Speaker 1: O, what up, bro, We're back all the smoke a
Speaker 1: TL man second day and a TIL has been a movie. Man.
Speaker 1: We've just been knock the show out off to show
Speaker 1: out classes right, cooking all classes only right that we
Speaker 1: end this trip on a crazy note, man, playing on
Speaker 1: learning a lot of new words to that. You know
Speaker 1: on this show, somebody used the word that I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I asked what the definition is because you only know
Speaker 1: if you asked. But we got my brother, Man, We've
Speaker 1: been locked in for many ways. It is nine to five. Uh,
Speaker 1: somebody that's always shown me love since I've been in
Speaker 1: the city, and somebody I really look up to, my
Speaker 1: brother T I be in the building. Welcome to all
Speaker 1: the smoke, my love and respect. Appreciate you all for
Speaker 1: heavy man, Thanks for coming. Man. Let's get straight to it, man,
Speaker 1: um just open trap cafe. Um, let's talk about that,
Speaker 1: because I know I gotta pull up there and enjoy
Speaker 1: some of the comedians and the good foods. You got
Speaker 1: gonna tell them about the vibe, right O? Man? Try
Speaker 1: to see the cafe just a place for us, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Just a bad, bad eat, drink smoke.
Speaker 1: Vocals enjoy. You know, I'm trying to enhance the human experience.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what I'm saying. With phones
Speaker 1: and everybody's hands, social media, everybody kind of like, really,
Speaker 1: you know, living life through the lens of a device,
Speaker 1: and ain't nobody really putting this ship down to connect
Speaker 1: with one another anymore. So I'm trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to just do something to encourage that life. House,
Speaker 1: family and life. We all know you big on family
Speaker 1: and uh you know house life and family right now?
Speaker 1: What new projects you got going on? Um Man, families,
Speaker 1: great family, great kids are good. I'm blessed, blessed beyond measure.
Speaker 1: UM project X got a film fear coming at Yeah,
Speaker 1: Terrence J. Joseph's a coorra um Ruby any uh you
Speaker 1: got King Badge? Um just the host of us, the
Speaker 1: host of was that all? And the phenomenal part about
Speaker 1: the story is we all kind of came together and
Speaker 1: invested in the film, so like we we we collectively
Speaker 1: became producers of m as well. UM. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the trap. A lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: what trap is. A lot of people, UM learned that
Speaker 1: we talk about the trap of trap music something to tape,
Speaker 1: so the word trap. So a lot of people confused
Speaker 1: about the trap because it became commercial because a lot
Speaker 1: of people ain't really from the trap. I don't know
Speaker 1: where the word trap started. So could you help explain
Speaker 1: trapp and trap music, the difference between trap and trap music?
Speaker 1: Oh man, the turn trapped to me, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just just passed down kind of from generation to generation. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the first time I heard it in music
Speaker 1: was when Big Boy used it from Outcast, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um? And and basically the trap is
Speaker 1: a drug dealers place of business, you know. Um. Uh
Speaker 1: could be considered a double untendry because you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Essentially, the lifestyle is a trap. Um. But
Speaker 1: it's really well and of course some of the most
Speaker 1: prominent hustlers would like to consider it the place where
Speaker 1: they trapped the money. Um. But trapped music is pretty
Speaker 1: much philosophical presentation set to music, uh, outline and in detail,
Speaker 1: and the life, lifestyle and experiences of a druid deal
Speaker 1: or form a druid deal I mean, and trapp music
Speaker 1: the twent anniversary, uh, this year of trap music, and
Speaker 1: it would not have sustained and and and just had
Speaker 1: the longevity that has had. If it were not so
Speaker 1: many people in this country or in the world, they
Speaker 1: have a similar experience. If there was no war on drug,
Speaker 1: there was no crack, no crack era, then there would
Speaker 1: be no need for trap music. But because of that,
Speaker 1: we are all refugees to the War on drug some
Speaker 1: way shape form of fashion each and never layed one
Speaker 1: of us in the country got somebody who was selling dope,
Speaker 1: smoking dope with the jail for dope, Dad over dope,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we all have a
Speaker 1: come and experience and trapped musically to everybody know that
Speaker 1: they ain't going through it alone. M I've been here
Speaker 1: since two thousand three, so I was still I was
Speaker 1: living on the West Side when it was still banking
Speaker 1: a Hollywood. It's just changed. Not a hollowell now you
Speaker 1: know I've been in a while. Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: childhood on the West Side, Okay, man, Uh just a
Speaker 1: little badass snapperhead light skinning, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, I was very small and you know,
Speaker 1: always uh just inquisitive, always getting in the ship unnecessarily,
Speaker 1: but very small, like in school with academics and stuff,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people always ask like, why can
Speaker 1: you be so small and then getting so much trouble
Speaker 1: at the same time, And I think that that was
Speaker 1: the two became tethered together, probably in kindergarten for grade,
Speaker 1: when you know, when I'm kind of small compared to
Speaker 1: people in the class and ship, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: light skinned, come to school fresh air day, and when
Speaker 1: the teacher calling me to read, I read fluently. So
Speaker 1: there was a lot of hate from that. So I
Speaker 1: had two choices. I could either pre tend to be
Speaker 1: not as smart so you know, yeah, dum damn. Or
Speaker 1: I could show you my time Jesse smart and getting
Speaker 1: just in what trouble is out And I chose the latter,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So they can both of
Speaker 1: both of them, my intellect and my troublesome nature kind
Speaker 1: of grew at the same rate of speed. You got
Speaker 1: a deep history of investing in real estate out here,
Speaker 1: and it seems like a lot of artists do that
Speaker 1: out here. Where does that mindset come from? M hmm,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to say. I think maybe maybe
Speaker 1: all the examples that we've had, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: saying before us, Um, the hustlers that came before us.
Speaker 1: Before there were you know, rappers, entertainers, so on and and
Speaker 1: so forth. You know, there were always people were there
Speaker 1: were number runners, you know what I mean, people send
Speaker 1: a weed out of envelopes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was people who you know, figured out a way
Speaker 1: to subsidize their own lifestyle, you know, outside of the government,
Speaker 1: you feel me. And with those funds, the diversification of
Speaker 1: the portfolio, we just watch what the people before is.
Speaker 1: Did you know before before there was a t I
Speaker 1: buying property over here, it was a que ball, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, buying up all the properties. There
Speaker 1: was a cheeriot, there was a nappy, there was you know,
Speaker 1: just so many o g that we saw. And the
Speaker 1: the natural transition of the natural progression is when you
Speaker 1: get a certain amount of wealth that you've attained, don't
Speaker 1: just let it sit there until you spend it till
Speaker 1: it's gone. Don't just let it sit in the bank.
Speaker 1: Let the white folk trade on your money and make
Speaker 1: money and don't give you but a opinions on the dollar.
Speaker 1: Take their money and put it into something that they
Speaker 1: ain't never making no more dirt. I mean, and uh,
Speaker 1: I really learned from I learned from the examples that
Speaker 1: were set for don't you have I'm hearing something in
Speaker 1: the streets that you did. Um, either Google or a
Speaker 1: big company just brought up one of your properties and
Speaker 1: building something on that. Ain't sold none of my properties. Uh,
Speaker 1: but what we what we do have? And I believe
Speaker 1: Microsoft is coming. And they bought Overlook Overlooking Lona. I
Speaker 1: did not actually own Overlooking Lot. I would have loved
Speaker 1: to have participated in the aosition some kind of way
Speaker 1: shape form of fashion. But now a little further down
Speaker 1: the street, UM, I purchased a piece of land. I
Speaker 1: think in fifteen used to be a kmar in the
Speaker 1: grocery store. By eight and a half now equals. And
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of sitting on the mayor's transition
Speaker 1: team Mayor Keisha Lands Bottoms. And when I did that,
Speaker 1: it kind of put me at the table with a
Speaker 1: lot of heavy developers and and you know real entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: real uh people who run CEOs of corporations like the
Speaker 1: CEO Delta, you know what I mean, people like um
Speaker 1: the legendary Nowhere or Khalil from Columbia Developments. Goddress is
Speaker 1: soul and so me and Killer Mike, we're sitting here
Speaker 1: and we all, you know, we were students, were we
Speaker 1: considered it an internship, if you will, And we learned
Speaker 1: the initiative of the city, like one of the real
Speaker 1: priorities of the city was affordable housing because close to
Speaker 1: the people who work in Atlanta can no longer afford
Speaker 1: to live in Atlanta. UM, and I had an idea
Speaker 1: with the property to probably do something entertainment driven bowl
Speaker 1: and nalege skating ring, you know what I'm saying, something
Speaker 1: like that. But when I sat on that transition team
Speaker 1: and learned of the city's initiatives, I said, well, maybe
Speaker 1: this could be utilized for something that could be more
Speaker 1: beneficial to the community at large. And you know, the
Speaker 1: vision and we kind of developed together, me and my
Speaker 1: team and the city supported it. And you know, we
Speaker 1: just created the camp, the cap table, and we should
Speaker 1: be cutting the ribbon later this year. The yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: mixed use affordable housing, um yeah. Hunting for the three units,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Um. You know with community center, community Garden,
Speaker 1: um got retail space. It's a food there's in the area.
Speaker 1: So what we would love to do and spanned us
Speaker 1: a tenant for a supermarket for fresh produce and so
Speaker 1: for fresh vegetables for for the community to reap the benefits.
