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Speaker 1: All right, ja siemens as a um as a way

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Speaker 1: of introduction, tell what you got going on in that

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Speaker 1: that that what that thing is called. Well, you told

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Speaker 1: we're calling it a lug. It's a tote or lug.

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Speaker 1: And we currently have a northern pike speared by Steve,

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Speaker 1: freeze like from the shack of the truck. Introduce yourself

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Speaker 1: a little more j and if you want, if you want,

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Speaker 1: you can do your like you plug my plug, all right,

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Ah. Yeah. My name is Jay Siemens. I.

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Speaker 1: Uh I'm an ex fishing guide in Canada turned videographer

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Speaker 1: says Seth Little Hustle. Yep, man, introduce yourself now, whatever

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Speaker 1: the Seth Little Hustle. This is Seth Little Side Hustle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like it's mint condition, mint condition, big Tuna, Jackson Kayak,

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Speaker 1: um like access like a boat ramp improvements, UM, fish

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Speaker 1: You're tied to that generous gesture because they're not pocketing

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, and enormous valt on my personal instagram. How

423
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Speaker 1: many times that's in my whole instagram will just be

424
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Speaker 1: around that boat. Okay, I'm just I'm just lending you.

425
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: I can't do I'm just lending my boat. I want

426
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Speaker 1: to fill to install that astonishment with We will spend

427
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: so much time on that boat. We'd probably get like

428
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: a WiFi hotspot on that boat and just work on

429
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Speaker 1: the boat. I spend a certain amount of time in

430
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: my boat that's not as much as I like because

431
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: of windy days. I can't get out there on windy days. Man.

432
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: I think the boat manufacturers gonna beating your door down, Dude.

433
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna cut this out and I'm

434
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: just giving you my boat. That's all. That's all compelling.

435
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: This whole thing is. Yeah, I see, I see the value.

436
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: We sell a lot of catching covers. Okay, you're ready

437
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: to move on that. That covers boat news. Now, people

438
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: are probably so excited about the wallet boat they forgot

439
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: about the big tune of kayak. But remember, uh vaccinating

440
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: zoo animals. Wow, this has been going on for quite

441
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: a while. But I want to cover like the transition,

442
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you like the transition. There had transitions

443
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Speaker 1: being Walleye boats vaccinating zoo animals. This caught my eye.

444
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: They were a picture of where they're fixing the vaccinate

445
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: some stuff for COVID. The feending that I was reading

446
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: an article where the Phoenix Arizona Zoo is the latest

447
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: to vaccinate animals that are likely to get COVID because

448
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: of close contact with humans. I didn't know this. Um

449
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: Nebraska's Lincoln Children's Zoo, they lost three snow leopards to COVID.

450
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Really yeah, so they worked up It was this outfit

451
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: that worked up this uh. Zotis Zodis, a global animal

452
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: health company based in New Jersey, worked up some kind

453
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: of vaccine, donated doses for the zoos, and they got

454
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: authorized emergency use for endangered species. So they've been vaccinating um,

455
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: Sumatran tigers, jaguars, African lions. Hit him with a dark gun.

456
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: Huh for those unvaccinated folks, a better watch out sometimes people,

457
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: the government's just gonna come over dark. Yeah, that's a

458
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: good conspiracy to start. I worked up another conspiracy. Young

459
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: gonna start, Like there's kind of a fun one to

460
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: start about how to stay warm and cold weather, um,

461
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: like a physiology. And then we could work one up

462
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: that we heard, like all those black helicopters that we're

463
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna do like you know, New World Order, they're now

464
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: just using them to vax people who don't who won't

465
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: get vaxed with tranked darts. That's what happened to Chester's

466
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: cousin All right Chester. Um they've been did I say

467
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: African lions with it? With a dart um born Ian orangutangs,

468
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: Emperor tamarins. They're hitting the fruit bats. That seems that

469
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, Gypsian fruit bats, Armadilla's sloths. That

470
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: must be a pretty tiny dose in a bat. Yeah,

471
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: how do you think who is being interesting? Who calculates that? Out?

472
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: At that zoo, the Phoenix Arizona Zoo, they've they've they've

473
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: they've needled seventy five animals. I'm gonna put this on

474
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: my Instagram, a picture of a jaguars doing and I

475
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: had the comment on as what I'm gonna put on

476
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: Instagram is a comment about I could picture it calls

477
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: using creating some real soul searching. At Peter people for

478
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: the ethical treatment of animals, they probably will have to

479
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: have a meeting about whether they like vehemently oppose or

480
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: vehemently support because they're down on zoos anyway, they're down

481
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: on pet ownership, right, So how do they feel like

482
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: this animal has no say? Like they don't like um

483
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: sexual mutilation of animals when you when you cut their

484
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: nuts off and stuff. Maybe they do. I don't know,

485
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, like are they how do you spend

486
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: that in that org? Good question, like are they like

487
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: pissed or do they like it? Because you one could argue,

488
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: one could say, hey, man, it's not the jaguar's fault

489
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: that he's in the zoo. That sucks for him. They

490
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do that. But since he is there,

491
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: the least you can do is keep him from dying

492
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: catching COVID. Like that's a pro coach or would be.

493
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: The other approach would be, this is yet another example

494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: of us forcing our will on animals without there consent,

495
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, consent. Yeah, there are some internal meetings about that.

496
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: I feel like they should dial me in for those meetings.

497
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, man, I know you and I

498
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: got our differences, but I'm very interested in this one

499
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: and we should have we I'd like to help hash

500
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: this one out. Yeah, that's crazy. After we did our episode,

501
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: which one you guys can remember who was on these shows?

502
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: Were you guys there for Doug and Halflefinger? No, we

503
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: were there with no theat it was called talking about

504
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: things that are not sexy to talk about. That was

505
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Spencer and who else was there? Not well in the

506
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: in the episode talking about things that are not sexy

507
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: to talk about. I talked about Doug send me mean

508
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: text Messa just and trying to start a fight with

509
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: me over text, and Doug said he wasn't trying to

510
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: be mean, it's just his text messages sometimes seemed mean,

511
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: and he says he wished he He said he needs

512
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: to be better about moderating his tone on text messages. Help. Yeah,

513
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: but I refuse to use emojis. There's no way in

514
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: the world. Didn't you say thumbs up? Was like he

515
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 1: didn't carry your piste off Like I tried the thumbs

516
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: up one time and felt so bad I could barely

517
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: sleep that night. I will not. I don't when I text,

518
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't use abbreviations. I spelled everything out. I punctuate

519
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: everything basically. If you imagine, my texts are the opposite

520
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: of Trump's tweets. I don't like everything is like perfect

521
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: in my text mess I try to make it perfectly

522
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: my text messages. I don't use emojis, but when I

523
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: get him. But my daughter knows I hate emojis, so

524
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: she'll now and then get on her mom's phone and

525
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: just send me like five page streams of of emojis. Um,

526
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: you gotta, I mean, let me tell you go ahead.

527
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: No like voice you seem like the type of guy

528
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: that do voice messages, busy guy. Do that? Aith that

529
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: because I'm afraid there'd be a type of in it. No, no, no,

530
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: but like straight straight voice like not even not even

531
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: voice the tax just like voice memos. No, I don't

532
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: do this, do that? No, you know what's funny about Um,

533
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: here's another story about that. Okay, put this one on hold.

534
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: About Doug, I'm gonna tell another Dog story. We laughed

535
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: for like two years about this because Doug was doing

536
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: there's some argument with Doug drn, I can't remember what

537
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: it was. And Dog was doing like talking into the text,

538
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: and Doug was trying to settle a disagreement with someone,

539
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: saying that he would arm wrestle them for it. But

540
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: the way his voicing put down is that he was

541
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna farm wrestle them for it. And we had a

542
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: lot laughs about what exactly farm wrestling. Dog and Mom

543
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: like what farm wrestling means, and we came up with

544
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of definitions about what a

545
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: farm wrestling match might look like. For Doug like, never

546
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: go to dogs for farm wrestling. Um. There's an app, folks,

547
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: folks you know about this. It's called Our Family Okay,

548
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: our Family Wizard Communication app. A guy wrote in, I

549
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: deal with this problem of tonality and text messages. I

550
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: deal with this problem all the time in the context

551
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: of parents who can't seem to communicate nicely with one another.

552
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: This is divorced parents in dealing about their kids, so

553
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: divorced parents taking care of kids. I deal with this

554
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: problem all the time in the context of parents who

555
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: can't seem to communicate nicely with one another, and the

556
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: court will often have them use the Our Family Wizard

557
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: communication app with the tone meter feature turned on Our

558
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Family Wizard dot com slash Knowledge, Dash Center, Slash tips,

559
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Dash Tricks, slash Parents, Dash Website, slash tone meter. It'll

560
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: be in the notes. You got that written now, and

561
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: you can get that out analyze your tone with tone meter.

562
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: They make suggestions about how to make it seem nicer.

563
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Watch this transition correction about gunshot wounds and tampons. Okay,

564
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about we covered pretty heavily. Uh. People writing

565
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: in about plugging up gunshot wounds of tampons. Apparently in

566
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: the medical community this is frowned upon first responders. Military

567
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: people are implored not to do this. This fellaw that

568
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: rolled in goes. It is worrying that more people are

569
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 1: talking about the improper in this case use of a

570
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: tampon to control massive bleeding. It can be both dangerous

571
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: due to debris for getting to breas further into the wounds,

572
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: but in a prehospital environment it could be fatal. Tampons

573
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: are not sterile? How is that true? Tampons are not sterile?

574
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: In an article in the Emergency Medicine Journal highlights that

575
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to life threatening bleeding, a tampon cannot

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00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: provide the surface area or the pressure required to control

577
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: massive bleeding. Tampons absorbed blood, they do not provide any

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00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: hemostatic assistance. The average tampon can absorb nine million leaders

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00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: of blood or about two teaspoons. Life threatening bleeding occurs

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00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: when there is a greater than fifteen hundred million leaders

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00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: of blood. Once it absorbs its max, wouldn't it just

582
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: still keep that whole plug now? Apparently not so. Just

583
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: a tourniquet or hemostatic dressing is preferred to control massive bleeding.

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00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Regular as maybe used, but it needs to be in

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00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: sufficient amount. The American College of Surgeons and Stop the

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Bleed Program recommends when you do not have hemostatic dressing,

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00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: sterile dressings, or a tourniquet us clothing to pack a

588
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: wound shirt pants, even if it's covered in body sweat.

589
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: It's more likely to provide a hemorrhage control than a tampon. Huh.

590
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: What brought this up is we're decorating the family Christmas

591
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: tree this year and our kids were asking about these

592
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: little snowman ornaments that my wife had and they were

593
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: like wondering what it was. And I had never seen

594
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: them before, but they're like little snowman's made out of

595
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: tampons as a Christmas ornament. And then somehow it came up. Yeah, huh.

596
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: My uncle one time at a boat ramp slices leg

597
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: real bad on the hitch and walking around the back

598
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: of the truck. It's deadly to walk around the back

599
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: of a truck. MAXI path on the cut and still

600
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: went fishing. But yeah, he's still living. Put that whoever

601
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: wrote in put that in your pipe and smoke it.

602
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Chester's uncles live. And well, do we need to get

603
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: to the root. Though, where did he get the maxipad from?

604
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: Like why did he have this maxis? Where did this

605
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: come from? Like is this part of his like emergency

606
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: kit that he keeps with him, like digging around the globe,

607
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: digging around in the truck and his wife. I didn't

608
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: ask him. I'll be like Uncle Pete, let's get Uncle

609
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Pete down the show. We'll talk about about it. We'll

610
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: do the whole episode about this. A guy wrote in

611
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: see he made up this word, but he we were

612
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: talking about some of this came up on an episode

613
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: a long time ago of a guy that wrote in that,

614
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh remember those boys, Remember when Luke Combs is on

615
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: the show, and those guys were talking about some friend

616
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: of theirs that when he uses the restroom he needs

617
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: to take all his clothes off. It's just like it's

618
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: like this is a real thing. It's like a psychological disorder. Yeah,

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00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I know someone like that. Yeah. This guy came up

620
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: with a name called fiece pantaphobia. He made the word up,

621
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: but he said, it's like it's an actual thing. It's

622
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: like this like intense fear of pooping on your pants,

623
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: like contact with feces and sufferers, sufferers of which he

624
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: is one. They take, they undress, and you say, when

625
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: he's pooping out in the woods, it's like he has

626
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: still undressed. I worries about in the woods when you're

627
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: wearing bibs and heavy clothing, and it's like, but I'm

628
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: pooped back into my bibs. Has well not not yet

629
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: for me. But we had careful Dirt told the great

630
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: was the Dirt told that story. Dirt told a great

631
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: story on on the show years ago, or maybe not

632
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: a while ago, about a guy he knows that um

633
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: can he he was a heavy equipment operator and one

634
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: day he's in his equipment all day and he's smelling

635
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: like the unmistakable smell of human feces, but he can't

636
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: figure out the source, and he's checking his clothes and

637
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: nothing makes sense, and eventually he realizes that he had

638
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: landed one on his suspender. Oh so it had got

639
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: on his suspender right here, right, so all day when

640
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: he turned to the right, you know, but then when

641
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: he dropped down, when he'd like dropped his bridges and

642
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: everything to try to investigate what went wrong. He never

643
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: suspected that MEA's an air fresher hanging off his ear.

