WEBVTT - Ep. 309: Battered and Fried 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.080 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.360 every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, everyone. You 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.599 might notice a slight tonal difference in what's being recorded 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.960 right now, perhaps as though it's being recorded on a 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.440 different device than normal. Well it is. That's because what 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.160 I'm gonna say right now is so important. We wanted 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.920 to stand out and fill The engineer came up with 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.160 this brilliant idea to do it on a phone. Here's 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.160 the message. Season ten, Part two of our Netflix show 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:02.440 Me Eater is upon us drops February worry second on Netflix. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.399 So get ready to binge, pull up the couch to 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.000 the old tube, get your pins dialed, cock your spear guns, 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.360 whatever you gotta do to feel prepped. February second. Hot 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:18.920 episodes of Meat Eater on Netflix Now are regularly scheduled 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:29.319 podcast coming to you from the frigid as hell North Dakota. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.000 All right, ja siemens as a um as a way 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.600 of introduction, tell what you got going on in that 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.039 bucket next to you. I'm sitting beside which you don't 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.280 know what because you live in Canada, you don't know 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.240 that that what that thing is called. Well, you told 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:44.560 me it's called a lug. But we kind of call 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.920 everything totes, any sort of plastic containers a tote. No 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.840 tote was a bag, well, plastic containers not all right, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.840 we're calling it a lug. It's a tote or lug. 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.680 And we currently have a northern pike speared by Steve, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:03.440 a white bass copy myself, a perch caught by Mandy 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.400 and the Walleyes. I think kind of a group effort. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.280 But we're doing a little catching cook shar lynch later today. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.240 So I'm pretty excited about that. Uh that that northern 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.760 um when he was frozen, he didn't give off his 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.280 northern smell. No, but now when they thought that like 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.920 the slime, it's it's amplified. It's ideal to not let 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.880 the fish freeze rock solid between you know, catching them 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.400 and cleaning them. But we we let that happen. So, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.840 but when it's negative fifty with wind chill, it's kind 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.880 of hard to do that. Yeah, it's hard to they 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.400 freeze like from the shack of the truck. Introduce yourself 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.560 a little more j and if you want, if you want, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.880 you can do your like you plug my plug, all right, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:51.040 you can do like you damned your better plug Canadian Angle. Yep, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:57.040 plug that. Uh you can plug like another thing or 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:02.040 two maybe, but then mainly uh the fish rye okay yep, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.960 and then plug the battery you gave me, perfect and 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:06.200 you'll be all taken care of. There you go, then 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.400 I'm good. They don't even talk for the rest of 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.880 the podcast. Ah. Yeah. My name is Jay Siemens. I. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.600 Uh I'm an ex fishing guide in Canada turned videographer 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.880 and uh I got a series on the Media to 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.560 YouTube channel called The Canadian Angle kind of a you 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.200 know angle being a videographer, but angle angling fishing words. Yeah, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.600 there you go. Just Hadning picked up on that. I'm sure, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:33.160 what the hell? So yeah, season season two just started 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:38.520 just like oh it all makes sense. Um yeah, season 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.640 two just started dropping and it's an ice fishing uh 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.840 ice fishing season with fits into what we're doing right now. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.840 But uh yeah, I make YouTube videos. Um, and I 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.280 got a little got a little side house with my 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.160 buddy Josh, and we make a fish batter called Catching Cook. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.840 So it's uh, can Americans buy it? We can buy 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.840 it online catch cook dot net. We're slowly getting to 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.920 the American retail space. But I mean I'm always eating fish, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.320 so it's like, you know what, let's let's make something 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.560 of our own. So we've got spices to compete with 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.640 meat eater. We got some batter and uh bat some 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.440 some folding flame knives. So I'm not a batter guy. Batter, well, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.400 I mean batter coating. I mean we got the beer batter. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.239 This is like more of a just a flower based coating. Yeah, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.400 coating flower corn U there's flower some some corn meal 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.120 and some other secret ingredients in there. And uh, I 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.279 gifted Steve. Steve was iron up some of my gear 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.360 and I got a little it's called the power box 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.800 and it's a lithium battery and like a little hard 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.760 sided case. Should know about this. Yeah, it's great for 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.160 capping here either. No, I'm not gained that battery. You 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.360 get into free battery box. Um. Yeah, it's got a 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.280 couple of USBs A cigarette later. I'm always filming ice, fishing, camping, whatever, right, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.160 So you know, charge your phone twenty times off at once. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.960 But d coda a lithium power box and uh, I'm 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.840 a battery guy, little plastic box. You're a big battery guy. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.000 Was you like plugging stuff in? My my fear is 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.440 going fishing or showing up at a shoot, my batteries 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.000 being dead, or your your life's battery died halfway through 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.880 your day. So if you're if you're an avid angler, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.279 you kind of gotta be a battery person. Yeah, a 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.599 lot of batteries going on. Like, especially ice fishing, there's 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.760 a lot of batteries going on. A lot of like 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.760 trying to keep batteries alive in the cold, and then 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.039 if you're fishing out of the boat open water, a 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.520 lot of batteries going on, trying to keep all your 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.640 stuff round. That's made right in North Dakota. Not made, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.919 but they're they're companies based out of Northdakota. Yeah. The 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.440 colda Lithium cool name. Yeah, you start a rock band 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.800 called The colda Lithium, We're gonna get back to seth 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.440 big time. A lot of boat stuff. We got to 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.280 talk about a lot of boat dealings. Well, I might 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.760 be selling I might be selling Seth my boat. Actually 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:47.360 we're doing some dealings off. Yeah, we'll roll it into 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.200 the boat talk. And then we got to talk about 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.200 this little project we got called Seth side Hustle. Yeah, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.640 but this is gonna get me in a lot of 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.920 trouble with Tracy because she doesn't like it when we 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.120 preview uh to start promoting things that don't yet this 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.360 then wind up for some reason being impossible to do. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.520 But I just can't see it. I can't foresee this 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.000 being impossible. Seth Little Hustle. Yeah, it's gonna be called 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:11.760 there'll be a drop down. If you go to the 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.000 meteor dot com you'll find a little drop down it 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:19.600 says Seth Little Hustle. Yep, man, introduce yourself now, whatever 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.479 aspects of yourself, because there's sort of like you have 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.600 like a dual. You have a dual, you have a 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.680 dual existence. I do can you do? Can you talk 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.039 about both the duels? Yeah? Heiken So by day. For 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.400 the last twenty one years, I am a biologist. I've 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.120 worked for the State of Minnesota and multiple different divisions 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:40.560 and capacities. I love my job. When I'm not at 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.240 that job, I do wear multiple hats. Um I'm an 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.479 abbot angler. I'm also a tournament angler. So I fish 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.640 year round a fish about thirty derbuts a year, multiple species. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.400 UM I used angle, I guide UH. I co host 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.760 a weekly radio show. I've had a co host a 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.599 TV show for the last seven years and they donate 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:05.720 about two year two nonprofits and bets groups. So m 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:13.400 tell about your last name. Urick. Okay, I had. I 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:14.920 want people to know I have nothing to gain in 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:20.480 this transaction. I'm about ready to layout nothing to gain. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:27.800 I had a Jackson kayak big tuna, Yes, a tandem 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.920 sit on top fishing kayak for rough as water, and 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.400 we had caught a lot of fish out of this thing. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.920 I got to where I was, I got to live 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.840 in an area where just wasn't using it as much 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:47.200 because just local circumstances and which wasn't applicable to where 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:52.240 I was. And UH gave it a seth to use 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.360 and you use it a couple of times, us a lot, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.160 use it a lot. But then he went on to 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.600 bigger than you just and you got you got like 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.400 all the olates and I used that. I used that 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.280 a lot. Kelsey and I would use it floating several 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.320 rivers around Montana. But it's not like a great river, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.720 you know, it's open water. It's an open water boat. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.840 So we end up just getting an old town canoe. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.760 And then, um, we didn't need the sweet boat the 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.320 kayak anymore. It's got like chairs in it. It's got 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.680 a perforated at live well it's not aerated, but you 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.120 can put fish in there and just as you move around, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.880 it circulates water, keeps them alive. Real good. I used 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.760 to use that thing all the time. Probably not tournament ready, no, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.400 not tournament ready. No. It's got an anchor system that 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.160 I personally rigged up. Sweet anchor system. Um, it's got everything. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.080 So you go look for yourself what a Jackson kayak 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.360 big Tune is worth. I don't know what what the hell 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.480 they're worth. Worth a lot of money, Yeah, it's like 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.360 a two grand to think so Ridge Pounder. We kind 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.599 of pure pressured Rich Pounder in buying it. Yep, for 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.800 I don't want to get into sums, but for a 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.760 fraction of its value. Because he had some cockamamie plan 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.880 by which he was gonna come retrieve it and bring 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.120 it back to California with him so he could become 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.000 a surf perch master. Sorry, it's in bows matter. Where 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.920 is it? It's it's it. Yeah, it's at my house 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:20.880 in three So now the word things stand now. I 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.320 was telling christ the all day and we were sitting 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:29.560 in shanny Um. I won off this deal because even 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.160 though I gave it the Seth, once Seth sold it 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.839 to Chris, I kept half that money just because the 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.760 felt that that was fair. And I don't know if 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.920 you remember, but you gave me that kayak because I 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.800 helped you hang that big gass mirror in your house 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.280 as soon as you walk in your door. Yeah, he 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.720 got He got that too. So I got my mirror 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.560 hung up. So here's all I want. I got my 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.800 mirror hung up. I got half the very very modest 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:04.520 sale price. Yep, Seth got half the mode of sale price. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.120 But now he's getting bones. He's had to move it 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.520 around a whole bunch. But here's the big winner and 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.200 this whole thing right now as stands is, Dirt Smith 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.240 is gonna come take it, not pay anybody anything, and 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:22.360 he's gonna come take it. And how's it until Ridge 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.000 comes in. Yeah, he's gonna be the caretaker of it. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.400 So we're all of us, all involved parties were in 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.480 a shandy the other day and I was telling Chris, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.400 just like you can't have a shandy full of whiners, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.000 you can't have a shandy full of winners. Someone's got 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.000 to lose, and he's the loser. He's losing. He bought it, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.360 but he can't get it. So the reason I'm bringing 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.400 this up to listeners is if someone you have to 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.680 come get it out of Seth yard. Yeah, if it 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.040 works out, come get in my yard. How what do 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.000 they have to Let's make it a deal. They gotta 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.679 give you and then you're gonna split the money with 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.720 Ridge or no, yeah, you'd it with him. You wouldn't 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.680 just keep the money. They're like bailing Ridge out. We're 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.760 basically doing all this work for Chris and he's not 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:12.679 doing ship. So you come and give you the listener sending. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.679 Uh you know where they should send it because you're 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.760 in there anyway. Where do you want the emails to go? 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.439 Info at Seth Side Hustle dot com. No, because this 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:27.400 is nothing to do with Seth Side House, the project, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.679 the Seth Little Hustle. This is Seth Little Side Hustle. Yeah, 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.000 name a price and name how they're supposed to get 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.080 ahold of you? That should they d M you? Yeah? 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.640 I probably just a d M to my Instagram. Tell 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.560 him what it is at signs Underscore West. Um. So 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.640 here's social media coming in again. Send me DM and 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.720 what was I forget? The price? We were? We doesn't matter. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:58.800 Just just throw one out there. Thousand bucks, thousand bucks. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:05.679 It's like it's mint condition, mint condition, big Tuna, Jackson Kayak, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.920 phenomenal boat in sets yard. Thousand bucks. Here's what happens 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.800 with that thousand bucks? Ridge Pounder gets his money back. Yeah, 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.560 then set the sides. Whether he just hoards the rest 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.120 for himself or splits the profits with him, it's up 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.200 seth splits the profits with Chris. Yeah, no, I'm keeping it. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.040 You're just gonna give his money. You're just giving his 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.080 money back. You're gonna refund it. Yeah, I'll refund his money, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.280 but then you're keeping it. But yeah, the rest I'm 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.880 keeping because that's that's Chris is. That's what Chris owes 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.400 me for storage, moving, for moving it, and for doing 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:45.640 this whole transaction. Okay, that's fair. Here's the thing. You 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.640 gotta come pick some bitch up though, we're not like 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.240 sets not involved. Seth would be like it's in the yard, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.800 come get it and you can keep my sweet anchor. Yep, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.800 it's a fishy boat. It's seen a lot of fish. Yeah, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.000 I fished it all. My kids have fished it, my 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.080 mos fished it. A lot of people fish that boats 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.240 like doss boat. I feel I was. I was one 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.480 time out in the middle of Canyon Ferry. There's a 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.400 bunch of walleye boats out there, and I was like, well, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.200 the bite must be on out there. Didn't have my 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.440 boat that I have now, so I just Kelsey and 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.679 I paddled out there and we didn't catch any walleye. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.040 But we tell him that, say like, say like we 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.760 slew we outfished all the balleye boats, say something like 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:30.280 that boat, Well, it's not the boat's problem. He outfished all. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.880 What I'm saying. What I'm saying is the boat is 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.240 capable to get out there with all the big wallete 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.320 I just wanted to be like a different like the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.760 way the story was going, I was expecting to be 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:47.720 that you slay well, we can say that, yeah, okay, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.320 lay out the other boat issue you guys got, But 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:51.800 let me, let me, let me tee it up. Okay, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.880 it up. We've talked extensively over the last year about 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.839 how uh seth and in Chester the Midwestern are gonna 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:05.719 going to the Walleye Tournament. Yes, and we're like sponsoring 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.480 the Walleye. They're making a show about them. We're gonna 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:15.920 make a show about them just winning Montana. So doing 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.920 the Montana leg of the Walleye Tour. Correct, it's it's 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.640 the Montana. It's like the Montana Circuit, Montana Wall Eyes 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:31.560 Unlimited doing the Montana competing in the Montana Circuit. When 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:32.920 you get after you do that way in are you 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.440 allowed to keep those fish and eat them? Or you 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.920 have to go dump back in the lake? You gotta 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.000 release the well this this year it's photo. It's picture 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:45.520 and release. Okay, mildly less enthusiastic about this whole thing, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:51.480 But what do you mean that's fine? Um? I just 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:52.760 thought you could be out there. I thought you could 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.480 have a big old like one of like Jay's fish fry, batter, 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.080 catch and cook big like you know race cars have 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.520 like tied or whatever. Ye how much to wrap your boat? 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.280 How you both gonna be wrapped? You know what? Maybe 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.320 catch a cook is gonna sponsor you guys, because they're 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.960 gonna let them all go. Well, they'll probably kill one 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.600 accidentally along the way, so we can pre fish. We 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.960 keep a couple, you know. Okay, let's go to wrap it. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.880 We might not even need a boat sponsorship. We're just 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.720 gonna buy you a boat, catch and cook wrap there 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.640 the little jack a little raising jackets and stuff to say, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.800 catching cookoun be sweet? That would be sweet and be 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.400 good for ja. So you're gonna do this thing. We're 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.280 gonna make a show. We're gonna making a YouTube series, right, 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.640 help me out? Yeah, to pick it up? Sell me up? 