of these women 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:07.120 were just basically denied by the cops, not even just 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:10.080 just one woman Kelly, Like they didn't believe Angelica Montano either, 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:13.320 Like luckily they believed fucking Cynthia because she wandered into 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:17.640 traffic and fucking with a slave caller on her And 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:20.439 then there you can kind of deduce that she's telling 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:21.400 the truth, that something. 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:22.160 Fucked up happened to her. 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:25.400 I'm sure they even talked about like maybe she liked that, yeah, 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:27.599 and now she's just regretting it, yeah. 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:30.479 Because she's a sex worker. So there's like, you know, 1:15:30.520 --> 1:15:32.120 they love to deny sex workers. 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:33.000 There's truth. 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:38.880 Now aside from Cindy Hendy and the daughter Jesse. That's 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:43.400 when they discover Dennis Yancey as an accomplice. Yancey admitted 1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:47.880 to strangling his former girlfriend Marie Parker after Ray had 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:50.960 kidnapped and tortured her, but he claimed Ray made him 1:15:51.000 --> 1:15:54.840 do it and after that murder. Ray also admitted to 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:58.960 having accomplice, allegedly having accomplice named Billy Bowers, a previous 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:03.040 business partner who murdered but the FBI sent hundreds of 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:07.760 agents to examine raised property and surroundings, and no identifiable 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:10.960 human remains were found, but it's thought commonly that he 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:14.240 killed at least fourteen women, but like I also read 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.519 in an article that he knew how to sort of. 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:20.600 I read it as evisceraate a body so that it 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:22.479 would sink to the bottom of a lake, like so 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:24.360 that there's ways that you can make it so that 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:27.000 the body won't pop back up and stuff. And the 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.920 lake that was near where he lived was like very 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:32.240 very deep, so it's possible that they were there. I mean, 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:35.160 they did drown. They did like search to lake at 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.240 one point, but there's parts where it's super super deep. 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:39.200 So I don't know how he got rid of these bodies, 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:40.320 but there's no fucking way. 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:42.960 This guy is not a murderer and has not murdered people. 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:48.400 And they said one woman remained uncertain that her recollections 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:51.120 of abuse were anything but nightmares until she was contacted 1:16:51.160 --> 1:16:53.320 by the FBI, and after questioning. 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:56.000 She remembered more and more, which is crazy. 1:16:56.680 --> 1:17:00.759 That's kind of like what happened in uh smut, where 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:03.320 like I kind of remember that this man raped me, 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:07.879 but the scopolamine situation stopped them from creating new memories. 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:12.240 So basically Ray's attacks were separated into three trials. I 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:15.280 don't really understand why it's not clear why they separated 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:17.640 him into the into all these trials instead of just 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:20.160 trying him for all three at once. But for Cynthia 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:23.200 Vigil the woman who escaped, at first there was a 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:25.599 mistrial and then there was a retrial, and with the 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:29.720 retrial he was convicted on all twelve counts. Angelica Montano 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.599 sadly died before her trial and there was no conviction, 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:36.719 and then Kelly Garrett Ray agreed to a plea bargain 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:39.719 so that actually didn't have to go to trial either way. 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.120 Ray was sentenced in two thousand and one to two 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:44.920 hundred and twenty four years in prison in two thousand 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:48.000 and one. In two thousand and two, he told the 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:51.080 FBI he wanted to cooperate and claimed to have abducted 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:54.320 about forty women and was like, come, come question me, 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:56.720 I'll tell you everything. So they arranged to have him 1:17:56.800 --> 1:18:00.000 questioned by the state police on May twenty eight and two. 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.479 He was taken to Lee County Correctional Facility in Hobbes, 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:06.200 New Mexico, but died of a heart attack before the 1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:10.519 interrogation took place. So this motherfucker only was in jail 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:13.360 for one year for all these crimes and then died 1:18:13.400 --> 1:18:15.400 of a heart attack before he could give them all 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:18.719 this information that would have given closure to probably tons 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:20.640 of people that are missing their loved ones that have 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:26.360 gone missing. So so fucked up and unfair. His daughter, 1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:28.960 Jesse Ray, was tried for kidnapping, got two and a 1:18:29.000 --> 1:18:31.320 half years in prison in five years of probation. That 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:34.640 I think that's sort of nuts that that's what she 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:37.880 got when she lured people. Maybe she was able to prove, 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:41.120 like prove that she was abused and under his control too, 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:41.720 or something like. 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:44.240 I don't know. This seems like so fucking not a 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:46.519 long time in prison for sure. 1:18:47.240 --> 1:18:50.800 Dennis Roy Yancey was convicted of the strangulation murder of 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:53.960 Marie Parker. He served eleven years in prison and then 1:18:54.080 --> 1:18:55.040 was released on parole. 