644
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: Uh there was a guy. Oh you'll you'll appreciate this, JA,

645
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: he wrote, I am not the only one, A good

646
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: buddy of mine. That was what the Canadian Armed Forces.

647
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: You're probably excited now, aren't you. Minnico. I had to

648
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: explain to j why Canadians lacked at l that American girl.

649
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got right into it. I felt attack.

650
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be Canadian, but yeah, I love Canadians. Man.

651
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: Every time I go up to Canada, I think North

652
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: the Colin's are isest. Canadians. Don't get any ideas about

653
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: invading this year. I know it, like it couldn't be

654
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: nice if we could just yeah, don't go and get

655
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: don't don't get any ideas about Red Dawn in North Dakota.

656
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: UM friend of the Canadian Forces told me the story

657
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: about when they were on maneuvers that required bio security

658
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: suits to be warned for an extended period of time.

659
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: A fellow soldier I actually got this is not the

660
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: word he used, but we'll say poopy dab inside his

661
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: suit and because of the nature of the maneuvers they wereround,

662
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: had to wear that suit for twenty four hours. Brutal.

663
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: He now we'll not poop in the woods without taking

664
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: his pants off. I mean, that's understandable. That's a scarring,

665
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: scarring twenty hours. I was saying how I wanted to

666
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: go around and like you know when you're driving down

667
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: the road and they have like a silence, as like

668
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: historical marker ahead, and you pulled over and be like

669
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: at this site the first gristmill was right opened in

670
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: seventeen o sevt Um. I was saying, they should do

671
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: that where birds went extinct. But they do do that

672
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: where birds went extinct. I didn't know this. The Lost

673
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Bird Project already did it. They've erected memorials to the

674
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: heath hen Carolina Parakeet, Labrador Dock, Great oc Passenger pigeon,

675
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: the Great oc Up in your neck of the woods,

676
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: there j Up in Canada, the heath hen Um in

677
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: New England, Carolina parakeet down the floor them, the passenger

678
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: pigeon in Ohio, the Labrador dock in New York, all

679
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: these little memorials. And then they sent some pictures of

680
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: the various memorials. In they have a bronze statue of Martha,

681
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: the last passenger pigeon, at her near the aviary where

682
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: she died. It's funny how all of those are out east,

683
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: like those memorials. Yeah, it's interesting point they dot the

684
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: eastern seaboard. Maybe they don't have a travel budget. Guy

685
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: running about cooking diaphragms, So someone wrote in saying that

686
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: he's always cut the diaphragm off his big game harvest

687
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: and left it with the gut pile. But then this

688
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: is someone right in. But then you got to think,

689
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: and why not eat the muscle since it looks like

690
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: it could make a pretty decent sized meal. Well, thankfully, Um,

691
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: this guy's probably been eating diaphragm his whole life. Doesn't

692
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: know it. So oh, when you go and you get

693
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: um flank steak, skirt steak, right, skirt steak is like

694
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: skirt is diaphragm. So it's like skirt is where the

695
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: diaphragm hooks into the rib cage. So when you're getting

696
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: a deer and you go to like when you're gotting

697
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: the deer and you want to clear the diaphragm out

698
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: so you can pass everything back, and you trace the

699
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: diaphragm along the wall of the rib like that that

700
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: junction where the diaphragm kind of goes into a little

701
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: mass and muscle that seems to be like glued up

702
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: against the ribs. That skirt and hanger is like the

703
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: rear part of the diaphragm. So you've been eating that

704
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: stuff your whole life. The problem is on deer, it's

705
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: just not like big enough the mess with. But you

706
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: get up into something like a moose, you can make

707
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: you can do like legit skirt steak off moose. Kevin

708
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: Gillespie goes on to say, you should also tell him

709
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: that on larger animals, the chef, Kevin Gillespie, you should

710
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: also tell them that on larger animal such as biss

711
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: and will the bees elk, there's another muscle that sits

712
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: just below the diaphragm and helps it contract. Technically it

713
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: is the crewa of the diaphragm, but culinarily we know

714
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: it as hangar steak. And it's incredible. Now here's what

715
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I want to dig into a fair bid because this

716
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: has enormous implications. This just happened Utah. So a while

717
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: ago I hit the news the Arizona was banning trail

718
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: cams during hunting season. Okay, Montana, right now, you can't

719
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: use trail cams during hunting season that transmit a signal,

720
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: so the transmit messages. So a divided Utah Wildlife Board

721
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: voted to band trail cam for hunting. When these motion

722
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: activated devices are used to aid in the taking of game,

723
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: their uses like a sally proliferated all over place. There

724
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: are there. I've seen stuff on social media. This is

725
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: not the article I'm looking at, but just me talking,

726
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I've seen stuff on social media where guys will go

727
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: to like a water hole in the Arizona Strip and

728
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: they'll be twenty four trail cams hanging around. Um. Sometimes

729
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: they're used like this, just speaking personally, Sometimes they're used.

730
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: Is kind of like you see some strange use of

731
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: trail cans on public land to uh. I was hunting

732
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: turkeys with my kids in the area, but it was

733
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: like a pretty popular hiking trail, right and it's game

734
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: uses it, But it's through this kind of like big

735
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: landscape funnel through a little pass and a lot of

736
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: animals use it. But people use it all the time

737
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: and like eyeball level there it is, you know, and

738
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: you can't really go through the area. Like when you

739
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: go through there, you're sort of like submitting to be photographed.

740
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: It's not even like in a sort of a discrete

741
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: out the way plays. It's just like and I remember

742
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: going by it and I actually started having my kids.

743
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, go around that way. I

744
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: just don't want like, oh my, I don't want pictures

745
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: of my kids like some guy's trail cam. I don't know.

746
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's kind I gotta I got a story

747
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: that kind of ties these two together, the pooping and

748
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: the trail camps. That's great. Why didn't you do that earlier?

749
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Well I didn't. I didn't know the trail cam topic

750
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: is gonna come up. But my uncle Mark and I

751
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: that's a good explanation. We were Uncle Mark and I

752
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: were coming back from hunting and I was like, yeah,

753
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: I just gotta check this trail cam. And he'd been

754
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: hunting the same property as me. So we we park

755
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: and we walk and all said. His face just drops

756
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: and he's like, you had a trail camp set there.

757
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, well, what's the big deal. He's like,

758
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: oh I I did. Uh I did some business right

759
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: over there, right in front of the trail cam the

760
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: other day. So sure enough, trail camp pictures of him.

761
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: I think I deleted those. I had a trail cam

762
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: behind our fish shack and my body pulled the art.

763
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: I still haven't gotten the card back because his wife

764
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: was peing back there and he took the card. Um. Now,

765
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: as I covered this piece of as I talked about

766
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: this subject, I want people to know that I right now,

767
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: at this moment, like at this moment, I have a

768
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: trail came out on private land um, and I have

769
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: a trail cam out on public land that I was

770
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: fixing to go fetch but haven't gone fetched. But it's

771
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: not like a transmitting one. Okay, so I have one out.

772
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: So is this is this band just for public landtall

773
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: or is it just private and public during hunting season?

774
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Used to be used in the aid and the taking

775
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: a game, but it goes. There's some other wrinkles of

776
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: this that are really interesting. This this band applies to

777
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: cameras with internal storage memory, as well as those that

778
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: transmit images to the hunter cell phone. The prohibition does

779
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: not apply to private landowners monitoring their property and agricultural operations,

780
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: oh or municipalities participating in the urban Deer program, but

781
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: it does apply to most hunting on both private and

782
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: public land. That's pretty straightforward. I've rolled in with this.

783
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Which is very interesting is it's also banned this. Okay, again,

784
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: there's something that Arizona did and you taught it. These

785
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: are not like these are these are very conservative states, right,

786
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: these are? Uh? You know this isn't you know if

787
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: you've heard about this coming no offense, it was like

788
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 1: from New Jersey. You could picture someone being like, that's

789
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: not fair to the animals, you know, um in sort

790
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: of the wrong way. But this is like very like

791
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: an internal hunting dialogue. This is I don't think that

792
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: like I'm guessing. I'm trying to find a way to

793
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: to to express this more clearly. This isn't like in

794
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: these states. I suspect that it's not the case of

795
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: non hunting individuals screwing with hunters, like in the case

796
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: where you get like a band on bear hunting. It's

797
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: like it's not coming from hunters. It's coming from nine

798
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: hunters trying to dick with hunters. This is like an

799
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: internal hunting conversation in these states. Is my gut on this.

800
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: From what I've read about it, it's like it's in

801
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: a conversation among the hunting community. They've also and this

802
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: is really interesting. I want to dedicate these next few

803
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: sentences of Spencer new Hearth because you know, Spencer always

804
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: is such painting the ass belt stuff. Well, well, the

805
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: other day while we were loading up to while we're

806
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: getting ready to go Pike Spearing, how did you notice

807
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: me being on the phone. I was on the phone

808
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth, what was he being a painting? The

809
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: asked Belt about me, saying to him, I'm like, I

810
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: want to um do a deep dive on our website.

811
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: I want to have one of our like, like one

812
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: of our sort of investigative writers do a deep dive

813
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: about what is the future of trail came us and

814
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, probably won't be like a huge performer,

815
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: but we'll probably do a guy. He didn't talk like

816
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: that beach nut you know he's but he's he's usually

817
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: right about that kind of stuff. He's really good at.

818
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: That's not the part he's being the paying the ASPT.

819
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: I said to him also, and I already texted him

820
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: this morning about this. I said to him, also, I

821
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: think that you should probably start paying attention to thermal

822
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: night vision stuff. I think that there's gonna be a

823
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: lot of discussions about thermal night vision, and then we

824
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: went on to discuss how it's pretty fringe because it's

825
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: like hog hunters, right, and hogs are hog hunters are

826
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: killing invasive hogs, um like totally unregulated, like people are

827
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of him. So who would ever

828
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: have a complaint with that? Right? And then increasingly Kyle hunters,

829
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: it's like rewriting predator hunting thermal night vision stuff, changing everything.

830
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: And I said, but I still advise you, and he

831
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: was kind of he was kind of like dismissive of

832
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Utah has banned thermal imaging night

833
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: vision devices and I'm guessing this doesn't say but but

834
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: I know from I've heard more and more and more

835
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: and more from people who are using it to scout.

836
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, that you can go out in the

837
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: dark and get onto a herd elk in the dark

838
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: and monitor their movements through the night and be ready

839
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: for a legal light. Yeah, makes sense. And follow them right,

840
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: find them in their beds. Find you can go out,

841
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: you can find where DearS bedded, no problem. Um, so

842
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: you tab is uh thrown at in what sort of

843
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: range to those things have like how how close to

844
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: you have to be to the animal for it to

845
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: not close. We had the Uh, I've been very curious

846
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: about it, so I I got to spend some time

847
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: with UM some thermal night vision equipment. Ah, we got some.

848
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: So there's a place Ultimate night Vision and they rent

849
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: UM Thermal night Vision gere and we got something to

850
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: go out and uh hunt coyotes tonight for a couple

851
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: of nights. And it's like a big learning curve and

852
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: you're learning to use it. But I'll tell you one

853
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: of the main things about it is like it is

854
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: really interesting to see what goes on at night in

855
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: just a different way. The way animals behave and stuff

856
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: is so just different at night. It was like like

857
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like happy for the experience of going out

858
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: and witnessing what it looks like. You gotta learn it

859
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of stuff with death perception that's hard,

860
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: but I mean it was cool, man. And you know,

861
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: this is after all the big game seasons were over,

862
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: so like this sort of thing, like using it for

863
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: hunting of a big game wasn't have any implications for

864
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: us because the season was done anyways. But in Texas, no, no,

865
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: we didn't know. We used the Montana at night. Um

866
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: and just like using predator calls at night and seeing

867
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: the way it just the different attitude that things have

868
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: at night about that call. Um. But that yeah, so

869
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: they they they did that. So to craft this camera rule,

870
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: they surveyed nine thousand licensed hunters seeking data on how

871
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: people are going about it. Right, this surprised me. Of

872
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: those mugs hadn't used trail cams. Mhm uh. Only eight

873
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: percent of the mugs they interviewed. We're using transmitting cameras.