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.800 How many don't don't end up like you did the 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:41.000 kayak story that ended? Yeah, So it's it's four stops. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.520 Unfortunately one of them is on the day I get 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.560 married this year, so you're gonna have to leave the 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.560 wedding early. We we're only doing three. We're doing three 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.040 of the four, derby is what you only need to 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.080 do three of the four to angler the year? Yeah, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.240 that's what you guys are gonna do. So and so 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.880 and how did it wind up being that you got 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.840 scheduled to get married? Just just bad coincidence, it's too 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.760 late to move the wedding. Yeah. Yeah, do you know 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.920 I'm the I'm going to be the preacher at Seth wedding. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.720 Can I talk about that? Yeah, go for it. I'm 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.400 gonna be the preacher at Seth wedding. What's the date 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.480 for that? J Do you have to do an online 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.920 like certification? I gotta look into that. I might check 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:26.400 it right now, but cost fifteen dollars. And you're ready 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:31.200 to go back to the wally. So we I have 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.200 a I got a sixteen and a half foot It's 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:39.640 a sweet boat Sylvan. But if anybody is familiar with 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.000 Fort Pack, and is that one of the locations one 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.960 of the locations that I'm really excited about Stop number one. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.200 It's big and Seth and I could be out there 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.840 in my little sixteen and a half footer and and 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.680 I have a sixteen and foot sixteen and a half 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:59.360 foot cress liner that is not capable. Yeah you guys 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.040 are you guys are boat poor? Underbot your ambition rich 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.359 yet boat poor? The wind could come up and we 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.480 could be um. It would be like the Trump Fitzgerald yea, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.520 the legend lives on. It would be a song written 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.960 about Lake Michigan steams like young man's dreams. It's islands 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:23.440 and Bazar for sportsmen. Uh, these boys need a boat. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.920 We need a boat. If I owned a boat company, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.440 pert just per means just me speaking. If I owned 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.200 a boat company and I was like, and I was 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.520 sitting there with my marketing budget ship right, and I 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:36.560 was like, what am I gonna do this year for 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.160 my marketing budget? And I'm like on Instagram checking out, like, Oh, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.600 here's a fishing influence or whatever. And I caught wind 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:49.200 of the fact that Seth and Chester are doing uh 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:54.440 meat Eater YouTube series about their quest to become Angler 0:17:54.520 --> 0:18:01.440 of the Year. High production value in the boat was 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.800 gonna be like the star like you want to talk 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.760 about impressions, the boats like the main thing you want 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.760 to talk about impressions. I'm just saying if I owned 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.359 the boat company, I would be hitting sets d M 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.920 or go to What's yours musky Chat, go to muskie 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.119 Chat or just contact at the mediator dot com, and 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.760 I would be like dropping a lot of I would 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.919 be calling people. How do they put it? Jay, you 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.920 had to happen to you one time because the boat 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:34.080 shortages I'm trying to think with the well, it just 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:39.399 they they shuffle, Yeah, things move around. Jay's watching his 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:44.639 ass right now because he doesn't want jameson I get 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.880 implicated in any of this. I would be sitting there 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.480 looking and I'd be like, man, I'm gonna get those 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:54.840 boys a Walleye boat. That's right, even though you gotta 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.639 understand it's gonna be raft with catching cook big a 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.760 lotcraft guy Manny's Manny's a lenon or also we both 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:02.520 kind of. I mean, I think it's you got to 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.040 be fishing in the limit craft. But hey, I like, 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.239 I don't discriminate at this point. Beggars can't be choosers. Ye, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.520 A boat, a Walleye boat company needs to come in 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.640 and help these boys out so they can get out 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.920 there and not be out in them little boats of theirs. Now, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.119 what if the Walleye Boat Company came and said you 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.240 can use this boat for that? Then you got to 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:28.960 give it back. It's yeah, see it's better nothing. But 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.200 if we could be you know, going to the Elite 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.480 series Bess too. No, I'm just kidding. Let me another thing. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.040 Let me lay out an earth thing for you. What 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.959 I think would have to happen. Just so you know, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.760 what I think would have to happen is I think 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.480 we would have to do it like this. They'd probably 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.639 wind up having to they'd probably have to give the 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.639 boat to me either. Yes, but would be like your 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.679 guy's boat to use and take care of. And I 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.760 would make it be that people had to come ask 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.919 you permission to use it. But in the future, how 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.760 would you guys divide the boat up? Would you fight 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.720 over it? Would you wrestle over eight percent of the 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.080 time when we're fishing, we're together, so you don't foresee 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.359 it being a big issue. You could you feel that 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.640 you two could effectively co own a boat? Yeah, I'm 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.320 pretty easy going. Yeah, I'd let Seth use it whenever. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.520 Well we share, we've Yeah, you know, what were you 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.640 getting two problems when you call own stuff and I've 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.880 never had because I own I call owned the fish act. 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.960 We never had the issue someone says, I think we 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.560 were doing for a new boat, and we got we're 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.720 gonna buy a new boat, and someone says, like, I 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.120 don't want to do that. Yeah, you know, we've never 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.679 had that problem. We've always unanimously agreed on like priorities, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.399 but you could have a situation where one he's like, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.600 I want to redo the electronics package. Everyone's like, man, 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.679 I can't afford I don't want to do that. So 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.919 they're like, well, I'm gonna go do it anyway, and 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.880 then you then now you have bitterness. Yeah, I could 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:03.240 see this boat really been you two apart. I can't 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:04.800 if it ever came to that, I'd be like, you 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:09.120 know what, you can have that boat. Oh yeah, have 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.199 you have you have you guys fish tournaments before? Is 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.840 this gonna be like the first tournaments into the full tour. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.520 It's really cute. We fished out when other people were 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.000 this is the cutest thing in the world. It's the 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.159 cutest thing in the world. There's a tournament going on, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.080 and they went and fished together that day just to 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.240 see how they could you wage your own fish that 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.280 day and saw you would have stacked up if you 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.119 paid the entry. Yeah. If we well, we fished and 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.639 then we went and looked at the board and we 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:43.040 would have done very well. Yeah. So if you if 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.480 you have a boat company and you want to get 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:50.400 on board with some winners and get some high profile exposure. 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:55.720 These boys need a Walleye boat. Here's another thing. If 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.320 any green lip dude, this is happening, I was in 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.840 on the meeting, any other winnings. We're not keeping them. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.400 We're not taking that putting it in our pocket, um, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:10.040 which you know would be nice putting it. We're actually 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:19.120 we're actually, oh my god, we're not doing that. Definitely 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.600 not doing that, Steve. We're gonna put it back towards 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:27.639 um like access like a boat ramp improvements, UM, fish 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:33.160 cleaning station on. However, Seth and I, you know some 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.879 project that had that's related to the bodies of water 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:41.200 where you guys right, So some project related to access enhancement, 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.760 M ramp improvements like fish clean whatever, whatever the you know, 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.639 whatever whatever date needs, whatever whoever needs. We had a 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.600 we had a guy right into us saying that there 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.880 he's a guy who owns a company that makes those 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.679 like prefab concrete outhouses. Because we talked about like if 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.200 boat ramp needs a shifter or something, be like something 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.639 we'd invest in. That guy was like, let me know, 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.840 we'd be sponsored by catching cook and boat ramp ship. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.320 So now you lost half to wrap. Yeah, you don't 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.680 even get the port side is gonna be catching cooked side. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:25.199 It's gonna be boat ramp shitters. U let me let 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.720 me review this for boat manufacturers. Here's what you're getting, 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:33.200 massive impressions when the show comes out. Um, you're helping 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.600 access if if they win some some loot, you get that. 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.399 You're tied to that generous gesture because they're not pocketing 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.560 any loot. Um, I can tell you one day you 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.159 can use the boat if you want. You can just 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.160 borrow it back on seth wedding day. He's not gonna 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.400 be using it. Help so you can do a Walleye trip. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.000 Boats already up in Montana. Do a walleye trip June. 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:59.040 No problems, no conflicts. Um, they ain't come fish with 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.119 us any time. They throw this in full. This in 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.359 here's another thing, and this has a lot of value. 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.040 We will talk about that boat on this show ten times. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.840 Oh wow, and enormous valt on my personal instagram. How 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.239 many times that's in my whole instagram will just be 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:22.040 around that boat. Okay, I'm just I'm just lending you. 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.280 I can't do I'm just lending my boat. I want 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.040 to fill to install that astonishment with We will spend 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:37.080 so much time on that boat. We'd probably get like 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.840 a WiFi hotspot on that boat and just work on 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.600 the boat. I spend a certain amount of time in 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.600 my boat that's not as much as I like because 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:50.800 of windy days. I can't get out there on windy days. Man. 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.520 I think the boat manufacturers gonna beating your door down, Dude. 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:54.920 I think we're just gonna cut this out and I'm 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.720 just giving you my boat. That's all. That's all compelling. 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.480 This whole thing is. Yeah, I see, I see the value. 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:05.840 We sell a lot of catching covers. Okay, you're ready 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.240 to move on that. That covers boat news. Now, people 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.320 are probably so excited about the wallet boat they forgot 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:15.600 about the big tune of kayak. But remember, uh vaccinating 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:20.400 zoo animals. Wow, this has been going on for quite 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.520 a while. But I want to cover like the transition, 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.320 you know, yeah, you like the transition. There had transitions 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:34.320 being Walleye boats vaccinating zoo animals. This caught my eye. 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:40.040 They were a picture of where they're fixing the vaccinate 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.360 some stuff for COVID. The feending that I was reading 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.879 an article where the Phoenix Arizona Zoo is the latest 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:51.920 to vaccinate animals that are likely to get COVID because 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.960 of close contact with humans. I didn't know this. Um 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:03.119 Nebraska's Lincoln Children's Zoo, they lost three snow leopards to COVID. 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:09.240 Really yeah, so they worked up It was this outfit 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:14.600 that worked up this uh. Zotis Zodis, a global animal 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:19.200 health company based in New Jersey, worked up some kind 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:24.440 of vaccine, donated doses for the zoos, and they got 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:31.320 authorized emergency use for endangered species. So they've been vaccinating um, 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:38.120 Sumatran tigers, jaguars, African lions. Hit him with a dark gun. 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.399 Huh for those unvaccinated folks, a better watch out sometimes people, 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:49.679 the government's just gonna come over dark. Yeah, that's a 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.800 good conspiracy to start. I worked up another conspiracy. Young 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.119 gonna start, Like there's kind of a fun one to 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.840 start about how to stay warm and cold weather, um, 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.359 like a physiology. And then we could work one up 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.959 that we heard, like all those black helicopters that we're 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.320 gonna do like you know, New World Order, they're now 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.560 just using them to vax people who don't who won't 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.120 get vaxed with tranked darts. That's what happened to Chester's 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:19.160 cousin All right Chester. Um they've been did I say 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:24.280 African lions with it? With a dart um born Ian orangutangs, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.920 Emperor tamarins. They're hitting the fruit bats. That seems that 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:34.200 makes sense to me, Gypsian fruit bats, Armadilla's sloths. That 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.600 must be a pretty tiny dose in a bat. Yeah, 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.200 how do you think who is being interesting? Who calculates that? Out? 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.960 At that zoo, the Phoenix Arizona Zoo, they've they've they've 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.639 they've needled seventy five animals. I'm gonna put this on 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.960 my Instagram, a picture of a jaguars doing and I 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.000 had the comment on as what I'm gonna put on 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.960 Instagram is a comment about I could picture it calls 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:07.399 using creating some real soul searching. At Peter people for 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.800 the ethical treatment of animals, they probably will have to 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.439 have a meeting about whether they like vehemently oppose or 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:20.760 vehemently support because they're down on zoos anyway, they're down 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:26.120 on pet ownership, right, So how do they feel like 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.880 this animal has no say? Like they don't like um 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.560 sexual mutilation of animals when you when you cut their 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.239 nuts off and stuff. Maybe they do. I don't know, 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:40.720 but um, yeah, like are they how do you spend 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.280 that in that org? Good question, like are they like 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.840 pissed or do they like it? Because you one could argue, 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:50.960 one could say, hey, man, it's not the jaguar's fault 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:52.840 that he's in the zoo. That sucks for him. They 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.240 shouldn't be able to do that. But since he is there, 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:56.960 the least you can do is keep him from dying 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.800 catching COVID. Like that's a pro coach or would be. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.520 The other approach would be, this is yet another example 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:12.120 of us forcing our will on animals without there consent, 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:16.160 you know, consent. Yeah, there are some internal meetings about that. 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.000 I feel like they should dial me in for those meetings. 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.400 I'd be like, listen, man, I know you and I 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.640 got our differences, but I'm very interested in this one 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.240 and we should have we I'd like to help hash 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:33.200 this one out. Yeah, that's crazy. After we did our episode, 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.560 which one you guys can remember who was on these shows? 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.760 Were you guys there for Doug and Halflefinger? No, we 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:44.360 were there with no theat it was called talking about 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.600 things that are not sexy to talk about. That was 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:52.800 Spencer and who else was there? Not well in the 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.320 in the episode talking about things that are not sexy 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:59.440 to talk about. I talked about Doug send me mean 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.920 text Messa just and trying to start a fight with 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.760 me over text, and Doug said he wasn't trying to 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.160 be mean, it's just his text messages sometimes seemed mean, 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:11.960 and he says he wished he He said he needs 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:17.840 to be better about moderating his tone on text messages. Help. Yeah, 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:21.520 but I refuse to use emojis. There's no way in 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:26.240 the world. Didn't you say thumbs up? Was like he 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.479 didn't carry your piste off Like I tried the thumbs 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.240 up one time and felt so bad I could barely 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:36.320 sleep that night. I will not. I don't when I text, 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.800 I don't use abbreviations. I spelled everything out. I punctuate 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:46.760 everything basically. If you imagine, my texts are the opposite 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:51.760 of Trump's tweets. I don't like everything is like perfect 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:53.440 in my text mess I try to make it perfectly 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.360 my text messages. I don't use emojis, but when I 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.920 get him. But my daughter knows I hate emojis, so 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.840 she'll now and then get on her mom's phone and 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:09.040 just send me like five page streams of of emojis. Um, 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:10.960 you gotta, I mean, let me tell you go ahead. 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.160 No like voice you seem like the type of guy 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:17.080 that do voice messages, busy guy. Do that? Aith that 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.840 because I'm afraid there'd be a type of in it. No, no, no, 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.120 but like straight straight voice like not even not even 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.680 voice the tax just like voice memos. No, I don't 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.560 do this, do that? No, you know what's funny about Um, 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.880 here's another story about that. Okay, put this one on hold. 