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:55.880 I don't know why. 1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:58.639 And he violated his parol and went back to serve 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:01.599 the rest of his original scent until this year twenty 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:04.720 twenty one. So I think Dennis Yancy is either out 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:07.839 or about to be out. In two thousand, Cindy Hendy, 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:12.599 who was his accomplished girlfriend, testified against him and received 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.320 a sentence of thirty six years for her crimes. She 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:19.120 was scheduled to get parole in twenty seventeen, and she 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:22.080 actually was kept an extra two years in jail and 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:24.720 was released in twenty nineteen after serving two years of 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:26.720 her parole in prison. I didn't know you could serve 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:27.880 parole in prison, but. 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:31.600 This is this kind of sentencing and what's going on 1:19:31.720 --> 1:19:34.320 here is what makes me so mad about the Nashawn 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:35.080 Williams case. 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:35.400 Again. 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:38.080 You know, like we have this person who did bad 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:42.519 things obviously stats stray, rape and like not telling me. 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:46.280 But it's like this man strangled his girlfriend to death 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:48.000 and got eleven years. 1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:50.160 And then was allowed back out onto those streets. But 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.560 Nashawn Williams is being held indefinitely. 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:57.680 Yeah, so that's why that case, Like, it's so fucked up. 1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:01.600 This is horrifying. Yeah, this case is super super fucked up. 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.120 But it's clear that the episode got like a lot 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:07.960 of the ideas for this, like torture room of the Woodsman, 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:10.679 from this killer, the toy box killer. 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:13.719 And yeah, I'm glad they didn't get their police work 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:20.080 ideas from here because they just would have said, nah, no, thanks, well, 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:25.519 stay fund. We do have a palette cleaning cleansing. We 1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:26.599 have an amazing guest. 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:31.479 I would say, a huge get I'm excited, so stay tuned. 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:42.800 Today's guest is a really huge moment in my life. 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:47.360 I would say, I was really excited that we got her. 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:49.920 That's a clue. Yeah. 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:53.320 You guys, though, may know her from the movie Traffic 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:58.040 Swim Fan, the Banger Sisters, or as Julia Braverman Graham 1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:00.760 on the show Parenthood. You can catch her coming up 1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:03.840 on the Disney Plus movie Cheaper by the Dozen coming 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:06.840 out next year. It's a remake, but if you watch 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:09.439 today's episode, you know her as special Agent Lauren Cooper. 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:13.840 Please dive into our chat with the legendary Erica Christensen. 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:18.480 So I'm a huge parent her person. I'm a Braverman fanatic. 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.160 I watched it all well, I didn't watch the last 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:21.960 few episodes because I knew what was going to happen 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:23.000 and I wasn't ready for it. 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:25.120 So I still think it and yeah, I couldn't take it. 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:28.040 And so I just can't believe we're talking to you. 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.559 But in terms of Parenthood, you know, Mae Whitman also 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:32.400 did an svo. 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.040 Yes, I heard about that, you know what. 1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:37.679 I haven't seen that one either, but they I feel 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:41.479 like mine and hers always replay at the same time, 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:43.559 like the same night. 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:47.880 Maybe they're doing a Parenthood marathon. People do they do that? 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:52.519 Yeah, maybe they're doing like cheeky little ludge to us. 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:55.360 Yes, So I guess we'll start from the beginning. We're 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.680 assuming this was an offer only, no auditions. 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:04.200 Wait, that's so funny, because yes it was. 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:08.520 But I have like a weird thing about that because 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:14.280 when I audition and I get a job, then I like, 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:18.000 I feel like I've earned it, you know, obviously they 1:22:18.080 --> 1:22:19.760 hired me for a reason, and I know what I'm 1:22:19.800 --> 1:22:22.720 doing with this character and everything, and we're good to go. 1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:28.400 And sometimes when it's an offer only. I've talked to 1:22:28.479 --> 1:22:31.719 Michael Rosenbaum about this two on his podcast, where we're like, yeah, 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:34.160 sometimes it takes you a second to be like, wait, 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:36.960 what am I do? I know what I'm doing here, 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:40.160 and it's not like you can just play yourself or 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:42.559 some idea like no, okay, so this chick is an 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:43.439 FBI agent. 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:47.320 I'm like cool. I'm literally like, how many years of school. 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:48.040 Do you have to do? 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:48.800 Like? 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:51.680 And and when I. 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:54.840 Got to set too, they were like, oh, yeah, you're fourteen, 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:58.160 And I was like torn between the. 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:01.719 Fact that that is, I think a compliment, but also 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:05.400 what am I? Am I right for this role? You know, 1:23:05.479 --> 1:23:06.559 like can I pull this off? 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:09.160 You pulled it off, you definitely did. 