874
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't though, I'd be way hirer now. I think

875
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: that stuff is just catching on. Though, yeah, I don't know.

876
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know that like a year from now, I

877
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: think that would be totally different. You think, So it's

878
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: just catching It's just I think it's just catching on

879
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: those transmitting cameras, Like I've just had headaches with them

880
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: so many times, and it's like, I consider myself a

881
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: techie person and it's still just like, you know, you've

882
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: got a lot of people who can barely use your

883
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: cell phones, let alone try to figure out how to

884
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: link a camera. And then yeah, I think you're going

885
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: to see more and more because of the price point. Right,

886
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: the price points already dropped in half for what it

887
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: was like three or four years ago totally where it

888
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: was four or five six hundred dollars for those and

889
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: now you can get a decent one for you. That's

890
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a good point because even like with j what what

891
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: your live scope? You have a garment live scope. I

892
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: was like jealous of that, and in the back of

893
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: my head like, man, I guarantee like in a year

894
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be half the price, and a year I'll

895
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: get it for half the price and it will somehow

896
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: be better. It's gonna get there. But you're like, you're

897
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: like early, You're like an early adopter on a live scope. Yeah,

898
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: And if you're a tournament guy, it's like that's the edge.

899
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: You need to spend that little bit of extra money

900
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: to get that edge. And if Garman wants to send

901
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: these boys couple life scopes to the Walleye Tour to this,

902
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have they kicked one in for me. And

903
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: they should know that I have a lot of garment products, dude,

904
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: and I just ordered garment dive watch. I have a

905
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: garment man I got a lot of garm wrot, so

906
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: I haven't got my dive watch yet. I got an

907
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: MK one. Um tell's that talking about Oh here's the

908
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: other even I'm going like, normally, if you study journalism

909
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: in college, they'll tell you this. They'll tell you like,

910
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: when you're write an article, put the most important thing

911
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: up top, and then you work down in levels of

912
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: interest and importance. Right, so it be like, um, Seth dies, right,

913
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: and you go down and be like, oh, so that's

914
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: how Seth died. And then you go down a little

915
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: more and invention at the botmo wo be like Seth

916
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: had a dog. You know, it's sort of the article

917
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: to flow like that pretty cool dog. I'm doing the

918
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: opposite because here's the most interesting part of this to

919
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: me coming at the end. UH. They're putting an end

920
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: to the sale of data and images produced by trail cameras,

921
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: meaning there are guys like and I know some of

922
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: these guys. There are guys that are professional scouts and

923
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: they sell um their professional scouts that find animals and

924
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: sell animals to Governor's tag holders. They sell animals to outfitters,

925
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: so they'll go out and they'll find like you know,

926
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: they go out and find like a two right, they

927
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: can sell that knowledge about that animal and sell the

928
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: photos of that animal in the way points. That would

929
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: be a tough thing for them to crack down on.

930
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: One of the guys that didn't like this rule that

931
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: they interview, Um, they mentioned uh uh, he had a

932
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: hard time with enforcement because you're saying like, okay, on

933
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: private land, you can use it to monitor your property. Okay.

934
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: So this guy is like, big Buck can't look at that.

935
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let that change my hunt plans. Yeah, yeah,

936
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: that's gonna be tough. Um. Just yr day, I uh

937
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: ext of the body mine because we're trying to plan

938
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: out next year's Bobcat trip and I texted a body

939
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: mine that he said, you got any what's going on

940
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: with bobcats up in your neck of the woods? Right?

941
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: What's he sent me two seconds later? True camp picture

942
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: of a Bobcat And that probably influenced my decision making

943
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: at that point where I was like, oh, who tell

944
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: me more? Right, not able to sell that stuff if

945
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: you're a professional scout scouter, which it kind of makes

946
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: sense in a way. Fair chase get that little clap.

947
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: I did go find it yourself. Yeah. I like that.

948
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means. Man felt like transition. Yeah,

949
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: I just felt like a needed to put a clap

950
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: in there. He was like a book end. Yeah, that's

951
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: what it meant to be. It was like a book closing.

952
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: So let me let me you know, I did my

953
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: book closed too early. I think that I wonder if

954
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a thing because if you're sitting

955
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: at home trying to think about how technology intersects with

956
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: hunting and hunting practices, fishing practices. Um, I think there's

957
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: a great example to be found in drones. And I

958
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: was talking to this with o' beach nut the other day, Spencer. Uh,

959
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: while you guys are loading up gear and we were talking,

960
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: we were talking about the example of what happened with drones. Okay,

961
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: the minute drones became like the minute there was a

962
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: discussion about using drones for hunting, like overnight, thirteen states

963
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: and in a bunch more fouled. But immediately thirteen states

964
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: in the West, like open country states where drones will

965
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: be particularly helpful because they're open ground. Thirteen states came

966
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: in and said no, no drones and hunting, no use

967
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: of drones and hunting, and I was like, it was

968
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: interesting that they got on it so fast because they

969
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: did it before there was a user group, before it

970
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: had become woven into the hunting culture. And Spencer brought

971
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: up he said, but drones went from zero to sixty

972
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: because like the initial the first initial thing that was

973
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: good for was it was good for mounting a camera.

974
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: That's like what made them what they were. Like if

975
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: you couldn't mount a camera at them, it's a toy helicopter,

976
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: like no one cares. So He's like, it went from

977
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: zero to sixty and you could immediately see it. He goes,

978
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: if you go back in trail camp history, was like

979
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: a thing could like initially a thing could like tell

980
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: you that something passed by, right, and it evolved and

981
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: you and you built up this user group of people,

982
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: You built up a big industry for it. There's a

983
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of companies that make trail cams. People have been

984
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: using trail camps for a decade or more, right, but

985
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: then trail camps hit to this certain level of sophistication

986
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: and this certain price point, whereas now it's like very

987
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: achievable to get a camera that sends you messages that

988
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: says like right now, right now, there's a buck in

989
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: that field to your phone, and so for now for

990
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: state game agencies to want to go like, man, it's

991
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: kind of getting ridiculous. Now we gotta let clamp down

992
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: on this. You're gonna be battling against people who this

993
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: is like woven into their cultural fabric of hunting. Well,

994
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: and there's more. It's just gonna be harder. And drones

995
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: were like they got drones before drones were a thing. Yeah,

996
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: well there's more gray area with the trail camps. Like

997
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: you said, the landowners, a drone is like if you

998
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: put a flying object in the sky with a camera,

999
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: it's like that's a no go. But the the trail

1000
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: camp thing is a little more touchy. Like a lot

1001
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: of provinces will say you can't even have your drone

1002
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: along when you're hunting, like if it's and that for

1003
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: me that stuff because I'm always filming stuff. But like

1004
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: even from a non hunting standpoint, if you just you

1005
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: just can't have the drone in your vehicle, like that's

1006
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: a no go. A lot of states you can't. You

1007
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: can't be like like say I I'm chat and I

1008
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: are hunting a property and I see a buck heading

1009
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: his way, I can't text him be like hey jet,

1010
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: big buck coming, like be ready. But you know you

1011
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: can have in the stag. You're gonna have a trail

1012
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: camera that's on a trail a couple of hundred yards

1013
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: from you and get a picture, uh picture sent to

1014
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: your phone of a buck walking past that trail camera

1015
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: heading in your diction. Same thing. It's the same damn thing.

1016
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: You know what? What else Spencer annoyed me about when

1017
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about doing like a big

1018
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: thing like sort of the pros the cons get a

1019
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: bunch of perspectives on like where trail cams are headed.

1020
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I was saying to him, Um, I don't want to

1021
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't want you guys all. He's the guy I'm

1022
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk about. It's been on the show, but I'm

1023
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: not gonna say who is. There's there's a guy I

1024
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: know that manages a large property. He's been on the show. Um,

1025
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: I'll let him talk with us, but I want to

1026
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: talk about it for him and name him anyway, he said,

1027
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: and he's in a state where there's no prohibitions on

1028
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: trail cams whatsoever. He this year for the first time

1029
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: ever during hunting season turned him all off. He said

1030
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: it was just changing the game so much and getting

1031
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: too weird. Yeah, that he knew where everything because he's

1032
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: got twenty some of you know, out and wonderer and

1033
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: he's a he's a property manager on a hunting property,

1034
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: and it just got to be where like it just

1035
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: rewrote everything. One's coming down the field edge right now. Well,

1036
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of just like the Liveshop got the message.

1037
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: It's just like lavescope, you see the fish coming. They

1038
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: can't hide anymore. It's like so he voluntarily turned his

1039
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: he voluntarily turned his off, and he said it was nice.

1040
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: He was like he was glad that he didn't and

1041
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: wanted into want like sort of change in the hunt

1042
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: and season and uh so anyway, Spencer's like, yeah, well

1043
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of an anomaly and that doesn't matter. I'm like,

1044
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to if you were a journalist,

1045
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to write about murder, because murders

1046
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: an anomaly, you know what I mean. He wouldn't be

1047
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: able to be like so and so brutally murdered someone

1048
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: because that's weird. By his logic. Yeah, you see what

1049
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Why it was why Spencer was so annoyingly

1050
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: there with all this crazy technology. Oh sorry, I was

1051
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: going to do the bookend again. Go ahead, Chester. With

1052
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: all this crazy technology, it just makes me think that

1053
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: people just have to be as responsible as they can

1054
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: with it. And obviously, you know, like with live scope

1055
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: for instance, being able to target a school of crop

1056
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: e is way better than you used to once people

1057
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: actually really figure out how to use it, not just

1058
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: going out there and like just limiting and keeping their

1059
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: limits all the time, you know, um, just being responsible

1060
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: with it. Well, there's like a I call it a

1061
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: wives tale, but we say back home that if you

1062
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: if you laid out a percent of the fish that

1063
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: are caught, right, a hundred percent of those fish are

1064
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: caught by less of those anglers, right because of skill,

1065
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: because of ability, because of mobility, things like that. Electronics

1066
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: are changing that that percentage, like you're saying, is definitely

1067
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: going to go up because it's no longer about just

1068
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: knowing patterns or having the right baits or you know,

1069
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: the boat take get there. Those electronics take the guess work.

1070
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: The guests were completely out of it, Like map chips.

1071
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: When you can go to a lake you've never been

1072
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: to before and you have one foot contours. I remember,

1073
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: like ten years ago official with my buddy and he

1074
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: would have like pictures and we triangulate it and it

1075
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it felt so archaic. And now

1076
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: there's just you roll up to a lake and you

1077
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: can have where all the old roadbeds are and weed

1078
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: lines and everything. M hmm. Yeah, here's the final thing

1079
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about it. They're I'm gonna do the

1080
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: book end thing again. Um, we'll all do that the

1081
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: count of three. If everyone w everybody's good. But I

1082
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: think that, uh, like I've explained, I've tried to explain it.

1083
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: Perspective on this a handful of times where when looking

1084
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: at like practices, hunting practices, I tend to I tend

1085
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: to take their approach were like historical use patterns. Okay,

1086
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: like historical use cultural practices like that stuff needs to

1087
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: be honored and respected if it's something that's if it's

1088
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: a sustainable practice and people have been doing it a

1089
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: long time, like I'd honor that. So if you're in

1090
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: a state where people have run black bears, a hunted

1091
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: black bears with hounds and they've been doing it and

1092
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: they have a stable bear population and they've been at

1093
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: it for two hundred years. Um. To me, that's like

1094
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: that's in, that's grandfathered in. Like, don't mess with that, right,

1095
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a cultural practice. I think

1096
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: that like as you get into the technology stuff, UM,

1097
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna continue, You're gonna have to continue to have

1098
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: conversations about Um. I think it's fair game to have

1099
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: conversations about incoming technology. I'd rather do that than go

1100
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: and revisit cultural practices and try to like get rid

1101
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And you got and I think that

1102
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: you got. If you're if you're a manager, I think

1103
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: you gotta look like out in the horizon and you

1104
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: gotta see what's coming and if and if you think

1105
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: something's gonna become problem bag down the road, I would

1106
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: suggest that you get on a little early before it

1107
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: becomes woven into the into the cultural fabrica you know,

1108
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: in the hunting community. And it's gonna be hard if

1109
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: you came in now and said, you know what, after

1110
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: careful consideration, I think that the compound bow is just

1111
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: too effective. Right, good luck, right, good luck, but you

1112
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: could honestly have had that chat they're trying there. There's

1113
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: talks about live bait getting cut out of Manitoba, and

1114
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: that's something it's like, well, these people have been using

1115
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: live bait for however many years. It's been grandfathered in,

1116
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: so it's a it's a tough discussion. Yeah, if you're

1117
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: getting rid of live bait to make room for live

1118
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: scopers to catch more fish, that's a real problem for me.