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.200 About Doug, I'm gonna tell another Dog story. We laughed 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.720 for like two years about this because Doug was doing 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.200 there's some argument with Doug drn, I can't remember what 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:46.080 it was. And Dog was doing like talking into the text, 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.000 and Doug was trying to settle a disagreement with someone, 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:54.680 saying that he would arm wrestle them for it. But 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.160 the way his voicing put down is that he was 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.800 gonna farm wrestle them for it. And we had a 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:06.560 lot laughs about what exactly farm wrestling. Dog and Mom 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.240 like what farm wrestling means, and we came up with 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.320 a lot of a lot of definitions about what a 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.720 farm wrestling match might look like. For Doug like, never 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.640 go to dogs for farm wrestling. Um. There's an app, folks, 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.760 folks you know about this. It's called Our Family Okay, 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.920 our Family Wizard Communication app. A guy wrote in, I 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.360 deal with this problem of tonality and text messages. I 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.719 deal with this problem all the time in the context 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:40.400 of parents who can't seem to communicate nicely with one another. 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:45.160 This is divorced parents in dealing about their kids, so 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.520 divorced parents taking care of kids. I deal with this 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.440 problem all the time in the context of parents who 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.000 can't seem to communicate nicely with one another, and the 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:58.400 court will often have them use the Our Family Wizard 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:05.160 communication app with the tone meter feature turned on Our 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:10.400 Family Wizard dot com slash Knowledge, Dash Center, Slash tips, 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:15.720 Dash Tricks, slash Parents, Dash Website, slash tone meter. It'll 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.760 be in the notes. You got that written now, and 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.160 you can get that out analyze your tone with tone meter. 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.440 They make suggestions about how to make it seem nicer. 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:35.000 Watch this transition correction about gunshot wounds and tampons. Okay, 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:42.000 we're talking about we covered pretty heavily. Uh. People writing 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:47.760 in about plugging up gunshot wounds of tampons. Apparently in 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:52.560 the medical community this is frowned upon first responders. Military 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:57.880 people are implored not to do this. This fellaw that 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.480 rolled in goes. It is worrying that more people are 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.959 talking about the improper in this case use of a 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.840 tampon to control massive bleeding. It can be both dangerous 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.640 due to debris for getting to breas further into the wounds, 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:17.000 but in a prehospital environment it could be fatal. Tampons 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.920 are not sterile? How is that true? Tampons are not sterile? 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.719 In an article in the Emergency Medicine Journal highlights that 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.960 when it comes to life threatening bleeding, a tampon cannot 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.120 provide the surface area or the pressure required to control 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:34.600 massive bleeding. Tampons absorbed blood, they do not provide any 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:40.040 hemostatic assistance. The average tampon can absorb nine million leaders 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.640 of blood or about two teaspoons. Life threatening bleeding occurs 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:47.280 when there is a greater than fifteen hundred million leaders 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.600 of blood. Once it absorbs its max, wouldn't it just 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.480 still keep that whole plug now? Apparently not so. Just 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.280 a tourniquet or hemostatic dressing is preferred to control massive bleeding. 0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.719 Regular as maybe used, but it needs to be in 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:06.040 sufficient amount. The American College of Surgeons and Stop the 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:11.200 Bleed Program recommends when you do not have hemostatic dressing, 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.840 sterile dressings, or a tourniquet us clothing to pack a 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:20.320 wound shirt pants, even if it's covered in body sweat. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.080 It's more likely to provide a hemorrhage control than a tampon. Huh. 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:29.000 What brought this up is we're decorating the family Christmas 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.080 tree this year and our kids were asking about these 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.920 little snowman ornaments that my wife had and they were 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.799 like wondering what it was. And I had never seen 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.160 them before, but they're like little snowman's made out of 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:47.840 tampons as a Christmas ornament. And then somehow it came up. Yeah, huh. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.920 My uncle one time at a boat ramp slices leg 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.960 real bad on the hitch and walking around the back 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.560 of the truck. It's deadly to walk around the back 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:02.719 of a truck. MAXI path on the cut and still 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.520 went fishing. But yeah, he's still living. Put that whoever 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.040 wrote in put that in your pipe and smoke it. 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.560 Chester's uncles live. And well, do we need to get 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:16.120 to the root. Though, where did he get the maxipad from? 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.279 Like why did he have this maxis? Where did this 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.080 come from? Like is this part of his like emergency 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.359 kit that he keeps with him, like digging around the globe, 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:30.280 digging around in the truck and his wife. I didn't 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:35.399 ask him. I'll be like Uncle Pete, let's get Uncle 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.040 Pete down the show. We'll talk about about it. We'll 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.839 do the whole episode about this. A guy wrote in 0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.839 see he made up this word, but he we were 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.680 talking about some of this came up on an episode 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.719 a long time ago of a guy that wrote in that, 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.560 Oh remember those boys, Remember when Luke Combs is on 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.719 the show, and those guys were talking about some friend 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.319 of theirs that when he uses the restroom he needs 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.040 to take all his clothes off. It's just like it's 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.879 like this is a real thing. It's like a psychological disorder. Yeah, 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.040 I know someone like that. Yeah. This guy came up 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:16.279 with a name called fiece pantaphobia. He made the word up, 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.160 but he said, it's like it's an actual thing. It's 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.680 like this like intense fear of pooping on your pants, 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:28.040 like contact with feces and sufferers, sufferers of which he 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:34.480 is one. They take, they undress, and you say, when 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.120 he's pooping out in the woods, it's like he has 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.279 still undressed. I worries about in the woods when you're 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.799 wearing bibs and heavy clothing, and it's like, but I'm 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.799 pooped back into my bibs. Has well not not yet 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.919 for me. But we had careful Dirt told the great 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:50.719 was the Dirt told that story. Dirt told a great 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.480 story on on the show years ago, or maybe not 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.680 a while ago, about a guy he knows that um 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.319 can he he was a heavy equipment operator and one 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.080 day he's in his equipment all day and he's smelling 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.560 like the unmistakable smell of human feces, but he can't 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.160 figure out the source, and he's checking his clothes and 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.600 nothing makes sense, and eventually he realizes that he had 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.960 landed one on his suspender. Oh so it had got 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:23.000 on his suspender right here, right, so all day when 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.799 he turned to the right, you know, but then when 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.440 he dropped down, when he'd like dropped his bridges and 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.879 everything to try to investigate what went wrong. He never 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:36.480 suspected that MEA's an air fresher hanging off his ear. 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:43.279 Uh there was a guy. Oh you'll you'll appreciate this, JA, 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.439 he wrote, I am not the only one, A good 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.920 buddy of mine. That was what the Canadian Armed Forces. 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.920 You're probably excited now, aren't you. Minnico. I had to 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.439 explain to j why Canadians lacked at l that American girl. 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.400 Oh yeah, we got right into it. I felt attack. 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:06.799 I'm proud to be Canadian, but yeah, I love Canadians. Man. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:11.439 Every time I go up to Canada, I think North 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:15.479 the Colin's are isest. Canadians. Don't get any ideas about 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.239 invading this year. I know it, like it couldn't be 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.399 nice if we could just yeah, don't go and get 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.040 don't don't get any ideas about Red Dawn in North Dakota. 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:27.200 UM friend of the Canadian Forces told me the story 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.880 about when they were on maneuvers that required bio security 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.839 suits to be warned for an extended period of time. 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:40.759 A fellow soldier I actually got this is not the 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.319 word he used, but we'll say poopy dab inside his 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:47.600 suit and because of the nature of the maneuvers they wereround, 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:54.360 had to wear that suit for twenty four hours. Brutal. 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.520 He now we'll not poop in the woods without taking 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:05.000 his pants off. I mean, that's understandable. That's a scarring, 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:17.920 scarring twenty hours. I was saying how I wanted to 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:19.680 go around and like you know when you're driving down 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.200 the road and they have like a silence, as like 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.160 historical marker ahead, and you pulled over and be like 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:29.640 at this site the first gristmill was right opened in 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:34.400 seventeen o sevt Um. I was saying, they should do 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.080 that where birds went extinct. But they do do that 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.840 where birds went extinct. I didn't know this. The Lost 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:43.719 Bird Project already did it. They've erected memorials to the 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:49.840 heath hen Carolina Parakeet, Labrador Dock, Great oc Passenger pigeon, 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.360 the Great oc Up in your neck of the woods, 0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:56.719 there j Up in Canada, the heath hen Um in 0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:02.160 New England, Carolina parakeet down the floor them, the passenger 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.480 pigeon in Ohio, the Labrador dock in New York, all 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.680 these little memorials. And then they sent some pictures of 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.480 the various memorials. In they have a bronze statue of Martha, 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:16.359 the last passenger pigeon, at her near the aviary where 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:22.000 she died. It's funny how all of those are out east, 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.440 like those memorials. Yeah, it's interesting point they dot the 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:36.239 eastern seaboard. Maybe they don't have a travel budget. Guy 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:40.719 running about cooking diaphragms, So someone wrote in saying that 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.120 he's always cut the diaphragm off his big game harvest 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.520 and left it with the gut pile. But then this 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.080 is someone right in. But then you got to think, 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.239 and why not eat the muscle since it looks like 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:54.879 it could make a pretty decent sized meal. Well, thankfully, Um, 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.320 this guy's probably been eating diaphragm his whole life. Doesn't 0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:03.040 know it. So oh, when you go and you get 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:10.759 um flank steak, skirt steak, right, skirt steak is like 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.160 skirt is diaphragm. So it's like skirt is where the 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.319 diaphragm hooks into the rib cage. So when you're getting 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.240 a deer and you go to like when you're gotting 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.799 the deer and you want to clear the diaphragm out 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.080 so you can pass everything back, and you trace the 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:27.040 diaphragm along the wall of the rib like that that 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.839 junction where the diaphragm kind of goes into a little 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:31.880 mass and muscle that seems to be like glued up 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:37.719 against the ribs. That skirt and hanger is like the 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:39.840 rear part of the diaphragm. So you've been eating that 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:41.680 stuff your whole life. The problem is on deer, it's 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.360 just not like big enough the mess with. But you 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.439 get up into something like a moose, you can make 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:51.239 you can do like legit skirt steak off moose. Kevin 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.520 Gillespie goes on to say, you should also tell him 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:58.560 that on larger animals, the chef, Kevin Gillespie, you should 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.719 also tell them that on larger animal such as biss 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.600 and will the bees elk, there's another muscle that sits 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:08.080 just below the diaphragm and helps it contract. Technically it 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:12.840 is the crewa of the diaphragm, but culinarily we know 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:18.480 it as hangar steak. And it's incredible. Now here's what 0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:19.880 I want to dig into a fair bid because this 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:27.200 has enormous implications. This just happened Utah. So a while 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.120 ago I hit the news the Arizona was banning trail 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:35.960 cams during hunting season. Okay, Montana, right now, you can't 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.080 use trail cams during hunting season that transmit a signal, 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:45.760 so the transmit messages. So a divided Utah Wildlife Board 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:52.280 voted to band trail cam for hunting. When these motion 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.799 activated devices are used to aid in the taking of game, 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.600 their uses like a sally proliferated all over place. There 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.520 are there. I've seen stuff on social media. This is 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.120 not the article I'm looking at, but just me talking, 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:08.440 I've seen stuff on social media where guys will go 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.000 to like a water hole in the Arizona Strip and 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:18.040 they'll be twenty four trail cams hanging around. Um. Sometimes 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.480 they're used like this, just speaking personally, Sometimes they're used. 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.319 Is kind of like you see some strange use of 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.920 trail cans on public land to uh. I was hunting 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:31.440 turkeys with my kids in the area, but it was 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:36.200 like a pretty popular hiking trail, right and it's game 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.880 uses it, But it's through this kind of like big 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.600 landscape funnel through a little pass and a lot of 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.359 animals use it. But people use it all the time 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:52.480 and like eyeball level there it is, you know, and 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.239 you can't really go through the area. Like when you 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.680 go through there, you're sort of like submitting to be photographed. 0:44:58.000 --> 0:44:59.720 It's not even like in a sort of a discrete 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.200 out the way plays. It's just like and I remember 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.560 going by it and I actually started having my kids. 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.680 I'm like, you know what, go around that way. I 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.320 just don't want like, oh my, I don't want pictures 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.239 of my kids like some guy's trail cam. I don't know. 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:16.279 Uh yeah, that's kind I gotta I got a story 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.759 that kind of ties these two together, the pooping and 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.400 the trail camps. That's great. Why didn't you do that earlier? 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.640 Well I didn't. I didn't know the trail cam topic 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.160 is gonna come up. But my uncle Mark and I 0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:29.279 that's a good explanation. We were Uncle Mark and I 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:31.200 were coming back from hunting and I was like, yeah, 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:32.680 I just gotta check this trail cam. And he'd been 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.200 hunting the same property as me. So we we park 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.400 and we walk and all said. His face just drops 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:39.319 and he's like, you had a trail camp set there. 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:42.000 I'm like, yeah, well, what's the big deal. He's like, 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.600 oh I I did. Uh I did some business right 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.360 over there, right in front of the trail cam the 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:53.239 other day. So sure enough, trail camp pictures of him. 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.799 I think I deleted those. I had a trail cam 0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.200 behind our fish shack and my body pulled the art. 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.200 I still haven't gotten the card back because his wife 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:06.759 was peing back there and he took the card. Um. Now, 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.000 as I covered this piece of as I talked about 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.879 this subject, I want people to know that I right now, 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.600 at this moment, like at this moment, I have a 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:19.640 trail came out on private land um, and I have 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:24.120 a trail cam out on public land that I was 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.040 fixing to go fetch but haven't gone fetched. But it's 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.200 not like a transmitting one. Okay, so I have one out. 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.880 So is this is this band just for public landtall 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.480 or is it just private and public during hunting season? 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.080 Used to be used in the aid and the taking 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.320 a game, but it goes. There's some other wrinkles of 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:45.520 this that are really interesting. This this band applies to 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.400 cameras with internal storage memory, as well as those that 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:52.719 transmit images to the hunter cell phone. The prohibition does 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:58.719 not apply to private landowners monitoring their property and agricultural operations, 0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:04.920 oh or municipalities participating in the urban Deer program, but 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.440 it does apply to most hunting on both private and 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:14.160 public land. That's pretty straightforward. I've rolled in with this. 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:18.520 Which is very interesting is it's also banned this. Okay, again, 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.759 there's something that Arizona did and you taught it. These 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:27.319 are not like these are these are very conservative states, right, 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.680 these are? Uh? You know this isn't you know if 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.239 you've heard about this coming no offense, it was like 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.479 from New Jersey. You could picture someone being like, that's 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.640 not fair to the animals, you know, um in sort 0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.560 of the wrong way. But this is like very like 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.839 an internal hunting dialogue. This is I don't think that 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.440 like I'm guessing. I'm trying to find a way to 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:52.480 to to express this more clearly. This isn't like in 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:57.200 these states. I suspect that it's not the case of 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:04.040 non hunting individuals screwing with hunters, like in the case 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:05.879 where you get like a band on bear hunting. It's 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.680 like it's not coming from hunters. It's coming from nine 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.200 hunters trying to dick with hunters. This is like an 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:16.520 internal hunting conversation in these states. Is my gut on this. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.040 From what I've read about it, it's like it's in 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:22.160 a conversation among the hunting community. They've also and this 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.480 is really interesting. I want to dedicate these next few 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.600 sentences of Spencer new Hearth because you know, Spencer always 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:36.239 is such painting the ass belt stuff. Well, well, the 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:37.680 other day while we were loading up to while we're 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.600 getting ready to go Pike Spearing, how did you notice 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.239 me being on the phone. I was on the phone 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.319 Spencer new Hearth, what was he being a painting? The 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.040 asked Belt about me, saying to him, I'm like, I 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:51.680 want to um do a deep dive on our website. 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.000 I want to have one of our like, like one 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.360 of our sort of investigative writers do a deep dive 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:01.160 about what is the future of trail came us and 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.920 he was like, oh, probably won't be like a huge performer, 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.040 but we'll probably do a guy. He didn't talk like 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:11.919 that beach nut you know he's but he's he's usually 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.840 right about that kind of stuff. He's really good at. 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:16.400 That's not the part he's being the paying the ASPT. 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:18.839 I said to him also, and I already texted him 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.440 this morning about this. I said to him, also, I 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.320 think that you should probably start paying attention to thermal 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.880 night vision stuff. I think that there's gonna be a 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.759 lot of discussions about thermal night vision, and then we 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.719 went on to discuss how it's pretty fringe because it's 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.560 like hog hunters, right, and hogs are hog hunters are 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:42.440 killing invasive hogs, um like totally unregulated, like people are 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.080 trying to get rid of him. So who would ever 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.480 have a complaint with that? Right? And then increasingly Kyle hunters, 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:53.120 it's like rewriting predator hunting thermal night vision stuff, changing everything. 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:55.840 And I said, but I still advise you, and he 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.440 was kind of he was kind of like dismissive of 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:02.640 what I was saying. Utah has banned thermal imaging night 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.840 vision devices and I'm guessing this doesn't say but but 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.879 I know from I've heard more and more and more 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:11.800 and more from people who are using it to scout. 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:16.120 Mm hmm. Yeah, that you can go out in the 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:21.759 dark and get onto a herd elk in the dark 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.240 and monitor their movements through the night and be ready 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:32.480 for a legal light. Yeah, makes sense. And follow them right, 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:37.040 find them in their beds. Find you can go out, 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:43.360 you can find where DearS bedded, no problem. Um, so 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:48.239 you tab is uh thrown at in what sort of 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:49.880 range to those things have like how how close to 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:50.960 you have to be to the animal for it to 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:58.000 not close. We had the Uh, I've been very curious 0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.720 about it, so I I got to spend some time 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:07.840 with UM some thermal night vision equipment. Ah, we got some. 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.840 So there's a place Ultimate night Vision and they rent 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:17.120 UM Thermal night Vision gere and we got something to 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:20.719 go out and uh hunt coyotes tonight for a couple 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:22.960 of nights. And it's like a big learning curve and 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:24.480 you're learning to use it. But I'll tell you one 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.040 of the main things about it is like it is 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.360 really interesting to see what goes on at night in 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.080 just a different way. The way animals behave and stuff 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.200 is so just different at night. It was like like 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:37.680 I'm I'm like happy for the experience of going out 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.160 and witnessing what it looks like. You gotta learn it 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.480 and there's a lot of stuff with death perception that's hard, 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:47.920 but I mean it was cool, man. And you know, 0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:49.799 this is after all the big game seasons were over, 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:51.520 so like this sort of thing, like using it for 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.640 hunting of a big game wasn't have any implications for 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:57.040 us because the season was done anyways. But in Texas, no, no, 0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:00.759 we didn't know. We used the Montana at night. Um 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.600 and just like using predator calls at night and seeing 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.759 the way it just the different attitude that things have 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:12.400 at night about that call. Um. But that yeah, so 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:17.680 they they they did that. So to craft this camera rule, 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:25.040 they surveyed nine thousand licensed hunters seeking data on how 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:29.640 people are going about it. Right, this surprised me. Of 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:34.960 those mugs hadn't used trail cams. Mhm uh. Only eight 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.280 percent of the mugs they interviewed. We're using transmitting cameras. 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.920 I don't though, I'd be way hirer now. I think 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.279 that stuff is just catching on. Though, yeah, I don't know. 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.719 I didn't know that like a year from now, I 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.120 think that would be totally different. You think, So it's 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:51.960 just catching It's just I think it's just catching on 0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.319 those transmitting cameras, Like I've just had headaches with them 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.840 so many times, and it's like, I consider myself a 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:01.480 techie person and it's still just like, you know, you've 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:02.799 got a lot of people who can barely use your 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.600 cell phones, let alone try to figure out how to 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:09.080 link a camera. And then yeah, I think you're going 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.440 to see more and more because of the price point. Right, 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.600 the price points already dropped in half for what it 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.719 was like three or four years ago totally where it 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:17.920 was four or five six hundred dollars for those and 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.520 now you can get a decent one for you. That's 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.920 a good point because even like with j what what 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.120 your live scope? You have a garment live scope. I 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.920 was like jealous of that, and in the back of 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.040 my head like, man, I guarantee like in a year 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:33.880 it's gonna be half the price, and a year I'll 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:35.280 get it for half the price and it will somehow 0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:38.040 be better. It's gonna get there. But you're like, you're 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:40.640 like early, You're like an early adopter on a live scope. Yeah, 0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.439 And if you're a tournament guy, it's like that's the edge. 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.040 You need to spend that little bit of extra money 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:47.560 to get that edge. And if Garman wants to send 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:55.120 these boys couple life scopes to the Walleye Tour to this, 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.160 I wouldn't have they kicked one in for me. And 0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:59.919 they should know that I have a lot of garment products, dude, 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.759 and I just ordered garment dive watch. I have a 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:06.080 garment man I got a lot of garm wrot, so 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:09.600 I haven't got my dive watch yet. I got an 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:16.080 MK one. Um tell's that talking about Oh here's the 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.719 other even I'm going like, normally, if you study journalism 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:21.440 in college, they'll tell you this. They'll tell you like, 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:24.920 when you're write an article, put the most important thing 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.279 up top, and then you work down in levels of 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:32.759 interest and importance. Right, so it be like, um, Seth dies, right, 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:35.920 and you go down and be like, oh, so that's 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:38.160 how Seth died. And then you go down a little 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:39.719 more and invention at the botmo wo be like Seth 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.520 had a dog. You know, it's sort of the article 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:47.200 to flow like that pretty cool dog. I'm doing the 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.319 opposite because here's the most interesting part of this to 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:54.400 me coming at the end. UH. They're putting an end 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.840 to the sale of data and images produced by trail cameras, 0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:00.880 meaning there are guys like and I know some of 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.160 these guys. There are guys that are professional scouts and 0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:09.160 they sell um their professional scouts that find animals and 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:14.319 sell animals to Governor's tag holders. They sell animals to outfitters, 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.600 so they'll go out and they'll find like you know, 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:21.480 they go out and find like a two right, they 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:25.239 can sell that knowledge about that animal and sell the 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:29.279 photos of that animal in the way points. That would 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:31.160 be a tough thing for them to crack down on. 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.040 One of the guys that didn't like this rule that 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:38.719 they interview, Um, they mentioned uh uh, he had a 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.120 hard time with enforcement because you're saying like, okay, on 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:45.239 private land, you can use it to monitor your property. Okay. 0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.279 So this guy is like, big Buck can't look at that. 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:54.600 I'm not gonna let that change my hunt plans. Yeah, yeah, 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:59.799 that's gonna be tough. Um. Just yr day, I uh 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:01.480 ext of the body mine because we're trying to plan 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.320 out next year's Bobcat trip and I texted a body 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:07.239 mine that he said, you got any what's going on 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.040 with bobcats up in your neck of the woods? Right? 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.359 What's he sent me two seconds later? True camp picture 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:17.880 of a Bobcat And that probably influenced my decision making 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:21.640 at that point where I was like, oh, who tell 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.520 me more? Right, not able to sell that stuff if 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:33.160 you're a professional scout scouter, which it kind of makes 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:39.440 sense in a way. Fair chase get that little clap. 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.280 I did go find it yourself. Yeah. I like that. 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:47.879 I don't know what it means. Man felt like transition. Yeah, 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.120 I just felt like a needed to put a clap 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.839 in there. He was like a book end. Yeah, that's 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:54.760 what it meant to be. It was like a book closing. 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.600 So let me let me you know, I did my 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:04.120 book closed too early. I think that I wonder if 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.720 this is gonna be a thing because if you're sitting 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:10.680 at home trying to think about how technology intersects with 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.640 hunting and hunting practices, fishing practices. Um, I think there's 0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:16.880 a great example to be found in drones. And I 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:23.480 was talking to this with o' beach nut the other day, Spencer. Uh, 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:25.680 while you guys are loading up gear and we were talking, 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.600 we were talking about the example of what happened with drones. Okay, 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.240 the minute drones became like the minute there was a 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:38.840 discussion about using drones for hunting, like overnight, thirteen states 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.920 and in a bunch more fouled. But immediately thirteen states 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:44.280 in the West, like open country states where drones will 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:49.160 be particularly helpful because they're open ground. Thirteen states came 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:52.680 in and said no, no drones and hunting, no use 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.320 of drones and hunting, and I was like, it was 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.960 interesting that they got on it so fast because they 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:00.880 did it before there was a user group, before it 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:05.040 had become woven into the hunting culture. And Spencer brought 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.680 up he said, but drones went from zero to sixty 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:12.400 because like the initial the first initial thing that was 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:14.720 good for was it was good for mounting a camera. 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.160 That's like what made them what they were. Like if 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:19.240 you couldn't mount a camera at them, it's a toy helicopter, 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.000 like no one cares. So He's like, it went from 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:24.800 zero to sixty and you could immediately see it. He goes, 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:26.800 if you go back in trail camp history, was like 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:29.520 a thing could like initially a thing could like tell 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:33.680 you that something passed by, right, and it evolved and 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:35.919 you and you built up this user group of people, 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:37.600 You built up a big industry for it. There's a 0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:39.880 lot of companies that make trail cams. People have been 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:43.480 using trail camps for a decade or more, right, but 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.480 then trail camps hit to this certain level of sophistication 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:50.000 and this certain price point, whereas now it's like very 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:53.480 achievable to get a camera that sends you messages that 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.280 says like right now, right now, there's a buck in 0:58:57.280 --> 0:59:03.000 that field to your phone, and so for now for 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.600 state game agencies to want to go like, man, it's 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:07.800 kind of getting ridiculous. Now we gotta let clamp down 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:11.160 on this. You're gonna be battling against people who this 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:15.360 is like woven into their cultural fabric of hunting. Well, 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.880 and there's more. It's just gonna be harder. And drones 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:21.400 were like they got drones before drones were a thing. Yeah, 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.600 well there's more gray area with the trail camps. Like 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:25.600 you said, the landowners, a drone is like if you 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:27.400 put a flying object in the sky with a camera, 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:29.880 it's like that's a no go. But the the trail 0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.080 camp thing is a little more touchy. Like a lot 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.120 of provinces will say you can't even have your drone 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:37.440 along when you're hunting, like if it's and that for 0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:39.560 me that stuff because I'm always filming stuff. But like 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.920 even from a non hunting standpoint, if you just you 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.080 just can't have the drone in your vehicle, like that's 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.480 a no go. A lot of states you can't. You 0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:49.720 can't be like like say I I'm chat and I 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.040 are hunting a property and I see a buck heading 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.560 his way, I can't text him be like hey jet, 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.960 big buck coming, like be ready. But you know you 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:00.960 can have in the stag. You're gonna have a trail 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.000 camera that's on a trail a couple of hundred yards 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:07.680 from you and get a picture, uh picture sent to 1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:10.920 your phone of a buck walking past that trail camera 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:13.600 heading in your diction. Same thing. It's the same damn thing. 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:18.000 You know what? What else Spencer annoyed me about when 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:19.840 I was talking to him about doing like a big 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.040 thing like sort of the pros the cons get a 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:24.440 bunch of perspectives on like where trail cams are headed. 1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:30.040 I was saying to him, Um, I don't want to 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:32.600 I don't want you guys all. He's the guy I'm 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:34.000 gonna talk about. It's been on the show, but I'm 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:35.280 not gonna say who is. There's there's a guy I 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:39.640 know that manages a large property. He's been on the show. Um, 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:41.000 I'll let him talk with us, but I want to 1:00:41.000 --> 1:00:43.360 talk about it for him and name him anyway, he said, 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:45.320 and he's in a state where there's no prohibitions on 1:00:45.360 --> 1:00:49.520 trail cams whatsoever. He this year for the first time 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:53.320 ever during hunting season turned him all off. He said 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.760 it was just changing the game so much and getting 1:00:55.760 --> 1:00:59.440 too weird. Yeah, that he knew where everything because he's 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:03.760 got twenty some of you know, out and wonderer and 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:06.440 he's a he's a property manager on a hunting property, 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:08.600 and it just got to be where like it just 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:15.080 rewrote everything. One's coming down the field edge right now. Well, 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:17.840 that's kind of just like the Liveshop got the message. 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.080 It's just like lavescope, you see the fish coming. They 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:23.480 can't hide anymore. It's like so he voluntarily turned his 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:25.800 he voluntarily turned his off, and he said it was nice. 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:27.960 He was like he was glad that he didn't and 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:29.880 wanted into want like sort of change in the hunt 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:34.960 and season and uh so anyway, Spencer's like, yeah, well 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:37.120 that's kind of an anomaly and that doesn't matter. I'm like, 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:38.960 you wouldn't be able to if you were a journalist, 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:42.160 you wouldn't be able to write about murder, because murders 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.600 an anomaly, you know what I mean. He wouldn't be 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:48.560 able to be like so and so brutally murdered someone 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:53.240 because that's weird. By his logic. Yeah, you see what 1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:55.440 I'm saying. Why it was why Spencer was so annoyingly 1:01:55.560 --> 1:02:02.960 there with all this crazy technology. Oh sorry, I was 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:04.800 going to do the bookend again. Go ahead, Chester. With 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:08.240 all this crazy technology, it just makes me think that 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:12.439 people just have to be as responsible as they can 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:16.680 with it. And obviously, you know, like with live scope 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:20.560 for instance, being able to target a school of crop 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.320 e is way better than you used to once people 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:27.040 actually really figure out how to use it, not just 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:32.200 going out there and like just limiting and keeping their 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:36.520 limits all the time, you know, um, just being responsible 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:38.760 with it. Well, there's like a I call it a 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.840 wives tale, but we say back home that if you 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:44.400 if you laid out a percent of the fish that 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.960 are caught, right, a hundred percent of those fish are 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:50.240 caught by less of those anglers, right because of skill, 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:54.360 because of ability, because of mobility, things like that. Electronics 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:57.680 are changing that that percentage, like you're saying, is definitely 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:01.960 going to go up because it's no longer about just 1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:05.280 knowing patterns or having the right baits or you know, 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:09.760 the boat take get there. Those electronics take the guess work. 