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:13.439 I remember. I remember also getting getting shit like on 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:15.880 the first day, like are you chewing gum? And I 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:19.559 was like no, I'm uh no, I guess I'm like 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:21.280 nervously like cheering on my tongue. 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:25.880 Okay, don't do that. Okay, that actually was the character. 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:28.880 Choice, but that one's gonna go cool cool. 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:33.040 And I'm sure like the severe ponytail and the type 1:23:33.040 --> 1:23:35.639 thing got you more into character, and like the outfits too, 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:38.040 because those are some like pulled back butns. 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:43.960 Yes, and the weight of like having a gun and 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.839 even just a badge on my belt was different. 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:49.160 I was like, whoa, now your badge was so cool. 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:51.720 It was we talked about it because it was I've 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:53.400 never seen a badge on an outfeel like that was 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:55.880 like sideways, it was like slipped on in a really 1:23:55.960 --> 1:23:59.479 cool way. So, yeah, you were the only one who 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:04.400 had a side badge. And did you know Marishka anyone 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:06.840 from the the crew. 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:09.479 No, I've never met anyone. 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:10.680 Wow. Wow. 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:11.960 She was so. 1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:19.160 Comfortable there obviously, and she knew what she was doing, 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:22.600 so she was so stable, you know, and she I 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:27.439 think saw me kind of having these moments of like what, okay, 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:28.519 abandoned my character. 1:24:28.600 --> 1:24:31.479 Note cool, I'm too young for this role. Okay, awesome, 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:32.320 let's do this. 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:36.080 You know, like found me being like wow, all right, 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:39.720 new to the show, and she just like invited me, like, oh, 1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:42.200 come to my come to my room at lunch or something, 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:45.840 and we sat and chatted and she was so kind 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:46.439 and so. 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:51.680 Just gracious about about having me there and helped me 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:54.599 feel more comfortable. It was awesome. 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:58.040 You brought out really good performances in each other. It 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:01.599 seems like, I mean, you guys really had an awesome 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:02.280 back and forth. 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:09.920 Yeah, and obviously with the final the the climax of 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:14.360 the show there it was. It was so cool and 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:18.640 so and so emotionally charged for us. 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:20.920 Did you have to train how to get the gun 1:25:20.920 --> 1:25:23.519 from behind that fast or was that a double or what? 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:23.800 Like? 1:25:23.840 --> 1:25:25.240 That was fast fast move? 1:25:25.400 --> 1:25:25.439 No? 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.719 Oh, it was that was just me I think because 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:32.519 that since that was all you were really going to 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:36.599 see was the gun coming up, they were just like, great, 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:37.599 just get the gun up. 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:42.320 Well, that whole episode honestly was very felt a little 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:45.120 bit more like a movie than the regular, like inn 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:47.080 a regular episode of the show. Like, I mean, I'm 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:48.920 obsessed with Silence of the Lambs, so I draw a 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.080 lot of parallels. But I felt like obviously the young 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:54.800 FBI agent and the serial killer and all this was, 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:57.519 you know, it definitely gave me the Silence of the 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:00.840 Lamb's vibe, and I was, yeah, I don't know what 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.320 made it such a different feel to the episode, Maybe 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:05.120 just because there was this like second, you were the 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.120 secondary character that was just alongside Mersca the whole time, 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:09.599 But how did you. 1:26:09.560 --> 1:26:10.840 Get Like how did what? 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:12.360 I mean, I know you said you like looked up 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:13.920 how long it takes to like go to school to 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:15.639 be an FBI egent and stuff like that. But like 1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:18.960 she was so intense and she's like from the foster 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.760 care system and has this like hard exterior like how 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:24.640 did you? But then also is very emotionally moved by 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:27.840 all the torture that she's seeing, So like, how did you? 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.839 I don't know, how'd you do that? What's my question? 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:33.880 Good question? 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:38.800 I It's funny because from the moment you meet her, 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:45.519 she's already having to put up this deceitful front, yes, 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:49.439 but at the same time, all of her emotions are 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:53.479 so raw and so real, and but she's like trying 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:56.280 to be a hard ass about it, right, I felt 1:26:56.280 --> 1:26:59.479 like the deceit of her just kind of being like, 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:02.800 I need everybody to be on my team right now, 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:06.240 just so we can get my mission done, even though 1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:09.800 it's not exactly they think they're kind of solving one 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:13.559 aspect of it and I'm interested in another aspect of 1:27:13.600 --> 1:27:15.560 it because they don't know that I actually off to 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:19.360 this guy. You know. That whole thing, I think is 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:24.040 what was playing off of her feeling like, yes, I 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:27.360 may look like I'm fourteen, but I have legitimate authority 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:33.520 and I'm educated as hell, and so just don't mess. 