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Speaker 2: So Mike had Thriller plaque on the floor.

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Speaker 1: He had the Thriller plaque sitting on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Not even on the wall.

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Speaker 1: No, he had the Thriller plaque sitting on the floor

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Speaker 3: Floor like that?

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, it's nothing, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You want it?

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Speaker 4: He said, do you want it?

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Speaker 2: Did you take it? Get the fuck, yo, Swiss, get

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Speaker 2: the fuck out. Yo, come on.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo.

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Speaker 2: Let me get that.

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Speaker 1: You know I wanted it.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: But you didn't want to feel like you was actually-

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to be thirsty. How you going to

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Speaker 1: Like, you got to remember, like, in my mind, I'm

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Speaker 4: Got you.

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Speaker 1: We about to work on music. He want to work

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Speaker 1: with AK. We about to produce a song together. Got you.

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Speaker 1: This our first time in his house. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, you know, I got a little bit

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Speaker 4: Got you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Okay. You know I want it.

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Speaker 1: I seen myself taking it when I said no.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Mike would have gave it to you. I stepped out

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Speaker 3: Took it and put it back.

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Speaker 4: You said, I took it and put it back, my nigga.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: So I was like, he's like, you want it? I said, no,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. Fuck Swiss.

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Speaker 2: God damn.

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Speaker 4: I wish I was with you. I bet. I bet.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, yo, Swiss, tell me to sign that shit.

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Speaker 7: That would have been in the art collection, man.

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Speaker 4: Come on, bro.

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Speaker 1: We ain't know Michael wasn't going to be here.

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Speaker 4: Of course, definitely.

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Speaker 1: You understand?

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Speaker 4: Definitely, man.

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Speaker 1: And we was like this at this point now.

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Speaker 4: Start building that relationship for real.

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Speaker 1: We already talking about the next time we going to connect.

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Speaker 1: We doing the Jets form. We was already locked in.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't have been good. Yeah, you wouldn't have been.

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Speaker 4: Good, man. I agree with you, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't have been good. I don't think you would

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Speaker 2: AK would have understood that one.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get stabbed. Bro, shut the fuck up. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Bro!

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Speaker 1: Bro! Bro!

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the talk of New York, Tony Ayo.

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Speaker 4: And it's the boy Uncle Murda, a.k.a.

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Speaker 7: And right now, we in the building with one of

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Speaker 7: He's part of Rough Riders, the mastermind of Rough Riders.

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Speaker 7: Make some noise for Swizz Beatz.

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Speaker 3: Beatz, hold up.

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Speaker 6: Swizzy.

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Speaker 1: Zone, zone, zone, zone, zone.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you having me here, man. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: Definitely, man.

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Speaker 7: I remember always looking up to you guys, Rough Riders,

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Speaker 2: What year was that? Was the Rough Riders Cash Money Tour?

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Speaker 1: Rough Riders Cash Money? Shit.

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Speaker 7: That was like one of the major big tours I

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Speaker 7: when did you start producing?

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Speaker 2: Like, what's the story?

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Speaker 1: Man, first of all, congratulations on both of y'all.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, my brother. Thank you, my brother. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I don't really do these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when I called, I said, you don't really be

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Speaker 4: needs you, though.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 4: Definitely.

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Speaker 1: I love when I see people. come from where they

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Speaker 1: come from to doing positive things. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: So this shit is positive. Y'all look great doing it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So back to the question.

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Speaker 1: Man, I started making beats when I was doing my mixtapes.

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Speaker 1: So I started in the Bronx and I was making

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Speaker 2: To Ron G, Ron G number 10. Not to cut

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Speaker 4: That was one of my classic music.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Ron G, Ron G number 10.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Doo-Wop and the Bounce Squad. You

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Speaker 4: Okay, look at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But I still, the

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Speaker 1: I was like, you want me to be a producer?

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Speaker 1: That shit felt boring. Right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: You want me to be.

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Speaker 1: You want me to be a doctor, nigga? No. You

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Speaker 1: all vinyl set, you know what I'm saying, on Soul

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Speaker 4: All that came from.

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Speaker 4: To the vinyl.

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Speaker 2: What's the first beat you ever made?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The first one I ever made didn't

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Speaker 4: What beat changed your life?

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Speaker 1: All of them. It's still today. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Over 680 million sold. You know what I mean? Definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the thing that changed me was because

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Speaker 1: though Rough Rides is my family. I started with Rough Riders,

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Speaker 1: I just got used to that shit. You know what

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Speaker 1: in the head with Band From TV. Oh, yeah. That

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Speaker 2: Who was on Nature, Pun? Who else was on there?

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Speaker 1: Kiss.

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Speaker 4: Kiss. Kiss was on there, too. Yep.

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Speaker 1: That was my shit right there. Yeah, that joint. Band

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Speaker 1: from TV is just styles. Yeah, when Band from TV came,

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Speaker 1: the fam started taking me a little more serious. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's my nephew right there.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That was Pun.

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Speaker 4: Oh, DMY started taking you more serious after that?

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Speaker 3: You a little more serious.

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Speaker 2: But that was Pun record, right?

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Speaker 1: Was it? Nah, that was... Yeah, hold on, who had

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Speaker 2: That was Pun Wrecking.

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Speaker 1: That was Nori Wrecking. Oh, Nori Wrecking.

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Speaker 7: So for you to come up and make a name,

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Speaker 1: They was up there with me. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I can't let this do it. I got you.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the Benjamins came, I probably didn't come

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Speaker 1: And that was like the focus. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Look at that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like Kissing Them used to

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Speaker 1: I'd just turn the machine off. And this is not

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Speaker 4: So you said this ain't no cap, this is all

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Speaker 4: real right here, right?

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Speaker 1: Nah, Joe, and Joe mine, he feel that's real, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, but I grew up

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, I ain't seen that one yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, man, oh, man.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Joe. But I, man.

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Speaker 6: Joe got them stories, man. Joe got them stories. Joe

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Speaker 2: So what's your craziest studio session with D-Block, man?

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Speaker 7: You know, they like a pillar of hip hop. You know,

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Speaker 2: You know, what was like a wild studio session? And

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Speaker 4: Rest in peace to them.

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Speaker 1: Well, to be honest, like, I don't really recall, like, see,

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Speaker 1: the Locks was, they very organized. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Which is, you know, how you always see them. You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like they can be in different places,

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Speaker 1: KISS doing this, Sheik, but they always been organized since

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Speaker 1: they was the Warlocks. I always seen them like super organized.

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Speaker 1: Styles say we going right now, And they might want

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Speaker 4: Look at that.

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Speaker 1: Right? And so, like, in the studio session, they was

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Speaker 1: needed to do. We ain't, I don't remember no crazy,

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Speaker 6: I remember niggas getting whipped out, but it wasn't because

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Speaker 4: Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't during the lock session.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't during the lock session, but I definitely remember

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Speaker 2: I know Swiss.

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Speaker 4: Curse you, Swiss.

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Speaker 2: Rest in Peace DMX, one of the best artists to

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Speaker 7: He done went diamond, sold all kinds of records, and

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Speaker 7: Rest in Peace DMX. Shout out to his family and everything.

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Speaker 7: What was the studio like with him? Eight pit bulls

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Speaker 7: in there? What's going on, brother?

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Speaker 1: See, now me and X was different because we ran together, right?

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Speaker 4: Like brothers for real. We ran to X, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we ran. We ran the Yonkers together. We ran.

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Speaker 1: like out of function or something. Me and X like,

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Speaker 1: what we doing? What time? Boom, we going to Stewart

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Speaker 1: this time today. And it just depends on the mood. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, cause going back, me

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Speaker 1: And then from there, we'll go to the studio. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So like we'll be on some

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Speaker 6: Because- And they was going to commit robberies and then

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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't, you know, like the music was fun.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like I never like, for

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Speaker 1: the music like, nah, I got to like do this

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Speaker 1: like in ways that I was comfortable with. I didn't

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Speaker 1: what I mean? And she was like, nah, you don't

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Speaker 4: We sent you them checks.

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Speaker 1: I know you got the zap. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, and then it hit me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yo, those are real? And she was like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Flew back home. Because my grandmother... She used to, you know,

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Speaker 1: So I go back home at 750,000 in a shoe box. Bam.

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Speaker 4: They can like, oh, shish.

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Speaker 1: My life been changed since that day. You know what

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Speaker 1: that day.

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Speaker 4: Look at that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So that was just like

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And so when we went to the studio, that was

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Speaker 1: just wreck. It was just like, all right, we're going

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Speaker 1: to do this freestyle. We're going to do this joint.

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Speaker 1: All right. So, and that's like the earlier days, but

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Speaker 1: I seen so much wild stuff with Dog that it

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Like, you know what's wild? If it wasn't wild.

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Speaker 2: A regular day was like, wow.

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Speaker 1: That's wild. If it wasn't wild, that's wild.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right.

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Speaker 1: That's funny right there.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because X is one of the greatest to do it.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to know, like, it's like a Biggie,

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Speaker 7: to know, like, what a regular day, what a wild

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Speaker 7: Chicks running around. Like what's going on?

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Speaker 1: It's just different. You know what I'm saying? Because it depends.

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Speaker 1: Like X is a, he'll go to a pool hall

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Speaker 2: I don't know none of these people. Who is this?

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Speaker 1: It's like, nah, this my man. You know, we going

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Speaker 1: to play the music. I want him to hear the album.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who is these niggas? Like he was like,

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Speaker 1: Like we'll go to a place, he'll pay the bill

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Speaker 1: for everybody. X gave away all his cake to people.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I never seen a human

448
00:18:12,170 --> 00:18:15,580
Speaker 1: so generous like Dog. Dog would give everything away. I'd

449
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,380
Speaker 1: be like, man, keep that for yourself, bro. You know

450
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,780
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? But he just was super generous and

451
00:18:20,859 --> 00:18:23,550
Speaker 1: he didn't care about the cake. There was no time

452
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:27,889
Speaker 1: you've seen him stunting on nobody. You know what I mean?

453
00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:30,470
Speaker 1: Even stuff that he'll wear to a premiere, by the

454
00:18:30,490 --> 00:18:31,890
Speaker 1: time we got back to the studio, he done gave

455
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Speaker 1: all that shit away already. I'm like, you gave the

456
00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:36,290
Speaker 1: watch away? I was right here.

457
00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:39,510
Speaker 3: I'm like, who you.

458
00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:40,710
Speaker 2: Getting to watch me?

459
00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:42,970
Speaker 1: He's like, this old lady said she liked it. This

460
00:18:43,090 --> 00:18:43,930
Speaker 1: old lady.

461
00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:45,750
Speaker 4: Said she liked it. X had a good heart though, man.

462
00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:46,270
Speaker 4: Good heart.

463
00:18:46,369 --> 00:18:48,050
Speaker 1: Got us looking for the old lady. Where she at?

464
00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:50,490
Speaker 1: You think she's over here giving to him?

465
00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:53,090
Speaker 7: We bought into the character. You know, him and Belly

466
00:18:53,130 --> 00:18:54,710
Speaker 7: was like, that was like a classic.

467
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Speaker 2: Him and Nas.

468
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,879
Speaker 7: Because it was like he was being who he was,

469
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Speaker 7: the wild nigga in Belly.

470
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 2: And Nas was the calm nigga sincere.