Speaker 1: And also a drug store. We need the drug store
Speaker 1: over there for elderly to feel the prescription. We also
Speaker 1: need a banking station. All the banks moved out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, and now that people like Microsoft coming
Speaker 1: back now at it, you know, we got it's clear
Speaker 1: to see that there's some money over him. So we
Speaker 1: need to supply you know, the community with the amenages
Speaker 1: that you deserve. And I'm just trying to do what
Speaker 1: I can. That's a beautiful thing. What was the music
Speaker 1: seemed like growing up out here as a kid, and
Speaker 1: and and and when did music really come into play
Speaker 1: for us as a passion for you mm hm as
Speaker 1: a kid? Music? Uh, let me see. Well, further of all, man,
Speaker 1: Atlanta has always been like just a super like a
Speaker 1: hot bed for tallent you know what I mean, Atlanta
Speaker 1: Georgia life. For instance, Jane Brown from Augusta, but the
Speaker 1: third place he coming is is Atlanta. You know you're
Speaker 1: from Augusta. The third place you're coming to the really,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying do your thing on on
Speaker 1: a grand scale is alana uh oldish ridden you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, you just got so much talent.
Speaker 1: Brick the group brick Um, so many different people man
Speaker 1: came came from the city. But when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: it was all about uh Sammy Sam, Uh Kilo, I
Speaker 1: l yeah n c sha d um a damn shame
Speaker 1: get on my field. Yeah, I mean just the name
Speaker 1: a few. And they opened the doors for you know,
Speaker 1: uh future legends at the time, like Outcasts and good hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, I like to look at it is. I
Speaker 1: say that Kilo and Sammy, Sam kroll so Outcasts and
Speaker 1: good Hm up walk so till Jeez and Gucci karun
Speaker 1: so the future Thug and little Baby could fly sah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's all integral, it all work together. The
Speaker 1: doors that were opened by Shade Kilo and Sammy Sam
Speaker 1: are the doors that benefited Outcast and good m. The
Speaker 1: doors Outcast and good Am open all the doors that
Speaker 1: benefited me and you know the rest and the doors
Speaker 1: that we open, all the doors and benefit just benefiting
Speaker 1: the generation of the day. Um. And I think that's
Speaker 1: just that's just a natural evolution at what age did
Speaker 1: music did you start taking music serious as a you
Speaker 1: knew I can. I can make this a career taking
Speaker 1: it serious. Okay, okay. So the first song I ever
Speaker 1: ever memorized and just like new in my head and
Speaker 1: corrapped word for word was was was Elia cool j
Speaker 1: I'm Bad. So it came out of like eighty five,
Speaker 1: I like four five years old at the time. Right,
Speaker 1: So all my older my older sister's cousins, my uncle's
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, til come do that. Thank you dude,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, oh, nobody can wrapped
Speaker 1: quite like I can. I take a muscle bound man,
Speaker 1: put it facing the center, So I do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I just saw the reaction
Speaker 1: to the gap for me everybody, it was like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That was kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this, and and and there was. I was
Speaker 1: in school, third grade eight. I was getting in trouble,
Speaker 1: getting in trouble all week in school, and my uncle
Speaker 1: told me if I hear from that school again, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna whoop your ad. So we had we had a
Speaker 1: standard artists, you know what I mean. And I always
Speaker 1: finished the test early. But when I finished the TI early,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing paper in, you know what I mean, getting
Speaker 1: another ship. But I knew I had an air whipping
Speaker 1: on the line, so I had to think of how
Speaker 1: it will go, Like you know what I'm saying, occupy
Speaker 1: my time. So I just challenged myself to see if
Speaker 1: I could write my own rap by the time it
Speaker 1: took everybody else to finish the test. So by the
Speaker 1: time they finish the tests at the cafeteria table, I
Speaker 1: did the rap and then I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you did that. I said, yeah, I did that. Do
Speaker 1: another one. So then that night I wrote another one,
Speaker 1: came back playground killed the ass again. This is eight early,
Speaker 1: about eight years old. I wasn't talking about ship, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I'm just putting word together.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't um I will say though, you know that.
Speaker 1: But that's when I found my thing. I mean eight
Speaker 1: years old, I knew this is what I can do.
Speaker 1: Did not many motherfucker's around me, You are able to
Speaker 1: do the way I can um. But it wasn't until
Speaker 1: criss Cross came at Criss Cross ABC illegal, I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't until they came out and I said, oh
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I ain't gotta wait till I'm grown.
Speaker 1: I could do this ship now. I found out Krik
Speaker 1: krawd Will discovered in the Mall by Jermaine dupri became superstars.
Speaker 1: Say man, I'm in the mall every week. The funking
Speaker 1: wrong way, where am I? You know? So that was
Speaker 1: my planing, man, You know what I'm saying. That just
Speaker 1: kind of you know, to to present my talent to
Speaker 1: the world and and you know, share my art and
Speaker 1: speak my truth. That was ever since probably Twitter thirteen.
Speaker 1: At what point did you cut? You feel like you
Speaker 1: kind of break and I really got your first opportunity
Speaker 1: man ship That wasn't until nineteen twenty. I was eighteen
Speaker 1: nineteen something like that. So um quite naturally as a
Speaker 1: kid man twere thirteen, fourteen years old, you're working at something,
Speaker 1: working at something, working at something, you know, going from
Speaker 1: this group of producers, these managers, to traveling to New
Speaker 1: York and you know, shopping your demo with this label,
Speaker 1: this label, this opportunity. You know, people saying, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I think I can get us in. I think I
Speaker 1: can and then you know, just rejection after rejection after rejection.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of got discouraged. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of when I you know, just jump head first into
Speaker 1: the streets probably around fourteen with thirteen fourteen fifteen, kind
Speaker 1: of like many wraps, you ain't gonna work, man, we
Speaker 1: try something ill, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: I started, you know, becoming introduced to people like master P.
Speaker 1: I mean you started researching like Rapp a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean start you know, seeing how people who didn't
Speaker 1: get signed by majors, how they you know, manifested their
Speaker 1: own destiny and became the architects and they you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, they are they future? And so that
Speaker 1: who we did man, Me and me and a group
Speaker 1: of homeboy we just we just hustle and hustle and
Speaker 1: hustle and use the money every week that we hustle
Speaker 1: on Sunday to go to the studio and ship. That's
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of worked that move until they
Speaker 1: until we made it. Two questions, Um, what is your
Speaker 1: writing process like now? Like do you freestyle and punch?
Speaker 1: And second question is do you write down? Second questions,
Speaker 1: what's your studio must have? Like what you gotta have
Speaker 1: in the studio to make that make that hit man. Okay.
Speaker 1: My writing process is you know it, it differs case
Speaker 1: by case, appearing on the type of song. Yeah, pen
Speaker 1: on the type of song. Right, If I'm writing a
Speaker 1: song like uh, like live your life, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying with thought, there's a lot of thought into it.
Speaker 1: And you you know what I'm saying. You really got
Speaker 1: to kind of put your word choose your words carefully.
Speaker 1: I might, like, you know, use my notes, I might
Speaker 1: need put pain in the paper. But if I know
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going in with adult If I know I'm
Speaker 1: going in with adults like me and Currency just did
Speaker 1: a record together, me, Currency and j D, I knew
Speaker 1: he went from to be bullshit. Yeah men, I already
Speaker 1: knew I got to go. I got to come in here,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying on my A game. So
Speaker 1: that was a little bit different. Whereas if I got
Speaker 1: records like Pink. The one you did with Pink was
Speaker 1: crazy with oh yeah that that that that that motherfucker
Speaker 1: came to me. I was going through something at the time.
Speaker 1: I had it on my map. Hey man, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Man, you're talking about juicy, right, Huh,
Speaker 1: the slow one you got with Pink Ship to know
Speaker 1: that she's I don't even remember what the process were
Speaker 1: like at that at that moment in time, Man, I'm
Speaker 1: telling that's like three albums ago. I mean, let me see,
Speaker 1: probably Foe probably four. I think that was my last
Speaker 1: album on Atlantic, probably about four or five. That she
Speaker 1: actually should have been a single. Yeah, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a classic favorite producer to work with doing your career
Speaker 1: early on, Man, I got to say DJ tun DJ
Speaker 1: the first you know, a live producer really the first
Speaker 1: person who had ever been in the music industry you
Speaker 1: know present day that that saw me and took a
Speaker 1: liking and took a chance on me and uh in
Speaker 1: my talent um. Of course, you know over time, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We we our work ethic candid
Speaker 1: changed um. As far as us working together, a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of being this guy in the way, a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. It's just a lot of stuff, but
Speaker 1: we will always remained brothers. I love Tompe I give
Speaker 1: you know, I give whatever I can for him, and
Speaker 1: he would do the same for me. We created classics together,
Speaker 1: like real bona fide classics. That's my doctor, Drake. I'm here,
Speaker 1: Schnoop dogg feel me. Um. But after I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: but uh and included to that afterwards for real became
Speaker 1: the next A list producer that kind of really took
Speaker 1: a chance and invested and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like really really poured energy, information and his efforts into
Speaker 1: into what I had going on. And after that you
Speaker 1: had people like just Blaze Um, Scott Starts. Um Man,
Speaker 1: there's so many and so many I don't even want
Speaker 1: to get, you know, create a list. I leave somebody
Speaker 1: shout out jazzy, Oh, jazzy face got that and see
Speaker 1: how you see what you did that? You know? I know, man,
Speaker 1: you got some classes with jazz here. Yeah, what's one
Speaker 1: of your favorite shities to perform? And besides they, Man,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go overseas, man, Uh, Africa is different
Speaker 1: over there too. I mean yeah, the money is the money,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about the energy from the
Speaker 1: crowd though, you know what I'm saying. Like Kenya, we
Speaker 1: did a showing Kenya not Ruby. If I ain't mistaken, man,
Speaker 1: it was your lit. We did a show intensive knee
Speaker 1: up like man, at least a hundred thousand people for
Speaker 1: the ACTA see um and it was just a different engergy.
