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Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes on the Cowboys mess. He's and Edwarder
Speaker 1: have been doing the Doomsday podcast forever. So third week
Speaker 1: in a row, Aaron Rodgers had the ball late with
Speaker 1: a chance to win Denver, Minnesota, and now Buffalo and
Speaker 1: could not get it done. You know, I've said this
Speaker 1: four years. The strangest stat about Aaron Rodgers is how
Speaker 1: few come from behind wins he has considering how many
Speaker 1: big close games he's been in. The Jets lead the
Speaker 1: NFL and penalty yards are second in total penalties twenty
Speaker 1: two total penalties between the two teams. That I did
Speaker 1: not love the officiating. I thought there were two calls
Speaker 1: that reready bothered me. The one when Aaron Rodgers tucked
Speaker 1: it got hit fumble would have been huge for Buffalo.
Speaker 1: They called it an incomplete pass. Didn't like that call
Speaker 1: at all. Also, a Jets pass interference wiped out with
Speaker 1: an unnecessary roughness against Buffalo. Did not like that call
Speaker 1: at all. I don't complain about officiating, all right, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's what you do your fans, I get it. I don't.
Speaker 1: But I thought I didn't like either of those calls.
Speaker 1: And again this game came down, so I had predicted
Speaker 1: before the year, Buffalo will win this division for what
Speaker 1: the fifth straight year, mostly because of Josh Allen, and
Speaker 1: then the Jets New eng little stink. They'll be fourth,
Speaker 1: and the Jets Miami will go down to the end
Speaker 1: of the season battling for the playoffs the final weekend,
Speaker 1: And I said, I don't know if I had either
Speaker 1: one of them in the playoffs. I don't think I
Speaker 1: had the Jets in the playoffs, and I may have
Speaker 1: had Miami, but I think they'll go down to the
Speaker 1: final week and I think if Tua comes back here
Speaker 1: and plays the rest of the season, Miami will heat up.
Speaker 1: So the Jets are now two and four, Bills are
Speaker 1: four and two, So it's working out. The Jets are fine, though,
Speaker 1: don't overreact. They've got Justin Fields coming up. They've got
Speaker 1: Drake May around the corner. They got Anthony Richardson coming up.
Speaker 1: They've got a stretch of really weak quarterbacks, and Aaron's
Speaker 1: planned pretty well. As the Bills won tonight twenty three twenty,
Speaker 1: there were opportunities for both teams, But when you get
Speaker 1: into these games like tonight, these big division games, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's Cincinnati playing Baltimore. Lamar Jackson was
Speaker 1: the difference. You know, when you watch these big divisional games,
Speaker 1: it's the quarterback making a play. And two plays at
Speaker 1: the end of this game by the Bills, and they
Speaker 1: made the two big plays in the game, actually three.
Speaker 1: The Rap the safety for the Bills. Rap who went
Speaker 1: to the University of Washington, good player, bounced around, had
Speaker 1: some injuries in his career, physical physical safety, broke up
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a potential catch by the Jets. Huge,
Speaker 1: huge play by Rap. Then Taran Johnson with one of
Speaker 1: the best interceptions I've ever seen. It felt like Ed Reid.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody understands how great of a play that
Speaker 1: was by tarn Johnson of Buffalo. He literally had to
Speaker 1: do a U turn turn around. Mike Williams slipped on
Speaker 1: one of his only targets tonight and Johnson held onto
Speaker 1: the ball. That is an all time play. That's ed
Speaker 1: REI That is incredible. So those two plays by the defense.
Speaker 1: Then Josh Allen running for the first down, and again
Speaker 1: it's very Lamar Jackson, It's very Mahomes. It's just an
Speaker 1: ad libbed play where a supreme athlete outruns somebody else
Speaker 1: to the sticks, and that's the ballgame. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of blame to go around. I mean, obviously the
Speaker 1: Jets got rid of Matt Hackett and the offense looked better.
Speaker 1: That's what Robert Sala wanted to do and got fired.
Speaker 1: Robert Sala, the best coach on the staff, got fired.
Speaker 1: He's a defensive guy, and I don't think the Jets
Speaker 1: defensive play was as good tonight. It wasn't as tight.
Speaker 1: So if Sala would have remained the coach and been
Speaker 1: allowed to demote Matt Hackett, that could have been the ballgame.
Speaker 1: I think Sala is the best coach on the staff.
Speaker 1: But you know, Bill Belichi took a shot at Woody Johnson,
Speaker 1: and Belichick's had a much greater career than Woody Johnson,
Speaker 1: certainly in football. And he was talking to Eli and
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning on the Manning Cast and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: ready fire aim, which is kind of an old line
Speaker 1: used around the NFL for disorganized and impulsive owners, and
Speaker 1: that's really what the Jets are. Robert solid to me,
Speaker 1: he should not have been fired. It makes everybody feel
Speaker 1: good when you fire the coach. He's the best coach
Speaker 1: on that staff. The defense was not as tight tonight
Speaker 1: unless I got reams and notes here, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's twenty three to twenty. Let's be honest, let's be
Speaker 1: fair here. The hail mary. You get about one of
Speaker 1: those every four years as a quarterback. That hail mary
Speaker 1: makes it twenty seventeen at half, or it's twenty ten
Speaker 1: Bills at half. So that's a bit of a break.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Bills earned the win more than
Speaker 1: the Jets earned keeping it close. It's a hail mary.