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:35.759 With me, like I actually know what the fuck I'm doing. 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:37.240 And that was where. 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.439 Marishka actually gave me an amazing piece of advice too. 1:27:41.439 --> 1:27:44.639 You know, sometimes you know something, but it takes someone 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:48.640 expressing it, like when they actually articulate it in words. 1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:50.320 And you're like, yes, okay. 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:55.040 And it was an acting tip with regards to this 1:27:55.200 --> 1:28:00.960 character who is a person of authority. She said, you know, 1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:03.439 when we're like questioning somebody and I've got a picture 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.759 like have you seen this person? I was like shaking 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:10.320 the photo because I was getting upset, and she was like, 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:14.680 the power is in the stillness, and I was like, 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:19.200 of course it is okay, So just literally don't be 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:23.200 shaking the paper in the face of this person, hold 1:28:23.320 --> 1:28:25.280 up the picture and keep it there. 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:29.200 And it was just like click. You know, it all 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:29.840 makes sense. 1:28:31.400 --> 1:28:33.599 Were you ever scared on set, Like did that torture 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:35.320 room look as scary as it does on the show 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:37.160 or is it really much like this is a set 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.720 and I know it, or was it scary and the 1:28:40.800 --> 1:28:43.320 video playing with the girl like did it bring up 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:45.479 any scary feelings when you would leave set or being 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:46.600 on that set? 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:47.519 I don't think so. 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:51.400 I think it's that's the benefit of like being on 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:53.559 a set is you can look at something that would 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:57.479 otherwise be terrifying and just like I guess you. 1:28:57.520 --> 1:28:58.360 Just know it's fake. 1:28:58.640 --> 1:29:01.800 It's like, you know, can you imagine if you had 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:06.520 seen that footage that's on SVU and it was a documentary, 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.920 it'll be so traumatic. 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.479 Yeah, But just to have. 1:29:11.560 --> 1:29:13.280 That little bit like in the back of your mind 1:29:13.280 --> 1:29:14.760 of the context of like, oh, yeah, this is a 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:17.479 show that I love and it's clearly done by actors, 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:21.080 and it's it's based on true stories, but it's this 1:29:21.120 --> 1:29:23.960 is not really happening right now. That was my feeling. 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:27.400 I was like, yeah, thisiss is fucked up, but I 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:28.320 don't know a good story. 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:32.840 Yeah, yeah, I have a question about that scene where 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:36.519 like Marishka is gonna first's first confronting you sort of 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:39.160 with like the photos of you that kind of prove that. 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:40.320 You're behind all of this. 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:45.320 You're I don't know, the character's just so like playing chess, 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:47.080 like okay, your move, Like what are you going to 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:47.519 ask me? 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:49.880 And I just like, did you guys like. 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:52.559 Talk about that in advance or like what the vibe 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:54.280 was going to be because it was really intense because 1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:56.240 you guys had had this like kind of like sweet 1:29:56.280 --> 1:29:59.920 like friendship almost like where even though you're an f 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:02.599 agent and she's a cop, she's teaching you all these 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:03.040 ways to. 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:05.760 Deal with victims and stuff because you don't really do that. 1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:09.280 And then in that scene it was kind of like 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:12.600 she's bummed because she really liked you, so like I 1:30:13.560 --> 1:30:15.360 kind of love that scene and I was just. 1:30:15.680 --> 1:30:19.200 Yeah, like thought that they were I feel like Olivia 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:21.600 Benson was like, Oh, I've met my a friend. This 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:23.920 is gonna be my bitch and the FBI and we're 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:27.080 gonna like solve crimes together. Like that's part of the 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:28.200 heartache I think at the. 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:30.679 End too, where she was just like that's me or 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:33.120 like that, yeah, they were the same. 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:35.559 I don't know for real, And that's well, that's the 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:40.080 whole that's ultimately the whole point is like, don't let 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:44.080 this happen to you, because you live in this world 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:47.200 and it can happen to you because when you're just 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:48.120 too close to it. 1:30:48.200 --> 1:30:48.439 You know. 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:52.840 As far as that interrogation scene, what's interesting is that 1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:57.920 they both aside from what was really happening, they both 1:30:58.880 --> 1:31:04.280 genuinely connect and had hopes for the future of this friendship. 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:08.960 You know, had she gotten away with it, that might 1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:12.679 have just been a nice friendship. You know, she's too 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:16.880 Benson's too smart. You can't you can't actually like be 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:19.960 friends with somebody that's going to discover what you've done. 1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:22.880 But yeah, but in the meantime for them to have 1:31:22.920 --> 1:31:26.400 really connected it and like, oh, here's here's a young 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:30.080 smart girl. I see something of myself and her, and 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:34.479 we're passionate and but she doesn't have the real you know, 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:39.360 the like the street experience, and so all of. 