471
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Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they was acting.

472
00:19:03,180 --> 00:19:04,639
Speaker 4: It definitely didn't feel like that. It felt like that

473
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,960
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474
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,359
Speaker 6: Because Nas laid back and calm in real life and

475
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 6: X is really turned up in real life, nigga.

476
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Speaker 4: So it felt like it was just there.

477
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Speaker 2: That's why Belly was a classic, man.

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Speaker 1: Super classic.

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Speaker 4: Whoa.

510
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Speaker 2: We fast forward to Eve. How was it working with Eve?

511
00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:39,669
Speaker 7: Because Eve was like, she was like the first female

512
00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:41,250
Speaker 7: to come out of Rough Riders and one of the

513
00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:45,220
Speaker 7: biggest ever of all time. She had a respect with

514
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,790
Speaker 7: like him. and Foxy just to come after them. She

515
00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:52,190
Speaker 7: came after them, right? Eve came after them and get

516
00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:52,850
Speaker 7: her respect.

517
00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:55,890
Speaker 2: What hit records? What was that like? And producing some

518
00:20:55,930 --> 00:20:57,619
Speaker 2: of most of her albums.

519
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,300
Speaker 1: Eve is one of one. She's the real deal. You

520
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,220
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like still today, as we speak

521
00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: right now, she's still the same person that I seen

522
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: come in that studio with all them wolves in there,

523
00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,350
Speaker 1: straight from Philly and watch sick days. Like, yo, you

524
00:21:10,369 --> 00:21:12,929
Speaker 1: gotta go through this right here. And she stood her

525
00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:17,050
Speaker 1: ground in there And it was some heavy spitters in

526
00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:18,950
Speaker 1: there that day too. It was a lot of work

527
00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:21,100
Speaker 1: getting put in that day. And Eve was just like this.

528
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,300
Speaker 1: And then X was coming to bite somebody. And then

529
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: Eve ended up biting the homeboy. And X was like,

530
00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:34,170
Speaker 1: she with us. You know what I'm saying? And from

531
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:37,710
Speaker 1: that point on, she was just family. You know what

532
00:21:37,770 --> 00:21:39,129
Speaker 1: I'm saying? She used to live with me. That was

533
00:21:39,170 --> 00:21:42,550
Speaker 1: like my real sister. You know what I'm saying? The

534
00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:46,150
Speaker 1: only problem we had was Niggas picking up from the crib.

535
00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:48,310
Speaker 1: I was like, mm-mm.

536
00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:50,730
Speaker 4: We ain't going to do that. We ain't going to

537
00:21:50,750 --> 00:21:51,010
Speaker 4: do that.

538
00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: He got to meet you across the bridge, baby.

539
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:54,990
Speaker 4: Nah.

540
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,820
Speaker 1: I wasn't all the way out yet. You know what

541
00:21:56,890 --> 00:21:57,130
Speaker 1: I'm saying?

542
00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:57,310
Speaker 3: Got you.

543
00:21:57,340 --> 00:22:00,340
Speaker 1: Mentally. And so, you know, I'm seeing the Range Rover

544
00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: pull up in this and that. I'm like, man, don't

545
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: do that.

546
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 4: Not here.

547
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:05,220
Speaker 2: Not here.

548
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,660
Speaker 6: Not here.

549
00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 4: Not here.

550
00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: Because, you know, women with guys, you know, they don't

551
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:13,500
Speaker 1: make the right decisions, especially when they're young. And so,

552
00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:15,899
Speaker 1: in my mind, it's like, this going to be a

553
00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: changeable thing. You know what I'm saying? So you can't

554
00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: get comfortable with that.

555
00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,699
Speaker 6: And she- Because somebody else going to know, somebody else

556
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 6: going to know, somebody else going to know.

557
00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:26,619
Speaker 4: I ain't going to know where it came from.

558
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:29,690
Speaker 1: I told her one time, it never happened again. It

559
00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:33,169
Speaker 1: wasn't like a, damn, like she didn't put me in

560
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:36,990
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation. She caught it in 2.1 seconds. Right.

561
00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:42,710
Speaker 1: Apologize and Wallahi, like we never had a disagreement till

562
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:43,250
Speaker 1: this day.

563
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:43,670
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

564
00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:47,130
Speaker 1: And that wasn't even a disagreement. That was just.

565
00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:48,970
Speaker 4: Like, you know how you move. Yeah.

566
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:52,470
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But, like, she's been solid. Like,

567
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:55,550
Speaker 1: Eve is, like, the most solid. You know what I'm saying? Like,

568
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:58,550
Speaker 1: the most solid. I give it. Shout out to my sister, Eve.

569
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:59,750
Speaker 4: Shout out to Eve, man.

570
00:22:59,770 --> 00:23:02,190
Speaker 1: We got to get an album. Eve, it's album time.

571
00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:03,570
Speaker 4: Oh, shit. Let's go.

572
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:04,330
Speaker 2: We need it, man.

573
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:04,910
Speaker 4: Let's go.

574
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:07,909
Speaker 1: We need it. She's so comfortable. And I'm proud of her.

575
00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:08,530
Speaker 4: She's chilling, man.

576
00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:11,620
Speaker 1: She's chilling. She landed the plane way early. She was

577
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:16,310
Speaker 1: the first one. Traveling across seas. I remember she was

578
00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: the first person to even show me what Patron was.

579
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,939
Speaker 1: Nobody knew Patron. I'm talking about, no, Eve could have

580
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,620
Speaker 1: owned like 10, 15% of Patron, bro. Like early, early.

581
00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:32,100
Speaker 1: We was in Vegas and she was just like, yo,

582
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you drinking? She's like, nah, it's this

583
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,250
Speaker 1: new thing Patron. I had some shots. I had a

584
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:42,570
Speaker 1: couple of shots, worse morning than mine. Life. Worst morning

585
00:23:42,790 --> 00:23:47,350
Speaker 1: of my life. I'm telling you, I was like, I

586
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:50,330
Speaker 1: didn't want to smoke Patron for like two years. But

587
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:52,379
Speaker 1: then she was like, nah, it's this company called Patron.

588
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:54,540
Speaker 1: They about to blow. They want to offer me some

589
00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:56,740
Speaker 1: shares in the company. But man, they got to cut

590
00:23:56,780 --> 00:24:00,180
Speaker 1: me the check. Boy, I wish I could rewind that time.

591
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,220
Speaker 4: God damn.

592
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: You think there's more money?

593
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,570
Speaker 7: Because I feel like it feels like in the game,

594
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:08,690
Speaker 7: there was more money back then for producers than there

595
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:08,990
Speaker 7: is now.

596
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'm wrong.

597
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,899
Speaker 7: Because I felt like you and Timbaland, you guys was

598
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,390
Speaker 7: getting like a million dollars a beat.

599
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:16,470
Speaker 3: Half a million dollars a beat.

600
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:17,830
Speaker 1: We was making like 10 million a month.

601
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: Talk about that, bro.

602
00:24:22,140 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 7: I always wanted to know what you, Timbaland, Dre, because

603
00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:28,170
Speaker 7: it just seemed like y'all just made, it was just

604
00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:28,830
Speaker 7: a lot.

605
00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:29,629
Speaker 2: Of money for these guys.

606
00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:32,330
Speaker 7: It felt like if you wanted a Swiss beat back then,

607
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:34,810
Speaker 7: you had to pay a million dollars, half a million,

608
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:36,510
Speaker 7: probably minimum.

609
00:24:36,750 --> 00:24:38,590
Speaker 1: You said it about right.

610
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:40,090
Speaker 2: Explain that to me, bro.

611
00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: Tim and P got the guts out of them because

612
00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: of the pop side of it. You know what I'm saying?

613
00:24:44,859 --> 00:24:46,419
Speaker 1: Because they was hitting the pop side of it, but

614
00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: I was getting the guts out of it from a

615
00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: hip-hop standpoint, and then I started doing R & B

616
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:53,980
Speaker 1: vibes and different things when producing all the B's albums

617
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: and Gwen Stefani and all those different things there. And

618
00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:00,420
Speaker 1: then I did the rock and roll stuff, but like

619
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:07,890
Speaker 1: just basic, just with no communications, it's 250. That's not even,

620
00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:09,970
Speaker 1: that's just for us to be in the studio.

621
00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: 250,000 just to talk, just to talk to you.

622
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:13,590
Speaker 1: Yes. Damn.

623
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:13,850
Speaker 6: Yes.

624
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:16,010
Speaker 7: Go ahead, go ahead. And then- Because I had this

625
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:18,290
Speaker 7: 10 million a month. See, I'm tired of trying to.

626
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:19,350
Speaker 3: Hear about it.

627
00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: And then- You know, and then what was different was

628
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,780
Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of the choruses for the songs

629
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: as well. You know what I'm saying? So that was

630
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,260
Speaker 1: a whole nother vibe. Then you want to do the video.

631
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,870
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother vibe. And then it depends on

632
00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:35,670
Speaker 1: who the artist was as well. You know what I'm saying?

633
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:37,510
Speaker 1: Like most artists is like, yo, we need the main,

634
00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:40,790
Speaker 1: main joint. Like, let's go. You know, that's a 500 ball.

635
00:25:40,810 --> 00:25:43,629
Speaker 1: The main price. You know what I'm saying? So it

636
00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: was amazing because it just was like, it was just

637
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,590
Speaker 1: a great time. to actually make hits. You know what

638
00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:56,449
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Because you can physically feel the response. You

639
00:25:56,470 --> 00:26:00,730
Speaker 1: could physically feel, you could visually see in your account

640
00:26:00,770 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: what was dancing. You know what I'm saying?

641
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,459
Speaker 4: He said you could see what was dancing in your account.

642
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,980
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see it.

643
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

644
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:10,219
Speaker 7: It's getting 500 to a mil a beat, Timberland and

645
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,300
Speaker 7: that time switch.

646
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:11,619
Speaker 6: Yeah.

647
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: That's out the budget.

648
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:13,619
Speaker 4: Facts.

649
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:16,220
Speaker 1: It was just a different time, man. And I'm happy,

650
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,950
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been in it for so long,

651
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:21,810
Speaker 1: although I still feel like I haven't started all the

652
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:25,909
Speaker 1: way yet. It's just seeing all those different eras and

653
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:28,340
Speaker 1: then see where we at now. You know what I'm saying?

654
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,459
Speaker 1: It's just like, man, that was a big record. How

655
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:32,780
Speaker 1: much you got paid to do that?

656
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,050
Speaker 4: Definitely, man.

657
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,980
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

658
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,300
Speaker 2: It was different times.

659
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,530
Speaker 7: You feel like music now is more microwave music because

660
00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:40,290
Speaker 7: it seems like.

661
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:43,310
Speaker 2: We playing all the old shit now. We playing the

662
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:44,550
Speaker 2: new shit, but the old.

663
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:50,030
Speaker 7: Shit is like, I'm still bumping the locks. I'm still

664
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:53,530
Speaker 7: bumping DMX, niggas done started something in the car. I'm

665
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:55,550
Speaker 7: still bumping Eve. You know what I'm saying?

666
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,430
Speaker 1: I think that's probably because of the era we from

667
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:01,980
Speaker 1: that we feel comfortable with it. I'm sure my kids

668
00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: is not.

669
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: Trying to hear that shit.