Speaker 1: It's called that for Also, you know the fumble that
Speaker 1: wasn't a fumble on the Aaron Rodgers passing tucking it back.
Speaker 1: Didn't love that. It's not like there weren't any calls
Speaker 1: that didn't go, you know, against the Jets tonight. But
Speaker 1: I you know, Josh Allen, you know, in the second
Speaker 1: quarter of that scrambling play to Matt Hollins, I mean,
Speaker 1: that was just an incredible touchdown pass to him to
Speaker 1: put the Bills up thirteen to ten. But the scramble
Speaker 1: play and thrown at Davis earlier, it's just so unique.
Speaker 1: Josh is such a unique all time talent. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: the Jets missed two field goals tonight. So this thing's just,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel really feel like watching Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: struggle in late game situations. The owner being impulsive, the
Speaker 1: field goal kicker missing two kicks tonight, and Aaron the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, he's gotten the crap hit out
Speaker 1: of him. He's taken shots. This feels like Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: last season. I just don't know, it's a circus. He's
Speaker 1: going to get blamed for this. We have to be honest.
Speaker 1: You can blame whoever you want. It's now Aaron's team
Speaker 1: and Denver, Minnesota and the Bills. Tonight, he was the
Speaker 1: second best quarterback on the field in long stretches against
Speaker 1: the Vikings in the first half, certainly, and he was
Speaker 1: the second best quarterback on the field tonight. And I
Speaker 1: do think Aaron is playing for his age at a
Speaker 1: really pretty high level. But he's taken hits. They've already
Speaker 1: had to demote his offensive coordinator, they fired his coach.
Speaker 1: You're looking around and you remember Aaron was in Green Bay. Well,
Speaker 1: they just don't do any of that stuff. They don't
Speaker 1: do any of that stuff. So he goes from a
Speaker 1: really shrewd patient winning culture in Green Bay. I mean,
Speaker 1: now he's been injured, they fired his coach, they demote
Speaker 1: his buddy. He's getting rocked. I just don't see him
Speaker 1: coming back. I don't. It just everything you just it's
Speaker 1: the drip drip, drip effect. It just wears on Aaron,
Speaker 1: who's not terribly patient anyway. Who and by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are. I think as
Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I'm less patient than I was years ago.
Speaker 1: You get to a certain standard, you want things done
Speaker 1: a certain way. I'm probably much less patient than I
Speaker 1: was in my twenties or thirties. So you know, Aaron's
Speaker 1: eye rolls. I mean he was frustrated on that bench.
Speaker 1: You got to kick or missing two kicks in the
Speaker 1: biggest game for the Jets, who are now two and four.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine. I think they're going to finish.
Speaker 1: I said, I thought they'd be like a nine and eight,
Speaker 1: ten and seventeam that's about where they're going to finish.
Speaker 1: And Buffalo's going to end up with probably eleven to
Speaker 1: twelve wins. And not only did the hail Mary make
Speaker 1: this game closer than it would have been, but the
Speaker 1: Jets wins this year are against Will Levice and the
Speaker 1: Titans and Jacoby Brussett and the Patriots, and teams that
Speaker 1: start two and four have only an eleven percent chance
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. So the Hail Mary. You know
Speaker 1: you trail twenty to ten at half. May it may
Speaker 1: never sinch up it. Buffalo's the better team, Buffalo's got
Speaker 1: the better quarterback. Buffalo made the three big plays at
Speaker 1: the end of the game. Buffalo keeps winning this division.
Speaker 1: If you start four and two, that's the Bills. You
Speaker 1: make the playoffs sixty four percent of the time, and
Speaker 1: they will. You know, they didn't have their best running
Speaker 1: back tonight, James Cook, so and to go on the road,
Speaker 1: have a couple of calls go against him, and just
Speaker 1: make the three biggest plays of the game. Buffalo made
Speaker 1: all of them. Rap Teyran Johnson, Josh Allen boom boom boom,
Speaker 1: three biggest plays of the game in order late and
Speaker 1: that's why the Bills are gonna win the division again.
Speaker 1: Hell of a football game for Monday night, I mean,
Speaker 1: the officiating drove me nuts. That was a We've been
Speaker 1: very lucky this year. We've had you know, Atlanta a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago overtime win. We've had really really
Speaker 1: good standalone games, really good standalone games. And I will
Speaker 1: say this about the officiating. I think about this sometimes
Speaker 1: in standalone games sometimes I feel like the officials are
Speaker 1: trying to make a point. They know everybody's watching and
Speaker 1: so on. That roughing, unnecessary roughness against Buffalo that wiped
Speaker 1: out the pass interfiners on the Jets. Would that be
Speaker 1: called in the one o'clock window? Maybe, maybe not, But
Speaker 1: I felt like it was one of those things the
Speaker 1: league's watching. We're not going to tolerate the extra sauce.