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:40.120 That was so nice. 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:44.439 But I think I think what's interesting is just like 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:46.960 the arrogance. 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:50.360 Of all right, you caught me, but like prove it, 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:53.599 you know, and yeah. 1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:57.519 You know what what what really happens now? Because I 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:01.519 did what I thought was to justify thing, and then 1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:04.920 her conscience catches up with her clearly. But like they 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:08.120 just that just you know when somebody, when somebody first 1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:11.240 starts to get caught, and they just dig their heels 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:13.080 in and they. 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:14.639 Like lie even harder. 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:18.960 Oh yeah, that's like yeah in real life when you 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.280 watch interrogation, and yeah, they just dig in. 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:23.439 You're right, They just at first they are like whoa, 1:32:23.479 --> 1:32:25.160 what are you talking about? And then within the hour 1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:26.880 they're like, okay, here's how I did it. 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:32.000 Yeah yeah, but it's all yeah, it's like you know, 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:34.120 as far as the chess game, right, it's like prove 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:38.720 that you're worthy, You're you're a worthy opponent here. Yeah, 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:41.040 I'm not just gonna give it to you, like I'm 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:43.040 smarter than you. 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:44.400 You need to earn it here. 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:45.840 That's so true. 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:47.720 Yeah, because an FBI is not going to come in 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.320 and be like you got me? Like she is like, 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:52.440 all right, show me what you got, like, lay your cards. 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:52.920 Out on the table. 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:55.679 Yeah, and what do you get recognized the most from? 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.200 Do people yell swim fan at you in the streets 1:32:58.280 --> 1:32:58.519 or what? 1:33:01.520 --> 1:33:01.880 Before? 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:05.160 I think before Parenthood it was swim fan the most, 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:06.840 and people would like. 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:09.080 Across the boards. I don't know where. 1:33:08.800 --> 1:33:11.120 This phrasing came from, but people would be like, you're 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:17.919 a bad girl. Okay, clearly that's that's thing with regards 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:20.720 to Madison Bell, I guess, but cool. 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:22.759 Nice to meet you. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:27.040 You're a bad girl. Yikes. Yeah, it does also sound 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:28.560 like a little creepy. 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:33.680 Yeah, like like a come on, yeah. 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:36.800 I think Parenthood now would be the biggest thing. 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:41.920 Swim fan changed everything because now that's that, like, that's 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:42.439 a genre. 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:42.680 To me. 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:44.360 If I see something like it, I'm like, oh, it's 1:33:44.360 --> 1:33:45.320 a swim fan moment. 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:46.479 Amazing. 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:54.200 I didn't I didn't know that until recently. At that time, 1:33:55.320 --> 1:34:00.400 all teen movies were like romantic comedies or just kind 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:03.120 of like straight up kookie comedies like American Pie. 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:07.280 Yeah, and what's what's that movie with Rachel Lee Cook 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:08.360 and Freddie Prince. 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:10.639 You and she's all that yeah, I can't. 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:14.479 Yeah, I feel like American Pie can't hardly wait. She's 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:17.200 all that was like, it was really the vibe. 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:21.439 And so to change things up so dramatically and be 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:26.479 like this is now teen movies, Territory, Smith Fan and. 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:29.759 A heist movie. 1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:34.880 I actually didn't realize how out of the box they 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:37.560 were for the time, and I'm like, I'm newly appreciating 1:34:37.600 --> 1:34:38.200 them myself. 1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:41.320 I'm like, that's that's really cool. Yeah we did something. 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:44.960 Well, I have one more, really really inane question that 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:47.160 has nothing to do with anything, but I was looking 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:48.840 you up and I was like, oh, her Twitter is 1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:50.599 Erica Jane, And I was like, do you know about 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:53.200 Erica Jane Girre already the housewife of Beverly Hills. 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:55.000 Oh no, I thought you were gonna ask me about 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:56.160 Erica Jane the porn star. 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:58.960 Oh okay, Well, look there's a couple of people. 1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:03.320 I did not know about, the real housewife of Beverly Hills. 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:05.320 I a, maybe you should change my handle. 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:07.280 Well, she's in the news right now. 1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:08.960 She's in the news right now because she's married to 1:35:08.960 --> 1:35:11.880 a huge lawyer and he's getting busted for embezzling. All 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:15.200 these funds from like widows and orphan children and sit 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:18.080 and stuff, and she is being like kind of dragged 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:20.080 into it that maybe she knew, And I was like, 1:35:20.120 --> 1:35:22.800 people are so stupid on Twitter, Like people came for 1:35:23.160 --> 1:35:25.240 Rachel Ray when they meant to come for Rachel Roy 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:27.160 after Beyonce made that song. So I was like, I 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:29.760 wonder if people are coming for Erica Christiansen being like. 1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:32.800 You dumb bitch, you stole money from orphans and You're like, 1:35:32.880 --> 1:35:33.800 I'm in parenthood. 