Speaker 1: You could tell that, you know, they appreciate it the moment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It wasn't like, man, yeah
Speaker 1: he hear him, It's gonna be another motherfucking his knit
Speaker 1: and another motherfucking hit the money after that, So you
Speaker 1: know it felt special. It just feels you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It feels different. And Jamaica, Jamaica was dope,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, performing this song, uh with I'm serious,
Speaker 1: we're being a man Jamaica and yeah, um, I'm serious.
Speaker 1: Trap music Urban Legend was my one of my all
Speaker 1: time favorite albums, King Paper Trail all two times platinum.
Speaker 1: Where out of those do you have a favorite? Out
Speaker 1: of those? Man? You know, I used to say when
Speaker 1: I asked this question that I don't. I can't pick
Speaker 1: a favorite because they all like children. However, the Liberal
Speaker 1: is my favorite now simply because the Libra is the
Speaker 1: only album or the first album I gotta change to
Speaker 1: work with Matt with my children. You know, we got
Speaker 1: a song on the Libra called Family Connect features my
Speaker 1: son and Domind and my other son Messiah. He produced it,
Speaker 1: demanding performed together reason that they Yeah, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: song we performed Yeah, Yeah, what's that like to to
Speaker 1: see I mean lebron is on the on the track
Speaker 1: to try to play but one of his songs in
Speaker 1: the NBA. I mean you basically did that in your
Speaker 1: in your professional What was it like to be side
Speaker 1: by side by your little man man? It's a phenomenal feeling,
Speaker 1: simply because even for him to take the art as
Speaker 1: serious as he does, and and for me to witness
Speaker 1: his work ethic and witness witness his growth. Um. I
Speaker 1: remember hearing his first songs and I just remember like
Speaker 1: telling them with love, this ain't ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's just you got you got to do
Speaker 1: better this because we only were talking about we're going
Speaker 1: to the mall and you know, walking down with big
Speaker 1: bags and clothes. And I said, man, any bother they
Speaker 1: gonna beat your head. Don't nobody want to hear about
Speaker 1: you bawling in they fail. You gotta find a way
Speaker 1: to relate to people and a commonality, something that y'all have,
Speaker 1: that that brings you together. Don't talk about the one
Speaker 1: thing that separates you. And he took that information and
Speaker 1: he just started he started rapping back how he felt
Speaker 1: school was a waste of time and him wanted to
Speaker 1: go somewhere, but not having the driver license and having
Speaker 1: to with like those are the things that everybody really
Speaker 1: care about. Start rapping by ship, like you know, being
Speaker 1: in the mansion on the weekends and apartments on the weekdays.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of people that think that you know,
Speaker 1: just because he's my son, that he lived with me indefinitely,
Speaker 1: you know, but his mom you know, has had you know,
Speaker 1: majority of the time with him, and it was probably
Speaker 1: I mean, I just with his music is shared light
Speaker 1: on the fact that that was a pretty it was
Speaker 1: a transition going from my house back to it. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, but those are the
Speaker 1: things I think that that when he started speaking on
Speaker 1: those subjects, uh, speaking as a young man expected to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship with a with a you know,
Speaker 1: with a girl like hey man, I'm not really yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean those types of things. I just listened to
Speaker 1: it and respect so much. I find so much value
Speaker 1: in it. So to share stage, share song with him,
Speaker 1: this it's a phenomenal field. You've won three grammars. Um
Speaker 1: looking back at that where you come from, with you accomplished,
Speaker 1: what you continue to accomplish. Is there one that stands
Speaker 1: out more than others when it comes to those three grammars.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that all to me, um Man,
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's it's it's an honor and
Speaker 1: a privilege to be acknowledged and considered amongst the elite, um,
Speaker 1: amongst your peers and constituents, you know what I mean. Um,
Speaker 1: So I value all of them collectively and individually. UM.
Speaker 1: I probably say that the moment that that stands out
Speaker 1: to me, the Grammy moment that stands at is the
Speaker 1: swagger like us performed, Yeah, I mean, which we also
Speaker 1: took home from whole well for that that that that year. Um,
Speaker 1: that to me was like, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's been another moment like that since I was. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was my next question was, I mean, what was
Speaker 1: the creative process like that coming up? I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: that song is you Jay, Wayne, Are you guys all
Speaker 1: on the studio together? So and in versus how is
Speaker 1: that working? Now? Man? I had, like, you know, some
Speaker 1: m unique conditions at the time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That down necessarily allowed me, you know, to make myself
Speaker 1: available for everybody. But what happened was okay, So Um,
Speaker 1: so we're working on the album, um, paper Trail, and
Speaker 1: you know we have a lot of records. This you know, bankers,
Speaker 1: you already got, like what's up was having? We already
Speaker 1: had records like my Life You're Entertainment, We already had
Speaker 1: uh whatever you like, you know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: at the last couple of weeks of the deadline of
Speaker 1: the album is always like you know, one or two
Speaker 1: to just takes the album to another level. So those
Speaker 1: two records that came in the lad minute Swigger like
Speaker 1: Us and Live Your Life, Yeah, I mean three three
Speaker 1: and didn't gone just just some blood, just timber la Um.
Speaker 1: Those records came like in the last two weeks of
Speaker 1: us wrapping the album up. And so initially, man, Kanye
Speaker 1: here J got me to beat when he's simple h M.
Speaker 1: I A's paper Planes, you know, which was a huge,
Speaker 1: huge international hit record at the time. Um, and it
Speaker 1: was just ya excuse me. It was a beat produced
Speaker 1: by YEA and I put three verses on it. And
Speaker 1: then I think g Roberson, who's you know, my A
Speaker 1: and R and would later become my manager. He Um,
Speaker 1: he said, oh yeah, you got a verse. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: bet so then you got me here verse I took
Speaker 1: one of my verses off and then you just listened
Speaker 1: to it and say, you know what to be dope,
Speaker 1: if I could get Wayne and Jail here, I say,
Speaker 1: make the got it right, ain't going to do that.
Speaker 1: And he was like, nah, for real, just let me work,
Speaker 1: Let me work. So you know, we held it so
Speaker 1: for for a long time it was just me and
Speaker 1: Yate on the record, right and in the lead two
Speaker 1: weeks we got all the verses. Yeah, I mean and
Speaker 1: uh that she was just you know it was it
Speaker 1: was unspeakable magic. It was unspeakable. It was magic. You
Speaker 1: could tell, like, you know, this ship I don't not posed.
Speaker 1: This ain't posed to be happening for real. You know
Speaker 1: there's the stars in the moon and landing in my
Speaker 1: favor of the universe is shining down on me the
Speaker 1: way it came together. Yeah, obviously you can make hits
Speaker 1: when they're sent and and your and your conditions don't
Speaker 1: allow you to move freely. When your conditions do allow
Speaker 1: you to move freely, and you're able to get in
Speaker 1: the studio with an artist, explain the difference in the
Speaker 1: energy when you're in there with somebody rather than having
Speaker 1: the sample sent to you with to be honest with you, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you when I was well on house
Speaker 1: arrests and working on the like when I did the
Speaker 1: I guess the the body of the work that that
Speaker 1: that became paper trail. When I did the first like
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen songs when I'm on house arrest, that was
Speaker 1: the most thought I ever put into my lyrics because
Speaker 1: when I can't just say no, why she I'm already
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on supervide release, got all kinds of
Speaker 1: fiends and she you know, looking at so I gotta
Speaker 1: say what I want to say, but be very careful
Speaker 1: in my delivery. Saw a song like What's Up? What's Handing?
Speaker 1: It was very difficult to do. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying because you know this happened when uh I found
Speaker 1: that that that me and Low had some issues. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you so the funny ship ill so
Speaker 1: Lower and I had issue. But because he was upset
Speaker 1: that or he didn't he didn't agree with me not
Speaker 1: getting on a song that he wanted me to get
Speaker 1: on um and he felt like you should just be
Speaker 1: like yo, I asked you to do it you do.
Speaker 1: I'm like NA, but for real, I don't like the song.
Speaker 1: So then, you know, the back and forth led to
Speaker 1: all I will fifty thousand men, and so you know,
Speaker 1: he he kind of took that, you know, he took
Speaker 1: that the ward and cut too. We go to Club Cruiser,
Speaker 1: which is my club time by the way, uh shout
Speaker 1: a low and up and he played bum bum bum
Speaker 1: bum bam bam bam bam bam bam bloom hell the
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and I see him performing that
Speaker 1: ship for the first time. And then I see him
Speaker 1: perform done, done it all, and I say, I leave
Speaker 1: the VFP and go meet him at the stage. I say, Nickeld,
Speaker 1: that's it. Them the ones right there, them the songs,
Speaker 1: and then I got them funk around called a k
Speaker 1: own house of read and find out them sucking songs
Speaker 1: was about to me. I didn't complimented the man, but
Speaker 1: I genuinely liked the right the first songs, you know,
Speaker 1: because I mean I had been counted up, I guess,
Speaker 1: conditioning myself and and and preparing myself lyrically create creatively
Speaker 1: for my moment. So you know what I'm saying, My
Speaker 1: my my opinion and my skin, like my expectation of
Speaker 1: myself was just at a grade level. Right. So some
Speaker 1: ship I just went fucking with and it took people
Speaker 1: like you know, like Low and other people. It took
Speaker 1: them a minute to kind of like catch a stride
Speaker 1: and to get you know, they always Low always had
Speaker 1: the people. But because he really he bought what he said,
Speaker 1: he back and he from where he saved from and
Speaker 1: the whole community knows, you know, so he always had
Speaker 1: the support, but the skill set and the the he
Speaker 1: had to be surrounded with the producers and it just
Speaker 1: had to had to grow into the moment that would
Speaker 1: would allow me to include myself in. Um So when
Speaker 1: I heard those songs, I was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: found your pocket. Yeah, I mean literally did I know?