Speaker 1: We're just not going to tolerate it. I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes in standalone games, I feel like the NFL does
Speaker 1: that in the preseason, like they were over they will
Speaker 1: overcall a new rule just to make it very clear
Speaker 1: to the players we're not going to allow this or
Speaker 1: tolerate this. I felt like tonight a couple of times
Speaker 1: they were trying to make a point the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: So right now in the AFC Josh Allen leads his division,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson leads his division. Lamar would be my MVP. CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud leads his division, Mahomes leads his easy to Predict
Speaker 1: four for four. I'm sure you probably did the same thing.
Speaker 1: Best Quarterbacks Leader Division. I think the NFC isn't quite
Speaker 1: as good at the top, and so it'll work itself out.
Speaker 1: San Francisco now I think feels like it's kind of
Speaker 1: separating from the rest of the NFC West. The rams
Speaker 1: off of buy are getting a little healthier, but it
Speaker 1: may be maybe a little late. I mean, they'd have
Speaker 1: to go on a five or six game winning streak
Speaker 1: to get back at the top of that division. So
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Speaker 1: Doomsday podcast All Cowboys with Ed Werder. He's been doing
Speaker 1: this forever. Also was an ESPN radio show.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: From the outside, I man, I look at this and
Speaker 1: I think Packers blew them out at home. Last year,
Speaker 1: Saints blew them out. Ravens really did blow them out,
Speaker 1: although they caught up in the second half a little
Speaker 1: A Lions blew them out. Games weren't super competitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know I've said this before the season is they
Speaker 1: have one great weapon in a league. Now that's weapon filled.
Speaker 1: Dak's contract limits a lot of depth. Mike is very
Speaker 1: good player, doesn't feel as good he's been out as
Speaker 1: a Miles Garrett or a TJ. Watt. He's just a
Speaker 1: very good player, but he's not a game decider. This
Speaker 1: roster just doesn't feel like it's a top ten roster.
Speaker 1: Is am I out of bound saying that?
Speaker 3: No, I don't see how you could watch what's happened
Speaker 3: Colin and those three and now if you count the
Speaker 3: Green Bay four straight home losses. The identity for this
Speaker 3: team was they were a really good regular season team,
Speaker 3: and they were a great home team and so far
Speaker 3: now they've completely lost that and you know the fact
Speaker 3: that they don't have any depth that could have been
Speaker 3: addressed even before they committed the enormous money to CD
Speaker 3: and debt that was not addressed at all. And in fact,
Speaker 3: if you look at who they're playing on the defensive
Speaker 3: line right now, none of those players were even in uniform.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the other day, Sunday, August fourteenth. Those
Speaker 3: are all players they've just had to bring in, so
Speaker 3: they're really only hope. I mean, I do think Micah
Speaker 3: potentially is you know, maybe the best defensive player in
Speaker 3: the NFL. I may have him a little higher than
Speaker 3: you do. The problem is, you know, and you've seen
Speaker 3: this happen with other teams, Like they were so ready
Speaker 3: to part ways with dan Quinn because you know, they
Speaker 3: had that horrible thing happened against Green Bay, But like
Speaker 3: all these takeaways and all these huges, you know, game
Speaker 3: changing plays that you're looking for, that happened for a
Speaker 3: few years under dan Quinn. So I mean, I think
Speaker 3: the thing that Jerry's having to deal with right now
Speaker 3: is and I've seen him like this before. Man, he's
Speaker 3: he's he's looking at what like even the commanders, even
Speaker 3: in a losing effort, to have Jaden Daniels and then
Speaker 3: have Dan Quinn, who was on his staff for several years,
Speaker 3: and to actually have positive momentum. And he's looking at
Speaker 3: what the lions coming in here and literally just clowning
Speaker 3: on him, and he's just in jealous mode. He's in
Speaker 3: the mode of how did this happen? How do we
Speaker 3: how do we have this much of a deficit? And so,
Speaker 3: I mean he yesterday, he was lost, like he generally
Speaker 3: can put on the happy face. It was his eighty
Speaker 3: second birthday yesterday, and they get crushed forty seven to nine,
Speaker 3: And that's as down as I've seen him in a while.
Speaker 3: Like he didn't he didn't have any answers, and much
Speaker 3: like they did a few years ago when they went
Speaker 3: and traded for Marik Cooper. I don't think helps on
Speaker 3: the way. I don't feel like there's anything truly they
Speaker 3: can do and turn this thing around. But that that's
Speaker 3: pretty it's pretty unbelievable that they're getting crushed like they
Speaker 3: are at home.
Speaker 1: How much power does Stephen Jones have? Does he listen
Speaker 1: to him? Does just Jerry ever acquiesce? We know Jerry
Speaker 1: and his vanity. It's you know, it's kind of laughed
Speaker 1: at around the league where he holds these press conferences.
Speaker 1: Does he ever just take a back seat to Stephen Jones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steven does have a big say, and but if Steven,
Speaker 3: for instance, had have wanted to be more active this
Speaker 3: off season, the Cowboys could have been more active. So
Speaker 3: I would say this offseason he kind of sided with Jerry.
Speaker 3: The problem is, of course Jerry had a pr nightmare
Speaker 3: on his hands because Jerry, unbeknownst to Stephen, started talking about, Hey,
Speaker 3: we're all in, We're going to be all in, and
Speaker 3: then he didn't follow that up by bringing in anybody.
Speaker 3: So I do think Stephen has a lot to say,
Speaker 3: But right now they're just reeling and I doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like helps on the way. They'll get some they'll get
Speaker 3: some corners back. We'll get a couple of corners back.