1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:37.800 Like I was just wondering, but clearly it hasn't been 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:38.800 a problem for you on Twitter. 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:40.720 I just thought it would be a fun nation with 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:44.080 this porn star. It seems like, yeah, well listen. 1:35:44.160 --> 1:35:46.320 I mean I don't have my notifications on, but I 1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:48.000 mean I could do it. 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:51.200 No, if you want to get into true crime on Hulu, 1:35:51.360 --> 1:35:54.760 there's a special on this housewife and lawyer the guy 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:58.639 lawyer her well now ex husband. He is the lawyer 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.840 that Aaron Brockovich works for. Like that's who it's based on, 1:36:01.960 --> 1:36:05.400 is this guy. And so he does these giant claim 1:36:05.560 --> 1:36:08.840 like a class slash. Yeah, and so it's like plain 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:12.360 victims and burn victim and he stole like millions of 1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:16.280 dollars and then on the Housewives though she's buying chagalls 1:36:16.479 --> 1:36:19.760 and spends fifty thousand dollars a month on glam and 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:22.800 so we are seeing the spending and the FBI took 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:24.920 her shit and she's in a small house now and like, 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:26.160 we don't know what's going to happen. 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:30.400 But oh my god, that's so wild because at what 1:36:30.520 --> 1:36:33.600 point did she become complicit or was she super. 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.559 Naive or like, you know, in the when when. 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:39.679 The relationship started, were they young and she was just like, oh, 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:40.800 he's or you know, she. 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:43.000 Was super young and she was like he's so you know, 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:47.320 grown and self made. Man, I don't know. 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:48.919 That's so awful. 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:50.040 It's just like. 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:53.600 The brazenness, like you know that you're embezzling all this 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:55.479 money and then you're like allowing your wife to go 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:58.400 on reality television where you're going to be under a microscope. 1:36:58.600 --> 1:37:00.360 You're so confident you're not going to get caught that 1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:03.120 you're like, yeah, go parade our wealth on television. That's 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:06.719 just like, to me, that's the audacity to the highest 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:08.599 level that I can't even like believe. 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:11.599 Did you did you? Did you see the last season 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:12.360 of Bosh. 1:37:12.600 --> 1:37:17.200 Yes, she loves I love Bosh, thank you. 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:19.679 I love we love La Stories too. 1:37:20.240 --> 1:37:22.680 Yeah, I love Bosh because it's in La. I mean 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:24.479 I should watch La Stories. What is that? 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:25.360 No? 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:31.360 No, I just mean it as as draups like La Stories. Yeah, 1:37:31.400 --> 1:37:32.639 that's probably a thing too. 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:36.920 But what's the other show? There's another? Is it another 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:41.440 David Kelly show that's set in La? Oh? Oh oh Goliath? 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:43.040 Oh I've never seen that. 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:46.200 Now that that's the whole joke of that series is like, 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:48.200 how is it winning Emmy's when no one has ever 1:37:48.240 --> 1:37:53.720 heard of this show that is the same source material, 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:55.960 the same writers, source. 1:37:55.720 --> 1:37:57.960 Material as Bosh. 1:37:58.160 --> 1:37:58.479 Wow. 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:00.000 You right. 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:04.559 Those characters are half brothers and one's a cop and 1:38:04.600 --> 1:38:09.520 one's a lawyer before Bosh becomes ultimately a private investigator. 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:11.600 But yeah, it's just it's just cool, kind of like 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:14.519 underbelly of Hollywood, not Hollywood the industry lore. 1:38:14.840 --> 1:38:16.200 Yeah, Hollywood the place. 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:17.800 Yeah. 1:38:17.840 --> 1:38:20.200 And yes it is on Amazon. I'm gonna watch it. 1:38:20.400 --> 1:38:24.080 You did it? Yes, yes, no, and then I'm going 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:27.120 to be searching for La Stories for like ten days. 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.320 That was incredible, Thank you, Erica. 1:38:34.680 --> 1:38:36.479 She was so cool and I wish you guys could 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:40.040 have seen her. She's not aged since she was discovered, 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:41.520 and she's so beautiful. 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:46.160 But yeah, an amazing interview and I love her. I 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:48.639 want to be friends. No, life is wild. 1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:50.600 I don't know when you think of these moments to 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:54.360 be talking to her, it's like, really nuts. 1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:57.120 But let's get into our post worn. 1:38:57.320 --> 1:38:59.280 I don't know what we can say we fucking learned 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.840 from this queer episode, because how many times are we 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:04.559 going to be in a situation involving a serial? 1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:05.519 Do you know what I learned? 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:09.439 Even if you escape a torture killer with bruises and 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:11.519 marks and blood all over you, the cops still might 1:39:11.560 --> 1:39:12.120 not believe you. 1:39:12.360 --> 1:39:13.840 Right, So I learned that. 1:39:14.320 --> 1:39:16.479 I learned you could be fully naked and chained up 1:39:16.520 --> 1:39:18.240 and escape and the cops are like, are you sure 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:19.520 you didn't do this to yourself? 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:20.000 Right? 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:23.000 Are you sure you didn't got too drunk at a 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.799 costume party? Yeah? 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:28.880 I am not happy with some of the police work 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:32.679 in this case, but I, you know, love this woman 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:35.479 for fucking stabbing someone with an ice pick and escaping, 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:38.919 Like women are so strong and resilient and can escape. 