1119
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: It's a real problem for me. The crossbow things another

1120
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: big issue, all right, one two? Right, Okay, everybody's don't

1121
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: talk about Mandy. Can you do me the favorite laying

1122
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: out like where we are and what's going on, and

1123
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: about how everything is underwater ship like that, take it away. Uh,

1124
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: because you grew up in this neck of the wood,

1125
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: so you got like an inside your you have land.

1126
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: It's currently Uh, people are prye fishing on your land

1127
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: right now. They are They actually are that that that

1128
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: is for sure. Uh. Most people would call it BF.

1129
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: But we are in the beautiful state of North Dakota.

1130
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: We're in the Devil's Lake area currently, we are on

1131
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: the far far west end over in the Midwakan area.

1132
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: And our cozy shock chet here double wide. Uh. Yeah,

1133
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: it's just a really small community that's that's grown a

1134
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: little bit with the oil booms out for a little

1135
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: bit further out west. But it's a fishing community. It's

1136
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: a fishing farming community. Um. Yeah, and you're talking about

1137
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: about the lake growing. Uh, it's blown up. Obviously, it's

1138
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: been a big deal. It's been going on now. It's

1139
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: hard to say that it's been going on for a

1140
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: couple of decades. I really the water eyes correct. So, um,

1141
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: the lake actually for like the the eight most of

1142
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: the eighties, we were kind of in a drought pattern here. Um.

1143
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: The interesting part two is when we're in a drought

1144
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: pattern and the waters were exceptionally low, like there was

1145
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: really high mercury levels here in the water. Uh, the

1146
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: salinity levels were really high. Like there was actually like

1147
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: warnings out for the amount of fish and that you

1148
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: could eat based on those things. Um. So yeah, we

1149
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: had some historic snow events. We got back to regular

1150
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: rain patterns, snow patterns. We had a five hundred year event,

1151
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: a hundred year events, and then regular more regular rain events.

1152
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: And I think it's like a million acres plus now.

1153
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: But it's so odd to see that. Uh roads are gone,

1154
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: houses are gone, farms are gone, tree lines are gone

1155
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: on uh roads have been built up fifty six ft

1156
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: in some areas to make them still passable. Other ones

1157
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: they've just completely abandoned. UM. It's yeah, And tell about

1158
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: tell about the place you grew up on, just just

1159
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: as an example. So where I grew up on over

1160
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,919
Speaker 1: on Black Tiger Bay, which actually used to be the

1161
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: farthest east portion of Double's Lake. UM, where we actually

1162
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: fish to day one was actually not connected point to

1163
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: where your place would have been. Correct. Uh. Yeah. The

1164
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: water just started started rising and actually rose fairly quick

1165
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: the first couple of years to the to the point

1166
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: where UM accesses had to be moved. People lost homes,

1167
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: you could move cabins, things like that, and it just

1168
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: swallowed it up. Like if you couldn't if you couldn't

1169
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: physically move that structure, it's gone. Were they gutting those

1170
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: houses of UM like like hauling away propane, hauling away

1171
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: like stuff they didn't want to get in the water,

1172
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: or was it happening too fast? That's a really good question.

1173
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: Like where we were at, you jumped on it as

1174
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: fast as you could, but there was still so you

1175
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: had to pick and choose, right, like the structures that

1176
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: you could possibly change, and they're just we're remote here

1177
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: and you can only move so much. Um. Realistically, we

1178
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: gave like we gave trailers away. We just sent it

1179
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: out there and just said come get them because we're

1180
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: going to lose them, right, Like, we didn't have the

1181
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: money to pay all that to have them moved, but

1182
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: we didn't want them to go to waste, and we

1183
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: definitely didn't want them to be underwater, right, so just

1184
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: come get these structures. They're yours. But it's weird to

1185
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: say that there's where we're at. There's a mile and

1186
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: a half underwater. It's underwater, like it's gone under under

1187
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: like under sixty under sixty vertical feet of water. But

1188
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 1: you have to go a mile and a half out

1189
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: from the shoreline. Yes, yes, so how fast did the

1190
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: water ry? Um? We had a bunch of issues. And

1191
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: Jay can actually chime in on this too, Like the

1192
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: big trigger point it was like in the nineties. Um,

1193
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 1: actually kind of like in the in the late nineties, Um,

1194
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: we had bad, bad flooding. You know, a ton of

1195
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: snow spring melt off all these things. It was like

1196
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: the perfect storm of everything to to happen, and that

1197
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: initial jump was crazy, uh, to the point where they

1198
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: couldn't get caught up. And if you notice the road

1199
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: structure around here, like we drove over a couple of

1200
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: those bridges, like those are gone right, so to drive

1201
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: all the way around like sixty seventy eight miles because

1202
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: you can't drive across you know, cut across um. And

1203
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: then it just continued to go. It just continued until

1204
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 1: we're out where we're at right now. Like the bowl

1205
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: is full. Yeah, that's that's another thing that Um, this

1206
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: is like a dead end basin. So normally you think

1207
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: of like flooding in a river valley. It's just that

1208
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: the river valley can't drain it fast enough. But you know,

1209
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: floods go away pretty quick. But here you're flooding an

1210
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: area that the outflow is. It's very high up, so

1211
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: you could it could hold all this water for such

1212
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: a long period of time. Well, it's still flat here

1213
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: like this is we're talking about this yesterday, the catchment

1214
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: area for so much like yeah, when it all the

1215
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: water just collects here, it's yeah, it brings a wide

1216
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: and it's it eventually is gonna eventually drains out in

1217
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: which direction when it leaves here? Well currently, and I

1218
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, I should have double checked. But historically, um,

1219
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: they have been draining one to two inches off every month,

1220
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: and they've been draining it into the Cheyenne River very

1221
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: very controlled. A couple of big pump houses, correct, like

1222
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: on Minna walk inside here and then one on the

1223
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: west side. Right, correct, there's a few of them. And

1224
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: the reason why they have to go into there, we

1225
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: would make more sense right to go into the Red River.

1226
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: The problem is as the Red River flows north, that

1227
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: flows into Canada. We don't want your water. I thought that,

1228
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: I thought the man I feel big Walwyes, that's true.

1229
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: She's the biologist. She could probably speak more to that.

1230
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: It is actually feel like you just got you guys

1231
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: feel up in Canada and you're gonna speak for the

1232
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: whole nation. You guys feel like you're just good on water. Yeah,

1233
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: we're set. Where's we got we got that freshwater? Trust me,

1234
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: we send them enough every spring that causes flooding for

1235
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: them too, so because we melt here obviously before they do,

1236
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: and that water is all running north and they haven't

1237
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: thought yet. So like the Winnipeg area all along there,

1238
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: it floods pretty bad. It's a it's a serious thing

1239
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: talking about good American water here, j we'll pass, we'll pass.

1240
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: I'll start drinking that water. You'll get a lot more

1241
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: girl up in that country and more aggression. So this,

1242
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: this water does make it to Canada though, right, is

1243
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: what like Cheyenne nor flowing north? Yeah, I don't know

1244
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,879
Speaker 1: what you're pointing. Well, I'm just saying Devil's like naturally

1245
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: overflows into the Cheyenne River. The Shinen River is a

1246
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: tributary of the Red River of the North, which flows

1247
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: into Canada. I'm not familiar with the Chyenne, so I

1248
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: mean if it goes into the Red then yeah, it

1249
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: comes into Canada, but very slowly. Then I want to

1250
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: go and direct the Red River is still doing good? Well, well,

1251
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: research is to find out. But uh, back to your place,

1252
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: can you explain the property tax? Thinks that's really interesting

1253
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: to me. For a while you had to pay taxes

1254
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 1: on land it was underwater. Correct. If you think about

1255
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: the farms, you know, my heart bleeds for for that. That.

1256
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: That's what my family does is farms too. And uh,

1257
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of acres underwater. We're talking

1258
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: real crop and cattle things like that. Uh, And because

1259
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: you owned it, you still had to pay property tax

1260
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: on it. Even though people are driving over in boats,

1261
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: it's underwater. So they actually had to cope. And like

1262
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: I said, because that water ROAs so fast and they

1263
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: were trying to deal with FEMA and I mean all

1264
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 1: the other disaster federal things like that, it kind of

1265
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: got lost in the mix per se, right because it

1266
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: has to go through the legislature and all that. So, yeah,

1267
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: it took them a while for them to repeal that law.

1268
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: So now you don't have to pay tax, but you

1269
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,440
Speaker 1: still own that land. So if the water ever magically

1270
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: recedes like back down to you know the ladies eighties,

1271
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: early nineties level, like, there's gonna be a whole lot

1272
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: of property out there. You know, we we covered it's

1273
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: the same. I think it's the same weather events in

1274
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: an area in South Dakota. And I don't know if

1275
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: you've had a similar problem up here, but in South

1276
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: Dakota there were there's a lot of controversy where with

1277
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: the rising water inundating farmland and residential properties. Um even

1278
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: though taxes were suspended on the submerged water, there were

1279
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: people going in and running booey markers along their property

1280
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: lines to keep anglers and hunters out, but then having

1281
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: what everybody's said like private parts of the lake. So

1282
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: you're so you would buoy off your farm with booie

1283
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: strings and uh, just have it be like you can

1284
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: fish it. But then people are like, but it's it's

1285
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: the fish of the you know, from state stocking program.

1286
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: And this was going on at the time, and he said,

1287
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: like naturally, the way that everybody thinks is then people

1288
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 1: would go and all line up along the booey fence

1289
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: because like it's got to be better over there, so

1290
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: they'd go fish along that edge, you know, thinking death

1291
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: where all the fish were hiding is around the private property,

1292
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: which is like a like like a very much like

1293
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: a hunting thing, you know. Um, and people were hashing

1294
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: at out. Was that the thing that was that? That?

1295
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: Were you seeing that up where people were like fencing

1296
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: off with booty markers what would have been their lot? No, No,

1297
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: this is way too big of big of waters. But

1298
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: that whole South Dakota gig is really interesting too, because

1299
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: I kind of happened around the same time. I feel

1300
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,560
Speaker 1: like a little bit sooner um a wall based specifically

1301
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: that that comes to mind right away. There's literally a

1302
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: few accesses where the silos of the farms, that's all

1303
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: that's sticking out of the top of the water rights,

1304
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: Like that's the structure in the in in wabe is

1305
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: those old farmsteads. But the crazy part, which you used

1306
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: should do a little bit of research on, they started

1307
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: like putting in these public accesses right which then they

1308
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: then repealed later, which has been really been a big

1309
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: controversy there. So there it was already a pothole, like

1310
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: littered with potholes, but obviously rising waters things spill over. Yeah,

1311
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: like private land becomes now public waters. It's a big

1312
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: controversy there. Uh, and it just kind of keeps going.

1313
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: But they kind of gave us like a pre shot

1314
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: highlight of what was going to happen, almost but this

1315
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: happened on a bigger scale. Do you ever take um,

1316
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: do you ever take a boat and go cruise around

1317
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: on like what like over your property? No? I I haven't.

1318
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: Actually I think would be really really interesting, uh to

1319
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: go see and look at what's what's there and how

1320
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: deep it is, Oh yeah, to go down there with

1321
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: some dive gear. It's it's hard look for your old stuff. Yeah,

1322
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: it's it's heartbreaking, right, like this is where I where

1323
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: I grew up. This is where this love and this

1324
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: passion and my best memories of my dad and my

1325
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: family are at and you make new but it would

1326
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: be it's hard. So did did the fishing? As soon

1327
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: as the water got up? Was the fishing just like

1328
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 1: instantly that much better than before, Like with all that

1329
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: extra within a year or two weeks, you got all

1330
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: that extra structure, you got all that extra cover. You've

1331
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: got way more water. Like it had to have allowed

1332
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: it had to makee fish stocks just explode. Man, imagine

1333
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: just how much and how much nutrients because when I

1334
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: in the nineties, I just heard about devils all the time.