Speaker 1: Songs directly directly at me. But I never took it
Speaker 1: like really personal. I never took it really personal because
Speaker 1: I understood I understood what what what this represented? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, uh, because you you you you
Speaker 1: you you spent a lot of time on the West Side.
Speaker 1: You understand bank kids is split into sad. When you
Speaker 1: said it must be too sad. Yes, it's the projects
Speaker 1: in the back streets. You see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: lowers from born homes, so you got boring homes. You
Speaker 1: got bank kid caught you got you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like projects his own bank kids, that's yeah, it's gone.
Speaker 1: And told them that you know, you know, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be some nice condominiums. But um, people from the project
Speaker 1: is always historically help you know, looked at people from
Speaker 1: the back streets like, yo, y'all didn't go to for real,
Speaker 1: y'all living in nice houses and ship you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you ain't got no you know. Uh. And
Speaker 1: and people live in the back street like ship, and
Speaker 1: they would be in the same ghetto, you man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just up the street. So it
Speaker 1: is two sides, um. But I understood what that represented, right,
Speaker 1: so I never took it personally. We always maintained the
Speaker 1: mutual respect for one another. Um. And we used to
Speaker 1: just talk on the phone throughout the beef, if you
Speaker 1: were we like we talk on the phone and and
Speaker 1: he say, yeah, yeah, you know I got something for
Speaker 1: you man. I say, man, you know I'm ready for
Speaker 1: it whenever it gets here, right, And you say, see see,
Speaker 1: And I don't like your the only thing you could
Speaker 1: do and I can't do. It's talk. That's all you
Speaker 1: could do. It's talk. I say, well, if that's all
Speaker 1: it takes while you don't learn how to talk, then
Speaker 1: so we'll just go back and forth exchanging with you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, banter on the phone. Uh. But
Speaker 1: I really did respect him, Bro. I respect him because
Speaker 1: because he took his vision and he took the talent
Speaker 1: and capabilities and the things that he had, never mind
Speaker 1: what he didn't, he took what he had utilized it,
Speaker 1: maximized the opportunity and turned it into some legendary ship.
Speaker 1: And I think that's like, you know, of all of
Speaker 1: the beefs and squirmishes and disagreements that I've been in,
Speaker 1: that was my most respectable one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was the one that I really really did respect.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that before he passed we got a
Speaker 1: chance to. You know, he became my neighbor. I was
Speaker 1: getting out of prison. I found out he bought the
Speaker 1: house up the street from me. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm down, I'm working at it's a little so we
Speaker 1: live on a lake. Uh and and it's a point
Speaker 1: where you can put your boat on the lake if
Speaker 1: you don't actually live and got a dock and so
Speaker 1: it's like a little parking level. We used to go
Speaker 1: ranch sprints and work out and ship. So I see
Speaker 1: him pulling in. I see another nigga, you know who
Speaker 1: the funk else is over here looking like this, These
Speaker 1: west side niggas right here. What they're doing over here?
Speaker 1: And I looked my kuders and say, that's low so
Speaker 1: your bullshit? So he see me. I see him, and
Speaker 1: it's like right after I got out of prison, so
Speaker 1: fresh out of whatever the beef was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And and I walked up to him for a thing.
Speaker 1: He said, Man, what's happen? And welcome home? And you know,
Speaker 1: we dapped up, just start talking about fatherhood, talking about yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And you know we was
Speaker 1: We were solid from that point forward. Mentioned a few names.
Speaker 1: You tell me the impact of Atlanta and some of
Speaker 1: the favorite projects from these people out casts man, legends
Speaker 1: like goats, I could they are they are the Pitacle,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's the holy Grail. You
Speaker 1: did favorite I don't know, man, the whole discography. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go. I'm gonna go with the first
Speaker 1: with Southern players. Listen, I'm gonna do I mean, that's everybody, yeah,
Speaker 1: to change to change man. That's that's, that's, that's that's
Speaker 1: one of the most uh prolific businessman. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was a Benny man before it was
Speaker 1: a round. You know, were't gonna speak too much of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I bro was in
Speaker 1: the studio before he were recording in the students. Uh.
Speaker 1: And again, Hustler's mentality took what he had, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and turned it into an empire. And
Speaker 1: that's just you know, you can't say enough about that.
Speaker 1: That's you know that that that level of I guess
Speaker 1: tenacity should be acknowledging and and hell in high regard
Speaker 1: future um present day. I can like he's basically taking
Speaker 1: everything that everybody else before him has done for the
Speaker 1: city and putting an exclamation on top of you know,
Speaker 1: and he's doing it. He's doing it and presently in
Speaker 1: grand fashion with with with with hits, you know, with numbers, touring,
Speaker 1: you know, and and you know, just the the leadership
Speaker 1: of a whole generation, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: and she is beautiful to see one of this name
Speaker 1: up and to said, I wish I would have could
Speaker 1: have got a mixed tape of something from y'all. Jess h.
Speaker 1: Every time y'all get together, it's over man, y'all man, listen, man,
Speaker 1: that's my partner, right. So, uh I met y'all early
Speaker 1: on before he was he was still I think it
Speaker 1: called him Jay or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. It was way before the snowman like it was.
Speaker 1: And we have a mutual acquaintance in Big Meach and
Speaker 1: so I knew Meach already, and you know, we all
Speaker 1: frequent the clubs and ship together. And uh I remember
Speaker 1: seeting across the stage from them in Magic City before
Speaker 1: the before the innovation Look Catwalk to Look cat Walk
Speaker 1: came down. That was it. So I'm sitting across from
Speaker 1: there and he climbed up over on the stage and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, brain Jesus would saying. Man.
Speaker 1: Then I got Jake, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: you know, he rapping in and I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: another rapper, all right, good, you know, and he kind
Speaker 1: of took that like ship, and bro, what's up? What's it?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, all right, man, I I see, we'll see
Speaker 1: where it where. It turned out to beat. I was real,
Speaker 1: you know, arrogant in my in my day, and I
Speaker 1: end up going to jail when I got that he
Speaker 1: had done, took off with with the mixtapes and she
Speaker 1: with the snowman she, And when I got out, I said,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, I need to do a recompetition to you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, this is motherfucking ship.
Speaker 1: He got it. And I remember him. He didn't already
Speaker 1: told the story, so I ain't saying then, you know,
Speaker 1: and privileged. Um. I remember seeing them, meeting them in
Speaker 1: the studio after I got out, and I remember he had,
Speaker 1: you know, he had some people in there that I knew,
Speaker 1: that people. I know what they're on, and he had,
Speaker 1: you know, some material that I recognize. And I said,
Speaker 1: I said, bro, coming right quick, man, listen, you gotta
Speaker 1: let one go. I can't. You can't play at this
Speaker 1: level and still play at this level and expect them
Speaker 1: not to cross collateralize. You can't hold on to the
Speaker 1: grass and reach for the stalls. And you got to
Speaker 1: let one go. And you know at the time he
Speaker 1: looked at me like shit and I you know, and
Speaker 1: his his his his exact word was sick. Ain't you doing? Both?
Speaker 1: Say no, bro, I let that ship go a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It was some Hongry Knights. That was my sacrifice.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know that what I
Speaker 1: did to show the universe that I really wanted it.
Speaker 1: Um and and as legit tires, you know, that conversation
Speaker 1: led to him, you know, inevitably taking the wraps it
Speaker 1: a lot more serious. Stop u last guc man mm
Speaker 1: hmm man guccer Main is also a legend. You can't
Speaker 1: take enough. You can't take anything away from where he represented,
Speaker 1: where he brought to the city. UM definitely put the
Speaker 1: East Side on the map, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: he would definitely. And it was in a time where
Speaker 1: it was number with side action going on, you know,
Speaker 1: when he came and stood on business. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: I mean right, a wrong. You can't take away from
Speaker 1: from from his his contributions, his contribution to the court
Speaker 1: and what he meant to the city. What he means
Speaker 1: you know, to the to the legacy of the city.
Speaker 1: Even if we don't see out how all the time
Speaker 1: still got the know we still got to acknowledge the
Speaker 1: contributions that were made to the culture because that benefits
Speaker 1: the city as a whole. A lot of our contributions
Speaker 1: collectively and individually, it's all for what's best for a level.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, two thousand six you started acting a
Speaker 1: t l mm hmm. What was the process and that
Speaker 1: and what made you interested in and it makes you
Speaker 1: interested in acting? Man, just to be on it with
Speaker 1: you bro again watching people who had came before me,
Speaker 1: A little cool j ice q tupop ice tea, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a natural evolution if you're
Speaker 1: doing this at a you know, at a accelerated level,
Speaker 1: and the natural transition is to go into acting. And
Speaker 1: so that was always on my checklist. And as I'm
Speaker 1: you know, making my rounds are just coming up, uh
Speaker 1: In in my in my journey, Um Dallas Austin, he came.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I got this movie I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I want you to read for it all. I bet uh,
Speaker 1: he said, But you gotta learn how to play the drums.
Speaker 1: H I learned how to play the drum. It's acting though, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, now you need to learn how to play
Speaker 1: the drum, say man, nah, but I went and read
Speaker 1: for it anyway. Uh that with drum Line, I didn't
Speaker 1: get that one. You know, some nick named Nick Kennon
Speaker 1: came yeah, I mean, uh but but but the next
Speaker 1: movie he had at off of the success of drum
Speaker 1: Line gave him the opportunity to do his second piece.