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:12.040 The guests were completely out of it, Like map chips. 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:13.440 When you can go to a lake you've never been 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:15.240 to before and you have one foot contours. I remember, 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.520 like ten years ago official with my buddy and he 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:19.520 would have like pictures and we triangulate it and it 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:21.600 was just, you know, it felt so archaic. And now 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:22.960 there's just you roll up to a lake and you 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:26.360 can have where all the old roadbeds are and weed 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:32.080 lines and everything. M hmm. Yeah, here's the final thing 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.040 I'm gonna say about it. They're I'm gonna do the 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:37.720 book end thing again. Um, we'll all do that the 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:40.480 count of three. If everyone w everybody's good. But I 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:43.800 think that, uh, like I've explained, I've tried to explain it. 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.160 Perspective on this a handful of times where when looking 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:52.520 at like practices, hunting practices, I tend to I tend 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:56.320 to take their approach were like historical use patterns. Okay, 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:01.960 like historical use cultural practices like that stuff needs to 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:06.000 be honored and respected if it's something that's if it's 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:09.240 a sustainable practice and people have been doing it a 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:11.200 long time, like I'd honor that. So if you're in 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:14.560 a state where people have run black bears, a hunted 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:16.960 black bears with hounds and they've been doing it and 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:19.640 they have a stable bear population and they've been at 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:23.560 it for two hundred years. Um. To me, that's like 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:28.040 that's in, that's grandfathered in. Like, don't mess with that, right, 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:31.520 it's a it's a it's a cultural practice. I think 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:34.240 that like as you get into the technology stuff, UM, 1:04:34.560 --> 1:04:38.480 you're gonna continue, You're gonna have to continue to have 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:43.760 conversations about Um. I think it's fair game to have 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:47.960 conversations about incoming technology. I'd rather do that than go 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.560 and revisit cultural practices and try to like get rid 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:54.400 of that stuff. And you got and I think that 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:56.960 you got. If you're if you're a manager, I think 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:59.400 you gotta look like out in the horizon and you 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:01.960 gotta see what's coming and if and if you think 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.800 something's gonna become problem bag down the road, I would 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:07.360 suggest that you get on a little early before it 1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:11.400 becomes woven into the into the cultural fabrica you know, 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:14.360 in the hunting community. And it's gonna be hard if 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:16.120 you came in now and said, you know what, after 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:19.680 careful consideration, I think that the compound bow is just 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:25.360 too effective. Right, good luck, right, good luck, but you 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:32.560 could honestly have had that chat they're trying there. There's 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.920 talks about live bait getting cut out of Manitoba, and 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:37.560 that's something it's like, well, these people have been using 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:40.120 live bait for however many years. It's been grandfathered in, 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:42.160 so it's a it's a tough discussion. Yeah, if you're 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:44.240 getting rid of live bait to make room for live 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:47.720 scopers to catch more fish, that's a real problem for me. 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:51.520 It's a real problem for me. The crossbow things another 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:58.360 big issue, all right, one two? Right, Okay, everybody's don't 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:03.640 talk about Mandy. Can you do me the favorite laying 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:06.680 out like where we are and what's going on, and 1:06:06.720 --> 1:06:13.040 about how everything is underwater ship like that, take it away. Uh, 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:14.560 because you grew up in this neck of the wood, 1:06:14.600 --> 1:06:16.400 so you got like an inside your you have land. 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.920 It's currently Uh, people are prye fishing on your land 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:21.960 right now. They are They actually are that that that 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:26.440 is for sure. Uh. Most people would call it BF. 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:29.360 But we are in the beautiful state of North Dakota. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:32.920 We're in the Devil's Lake area currently, we are on 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:37.680 the far far west end over in the Midwakan area. 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:44.120 And our cozy shock chet here double wide. Uh. Yeah, 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:47.400 it's just a really small community that's that's grown a 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:49.439 little bit with the oil booms out for a little 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:51.960 bit further out west. But it's a fishing community. It's 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:56.480 a fishing farming community. Um. Yeah, and you're talking about 1:06:56.080 --> 1:07:01.160 about the lake growing. Uh, it's blown up. Obviously, it's 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:03.880 been a big deal. It's been going on now. It's 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:05.320 hard to say that it's been going on for a 1:07:05.360 --> 1:07:10.840 couple of decades. I really the water eyes correct. So, um, 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:14.000 the lake actually for like the the eight most of 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:18.200 the eighties, we were kind of in a drought pattern here. Um. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:21.600 The interesting part two is when we're in a drought 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:24.120 pattern and the waters were exceptionally low, like there was 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:27.080 really high mercury levels here in the water. Uh, the 1:07:27.080 --> 1:07:30.040 salinity levels were really high. Like there was actually like 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:33.360 warnings out for the amount of fish and that you 1:07:33.360 --> 1:07:37.160 could eat based on those things. Um. So yeah, we 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:40.280 had some historic snow events. We got back to regular 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:44.480 rain patterns, snow patterns. We had a five hundred year event, 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:48.840 a hundred year events, and then regular more regular rain events. 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.439 And I think it's like a million acres plus now. 1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:57.320 But it's so odd to see that. Uh roads are gone, 1:07:57.480 --> 1:08:00.000 houses are gone, farms are gone, tree lines are gone 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:03.040 on uh roads have been built up fifty six ft 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:05.360 in some areas to make them still passable. Other ones 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:10.080 they've just completely abandoned. UM. It's yeah, And tell about 1:08:10.240 --> 1:08:12.840 tell about the place you grew up on, just just 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:17.479 as an example. So where I grew up on over 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:19.919 on Black Tiger Bay, which actually used to be the 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:23.679 farthest east portion of Double's Lake. UM, where we actually 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:30.200 fish to day one was actually not connected point to 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:33.920 where your place would have been. Correct. Uh. Yeah. The 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:37.200 water just started started rising and actually rose fairly quick 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:39.639 the first couple of years to the to the point 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:43.360 where UM accesses had to be moved. People lost homes, 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:46.320 you could move cabins, things like that, and it just 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:49.120 swallowed it up. Like if you couldn't if you couldn't 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:53.439 physically move that structure, it's gone. Were they gutting those 1:08:53.439 --> 1:08:59.920 houses of UM like like hauling away propane, hauling away 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:01.479 like stuff they didn't want to get in the water, 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:05.479 or was it happening too fast? That's a really good question. 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:09.760 Like where we were at, you jumped on it as 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:11.400 fast as you could, but there was still so you 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:13.400 had to pick and choose, right, like the structures that 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:16.680 you could possibly change, and they're just we're remote here 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:20.479 and you can only move so much. Um. Realistically, we 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:25.160 gave like we gave trailers away. We just sent it 1:09:25.160 --> 1:09:28.200 out there and just said come get them because we're 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:30.760 going to lose them, right, Like, we didn't have the 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:33.599 money to pay all that to have them moved, but 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:34.920 we didn't want them to go to waste, and we 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:37.800 definitely didn't want them to be underwater, right, so just 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:41.760 come get these structures. They're yours. But it's weird to 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:44.920 say that there's where we're at. There's a mile and 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:49.400 a half underwater. It's underwater, like it's gone under under 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:53.479 like under sixty under sixty vertical feet of water. But 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:56.560 you have to go a mile and a half out 1:09:56.600 --> 1:09:59.400 from the shoreline. Yes, yes, so how fast did the 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:03.800 water ry? Um? We had a bunch of issues. And 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:05.840 Jay can actually chime in on this too, Like the 1:10:06.320 --> 1:10:10.040 big trigger point it was like in the nineties. Um, 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:13.560 actually kind of like in the in the late nineties, Um, 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:17.040 we had bad, bad flooding. You know, a ton of 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:19.120 snow spring melt off all these things. It was like 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:22.080 the perfect storm of everything to to happen, and that 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:26.160 initial jump was crazy, uh, to the point where they 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:28.639 couldn't get caught up. And if you notice the road 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.200 structure around here, like we drove over a couple of 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:33.920 those bridges, like those are gone right, so to drive 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:37.920 all the way around like sixty seventy eight miles because 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:41.320 you can't drive across you know, cut across um. And 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.040 then it just continued to go. It just continued until 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.759 we're out where we're at right now. Like the bowl 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:50.160 is full. Yeah, that's that's another thing that Um, this 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:52.439 is like a dead end basin. So normally you think 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.960 of like flooding in a river valley. It's just that 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.160 the river valley can't drain it fast enough. But you know, 1:10:57.160 --> 1:10:59.720 floods go away pretty quick. But here you're flooding an 1:10:59.760 --> 1:11:05.920 area that the outflow is. It's very high up, so 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:08.040 you could it could hold all this water for such 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:09.880 a long period of time. Well, it's still flat here 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:12.479 like this is we're talking about this yesterday, the catchment 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.400 area for so much like yeah, when it all the 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:18.479 water just collects here, it's yeah, it brings a wide 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.800 and it's it eventually is gonna eventually drains out in 1:11:21.800 --> 1:11:25.840 which direction when it leaves here? Well currently, and I 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:29.719 shouldn't say that, I should have double checked. But historically, um, 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:32.920 they have been draining one to two inches off every month, 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:36.200 and they've been draining it into the Cheyenne River very 1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:40.960 very controlled. A couple of big pump houses, correct, like 1:11:41.360 --> 1:11:43.640 on Minna walk inside here and then one on the 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:46.479 west side. Right, correct, there's a few of them. And 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.760 the reason why they have to go into there, we 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.000 would make more sense right to go into the Red River. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:53.960 The problem is as the Red River flows north, that 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.840 flows into Canada. We don't want your water. I thought that, 1:11:56.920 --> 1:12:02.360 I thought the man I feel big Walwyes, that's true. 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:04.639 She's the biologist. She could probably speak more to that. 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:07.960 It is actually feel like you just got you guys 1:12:08.000 --> 1:12:10.240 feel up in Canada and you're gonna speak for the 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:14.080 whole nation. You guys feel like you're just good on water. Yeah, 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.880 we're set. Where's we got we got that freshwater? Trust me, 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:20.120 we send them enough every spring that causes flooding for 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:23.720 them too, so because we melt here obviously before they do, 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:26.160 and that water is all running north and they haven't 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:29.160 thought yet. So like the Winnipeg area all along there, 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:31.320 it floods pretty bad. It's a it's a serious thing 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:35.000 talking about good American water here, j we'll pass, we'll pass. 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:37.120 I'll start drinking that water. You'll get a lot more 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:43.800 girl up in that country and more aggression. So this, 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.640 this water does make it to Canada though, right, is 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:52.920 what like Cheyenne nor flowing north? Yeah, I don't know 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:57.879 what you're pointing. Well, I'm just saying Devil's like naturally 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:01.400 overflows into the Cheyenne River. The Shinen River is a 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:06.040 tributary of the Red River of the North, which flows 1:13:06.040 --> 1:13:10.439 into Canada. I'm not familiar with the Chyenne, so I 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:11.680 mean if it goes into the Red then yeah, it 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:18.160 comes into Canada, but very slowly. Then I want to 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:22.559 go and direct the Red River is still doing good? Well, well, 1:13:22.600 --> 1:13:26.080 research is to find out. But uh, back to your place, 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:30.639 can you explain the property tax? Thinks that's really interesting 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:33.400 to me. For a while you had to pay taxes 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:36.719 on land it was underwater. Correct. If you think about 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:39.680 the farms, you know, my heart bleeds for for that. That. 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:43.160 That's what my family does is farms too. And uh, 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:46.280 thousands and thousands and thousands of acres underwater. We're talking 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:50.439 real crop and cattle things like that. Uh, And because 1:13:50.439 --> 1:13:52.360 you owned it, you still had to pay property tax 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.479 on it. Even though people are driving over in boats, 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:57.840 it's underwater. So they actually had to cope. And like 1:13:57.840 --> 1:13:59.640 I said, because that water ROAs so fast and they 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:01.720 were trying to deal with FEMA and I mean all 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:04.680 the other disaster federal things like that, it kind of 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:07.360 got lost in the mix per se, right because it 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:09.920 has to go through the legislature and all that. So, yeah, 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:12.840 it took them a while for them to repeal that law. 1:14:13.560 --> 1:14:15.720 So now you don't have to pay tax, but you 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:18.440 still own that land. So if the water ever magically 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:22.160 recedes like back down to you know the ladies eighties, 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:24.840 early nineties level, like, there's gonna be a whole lot 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.360 of property out there. You know, we we covered it's 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.519 the same. I think it's the same weather events in 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:32.760 an area in South Dakota. And I don't know if 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:35.240 you've had a similar problem up here, but in South 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:41.000 Dakota there were there's a lot of controversy where with 1:14:41.080 --> 1:14:47.120 the rising water inundating farmland and residential properties. Um even 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:51.680 though taxes were suspended on the submerged water, there were 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:55.400 people going in and running booey markers along their property 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.599 lines to keep anglers and hunters out, but then having 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:02.640 what everybody's said like private parts of the lake. So 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:06.920 you're so you would buoy off your farm with booie 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:11.360 strings and uh, just have it be like you can 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.800 fish it. But then people are like, but it's it's 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:19.600 the fish of the you know, from state stocking program. 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.200 And this was going on at the time, and he said, 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:25.080 like naturally, the way that everybody thinks is then people 1:15:25.080 --> 1:15:27.759 would go and all line up along the booey fence 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:30.720 because like it's got to be better over there, so 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.120 they'd go fish along that edge, you know, thinking death 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:35.519 where all the fish were hiding is around the private property, 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:37.439 which is like a like like a very much like 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:40.439 a hunting thing, you know. Um, and people were hashing 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:42.040 at out. Was that the thing that was that? That? 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:44.240 Were you seeing that up where people were like fencing 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:47.680 off with booty markers what would have been their lot? No, No, 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:50.479 this is way too big of big of waters. But 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:54.439 that whole South Dakota gig is really interesting too, because 1:15:54.439 --> 1:15:56.880 I kind of happened around the same time. I feel 1:15:56.920 --> 1:16:00.560 like a little bit sooner um a wall based specifically 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:03.360 that that comes to mind right away. There's literally a 1:16:03.360 --> 1:16:06.599 few accesses where the silos of the farms, that's all 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:10.000 that's sticking out of the top of the water rights, 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:13.640 Like that's the structure in the in in wabe is 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:16.800 those old farmsteads. But the crazy part, which you used 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:19.960 should do a little bit of research on, they started 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:23.080 like putting in these public accesses right which then they 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:27.160 then repealed later, which has been really been a big 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:30.519 controversy there. So there it was already a pothole, like 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:35.519 littered with potholes, but obviously rising waters things spill over. Yeah, 1:16:35.720 --> 1:16:39.120 like private land becomes now public waters. It's a big 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:42.519 controversy there. Uh, and it just kind of keeps going. 1:16:42.960 --> 1:16:45.240 But they kind of gave us like a pre shot 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:47.920 highlight of what was going to happen, almost but this 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:51.920 happened on a bigger scale. Do you ever take um, 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.439 do you ever take a boat and go cruise around 1:16:54.520 --> 1:16:58.479 on like what like over your property? No? I I haven't. 