1:39:40.200 --> 1:39:41.040 What else? Yeah? 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:43.559 I guess maybe escape rooms are more important than we 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:46.360 thought they should rebrand instead of for fun. It's like, well, 1:39:46.439 --> 1:39:50.400 you can you survive? It's like training. Maybe I need 1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:53.479 some escape room training. I don't know what's going to happen. 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:55.800 Yeah, oh, I just tried to joke about escape rooms 1:39:55.840 --> 1:39:56.719 last night at my show. 1:39:57.240 --> 1:39:58.639 Was it a fun night at the show? 1:39:58.760 --> 1:39:59.120 Yeah? 1:39:59.200 --> 1:40:01.200 Oh my gosh, it was really good. When I first 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:02.960 pulled up, there was only a few people there, and I. 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:04.880 Was like, what happened in my show while I was away? 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:05.679 Now? 1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:07.880 And then like by the end there was like seventy 1:40:07.920 --> 1:40:09.080 five people or it was great. 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:10.639 There was a lot of people. It was really good. 1:40:11.120 --> 1:40:14.920 But I learned that even FBI agents think that they 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:17.639 are too smart to be caught, Like I mean going 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:20.120 into an internet cafe. First of all, are there still 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:21.000 internet cafes? 1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:25.599 Oh there's gotta be Yeah, people need to be committing crimes. 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:27.519 When I lived in Italy, this is how long ago 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:28.800 it was, like there was no Wi Fi. 1:40:28.960 --> 1:40:30.560 I had to go to an internet cafe down the 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:33.240 street to check my fucking email every week and just 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:36.040 respond to my family and be like what's going on. 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:37.640 I remember I was like in a fight with one 1:40:37.680 --> 1:40:40.400 of my Italian friends. We were just corresponding over email, 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:43.160 and I was like, gotta go check and see if 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:47.200 she's responded, like paying money to check my email. Can 1:40:47.240 --> 1:40:49.920 you guys imagine this was? Of course, back in nineteen 1:40:49.960 --> 1:40:51.679 seventy five, life was better. 1:40:52.120 --> 1:40:55.800 I hate being CONTs because, like you said, when I'm 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:58.559 on my vacation mode, when I'm out and about, I'm 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:01.240 not responding to anything, like I don't want to look, 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.000 but it makes it see it's like, what the why 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:05.200 didn't you respond to stuff? 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:07.400 And it's like I don't like the expectation. 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:09.280 That I have to I don't think anybody has that 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:10.160 expectation of you. 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:15.479 Good to know I feel about you're writing back. I 1:41:15.479 --> 1:41:17.600 don't think you're dead. I think you're enjoying yourself and 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:18.920 you'll get back to me when you get back to me. 1:41:19.439 --> 1:41:23.360 Yeah, my cousin was her daughter's birthday, and then you know, 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:25.040 I sent her a text and she sent me all 1:41:25.040 --> 1:41:27.639 these photos of the child and I didn't respond for days, 1:41:27.640 --> 1:41:29.160 and then I was like, oh my god, she loves 1:41:29.160 --> 1:41:32.040 polar bears. But like I did like seeing the pictures. 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:34.479 But it's the drunk element too. When you're drunk, you're 1:41:34.520 --> 1:41:38.160 just not remembering what you responded to, what's going on? 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:40.800 Who's texting and speaking of drunk? 1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:43.000 Get back to we had to stop the intro, but 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:44.760 I want to know why you the other story about 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:45.599 why you hate that girl? 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:51.080 She oh, so then she said something, so there was 1:41:51.080 --> 1:41:55.000 like another whatever whatever led to this conversation. But she goes, 1:41:55.400 --> 1:41:59.320 I'm very observant, Like I notice things, and I'm people 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:02.240 watching all the time, and I just like get people. 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:04.960 And in my head, it's like you think you're the 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:07.760 only person people watching. You think you're special. It's like 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:09.759 someone thing that only one who has thoughts or something, 1:42:09.840 --> 1:42:12.360 or like I used to do a joke where I 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:14.080 had a roommate who thought she was like a witch 1:42:14.080 --> 1:42:17.320 because she had deja vu, and it's like, no, no, no, 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:18.440 we're all. 1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:19.120 In deja vu. 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:21.920 We all like feel like, oh I made the right 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:24.840 decision because of energy, Like we're all trying to be 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.960 connected to the universe. But to also think that you 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:32.439 are extra observant. While two comedians who truly communicate to 1:42:32.520 --> 1:42:35.920 strangers nightly and connect with human beings that you do 1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:39.160 not know and make them have an involuntary response, you're 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:41.080 trying to tell me that you. 1:42:40.920 --> 1:42:45.360 Just know about people it's like it just it was wild. Also, 1:42:45.439 --> 1:42:47.000 are you observing that I hate you? 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:50.800 Like she was she observing that you were like disdainful 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:52.360 of her, Like clearly not. 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:54.040 Yeah. 1:42:54.040 --> 1:42:55.960 She just kept trying to talk well because she was 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:58.360 someone that couldn't get tickets to the show because it 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.960 was sold out, but came to the bar next door 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:04.639 anyways to get a bite of him right to get 1:43:04.680 --> 1:43:07.479 but was judging and making fun of all the people 1:43:07.479 --> 1:43:09.920 that came to the show, but still trying to hang 1:43:09.920 --> 1:43:11.760 out with him. So she was very much like, I 1:43:11.800 --> 1:43:14.559 didn't go to the show, but it's like, no, you 1:43:14.680 --> 1:43:16.640 just sat at the bar next door waiting. 1:43:16.400 --> 1:43:18.439 For waiting for the show to let out, like a 1:43:18.560 --> 1:43:21.639 full desperado, okay, judging all these people. 1:43:21.680 --> 1:43:23.400 And then there was just like a situation where I 1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:25.759 was like, oh, I didn't get that vibe from that person. 