Speaker 1: And at the drum Line, I walked up to him
Speaker 1: in the club, I say, and I ain't reading for
Speaker 1: the next one. He's even gonna have to go and
Speaker 1: get me roll and you know, but this is like
Speaker 1: while I'm kind of you know, I'm feeling myself a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, I've got my chicks at and
Speaker 1: he said, all right, cool. When I get a script
Speaker 1: and near thing, we get a green that don't need trip,
Speaker 1: you got it? And um that that that that film
Speaker 1: was at the time called Jellybeans after the skaing ring
Speaker 1: in the Swash in the in uh late seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: and I believe some kind of way it got into
Speaker 1: the hands of will Smith. Will Smith and Overbrook as
Speaker 1: a production company came in and kind of like Green
Speaker 1: Lidded and Dallas had I always said, yo, tip is
Speaker 1: supposed to be the start this because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. But that's that's like Dallas's
Speaker 1: story as I mean him and t Bas from TLC.
Speaker 1: I believe t Bas was new new if I ain't mistaken,
Speaker 1: and Dallas was shure. I believe you know, it's just
Speaker 1: uh folklore, urban legend. If you so, Dallas that I
Speaker 1: already said, yo, this is supposed to be re shod.
Speaker 1: But I'm a first time actor, and no major movie
Speaker 1: studio gives the first time actor the you know, the
Speaker 1: responsibility of carrying a lead role. And we had the
Speaker 1: first time director in Chris Robinson Um. So they were
Speaker 1: pushing back, man, now we need to find somebody a
Speaker 1: little more seasons, a little more poised, and and Will
Speaker 1: Smith said, well, if he's not gonna play for sure,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: produce the movie. So Will came in and really really
Speaker 1: put his you know, he put it. He put his
Speaker 1: his reputation on the line for me to be with
Speaker 1: shared and a t L. So that was my introduction
Speaker 1: into f I'm gonna got five the first day, almost
Speaker 1: got five, almost didn't it? Almost did not happen because
Speaker 1: I so okay, now, man, you it's my first film.
Speaker 1: I'm a first time actor and and I'm pretty new too.
Speaker 1: I guess show business altogether, but I'm coming into a
Speaker 1: certain level of says I think I might have made
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand, a hundred and thirty thousand to do
Speaker 1: a TL I had y gotta ten million, I a check,
Speaker 1: and then another five million. I a chick, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up. I remember we had these these roller
Speaker 1: skates lessons, like practices, like a you know, every for
Speaker 1: six weeks before we started shooting. We had to learn
Speaker 1: how to skate and ship. Man, I'm coming late, blowing,
Speaker 1: blowing smoke out of fathom and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: this is totally not the leadership that they expected from,
Speaker 1: you know, from the lead actor of this film. And
Speaker 1: when we started shooting. You know, film, the film industry
Speaker 1: has to work promptly on time. You gotta show up
Speaker 1: on time. You gotta be prepared, you gotta be ready
Speaker 1: because it's not just you, it's a whole crew, a
Speaker 1: team of people. They got to show up and be
Speaker 1: focused and be on time in order for this to
Speaker 1: be achieved. It's how I shall have forty five minute later. Like, man,
Speaker 1: I show up to a consert forty five minute later.
Speaker 1: That's literally that's pretty much on time. Man. It's like, yo,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna fire you, right, and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: reshoot everything, and my first thing will fucking fire me.
Speaker 1: I don't care. And Chris Robinson came and saw me
Speaker 1: and he said, bro, listen. And Chris Robinson also shot
Speaker 1: my first video. I'm serious being the man. So we
Speaker 1: had a report all he said, Bro, it's not just you,
Speaker 1: it's me. I'm a first time director. You got other
Speaker 1: first time actors like like Evan Ross, Diana Ross's son,
Speaker 1: He's and you know, if Will first time producer. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna need you to show up man, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna need you to lead us to the finish line.
Speaker 1: And so I kind of, you know, I started looking
Speaker 1: at it a little different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I had a real individual mentality going into it. But
Speaker 1: after that conversation with Chris and Childie Matt by the way,
Speaker 1: also Childie Matt, after having old conversations it, I felt
Speaker 1: a different sense of responsibility, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I was responsible for
Speaker 1: the sussist or to fail you, but it fel And
Speaker 1: you know, I was on time from that day for
Speaker 1: um funny thing about a t L that you probably
Speaker 1: don't The ending was totally common deered by me, Chris Robinson,
Speaker 1: Evan Rolphs, Lauren London, totally not what's on. You will
Speaker 1: not find the script for the end of that movie
Speaker 1: if you look at the script for what The script
Speaker 1: was entitled Jellybean. But if you look at that script,
Speaker 1: at the end of the script, the movie wipposed to
Speaker 1: be back me making up with my friends and going
Speaker 1: back to win the skate competition. And we saw the
Speaker 1: film and the first thing I said, I said, Chris,
Speaker 1: this ain't ship about to give a funk about no
Speaker 1: goddamn skate competition. Man, what's going on? You got real
Speaker 1: ship going on? What about the boy? What about Evan?
Speaker 1: And and the money? Did he old big? But what then?
Speaker 1: What that's the story? That's that's the uh? I can
Speaker 1: I say the gravitas that you need to pull in
Speaker 1: the people of the community that this story is supposed
Speaker 1: to represent, you know what I mean? And we're substance
Speaker 1: the substance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so so of course you
Speaker 1: know we we we first thing, he said, well, man,
Speaker 1: the studio never approved. I said, what ship, let's get
Speaker 1: it done. So what we did well, and please don't
Speaker 1: do this. This is not fair, there's not good practice.
Speaker 1: Don't do this. Um. But what we did well. Told
Speaker 1: the studio we were doing reshoots for the scenes that
Speaker 1: already existed. So they set up two days for the reshoots,
Speaker 1: and we just totally redid the end of the movie
Speaker 1: the ship where he walked out and spilled the milk,
Speaker 1: when I throw the money in Big westphads him getting shock,
Speaker 1: going to the high pitar. All that was totally off script.
Speaker 1: One brothers had no idea. They've seen the movie. They say,
Speaker 1: how fucking dare you take god fucking money and do
Speaker 1: what you want? And you know, I just here behind creation.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Is it good? Though? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They said they'd be happy if
Speaker 1: they made eight million dollars off of a t L total.
Speaker 1: I think we did like fourteen sixteen million the thir week.
Speaker 1: But the audacity of go make this movie a better movie.
Speaker 1: But sent you know what I mean, a little fun,
Speaker 1: fat oh seven American Gangster with Denzel What that's like?
Speaker 1: What was that like big school with big schools, your
Speaker 1: big boy parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah that was big school man.
Speaker 1: That was in Timid Dane. In Timid Dane like like
Speaker 1: kind of like, damn me, You sure you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Um? Yeah, Russell Crowe Rizzle directed by Ridley Scott,
Speaker 1: same Gladiator for real me, Denzel Common, Chua Tail Ruby d.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So many legendary Cuba Good Jr.
Speaker 1: So many legendary actors and actresses that that were called upon,
Speaker 1: and I was included. I was a little overwhelmed. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna cap you down. I remember I remember the
Speaker 1: first well, the scene that I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing with Denzel. Um, when we're sitting outside in the yard.
Speaker 1: I want to be like you uncle Frank. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: actually where they cut from me, like catching the base
Speaker 1: something like that. And I sit down and we go
Speaker 1: through it like a little rehearsal. And then you know
Speaker 1: why they're sitting up the cameras and Ship. I'm pacing
Speaker 1: back and forth, you know what I mean. I'm like
Speaker 1: talking to myself and Ship. And then then I say, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up. You're nervous? I say, man, kind of brought you.
Speaker 1: They don't want to just just just don't want to
Speaker 1: suck it up. You don't want to suck it up.
Speaker 1: You say, fuck it up. You say, hey, listen, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Look around. They could have had
Speaker 1: anybody do what you're doing right now. They could have
Speaker 1: put anybody in this position. It could have put anybody
Speaker 1: right here, couldn't They said, yeah, he said, they chose you,
Speaker 1: didn't he? I said yeah. He said, do you know why?
Speaker 1: Do you know why they chose you? I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. He said, okay, well, if you know
Speaker 1: why they chose you, get your ass in and do that.
Speaker 1: You ain't got nothing to be nervous about. And so
Speaker 1: you know, after that, we went in then and did
Speaker 1: you know, did the same, and I think we one
Speaker 1: took it. I think it was like one take and
Speaker 1: of safety. Yeah, I mean, but he really really spoke, man,
Speaker 1: He spoke life into meat at the time, because for
Speaker 1: him to even look at me out of and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, respect my craft enough and respect
Speaker 1: you know me enough as an actor. Especially this is
Speaker 1: when a lot of you know, a lot of uh
Speaker 1: a lot of formal or should I say, first trade actors.
Speaker 1: We're looking at rappers who get movies kind of like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh So for him to
Speaker 1: even take the time to pour into me and give
Speaker 1: me some game, right then, that took me a long way.
Speaker 1: How hard now you've been in comedy? Now? How hard
Speaker 1: were you laughing on set with Will Farell and Kevin
Speaker 1: bro I couldn't keep a straight faith, man, laugh. I
Speaker 1: couldn't keep a straight faith. I probably would have been
Speaker 1: in the movie a lot more if I wouldn't laughing.
Speaker 1: And the camera's on me so much, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Uh, Man, you can't Kevin Hard funny? He can't.
Speaker 1: He can't not be funny, right yeah? I mean, and
Speaker 1: we're fair the same thing. Man, You get these motherfucker's together.
Speaker 1: That ship was just hilarious. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: ship that they did on days. I wasn't there. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw the move. I was like, god, damn, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? But you know, pushing the limits is where
Speaker 1: you know that would make comedy, that would make it great. Um,
Speaker 1: But that was a phenomenal opportunity that that that Kevin
Speaker 1: Hard pretty much. Man. He pretty much it ushered me
Speaker 1: into that, you know, I mean, uh, he said, Man,
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy right here, this is you all day.