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:03.439 Actually I think would be really really interesting, uh to 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:06.599 go see and look at what's what's there and how 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:08.720 deep it is, Oh yeah, to go down there with 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.880 some dive gear. It's it's hard look for your old stuff. Yeah, 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:14.320 it's it's heartbreaking, right, like this is where I where 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:16.200 I grew up. This is where this love and this 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:19.479 passion and my best memories of my dad and my 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:23.280 family are at and you make new but it would 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:26.800 be it's hard. So did did the fishing? As soon 1:17:26.840 --> 1:17:29.160 as the water got up? Was the fishing just like 1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:32.640 instantly that much better than before, Like with all that 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:34.600 extra within a year or two weeks, you got all 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.240 that extra structure, you got all that extra cover. You've 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:40.719 got way more water. Like it had to have allowed 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:43.599 it had to makee fish stocks just explode. Man, imagine 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:46.320 just how much and how much nutrients because when I 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:48.559 in the nineties, I just heard about devils all the time. 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:50.120 I'm not sure if that would be considered the peak 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:54.519 of the fishery, like, but yeah, I would say, yeah, 1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:56.400 And that was a weird Part two, Like I can 1:17:56.479 --> 1:18:00.759 remember the worst lge blooms, like I mean split green 1:18:00.920 --> 1:18:05.519 pea soup discussing the whole entire lake in the old days, right, 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:09.760 and maybe on some small bays now, but you just 1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:12.040 don't have that right, you know. I think there was 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:14.160 a lot of concern to when we had all this 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:18.800 overland flooding um because of the residual chemicals right coming 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:21.519 off crop lands, coming coming from the structures that have 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:23.840 been flooded. What was going to happen right, what was 1:18:23.840 --> 1:18:26.360 going to happen with that water quality? Was? I mean, 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:28.400 we're we gonna kill fish where we gonna have some 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:32.559 catastrophic events here based on the facilities that have been 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:46.840 swallowed up whole wide. What's the sort of local um 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:49.320 temperature on this thing? Now? Are there people who are like, 1:18:49.400 --> 1:18:52.080 I like it just the way it is now? I 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:55.879 can't speak for that. I think it's conflicting because the farmers, 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:58.760 I mean, fisherman, I'm sure we're happy when that was. 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:00.200 I mean, it's got to be like the got a 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:02.639 lot of people who just like the fish and they're 1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:04.400 like not perfect. And there's a lot of people who 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:06.440 just like the farm and they're like this ain't acceptable. 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:11.200 I chatted with some folks in this area about that, 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:15.480 and uh, I think it's like twenty five million dollars 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:21.240 fishing ranks, you know, to this economy that was like 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:23.960 back in two thousand five, or whatever. So it's got 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:27.439 to be maybe greater now or whatnot. But it's probably 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:32.280 farmers are really wanting their land back, and obviously the 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:35.240 fishermen really want to keep it. I wonder what the 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:37.520 value of those farms would be if it be considerable 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:40.560 to the twenty five million or I don't know. I 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:42.879 don't know what a farm is worth, Like the agricultural output, 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:46.360 the agriculture I'll put off all that land would have 1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:51.560 to dwarf the Fishing Act dollars with a fishing activity. 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:55.400 I don't know either. But um, but yeah, I was 1:19:55.479 --> 1:20:00.879 I've been reading just right now on this pumping water stuff, 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:05.280 and it is in two thousand five, they just began 1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:10.120 pumping water into the Cheyenne River, which then drains into 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:13.880 the Red River, which flows into Manitoba and Lake Winnipeg 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:16.840 and it goes into the ocean eventually. And they were 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:20.200 they were worried about, you know, back then, about the 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:24.040 salt levels and stuff that we're in here contaminating like 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:28.800 Lake Winnipeg and whatnot. But there are four pumps put 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:31.240 in the area to be able to do that, in 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:36.240 canals and drainage pipes, um or channels and drainage pipes? 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:43.960 What a project? What did I say? Uh? What is 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:48.360 the what is the goal is the gold? Like? What year? 1:20:49.360 --> 1:20:51.960 This has gotta be? Something people debate too, What years 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:57.519 regarded as normal? If normal happened to be, if normal 1:20:57.560 --> 1:21:00.400 happened to be, Like if we sort of set our 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:03.200 expectations are normal during a major drought cycle? Like what 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:07.040 is normal? Well, I don't know. The one map chip 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:09.920 that my buddy had for the area, like the navyonics 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:12.640 whatever it was, they say, the one that shows a 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:15.760 lot of the earlier outline is was it was a 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:18.120 big date because that that's what we were fishing was 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:22.360 probably dbed. So it's twenty two of water um where 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.120 where we were fishing yesterday, and that was the old 1:21:24.200 --> 1:21:26.920 road right ut red with all that rebel. So that's 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:29.240 the date that's stuck in my head from talking to 1:21:29.360 --> 1:21:31.360 So if you're gonna pump it back to normal, you're 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:34.519 gonna be pumping off two ft of water off of 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:41.160 In nineteen forty, Devil's Lake was nearly dry, and in 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:44.479 June of two thousand eleven, the lake reached a modern 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:51.439 day record high something going down since then. In June 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:54.720 two thousand and eleven would I mean, I, yeah, I 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:58.880 don't know. Yeah, it's been going down obviously m hm, 1:21:59.640 --> 1:22:05.559 can't going down very much literally, like so we have 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.920 all the fluctuations right like this like can fluctuate eight 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.320 nine fear no problem, right, that's not a big deal. 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.800 That's not based on a major drought. That's just because 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:17.120 of so much supers area things like that. Um. But 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:19.200 it was just a couple of years ago after my 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:22.520 dad passed. I came back out obviously to the cabins. 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:25.160 I wanted to see the property, make sure everything's good, 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:28.639 talk to the to our neighbors. And I was nervous 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:32.160 this is a later property, correct, So we we were 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:36.320 we moved right, like, we moved significantly back, um. And 1:22:37.200 --> 1:22:40.160 I remember pulling in and like the water was right there, 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.920 like it's it was like twenty two ft. We got 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:46.479 out like the you know tape measure from the back 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:49.439 door of the cabin to the water, and I was like, 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:52.559 oh my gosh, like what do I do? Like this 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:55.400 was not this close? You know? Do we have to 1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:59.240 move this stuff again? Like really like freaking out. And 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.840 so the we'll see one of the accesses. I won't 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:04.800 say exactly which one because they'll know where where the 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:09.080 properties are at. But this access has been moved seven times, 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:11.439 is l seven times it's been moved on our property, 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:14.800 but like basically evident domain, you know. So I've seen 1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:16.760 him move back as the water comes up where it's 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:19.760 nice landing, do you know. But it's like, now we've 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:22.880 got that right there, and I'm like, Okay, what do 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:25.320 they know what's going to happen or should we just 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:28.720 pull the stuff now or is it actually going to go, 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:31.720 you know, go back down. So they were showing us 1:23:31.800 --> 1:23:34.160 I'm sure it happens around here, but in in South Dakota, 1:23:34.160 --> 1:23:36.760 they were showing us these like well they think are 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:41.720 like dream boat launches, which is where highways go underwater. 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:45.360 And they're like, no matter how high the water gets 1:23:45.400 --> 1:23:47.639 or how low it gets, you still like backing down 1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:56.120 a highway like very nice boat launches. It there's asphalt 1:23:56.160 --> 1:24:00.840 boat launch geological evidence that the lakes have overflowed into 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:05.000 the Shine River and dried up completely on several occasions 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:11.560 over the past ten thousand years. I wonder how, I 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.599 wonder how it's like having a little dug during here. Man, 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:18.439 he's just not fighting with you. He doesn't fight you, 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:21.800 but he checks everything out. I wonder how high the 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:26.360 water asked the peak to two flow out of the basin. 1:24:27.640 --> 1:24:34.280 It's probably uh right around like how much higher than 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:40.320 right now? Elevation of one thousand, four hundred and fifty 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:45.680 four point three ft is when it'll start. It's like 1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:58.639 record high in modern day. So is that all right? Chester? Sure? Okay, 1:24:58.680 --> 1:25:00.479 Here's here's something I want to do because the top 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:06.679 about what we've been up to. I want to juxtapose, um. 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:11.960 I want to juxtapose live scope fishing with pike spearing 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:17.840 because I think these are uh right like like if 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:23.920 you imagine um, uh like, imagine that you stretch your 1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:26.880 arms out as wide as you can stretch them, Okay, 1:25:27.520 --> 1:25:33.439 and that constitutes the spectrum of ice fishing activities out 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:39.360 at your whatever tip your right fingertip is ah No, 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:45.240 it's a timeline that advances from SESS perspective. Let me see, 1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:49.200 from SESS perspective, my right fingertip would be spearing northerns 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:54.560 and my left fingertip would be live scope and fish 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.599 through the ice. So what do you want to start with? 1:25:57.680 --> 1:26:02.479 I'm asking you this, Jay uh Well, spearing, let's talk 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:06.360 about Sparing. I'll handle this one all right. Spearing, in 1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:11.799 my mind is true ice fishing, pure, true ice fishing. 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:14.720 Can you agree with that or not? What what do 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:18.240 you mean by that? It just feels like a long 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.599 time ago when you're spearing northerns now with ja sweet 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.120 camera set up. But we weren't. If we were, we 1:26:24.120 --> 1:26:26.800 weren't gaining anything with jay sweet camera set up. He 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:28.320 might have been attracted to my camera. We don't know 1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:30.800 if he came into the camera. He just that he 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:32.479 didn't eat the camera. I can't wait. Do you think 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:34.560 I could? Can I put that up on social media? 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:37.680 You don't care y post it? I'll credit you. Can 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.280 you get me a better version of it? Yeah? So 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:42.040 we had a sweet camera set up, but it had 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:43.800 nothing new with us. It wasn't even it wasn't in 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:45.560 the dark house. It was just recording and it was 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:48.400 cool to look at it later. Spearing goes like this 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:49.840 and a lot of people already know. I'm gonna tell 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:57.920 you anyway, Um, you are drill a hole of staggering 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:02.280 proportions through the ice, Mandy. Mandy said she's been around 1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:04.280 a lot of ice fishing activity. She has never seen 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:05.840 a spear hold as big as the one we made, 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:10.800 and I blame but Mandy has a giant augur, and 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:12.960 I normally think in my head like I'm gonna go 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:18.920 five augurs wide and three aggers deep. And that's what 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:32.519 I did, except yeah, and she fell in. She would 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:36.800 need to hit the sides. She could have fell in 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:42.120 horizontal and not hit the sides. So uh yeah, So 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:44.439 you like it used to be hard to make a 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:46.280 spear hole, but it's like with good augers, it's pretty 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:47.599 easy make a spear hole. You just make a bunch 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:49.680 of holes and you kind of butt them right up 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:51.960 to each other, and sometimes they'll overlap her, sometimes not. 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:55.719 And you take an ice saw and connect all the holes. 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:59.560 And you can do one of two things, depending on 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:01.080 where you're at and what you're supposed to do where 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:03.000 you're at um and I think it depends a little 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:05.479 bit on weather. You can either take that block and 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:07.360 each has its pros and cons. You can take that 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:10.320 block and shove it under the ice, sink in the cake, 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:13.000 that's what they call it. You can sink the cake 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:15.360 or you can what you what do you call when 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:16.840 you drag it up on the ice, eat the cake, 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:19.360 Eat the cake. You can't eat your cake and sink 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:29.680 it to j so uh um, pushing it down has 1:28:29.680 --> 1:28:31.680 to be the most common. Yeah, I'm trying. Is it is? 1:28:31.720 --> 1:28:34.920 It as like Eskimo makes the I have a bunch 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:39.040 of them, the Eskimo or I know that makes the screws, 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:44.400 the handle screws. So there's there's a screw you can 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.600 use to like anchor your your fish, sandy to the 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:49.320 ice or whatever you need to anchor to the ice. 1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:52.160 It's a screw you can just drive into the ice. Um. 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:54.680 And they also make h you can also get an 1:28:54.720 --> 1:28:56.600 Augur attachment, like I have an eye on Augur, and 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:59.400 you can get an attachment for driving the screws. Anyways, 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:01.479 when you cut this, so when you cut this puriphrey 1:29:01.520 --> 1:29:03.120 of the hole out the spear hole, you have like 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:06.400 a large block of ice sitting there. Um. And the 1:29:06.439 --> 1:29:08.800 old days they hook up the mules or whatever and 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:10.880 drag it up and put in the ice house packet 1:29:10.960 --> 1:29:12.960 with sawdust. Then you have ice all summer long. But 1:29:13.000 --> 1:29:16.000 that's not what we're doing. Um. To pull the block out, 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:19.760 like my friends in Alaska, pull the block out and 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:23.439 they'll drive the they'll drive the handles, the ice crews 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:25.559 into the block and then you get then you push 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:26.960 down on it like you know when you go to 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:29.040 pull someone into a boat who's wearing a life jacket. 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:31.840 How you go like down then up and you get 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:35.040 the buoyancy to help you get a little inertia. So 1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:38.160 you get a couple of those handles there and you 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:41.439 push down and you got one. You drag it up 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:43.160 on the ice. The problem is the really cold weather, 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:47.880 that block just freezes. It welds itself to the ice 1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:50.240 and that's not something you want to hit with your Well, 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:52.320 there was a guy that got killed. He was the 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:54.080 guy was racing across the lake on the snow and 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:55.840 bill and hit a block ice and someone that dragged 1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:58.880 out the frozen to kill the guy. Because the controversy 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.600 is the lake if if you have that open hole afterwards, 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:06.559 like you could potentially be open to manslaughter if someone 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:08.840 goes through that hole and dies. Right, It's like, I mean, 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:10.680 we marked our holes, but that's a pretty important thing. 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:13.160 It's if you don't mark that whole in a on 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:15.120 a warm day and it creates like a special thing 1:30:15.200 --> 1:30:18.080 is on a warm day when it's not gonna seal 1:30:18.160 --> 1:30:20.600 back up like we were on such cold weather that 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.200 you couldn't keep things open anyway if you wanted to. 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:27.120 But no, I don't want to drag it on too long. 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:29.040 But there's all these different things. So what they require. 1:30:29.560 --> 1:30:32.800 Here's a good way to discuss it. North Dakota, which 1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:35.519 I'd like to credit the North Dkota Fishing Game Agency. 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:40.320 They have very well thought ice fishing rules like fine 1:30:40.360 --> 1:30:44.439 tooth comb and they lay out just to tell him, 1:30:44.439 --> 1:30:47.280 when you drill a dark house, if you have a 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:53.960 hole that's ten inches or greater, you legally have to 1:30:55.400 --> 1:31:00.600 have a Dowell brightly colored wooden lay. I guess is 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:03.800 how they have it stated or a natural object to 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:06.559 mark your that hole and you have to have it 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:09.960 on you at while you're fishing, while you're fishing, and 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:11.880 I think it has to be clearly visible from fifty 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:15.760 yards und feet? Wasn't it clearly visible from hunter? Fil 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:21.479 defeat your marker? Um, so we sunk the cake. Then 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:25.800 what you gotta do is you need to uh. People 1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:27.240 do it different ways. Like when I was a little kid, 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:29.720 people used to like, so, well, you gotta put up 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:31.920 your shinny and you gotta have it darkened out. So 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:35.679 we use Eskimo shanties, and they got windows which are great. 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:38.400 To open the window up like a plastic window. You 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:40.479 can open up. Let's sunlight, and when you're regular fishing, 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:43.560 but then you can vel grow the flaps up to 1:31:44.040 --> 1:31:45.920 rule all the light because you gotta have it be 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:48.000 that you're in a dark structure. In fact, they call 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:49.559 it dark like they'll call it in the dark house 1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:52.439 or dark house fishing. So you drill this big asshole, 1:31:52.600 --> 1:31:55.120 you sit on a seat looking into it, and when 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:56.840 you're out in the daylight, you can't tell. You can't 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:58.680 see into the water. But the same way you know 1:31:58.680 --> 1:32:00.360 when you put your hands up around your eyes and 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:03.000 look down into the the water, when you put the 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:04.960 shanny up and block all the light from coming in 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:07.000 and shovel snow around the edge and really get it 1:32:07.040 --> 1:32:10.360 sealed up, it's like lit up like a TV screen. 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.479 To see the bottom. We were young, we used to 1:32:13.600 --> 1:32:17.439 put people would slice potatoes. If you're fishing in pretty 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:22.160 deep water, you'd slice potatoes real thin, or you'd boil 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:27.080 a bunch of elbow macaroni to get some white on 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:29.240 the bottom so that you can see the outline of 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:32.920 deep fish. We try to bed sheet once. That didn't 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:35.559 work too great. I can't picture that actually get it 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:38.240 to spread out properly then so they're gonna retrieve it 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:41.920 back out. It was so much work and it didn't 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:44.360 It didn't work. Thinking it was like you know, using 1:32:44.360 --> 1:32:48.679 like organic matter, like sure, remember I remember eggshells to say, 1:32:48.720 --> 1:32:50.599 all your eggshells, crump them up, put them down the hole, 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.200 just to get a little something to see what's going on. 1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:57.400 Pvc X. But people pull them out and white siding. 