Speaker 3: They'll get Micah back soon, and maybe they'll be do
Speaker 3: something else. But I think this the Zimmer thing, who
Speaker 3: I've known forever and I got a great relationship with,
Speaker 3: but it's not working. And it's just unreal that you
Speaker 3: could be at home and have what I mean, I
Speaker 3: covered Dan Campbell and knew him well, and he's an aggie.
Speaker 3: And I think that's another thing that kills Jerry, is
Speaker 3: like these people that he falls in love with and
Speaker 3: he knows, like Sean Payton, who Sean Payton left here
Speaker 3: and then went on to be with the Saints, Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell was here. It kills him when he has people
Speaker 3: that are in his orbit and that he considers friends
Speaker 3: and then they go and have success elsewhere. And right now,
Speaker 3: like that's what that's the look he had, and he
Speaker 3: actually said it yesterday. He's like, they have what we
Speaker 3: want and what he really means and he can't say
Speaker 3: is they have the coach I want. And he's just
Speaker 3: really bad. He doesn't know how to hold. Like Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell was available all those years. Guess who he was
Speaker 3: on with. He was with Sean Payton. He Jerry had
Speaker 3: people telling him from the Saints, that's the guy you
Speaker 3: should hire him. And Jerry knows this guy, and Jerry
Speaker 3: didn't act on it. And so right now you're seeing
Speaker 3: this thing kind of fall apart. And unlike some places
Speaker 3: where you can throw truly blow something up, this team's
Speaker 3: not going to lose enough games to do anything drastic
Speaker 3: or to have a huge impact in the in the
Speaker 3: in the draft. And so you have two players who
Speaker 3: are going to be here for what four or five
Speaker 3: years at enormous cost, and then you've got to try
Speaker 3: to sprinkle players around them. And right now people get
Speaker 3: mad that I point this out. You've got a quarterback
Speaker 3: who's not lifting anybody up.
Speaker 1: No, that's not who he is. He he you know,
Speaker 1: Bucky brookshust To always say this, there's tractors and trailers,
Speaker 1: and tractors pull. That's mahomes and trailers get pulled. And
Speaker 1: Dak is good when he has protection in a run game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was laughable going into the season.
Speaker 1: I said, they're not a playoff team. You give Dak
Speaker 1: no run game. I mean even CJ. Stroud, who's a
Speaker 1: really good, really good quarterback, or Justin Herbert, who are
Speaker 1: considered higher end quarterbacks and throwers of the football than Dak,
Speaker 1: they have struggled without a good run game.
Speaker 3: I mean c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud gets Joe Mixon back, Oh, the Texans look great.
Speaker 1: Dak with the worst running back room in the league
Speaker 1: is a c quarterback. That's what he is.
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like. And he has his moments.
Speaker 3: But you know, you talked about it, the Derrick Henry thing.
Speaker 3: He was out there. He made it known the Cowboys
Speaker 3: would be a team he would love to be around,
Speaker 3: you love to be with, and he lives there. This
Speaker 3: is not the old quarter the running back where you
Speaker 3: have to pay a tome. I mean like literally two years,
Speaker 3: sixteen million, and Jerry, you know, when I quizzed him
Speaker 3: about that after that Ravens game, was just like, no,
Speaker 3: we can't afford him, we can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think when you're watching how he's playing, you could
Speaker 3: say they really couldn't afford not to have it, Like
Speaker 3: that's exactly to your point, like if Dak could lean
Speaker 3: on somebody like that. But Jerry is so stuck. And
Speaker 3: usually it's like back in the Jimmy days or even
Speaker 3: the very aftermath of Jimmy. And of course Campo is
Speaker 3: the one back in the day who brought in Zimmer,
Speaker 3: and Zimmer became a big part of the Cowboys family.
Speaker 3: But in times of stress, Jerry goes for these people
Speaker 3: he knows and has history with, and he even does
Speaker 3: it with players. It's one thing to do with coaches,
Speaker 3: but he did it with Zeke, and literally he just
Speaker 3: has a guy who really doesn't have much tread on
Speaker 3: his tires, who's kind of a leader, but doesn't have
Speaker 3: anything left to do. So it's a it's a it's
Speaker 3: a very frustrating. It's a rough place to be right now.
Speaker 1: Who would you know, Mike Rabel's out there living in
Speaker 1: Park City, Utah, quick flight to Dallas. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he'd want that circus. I've said this before. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: with a loaded roster could have will have an opening
Speaker 1: at head coach. I think that goes without question. You
Speaker 1: start looking around the league and there are some teams here.
Speaker 1: New Orleans will need it. Derek Carr, I think that's
Speaker 1: a wash, although I do think their ownership and their
Speaker 1: front office Mickey Loomis is really really strong, stronger than Dallas.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Jacksonville, I mean, he's obviously regressed under Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: There's some really interesting quarterbacks. Jalen Hurts A Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: could need a coach. Joe Burrow. If Cincinnati goes into
Speaker 1: seven game losing streak, Joe Burrow could need a coach.
Speaker 1: My take is Dallas has become a bit of a circus.