Speaker 1: I just need you to come and be you. That's here,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, let's do it. I was around a
Speaker 1: little bit around the time BMF was here. Yours magical moment. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about great years. What's your assessment on um
Speaker 1: bmm fifty cent? How accurate is that to you? How? What?
Speaker 1: How act? Well? Well, listen, First of all, I'm looking
Speaker 1: and learning about a lot of days before I met.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't in Detroit, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember him as like, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: first niggles who had been in the city. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Oh, Rover, I don't remember, but he
Speaker 1: had you know what I'm saying. He was just always
Speaker 1: known as a quiet motherfucker who had you know, had
Speaker 1: the paper. And I don't know what happened before he
Speaker 1: made it to Atlanta. So presently right now, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is teaching me a little game in a different
Speaker 1: level of understanding and a different level of appreciation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think you know, you can't say enough about
Speaker 1: fifty for putting his name, his reputation, relationships together on
Speaker 1: behalf of somebody like meat. And even to take the
Speaker 1: opportunity to pour into little meat. Yeah, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the biggest part, to pour in the little meat and
Speaker 1: put him again first time after leading wrote you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's a lot of trust. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of trust. That's a lot of risk, ye, I mean,
Speaker 1: and to make it work the way that that has
Speaker 1: been wildly successful is it's you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: commendable at the least. Um, you and your wife both
Speaker 1: obviously public figures. You made the decision as a family
Speaker 1: too through the reality TV thing, and I had a
Speaker 1: small text of that. And realize once you open that
Speaker 1: book there ain't no shot and everything is judged and scrutinized.
Speaker 1: What was your biggest takeaway from actually letting people all
Speaker 1: the way in? Let's see the first thing? You're right, okay,
Speaker 1: so us both being celebrities. You know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: enjoy the union when he married to another celebrity. Did
Speaker 1: I always remind you they were famous before? What I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: it's difficult to really enjoy it, you know, um and
Speaker 1: behind it with your man family hustle of the concept.
Speaker 1: It was kind of conceptualized while I was in prison
Speaker 1: the second time. Um, so I was really kind of
Speaker 1: like kicking myself in the ass. When I went back
Speaker 1: to prison the second time, I was real, you know,
Speaker 1: you can heal? Like the album No Mercy, I was like,
Speaker 1: man ship, I would really discourage it. How long was
Speaker 1: you in there for? I ain't do but let us Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did Lettlemon tim up the first time, little much
Speaker 1: a second time. So, but I would really discourage it
Speaker 1: because I got that my fur did drop takers number
Speaker 1: one movie, beat out The Exorcist, number one film in
Speaker 1: the country. Had Jay got married, I didn't didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to go to a honeymoon because I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, do press for taking Open Dick to number
Speaker 1: one film in the country, and in the midst of
Speaker 1: the celebration for being a number one film in the country,
Speaker 1: get pulled over with a goddamn peel in my pocket.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea that mother, I don't kinda fund.
Speaker 1: Did a pill appear in my fucking pocket? A loose
Speaker 1: pell you know what pill? Had I known that pill,
Speaker 1: that would have do that mother going back would have
Speaker 1: had you know, a different conversation. But but I mean, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was it was the universe
Speaker 1: sitting me down because I needed to learn. I needed to,
Speaker 1: I need I need this require to yeah. Uh and
Speaker 1: I needed I needed to to train myself in a
Speaker 1: different aspect of my life. Um. And that's what that's
Speaker 1: what ended up happening. Uh. So when I was when
Speaker 1: I went back to prison the second time, it was
Speaker 1: just very tumultuous, if you will, um, it's difficult at
Speaker 1: virtuals tomortuus um. And we just needed I would just
Speaker 1: notice like everything that was written about me was only
Speaker 1: being written about like small indiscretions like I probably had
Speaker 1: done had years and years of community service, giving back,
Speaker 1: trying to you know what I'm saying, mentor to youth,
Speaker 1: you know, just just doing everything I can to kind
Speaker 1: of you know, community development with with new finished constructions
Speaker 1: and whno, and everything that we're being spoken about about
Speaker 1: me during that time was all about indiscretion this time
Speaker 1: and an indiscretion last time. So we felt like, man,
Speaker 1: we need to put something else on people's masks. So um,
Speaker 1: Chris abrego, Uh, in my and my agent manager at
Speaker 1: the time. They came and saw me and it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we already got the show, so we just need you
Speaker 1: to say yeah, yeah, like yeah, but what's the show?
Speaker 1: What's just like, man, we just just gon you how
Speaker 1: you balance being a family man and and and a
Speaker 1: business man and you know, a musician, and like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: We still didn't know what the show was. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until well first, so it picked me up from prison
Speaker 1: in a bus and I got sent back to prison
Speaker 1: because they said I wasn't supposed to leave in a
Speaker 1: tour bus. M hm hm, you know I did two weeks.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I was. I'm still locked up no matter
Speaker 1: where you put me. But when we got home and
Speaker 1: when they saw Tamika and how you know how much
Speaker 1: of a star she was? When they saw uh, Major,
Speaker 1: how much of a star he wore that first episode
Speaker 1: where he said get you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I didn't even know Major to
Speaker 1: be this animated like. And I learned a lot of
Speaker 1: my kids because there are times where they would be
Speaker 1: shooting their own scenes and they would talk just like
Speaker 1: you know, brother and sister, brother and brother talking and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know the this this side
Speaker 1: of them, and when when the people saw it, they
Speaker 1: became the stars at that point, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: so that's when we knew what the show up. The
Speaker 1: show is about the family. I just happened to be
Speaker 1: in the family. You know. It's almost like me fighting
Speaker 1: have I'm a big deal. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what your head down, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's what the show became. Um. But but you know,
Speaker 1: over the course, you know what I'm saying, I think, man,
Speaker 1: I don't regret it because it documented a time like
Speaker 1: most people don't get a chance to document their children
Speaker 1: growing up. Like season not the season, not the season,
Speaker 1: that's the season. That's a hell of a photo family
Speaker 1: photo album. Yeah, I mean, seas you guys do with
Speaker 1: that team, I think, yeah, I think thirteen. So I
Speaker 1: I don't regret it, but I do, you know, I
Speaker 1: do recognize the coins of the pro you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do see motherfucker's beat in your business. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People you don't even know saying, hey,
Speaker 1: what made you? Because that's my favorite I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, you know, And it were telling me and
Speaker 1: my wife be going through stuff. Old ladies say, listen,
Speaker 1: get back with your with your family, man your business lady.
Speaker 1: H But I guess it takes a village. So you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that ship. But all in all,
Speaker 1: it beat the m matches fatherhood, your kids taking their
Speaker 1: journeys and and and seeing and learning, and obviously you,
Speaker 1: you and your wife working hard so that you could
Speaker 1: provide a better upbringing for them. Explain your journey with
Speaker 1: each of them, because it's been again well documented. And
Speaker 1: I remember the one thing was it did you do
Speaker 1: it on social media where you caught major smoking the
Speaker 1: joint in the spa of the first time agent has
Speaker 1: not smoking the joint yet. Did I know who'd you
Speaker 1: catching the spa? You thought that was king? A King
Speaker 1: said nothing, Yeah, that's what I was that on your
Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, but see what happened, Well, we was
Speaker 1: on vacation, and so what I was talking about during
Speaker 1: that live was these rich kids. They all they do is,
Speaker 1: you know, live off the fat of the landing, got
Speaker 1: the they ain't got to work from that. And he
Speaker 1: happened to have been with his shirt off like scarf face.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect time back, like he didn't paid
Speaker 1: for everything. And I went to show him being getting
Speaker 1: the jacuza and this Nick is smoking the joint. I
Speaker 1: ain't even smoking, and you know, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: the cat was released that that bag day and that's
Speaker 1: the fird time I'd ever seen him smoking, you know,
Speaker 1: Uh fatherhood on the floor. Yeah, bro. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I mean, I think about how
Speaker 1: I was when that was his age, twelve times worst
Speaker 1: he did, you know, And I just you know, I understand.
Speaker 1: I think he had some sort of like a survivor's
Speaker 1: remorse a little bit because he he you know, as
Speaker 1: as a fluent and opulent as he grew up, as
Speaker 1: all the access to relationships, resources and just you know,
Speaker 1: the lifestyle that he grew up. Uh, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: that to precede his true character, his moral He don't
Speaker 1: want to lean on you know, being celebrity kid. He
Speaker 1: don't want to lean on living in the mansion of
Speaker 1: being richie. Like like, yo, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand on I'm gonna stand on my own and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have my integrity intact, and I want my respect
Speaker 1: to speak for me. You know, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how he got the ops. I don't know how. But
Speaker 1: you know our fans though with King, no bro, You know,
Speaker 1: I love King and all of my children, all seven
Speaker 1: of them, got a different part of me, a different
Speaker 1: case of my personality, each of them. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how it happened like that, like each of them,
Speaker 1: like almost almost like the time they spent with me.
Speaker 1: It took the parts of my personality that they felt
Speaker 1: like applied to them and and like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: need the rest of this ship. I take this and
Speaker 1: you know if it don't apply to the fly. Um. King,
Speaker 1: however he got that dope boys in the trap. Still
Speaker 1: ain't forgave myself till you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: reminds me the mirror he reminds me of myself during
Speaker 1: the time of my life, I made the most mistakes
Speaker 1: that could have ever possibly made. And I love him,
Speaker 1: I respect his heart. Um, I'm worried about him because
Speaker 1: the three things can do. Man, When I say King
Speaker 1: gonna have trouble on his hand, it's three things he
Speaker 1: do they worry. I mean one travel with a pack
Speaker 1: of niggers. You feel me and he the only rich one.