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:26.880 I felt a different thing. 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:30.000 And she was like, well, I'm like really observant and 1:43:30.080 --> 1:43:35.240 I just really understand people in situations. And I was like, okay, yeah, 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:36.880 now you're I bet you can't. 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:39.160 I'm honestly dying for you to see her again on 1:43:39.160 --> 1:43:40.280 this trip because I want more. 1:43:40.600 --> 1:43:43.040 I want more of this. Oh, I bet you I 1:43:43.040 --> 1:43:44.639 mean it is. 1:43:44.840 --> 1:43:48.479 It is funny being a nop, Like you just see 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:52.120 humanity in like a really funny way. Like that's why 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:56.120 famous people are so fucked. People are frauds. Like we 1:43:56.160 --> 1:43:58.519 met this girl at the pool and like she didn't 1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:00.800 care and then suddenly started following me in Instagram and 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:03.920 change the way she treated me fully, right, you know 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:06.200 what I mean, all of a sudden it was like, oh, 1:44:06.320 --> 1:44:09.200 what's you know? And it's like, oh, but you weren't 1:44:09.240 --> 1:44:12.400 going to treat me like this until you saw check Mark. 1:44:12.479 --> 1:44:15.720 Like that's pretty pathetic for you. Yeah, And just being 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:18.280 at a SOO house is tough because everyone's trying to 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.160 impress each other and I don't know how much of 1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:22.320 it's real. Like I smoked weed with some guy up 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:25.400 on the roof and he I was I mentioned Austin. 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:27.080 He's like, I own a house there, and it's like, 1:44:27.240 --> 1:44:28.000 I don't think you do. 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:30.840 Wait, this is what I was just going to say. Though. 1:44:30.840 --> 1:44:33.120 We forgot to mention that we're going to be in Austin. 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:35.840 Oh yeah we are. We're going to be at Moontower. 1:44:35.880 --> 1:44:36.920 We mentioned, We've said it before. 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:38.519 We don't know our schedule quite yet, but just go 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:41.920 to the moon Tower websites the Moontower Comedy Festival in Austin, Texas. 1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:44.879 It'll say when we're performing, we're both doing stand up separately. 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:47.519 We're doing a lot that's messed up. Live show. It's 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:50.479 going to be amazing. Please, if you don't live in Texas, 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:53.880 tell your friends. We don't want to be We want 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:55.720 to have people. We want to have you know, we're 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:57.759 gonna have a great show. We want people in those seats. 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.000 So tell your friends to come to Moontower please. 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:02.800 But yeah, this guy I was smoking. He was something 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.040 New York. He was Yeah, I own a bunch of 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:09.040 galleries in New York. And it's like, do you Yeah, 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:10.000 what's the name of it? 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:15.320 People are wild? People are wild? And yeah, I mean 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:17.840 I'm sure I've been wild at times too. But it's 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.760 just I love, you know, I love observing people. I 1:45:21.800 --> 1:45:29.640 love being judgmental and figuring stuff out. Okay, let's observe ourselves. 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:33.160 Getting into the what would Sister Peg do segment? This 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:37.360 is our weekly segment where we give you guys resources 1:45:37.479 --> 1:45:40.920 organizations that you can head to to learn more about 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:43.040 what we talked about in today's episode. I don't know 1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:46.120 I didn't really feel like an organization was that like 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:48.320 fit super well with this week's episode. So I just 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:51.240 kind of wanted to give you a resource in case 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:54.759 you're interested in the toy box Killer. If you're super 1:45:54.800 --> 1:45:58.080 into the nitty gritty of horrific serial killings, there's a 1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:01.040 book called Cries in the Desert, The Shocking True Story 1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:04.479 of a Statistic Torturer by John Glatt and that we 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:06.160 have a link to that in our show notes. 1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:11.960 Beautiful and next week's episode will be Mother season five, 1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:15.280 episode three, and we hope you join along watch it 1:46:15.320 --> 1:46:19.360 with us. You know, do your homework, peacock, Hulu, VPN, stick, 1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:21.280 you know the drill, go to the library. If you 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:24.680 have to get on board and I don't know, right 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:25.760 to us on Instagram. 1:46:25.880 --> 1:46:34.480 We'll see you next time. Yeah, right to us. Bye. 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:39.960 That's Messed Up as an exactly right production. 1:46:40.160 --> 1:46:42.040 If you have compliments you'd like to give us, or 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:44.280 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:46.719 at That's messed uppod at gmail dot com. 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:49.439 Follow the podcast on Instagram at That's Messed Up Pod 1:46:49.560 --> 1:46:52.120 and on Twitter at messed Up Pod, and follow us 1:46:52.160 --> 1:46:55.080 personally at Kara Clank and at glittercheese. 1:46:55.240 --> 1:46:57.960 As always, please see our show notes for sources and 1:46:58.040 --> 1:46:58.719 more information. 1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:02.320 Thank you so much to SPU super fan and our 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:05.480 incredible producer, Hannah Kyle Kraton. 1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:08.439 And to our sound engineer and personal hero Analis Nilsson, 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:11.759 and to Henry Koperski for our theme song, to Carly 1:47:11.840 --> 1:47:15.160 Jean Andrews for our artwork. Thanks to our executive producers 1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:19.080 Georgia Hardstar, Karen Kilgarriff, Daniel Kramer, and everybody at exactly 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:19.719 Right Media. 1:47:19.840 --> 1:47:23.839 Listen, subscribe, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:27.240 or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're an advertiser 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:30.599 interested in advertising on our show, go to midroll dot 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:33.080 com slash ads Done. 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:33.960 Done