Speaker 1: It's why the Lakers. Lakers in Dallas have too many
Speaker 1: Joneses and too many buses in the building. Not enough
Speaker 1: outside influence, very insular, big brands. But the brands bigger
Speaker 1: than the team and better run than the team. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think Dallas is a great job. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a good roster. I think Jerry talks too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it you know it's funny? People say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the high profile. Jerry doesn't pay the
Speaker 1: most in the league. Jeffrey Lorie can pay. There are
Speaker 1: places that Bob Kraft would pay. Is the Cowboys a
Speaker 1: good job?
Speaker 3: I think Jerry is desperate right now, and so I
Speaker 3: mean it's a crazy job. It is a circus. But
Speaker 3: in some ways, I mean, Will mcclay's pretty good personnel guy.
Speaker 3: You have to deal with Jerry. But when Jerry gets
Speaker 3: this desperate, which I expect him to be in the
Speaker 3: coming weeks, that's the only time he makes like big
Speaker 3: swings like you did with Bill Parcells. Now, that was
Speaker 3: to get the stadium built. But I think that I
Speaker 3: think he senses the fan base is turning on him
Speaker 3: and is getting angry enough that the Belichick thing could
Speaker 3: be real, and that is with Jerry, it has to
Speaker 3: be some sort of foundational relationship. That's why when he
Speaker 3: was still a big name or still coaching, like Holmgren
Speaker 3: was a name that made sense because Jerry worshiped Holmgren
Speaker 3: and they had this foundation together Belichick. Jerry relishes friendships
Speaker 3: with like big time, huge people, and he loves the
Speaker 3: fact that Belichick goes around saying, I respect Jerry Jones
Speaker 3: like I could work for Jerry Jones. So I think
Speaker 3: Bill's saying that to people right now. I think he's
Speaker 3: he wants back in the game enough that he would
Speaker 3: put up all the stuff with Jerry. But you see,
Speaker 3: he would handle himself just like Bill did, and Jerry,
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, would be miserable in that kind
Speaker 3: of setting. But I think it's getting to the point
Speaker 3: where he would he would seriously think about and that's
Speaker 3: where it becomes somewhat of attractive job because he would
Speaker 3: like Michah Parsons being here, and he would like a
Speaker 3: quarterback being here. And I would say, there are people
Speaker 3: out there that value Dak more than you do, and
Speaker 3: I think Belichick might be one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's I've always considered Dak like the
Speaker 1: best of the B plus guys. He and Kirk cousins.
Speaker 1: Kirk throws a better ball, Dak moves better. But they're
Speaker 1: the best of the anus B plus guys, and I
Speaker 1: think both need help. Kirk and his career has had
Speaker 1: a better stable of receivers a lot of his career.
Speaker 1: Dak's had maybe better running backs. But right now Kirk
Speaker 1: is flourishing with Atlanta. You know, Jerry and Steve and
Speaker 1: largely run personnel along with the aforementioned guy what was
Speaker 1: his name?
Speaker 3: Will play?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think Jerry would ever relinquish that to get
Speaker 1: the right coach.
Speaker 3: Not in a million years.
Speaker 1: He just believed.
Speaker 3: That's just what he believes. And there's no talking about
Speaker 3: of it. And even when somebody asked him yesterday something
Speaker 3: about are you going to take ownership over kind of
Speaker 3: what's happening, he just stopped him and he said, I
Speaker 3: am the owner now. He said, we're in the proverbial
Speaker 3: esser yesterday, And so he's admitting. But Jerry, in his
Speaker 3: mixed up way, thinks he's the only one that can
Speaker 3: ever save anything, and so to change the way this
Speaker 3: is handled now, Someday when Jerry is gone in like
Speaker 3: twenty five years, when he Stephen is, Jerry would leave
Speaker 3: word with Steven to never relinquish it. But Steven would
Speaker 3: He would operate in a different way, in a much
Speaker 3: different way than Jerry. But Jerry does lean on people,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I think Belichick is so desperate to
Speaker 3: get back in and go out in a different manner
Speaker 3: that I think he would be willing to put up
Speaker 3: with some of Jerry's stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill wanted to make six seven eight million bucks
Speaker 1: this year just so he hadn't. You know, He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but Bill wanted to stay front
Speaker 1: and center make some money. These coaches, I mean Nick
Speaker 1: Saban a minute he could get on TV. Saban's great,
Speaker 1: by the way, Belichick's fine when they get him in
Speaker 1: certain roles. He's good, but he wants to coach. I
Speaker 1: had Sean Payton at Fox for a year. Sean wanted
Speaker 1: to coach Bill Parcell's a couple of times did TV
Speaker 1: the minute coaching came back boom. It was in his blood.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys, often the less successful coaches you
Speaker 1: know who've been fired A couple of times. They you know,
Speaker 1: they like TV. They see TV is a gateway to
Speaker 1: endorsements and fun and more golf. At Belichick, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a boat. He's not sitting on a golf
Speaker 1: course too much. He's too smart. Peyton's the same way.
Speaker 1: They're too bright, they're too driven. Are there any empty
Speaker 1: seats at Cowboy games? I mean, has the apathy spilled
Speaker 1: over to merchandising or seats?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, no? I mean and are there more visitors at
Speaker 1: Jerry World? Are there more visiting fans?
Speaker 3: Always though? I mean through good years and bad years.