670
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:08,650
Speaker 1: But I got to take that back because Egypt listened

671
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:09,869
Speaker 1: to more older songs than me.

672
00:27:09,910 --> 00:27:11,070
Speaker 4: Rob Markman Okay, look at that then.

673
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:13,290
Speaker 1: Okay. I came in, he listened to Mint Condition. I said,

674
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:13,990
Speaker 1: what you know about this?

675
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:15,389
Speaker 4: Rob Markman What you know about that? Yeah.

676
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:17,669
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So the one thing I

677
00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:21,140
Speaker 1: tell people is that the thing that you can't escape

678
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,659
Speaker 1: no matter what is going to be quality. They're going

679
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: to always go back to the quality and they're going

680
00:27:28,060 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: to always go back to originality. You understand? So I

681
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: think that the more artists... even today, that has an

682
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: original aspect to them and a quality aspect as a musician,

683
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,850
Speaker 1: as a songwriter, as a producer. People are going to

684
00:27:44,869 --> 00:27:48,310
Speaker 1: go back to that. But what happens is now with technology,

685
00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:52,610
Speaker 1: you can run through so many artists, right? And my

686
00:27:52,650 --> 00:27:55,169
Speaker 1: kids told me, I was like, yo, what's making you

687
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:58,900
Speaker 1: listen to this song right here? Because they'd be playing

688
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,260
Speaker 1: some wild shit in the crowd. I was like, They

689
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: was like, nah, dad, you got to understand, like, this

690
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: is what we have fun with. We don't buy that.

691
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: But we buy this right here. You know what I'm saying?

692
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: We buy like Kendrick or this one or that one

693
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,050
Speaker 1: or that. And so it let me know that they're

694
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:16,980
Speaker 1: not off like that.

695
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:17,469
Speaker 4: Got you.

696
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:19,990
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Although it's probably more popular

697
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:21,910
Speaker 1: to be cool and to hang out with your friends

698
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:22,149
Speaker 1: with it.

699
00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:23,590
Speaker 4: Because you see it on TikTok and Instagram and shit,

700
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:24,890
Speaker 4: but they really got the music they.

701
00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:26,609
Speaker 1: Really listen to. Yeah, but they not going to the

702
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:30,330
Speaker 1: shows of those songs. They not buying those songs. But

703
00:28:30,369 --> 00:28:33,149
Speaker 1: they having fun with it, so it's making, it's tricking

704
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:35,750
Speaker 1: you like that's what they really rocking with. But they like, nah,

705
00:28:35,790 --> 00:28:37,290
Speaker 1: we just catching a record with that. I was like, okay,

706
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:38,890
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. That felt good.

707
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:41,850
Speaker 4: Got you. You ain't following this thing.

708
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,850
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on. My man, he ain't even say nothing.

709
00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:45,550
Speaker 2: Got you, got you.

710
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:49,450
Speaker 1: How is he better than everybody? Nah, he ain't say

711
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:51,950
Speaker 1: a sentence. He rap better than everybody?

712
00:28:53,380 --> 00:28:54,540
Speaker 4: It'd be crazy now.

713
00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:58,300
Speaker 7: I mean, now you got TikTok and Instagram now breaking

714
00:28:58,340 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 7: records more than you would say as much as radio, right?

715
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is, who's going to the shows?

716
00:29:07,050 --> 00:29:07,270
Speaker 4: Right?

717
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:10,890
Speaker 1: So a lot of the ways, like a lot of

718
00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:14,130
Speaker 1: artists really make their money from the shows. So if

719
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,970
Speaker 1: you live on TikTok but can't sell out an arena,

720
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:22,300
Speaker 1: is that success? Right? Because the amount of the numbers

721
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: that they breaking down on those streams, you got to

722
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,780
Speaker 1: go like mega crazy.

723
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: To get some real money from this, yes.

724
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:31,220
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we was getting the check for producing

725
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,870
Speaker 1: the track right then and there. Like you got a

726
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:36,050
Speaker 1: stream and they paying you on a penny rate, which

727
00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:38,510
Speaker 1: McDonald's don't even pay you on a penny rate.

728
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?

729
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:43,140
Speaker 1: So how do we get from a multi-billion dollar business

730
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,690
Speaker 1: to the penny rate vibe? I don't know. Those things

731
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:47,460
Speaker 1: throw me off a little bit.

732
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:49,890
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you was getting that million and that 500 to.

733
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:51,530
Speaker 3: Beat, man.

734
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:54,710
Speaker 2: That's why your crib look like Bruce Wayne's, man.

735
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:56,230
Speaker 4: Got money, man.

736
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:58,630
Speaker 2: Got the Bruce Wayne crib, bro.

737
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: Come on, I ain't been enjoying it.

738
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I seen that crib online. I was like, man, ridiculous, man.

739
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 7: You got to give me a top five cars because

740
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 7: you into the toys, man.

741
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh, man.

742
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: You got some pieces over there, bro.

743
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:12,900
Speaker 1: That's a fact.

744
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: Because I know you got the Ferraris, the Lambos. But

745
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:17,460
Speaker 2: you got some other specialties.

746
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,860
Speaker 1: I don't got no Lambos no more.

747
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:19,660
Speaker 4: Okay.

748
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:24,010
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Lambos. That was a while ago. Definitely Ferraris.

749
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,430
Speaker 1: I'm going to switch it up. What I like now,

750
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:35,310
Speaker 1: I like the Vipers, the old school Vipers, because it's

751
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:39,150
Speaker 1: going to go back to American muscle cars once everybody's

752
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:41,540
Speaker 1: finished playing around. It's going to go back to the

753
00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:45,910
Speaker 1: naturally aspirated stick shift. You know what I'm saying? Because

754
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: everything is like, they making everything so hybrid that people

755
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:52,830
Speaker 1: are going to go back to the basics of it.

756
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:55,780
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And so I've been collecting

757
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: all the Dodge Vipers. You know what I'm saying? Because

758
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:01,850
Speaker 1: the key thing with the whole car world is to

759
00:31:01,910 --> 00:31:05,030
Speaker 1: get in when nobody's paying attention. You know what I'm saying?

760
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:09,350
Speaker 1: When you see everybody chasing it, then you probably should

761
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:12,210
Speaker 1: go the other way. You know what I'm saying? So

762
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:14,860
Speaker 1: when I built my Ferrari collection, Of course, people was

763
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: always driving Ferraris, but they wasn't collecting on that type

764
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:25,020
Speaker 1: of level, SP1, SP2, SP3, LaFerrari, you know what I'm saying?

765
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,230
Speaker 1: As a package, as a set, you know what I'm saying?

766
00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:31,710
Speaker 1: They was more so catching with the dealers, sending to them,

767
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:35,490
Speaker 1: not vibing what's really going on in Italy, right? And so,

768
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: you know that, and then I like the old Vanquishes.

769
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,670
Speaker 1: Catch those, you can catch those for nothing. You know

770
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:45,810
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like just catch the old Vanquishers under

771
00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: 10,000 miles. Right? Catch about five of those, sit on

772
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: those for about three years.

773
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: Rob Markman, Because they all going up in value.

774
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, You're going four extra money. You know what

775
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying? So like a lot of my cars are

776
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:00,860
Speaker 1: more so like investments. I don't buy cars that are

777
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,780
Speaker 1: like stunt. I just add it to the portfolio.

778
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,180
Speaker 7: Rob Markman, Yeah, because you be on some different type

779
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:08,980
Speaker 7: of talent, man. It's like once when you guys, like

780
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:11,229
Speaker 7: you and Jay got the money. You know, y'all went

781
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:13,190
Speaker 7: from the cause. Talk about the art, too, because I

782
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:15,010
Speaker 7: know you're big on the art, you and Jay-Z.

783
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:18,250
Speaker 1: Talk about that, man. The art has been a passion

784
00:32:18,290 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: for me since growing up in the Bronx.

785
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: Right.

786
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,900
Speaker 1: You know, art and music is brothers and sisters.

787
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: Right.

788
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: It's just the businesses switched them up. Like, ever since

789
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: you heard music, you've seen art with it. Every time

790
00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: you've seen art, you've seen music with it. You go

791
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,390
Speaker 1: to the artist's studio, they're playing music. You know what

792
00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:38,830
Speaker 1: I'm saying? But the businesses made it, like, two different categories.

793
00:32:38,850 --> 00:32:43,570
Speaker 1: They're brothers and sisters. Right. But I feel like using

794
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:48,790
Speaker 1: my network and my influence to get the youth into

795
00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:52,380
Speaker 1: other ways where they can express themselves has been strong

796
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:55,740
Speaker 1: because look at where we grew up at. The teacher

797
00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:57,100
Speaker 1: used to put the work on the board and lead

798
00:32:57,140 --> 00:33:00,860
Speaker 1: a class. You know what I'm saying? What type of

799
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: education is that? And I was just like, cool. I

800
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,140
Speaker 1: had this person doing the work anyway. So it didn't

801
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:11,270
Speaker 1: matter to me. He was playing dice. He was having

802
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:15,070
Speaker 1: a good time. But then when you get older, you

803
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:18,770
Speaker 1: realize that we've been robbed of the education, which is

804
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:20,910
Speaker 1: why I went back to school in my late thirties,

805
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:23,750
Speaker 1: did the three years at Harvard. And I feel like

806
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:29,030
Speaker 1: that gave me another 20, right? Because we missed so

807
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: much because imagine driving pass everything every day at 100

808
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: miles per hour. Because you're chasing one thing a day.

809
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: We just trained to go. But now, you're able to

810
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,180
Speaker 1: walk and be like, yo, the cleanest is closer right here.

811
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:44,620
Speaker 1: Why am I paying $ 5 more to go right there

812
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,700
Speaker 1: where everybody go? I didn't even know the cleanest was

813
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: right by the crib. So you slow it down and

814
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: then you realize like, yo, they robbed us of our education,

815
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: robbed us of our rights, robbed us of all these

816
00:33:55,030 --> 00:34:01,310
Speaker 1: different things. And then, we can't really articulate how great

817
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:05,340
Speaker 1: we are. because we didn't have those skill sets. But

818
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,819
Speaker 1: you might be able to paint a different picture as

819
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:12,100
Speaker 1: a rapper, as a poet. You might be able to

820
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:15,899
Speaker 1: paint a different picture as a photographer, as a painter.

821
00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: So now you put those skills versus how they saying

822
00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: that we need to be in special classes and all

823
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:24,620
Speaker 1: this stuff here. We more brilliant than the people teaching us.

824
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,430
Speaker 1: We just express ourselves different. And that's why we doubled

825
00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: down on the Dean Collection and making art accessible for

826
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: everyone and built this brilliant collection that's traveling on tour

827
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: to 2031. It goes around the world. First collection of

828
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,989
Speaker 1: color to ever do it. And then we just passed

829
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:49,910
Speaker 1: a law called the Dean's Choice where living artists can

830
00:34:49,969 --> 00:34:53,270
Speaker 1: participate on a royalty base for the reseller that works

831
00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: at auction. So I bought a painting from you for 100,000.