1:32:57.880 --> 1:32:59.400 Make an X in the bottom of the hole with 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:02.160 white side, then you can retrieve it. You pull it up, Yeah, 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:04.840 just so you catch something coming across. And I'm gonna 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:08.120 say something real quick, So I said ten inches or 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:12.439 greater you have to market. It's anything greater than ten 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:15.680 inches has to be marked. So normal tenantogger hole you 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:18.559 don't need to mark. Yes, I was wrong, that makes sense. 1:33:18.840 --> 1:33:21.679 Then so here you got this giant hole or whatever, 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:25.919 a hole, a big hole, and you got a dark structure. 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:28.640 So you're sitting in the dark, which makes which illuminates 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:30.280 the bottom, and you're looking down in there. And then 1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:35.439 you hang a decoy and you know you can get 1:33:35.479 --> 1:33:38.240 as extravagant or not decoy's range from that you would 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:42.280 hang a pie plate or a beer can down in 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:44.400 the hole, hanging on a string so you can jiggle 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:49.000 it and create like a object of curiosity to fish. Um. 1:33:49.360 --> 1:33:52.599 We had a decoy um that that a guy made 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:55.040 for us incentence to us where it's like it looks 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:58.320 like a fish, it's got finns. It's like it's not 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:02.719 quite neutral buoyancy. It's like slightly heavier, so it slowly 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:04.320 sinks and you lift it up on a string like 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.240 a puppet. Let the string go in its circles. It's 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:12.160 real nice and shows a lot of activity sharp truce. Um. 1:34:12.240 --> 1:34:13.559 I don't know if they do it as much anymore. 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:16.080 I remember like people used to harness rig sockers. You 1:34:16.160 --> 1:34:18.720 catch a soccer and harness rig of soccer and let 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:22.160 it swim around the hole to lure pike in. And 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:24.439 then but we used to you know, spear white There's 1:34:24.439 --> 1:34:26.519 a variety thinks people spirit us spear white fish and 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:29.400 some other stuff. Um in some lakes aout of spear walleye. 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:32.960 But it's generally like a pike thing northern pike. And 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:35.599 then you work that decoy. You know, you know you're 1:34:35.600 --> 1:34:38.000 anywhere from You could be as shallow as four ft 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:39.880 of water, which is pretty shallow. You can be as 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:42.320 deep as thirteen fourteen ft of water, which is pretty deep. 1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:45.760 But let's say you're six to eight feet of water. Um, 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:47.880 you work that decoin. Just wait and wait, wait and 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:51.840 wait and wait, and eventually a Northern, if you're lucky, 1:34:52.080 --> 1:34:54.640 a Northern, or many Northerns throughout the course of the 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:58.320 day are gonna come creeping in and they just sneak 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.080 up on that decoy. They like want to see what 1:35:00.160 --> 1:35:05.320 it is. They might strike it, they might just nudge it. Um. 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:08.920 And when they do, you have a weighted spear that 1:35:09.040 --> 1:35:14.920 you need to hit him. It's hard, but you did it. 1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:18.200 Things happened fast, tom Chester. Things that happened real fast. 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:21.680 They were in different ice shack and I cut in 1:35:22.040 --> 1:35:26.080 a little farther from him, and we had a d 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:32.840 Jay's decoy going and had I think four different occasions 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:37.880 where Pike came in and three of those no, two 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:41.240 of those times out of the four that Pike gave 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:45.320 us no chance to really spirit. It came in from nowhere. 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:49.519 I struck the decoy took off again. Was too good. 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:51.759 I don't understand why people don't put hooks on their decoys. 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:53.760 It's like, if your point is getting a pike to eat, 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:55.479 why not put hooks in the decoy because you see 1:35:55.520 --> 1:35:57.600 the decoy counsels the line. Anyways, Yeah, you know what 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:00.680 was interesting is I can't remember, was it man you're 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:04.080 j that made a comment about like do they grab it? Yeah, 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:05.800 I asked you just before and I said no, they'll 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:07.519 I said, they'll kind of like nudge it, but they 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.479 don't like grab it grab it. Five minutes later, this 1:36:09.560 --> 1:36:13.800 pike comes in and like really like grabbed them over 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:15.960 you to hook them, because I was like, no, they 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:18.400 like bump it, you know, they like they tap like 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:20.960 kind of like strike it. But this thing grabbed it 1:36:21.080 --> 1:36:23.639 and sort of like rastled with it. That was cool. 1:36:23.680 --> 1:36:26.400 That was super. You look like an alligator trying to 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:29.920 tear a chunk off something when you grabbed onto that thing. Well, 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:31.719 I was staring at it slowly and you were ready 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:34.680 to throw, and then it went in charge mode ate 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.800 it and then I mean you had that shot just after, 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:38.719 but that would have been a tough shot to make. Yeah. 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:43.840 I think it's um ah oh, I love it. And 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:45.559 it gets into the Bard we're talking about earlier like 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:49.280 sort of the cultural stuff, right, Like it's a and 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:52.240 there's a lot of states you cannot spear fish. You 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:57.759 cannot spear game fish, with the exception of dark house 1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:01.639 Northern Pike. It just a thing. That's a way people 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:04.840 have targeted northerns for a long time. As much as 1:37:04.840 --> 1:37:07.880 you can't spear game fish or gig game fish, um 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:12.720 in in northern States, it's like generally you can. This 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.600 is how we've always done it. And I think that 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:17.760 um in the future, if we're having a big old 1:37:17.760 --> 1:37:22.240 fight about the allocation of the resource, I would think 1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:25.920 that the live scope guys would need to ACQUI us 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:29.080 to the dark house guys. That was my That was 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:32.320 my segue into live scope fishing. Yeah, I mean I 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:35.000 I that was my first spear fishing experience and I 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:37.400 was like REVVD up. You know, I didn't get one, 1:37:37.439 --> 1:37:39.080 but just seeing when it was cool. I mean, I 1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:40.960 think there's they're, just like you said, different ends of 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:42.479 the spectrum. Because live scope for those of you that 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:44.400 aren't familiar with you know, can I gotta add one 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:47.799 making I'm sorry, just to tee it up better. Uh, 1:37:47.920 --> 1:37:49.759 I should point out that a lot of people would 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:53.400 say it's really unfair to the fish to spear the 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:56.000 fish because you're not tricking him into eating. Yeah, it's 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.200 like some people might be like, well, what's the challenge. 1:37:58.280 --> 1:38:01.519 Now you're sinking a giant spear into a fish. It's 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:06.360 a chance, very barbaric, and you can't release them. Nope, 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:10.880 it's like it's a blood it's bloodthirsty. I don't have 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:12.600 that perspective, but I just wanted to open up that 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:15.439 someone might say, Like someone might look and be like that. 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:19.400 To me, that strikes me as unethical fishing because it's 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:22.120 like you're you know, you haven't tricked him. He just 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:24.080 passes through the hole and you jab a big spear 1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:29.679 into him. Yeah that's got hurt. I got, Yeah your's. 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:33.960 Yours died pretty quickly. But I mean, yeah, it's it's 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:35.840 depends on the size. Like I mean, you have a 1:38:35.840 --> 1:38:37.599 little more of a chance when you catch with rod 1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:38.880 and real tich choose if you want to release it 1:38:38.960 --> 1:38:41.360 or not. Obviously you have a chance to decide if 1:38:41.360 --> 1:38:42.640 you want to spear that fish or not. But it 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:45.519 happens pretty fast. You got to make a decision and 1:38:46.120 --> 1:38:48.160 you might not have time to hum and hob between 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.880 a thirty five or yeah, that's what when I was, 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:53.960 when I was when I grew up in Michigan. Um, 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:55.840 we're just fishing lake where just no that you don't 1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:57.720 have a size requirement. So but when I grew up 1:38:57.720 --> 1:39:01.160 in Michigan, at first, for most my life that I 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:05.320 lived there, it was mostly twenty one. Northern had twenty one. 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:09.679 It jumped up to twenty four. But as you can imagine, 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:13.240 that's a hard call to make. It's a hard call 1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:16.720 to make fast, I would say, not just with when 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:20.080 you have introstrictions, like it's been highly controversial at Minnesota 1:39:20.479 --> 1:39:24.200 where uh, certain lakes that hold muskie have been specifically 1:39:24.200 --> 1:39:27.040 shut down into spirits and right because the normal joe, 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:30.320 even a really good anglers can to have a hard 1:39:30.479 --> 1:39:34.519 issue and that split second, you know, is that a 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:36.680 pike or is that a musky? And just in the 1:39:36.800 --> 1:39:39.679 last few years, like malax Cast, some of these ones 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:43.040 that hold really big, beautiful musky have now been reopened 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:46.160 for spirit. And it's highly controversial. Yeah, and that that 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:48.160 I imagine there's probably people to show up there that 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:51.000 aren't even aware that could be a thing, you know, 1:39:51.120 --> 1:39:53.400 and they're like Yeah, if you didn't, if you weren't 1:39:53.400 --> 1:39:55.240 aware that was gonna be a thing, you wouldn't until 1:39:55.240 --> 1:39:56.760 you got that thing up on the ice, you start 1:39:56.840 --> 1:39:58.760 thinking maybe something was a little different. But yeah, it 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:00.880 would be a hard call to make. Wudn't trust myself. 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:02.599 I've seen a lot of pike, a lot of musks. 1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:05.640 If I'm seeing it from straight down view, yeah, it 1:40:05.640 --> 1:40:08.240 would be some quick thinking. There are handful of lakes 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:11.400 right here in North Dakota that it's not legal to spear. 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:16.599 And so the weird thing is, uh, Spirit in North 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:18.960 Dakota has only been open for like twenty plus years. 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:21.200 The first year that they opened it was in two 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.040 thousand and eight, two thousand nine, and it was actually 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:25.479 only open for the first two weeks in March and 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:27.560 that was it, and it was only open to residents 1:40:28.360 --> 1:40:32.000 two thousan nine and ten. Um, it was the first 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:35.280 winter that non residents like Minnesotans could come in to 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:38.200 North Dakota and and spear, and then it was open 1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:42.479 for like a month, right, So then fast forward, Um, no, 1:40:42.560 --> 1:40:48.400 it was twenty We're most of the state you could spear, 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:51.920 but there still was not a statewide you know, spear 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:55.960 application for that, but it's yeah, so it keeps growing 1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:58.320 and growing. But so they've been like tiptoeing their way 1:40:58.320 --> 1:41:00.439 in probably wanting to see what the EVERS is going 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:03.040 to look like. Correct, So they went really above and 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:06.679 beyond and they have like unbelievable data. Like I'm fairly 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:09.360 impressed for their survey results here. So they did a 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:14.479 survey in one and they had four thousand, three hundred 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:19.679 seventy two uh individuals that registered four that were residents spears. 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:24.840 There was over dred non residents that so yeah, they 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:27.840 have figured about sixteen thousand, six hundred pike were speared 1:41:27.960 --> 1:41:30.439 from the people that they surveyed, right, So, I mean 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:32.840 they really dug down like a geek out about this 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:39.400 kind of sixteen thousand, six five Those guys are doing good, cracked. 1:41:39.439 --> 1:41:45.000 Here's like the average spear age was forty nine years 1:41:45.000 --> 1:41:48.559 old and eighty eight percent of them were male. Uh. 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:55.800 Seventy of the respondents indicated that they actually uh dark 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:59.360 house special. They must have surveyed like all of the 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:02.120 people that fishing licenses. So that's pretty high, right, like 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:08.000 that resident fishing license holders. You know, you sure it's 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:11.320 not that that all the people that got registered death. 1:42:11.360 --> 1:42:16.000 The percent that actually went so respondents indicated that they 1:42:16.040 --> 1:42:21.840 actually dark house spirit. They're they're interviewing people that registered, um. 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:25.280 But yeah, it must be growing of those people that 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:28.400 took the survey, so that they had taken someone dark 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:32.960 spiring for the first time. Yeah, I mean that's really cool. 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:35.799 They did a really good job with that spirit information. 1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:41.000 I'm like, really high on North Dakota fishing game man. 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:45.040 They the stocking reports and netting reports are unreal. A 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:52.360 lot of transparency. M h. Good state, good place to be. 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:55.240 There's a good place to be. And the Walley things 1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:58.400 new too, which is interesting how they're becoming more open 1:42:58.439 --> 1:43:00.560 to that. Like I think just last two years is 1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:02.000 when they opened while I spearing on a couple of 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:05.320 weeks around here. Oh so they're like tiptoeing into dark 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:07.680 They're the same as live Scope. They're both at the 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:10.320 same time, all right. So now now let's get into 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:12.000 the live scope thing. All right. So I got real 1:43:12.080 --> 1:43:14.920 mixed feelings. I want one bad, but I did get 1:43:14.960 --> 1:43:17.760 a little bit of a guilty conscience. Because here's I'll 1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:19.120 tell you later, go ahead and lay it all out. 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:21.719 I'll tell why I felt guilty. So, like your typical 1:43:22.479 --> 1:43:25.320 sonar whatever, you're getting an eighteen degree cone angle looking 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:27.000 down your hole. That's what you see. Use a lot 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:31.880 of analogies here. Yeah. So I mean, um, you're like 1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:34.200 shining a flashlight down the hole and that beam is 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:37.680 eighteen degrees and whatever is underneath the flashlight like like 1:43:37.720 --> 1:43:40.040 a Scooby Doo, like the flashlight that they always using 1:43:40.040 --> 1:43:42.720 Scooby Doo. Yeah, exactly, like that, like a very precise, 1:43:43.960 --> 1:43:48.000 very precise angle where it's like it's like utter darkness 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:52.840 meets utter light. Yeah, you got it. Um. So typically, yeah, 1:43:52.840 --> 1:43:54.400 the fishing off the right under hole, you would see 1:43:54.439 --> 1:43:56.000 him in real time. You can see your lure going 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:58.519 up and down, you can see the fish interacting. And 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:01.960 even that has revolutionized ice fishing. I think your your 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:04.800 catch trade, I would say, would be up three x 1:44:04.880 --> 1:44:06.559 or four x. With that, I would turn if I 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:08.880 forgot mine, I'd turn around for a lot of like 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:12.360 not all fishing. Obviously spearing electronics isn't gonna help you much, um, 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:14.519 but if I've got my electronics, I would turn around 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:17.560 and go home. But live scope now is instead of 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:20.120 that eighteen degree angle, it's a hundred thirty five degrees 1:44:20.680 --> 1:44:23.680 by eighteen, so you can decide how you want to 1:44:23.760 --> 1:44:26.439 point it and stuff. But it's like kind of like ultrasound, 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:28.600 you're getting a real time reading. So I can be 1:44:28.640 --> 1:44:31.880 looking a hundred feet off to the side, or I 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:35.120 can do a pan. So normally, let's say, for an example, 1:44:35.160 --> 1:44:38.680 you're looking for for black crappie's in a basin, you 1:44:38.680 --> 1:44:41.720 would drill that thing, you'd swiss cheese it right, you drawles, 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:44.639 and you'd keep hole hopping until you are marking fish. 1:44:45.200 --> 1:44:47.679 Now with this live scope, you put this transducer down, 1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:51.000 you drill one hole, and I can scan effectively a 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:55.240 hundred hundred feet or or more more in any direction 1:44:55.320 --> 1:44:57.680 around me. So I just saved myself cutting forty or 1:44:57.720 --> 1:44:59.840 fifty holes, and as well, you can see if those 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:02.080 fish you're moving. So when Steve and I were fishing yesterday, 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:05.120 we have the transducer between us, and we had warning 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:07.800 before the fish came in, so like long warning, yeah, 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:10.280 long warning. So it's like it's like that trail camera 1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:12.320 being set up, sending you a picture before it comes 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:14.920 you know, uh, you're not paying attention to all A 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:16.599 sudden look at the last cope and see, okay, Steve 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:18.560 there's a fish wi me towards you ten feet away, 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:21.759 and uh, you can see the size of the fish mood. 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:25.559 It's mood. And there's the graph on there that you 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:27.519 can measure it how big the fish are. And that's 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:30.040 that's that's one of the coolest parts because normally you 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.120 get nervous when you're marking a fish. But when you 1:45:32.160 --> 1:45:35.000 can tell it's a three ft fish or whatever, it 1:45:35.080 --> 1:45:37.320 might be a thirty inch walleye, it's like it gets 1:45:37.360 --> 1:45:39.080 your heart pounding in a different and you can see 1:45:39.080 --> 1:45:42.920 it's mood. Man. Yep. You use like when they're on 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:47.160 the bottom, like slithering along, then you can see what 1:45:47.200 --> 1:45:51.840 it likes. Yep. So you're sitting there and a fish 1:45:51.880 --> 1:45:55.880 comes and he gets like it gives like, it gets 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:59.000 the perspective. He's right below your stuff, and you jig 1:45:59.040 --> 1:46:02.400 it and raise it and he follows it and gets excited. 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:03.880 And then you raise a little more and he keeps 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:05.599 following it, and you do it again and he hits 1:46:06.400 --> 1:46:10.160 and you like tease him into hitting. Um. You can 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:12.280 try things on him. You can take his mood on 1:46:12.439 --> 1:46:15.240 the drop it down and shake in the mud. Doesn't care. 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:18.559 I'm gonna do this oh he's getting interested. I'm gonna 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:22.880 increase it's it's a scary tool and I've I've kind 1:46:22.920 --> 1:46:25.360 of compared it to you what drones is to hunting, 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:29.439 and and because there's just no hiding anymore, you know, 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:32.160 the fish can't hide and you and I mean, my 1:46:32.240 --> 1:46:34.600 favorite part of live scope is the learning tool that 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:38.000 it is, because now I can see, oh, those crappy spooked. 