Speaker 3: It'll be embarrassing when the Texans come on this current trajectory.
Speaker 3: The Texans will have plenty of fans. The Eagles will
Speaker 3: have fans. The Lions were taking over that stadium yesterday.
Speaker 3: Jerry doesn't really mind that. He hates it when I
Speaker 3: bring it up, and I've done it in the past
Speaker 3: and he gets mad like a Seattle game, you know,
Speaker 3: but he the whole spectacle of it. He's kind of
Speaker 3: okay with that. He knows he's going to fill the stadium.
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that ever would would give
Speaker 3: him pause is just like what happened a few years
Speaker 3: ago when they flexed out of a Cowboys game. Somebody
Speaker 3: did that. I think it was NBC, and that's shocking.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, al Michaels used to joke that
Speaker 3: they would take a Cowboys game every week. What's Fox
Speaker 3: doing with Tom Brady? Like he's done like four Cowboys games, right,
Speaker 3: They're just like, let's just make him the beat guy
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: Dallas is America's team. I think the Niners are. If
Speaker 1: you anywhere Denver West, the Niners fill the stadium and
Speaker 1: they're also they've been so good for majority of the
Speaker 1: last twelve years. Is I think there's such a star
Speaker 1: studded team that I think if you ask Fox executives,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially Dallas getting ripped at home. Everybody still
Speaker 1: gets Dallas. But I could see for the next three
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. Now, big market Chicago with
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, big market San Francisco, Green Bay's a big
Speaker 1: brand if Dallas is an eight to nine team. Remember
Speaker 1: the Steelers used to be on TV a lot, and
Speaker 1: they're probably the second biggest brand in the league. They
Speaker 1: get flexed out. People don't want the Steelers on television.
Speaker 1: They're boring. They want the Ravens on TV. And I
Speaker 1: do think there's something to be said. Is a not
Speaker 1: he has an ascending paycheck, He's not an ascending player.
Speaker 1: And I look at these big markets with I mean
Speaker 1: Houston gets on TV more Caleb Williams. How about when
Speaker 1: Washington matt is now good. That's like the seventh biggest
Speaker 1: city in the country. I think there's some big national
Speaker 1: markets with ascending, star, exciting quarterbacks. I can see Dallas.
Speaker 1: I can see people at Fox just saying they're just
Speaker 1: not that interesting. I mean, I found myself yesterday bailing
Speaker 1: on that Cowboy game. The second time this year. I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're just not that much fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I had that opportunity yesterday just to
Speaker 3: kind of walk out of there. But I still think
Speaker 3: were one flex out in the past fifteen years. And
Speaker 3: my sense is that even when they're five hundred people
Speaker 3: are still fighting. They have them on. You make an
Speaker 3: interesting point. I still think when they go places, it's
Speaker 3: kind of crazy the amount of Cowboys fans that show up.
Speaker 3: And I'm just seen it over and over and over.
Speaker 3: So I could. I mean, I would not. I still
Speaker 3: would not make an America's team. I think the Patriots
Speaker 3: became America's most hated team. I think they you know
Speaker 3: you that used to be the Cowboys for years, and
Speaker 3: it was like Brady and the Patriots surpassed them in
Speaker 3: the villains. But yeah, I would be hard pressed to
Speaker 3: say that's happening. But I would say this to your point,
Speaker 3: if Jerry feels that happening, it'll just make him more
Speaker 3: dig in and have to bring in a coach like
Speaker 3: that like Belichick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why Belichick makes sense. They don't with
Speaker 1: Dack's contract, they don't have a lot of offensive firepower
Speaker 1: and the truth is, their defensive pieces aren't terrible. I
Speaker 1: mean they're not, They're they're just they're all banged up.
Speaker 1: I think it's becoming such a quarterback league. I just
Speaker 1: know personally. I like watching Kansas City won, Baltimore two,
Speaker 1: San Francisco three, and I think I think Detroit and
Speaker 1: Green Bay and Chicago now, good God. The NFC North.
Speaker 1: The four leading teams in the NFL on point differential,
Speaker 1: all four in the NFC North. That is like a
Speaker 1: that's like a track teams in that diation. It's amazing
Speaker 1: how good they are.
Speaker 3: And think how how much Sean Peyton that Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: has in him right now, because I mean the most
Speaker 3: he was just a good old boy Hunter and Fisher
Speaker 3: and just an awesome guy to talk to. And there
Speaker 3: wasn't a petty bone in his body when I used
Speaker 3: to visit with him all the time and cover him
Speaker 3: as a player. Yeah, And he walked into that stadium
Speaker 3: and his sole purpose after winning was to embarrass the
Speaker 3: Cowboys in every possible way. That was the most Sean
Speaker 3: Payton behavior I've ever seen. And from the from the
Speaker 3: play one he put that he put the guy out
Speaker 3: there as the tackle legs will play and then late
Speaker 3: in the game he was doing hooking ladders with his
Speaker 3: starting offensive tackle and he's spent. He spent the better
Speaker 3: part of that game trying to rub it in Jerry's face.