832
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: And at that time, that $ 100, 000 was great. You know

833
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,100
Speaker 1: what I mean? That's probably the biggest move for your

834
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:08,540
Speaker 1: painting at that time. Ten years go by, I joined

835
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,589
Speaker 1: for $ 32 million at the auction house, which you sold

836
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:16,950
Speaker 1: it for $ 100, 000. I bought it. I'm cashing out. The

837
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:20,170
Speaker 1: auction house is cashing out. You sitting there telling me

838
00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:23,489
Speaker 1: I did that painting? Right. You ain't participating on none

839
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:26,989
Speaker 1: of it? So we just passed that with Bonham's Auction

840
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:30,310
Speaker 1: House with called the Dean's Choice, where now.

841
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:32,129
Speaker 4: You can participate in the sale.

842
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:33,990
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, That's dope.

843
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:36,589
Speaker 4: That's dope. Rob Markman, And.

844
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:39,070
Speaker 2: It never depreciates, because you got a couple of Basquiat's

845
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:39,850
Speaker 2: in the stash, right?

846
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Rob Markman, Name some of the artists in the collection.

847
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you got Basquiat, but name some other parts.

848
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: Or what Basquiat you got?

849
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, It's about 4,000 pieces in the overall collection.

850
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: I've been collecting for 27 years now, maybe 28. Damn,

851
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:57,140
Speaker 1: you been in that shit that long? Rob Markman, Yeah.

852
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: You don't know this about this guy, man? Him and

853
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: Jay are buying the Basquiat.

854
00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 6: I've known him for over 20 years, and they know

855
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:05,650
Speaker 6: you've been in the collecting art, though, that long, is

856
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:06,230
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

857
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:07,670
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

858
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:08,350
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

859
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:10,430
Speaker 1: People used to make fun of me collecting art. You

860
00:36:10,469 --> 00:36:12,509
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? They're like, you spending all that

861
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:13,610
Speaker 1: type of money on art.

862
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:15,660
Speaker 2: But it's not depreciating.

863
00:36:15,969 --> 00:36:16,459
Speaker 1: Nah.

864
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's a good thing. What Basquiat you got?

865
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: Don't they got a John Gotti Basquiat? That's the one

866
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,100
Speaker 2: I think I would get.

867
00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:25,130
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one in a minute.

868
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:27,969
Speaker 7: I think there's a John Basquiat, John Gotti Basquiat. That

869
00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:29,150
Speaker 7: would be the first one I would get.

870
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:33,170
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's so many, like Basquiat is definitely top,

871
00:36:33,610 --> 00:36:36,820
Speaker 1: but there's so many people, you know what I'm saying?

872
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: Well, let me know, because I just know Basquiat.

873
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,540
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got, you know, we got Derrick Adams,

874
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: who's amazing, from New York.

875
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: How much a piece from him will cost? Like, what

876
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,670
Speaker 2: was the most... You expect 100, 200, 300?

877
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:53,950
Speaker 1: Derrick, you know, these guys are in museums. These guys are,

878
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:59,510
Speaker 1: you know, they the head of the table. I don't

879
00:36:59,530 --> 00:37:00,989
Speaker 1: want to quote his price in case he wanted to

880
00:37:01,010 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: change it. Got you.

881
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:03,819
Speaker 4: But it's up there.

882
00:37:03,860 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: It's up there. It's for sure.

883
00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:05,739
Speaker 4: Got you.

884
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: It's in the hundreds. But, you know, for me, it's priceless.

885
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, how do you put

886
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: a number on something you can't do?

887
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:13,980
Speaker 4: Right?

888
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: Like, what you guys do is priceless. What we do

889
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,370
Speaker 1: is priceless. Now, there is... an interaction that happens. So

890
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:24,029
Speaker 1: like when we buy art, we don't say that, we

891
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:26,529
Speaker 1: don't feel like we own the art. We don't feel

892
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:28,710
Speaker 1: like we even buying the art. We feel more like

893
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:31,490
Speaker 1: it's a welcome to the family. You know what I'm saying?

894
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:34,529
Speaker 1: Because like the world just feel that anything that's with

895
00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:37,190
Speaker 1: the artists, it could be purchased and they could own.

896
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:39,210
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? There's just something about that

897
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:41,290
Speaker 1: that I've seen from traveling the world that a lot

898
00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:43,629
Speaker 1: of people had that same concept. Like, oh, I could

899
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:47,350
Speaker 1: buy J.O. Verso. I could buy a Mary V. That's nothing. Like, nah.

900
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:48,089
Speaker 4: I know what you're saying.

901
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:51,009
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's like that thing. And

902
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:53,100
Speaker 1: I see it in the art world, too. Because I

903
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,739
Speaker 1: curated an art fair at one time before we had

904
00:37:56,820 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: our own. And I just loaned my works, some of

905
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: the works in the collection, to the fair. And the

906
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,020
Speaker 1: illest part was nothing was for sale that I put

907
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,730
Speaker 1: on loan. And people wanted it even more. You know

908
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? They just couldn't understand that they couldn't

909
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: buy that shit that they were seeing right there in

910
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: front of them when they feel that all artists are

911
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: for sale and arts for sale. Sometimes it's not available.

912
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,859
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's making it not

913
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,740
Speaker 1: available sometimes.

914
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: What's the most you ever spent on? Because I know

915
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:28,620
Speaker 2: you're heavy in the art.

916
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: What's it?

917
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:31,380
Speaker 1: Millions, man. Millions.

918
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:33,569
Speaker 2: Because one Basquiat could cost me what?

919
00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:35,219
Speaker 1: Millions.

920
00:38:35,489 --> 00:38:37,390
Speaker 2: Like $ 1 million for Basquiat?

921
00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:38,270
Speaker 4: Millions, man.

922
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:42,610
Speaker 1: Name me one Basquiat you got. A million dollar Basquiat

923
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:44,730
Speaker 1: is like this. Literally.

924
00:38:45,110 --> 00:38:47,810
Speaker 4: A million dollar one is little.

925
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:53,969
Speaker 1: The Basquiat train is gone, man. Those are 30s and

926
00:38:54,270 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: 40s and 50s. I would recommend the youth and our

927
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,900
Speaker 1: people to definitely look up and know who Basquiat is

928
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:07,930
Speaker 1: because Coming from Brooklyn, changing the game like what he

929
00:39:07,969 --> 00:39:15,509
Speaker 1: did is amazing. But he's gone, man. That's like trying

930
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:18,810
Speaker 1: to catch the Mona Lisa back. You know what I mean? Right, right, right.

931
00:39:18,989 --> 00:39:21,819
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But there are a lot

932
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:27,060
Speaker 1: of up-and-coming artists that's super cool. And we built the

933
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,509
Speaker 1: whole collection off of artists being who they are before

934
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:34,860
Speaker 1: they was there. Right? So you don't want to catch

935
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: who's the hottest right now. You know what I'm saying?

936
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: It's probably too late. You want to catch who that

937
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: artist is collecting. You know what I'm saying? And then

938
00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: you can catch like some masterpieces as well, but that's

939
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,969
Speaker 1: up to you. But building the whole collection, should be

940
00:39:49,989 --> 00:39:52,569
Speaker 1: what you feel from your heart, one. And it should

941
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,430
Speaker 1: be from somebody that's up and coming so you can

942
00:39:54,469 --> 00:39:57,790
Speaker 1: grow with them also. So it's like, yo, the Basquiat

943
00:39:57,790 --> 00:40:00,210
Speaker 1: 50 million, but imagine you bought it at 20,000. And

944
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:04,140
Speaker 1: then y'all took that whole ride to 50 million. That's

945
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: a different type of feeling.

946
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,899
Speaker 2: I know what you mean.

947
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Because I was.

948
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 7: Going to ask you, who do you think is the

949
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,580
Speaker 7: new Basquiat and the new all guys coming?

950
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Well, there's only one Basquiat. You know what I'm saying?

951
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,290
Speaker 1: I think artists are the new themselves. And there's a lot,

952
00:40:21,469 --> 00:40:22,690
Speaker 1: there's so many, bro.

953
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:24,330
Speaker 4: Dope artists on the come up.

954
00:40:24,430 --> 00:40:28,630
Speaker 1: It's so many people worldwide. You know what I'm saying?

955
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:31,330
Speaker 1: There's so many people that's on the come up. And

956
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:36,910
Speaker 1: we're going to start presenting these artists as well. I'm

957
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: trying to think if it's a newsletter or a way

958
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,259
Speaker 1: because our people actually don't know how to get in

959
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,339
Speaker 1: contact with those. At all.

960
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

961
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: Who those artists are, who they could trust. And I

962
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: remember that because when I first started collecting... it was

963
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,739
Speaker 1: actually for like the wrong reasons. Like I was collecting them,

964
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: like when Clive Davis came to the crib and he

965
00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:58,730
Speaker 1: would look at me different than just being some.

966
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:59,489
Speaker 4: Yeah, to show off.

967
00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:00,149
Speaker 3: Nigga from the back.

968
00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:01,930
Speaker 4: I'm showing off.

969
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:04,989
Speaker 2: Yo, how much is that piece? 52 million I paid

970
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:06,390
Speaker 2: for this Bosque out here.

971
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,230
Speaker 1: It's to show off.

972
00:41:08,290 --> 00:41:10,510
Speaker 2: That's what I would do it for. That's what I'm

973
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:11,069
Speaker 2: looking at.

974
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: It, yeah. So when I renegotiated my deals, they was right.

975
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,820
Speaker 1: He seen I got a Sam Francis, a Chagall, a Mero,

976
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,750
Speaker 1: a Dali, You know what I'm saying? Like, and.

977
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:23,750
Speaker 6: But I do business with him a certain kind of way.

978
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:26,590
Speaker 1: This guy knows... Yeah, nah, nah. He's different. This guy

979
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:28,910
Speaker 1: is different. You know what I'm saying? It actually worked.

980
00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:30,170
Speaker 1: But I realized that.

981
00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:35,330
Speaker 7: I don't even know half the names you said.

982
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:36,830
Speaker 1: Yeah.

983
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:37,670
Speaker 4: That's funny.

984
00:41:37,690 --> 00:41:40,330
Speaker 1: But the thing with those names is I didn't really

985
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:42,629
Speaker 1: connect with them. You know what I'm saying? I just

986
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: connected with, like, just the names of it. You know

987
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:50,220
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? It's just like, just wearing a jacket,

988
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: just because the name.

989
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,460
Speaker 6: And- Just because it's Dio, just because it's Bendy and

990
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:54,779
Speaker 6: Lil Guy, cool.

991
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: But now you go connect with public school and you

992
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: sitting down with them brothers and you having a different conversation,

993
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:07,910
Speaker 1: that felt better to me. So collecting living artists felt

994
00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:11,290
Speaker 1: better to me than artists that wasn't around. My kids

995
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:13,490
Speaker 1: know most of all the artists in the collection. They come,

996
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:17,049
Speaker 1: stay at our properties. We go to their studios. It's

997
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:19,450
Speaker 1: like a community. You know what I'm saying? So I

998
00:42:19,489 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: encourage people to collect living artists. It's just, and you

999
00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: get to help that artist while they're here and have

1000
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:26,020
Speaker 1: a relationship.

1001
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,180
Speaker 7: And you watch it come up from 20,000 to 50,000.

1002
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: Everybody's celebrating at that point.

1003
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: Now, how was it.

1004
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,700
Speaker 6: Coming up in the game as D & Y Nephew?