Speaker 1: And well actually now with him and too you know now,
Speaker 1: at least now I feel a little bit better. But
Speaker 1: you know, me and Booster still got bumped out of
Speaker 1: head against the wild. We have never been as close,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, we got to get there,
Speaker 1: collaborate on how to deal with these But so he
Speaker 1: run with a pack of niggers. He talked so much
Speaker 1: old the time you hear him for you him, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And he don't listen to that
Speaker 1: out of spite if you tell him, if you tell
Speaker 1: him do it this way, he gonna do it that way,
Speaker 1: just to show you that he could be done. And
Speaker 1: those three things scared me the most about him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you know, through the grace
Speaker 1: of God, I think we're gonna get passion and get
Speaker 1: through it because I see the motherfucker who were way
Speaker 1: worse than him make it. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Good Stack got to share a moment with his daughter
Speaker 1: at the the George Foyd march Uk here in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You're a part of that. Can you guys elaborate on
Speaker 1: what that experience was like? The money was with you
Speaker 1: that day? Yeah, yeah. That's what really got me kind
Speaker 1: of in the social activism, like when my daughters and
Speaker 1: my sons like, but that, what does this mean? Like
Speaker 1: why I ain't really got no else's you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And because I remember the money that same
Speaker 1: mor as the mindy said well what can we do?
Speaker 1: What can we do? Said Ship? We speak at we
Speaker 1: we we we just rebel And he said how. I said,
Speaker 1: well listen, Marge going on there, you're gonna go? He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: said we pulled over sent tenor Paul got in the mix.
Speaker 1: That's how I happened, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then after the march we marched all the brain and Ship.
Speaker 1: Then we came back to Centennia and sat on the
Speaker 1: bench and then the whole crowd looked at me. I
Speaker 1: right till what's next? What's next? Ship? Just you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And then that you know that kind
Speaker 1: of you know, just you know, turn start spinning my
Speaker 1: wheels and like, man, if people looking to me for
Speaker 1: what's next, I got the least start thinking about it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and speaking out using my influence, using
Speaker 1: the platform that has been that I've been blessed with,
Speaker 1: to all be a voice for the vo US list. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and that's really what started. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what got me out of it. Um seeing
Speaker 1: how many of the people you're actually fighting to try
Speaker 1: to help, how many of them are willing to go
Speaker 1: above and beyond to destroy you. I ain't worried about
Speaker 1: the enemy. I'm not worried about the enemy. I already
Speaker 1: know what the enemy is capable of. I expect the
Speaker 1: enemy to be is treacherous, deceitful, and and and you know,
Speaker 1: as dastardly as they could possibly be. They've shown time
Speaker 1: and time again what they capable of. I'm expecting that.
Speaker 1: But the motherfucker's standing next to me, to my left,
Speaker 1: to my right, you know what I mean, who would
Speaker 1: rather destroy me to please the enemy then assist me
Speaker 1: and overthrow or assist me, and and you know, trying
Speaker 1: to bring about change? Um Man, that she is? That
Speaker 1: that that was really discouraging, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That ship really hurt. So I just pulled back, you know,
Speaker 1: I just man might business now. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about, because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the times when you speak up with people,
Speaker 1: it's like my experience with Georgia. I didn't ask to
Speaker 1: be in that position. I didn't actually have to see
Speaker 1: my friend murder, you know what's for the world to see.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I did something that a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't have to gus to do. Now,
Speaker 1: when you have success at things like that, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of people and I'm gonna tell you why they're
Speaker 1: mad at you. One, it's some people hustle. They prey
Speaker 1: on stuff like that to go down and benefit all
Speaker 1: people pains. And we didn't do that. We did it
Speaker 1: because our hearts. We want to do what's right. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of people hustle. So when you show up
Speaker 1: and get all attention and and and ain't no money involved,
Speaker 1: you're doing it out your heart. It's taken out of
Speaker 1: their pockets. So that some people hustle too. People only
Speaker 1: hate what they can't be and what they can't do.
Speaker 1: So if you're able to go to a march and
Speaker 1: leave people have people follow you for the right cause
Speaker 1: people envy that because ain't nobody following them, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's the two things I've said.
Speaker 1: They envy what they can't be. Bro Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've learned that the for the most part, where people
Speaker 1: feel about me is usually a reflection to them is
Speaker 1: very little, has very little to Actually, it's about where
Speaker 1: they've been exposed to, UM, what they expect of themselves,
Speaker 1: their fears, their failures, their insecurities, UM, and that just
Speaker 1: gets projected onto me, you know by way of conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, just just just hate. Yeah, I mean uh.
Speaker 1: And and my understanding of that, my understanding of the
Speaker 1: that allows me to count on just see it and
Speaker 1: don't see it, bro, Yeah, I mean cool. I went
Speaker 1: from a time where I wouldn't let nationalize and when
Speaker 1: none getting back, I ain't. I'm at it everything it
Speaker 1: is to be at I'm at and I learned that
Speaker 1: no matter how many victories or how many successful battles
Speaker 1: you endure and overcome, it's gonna they're just gonna keep coming,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna keep coming, and they're gonna keep coming.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, man, for real,
Speaker 1: you have to protect your peace at a certain point
Speaker 1: time you feel me, So I just man, I man,
Speaker 1: fuck them. I want to I want to command you, bro,
Speaker 1: because like I said, I know, I know it ain't easy,
Speaker 1: but I commit you for taking a standing and being
Speaker 1: selfless in situations like that. UM. Reflecting your career and
Speaker 1: the advice you would give somebody because you've been able
Speaker 1: to have longevity. A lot of people die and and
Speaker 1: and and would give anything to go back to be
Speaker 1: able to say they had longevity than anything. You've been
Speaker 1: successful in multiple things and still going. Um, what advice
Speaker 1: would you give somebody? Um? First of all, don't do
Speaker 1: it like I did it, because that ship might not
Speaker 1: work for you. You know what I'm saying. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta, You got your own journey that you gotta.
Speaker 1: You gotta walk your own walk. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There is no monolithic path to success. Um, learn listen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Accept the opportunity to grow
Speaker 1: and evolve. Don't don't don't pigeonhole yourself to to heaven
Speaker 1: to remain you know, any particular way for any particular
Speaker 1: group of people. Man, just learn, grow evolved. And you
Speaker 1: got one or two options. You can either pull them up,
Speaker 1: let them pull you down. Ain't no one between you,
Speaker 1: feel me. Surround yourself with people. That's just as it's
Speaker 1: just as hungry and eager to learn, eager to succeed
Speaker 1: as you are, and don't let nobody talk to you
Speaker 1: out of your vision because they can't see it. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's a bigger mistake I ever made in
Speaker 1: this ship, you know what I mean? Because you know
Speaker 1: we all have visions. You should never lead one of us.
Speaker 1: Every human being on earth has a purpose and and
Speaker 1: and and has a vision or something that they can contribute.
Speaker 1: It comes to us first by way of a vision,
Speaker 1: something that you see in your mind, an idea that
Speaker 1: you have, nobody else had it is yours. And the
Speaker 1: first thing we usually do it go to our peers
Speaker 1: and go to the people around us and tell them
Speaker 1: of our vision. And because they don't have the same
Speaker 1: vision or they don't believe that they could achieve properly
Speaker 1: execute this vision. First thing, now, man can't do that?
Speaker 1: What you wanta do that? For? Man? Ain't nobody did?
Speaker 1: And the first thing we do, like Dan, it might
Speaker 1: be a dumbass idea. Let me just and then a
Speaker 1: year later you'll see another motherfucker that just ben't gotten
Speaker 1: shot through the roof doing this is that same thing
Speaker 1: that you just said, you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 1: And and that's the thing that I regret the most
Speaker 1: about my career just just being so, I guess so
Speaker 1: m hmm, sharing my vision with other people who projected
Speaker 1: their fears and failures on me and allowed myself to
Speaker 1: not do with the universe show me how wippold to
Speaker 1: be doing? I mean, but that lesson I've carried into
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've been able to do it right
Speaker 1: mm hmm. This next phase or and passion of yours comedy.
Speaker 1: Speak to us about the ups and downs, what you've learned,
Speaker 1: what you love, your drive for it? Man? Okay, so
Speaker 1: what I've learned? Dear people like take me very literal
Speaker 1: and like you know, everything I say, mother can take
Speaker 1: it very serious, you know when I'm really I guess
Speaker 1: the motherfucker have to really spend some time around me
Speaker 1: to see. You know, I'm pretty cavil, like I I
Speaker 1: joke in Trip. That's kind of how we get through
Speaker 1: a lot of the ship that have a very dog
Speaker 1: since a humor sometimes. Uh. I think my first stand
Speaker 1: up sick unofficially was at my sister precious funeral, you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody would hurt, everybody was in pain, everybody was
Speaker 1: you know, going through it, and I was something speak,
Speaker 1: and so the first thing I said, what we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do is being here sad and miserable, and because
Speaker 1: that ain't what she represented. And secondly, Pressure, we got
Speaker 1: all of popsis mistresses and women and everybody in here,
Speaker 1: so we already having together. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Everybody just died laught because they're probably the only time
Speaker 1: because you know, my pops ain't never been married. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I got six sisters, one little brother,
Speaker 1: and all of his children's mamas was there and they
Speaker 1: had never been nowhere in the same building. At the
Speaker 1: same time, I said, Pressure, you did it. You did
Speaker 1: the impossible. Uh So I I you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a pretty healthy sense of human
Speaker 1: But people, you know what I'm saying, take care of things.
Speaker 1: I say, to be literal, everybody can't take you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned that. Uh. But it didn't do nothing. But
Speaker 1: just you know what I'm saying, pushed me to go
Speaker 1: to go harder bout it. Uh. And I also learned that,
Speaker 1: you know, comedy is it's very sacred. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who suffer and don't never get they just
Speaker 1: do it's a lot of accolades that people don't receive,
Speaker 1: and you can do it for a lifetime. Your motherfuckers
Speaker 1: were masters at the craft. Who deserves every every chance
Speaker 1: to be in every spotlight that that exists for this
Speaker 1: for this area entertainment, and people really take it personally
Speaker 1: when motherfucker's just getting up there like yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could do this, Yeah yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Uh So I learned to respect it a whole lot.