Speaker 3: And what's really weird and crazy about Jerry, there's a
Speaker 3: twisted part of Jerry that kind of liked that. There's
Speaker 3: a twisted part of Jerry that was just like man,
Speaker 3: I so wish I had a coach that would do
Speaker 3: that to other people, and he doesn't have that in McCarty. McCarthy,
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh guy, respect the game, never show anybody up. That's
Speaker 3: not the way he's wired at all. So Jerry, now,
Speaker 3: as much as he hates to do it, has to
Speaker 3: run him out. And they're three and three. So he's
Speaker 3: not going to do it like Wade Phillips. He's not
Speaker 3: going to do it in the middle of the season.
Speaker 3: But he's got to do a deal kind of like
Speaker 3: he did with Bill Parcells. He's got to get the
Speaker 3: thing done with Belichick, you know, like three weeks before
Speaker 3: the season ends. He's got to get that hammered out.
Speaker 3: He's got to do it privately, and they got to
Speaker 3: get it in place.
Speaker 1: Why was McCarthy two hours late to the press conference.
Speaker 3: No, no, no good explanation. Seriously, just say and I
Speaker 3: mean like it is odd because like why does the
Speaker 3: PR group let everybody just sit in there forever they
Speaker 3: thought it was going to happen. Mike just said that
Speaker 3: the personnel some coaches meetings went long and then they
Speaker 3: had to go into personnel meetings. But you know, given
Speaker 3: what they everybody just witnessed. Of course, the media is like,
Speaker 3: what in the world's going on? But they sent him
Speaker 3: out and said there was nothing to see. And hey,
Speaker 3: one thing McCarthy's done well is he has no there's
Speaker 3: there's no interim coaches like on the staff. Okay, like
Speaker 3: there's nobody. Zimmer's defense has been so awful even when DeMarcus,
Speaker 3: Lawrence and Michael were out there. So you can't turn
Speaker 3: it over to him. What are you gonna do? Give
Speaker 3: it to Schottenheimer, you know, like he's not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: And so you have your Bones Fossil, you have John Fossil,
Speaker 3: your special Teams coach. So there's nobody to step in.
Speaker 3: Maybe Al Harris, there's nobody to do it, so he
Speaker 3: has kind of McCarthy is protected in that way. But
Speaker 3: this thing's headed toward this thing, you know, probably gonna
Speaker 3: go off the rails. And the point is they used
Speaker 3: to be able to beat all their NFC East opponents,
Speaker 3: and so this was an inflated record.
Speaker 1: The Commander twenty four and four against Washington and the Giants.
Speaker 1: That's that's sixty percent of his wins.
Speaker 3: Yes, and everybody wants to talk. But again, Jerry and
Speaker 3: Stephen want credit for those twelve wins seasons. But you're right,
Speaker 3: ton of it came in. Listen. A lot of good
Speaker 3: coaches do that. They take they take advantage of a
Speaker 3: bad division. But the Cowboys problem, of course, is they
Speaker 3: can't take that next step. And what they did against
Speaker 3: Green Bay I think that. I think the most shocking
Speaker 3: part for Jerry, and the most sickening thing to fans
Speaker 3: is that Jerry watched that Green Bay game and his
Speaker 3: response was, let's run it back and let's not change
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think what Jerry would like to say right now
Speaker 3: is I told you he would like he's not going
Speaker 3: to say it. He can't say it. I told you
Speaker 3: why I was waiting on doing this contract. Why in
Speaker 3: addition to McCarthy coaching into the last year. I kind
Speaker 3: of was okay with Dak because right now, in secret
Speaker 3: areas where I'm not andally nobody is, Jerry has to
Speaker 3: be having those conversations. This is why I kept waiting,
Speaker 3: and everybody's like, why didn't you get this done? If
Speaker 3: you'd have gotten this done a while back, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: have had to pay him. Sixty million still would have
Speaker 3: been an enormous amount, but it might not been sixty
Speaker 3: and Jerry would deep down he wondered if he had
Speaker 3: the right quarterback, but he had no recourse in the end,
Speaker 3: right Trey Lance was you know, proved to be nothing,
Speaker 3: and what are you going to do? Try to you know,
Speaker 3: you can't blow it. You've got Dak as your quarterback.
Speaker 3: You're not going to lose twelve games. There was there was,
Speaker 3: There was no He saw no way to find another solution.
Speaker 3: So but that's Jerry, I mean, that's this. That's this
Speaker 3: Cowboys team. Their solution always in the end is well,
Speaker 3: we're just gonna have to pay top of the market money.
Speaker 3: They say they don't want to, but they always end
Speaker 3: up having to do it, and then they want to
Speaker 3: claim we're the only team doing that. There are other
Speaker 3: teams doing that, right, I mean, I mean there's the
Speaker 3: teams that have star quarterbacks and star wide receivers. The
Speaker 3: Cowboys are not the only team, but they want to
Speaker 3: portray it. We're the only team in this situation that
Speaker 3: we have to commit ninety five million a year to
Speaker 3: two players.
Speaker 1: By the way, they drafted Oklahoma left tackle. What's what's
Speaker 1: the verdict on him?