1005
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,910
Speaker 4: How was that? Cause you know, I got my personal

1006
00:42:38,989 --> 00:42:41,670
Speaker 4: relationships with them brothers as well. So how was it

1007
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:42,290
Speaker 4: coming in the.

1008
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,700
Speaker 3: Game, his dating nephews?

1009
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,180
Speaker 4: I always tell you, D saved my life. Shout out

1010
00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:51,140
Speaker 4: to D and Y, them niggas saved my life.

1011
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,420
Speaker 6: They gave me a whole opportunity to even do this

1012
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: music shit, man. I was on the run for allegedly

1013
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:58,250
Speaker 6: a shoot and then D didn't care. That got him

1014
00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:58,870
Speaker 6: more excited.

1015
00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:01,610
Speaker 4: He ain't care. Like, bro, yeah, that's all right. Come on,

1016
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,260
Speaker 4: let's go, nigga.

1017
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: He didn't care.

1018
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 6: So how was it for you just growing up with

1019
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 6: them getting in the whole music business, man?

1020
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: It was fun, you know, to see your heroes be

1021
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,060
Speaker 1: other people's heroes.

1022
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: Definitely.

1023
00:43:13,739 --> 00:43:15,980
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, usually in your family,

1024
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,459
Speaker 1: your heroes are your heroes. That don't pertain to other people.

1025
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,420
Speaker 1: That's like your personal thing. But to see that they

1026
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,739
Speaker 1: have the same amount of love outside as they do

1027
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,219
Speaker 1: inside the Dean family, to me was very inspiring. And

1028
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,989
Speaker 1: it shaped who I am today. Even going from my grandfather,

1029
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:44,350
Speaker 1: Imam Shamsuddin, who's very strict Muslim, very strict, led the way,

1030
00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:47,510
Speaker 1: managed Muhammad Ali, the whole thing. You know what I'm saying?

1031
00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:54,110
Speaker 1: My family bloodline has been strong since day one. My grandfather-

1032
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,730
Speaker 1: and grandmother, you know, they helped build Moss No. 7,

1033
00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:04,950
Speaker 1: you know, in Harlem. Still under the family as we

1034
00:44:04,989 --> 00:44:09,870
Speaker 1: speak today. And just, you know, just being honorable and

1035
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:12,350
Speaker 1: watching those brothers be honorable because, like, even as a

1036
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: grown man today, I have protocols and responsibilities that I

1037
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: have to do being that I'm a part of the

1038
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Dean family.

1039
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:20,739
Speaker 6: Right.

1040
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm the oldest grandson of the Dean family. So,

1041
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: all the responsibilities, you know, I'm being watched in a

1042
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: major way. And I think more men, especially more men

1043
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,660
Speaker 1: of color, supposed to be held accountable for their actions

1044
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,549
Speaker 1: because your actions could affect your whole bloodline. You understand? So,

1045
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:42,950
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate DNY for pulling me from the

1046
00:44:42,969 --> 00:44:47,950
Speaker 1: street life and almost making it a violation for me

1047
00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: stepping out on that type of timing because they did

1048
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:53,500
Speaker 1: that already. And they seen a vision in me to

1049
00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: like be where I'm sitting at right now. You know

1050
00:44:55,780 --> 00:45:02,530
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Globally known, clean slate, no weak shit

1051
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:04,390
Speaker 1: on my name. You know what I'm saying? And so

1052
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:07,350
Speaker 1: those are like the values that I grew up with

1053
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:10,870
Speaker 1: and it was definitely tough. You know what I'm saying?

1054
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:15,270
Speaker 1: But we need that as men. Like we need somebody

1055
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:19,770
Speaker 1: that's going to punch you in your face. and rumble

1056
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:21,370
Speaker 1: with you if you violate him.

1057
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:22,350
Speaker 4: Right?

1058
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:24,940
Speaker 1: Because if you get that inside, you're going to watch

1059
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:28,460
Speaker 1: your manners outside too. Right? And I treat people with respect.

1060
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather help you than hurt you. You know what

1061
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying? But sometimes, you know, that's out of our hands,

1062
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:38,950
Speaker 1: but we train to help people more than to hurt people,

1063
00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:42,690
Speaker 1: which is why, you know, D is a legend. Y

1064
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:46,180
Speaker 1: is a legend. It wasn't because of people that got

1065
00:45:46,219 --> 00:45:47,940
Speaker 1: put in bad situations, it was the people that they

1066
00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: helped from bad situations. You know what I'm saying? And

1067
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,020
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I like to double down on because,

1068
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:57,260
Speaker 1: you know, the street side of it is the street

1069
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,110
Speaker 1: side of it. Like, there's, you know, today there's 14-year-olds

1070
00:46:01,469 --> 00:46:05,469
Speaker 1: that put in that same type of work. It's nothing, right?

1071
00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:08,930
Speaker 1: But to help people and to be honorable and to

1072
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:12,290
Speaker 1: even help them 14-year-olds from having to put in that work,

1073
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:15,370
Speaker 1: that's a whole different bracket. You know what I'm saying?

1074
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: And so, From then, from them doing it to me,

1075
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,540
Speaker 1: I see them still doing it to the youth.

1076
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,469
Speaker 6: We was talking about that the other day. D still

1077
00:46:22,510 --> 00:46:25,049
Speaker 6: on the block helping these kids. That's why he even

1078
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:29,650
Speaker 6: do the podcast. He was telling me like, he out

1079
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 6: there stopping so many situations that could be out there.

1080
00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:33,940
Speaker 4: Going left still to this day.

1081
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: And when he don't got to be, he could be

1082
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,739
Speaker 6: chilling in his big house, chilling, but he choose to be,

1083
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,860
Speaker 6: I know he didn't even know we was going to

1084
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:42,430
Speaker 6: talk about this, but he choose to be in the hood,

1085
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:46,009
Speaker 6: stopping these situations, really helping these young kids and not

1086
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:48,770
Speaker 6: even looking for no credit for it. Robby mad me

1087
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:51,989
Speaker 6: and Swizz talk about it now, but that's what he's doing.

1088
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: Out there every day too. Dedicated to it, man.

1089
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:57,580
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at Rough Riders, what y'all

1090
00:46:57,620 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: created was a dynasty. And I mean, y'all came at

1091
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: a time where you had cash money. Like I told you,

1092
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: I remember me and 50 opening up for the cash

1093
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,969
Speaker 2: money Rough Riders tour. These guys was big, way ahead

1094
00:47:09,989 --> 00:47:10,530
Speaker 2: of our time.

1095
00:47:10,989 --> 00:47:13,049
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? So seeing Lil Wayne as

1096
00:47:13,090 --> 00:47:15,710
Speaker 7: a kid, you seeing DMX, you seeing Eve, I'm seeing

1097
00:47:15,810 --> 00:47:18,420
Speaker 7: all that. being on this tour. You didn't know who

1098
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 7: I was at that time.

1099
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:19,860
Speaker 2: I was a nobody.

1100
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:21,140
Speaker 4: I'm coming in there.

1101
00:47:21,219 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 7: I'm just 50s hype man at that time. But I've

1102
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 7: seen these guys build dynasties that last years to be

1103
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,980
Speaker 7: a part of hip hop and have a DMX, a LOX,

1104
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,180
Speaker 7: a EVE, Swiss Beats. You're a major part of that dynasty.

1105
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,050
Speaker 7: How did it even start?

1106
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:38,030
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, The Rough Ride Dynasty?

1107
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:38,370
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1108
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:38,890
Speaker 2: How did it even start?

1109
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:40,930
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, It started with my Uncle Juan, for sure.

1110
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:45,009
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Still to this day, we

1111
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:49,370
Speaker 1: got hundreds of chapters. Started from the streets one, and

1112
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:51,170
Speaker 1: then it went to the bike life. You know what

1113
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:54,089
Speaker 1: I'm saying? So, you know, even right now we got,

1114
00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:57,750
Speaker 1: I can't even count the many riders. You know what

1115
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:58,150
Speaker 1: I'm saying?

1116
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:59,969
Speaker 4: Still to this day. Still.

1117
00:47:59,989 --> 00:48:04,500
Speaker 1: Still. Chapters, Pandus, my grandmother. You know, my grandmother, you know,

1118
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: she's serious. She run all the chapters, my grandmother.

1119
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: Wow.

1120
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: And she named Rough Riders. You know what I mean?

1121
00:48:11,219 --> 00:48:13,500
Speaker 1: She harder, I'm sorry fellas.

1122
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: She harder than all of them. She harder than everybody.

1123
00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: She harder than D-Y all of them. Got you, got you. D-Y,

1124
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: my grand, she harder than all of them.

1125
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: Got you, got you. You know what I mean?

1126
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: I remember one time, I remember one time somebody did something, she's,

1127
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,700
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what I could say, but anyway,

1128
00:48:34,739 --> 00:48:36,459
Speaker 1: she was like, she was so mad at them.

1129
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: She was like, they did what?

1130
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Where they at now? And y'all ain't, oh, y'all niggas

1131
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,260
Speaker 1: getting soft.

1132
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,140
Speaker 4: Oh, I see where Dick getting from here. Because that

1133
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,819
Speaker 4: sounds just like that nigga right there. Yo.

1134
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,020
Speaker 1: Shout out to the boss, Granny Sandra.

1135
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,660
Speaker 4: That's right.

1136
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:57,419
Speaker 1: She's not playing no games. I'm telling you, like, she

1137
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: on your bumper, you in bad shape.

1138
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: I'm in bad shape.

1139
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: You in bad shape.

1140
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: You in trouble.

1141
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: She the one back in the day, she was like,

1142
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:07,589
Speaker 1: Somebody did what? Oh, no, let's go. No, we got

1143
00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:08,300
Speaker 1: to finish it up.

1144
00:49:08,739 --> 00:49:10,020
Speaker 4: Definitely.

1145
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,339
Speaker 1: She come from that different side. But why I had

1146
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:17,969
Speaker 1: a vision? Because once again, going back to my grandfather,

1147
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:19,890
Speaker 1: he's the E-man.

1148
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:22,830
Speaker 4: He was managing Muhammad Ali for a minute.

1149
00:49:22,850 --> 00:49:22,969
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1150
00:49:22,989 --> 00:49:23,690
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1151
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:28,569
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But being that he was the E-man and

1152
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,009
Speaker 1: my uncles and them doing what they was doing in

1153
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the streets, it was clashing.

1154
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:32,460
Speaker 6: Right.

1155
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So it was a big

1156
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: meeting that was had that I had to move to

1157
00:49:37,739 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: another place and this had to. They had to switch

1158
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,420
Speaker 1: up and that's what forced, well not forced them, but

1159
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: maybe forced them. My grandpa was serious. It just made

1160
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:53,299
Speaker 1: them switch up the strategy. Go legit. You know what

1161
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,069
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Go legit. And so that's how Rough Riders

1162
00:49:57,090 --> 00:50:01,930
Speaker 1: started with Y. And then D came from another side

1163
00:50:01,950 --> 00:50:05,170
Speaker 1: of it, from the street part of it to support

1164
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:07,590
Speaker 1: his brother. But D had a great air and still do.