1:46:38.000 --> 1:46:39.160 I caught one out of the school in the other 1:46:39.200 --> 1:46:41.760 fifteen spooked away. Or I knelt down a little bit 1:46:41.760 --> 1:46:43.840 loud and shallow water and I saw the fish spook away, 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:47.160 and it's like, that's my favorite. Obviously it's cool to 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:48.760 see the fish eat, but you learn more about the 1:46:48.760 --> 1:46:54.120 biology and their general mood and characteristics. But it turns 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:56.160 into a lot of gear. Like like you said, the 1:46:56.200 --> 1:46:59.680 spearing is super primitive, and now you're staring at a 1:46:59.720 --> 1:47:03.160 screw mean all day. So it's like we go fishing 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:05.000 to get away from screens. Yet you and I are 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:06.560 sitting in the shack staring at a screen. So I 1:47:06.920 --> 1:47:08.640 can see how some people don't like that. Like I 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:11.599 definitely get a lot of comments on my videos like, hey, 1:47:11.600 --> 1:47:15.360 you're not even fishing anymore, and it's like, well, I 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:17.840 want I wouldn't say that that that's hard for me 1:47:17.880 --> 1:47:26.320 because you know, you use it, but you know twenty 1:47:26.920 --> 1:47:31.320 x the information that I would. I would say that 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:32.960 after having hanging out with you for a few days, 1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:36.719 you you know twenty times more about fish and fishing 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:42.720 then your average fisherman. Thank you. So if you were like, dude, 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:47.519 I don't looking fish, but you're all there just slaying, 1:47:48.000 --> 1:47:50.160 it winds up being like, you know a bunch about fish, 1:47:50.240 --> 1:47:52.160 you know a bunch about fishing, You're probably gonna catch 1:47:52.200 --> 1:47:53.880 a bunch of fish no matter what. And you use 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:56.360 that like a lot of that stuff goes that way. 1:47:56.439 --> 1:47:58.639 It's like the same thing the guy who's like diligently 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:00.599 running a bunch of trail camps is probably a pretty 1:48:00.600 --> 1:48:04.680 dedicated hunter. You always think that it's gonna wind up 1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:06.640 being that that technologies are gonna wind up being that 1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:09.960 any old Joe Blow can go do X. And maybe 1:48:09.960 --> 1:48:11.719 that's the case, But I just I haven't like seen 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:13.840 like a ton of evidence story because I've generally seen 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:17.200 that like people that are already obsessed to become early 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:19.760 adopters on new stuff, and they were the ones kicking 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:21.680 they were kicking ass before, and they're kicking ass now. 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:25.519 I don't think. I think you're probably underselling yourself after 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:30.479 watching you fish. Um, we're out there, like, what the 1:48:30.479 --> 1:48:33.160 hell the temperature was? Like, I don't know. We've been 1:48:33.160 --> 1:48:35.639 out in temperatures. The lowest I've seen is negative twenty nine. 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:39.920 The highest I've seen is four. Every time we were fishing, 1:48:39.920 --> 1:48:42.519 it was in the negatives. What were wind gusts yesterday, 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:48.599 it's like sustained winds of thirty Yeah, the wind shown bow. 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:58.160 We moved four times last night. So that's not comfortable here, 1:48:58.160 --> 1:49:01.160 It's it's manageable. Yeah, but I'm saying like you're still moving, 1:49:01.880 --> 1:49:04.240 so there's still like a level of ambition, Like you 1:49:04.280 --> 1:49:06.400 put that thing down and we don't catch any fish, 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:08.040 we don't marketing fish, and we move. But it was 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.439 about like if you were fishing normally without electronics, that's 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.240 about when you would have moved, didn't get a hit. 1:49:13.840 --> 1:49:16.080 What it doesn't. It's like, I don't know, you might 1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:20.679 be overestimating. It's like you might overestimate the impact because 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:22.960 I think that what it does is it's you'd probably 1:49:22.960 --> 1:49:25.479 go through a lot of the same activities. Yeah, you'd 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.000 probably like go to an area, you'd probably try the 1:49:28.040 --> 1:49:30.280 same baits, you try the same tackles, you try to 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:35.840 uh similar strategy, but there'd be more of a mystery, 1:49:36.080 --> 1:49:38.040 like you wouldn't know that fish were down, but you 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:40.960 know you weren't getting hits. It speeds up, it speeds 1:49:41.000 --> 1:49:43.360 up the search, but like you know, when you go 1:49:43.400 --> 1:49:45.280 to your initial spot, you still need to know why 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:46.800 the fish are gonna be there, right, You need to 1:49:46.800 --> 1:49:50.280 have that initial understanding of fish biology and being like, oh, 1:49:50.320 --> 1:49:52.080 the walles are gonna be on tap rocks, Let's go 1:49:52.200 --> 1:49:54.439 check deep rocks, and the live scope confirms, confirms or 1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:57.719 denies that they're there, and then you move on. So yeah, 1:49:57.840 --> 1:50:00.280 the thing I learned when I first started mess around 1:50:00.280 --> 1:50:03.880 with electronics and ice fishing um beyond like a flasher, 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:07.600 but but putting lowering a camera down, which caused me 1:50:07.640 --> 1:50:10.800 to have all kinds of other guilty feelings. Putting a 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:15.719 camera down I learned more about in the first couple 1:50:15.720 --> 1:50:17.760 of days I fished with a camera down the whole 1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:21.160 I learned more about the way fish behave in the 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:25.960 winter than I did from forty five years of ice fishing, 1:50:27.160 --> 1:50:30.840 which is that I used to picture when you um, 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:37.519 we're fishing and not getting fish, it was that you 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:41.800 weren't on fish or they were turned off and they 1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:46.080 were just like laying somewhere. I didn't know that all 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:51.719 day there are fish coming out of curiosity to come 1:50:51.840 --> 1:50:58.960 look at basically kiss your thing and move on, but 1:50:59.120 --> 1:51:02.760 come in like there's no motivation of hunger. It's like 1:51:02.840 --> 1:51:04.960 they come and they're like, oh, that's what that is, 1:51:06.479 --> 1:51:10.559 and stare at it, and come and stare at it, 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:12.400 and leave and come and stare at It's not always 1:51:12.439 --> 1:51:14.880 little fish. I've seen big fish do the same thing. 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:17.559 If you're banging the bottom, they in the silts coming 1:51:17.640 --> 1:51:20.400 up that they come and nose around in that silt, 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:23.880 but don't eat anything. Oh I've I've played with the 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:26.360 fish for fifteen minutes before getting them to eat. It's like, 1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:28.000 why did it take him that long to eat the 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:29.880 juicy meat in front of his face? I had like 1:51:30.080 --> 1:51:34.160 that changed. Then it became in my mind what I 1:51:34.240 --> 1:51:37.040 used to think was they're not around, or they're somewhere else. 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:40.960 They're laying low. There's sort of like this middle area 1:51:41.040 --> 1:51:45.840 where they're very active, moving all around and are not 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:50.840 going to eat, but they're very interested in that. They 1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:53.160 want to know what's going on. They want all that 1:51:53.240 --> 1:51:57.960 noise was. They want to know what that movement was. Um. 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:00.320 And then there's like a competitive aspect they have. They 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:02.360 have like a little bit of there, like a little 1:52:02.360 --> 1:52:05.920 bit like kids where one of them doesn't want something, 1:52:06.080 --> 1:52:08.080 but when someone else wants it, they also decided they 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:11.479 want it. Like he'll stare at it his body. Yeah, 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:13.200 he'll stare at his buddy will show up and then 1:52:13.200 --> 1:52:16.719 he eats it. We see that in you know, open 1:52:16.760 --> 1:52:19.479 water a lot with small mouth but I uce fishing. 1:52:19.520 --> 1:52:21.799 You see the little panfish with blue gills or croppies. 1:52:21.840 --> 1:52:23.840 You can get that school fired up and it's a 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:25.360 lot of fun. Then they get like, well I don't 1:52:25.360 --> 1:52:30.760 want it, but I want him to have it. Frenzy. Yeah. 1:52:31.439 --> 1:52:34.880 So um, let me ask you this, and do you 1:52:35.000 --> 1:52:36.920 you you walleye fish and turn him in fish with 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:40.599 live scope? Yes? How many do you got? You have 1:52:40.640 --> 1:52:42.800 two on your boat at all time? No? I only 1:52:42.800 --> 1:52:47.559 have one? Okay, let me ask you if you gotta 1:52:47.560 --> 1:52:52.719 be totally honest. Let's say, um, all of a sudden, 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:56.120 your local government, not your the fishing Game agency, says 1:52:57.439 --> 1:53:01.719 all right, that's it no life scope old done illegal. 1:53:02.240 --> 1:53:04.120 Would you breathe a sigh of relief or would you 1:53:04.160 --> 1:53:08.519 be like, oh man, I'd I'd be I'd be pretty 1:53:08.520 --> 1:53:13.160 mad you wouldn't breathe the sigh relief. I want to 1:53:13.240 --> 1:53:15.400 learn as much as fish, like as much as possible 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:16.680 of fish. And that's why I got into scuba diving, 1:53:16.680 --> 1:53:18.559 because I want to see them underwater and short of 1:53:18.640 --> 1:53:21.160 strapping the scooby gear on the live scope is like 1:53:21.439 --> 1:53:23.759 when you see that fish relating exactly to that boulder, 1:53:24.240 --> 1:53:26.800 it's it's a pretty cool deal because that's what you visualize, 1:53:26.840 --> 1:53:29.920 but then you actually seeing it, it verifies what you 1:53:29.920 --> 1:53:33.280 you know, Yeah, what you've been thinking. I think you'd 1:53:33.280 --> 1:53:35.120 be all right with it. I mean honestly, because it's 1:53:35.120 --> 1:53:38.040 such a new technology, you'd be like whatever. Correct. And 1:53:38.120 --> 1:53:40.920 right now we're actually already seeing it on the tournament side. 1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:43.760 So there's an ice circuit in Minnesota and they have 1:53:43.920 --> 1:53:47.960 outlawed the use of life scope those tournaments. No go 1:53:48.680 --> 1:53:50.479 you know what you know? One thing about it would 1:53:50.479 --> 1:53:52.120 be like, let's say you're having an ice fish and 1:53:52.200 --> 1:53:55.280 is ice fish is a blue collar pursuit, right, It's 1:53:55.400 --> 1:53:57.439 it's just it just is right, it's a blue collar 1:53:57.439 --> 1:54:02.559 pursuit um. And then if you're having like local derby's 1:54:04.400 --> 1:54:07.360 and like the dude that can through connections or just 1:54:07.479 --> 1:54:09.200 from having cash, the guy that can throw it down 1:54:09.280 --> 1:54:12.920 five grand and a live scope. Right, yeah, people only 1:54:12.920 --> 1:54:14.200 be like, well, how do I like in the derby? 1:54:14.320 --> 1:54:16.639 How do I keep up with that? Man? I'm out 1:54:16.680 --> 1:54:19.040 here with that with the axe and a you know, 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:21.360 I'm out here with the axe and cut down zeb 1:54:21.439 --> 1:54:23.720 coo the tip of a zeb coo rod with a 1:54:23.800 --> 1:54:28.680 real tape to the Ferrell. Now I get that, you know, 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:32.560 I get that. Man. He's like, whatever, she can live 1:54:32.560 --> 1:54:36.200 without it. She's still catch fish. Jay's like, no, no, no, 1:54:36.240 --> 1:54:38.600 it's not about catching fish. It's about learning about fish, 1:54:38.880 --> 1:54:41.040 which I like, this is this is an element of 1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:43.520 truth in that. Yeah, there's also a little bit of 1:54:43.560 --> 1:54:46.440 fish catching in there. Yeah, don't don't, don't. Don't come 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:48.080 to me and act like it's not about catching fish. 1:54:49.080 --> 1:54:52.680 Learning is nice. The catching is nice too. Seth just 1:54:52.760 --> 1:54:57.840 likes every aspect of it. He loves free gear. No, 1:54:57.960 --> 1:55:01.200 he's got no free live scope. So you're saying, like 1:55:01.360 --> 1:55:04.600 you just like are you know, if I had the money, 1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:07.360 I would go right now and buy it. One of 1:55:07.440 --> 1:55:09.280 the things I've found and this is something I like 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:15.840 about Seth. A lot A lot of people um mistake 1:55:16.560 --> 1:55:23.280 jealousy for something else. They mistake jealousy for moral superiority. Okay, 1:55:23.800 --> 1:55:28.160 so they'll see a live scope set up, and what's 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:31.600 going on deep in their psyche is they want one, 1:55:32.800 --> 1:55:34.720 but they don't have that kind of jingle laying around. 1:55:35.760 --> 1:55:38.720 So what they do in their mind then is they 1:55:38.760 --> 1:55:42.200 do a thing where they disapprove of it. Yep, I 1:55:42.240 --> 1:55:44.839 feel that they disapprove of it, like, oh, you shouldn't 1:55:44.840 --> 1:55:47.560 be able to have that. But what's really going on 1:55:47.680 --> 1:55:49.480 is they're like, I gotta wish to add one of those. 1:55:50.520 --> 1:55:53.040 But their body is, their brain is helping itself out 1:55:53.840 --> 1:55:57.200 giving them a sense of moral superiority, which is it 1:55:57.280 --> 1:56:02.200 feels for some people feels good. Jealousy it feels bad. 1:56:02.320 --> 1:56:03.600 I have one of my kids, My kids have a 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:06.160 book about jealousy and they describe jealousy. The book describes 1:56:06.240 --> 1:56:11.080 jealousy as a hot, prickly feeling. Seth is such a 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:16.720 pure individual. Listen to me, tell you you tell this 1:56:16.760 --> 1:56:19.560 guy something, to tell him not to tell anyone. You 1:56:19.600 --> 1:56:26.760 couldn't waterboarded out of him. Um. Anyways, he sees one, 1:56:26.800 --> 1:56:28.760 he wants it, and he just says he wants one. 1:56:31.120 --> 1:56:33.440 He doesn't act like he doesn't act like he's got 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:36.440 like moral like any kind of more old lemma. I'm 1:56:36.440 --> 1:56:39.840 in the same boat with Seth. I want one real 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:44.800 bad but one of In fact, I think I could 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:50.040 say I lost not but one. One point that I 1:56:50.680 --> 1:56:53.000 that I think of when it comes to that is, 1:56:53.560 --> 1:56:57.440 over the past few years, I've gotten really good with 1:56:57.760 --> 1:57:02.080 the technology that I have, right so, like down imaging 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:05.919 side imaging and being able to look on down imaging 1:57:06.200 --> 1:57:09.600 and be like, pretty sure that's a walleye just by 1:57:09.640 --> 1:57:12.440 the way you know, or like the size of the 1:57:12.440 --> 1:57:16.320 fish compared to what you're seeing on the screen. Um. 1:57:16.360 --> 1:57:20.880 So like if they took live scope and outlawed it 1:57:21.000 --> 1:57:23.680 right now, I'd be like the playing field would be 1:57:23.720 --> 1:57:26.720 a little more level, because we still have to you 1:57:26.760 --> 1:57:29.520 have to put some time in to get good at 1:57:30.200 --> 1:57:32.200 That's why that's why I opposed the Internet when it 1:57:32.240 --> 1:57:34.720 came out, because I was good at looking up stuff 1:57:34.720 --> 1:57:38.040 in the library and I could smoke anybody in the library. 1:57:39.040 --> 1:57:40.840 And then they made the Internet, and then now any 1:57:40.920 --> 1:57:42.680 time Dick and Harry and go find out stuff. And 1:57:42.680 --> 1:57:45.200 I used to have a competitive advantage. Yeah, I mean, 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:47.840 Seth could probably take better pictures with his phone than 1:57:47.880 --> 1:57:49.880 most people with high on cameras. You gotta you gotta 1:57:49.880 --> 1:57:56.120 spend a lot of hours figuring it out, like, um, yeah, 1:57:57.360 --> 1:58:01.200 it's not a play figured I know. Man, it's like 1:58:01.240 --> 1:58:04.960 this kind of stuff keeps me up at night. Do 1:58:05.000 --> 1:58:06.680 you know. I want to point out I know how 1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:13.680 to close this out this trip I was catching we 1:58:13.720 --> 1:58:17.560 sat down. Um granted, I had nothing to do with 1:58:17.600 --> 1:58:21.720 picking the spots, nothing to do with picking the spots, Okay, 1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:25.760 but um I was catching fish for you guys had 1:58:25.800 --> 1:58:28.600 the electronics hiped up, you were, you sat down in 1:58:28.640 --> 1:58:31.360 that first seat. But I didn't pick the spots. You know, 1:58:32.520 --> 1:58:38.600 someone just like here fish this whole Steve's roping him 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:41.920 as I'm trying to get the transducer to work. He 1:58:42.040 --> 1:58:44.000 did that to all three of us, just like the 1:58:44.040 --> 1:58:46.080 other night. I don't know Steve well enough to like 1:58:46.080 --> 1:58:47.640 give him grief right aways. But when you're on a 1:58:47.640 --> 1:58:49.800 fishing trip and everybody starts casting before things are ready, 1:58:49.840 --> 1:58:53.839 it's like, dude, slow down, Like when you know, especially 1:58:53.880 --> 1:58:55.560 when the cameras are in enrolling that. That's my pet 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:58.280 peeve when I'm filming with somebody and I'm like, Okay, 1:58:58.400 --> 1:58:59.920 I don't care what you do today, just wait to 1:59:00.120 --> 1:59:02.240 get the camera set up. And then, just like my wife, 1:59:02.240 --> 1:59:04.000 folks a fish right away. And it was like, Sam, 1:59:04.040 --> 1:59:06.520 you could have just waited like a minute, but I 1:59:06.520 --> 1:59:08.160 can't be match. You caught a fish, right, And then 1:59:08.200 --> 1:59:10.280 she's got to pretend to be excited about the second one. 1:59:10.320 --> 1:59:13.880 But you can never quite pretend that. Well, yeah, I 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:15.560 had some other thought. I was going to add about 1:59:15.560 --> 1:59:19.640 this whole deal. The weather and everything was beautiful. Oh yeah, 1:59:19.640 --> 1:59:21.840 all that stuff, but I mean more like, um, more 1:59:21.840 --> 1:59:26.480 about the more about that. Yeah, you're enjoyed it, man, 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:30.320 I enjoyed looking through that stuff. It was a good time, 1:59:30.440 --> 1:59:33.240 and I enjoyed Beetle enjoyed fishing you guys, sharing a shack, 1:59:33.480 --> 1:59:36.560 sharing some hooksets, many fish with Yannie. Oh, I don't 1:59:36.560 --> 1:59:38.560 know what's gonna add. Did you like fishing with Yanni? 1:59:40.480 --> 1:59:45.160 That's a loaded question. No. I did love it, But 1:59:45.440 --> 1:59:50.080 like somebody that just I truly felt like to his core, 1:59:50.200 --> 1:59:52.160 he did not have a good time. He did not 1:59:52.280 --> 1:59:55.200 like the cold weather, like he I think he liked 1:59:55.200 --> 1:59:59.480 the experience and like it was kind of it was 1:59:59.520 --> 2:00:01.960 so out of his willhouse. It seems so foreign to 2:00:02.040 --> 2:00:03.240 him that he was just like you are you guys 2:00:03.280 --> 2:00:05.400 are just insane, right, He's not like a born he's 2:00:05.400 --> 2:00:07.200 not a born and bread ice an. Yeah, he's just 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:10.360 like you. You seriously do this for fun, Like this 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:13.000 is like a cultural thing where you live, where people 2:00:13.080 --> 2:00:16.160 do this as a pastime. And I'm like, yeah, like 2:00:16.320 --> 2:00:18.480 why wouldn't you, Like I don't understand why you're not 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:21.280 like excited and like see this, but I forget that 2:00:21.680 --> 2:00:24.240 it is a cultural thing, you know, for for where 2:00:24.240 --> 2:00:26.360 you grow up or how you grow up with what 2:00:26.440 --> 2:00:30.040 kind of outdoor activities that are just part of everyday life. 2:00:30.200 --> 2:00:32.760 So yeah, I know he was like it was cool 2:00:32.760 --> 2:00:34.800 to have him to the house and the whole crew 2:00:34.920 --> 2:00:38.040 and a really cool experience. I know. I was gonna 2:00:38.080 --> 2:00:41.720 add a perspective that Callahan had about technology and ice fishing, 2:00:42.080 --> 2:00:45.440 and he's not opposed to it, right, um, And if 2:00:45.480 --> 2:00:48.720 someone was gonna be at probably him, but he's not. 2:00:48.800 --> 2:00:51.440 He had a perspective like what happens to the psychology 2:00:51.440 --> 2:00:53.160 of an angler, where he says you could be ice 2:00:53.200 --> 2:00:56.760 fishing and having perfectly good time, but then someone shows 2:00:56.880 --> 2:01:00.440 up with more Like someone shows up and that's up 2:01:00.480 --> 2:01:05.040 next to you with more electronics, and cal says. The 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:08.640 feeling you then get is, oh, now we're fucked. Like 2:01:08.720 --> 2:01:12.520 he said, somehow makes him feel like like it makes 2:01:12.600 --> 2:01:16.000 him feel like he's not doing you know that he's 2:01:16.040 --> 2:01:18.560 like doesn't know something or is not doing something right 2:01:18.720 --> 2:01:20.480 or now this person is going to catch all the fish. 2:01:20.720 --> 2:01:23.040 And he's not proposing that as something as anyone else's 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:26.000 problem but his own. He's just commenting on his own psychology. 2:01:26.440 --> 2:01:29.080 That would be like when someone has that, then he's like, well, 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:32.000 now I'm screwed. The the key the key is to 2:01:32.080 --> 2:01:34.920 never fish with that technology. Now that you fish with it, 2:01:34.920 --> 2:01:37.520 you're screwed. If you'd never fished with it before, you know, 2:01:37.600 --> 2:01:40.520 you maybe see clips online, but once you actually experience it. 2:01:40.760 --> 2:01:42.360 I know, the people that have sat in my shack 2:01:42.440 --> 2:01:44.640 or sat in my boat, it's like they've dropped that 2:01:44.640 --> 2:01:48.640 money afterwards. And I'm guilty of causing him that, separating 2:01:48.640 --> 2:01:54.720 Americans or Canadians from their money. Yeah, I'm sure Garment 2:01:54.760 --> 2:01:57.840 likes it when you do that. What's the ice fish 2:01:57.960 --> 2:02:00.880 m be mean that is one of my biggest partners. 2:02:00.880 --> 2:02:03.480 That's ice Fishing Manitoba. That's their urs and brands. So 2:02:03.600 --> 2:02:08.280 shout out Ice Fish MB. I'm Fish Manitoba getting a 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:13.760 lot of fun. Joy. All right, here's the final plug. 2:02:13.760 --> 2:02:16.680 We're gonna go cooks. We're gonna go fry up some 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:18.840 some catching cook walleye. We're gonna fry up some fish. 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:20.600 We're gonna put catching cook on there. There you go, 2:02:20.640 --> 2:02:23.840 catch cooked. Tell people how to find you, guys, you'll 2:02:23.840 --> 2:02:25.920 go ahead. You can go first. Yeah, if if you 2:02:25.920 --> 2:02:27.760 want to find me on YouTube, j semens j A 2:02:27.920 --> 2:02:30.720 Y s I E M E n S Canadian Angle, 2:02:31.000 --> 2:02:33.400 Canadian Angle on YouTube. We got both roll in season 2:02:33.440 --> 2:02:36.200 two dropping now. And if you want to buy some 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:39.360 fish breading catch cooked on net. There you go, easy 2:02:39.400 --> 2:02:42.000 peasy and a real nice folding flame knife. Yeah you 2:02:42.080 --> 2:02:44.320 guys selling those like hot cakes. Yeah, they're sounding pretty good. 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:47.360 Folding fly knife, really nice job, thank you, thank you. 2:02:47.440 --> 2:02:48.840 Those are kind of a pain in the ass, but 2:02:48.880 --> 2:02:50.160 it's like you don't need to have the sheet. You 2:02:50.160 --> 2:02:51.680 can put in your pocket without cutting a hole in 2:02:51.720 --> 2:02:56.480 your leg. Um. Folding flat knife, high quality knife, beautiful craftsmanship, 2:02:56.880 --> 2:02:59.600 thank you, Steve. Yeah, real nice knife. I going free. 2:03:01.320 --> 2:03:02.760 But you know what, I would have bought that son 2:03:02.760 --> 2:03:04.480 of a bitch man, I appreciate it. I would have 2:03:04.480 --> 2:03:09.880 given you a discount code. Uh, Mandy, how do people 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:13.920 find you? They can find me on Instagram just I 2:03:13.960 --> 2:03:15.880 don't have any crazy names like everybody else. I just 2:03:15.960 --> 2:03:17.800 left it as Mandy Rick, so they can find me 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:20.680 on old school. Yeah, super old school. I still even 2:03:20.680 --> 2:03:23.680 have a Hotmail account that's an m E N D 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:26.360 y U h R I c H. I've got my 2:03:26.440 --> 2:03:29.320 pro account and my personal account on on Facebook. Or 2:03:29.360 --> 2:03:31.720 they can find me on Instagram or will you accept 2:03:31.760 --> 2:03:35.200 them on both accounts or just on the pro account? Uh? 2:03:35.480 --> 2:03:37.880 Just on the pro account. And I will say, list 2:03:38.200 --> 2:03:40.400 like Joe Blow who wants to come and be like 2:03:40.440 --> 2:03:43.120 your body? You might not accept them on your personal account. 2:03:43.200 --> 2:03:47.880 My personal accounts full. It's it literally, I'm Max so um. 2:03:47.920 --> 2:03:51.320 I will say I've been struggling with Facebook because there's 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:55.240 actually a full account. They used my photos. It's my 2:03:55.320 --> 2:03:57.720 name and it's they say that I'm from South Dakota 2:03:57.960 --> 2:04:00.640 and Facebook will not take it down, like they will 2:04:00.680 --> 2:04:04.360 not take that account down, and it's my picture like 2:04:04.440 --> 2:04:07.040 my like everything, and they won't take it down. So 2:04:07.120 --> 2:04:11.000 I've I've almost considered just kind of deleting everything off 2:04:11.040 --> 2:04:13.440 there and just going to Instagram and everyone to report it. 2:04:13.640 --> 2:04:16.040 Everyone's listening to the podcast report the fake account. Yes, 2:04:16.080 --> 2:04:17.760 they're actually can report the real account, and your real 2:04:17.760 --> 2:04:20.200 account's gonna get pulled. It looks for the one that 2:04:20.240 --> 2:04:22.560 says that I'm from South Dakota, I am not from 2:04:22.600 --> 2:04:26.240 South Dakota. That's the bad one. That's bad one. But 2:04:26.280 --> 2:04:28.760 don't join it. Correct, don't don't go to that one. 2:04:28.840 --> 2:04:31.600 That's not who's doing that? I don't know. And the 2:04:31.760 --> 2:04:34.240 worst part is is they've got a lot of people 2:04:34.400 --> 2:04:38.120 on there and I just don't understand. It's it's really frustrating. 2:04:38.120 --> 2:04:39.960 It's weird to find that person and kick them in 2:04:39.960 --> 2:04:46.680 a little berries. Thanks alright, Boddy, get the oil. We're 2:04:46.720 --> 2:04:49.000 doing it. We're gonna replace the smell of a thawn 2:04:49.040 --> 2:04:51.400 out northern with the smell of hot grease. There you go. 2:04:52.160 --> 2:04:53.680 Thanks everybody, Thank you, Thank