1335
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that would be considered the peak

1336
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: of the fishery, like, but yeah, I would say, yeah,

1337
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: And that was a weird Part two, Like I can

1338
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: remember the worst lge blooms, like I mean split green

1339
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: pea soup discussing the whole entire lake in the old days, right,

1340
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: and maybe on some small bays now, but you just

1341
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: don't have that right, you know. I think there was

1342
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of concern to when we had all this

1343
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: overland flooding um because of the residual chemicals right coming

1344
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: off crop lands, coming coming from the structures that have

1345
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: been flooded. What was going to happen right, what was

1346
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: going to happen with that water quality? Was? I mean,

1347
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: we're we gonna kill fish where we gonna have some

1348
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: catastrophic events here based on the facilities that have been

1349
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: swallowed up whole wide. What's the sort of local um

1350
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: temperature on this thing? Now? Are there people who are like,

1351
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: I like it just the way it is now? I

1352
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,879
Speaker 1: can't speak for that. I think it's conflicting because the farmers,

1353
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, fisherman, I'm sure we're happy when that was.

1354
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be like the got a

1355
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: lot of people who just like the fish and they're

1356
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: like not perfect. And there's a lot of people who

1357
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,440
Speaker 1: just like the farm and they're like this ain't acceptable.

1358
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: I chatted with some folks in this area about that,

1359
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I think it's like twenty five million dollars

1360
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: fishing ranks, you know, to this economy that was like

1361
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: back in two thousand five, or whatever. So it's got

1362
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: to be maybe greater now or whatnot. But it's probably

1363
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: farmers are really wanting their land back, and obviously the

1364
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: fishermen really want to keep it. I wonder what the

1365
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,520
Speaker 1: value of those farms would be if it be considerable

1366
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 1: to the twenty five million or I don't know. I

1367
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,879
Speaker 1: don't know what a farm is worth, Like the agricultural output,

1368
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: the agriculture I'll put off all that land would have

1369
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: to dwarf the Fishing Act dollars with a fishing activity.

1370
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know either. But um, but yeah, I was

1371
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,879
Speaker 1: I've been reading just right now on this pumping water stuff,

1372
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: and it is in two thousand five, they just began

1373
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: pumping water into the Cheyenne River, which then drains into

1374
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: the Red River, which flows into Manitoba and Lake Winnipeg

1375
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: and it goes into the ocean eventually. And they were

1376
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: they were worried about, you know, back then, about the

1377
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: salt levels and stuff that we're in here contaminating like

1378
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: Lake Winnipeg and whatnot. But there are four pumps put

1379
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: in the area to be able to do that, in

1380
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: canals and drainage pipes, um or channels and drainage pipes?

1381
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: What a project? What did I say? Uh? What is

1382
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: the what is the goal is the gold? Like? What year?

1383
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: This has gotta be? Something people debate too, What years

1384
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: regarded as normal? If normal happened to be, if normal

1385
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: happened to be, Like if we sort of set our

1386
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: expectations are normal during a major drought cycle? Like what

1387
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: is normal? Well, I don't know. The one map chip

1388
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: that my buddy had for the area, like the navyonics

1389
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: whatever it was, they say, the one that shows a

1390
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: lot of the earlier outline is was it was a

1391
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: big date because that that's what we were fishing was

1392
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: probably dbed. So it's twenty two of water um where

1393
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: where we were fishing yesterday, and that was the old

1394
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: road right ut red with all that rebel. So that's

1395
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: the date that's stuck in my head from talking to

1396
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna pump it back to normal, you're

1397
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: gonna be pumping off two ft of water off of

1398
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty, Devil's Lake was nearly dry, and in

1399
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: June of two thousand eleven, the lake reached a modern

1400
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: day record high something going down since then. In June

1401
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven would I mean, I, yeah, I

1402
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, it's been going down obviously m hm,

1403
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: can't going down very much literally, like so we have

1404
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: all the fluctuations right like this like can fluctuate eight

1405
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: nine fear no problem, right, that's not a big deal.

1406
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: That's not based on a major drought. That's just because

1407
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: of so much supers area things like that. Um. But

1408
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: it was just a couple of years ago after my

1409
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 1: dad passed. I came back out obviously to the cabins.

1410
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to see the property, make sure everything's good,

1411
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: talk to the to our neighbors. And I was nervous

1412
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: this is a later property, correct, So we we were

1413
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: we moved right, like, we moved significantly back, um. And

1414
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: I remember pulling in and like the water was right there,

1415
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: like it's it was like twenty two ft. We got

1416
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: out like the you know tape measure from the back

1417
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: door of the cabin to the water, and I was like,

1418
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like what do I do? Like this

1419
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: was not this close? You know? Do we have to

1420
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: move this stuff again? Like really like freaking out. And

1421
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: so the we'll see one of the accesses. I won't

1422
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: say exactly which one because they'll know where where the

1423
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: properties are at. But this access has been moved seven times,

1424
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: is l seven times it's been moved on our property,

1425
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: but like basically evident domain, you know. So I've seen

1426
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: him move back as the water comes up where it's

1427
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: nice landing, do you know. But it's like, now we've

1428
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: got that right there, and I'm like, Okay, what do

1429
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: they know what's going to happen or should we just

1430
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: pull the stuff now or is it actually going to go,

1431
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, go back down. So they were showing us

1432
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure it happens around here, but in in South Dakota,

1433
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: they were showing us these like well they think are

1434
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: like dream boat launches, which is where highways go underwater.

1435
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: And they're like, no matter how high the water gets

1436
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: or how low it gets, you still like backing down

1437
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: a highway like very nice boat launches. It there's asphalt

1438
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: boat launch geological evidence that the lakes have overflowed into

1439
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: the Shine River and dried up completely on several occasions

1440
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:11,560
Speaker 1: over the past ten thousand years. I wonder how, I

1441
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: wonder how it's like having a little dug during here. Man,

1442
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: he's just not fighting with you. He doesn't fight you,

1443
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: but he checks everything out. I wonder how high the

1444
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: water asked the peak to two flow out of the basin.

1445
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: It's probably uh right around like how much higher than

1446
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: right now? Elevation of one thousand, four hundred and fifty

1447
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: four point three ft is when it'll start. It's like

1448
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: record high in modern day. So is that all right? Chester? Sure? Okay,

1449
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: Here's here's something I want to do because the top

1450
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: about what we've been up to. I want to juxtapose, um.

1451
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: I want to juxtapose live scope fishing with pike spearing

1452
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: because I think these are uh right like like if

1453
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: you imagine um, uh like, imagine that you stretch your

1454
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: arms out as wide as you can stretch them, Okay,

1455
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: and that constitutes the spectrum of ice fishing activities out

1456
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: at your whatever tip your right fingertip is ah No,

1457
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: it's a timeline that advances from SESS perspective. Let me see,

1458
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: from SESS perspective, my right fingertip would be spearing northerns

1459
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: and my left fingertip would be live scope and fish

1460
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: through the ice. So what do you want to start with?

1461
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm asking you this, Jay uh Well, spearing, let's talk

1462
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: about Sparing. I'll handle this one all right. Spearing, in

1463
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 1: my mind is true ice fishing, pure, true ice fishing.

1464
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: Can you agree with that or not? What what do

1465
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: you mean by that? It just feels like a long

1466
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: time ago when you're spearing northerns now with ja sweet

1467
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: camera set up. But we weren't. If we were, we

1468
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: weren't gaining anything with jay sweet camera set up. He

1469
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: might have been attracted to my camera. We don't know

1470
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: if he came into the camera. He just that he

1471
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: didn't eat the camera. I can't wait. Do you think

1472
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 1: I could? Can I put that up on social media?

1473
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: You don't care y post it? I'll credit you. Can

1474
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you get me a better version of it? Yeah? So

1475
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: we had a sweet camera set up, but it had

1476
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: nothing new with us. It wasn't even it wasn't in

1477
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 1: the dark house. It was just recording and it was

1478
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: cool to look at it later. Spearing goes like this

1479
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of people already know. I'm gonna tell

1480
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: you anyway, Um, you are drill a hole of staggering

1481
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: proportions through the ice, Mandy. Mandy said she's been around

1482
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of ice fishing activity. She has never seen

1483
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: a spear hold as big as the one we made,

1484
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: and I blame but Mandy has a giant augur, and

1485
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I normally think in my head like I'm gonna go

1486
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: five augurs wide and three aggers deep. And that's what

1487
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: I did, except yeah, and she fell in. She would

1488
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: need to hit the sides. She could have fell in

1489
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: horizontal and not hit the sides. So uh yeah, So

1490
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: you like it used to be hard to make a

1491
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: spear hole, but it's like with good augers, it's pretty

1492
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: easy make a spear hole. You just make a bunch

1493
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: of holes and you kind of butt them right up

1494
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: to each other, and sometimes they'll overlap her, sometimes not.

1495
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 1: And you take an ice saw and connect all the holes.

1496
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 1: And you can do one of two things, depending on

1497
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: where you're at and what you're supposed to do where

1498
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: you're at um and I think it depends a little

1499
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: bit on weather. You can either take that block and

1500
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: each has its pros and cons. You can take that

1501
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: block and shove it under the ice, sink in the cake,

1502
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: that's what they call it. You can sink the cake

1503
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: or you can what you what do you call when

1504
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: you drag it up on the ice, eat the cake,

1505
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: Eat the cake. You can't eat your cake and sink

1506
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 1: it to j so uh um, pushing it down has

1507
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 1: to be the most common. Yeah, I'm trying. Is it is?

1508
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: It as like Eskimo makes the I have a bunch

1509
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: of them, the Eskimo or I know that makes the screws,

1510
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: the handle screws. So there's there's a screw you can

1511
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: use to like anchor your your fish, sandy to the

1512
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: ice or whatever you need to anchor to the ice.

1513
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: It's a screw you can just drive into the ice. Um.

1514
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: And they also make h you can also get an

1515
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Augur attachment, like I have an eye on Augur, and

1516
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you can get an attachment for driving the screws. Anyways,

1517
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: when you cut this, so when you cut this puriphrey

1518
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: of the hole out the spear hole, you have like

1519
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: a large block of ice sitting there. Um. And the

1520
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: old days they hook up the mules or whatever and

1521
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: drag it up and put in the ice house packet

1522
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: with sawdust. Then you have ice all summer long. But

1523
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing. Um. To pull the block out,

1524
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: like my friends in Alaska, pull the block out and

1525
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: they'll drive the they'll drive the handles, the ice crews

1526
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: into the block and then you get then you push

1527
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: down on it like you know when you go to

1528
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: pull someone into a boat who's wearing a life jacket.

1529
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: How you go like down then up and you get

1530
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the buoyancy to help you get a little inertia. So

1531
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: you get a couple of those handles there and you

1532
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: push down and you got one. You drag it up

1533
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: on the ice. The problem is the really cold weather,

1534
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: that block just freezes. It welds itself to the ice

1535
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: and that's not something you want to hit with your Well,

1536
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: there was a guy that got killed. He was the

1537
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: guy was racing across the lake on the snow and

1538
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: bill and hit a block ice and someone that dragged

1539
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: out the frozen to kill the guy. Because the controversy

1540
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: is the lake if if you have that open hole afterwards,

1541
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: like you could potentially be open to manslaughter if someone

1542
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: goes through that hole and dies. Right, It's like, I mean,

1543
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 1: we marked our holes, but that's a pretty important thing.

1544
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: It's if you don't mark that whole in a on

1545
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: a warm day and it creates like a special thing

1546
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: is on a warm day when it's not gonna seal

1547
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 1: back up like we were on such cold weather that

1548
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't keep things open anyway if you wanted to.

1549
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: But no, I don't want to drag it on too long.

1550
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: But there's all these different things. So what they require.

1551
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Here's a good way to discuss it. North Dakota, which

1552
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: I'd like to credit the North Dkota Fishing Game Agency.