Speaker 1: I always had a respect for the people who did it,
Speaker 1: but I learned that there must be an equal amount
Speaker 1: of respect as I do it, you know. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's it's therapeutic. It's therapeutic. There's a freedom that I
Speaker 1: get up here and you know, talk about whatever I'm
Speaker 1: going through in my day. If I do a song,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if something happened to me today,
Speaker 1: I record a song and go to the studio. I
Speaker 1: gotta mix it master to shoot the video to be
Speaker 1: fastest weeks for you actually hear what I got on
Speaker 1: my mind, You feel me. Whereas if something happened to
Speaker 1: me today, I can hit a comedy club and I
Speaker 1: can you know, I can got them get it off
Speaker 1: my chest, right now you know what I mean? Um,
Speaker 1: and I think initially, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism and speculation. He ain't need funny. I don't see
Speaker 1: him like that. What are you doing up there? Well?
Speaker 1: The thing is the crowd is gonna tell you immediately
Speaker 1: whether you're supposed to be up there, you know. So
Speaker 1: I just man, do the best I can to speak
Speaker 1: from my heart and talk about ship that everybody can
Speaker 1: relate to and find humor in that. I went to
Speaker 1: one of your first shows, man, wife, your first shows
Speaker 1: with Hi Mafia. Okay, and what city? It was heading
Speaker 1: out Nomber, I saw you'all side. I was walking in
Speaker 1: what venue? Remember the being your baby? It was a
Speaker 1: hole in the wall. It was a hole in the
Speaker 1: wall and it was the first one d C did itself.
Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah, I saw you outside, I was walking down.
Speaker 1: You did a great job to say that was one
Speaker 1: of your first times, bro. So I take my hat
Speaker 1: off to you, man, Thank you. I appreciate it. Man,
Speaker 1: It's just getting better and better. You know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: my favorite show thus far though, it's Brooklyn ba Clag's.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody told him we're gonna
Speaker 1: get booed eventually, Like everybody like, Yo, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get Boot's gonna happen. Just be ready. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, everybody from the booming out of here.
Speaker 1: And it happened. You know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: the mothercker were waiting to get me somewhere to boot
Speaker 1: me for a long time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But we shared a moment, you know myself in New York,
Speaker 1: all five brows came together and could agree and that
Speaker 1: moment at that time, Man, boot this nigga, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed it so much. I enjoyed it so much. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the very next so after I got off stage,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of calls from me everybody. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, everybody Downiel Rollings, k Dub to
Speaker 1: you know, Don Roy to to uh, Marlon Wayne's. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, hey, man, you are right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm straight. What's up? Man, I'm just saying the first
Speaker 1: thing more to say, Man, leave the arenas alone. Man
Speaker 1: to the small rooms. Man, I said, Man, they gave
Speaker 1: me third It don't now to do with my first
Speaker 1: paid gig as a campy say they set you up, nigga,
Speaker 1: can't you see it? And so you know, Maha, I
Speaker 1: hear it as I went right back to an arena,
Speaker 1: came right to it Atlanta the next day, you know,
Speaker 1: on the No Cap tour with d c And and
Speaker 1: Duval and d ray and talked to back getting boot
Speaker 1: the day before and gotta standing ovation and that when
Speaker 1: motherfucker was like, yo, you're a real comedian now you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that you didn't took the lumps
Speaker 1: and bumps, you know, but that was my favorite show
Speaker 1: and Jordan's so thank you, Brooklyn. You learn from it.
Speaker 1: Quick hitters almost finish. The first thing to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Let us know a show, a movie you can watch
Speaker 1: on repeat. Mm hmm, Present Day of Pass, whatever you want,
Speaker 1: whatever show, a movie I could watch your retreat life
Speaker 1: m M. If you can remember one lyrical bar, what
Speaker 1: would it be your favorite lyrical bar? My favorite lyric
Speaker 1: or bar. We'll just give me this, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: m change the question. Okay, you can put one of
Speaker 1: your favorite bars on the billboard. What would it be
Speaker 1: my favorite? Coming from your Yeah, if you can pick
Speaker 1: a bar. Um m hmm, it'll probably be to lay
Speaker 1: me baby. Hey, he gonna need a trap from God
Speaker 1: featuring Jesus and jay Z. It'll probably be that one.
Speaker 1: If you needed more all ready to do. It was
Speaker 1: called Monte Ellis. It's just anything by him. Yah, man,
Speaker 1: my te you go crazy. Man, appreciate I'm ending this ship.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate. We had Mike on the
Speaker 1: show and he told us about one of his favorite
Speaker 1: stories one time about you and him in the in
Speaker 1: the in the studio with Kobe. Yeah, yes, any Kobe
Speaker 1: stories man, that one. So you know Kobe was here
Speaker 1: playing the hops, you know, uh and and Kobe and
Speaker 1: my my manager at the time, g Roberson, real real tight.
Speaker 1: So while he was in the city, um G brought
Speaker 1: him over to the studio and that just happened to
Speaker 1: be in there with Mike at the time and m me,
Speaker 1: you know, just again fucking with Kobe, you know, Jack,
Speaker 1: because I said, they don't take this ad with a
Speaker 1: personal now, I don't want to phone out with you.
Speaker 1: Back to Zad Whipple, we feel to put on you.
Speaker 1: And you know, because he came back in Grand Cod
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, you believe it. You look so
Speaker 1: much smarter than that, you know. And we just enjoyed
Speaker 1: the moment, and he listened. I think I played, um
Speaker 1: was it trouble Man. I think I played the trouble
Speaker 1: Man album for him, you know, the songs before you
Speaker 1: know they were released. We vibe that me and Mike
Speaker 1: were smoking big cod just in their motherfucker trying not
Speaker 1: to get a content I mean. Uh. And and when
Speaker 1: he left there, I w was like, what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: Said she gonna go to the gym? What it were
Speaker 1: two in the morning. I say, what, we went to
Speaker 1: Mades City. Didn't he say he's going to the gym?
Speaker 1: I say, God, damn, this motherfucker serious, you know. And
Speaker 1: I just developed the whole, a whole another level of
Speaker 1: a spare for him. Um. Of course you can't take
Speaker 1: anything away from his from his accolades and the things
Speaker 1: he's achieved. Uh, but just for me to see first
Speaker 1: hand the commitment and sacrifice that we're into those things
Speaker 1: becoming possible, it um, it was. It was a joy
Speaker 1: to behold. It's beautiful. Uh. Five dinner guests that are alive,
Speaker 1: come on, man, yeah, against dead alive Mohammad Ali, Tupap,
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglas, real thought going behind it? So
Speaker 1: I like it? How many of that before? That's for
Speaker 1: one more? They got to go, Mike Tyson Man, Mike,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael, make sure that's a hell of a
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a goddamn dinner table. Man. See
Speaker 1: a lot of mushroom. And we there with Marley Damn.
Speaker 1: You can come to Malcolm Ship's at now you're making
Speaker 1: a big table. If you can have one guest on
Speaker 1: the show, and you can see one guest on our show,
Speaker 1: who would it be? But before you answer that question,
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on our show.
Speaker 1: The catch, that's the catch. So I gotta think about
Speaker 1: somebody who I can actually have indeed, boost oh we're
Speaker 1: supposed to have. I just talked to him a the
Speaker 1: other day. I just talked to himself. You gotta have
Speaker 1: and he got and he just dropped the movie. Yeah
Speaker 1: you and he's been he'd been in his bag independent
Speaker 1: film production bag. Yeah man getting it at the mud too,
Speaker 1: you feel and I just I'm just buried my brother
Speaker 1: in that rocket man. Help you know it's been Let
Speaker 1: me get through some times some tough nights, so he
Speaker 1: dropped that right on time. Well, tip man, we appreciate
Speaker 1: your time. You know you're busy. Best of luck in
Speaker 1: all aspects of life. You continue to excel in man,
Speaker 1: and we really appreciate you. We are a fan of
Speaker 1: you know what you stand on, what you're stand for.
Speaker 1: So thank you for your time today. Man, both of
Speaker 1: you brothers. I appreciate the opportunity. It's on the city
Speaker 1: and just ex change dialogue with y'all, both of y'all.
Speaker 1: I've seen both of y'all go through some ship. I
Speaker 1: was like, who, I don't know, hey ship, Hey man,
Speaker 1: the goddamn palates bro Like God, damn nigger got busy.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, Man, you had to
Speaker 1: exercise so much for strength, you know. But but but
Speaker 1: but but but I had to make exceptions for the
Speaker 1: acceptional circumstances, you know, you when when we ain't gonna
Speaker 1: profit this line not the gun line, you know. So
Speaker 1: I respect. I've seen y'all, you know, uh be tested,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Not necessarily by the world
Speaker 1: as much as tested by yourselves. You had to overcome yourself.
Speaker 1: You had to you know, you had to really be
Speaker 1: who you presented yourself to be. And you you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And y'all and you pat it. That's
Speaker 1: what real motherucker's are gonna respit. Anybody who do everything perfect,
Speaker 1: do everything perfect, and their life is going perfect. You
Speaker 1: could do that. I mean, can you lose it, get
Speaker 1: it back, make a mistake, learn from it, be built,
Speaker 1: and and move forward with the understanding and the knowledge
Speaker 1: and the wisdom that comes from that. That's what I respect.
Speaker 1: So thank you. I appreciate that. We got some we
Speaker 1: got some merch for you. Okay, appreciate man, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Yeah, you did all the smoke. You
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