Speaker 3: Just kind of like average so far? Put him in
Speaker 3: their left tackle because of that injury, Tyler Smith had
Speaker 3: to kick out there, and I honestly think they kind
Speaker 3: of like what they saw, so I think they think
Speaker 3: they have a tremendous future with Tyler Smith. Way too
Speaker 3: early on guyon to either stay he's great or say
Speaker 3: he's horrible, Like I've seen guys who are horrible. He's
Speaker 3: not that, Like he's going to be given chances. But
Speaker 3: I think that the scariest thing for anybody associated with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys is that on the past blocking grade. And
Speaker 3: I know you love PFF and sometimes you question them
Speaker 3: and you do the film work on your own. I
Speaker 3: think Zach Martin got a zero point zero on his
Speaker 3: pass blocking. His overall past blocking grade was like a
Speaker 3: twenty eight. He got crushed. He got annihilated. And this
Speaker 3: is a guy who's going to be perhaps in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame someday. He's been one of the best
Speaker 3: guards in the league for like close to a decade,
Speaker 3: and it seems at least in that game, it seems
Speaker 3: like it's falling apart. They're in a bat. To your
Speaker 3: point earlier about Dak, I will say that's the biggest
Speaker 3: distinction between he and Romo. Romo took players like Miles
Speaker 3: Austin and larn Robinson and Gerard on the offensive line
Speaker 3: and he elevated them. Say what you will about his playoffs,
Speaker 3: and I get that it's a fair criticism, but he
Speaker 3: was talented enough to lift kind of middling play and
Speaker 3: lift the team. And boy, Dak's not doing it right now.
Speaker 1: No, No, Tony Romo had bad offensive lines. They got
Speaker 1: good the minute he retired. So Dak has had the
Speaker 1: best running back in the league. DA's had the best
Speaker 1: offensive line on average over the last eight years. And
Speaker 1: as the offensive line is deteriorated and the running back
Speaker 1: room is regressed, it's more Dak. I always said, Romo's
Speaker 1: on a short list of the most underrated quarterbacks. In
Speaker 1: my life, I always thought he was I thought on
Speaker 1: his I thought he was great in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I thought he threw a better ball than Dak. I
Speaker 1: think they move about the same. I think they both
Speaker 1: had leadership abilities. I think Dak's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a ceo field than Tony. Romo's a little squorelyer
Speaker 1: as a guy. But no, it's a Romo never got
Speaker 1: the credit he deserves. Dak's gotten more credit than he deserves.
Speaker 1: That's my take, And I'm fine with Dak. But I
Speaker 1: said as Kirk Cousins is better than Dak. They've both
Speaker 1: made a ton but it's a sit in the pocket
Speaker 1: and throw. And kirk Cousins again is going to win
Speaker 1: his division again this year. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: if you're you can win in this league. If you're
Speaker 1: paying a ton of money at quarterback for a star
Speaker 1: Lamar Mahomes, or you can do it with a rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie deal and surround him with stars,
Speaker 1: you cannot be a viable Super Bowl team if you're
Speaker 1: paying a B quarterback to a B plus quarterback a
Speaker 1: plus money. That's why kirk cousins deal with Atlanta. It's
Speaker 1: pretty Shrewd. It's not a bad contract, it really isn't.
Speaker 1: It's half of what the big money guys in the league,
Speaker 1: and therefore they can keep all their Drake London's and
Speaker 1: all their young receivers.
Speaker 3: It's wild, though, to watch how great Jared Goff looks,
Speaker 3: and you saw him up close and personal, and they
Speaker 3: were so ready to move off him, so ready they
Speaker 3: were like, give us like a thirty six year old
Speaker 3: dude who's taken a million hits. We need this guy
Speaker 3: out of here. And right now, I mean, like, is
Speaker 3: there anybody playing? I mean you might think of one
Speaker 3: or two guys in the in the league right now
Speaker 3: playing or hotter than Jared Goff. So it is kind
Speaker 3: of wild when you put people around them what they
Speaker 3: can do. And he's you know, and and maybe this
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell can coach a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think when you give Jared Goff a good old
Speaker 1: line in a run game, Todd Gurley, Andrew Whitworth and
Speaker 1: the Rams, he can get you to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And you know, I always thought he was Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: but better arm, better talent, but kind of Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan won an MVP and got to a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl as well. Matt Mosley does the Doom Day. Matt
Speaker 1: Moseley does the Doomsday Podcast with a longtime ESPN reporter
Speaker 1: ed Warder. So we did this before the Monday night
Speaker 1: football game. So I'm gonna watch. I think I think
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going to play well tonight. That's my guess.
Speaker 1: We'll see how it works out. But Buffalo's all up.
Speaker 1: James Cooch is not going to play the running back.
Speaker 1: That hurts a lot. They're still missing some people in
Speaker 1: the uh in the receiving course. So I think I
Speaker 1: think Aaron's gonna play well. I think Jets have a
Speaker 1: chance to win.
Speaker 3: I think Jerry was kind of jealous of of Woody
Speaker 3: for making that move, like, hey, you can do that,
Speaker 3: you can you can pull the you know you can
Speaker 3: do that this or that early into season. That's interesting
Speaker 3: that you think that. I I would think I would
Speaker 3: think it would be more of the same. Uh. But
Speaker 3: maybe they'll rally around this new coach and and they'll
Speaker 3: get something. But it'll be uh, it'll it'll be fascinating
Speaker 3: to watch either way.
Speaker 1: Matt Great senior, Zoa's buddy.
Speaker 3: Well, appreciate you having me.
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