1553
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: They have very well thought ice fishing rules like fine

1554
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: tooth comb and they lay out just to tell him,

1555
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: when you drill a dark house, if you have a

1556
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: hole that's ten inches or greater, you legally have to

1557
01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 1: have a Dowell brightly colored wooden lay. I guess is

1558
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: how they have it stated or a natural object to

1559
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: mark your that hole and you have to have it

1560
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: on you at while you're fishing, while you're fishing, and

1561
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: I think it has to be clearly visible from fifty

1562
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: yards und feet? Wasn't it clearly visible from hunter? Fil

1563
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: defeat your marker? Um, so we sunk the cake. Then

1564
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: what you gotta do is you need to uh. People

1565
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: do it different ways. Like when I was a little kid,

1566
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: people used to like, so, well, you gotta put up

1567
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: your shinny and you gotta have it darkened out. So

1568
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: we use Eskimo shanties, and they got windows which are great.

1569
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: To open the window up like a plastic window. You

1570
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: can open up. Let's sunlight, and when you're regular fishing,

1571
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 1: but then you can vel grow the flaps up to

1572
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: rule all the light because you gotta have it be

1573
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: that you're in a dark structure. In fact, they call

1574
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: it dark like they'll call it in the dark house

1575
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: or dark house fishing. So you drill this big asshole,

1576
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: you sit on a seat looking into it, and when

1577
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: you're out in the daylight, you can't tell. You can't

1578
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: see into the water. But the same way you know

1579
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: when you put your hands up around your eyes and

1580
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: look down into the the water, when you put the

1581
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: shanny up and block all the light from coming in

1582
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: and shovel snow around the edge and really get it

1583
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: sealed up, it's like lit up like a TV screen.

1584
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: To see the bottom. We were young, we used to

1585
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: put people would slice potatoes. If you're fishing in pretty

1586
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: deep water, you'd slice potatoes real thin, or you'd boil

1587
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of elbow macaroni to get some white on

1588
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: the bottom so that you can see the outline of

1589
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: deep fish. We try to bed sheet once. That didn't

1590
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: work too great. I can't picture that actually get it

1591
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: to spread out properly then so they're gonna retrieve it

1592
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: back out. It was so much work and it didn't

1593
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: It didn't work. Thinking it was like you know, using

1594
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: like organic matter, like sure, remember I remember eggshells to say,

1595
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: all your eggshells, crump them up, put them down the hole,

1596
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: just to get a little something to see what's going on.

1597
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Pvc X. But people pull them out and white siding.

1598
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: Make an X in the bottom of the hole with

1599
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: white side, then you can retrieve it. You pull it up, Yeah,

1600
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: just so you catch something coming across. And I'm gonna

1601
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: say something real quick, So I said ten inches or

1602
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: greater you have to market. It's anything greater than ten

1603
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: inches has to be marked. So normal tenantogger hole you

1604
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: don't need to mark. Yes, I was wrong, that makes sense.

1605
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 1: Then so here you got this giant hole or whatever,

1606
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,919
Speaker 1: a hole, a big hole, and you got a dark structure.

1607
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 1: So you're sitting in the dark, which makes which illuminates

1608
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: the bottom, and you're looking down in there. And then

1609
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: you hang a decoy and you know you can get

1610
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: as extravagant or not decoy's range from that you would

1611
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: hang a pie plate or a beer can down in

1612
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: the hole, hanging on a string so you can jiggle

1613
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: it and create like a object of curiosity to fish. Um.

1614
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: We had a decoy um that that a guy made

1615
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: for us incentence to us where it's like it looks

1616
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: like a fish, it's got finns. It's like it's not

1617
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 1: quite neutral buoyancy. It's like slightly heavier, so it slowly

1618
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: sinks and you lift it up on a string like

1619
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: a puppet. Let the string go in its circles. It's

1620
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: real nice and shows a lot of activity sharp truce. Um.

1621
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do it as much anymore.

1622
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: I remember like people used to harness rig sockers. You

1623
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: catch a soccer and harness rig of soccer and let

1624
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: it swim around the hole to lure pike in. And

1625
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: then but we used to you know, spear white There's

1626
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: a variety thinks people spirit us spear white fish and

1627
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 1: some other stuff. Um in some lakes aout of spear walleye.

1628
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: But it's generally like a pike thing northern pike. And

1629
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: then you work that decoy. You know, you know you're

1630
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: anywhere from You could be as shallow as four ft

1631
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: of water, which is pretty shallow. You can be as

1632
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: deep as thirteen fourteen ft of water, which is pretty deep.

1633
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: But let's say you're six to eight feet of water. Um,

1634
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: you work that decoin. Just wait and wait, wait and

1635
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: wait and wait, and eventually a Northern, if you're lucky,

1636
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 1: a Northern, or many Northerns throughout the course of the

1637
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: day are gonna come creeping in and they just sneak

1638
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: up on that decoy. They like want to see what

1639
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: it is. They might strike it, they might just nudge it. Um.

1640
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: And when they do, you have a weighted spear that

1641
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: you need to hit him. It's hard, but you did it.

1642
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Things happened fast, tom Chester. Things that happened real fast.

1643
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 1: They were in different ice shack and I cut in

1644
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: a little farther from him, and we had a d

1645
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: Jay's decoy going and had I think four different occasions

1646
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: where Pike came in and three of those no, two

1647
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: of those times out of the four that Pike gave

1648
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: us no chance to really spirit. It came in from nowhere.

1649
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: I struck the decoy took off again. Was too good.

1650
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people don't put hooks on their decoys.

1651
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: It's like, if your point is getting a pike to eat,

1652
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 1: why not put hooks in the decoy because you see

1653
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: the decoy counsels the line. Anyways, Yeah, you know what

1654
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 1: was interesting is I can't remember, was it man you're

1655
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: j that made a comment about like do they grab it? Yeah,

1656
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: I asked you just before and I said no, they'll

1657
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: I said, they'll kind of like nudge it, but they

1658
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: don't like grab it grab it. Five minutes later, this

1659
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 1: pike comes in and like really like grabbed them over

1660
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: you to hook them, because I was like, no, they

1661
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: like bump it, you know, they like they tap like

1662
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of like strike it. But this thing grabbed it

1663
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 1: and sort of like rastled with it. That was cool.

1664
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: That was super. You look like an alligator trying to

1665
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: tear a chunk off something when you grabbed onto that thing. Well,

1666
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I was staring at it slowly and you were ready

1667
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: to throw, and then it went in charge mode ate

1668
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: it and then I mean you had that shot just after,

1669
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 1: but that would have been a tough shot to make. Yeah.

1670
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: I think it's um ah oh, I love it. And

1671
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: it gets into the Bard we're talking about earlier like

1672
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: sort of the cultural stuff, right, Like it's a and

1673
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of states you cannot spear fish. You

1674
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 1: cannot spear game fish, with the exception of dark house

1675
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: Northern Pike. It just a thing. That's a way people

1676
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: have targeted northerns for a long time. As much as

1677
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: you can't spear game fish or gig game fish, um

1678
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: in in northern States, it's like generally you can. This

1679
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 1: is how we've always done it. And I think that

1680
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: um in the future, if we're having a big old

1681
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: fight about the allocation of the resource, I would think

1682
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: that the live scope guys would need to ACQUI us

1683
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: to the dark house guys. That was my That was

1684
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: my segue into live scope fishing. Yeah, I mean I

1685
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I that was my first spear fishing experience and I

1686
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: was like REVVD up. You know, I didn't get one,

1687
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: but just seeing when it was cool. I mean, I

1688
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: think there's they're, just like you said, different ends of

1689
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: the spectrum. Because live scope for those of you that

1690
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with you know, can I gotta add one

1691
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 1: making I'm sorry, just to tee it up better. Uh,

1692
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,759
Speaker 1: I should point out that a lot of people would

1693
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: say it's really unfair to the fish to spear the

1694
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: fish because you're not tricking him into eating. Yeah, it's

1695
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: like some people might be like, well, what's the challenge.

1696
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: Now you're sinking a giant spear into a fish. It's

1697
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: a chance, very barbaric, and you can't release them. Nope,

1698
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's a blood it's bloodthirsty. I don't have

1699
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 1: that perspective, but I just wanted to open up that

1700
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: someone might say, Like someone might look and be like that.

1701
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: To me, that strikes me as unethical fishing because it's

1702
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: like you're you know, you haven't tricked him. He just

1703
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: passes through the hole and you jab a big spear

1704
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 1: into him. Yeah that's got hurt. I got, Yeah your's.

1705
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: Yours died pretty quickly. But I mean, yeah, it's it's

1706
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: depends on the size. Like I mean, you have a

1707
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: little more of a chance when you catch with rod

1708
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: and real tich choose if you want to release it

1709
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: or not. Obviously you have a chance to decide if

1710
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: you want to spear that fish or not. But it

1711
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: happens pretty fast. You got to make a decision and

1712
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: you might not have time to hum and hob between

1713
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: a thirty five or yeah, that's what when I was,

1714
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: when I was when I grew up in Michigan. Um,

1715
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: we're just fishing lake where just no that you don't

1716
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: have a size requirement. So but when I grew up

1717
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: in Michigan, at first, for most my life that I

1718
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: lived there, it was mostly twenty one. Northern had twenty one.

1719
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: It jumped up to twenty four. But as you can imagine,

1720
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: that's a hard call to make. It's a hard call

1721
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: to make fast, I would say, not just with when

1722
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: you have introstrictions, like it's been highly controversial at Minnesota

1723
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: where uh, certain lakes that hold muskie have been specifically

1724
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: shut down into spirits and right because the normal joe,

1725
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: even a really good anglers can to have a hard

1726
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: issue and that split second, you know, is that a

1727
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 1: pike or is that a musky? And just in the

1728
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: last few years, like malax Cast, some of these ones

1729
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: that hold really big, beautiful musky have now been reopened

1730
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: for spirit. And it's highly controversial. Yeah, and that that

1731
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 1: I imagine there's probably people to show up there that

1732
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: aren't even aware that could be a thing, you know,

1733
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: and they're like Yeah, if you didn't, if you weren't

1734
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: aware that was gonna be a thing, you wouldn't until

1735
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: you got that thing up on the ice, you start

1736
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: thinking maybe something was a little different. But yeah, it

1737
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: would be a hard call to make. Wudn't trust myself.

1738
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of pike, a lot of musks.

1739
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 1: If I'm seeing it from straight down view, yeah, it

1740
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: would be some quick thinking. There are handful of lakes

1741
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: right here in North Dakota that it's not legal to spear.

1742
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: And so the weird thing is, uh, Spirit in North

1743
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Dakota has only been open for like twenty plus years.

1744
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: The first year that they opened it was in two

1745
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, two thousand nine, and it was actually

1746
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: only open for the first two weeks in March and

1747
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,560
Speaker 1: that was it, and it was only open to residents

1748
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: two thousan nine and ten. Um, it was the first

1749
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: winter that non residents like Minnesotans could come in to

1750
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: North Dakota and and spear, and then it was open

1751
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: for like a month, right, So then fast forward, Um, no,

1752
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 1: it was twenty We're most of the state you could spear,

1753
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 1: but there still was not a statewide you know, spear

1754
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: application for that, but it's yeah, so it keeps growing

1755
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: and growing. But so they've been like tiptoeing their way

1756
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: in probably wanting to see what the EVERS is going

1757
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: to look like. Correct, So they went really above and

1758
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 1: beyond and they have like unbelievable data. Like I'm fairly

1759
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: impressed for their survey results here. So they did a

1760
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: survey in one and they had four thousand, three hundred

1761
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: seventy two uh individuals that registered four that were residents spears.

1762
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: There was over dred non residents that so yeah, they

1763
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 1: have figured about sixteen thousand, six hundred pike were speared

1764
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 1: from the people that they surveyed, right, So, I mean

1765
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: they really dug down like a geek out about this

1766
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of sixteen thousand, six five Those guys are doing good, cracked.

1767
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Here's like the average spear age was forty nine years

1768
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: old and eighty eight percent of them were male. Uh.

1769
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: Seventy of the respondents indicated that they actually uh dark

1770
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: house special. They must have surveyed like all of the

1771
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: people that fishing licenses. So that's pretty high, right, like

1772
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: that resident fishing license holders. You know, you sure it's

1773
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: not that that all the people that got registered death.

1774
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: The percent that actually went so respondents indicated that they

1775
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: actually dark house spirit. They're they're interviewing people that registered, um.

1776
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it must be growing of those people that

1777
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: took the survey, so that they had taken someone dark

1778
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: spiring for the first time. Yeah, I mean that's really cool.

1779
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 1: They did a really good job with that spirit information.