1165
00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:10,819
Speaker 1: D was there for many of the sessions. So they,

1166
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, Wild was good with making the big 40,000

1167
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,250
Speaker 1: feet plays. And D was great with keeping everything managed

1168
00:50:18,489 --> 00:50:19,810
Speaker 1: on the ground. You know what I'm saying? Cause D

1169
00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:22,819
Speaker 1: was fly. All the artists at State fly. He knew

1170
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,810
Speaker 1: how to dress. made everybody look presentable. You know what

1171
00:50:25,830 --> 00:50:28,109
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Y's more like, put the hoodies on, let's

1172
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:30,010
Speaker 1: get the dogs, fuck them. You know what I'm saying?

1173
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:32,740
Speaker 4: Y was super militant.

1174
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,299
Speaker 1: He still to this day thinks he's running the army.

1175
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? He swear he's running the army.

1176
00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:44,350
Speaker 1: I'm like, Y, chill. Super militant. Everywhere, 300 bikes pulling up.

1177
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,210
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you know he's just going to the store, right?

1178
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:48,910
Speaker 6: Organizing mad trips for niggas to go to see niggas

1179
00:50:48,969 --> 00:50:49,730
Speaker 6: at the jails.

1180
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:52,290
Speaker 4: All type of shit. While I was real organized.

1181
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:56,780
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not only like they marketed just the music.

1182
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 7: They marketed the motorcycles, the clothing. People was buying Rough

1183
00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:03,780
Speaker 7: Riders merch at that time. It was selling as much

1184
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 7: as Diddy's stuff and Jay and everybody else. Rough Riders apparel,

1185
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 7: a thousand bikes. How was it when DMX passed though?

1186
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,750
Speaker 7: I know that really hit you hard.

1187
00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:16,430
Speaker 1: I still don't like it. You know what I'm saying?

1188
00:51:16,489 --> 00:51:20,029
Speaker 1: Losing a loved one, losing a king, he just was

1189
00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:22,610
Speaker 1: too young. You know what I'm saying? He was too young,

1190
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:26,660
Speaker 1: but he did also go through a lot in his life.

1191
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:29,340
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I've seen him since I

1192
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: met him in pain, even with the fame. He's just

1193
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:37,430
Speaker 1: always had certain pain because, you know, he just dealt

1194
00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:39,230
Speaker 1: with a lot of trauma. You know what I mean?

1195
00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:41,910
Speaker 1: Like a lot of kids that grew up in a situation,

1196
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:44,250
Speaker 1: in a juvenile situation, they go through a lot of

1197
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:47,350
Speaker 1: traumas that the right people and the right guidance is

1198
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:49,989
Speaker 1: probably not in front of them at that time. And

1199
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:52,609
Speaker 1: then a lot of people that you love burn you

1200
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: as well. And so, you know, he was holding on

1201
00:51:56,739 --> 00:51:58,969
Speaker 1: to a lot of those different things. which made him

1202
00:52:00,010 --> 00:52:03,830
Speaker 1: perform and write with so much passion. Cause everything he

1203
00:52:03,850 --> 00:52:05,190
Speaker 1: was talking about was like, for real.

1204
00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:06,810
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? He put his life into

1205
00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:08,330
Speaker 4: the music for real. For real.

1206
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:10,770
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like made

1207
00:52:10,810 --> 00:52:13,130
Speaker 1: up characters. Like even when he was doing Damien and

1208
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:15,410
Speaker 1: changing his voice, he was just talking about another side

1209
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: of himself.

1210
00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: Right.

1211
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Right. But he was still.

1212
00:52:18,219 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: Having that conversation with his self for real.

1213
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:21,620
Speaker 3: Like for real.

1214
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,940
Speaker 1: Facts. But you know, I see like, you know, with me,

1215
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:27,830
Speaker 1: it's going to always be all always positivity when it

1216
00:52:27,850 --> 00:52:31,420
Speaker 1: comes to the dog. Because I actually know who he is.

1217
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,500
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And X, he just was

1218
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,910
Speaker 1: very simple. If he liked you, he fucked with you.

1219
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:42,450
Speaker 1: If he didn't, he didn't. It wasn't no in between,

1220
00:52:42,469 --> 00:52:44,550
Speaker 1: this and that. That's how he was.

1221
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:46,290
Speaker 7: I was in the studio when you hear him say

1222
00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:49,529
Speaker 7: lines like, protected by a viper, stand back. Because it

1223
00:52:49,550 --> 00:52:52,489
Speaker 7: was like, when DMX came with the first.

1224
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Shit, get at me, dog. It was just like, how.

1225
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 4: The fuck he even doing that?

1226
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,859
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

1227
00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I never said he was sane.

1228
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: Right, right. I never said he was sane. I never

1229
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:03,100
Speaker 4: said he was sane.

1230
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,250
Speaker 1: Like, he really liked that commercial from the car joint. Like,

1231
00:53:08,570 --> 00:53:10,050
Speaker 1: Detective by Viper, stand back.

1232
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:11,860
Speaker 6: He said he just liked the commercial so much he

1233
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,660
Speaker 6: figured a way to incorporate that shit in the music.

1234
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,420
Speaker 7: Yeah, because when you heard Get At Me Dog, it's

1235
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 7: the first time you hear the nigga barking on the record,

1236
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,220
Speaker 7: but I remember that beat was so, did you produce

1237
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 7: that one?

1238
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:22,180
Speaker 2: Or no?

1239
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:22,660
Speaker 1: Nah.

1240
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:24,459
Speaker 2: Who produced that one, Get At Me Dog?

1241
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,180
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dane Grease.

1242
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: I remember when that shit dropped, it was just like, yo,

1243
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: who the fuck is this.

1244
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,739
Speaker 1: Nigga, bro? Nah, when I heard that record, man, I

1245
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,460
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they ass in trouble now. Because imagine

1246
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,390
Speaker 1: just being on the leash so long and everything was

1247
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:46,690
Speaker 1: just sweet. And it's just like, yo, when we get

1248
00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:50,109
Speaker 1: off this leash, we going to eat all that food

1249
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:52,969
Speaker 1: right there. And they not feeding you, by the way.

1250
00:53:53,610 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: And the food is right there. So it was like

1251
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: when they let us loose, it was just, it wasn't

1252
00:53:57,860 --> 00:54:00,140
Speaker 1: nothing to talk about. It was just, it was records.

1253
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,830
Speaker 4: That record was popping and then you came and motherfucking stopped. Drop,

1254
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:09,310
Speaker 4: shut up now, open up shop. What was that feeling like?

1255
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:10,830
Speaker 3: I know we was just talking the other day.

1256
00:54:10,850 --> 00:54:12,109
Speaker 6: You told me that's one of the records you can't

1257
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:14,670
Speaker 6: even really listen to like that because of, you know,

1258
00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:17,510
Speaker 6: the whole situation, damn it. But how was that feeling

1259
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:19,270
Speaker 6: with that record and at that time?

1260
00:54:19,350 --> 00:54:20,130
Speaker 3: Like, sheesh.

1261
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:23,870
Speaker 1: Well, that record wasn't easy to get done. You know

1262
00:54:23,890 --> 00:54:26,089
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I got kicked out of New

1263
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:28,770
Speaker 1: York and then I moved to Atlanta. So I made

1264
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:29,890
Speaker 1: Stop Drop in Atlanta.

1265
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:30,900
Speaker 4: And, um.

1266
00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:34,110
Speaker 1: And that's why the bounce of that beat.

1267
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:35,450
Speaker 4: You had the Melanin niggas hype now.

1268
00:54:35,469 --> 00:54:42,259
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, see, Swiss came and did that in the A, nigga.

1269
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:47,420
Speaker 1: The A was a big part of my career. I'm

1270
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: not going to lie. The A saved my life. I

1271
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,940
Speaker 1: don't know if I would have made it staying in

1272
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: New York, the way I was moving and how everything

1273
00:54:57,980 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: was just dropping around me just because, you know when

1274
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,810
Speaker 1: it gets to that point where you started off as kids,

1275
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:10,750
Speaker 1: now you getting a little older, now everybody changed. You

1276
00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:12,930
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, you know when the whole

1277
00:55:12,989 --> 00:55:16,310
Speaker 1: hood just changed and it's just like, who did what

1278
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:21,700
Speaker 1: to who? Damn, who got, what, he laying outside now?

1279
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:24,420
Speaker 1: It started becoming like that every day, like, you know

1280
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And then now you have to change

1281
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: as a person, right? So, you know, we growing up

1282
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,180
Speaker 1: in this situation, to where we just walking to the park.

1283
00:55:34,219 --> 00:55:36,430
Speaker 1: Now you gotta walk to the park. And now you

1284
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,210
Speaker 1: gotta be like this, and now you gotta be like that.

1285
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:39,669
Speaker 1: And now you gotta- And you.

1286
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:41,390
Speaker 4: Don't know where it's coming from. I thought he was cool,

1287
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:42,529
Speaker 4: he not cool no more.

1288
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:47,430
Speaker 1: It started getting super tricky. And so a lot of

1289
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:52,350
Speaker 1: situations jumped off, and I felt like I hated that

1290
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:54,370
Speaker 1: I was going to Atlanta. I thought I was moving

1291
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:57,310
Speaker 1: to a farm. I ain't never been to Atlanta. You

1292
00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:59,500
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You from the Bronx. They talking about, nah,

1293
00:55:59,610 --> 00:56:01,569
Speaker 1: you can't come back to school. And I'm like, And

1294
00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:05,390
Speaker 1: my stepfather got a transfer with the post office. And

1295
00:56:05,489 --> 00:56:08,550
Speaker 1: he like, we got to transfer to Atlanta. I'm like, what?

1296
00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you like, man. That was the first time

1297
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: I seen gangs. You know what I'm saying? The first

1298
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: time I seen gangs was going to, I went to

1299
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,060
Speaker 1: Stone Mountain. You know, I was reading. And when you

1300
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: walk in, everybody's standing on the wall. Right? So I

1301
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:26,259
Speaker 1: didn't know why people were standing on the walls. I'm

1302
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: sitting down. Come over there, man. You can't sit down

1303
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:32,230
Speaker 1: with that color on. What niggas talking about? I ain't

1304
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:36,529
Speaker 1: even going to lie, I was on a different type

1305
00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: of time.

1306
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:39,020
Speaker 2: Rob Markman I know you was like, what the fuck

1307
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,660
Speaker 2: I done got myself into?

1308
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:44,259
Speaker 1: Rob Markman I was like, what? But it wasn't, it

1309
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,020
Speaker 1: didn't feel, I felt like a joke. I'm not going

1310
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: to lie. You know what I'm saying? Because a person

1311
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,620
Speaker 1: at that time pressing you- Rob Markman By the color.

1312
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: I know you like- Rob Markman I just didn't even

1313
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,380
Speaker 1: understand what was happening.

1314
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:55,820
Speaker 4: I'm 15.

1315
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You know, I always knew

1316
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,180
Speaker 1: that that was like more of a West Coast thing.