1780
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, really high on North Dakota fishing game man.

1781
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: They the stocking reports and netting reports are unreal. A

1782
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 1: lot of transparency. M h. Good state, good place to be.

1783
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: There's a good place to be. And the Walley things

1784
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: new too, which is interesting how they're becoming more open

1785
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,560
Speaker 1: to that. Like I think just last two years is

1786
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: when they opened while I spearing on a couple of

1787
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: weeks around here. Oh so they're like tiptoeing into dark

1788
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,680
Speaker 1: They're the same as live Scope. They're both at the

1789
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: same time, all right. So now now let's get into

1790
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the live scope thing. All right. So I got real

1791
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: mixed feelings. I want one bad, but I did get

1792
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a guilty conscience. Because here's I'll

1793
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: tell you later, go ahead and lay it all out.

1794
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,719
Speaker 1: I'll tell why I felt guilty. So, like your typical

1795
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: sonar whatever, you're getting an eighteen degree cone angle looking

1796
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: down your hole. That's what you see. Use a lot

1797
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: of analogies here. Yeah. So I mean, um, you're like

1798
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: shining a flashlight down the hole and that beam is

1799
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: eighteen degrees and whatever is underneath the flashlight like like

1800
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: a Scooby Doo, like the flashlight that they always using

1801
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo. Yeah, exactly, like that, like a very precise,

1802
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: very precise angle where it's like it's like utter darkness

1803
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: meets utter light. Yeah, you got it. Um. So typically, yeah,

1804
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: the fishing off the right under hole, you would see

1805
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: him in real time. You can see your lure going

1806
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: up and down, you can see the fish interacting. And

1807
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 1: even that has revolutionized ice fishing. I think your your

1808
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: catch trade, I would say, would be up three x

1809
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: or four x. With that, I would turn if I

1810
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: forgot mine, I'd turn around for a lot of like

1811
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: not all fishing. Obviously spearing electronics isn't gonna help you much, um,

1812
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: but if I've got my electronics, I would turn around

1813
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and go home. But live scope now is instead of

1814
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: that eighteen degree angle, it's a hundred thirty five degrees

1815
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,680
Speaker 1: by eighteen, so you can decide how you want to

1816
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: point it and stuff. But it's like kind of like ultrasound,

1817
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 1: you're getting a real time reading. So I can be

1818
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: looking a hundred feet off to the side, or I

1819
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: can do a pan. So normally, let's say, for an example,

1820
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for for black crappie's in a basin, you

1821
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 1: would drill that thing, you'd swiss cheese it right, you drawles,

1822
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 1: and you'd keep hole hopping until you are marking fish.

1823
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 1: Now with this live scope, you put this transducer down,

1824
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 1: you drill one hole, and I can scan effectively a

1825
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: hundred hundred feet or or more more in any direction

1826
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: around me. So I just saved myself cutting forty or

1827
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: fifty holes, and as well, you can see if those

1828
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: fish you're moving. So when Steve and I were fishing yesterday,

1829
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 1: we have the transducer between us, and we had warning

1830
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 1: before the fish came in, so like long warning, yeah,

1831
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: long warning. So it's like it's like that trail camera

1832
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 1: being set up, sending you a picture before it comes

1833
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you're not paying attention to all A

1834
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,599
Speaker 1: sudden look at the last cope and see, okay, Steve

1835
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,560
Speaker 1: there's a fish wi me towards you ten feet away,

1836
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,759
Speaker 1: and uh, you can see the size of the fish mood.

1837
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: It's mood. And there's the graph on there that you

1838
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: can measure it how big the fish are. And that's

1839
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the coolest parts because normally you

1840
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: get nervous when you're marking a fish. But when you

1841
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: can tell it's a three ft fish or whatever, it

1842
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: might be a thirty inch walleye, it's like it gets

1843
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: your heart pounding in a different and you can see

1844
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: it's mood. Man. Yep. You use like when they're on

1845
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: the bottom, like slithering along, then you can see what

1846
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: it likes. Yep. So you're sitting there and a fish

1847
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: comes and he gets like it gives like, it gets

1848
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: the perspective. He's right below your stuff, and you jig

1849
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: it and raise it and he follows it and gets excited.

1850
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: And then you raise a little more and he keeps

1851
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 1: following it, and you do it again and he hits

1852
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: and you like tease him into hitting. Um. You can

1853
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: try things on him. You can take his mood on

1854
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: the drop it down and shake in the mud. Doesn't care.

1855
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this oh he's getting interested. I'm gonna

1856
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: increase it's it's a scary tool and I've I've kind

1857
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: of compared it to you what drones is to hunting,

1858
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: and and because there's just no hiding anymore, you know,

1859
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: the fish can't hide and you and I mean, my

1860
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 1: favorite part of live scope is the learning tool that

1861
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: it is, because now I can see, oh, those crappy spooked.

1862
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: I caught one out of the school in the other

1863
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: fifteen spooked away. Or I knelt down a little bit

1864
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: loud and shallow water and I saw the fish spook away,

1865
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's my favorite. Obviously it's cool to

1866
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: see the fish eat, but you learn more about the

1867
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: biology and their general mood and characteristics. But it turns

1868
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: into a lot of gear. Like like you said, the

1869
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 1: spearing is super primitive, and now you're staring at a

1870
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: screw mean all day. So it's like we go fishing

1871
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: to get away from screens. Yet you and I are

1872
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,560
Speaker 1: sitting in the shack staring at a screen. So I

1873
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 1: can see how some people don't like that. Like I

1874
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: definitely get a lot of comments on my videos like, hey,

1875
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 1: you're not even fishing anymore, and it's like, well, I

1876
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: want I wouldn't say that that that's hard for me

1877
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 1: because you know, you use it, but you know twenty

1878
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: x the information that I would. I would say that

1879
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: after having hanging out with you for a few days,

1880
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,719
Speaker 1: you you know twenty times more about fish and fishing

1881
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: then your average fisherman. Thank you. So if you were like, dude,

1882
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: I don't looking fish, but you're all there just slaying,

1883
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: it winds up being like, you know a bunch about fish,

1884
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: you know a bunch about fishing, You're probably gonna catch

1885
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of fish no matter what. And you use

1886
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: that like a lot of that stuff goes that way.

1887
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing the guy who's like diligently

1888
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 1: running a bunch of trail camps is probably a pretty

1889
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 1: dedicated hunter. You always think that it's gonna wind up

1890
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: being that that technologies are gonna wind up being that

1891
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: any old Joe Blow can go do X. And maybe

1892
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 1: that's the case, But I just I haven't like seen

1893
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: like a ton of evidence story because I've generally seen

1894
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: that like people that are already obsessed to become early

1895
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: adopters on new stuff, and they were the ones kicking

1896
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: they were kicking ass before, and they're kicking ass now.

1897
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think you're probably underselling yourself after

1898
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 1: watching you fish. Um, we're out there, like, what the

1899
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: hell the temperature was? Like, I don't know. We've been

1900
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,639
Speaker 1: out in temperatures. The lowest I've seen is negative twenty nine.

1901
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: The highest I've seen is four. Every time we were fishing,

1902
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 1: it was in the negatives. What were wind gusts yesterday,

1903
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 1: it's like sustained winds of thirty Yeah, the wind shown bow.

1904
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: We moved four times last night. So that's not comfortable here,

1905
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: It's it's manageable. Yeah, but I'm saying like you're still moving,

1906
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: so there's still like a level of ambition, Like you

1907
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: put that thing down and we don't catch any fish,

1908
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: we don't marketing fish, and we move. But it was

1909
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: about like if you were fishing normally without electronics, that's

1910
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: about when you would have moved, didn't get a hit.

1911
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: What it doesn't. It's like, I don't know, you might

1912
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 1: be overestimating. It's like you might overestimate the impact because

1913
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that what it does is it's you'd probably

1914
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 1: go through a lot of the same activities. Yeah, you'd

1915
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: probably like go to an area, you'd probably try the

1916
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 1: same baits, you try the same tackles, you try to

1917
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: uh similar strategy, but there'd be more of a mystery,

1918
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't know that fish were down, but you

1919
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 1: know you weren't getting hits. It speeds up, it speeds

1920
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: up the search, but like you know, when you go

1921
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: to your initial spot, you still need to know why

1922
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 1: the fish are gonna be there, right, You need to

1923
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 1: have that initial understanding of fish biology and being like, oh,

1924
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: the walles are gonna be on tap rocks, Let's go

1925
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: check deep rocks, and the live scope confirms, confirms or

1926
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,719
Speaker 1: denies that they're there, and then you move on. So yeah,

1927
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: the thing I learned when I first started mess around

1928
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: with electronics and ice fishing um beyond like a flasher,

1929
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 1: but but putting lowering a camera down, which caused me

1930
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: to have all kinds of other guilty feelings. Putting a

1931
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:15,719
Speaker 1: camera down I learned more about in the first couple

1932
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 1: of days I fished with a camera down the whole

1933
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: I learned more about the way fish behave in the

1934
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 1: winter than I did from forty five years of ice fishing,

1935
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: which is that I used to picture when you um,

1936
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: we're fishing and not getting fish, it was that you

1937
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: weren't on fish or they were turned off and they

1938
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: were just like laying somewhere. I didn't know that all

1939
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:51,719
Speaker 1: day there are fish coming out of curiosity to come

1940
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: look at basically kiss your thing and move on, but

1941
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 1: come in like there's no motivation of hunger. It's like

1942
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 1: they come and they're like, oh, that's what that is,

1943
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: and stare at it, and come and stare at it,

1944
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: and leave and come and stare at It's not always

1945
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: little fish. I've seen big fish do the same thing.

1946
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 1: If you're banging the bottom, they in the silts coming

1947
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: up that they come and nose around in that silt,

1948
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 1: but don't eat anything. Oh I've I've played with the

1949
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: fish for fifteen minutes before getting them to eat. It's like,

1950
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: why did it take him that long to eat the

1951
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: juicy meat in front of his face? I had like

1952
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 1: that changed. Then it became in my mind what I

1953
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: used to think was they're not around, or they're somewhere else.

1954
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: They're laying low. There's sort of like this middle area

1955
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: where they're very active, moving all around and are not

1956
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 1: going to eat, but they're very interested in that. They

1957
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: want to know what's going on. They want all that

1958
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 1: noise was. They want to know what that movement was. Um.

1959
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: And then there's like a competitive aspect they have. They

1960
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: have like a little bit of there, like a little

1961
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: bit like kids where one of them doesn't want something,

1962
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 1: but when someone else wants it, they also decided they

1963
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 1: want it. Like he'll stare at it his body. Yeah,

1964
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 1: he'll stare at his buddy will show up and then

1965
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 1: he eats it. We see that in you know, open

1966
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: water a lot with small mouth but I uce fishing.

1967
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,799
Speaker 1: You see the little panfish with blue gills or croppies.

1968
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: You can get that school fired up and it's a

1969
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Then they get like, well I don't

1970
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: want it, but I want him to have it. Frenzy. Yeah.

1971
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 1: So um, let me ask you this, and do you

1972
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 1: you you walleye fish and turn him in fish with

1973
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: live scope? Yes? How many do you got? You have

1974
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 1: two on your boat at all time? No? I only

1975
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: have one? Okay, let me ask you if you gotta

1976
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:52,719
Speaker 1: be totally honest. Let's say, um, all of a sudden,

1977
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: your local government, not your the fishing Game agency, says

1978
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:01,719
Speaker 1: all right, that's it no life scope old done illegal.

1979
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 1: Would you breathe a sigh of relief or would you

1980
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, I'd I'd be I'd be pretty

1981
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 1: mad you wouldn't breathe the sigh relief. I want to

1982
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 1: learn as much as fish, like as much as possible

1983
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 1: of fish. And that's why I got into scuba diving,

1984
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 1: because I want to see them underwater and short of

1985
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: strapping the scooby gear on the live scope is like

1986
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,759
Speaker 1: when you see that fish relating exactly to that boulder,

1987
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty cool deal because that's what you visualize,

1988
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 1: but then you actually seeing it, it verifies what you

1989
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, what you've been thinking. I think you'd

1990
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: be all right with it. I mean honestly, because it's

1991
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: such a new technology, you'd be like whatever. Correct. And

1992
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,920
Speaker 1: right now we're actually already seeing it on the tournament side.

1993
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: So there's an ice circuit in Minnesota and they have

1994
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: outlawed the use of life scope those tournaments. No go

1995
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: you know what you know? One thing about it would

1996
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: be like, let's say you're having an ice fish and

1997
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: is ice fish is a blue collar pursuit, right, It's

1998
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: it's just it just is right, it's a blue collar

1999
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 1: pursuit um. And then if you're having like local derby's

2000
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: and like the dude that can through connections or just

2001
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: from having cash, the guy that can throw it down

2002
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 1: five grand and a live scope. Right, yeah, people only

2003
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 1: be like, well, how do I like in the derby?

2004
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,639
Speaker 1: How do I keep up with that? Man? I'm out

2005
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: here with that with the axe and a you know,

2006
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm out here with the axe and cut down zeb

2007
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: coo the tip of a zeb coo rod with a

2008
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 1: real tape to the Ferrell. Now I get that, you know,

2009
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: I get that. Man. He's like, whatever, she can live

2010
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: without it. She's still catch fish. Jay's like, no, no, no,

2011
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: it's not about catching fish. It's about learning about fish,

2012
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: which I like, this is this is an element of

2013
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: truth in that. Yeah, there's also a little bit of

2014
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: fish catching in there. Yeah, don't don't, don't. Don't come

2015
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 1: to me and act like it's not about catching fish.

2016
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 1: Learning is nice. The catching is nice too. Seth just

2017
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: likes every aspect of it. He loves free gear. No,

2018
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: he's got no free live scope. So you're saying, like

2019
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 1: you just like are you know, if I had the money,

2020
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: I would go right now and buy it. One of

2021
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 1: the things I've found and this is something I like

2022
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 1: about Seth. A lot A lot of people um mistake

2023
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: jealousy for something else. They mistake jealousy for moral superiority. Okay,

2024
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: so they'll see a live scope set up, and what's

2025
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 1: going on deep in their psyche is they want one,

2026
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: but they don't have that kind of jingle laying around.

2027
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: So what they do in their mind then is they

2028
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 1: do a thing where they disapprove of it. Yep, I

2029
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:44,839
Speaker 1: feel that they disapprove of it, like, oh, you shouldn't

2030
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: be able to have that. But what's really going on

2031
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 1: is they're like, I gotta wish to add one of those.

2032
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 1: But their body is, their brain is helping itself out

2033
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 1: giving them a sense of moral superiority, which is it

2034
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: feels for some people feels good. Jealousy it feels bad.

2035
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 1: I have one of my kids, My kids have a

2036
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:06,160
Speaker 1: book about jealousy and they describe jealousy. The book describes

2037
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: jealousy as a hot, prickly feeling. Seth is such a

2038
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 1: pure individual. Listen to me, tell you you tell this

2039
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: guy something, to tell him not to tell anyone. You

2040
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 1: couldn't waterboarded out of him. Um. Anyways, he sees one,

2041
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 1: he wants it, and he just says he wants one.

2042
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't act like he doesn't act like he's got

2043
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: like moral like any kind of more old lemma. I'm

2044
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:39,840
Speaker 1: in the same boat with Seth. I want one real

2045
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 1: bad but one of In fact, I think I could

2046
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 1: say I lost not but one. One point that I

2047
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 1: that I think of when it comes to that is,

2048
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 1: over the past few years, I've gotten really good with

2049
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 1: the technology that I have, right so, like down imaging

2050
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,919
Speaker 1: side imaging and being able to look on down imaging

2051
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: and be like, pretty sure that's a walleye just by

2052
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,440
Speaker 1: the way you know, or like the size of the

2053
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: fish compared to what you're seeing on the screen. Um.

2054
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 1: So like if they took live scope and outlawed it

2055
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be like the playing field would be

2056
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: a little more level, because we still have to you

2057
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: have to put some time in to get good at

2058
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I opposed the Internet when it

2059
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 1: came out, because I was good at looking up stuff

2060
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: in the library and I could smoke anybody in the library.

2061
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:40,840
Speaker 1: And then they made the Internet, and then now any

2062
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 1: time Dick and Harry and go find out stuff. And

2063
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: I used to have a competitive advantage. Yeah, I mean,

2064
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 1: Seth could probably take better pictures with his phone than

2065
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 1: most people with high on cameras. You gotta you gotta

2066
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 1: spend a lot of hours figuring it out, like, um, yeah,

2067
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not a play figured I know. Man, it's like

2068
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff keeps me up at night. Do

2069
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 1: you know. I want to point out I know how

2070
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 1: to close this out this trip I was catching we

2071
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:17,560
Speaker 1: sat down. Um granted, I had nothing to do with

2072
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: picking the spots, nothing to do with picking the spots, Okay,

2073
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: but um I was catching fish for you guys had

2074
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: the electronics hiped up, you were, you sat down in

2075
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: that first seat. But I didn't pick the spots. You know,

2076
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 1: someone just like here fish this whole Steve's roping him

2077
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,920
Speaker 1: as I'm trying to get the transducer to work. He

2078
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 1: did that to all three of us, just like the

2079
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 1: other night. I don't know Steve well enough to like

2080
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: give him grief right aways. But when you're on a

2081
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 1: fishing trip and everybody starts casting before things are ready,

2082
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,839
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, slow down, Like when you know, especially

2083
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 1: when the cameras are in enrolling that. That's my pet

2084
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,280
Speaker 1: peeve when I'm filming with somebody and I'm like, Okay,

2085
01:58:58,400 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do today, just wait to

2086
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: get the camera set up. And then, just like my wife,

2087
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 1: folks a fish right away. And it was like, Sam,

2088
01:59:04,040 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: you could have just waited like a minute, but I

2089
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Speaker 1: can't be match. You caught a fish, right, And then

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01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: she's got to pretend to be excited about the second one.

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01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 1: But you can never quite pretend that. Well, yeah, I

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01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 1: had some other thought. I was going to add about

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01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: this whole deal. The weather and everything was beautiful. Oh yeah,

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01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but I mean more like, um, more

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01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:26,480
Speaker 1: about the more about that. Yeah, you're enjoyed it, man,

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01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 1: I enjoyed looking through that stuff. It was a good time,

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01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed Beetle enjoyed fishing you guys, sharing a shack,

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Speaker 1: sharing some hooksets, many fish with Yannie. Oh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's gonna add. Did you like fishing with Yanni?

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Speaker 1: That's a loaded question. No. I did love it, But

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Speaker 1: like somebody that just I truly felt like to his core,

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Speaker 1: he did not have a good time. He did not

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Speaker 1: like the cold weather, like he I think he liked

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01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: the experience and like it was kind of it was

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01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: so out of his willhouse. It seems so foreign to

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Speaker 1: him that he was just like you are you guys

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02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 1: are just insane, right, He's not like a born he's

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Speaker 1: not a born and bread ice an. Yeah, he's just

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Speaker 1: like you. You seriously do this for fun, Like this

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Speaker 1: is like a cultural thing where you live, where people

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Speaker 1: do this as a pastime. And I'm like, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you, Like I don't understand why you're not

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Speaker 1: like excited and like see this, but I forget that

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02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 1: it is a cultural thing, you know, for for where

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02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 1: you grow up or how you grow up with what

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Speaker 1: kind of outdoor activities that are just part of everyday life.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I know he was like it was cool

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Speaker 1: to have him to the house and the whole crew

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Speaker 1: and a really cool experience. I know. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: add a perspective that Callahan had about technology and ice fishing,

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02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:45,440
Speaker 1: and he's not opposed to it, right, um, And if

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Speaker 1: someone was gonna be at probably him, but he's not.

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02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 1: He had a perspective like what happens to the psychology

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02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:53,160
Speaker 1: of an angler, where he says you could be ice

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02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:56,760
Speaker 1: fishing and having perfectly good time, but then someone shows

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02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 1: up with more Like someone shows up and that's up

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02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:05,040
Speaker 1: next to you with more electronics, and cal says. The

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02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 1: feeling you then get is, oh, now we're fucked. Like

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02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: he said, somehow makes him feel like like it makes

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02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 1: him feel like he's not doing you know that he's

2131
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:18,560
Speaker 1: like doesn't know something or is not doing something right

2132
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:20,480
Speaker 1: or now this person is going to catch all the fish.

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02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 1: And he's not proposing that as something as anyone else's

2134
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 1: problem but his own. He's just commenting on his own psychology.

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02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 1: That would be like when someone has that, then he's like, well,

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02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 1: now I'm screwed. The the key the key is to

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02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:34,920
Speaker 1: never fish with that technology. Now that you fish with it,

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02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,520
Speaker 1: you're screwed. If you'd never fished with it before, you know,

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Speaker 1: you maybe see clips online, but once you actually experience it.

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02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:42,360
Speaker 1: I know, the people that have sat in my shack

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02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 1: or sat in my boat, it's like they've dropped that

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Speaker 1: money afterwards. And I'm guilty of causing him that, separating

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Speaker 1: Americans or Canadians from their money. Yeah, I'm sure Garment

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02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 1: likes it when you do that. What's the ice fish

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02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: m be mean that is one of my biggest partners.

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02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 1: That's ice Fishing Manitoba. That's their urs and brands. So

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02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 1: shout out Ice Fish MB. I'm Fish Manitoba getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Joy. All right, here's the final plug.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go cooks. We're gonna go fry up some

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02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:18,840
Speaker 1: some catching cook walleye. We're gonna fry up some fish.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna put catching cook on there. There you go,

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02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 1: catch cooked. Tell people how to find you, guys, you'll

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Speaker 1: go ahead. You can go first. Yeah, if if you

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Speaker 1: want to find me on YouTube, j semens j A

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Speaker 1: Y s I E M E n S Canadian Angle,

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Speaker 1: Canadian Angle on YouTube. We got both roll in season

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Speaker 1: two dropping now. And if you want to buy some

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02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:39,360
Speaker 1: fish breading catch cooked on net. There you go, easy

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Speaker 1: peasy and a real nice folding flame knife. Yeah you

2160
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: guys selling those like hot cakes. Yeah, they're sounding pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Folding fly knife, really nice job, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Those are kind of a pain in the ass, but

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02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like you don't need to have the sheet. You

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02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 1: can put in your pocket without cutting a hole in

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Speaker 1: your leg. Um. Folding flat knife, high quality knife, beautiful craftsmanship,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Steve. Yeah, real nice knife. I going free.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I would have bought that son

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Speaker 1: of a bitch man, I appreciate it. I would have

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Speaker 1: given you a discount code. Uh, Mandy, how do people

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Speaker 1: find you? They can find me on Instagram just I

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02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 1: don't have any crazy names like everybody else. I just

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Speaker 1: left it as Mandy Rick, so they can find me

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Speaker 1: on old school. Yeah, super old school. I still even

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Speaker 1: have a Hotmail account that's an m E N D

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Speaker 1: y U h R I c H. I've got my

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Speaker 1: pro account and my personal account on on Facebook. Or

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Speaker 1: they can find me on Instagram or will you accept

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Speaker 1: them on both accounts or just on the pro account? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Just on the pro account. And I will say, list

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Speaker 1: like Joe Blow who wants to come and be like

2181
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Speaker 1: your body? You might not accept them on your personal account.

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Speaker 1: My personal accounts full. It's it literally, I'm Max so um.

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Speaker 1: I will say I've been struggling with Facebook because there's

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Speaker 1: actually a full account. They used my photos. It's my

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02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 1: name and it's they say that I'm from South Dakota

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Speaker 1: and Facebook will not take it down, like they will

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02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:04,360
Speaker 1: not take that account down, and it's my picture like

2188
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:07,040
Speaker 1: my like everything, and they won't take it down. So

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02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:11,000
Speaker 1: I've I've almost considered just kind of deleting everything off

2190
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:13,440
Speaker 1: there and just going to Instagram and everyone to report it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's listening to the podcast report the fake account. Yes,

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02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 1: they're actually can report the real account, and your real

2193
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,200
Speaker 1: account's gonna get pulled. It looks for the one that

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Speaker 1: says that I'm from South Dakota, I am not from

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Speaker 1: South Dakota. That's the bad one. That's bad one. But

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Speaker 1: don't join it. Correct, don't don't go to that one.

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Speaker 1: That's not who's doing that? I don't know. And the

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Speaker 1: worst part is is they've got a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on there and I just don't understand. It's it's really frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It's weird to find that person and kick them in

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Speaker 1: a little berries. Thanks alright, Boddy, get the oil. We're

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Speaker 1: doing it. We're gonna replace the smell of a thawn

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02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 1: out northern with the smell of hot grease. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, Thank you, Thank