1317
00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:04,420
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And even then, growing up

1318
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: in New York, we never really knew about Bloods and

1319
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,569
Speaker 1: Crips like that. Growing up in the hoods, we never seen,

1320
00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:13,750
Speaker 1: we had Crews, we had the Blocks. But I never

1321
00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:16,910
Speaker 1: seen nobody rag up and have a problem because of

1322
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:19,010
Speaker 1: these two colors in my particular hood. You know what

1323
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:23,050
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And so, another dude came up and then

1324
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:24,310
Speaker 1: we just had to get it popping. You know what

1325
00:57:24,330 --> 00:57:26,790
Speaker 1: I'm saying? That's how I spent my first day. And then,

1326
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: The Atlanta experience, it started off like that. And I

1327
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,050
Speaker 1: was trying to get shit back to New York. I'm

1328
00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:36,130
Speaker 1: trying to go back. I don't mind being back. I

1329
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:38,450
Speaker 1: didn't care. I was like, you know, maybe this is

1330
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:41,510
Speaker 1: going to make them have to go back. But thank

1331
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:44,950
Speaker 1: God that, you know, all those things panned out. I

1332
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:48,430
Speaker 1: ended up going from the street energy and it went

1333
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:51,130
Speaker 1: back to the music energy and DJing. And then I

1334
00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:54,310
Speaker 1: started DJing like all the school parties and things like that.

1335
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:57,580
Speaker 1: And what I did different was, I didn't just play

1336
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,700
Speaker 1: Atlanta music, I played East Coast music, reggae music, West

1337
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: Coast music, and Atlanta music. I didn't know people wasn't

1338
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,100
Speaker 1: doing that. And so, all those people was coming to

1339
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: my parties. You know what I'm saying?

1340
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:09,060
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.: Oh, shit.

1341
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: And I started making a big name, and I started

1342
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: DJing at a club called Flavours. Then I DJed the Atrium.

1343
00:58:15,740 --> 00:58:18,020
Speaker 1: These are iconic places. You know what I'm saying? DJ Soul-

1344
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,370
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1345
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:19,340
Speaker 2: How old was you at that time?

1346
00:58:19,340 --> 00:58:19,450
Speaker 1: 15, 16?

1347
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:19,510
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1348
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:20,030
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1349
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Damn.

1350
00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:20,970
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1351
00:58:21,070 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1352
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:25,500
Speaker 1: But then I started going to the Pat rallies where

1353
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: they was doing all these chants and the bands and

1354
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: all these different things. Cause I ain't never make it

1355
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 1: to none of the band joints.

1356
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,140
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

1357
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I ain't go to no proms. I missed out on

1358
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:37,910
Speaker 1: all that.

1359
00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:38,490
Speaker 4: So then that sound.

1360
00:58:38,550 --> 00:58:38,700
Speaker 6: What? Oh.

1361
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:38,860
Speaker 1: Whoa.

1362
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:39,010
Speaker 4: Oh.

1363
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:57,610
Speaker 1: That's like a Atlanta bounce. That's not like a boom bap.

1364
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:59,750
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I said that whole

1365
00:58:59,810 --> 00:59:03,450
Speaker 1: story to High Stop Drop. High Atlanta did that.

1366
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:05,030
Speaker 4: Look at that. That's crazy.

1367
00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:08,570
Speaker 2: That's true though. That's what made it different.

1368
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:09,510
Speaker 1: Yeah. It did.

1369
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: When you really think about it.

1370
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: It sound like a whole band.

1371
00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 4: When you think about it, it was just big.

1372
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:16,380
Speaker 1: Yes.

1373
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:16,900
Speaker 4: Yes.

1374
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,140
Speaker 1: So shout out to the A for.

1375
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,710
Speaker 4: Okay, they got that one. Y'all got that one. Y'all

1376
00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:22,750
Speaker 4: motivated Swiss. Y'all got that one.

1377
00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:23,650
Speaker 2: Motivated Swiss.

1378
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:24,890
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna pump T.I.

1379
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:27,030
Speaker 4: All the way up. Y'all got that one.

1380
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:31,170
Speaker 7: Shelter Swiss and DMX and Atlanta on that one.

1381
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:31,530
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1382
00:59:31,630 --> 00:59:33,590
Speaker 7: That's crazy because I remember when that came and it

1383
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,980
Speaker 7: was like, that kind of started the motorcycle anthem.

1384
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: That was it.

1385
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was it.

1386
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:41,380
Speaker 6: Because that video was crazy and the video was crazy

1387
00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 6: for that.

1388
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,770
Speaker 1: And those are all our bikes. There wasn't no Renter,

1389
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:47,950
Speaker 1: you know how they get the cast? We was the cast.

1390
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:51,510
Speaker 6: Rough riders, people who consider themselves rough riders from everywhere,

1391
00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:55,380
Speaker 6: still to this day, but everywhere, like real talk.

1392
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,420
Speaker 1: That shot at the end when you see the whole pan,

1393
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,860
Speaker 1: that was all us. You know what I'm saying?

1394
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: Nothing rented.

1395
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:03,060
Speaker 1: Yeah, nah, that was all us.

1396
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: That video was historic.

1397
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on the stoop and the Martin, every

1398
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:11,700
Speaker 1: single car passing by. Stop, drop. I was just sitting there.

1399
01:00:11,820 --> 01:00:14,530
Speaker 1: They didn't even know I did the beat. You know

1400
01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:16,660
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I'm just looking at every car like,

1401
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,230
Speaker 1: you know that's my shit, right? People saying, yo, what's up,

1402
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,250
Speaker 1: what's up? I'm like, yo, that's my joint. They not

1403
01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:25,470
Speaker 1: even believing what I'm saying to them. And I just

1404
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:28,060
Speaker 1: was taking, I was just like, I'm still not over

1405
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:28,700
Speaker 1: that moment.

1406
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,670
Speaker 2: Rob Markman You know what, I got to ask you.

1407
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:32,110
Speaker 2: How did you feel when you seen.

1408
01:00:32,350 --> 01:00:35,050
Speaker 7: Because DMX was a worldwide artist.

1409
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:36,530
Speaker 2: He wasn't just a New York artist.

1410
01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:37,350
Speaker 4: He was worldwide.

1411
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:39,870
Speaker 2: He was doing shows overseas. He went diamond. What did

1412
01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: he sell? 11 million records? I think it was that

1413
01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:44,980
Speaker 2: La Palooza footage. Was it La Palooza?

1414
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:46,260
Speaker 1: Rob Markman No, that was Woodstock.

1415
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 7: Rob Markman Woodstock footage. And when he did that, shut

1416
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:54,490
Speaker 7: up down, open up shop. How did you feel when

1417
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:55,350
Speaker 7: you see that?

1418
01:00:56,740 --> 01:01:03,390
Speaker 1: I just remember everybody getting ready to leave the studio

1419
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:05,570
Speaker 1: to go there. And I was supposed to be there,

1420
01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:07,990
Speaker 1: but I was working on the rest of the record.

1421
01:01:09,070 --> 01:01:12,770
Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, where's everybody going? Man, some

1422
01:01:12,790 --> 01:01:14,590
Speaker 1: white boy shit. I don't know, some shit where everybody's

1423
01:01:14,650 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: on the grass and shit, you know. You know, some

1424
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:22,740
Speaker 1: shit with the white boys jumping up and down and

1425
01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:26,220
Speaker 1: on the grass. I said, you going to that? He's like, Yeah,

1426
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:27,820
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Leo and them, you know, they

1427
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: saying I was supposed to do this. Everybody saying I

1428
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:31,420
Speaker 1: was supposed to do this. That shit's like two, three

1429
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: hours away. I was like, man, I ain't going to

1430
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:35,860
Speaker 1: that shit. I know you.

1431
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 7: Regret missing that one, man. That's like the most historic

1432
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 7: footage from DMX. Yeah, I do like that footage.

1433
01:01:40,620 --> 01:01:42,500
Speaker 4: You know what? That was crazy.

1434
01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: I came back strong, though. The piece that's in back

1435
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,260
Speaker 1: of the Woodstock I own is from an artist named

1436
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Peter Max. Oh, wow. So I own the Woodstock art piece.

1437
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:52,820
Speaker 4: Oh, look at that.

1438
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:55,300
Speaker 1: That X is performing in front of the original today.

1439
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

1440
01:01:56,540 --> 01:01:58,220
Speaker 2: You was tight, you missed that one too.

1441
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,540
Speaker 4: He said, but I'ma own the moment. I'ma own, he's

1442
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:02,220
Speaker 4: in the moment.

1443
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,940
Speaker 3: I ain't mad at you, nigga.

1444
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:06,430
Speaker 2: I gotta give you that one.

1445
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:07,770
Speaker 3: That's classic right there.

1446
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:08,770
Speaker 2: Cause think about it.

1447
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:10,790
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, I did miss that performance, but you

1448
01:02:10,810 --> 01:02:11,990
Speaker 4: know what I went and did, nigga?

1449
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:13,630
Speaker 2: Knock a Swiss, Merc.

1450
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:19,030
Speaker 7: That footage is like classic hip hop footage, bro, of

1451
01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:23,430
Speaker 7: him in that performance. It looked like 500,000 people was there.

1452
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 4: Basically, it looked like it's fake, right?

1453
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 6: Because you see how AI, the way it be pushing together,

1454
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,700
Speaker 6: that shit was so dope that it damn near looked

1455
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 6: like it was fake.

1456
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,820
Speaker 4: Like, that's not real.

1457
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: But it was.

1458
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:34,860
Speaker 4: Man, it was. It was.

1459
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:38,590
Speaker 1: He came back so on one. That put a real

1460
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,690
Speaker 1: battery in his back. And mind you, he didn't want

1461
01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:42,310
Speaker 1: to do the song.

1462
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:43,410
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1463
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:45,290
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Most artists don't want to

1464
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:48,380
Speaker 1: do the songs that change their life. Like, I witnessed

1465
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: that many, many times. Like, as a producer, most songs

1466
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,420
Speaker 1: I would give an artist, they don't want to do

1467
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,550
Speaker 1: the song. You know what I'm saying? Like, Touch It

1468
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:59,830
Speaker 1: was for Eve.

1469
01:03:01,030 --> 01:03:01,910
Speaker 4: Wow, look at that.

1470
01:03:01,950 --> 01:03:04,410
Speaker 1: Bring Him Out was for Beanie Segu, because he was

1471
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:05,070
Speaker 1: getting out of prison.

1472
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:07,230
Speaker 2: Bring Him Out, Bring Him Out. Oh, my God.

1473
01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:10,010
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then we had to force T.I. to do

1474
01:03:10,050 --> 01:03:12,430
Speaker 1: Bring Him Out. I gave him, like, five other beats

1475
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:15,910
Speaker 1: that he liked, and I was just like, yo, just

1476
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:20,430
Speaker 1: try this one track. Because I knew that like T.I. was,

1477
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:23,450
Speaker 1: he had the skill to cross over to this side

1478
01:03:24,090 --> 01:03:26,690
Speaker 1: and to be on a different bounce. Although he was

1479
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:29,810
Speaker 1: just in his trap mentality at that time. And he

1480
01:03:29,850 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: did bring him out like how X did stop drop.

1481
01:03:33,580 --> 01:03:35,100
Speaker 1: They did that as a, all right, fuck it, let

1482
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: me just get over with. You know what I'm saying?

1483
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: X lost a bet. That's how he lost a bet

1484
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,700
Speaker 1: to D. That's how he did stop drop. T.I. felt

1485
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: like he was doing me a favor because I gave

1486
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:47,410
Speaker 1: him those other beats. That's how he had to bring

1487
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:49,740
Speaker 1: him out. You know what I'm saying? And Beans was

1488
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,940
Speaker 1: supposed to do that. Look at that. And Beans ain't

1489
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: take the joint.

1490
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,970
Speaker 7: Do you feel like technology take away from the experience

1491
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:58,430
Speaker 7: in the studios? Because it's like, them classic studio sessions

1492
01:03:58,510 --> 01:04:00,890
Speaker 7: back in the days. I remember the two Hit Factories,

1493
01:04:00,930 --> 01:04:01,990
Speaker 7: they had them across the street.

1494
01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:04,490
Speaker 1: It was so much- Rob Markman, Jr.: Hit Factories, Sony.

1495
01:04:04,510 --> 01:04:06,230
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah, there was so much- Rob Markman, Jr.:

1496
01:04:06,310 --> 01:04:07,590
Speaker 4: Oh my God, D used to love the little car shit.

1497
01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:08,010
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.

1498
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:08,110
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1499
01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:08,430
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1500
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:09,610
Speaker 4: That's what they used to listen to the music in

1501
01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:10,350
Speaker 4: the car. Rob Markman, Jr.: Or the room.

1502
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:10,690
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1503
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:11,610
Speaker 4: Or the room, the Sony building and the room.

1504
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:11,930
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1505
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:12,070
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1506
01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:14,330
Speaker 7: I remember the Hit Factories across the street from each other.

1507
01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:17,250
Speaker 7: It was like a classic time in hip hop. And

1508
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:20,910
Speaker 7: to be a producer like Asphia, you had to have

1509
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:22,710
Speaker 7: your weight up, bro.

1510
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:24,230
Speaker 2: You had to come with it in the session.

1511
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:24,610
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.

1512
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:26,530
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think those times is I think you're I

1513
01:04:26,550 --> 01:04:28,450
Speaker 6: think technology messed that up a little bit.

1514
01:04:28,610 --> 01:04:32,730
Speaker 1: I think people still get together in studio sessions because

1515
01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,910
Speaker 1: we can't get in our studio that we have here

1516
01:04:37,050 --> 01:04:39,630
Speaker 1: in New York ever is booked out. You know what

1517
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:42,690
Speaker 1: I'm saying? So artists do come together. I think the

1518
01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: technology is just another toy. You know what I'm saying?

1519
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: And it's just like when people ask about AI and

1520
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: all this stuff here, I was like, yo, it's just

1521
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,370
Speaker 1: another toy. We've been introduced to many toys and We've

1522
01:04:56,490 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: been here through so many different changes. It's just that

1523
01:05:00,860 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: the promotion of that change, they put billions behind.

1524
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:06,690
Speaker 4: So it feel like It feel like it's gonna take

1525
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:07,350
Speaker 4: over everything.

1526
01:05:07,390 --> 01:05:09,210
Speaker 1: It feel like you gonna wake up a robot.

1527
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:10,580
Speaker 4: You gonna wake up with a metal arm.

1528
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:11,110
Speaker 1: Damn, that overnight.

1529
01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:12,590
Speaker 3: AI just hit the day.

1530
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:15,169
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Us as black people, we

1531
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:17,650
Speaker 1: done survived all of it. We know how to adapt.

1532
01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:34,830
Speaker 1: It's gonna take more than AI and all these different

1533
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:37,810
Speaker 1: things because we figured it out. You know what I mean? Like,

1534
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:42,740
Speaker 1: we worrying about how smart the new technology is, but

1535
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,450
Speaker 1: we not even using 5% of our brains. So we

1536
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: not even at our maximum capacity of thinking in different,

1537
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,100
Speaker 1: and we still figure it out. So that's why I

1538
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: don't be worrying about like AI and this and that.

1539
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:55,220
Speaker 1: Are people going to do stupid shit? Yeah, they do

1540
01:05:55,260 --> 01:05:56,740
Speaker 1: stupid shit with everything.

1541
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,500
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?

1542
01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:01,620
Speaker 2: Swiss don't care. He made all the money already. Swiss Timberland,

1543
01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:03,510
Speaker 2: come on. A million dollars a beat.

1544
01:06:03,550 --> 01:06:04,650
Speaker 4: You want a beat?

1545
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:05,730
Speaker 2: Send your package to me.

1546
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:06,430
Speaker 3: Ten million.

1547
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:07,750
Speaker 2: That's how it was, man.

1548
01:06:08,170 --> 01:06:11,230
Speaker 7: So, I know you worked with Monica, the Osley brothers.

1549
01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:13,630
Speaker 7: Name some big names that people might not know you

1550
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:14,790
Speaker 7: worked with.

1551
01:06:14,810 --> 01:06:18,660
Speaker 4: Swiss done did it with everybody, though, man. Jay, DMX, everybody.

1552
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: Jay, DMX.

1553
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:22,590
Speaker 2: The Osley Brothers, name the list goes on.

1554
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: Metallica.

1555
01:06:23,140 --> 01:06:24,910
Speaker 4: I was about to say, it don't matter. Hold on,

1556
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:25,450
Speaker 4: hold on.

1557
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:26,650
Speaker 2: Metallica, hold on.

1558
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:31,230
Speaker 1: Metallica, Creed, Korn, Limp Bizkit. I wrote Keep Rollin', which

1559
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:33,830
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest rock songs from that era.

1560
01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:35,450
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Damn.

1561
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:37,630
Speaker 4: You wrote Keep Rollin'? Niggas ain't know that one.

1562
01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:39,170
Speaker 2: Let them keep going. Let them keep going.

1563
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:40,270
Speaker 4: What else, Swiss? What else?

1564
01:06:40,290 --> 01:06:42,930
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to tell you a story about Keep Rollin', too.

1565
01:06:42,990 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 4: All right, copy.

1566
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: I was mad as hell. I did an X move

1567
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: on that one. I ain't going to lie. I'm going

1568
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: to name some more names, but Keep rolling. I remember

1569
01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: doing keep rolling and I remember them inviting me to

1570
01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: the video and I was like, man, I can't do this.

1571
01:07:00,620 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Some rock shit. Like I can't, I'm on some rough

1572
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,820
Speaker 1: ride of energy. I don't know if I'm gonna be

1573
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: able to go to this video. So I sit out

1574
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: the video, mind you, The rock and roll budget was crazy.

1575
01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: I remember I had a $ 30, 000 per diem just for clothes.

1576
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,300
Speaker 4: Oh, shit.

1577
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: Damn.

1578
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,350
Speaker 4: That thing said $ 30, 000 per diem. That sound crazy.

1579
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:23,250
Speaker 1: I never seen that before. I never seen that still

1580
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:23,750
Speaker 1: to this day.

1581
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:24,910
Speaker 4: That sound crazy.

1582
01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:26,810
Speaker 1: I seen that on the rock side. I was like, oh,

1583
01:07:26,850 --> 01:07:29,930
Speaker 1: I like it over here. This is crazy.

1584
01:07:30,290 --> 01:07:31,850
Speaker 2: I bet. $ 30, 000 per diem?

1585
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:35,500
Speaker 1: I remember I told Hov, I was like, yo. I'm

1586
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:38,010
Speaker 1: about to be Swiss Beats in the band. This nigga said,

1587
01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:44,870
Speaker 1: I'll see you when you come back. So I go,

1588
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:47,730
Speaker 1: so to keep rolling video, I don't go to the video.

1589
01:07:48,510 --> 01:07:51,340
Speaker 1: I look at the video, everybody in the video, Snoop

1590
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:53,980
Speaker 1: in the video, this one in the video. It's more

1591
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: hip hop people in the video than I thought. I

1592
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: was like.

1593
01:07:57,820 --> 01:07:59,620
Speaker 4: I knew you like fucking played myself.

1594
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: And it was on, they shot on the top of

1595
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,540
Speaker 1: the Twin Towers when it was standing. That's crazy. That's great.

1596
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:07,260
Speaker 4: Look at that.

1597
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, Swizz, come on. Between the DMX and that one, man.

1598
01:08:10,060 --> 01:08:10,500
Speaker 3: Come on, Swizz.

1599
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,820
Speaker 2: I'm starting to get mad at these moments.

1600
01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 3: Come on, Swizz.

1601
01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:15,410
Speaker 1: Come on, bro. Come on, Swizz.

1602
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:16,370
Speaker 2: We're good.

1603
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:16,950
Speaker 1: For sure.

1604
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:17,689
Speaker 4: For sure.

1605
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:19,750
Speaker 2: I ain't mad at you.

1606
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:21,689
Speaker 4: I ain't mad at that.

1607
01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:23,490
Speaker 2: Name some more. Didn't you work with Janet before?

1608
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:24,410
Speaker 4: No? Never?

1609
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:27,010
Speaker 1: I worked with Mariah.

1610
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: Shout out to Mariah. I worked with Mariah too.

1611
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: I did my first R & B record. My first

1612
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: R & B record was Maya, Best of Me. Um,

1613
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,710
Speaker 1: Destiny Child, all the Beyonce joints, you know, the Beyonce

1614
01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:45,670
Speaker 1: joints really, really took the R & B level, like

1615
01:08:45,870 --> 01:08:49,230
Speaker 1: where we made like, you know, like the earlier ones,

1616
01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: it was more feeling like remixes. It felt like trying

1617
01:08:53,020 --> 01:08:56,340
Speaker 1: to fit into something. When I did B's records, like

1618
01:08:56,380 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: the B-Day joint that just passed, that felt like, a

1619
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,979
Speaker 1: hip hop album to me. I felt comfortable because we

1620
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: was in Sony and this is how crazy it was.

1621
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm going to work with B, boom,

1622
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm all charged, I'm in the room. You know what

1623
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,690
Speaker 1: I'm saying? I'm thinking like, she's calling me for this album,

1624
01:09:12,710 --> 01:09:14,930
Speaker 1: which she did call me for the album. So she

1625
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:17,690
Speaker 1: come downstairs and I was just like, yeah, boom, boom.

1626
01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:18,630
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, you know.

1627
01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:22,580
Speaker 1: So this is the vibe with Vibe. I said, nah.

1628
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I already had in mind what I

1629
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,180
Speaker 1: wanted to do, but be so smart. She came downstairs

1630
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:34,170
Speaker 1: and threw me way off. She was like, yeah, Rodney's

1631
01:09:34,210 --> 01:09:36,250
Speaker 1: in this room. This one's in that room. That one's

1632
01:09:36,310 --> 01:09:39,710
Speaker 1: in that room. I said, oh, it's a war.

1633
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:46,660
Speaker 4: You thought you was just there by yourself. My own session.

1634
01:09:46,979 --> 01:09:48,700
Speaker 1: This is Clash of the Titans.

1635
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:49,650
Speaker 4: It got you.

1636
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:50,729
Speaker 3: This is the gladiators.

1637
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:54,150
Speaker 7: She shut down the whole Sony, Rodney Jerkins here, Swizz here.

1638
01:09:54,510 --> 01:09:58,370
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the best writers, all the best producers in

1639
01:09:58,410 --> 01:10:00,450
Speaker 1: that studio. And it was me and Sean Gallagher. I

1640
01:10:00,450 --> 01:10:03,250
Speaker 1: looked at him. I was like, it's on. Got to go.

1641
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,100
Speaker 1: We got to go. Rodney James produced Michael Jackson. I

1642
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,860
Speaker 1: remember going in the room with him and Michael Jackson

1643
01:10:09,420 --> 01:10:10,230
Speaker 1: right upstairs.

1644
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,410
Speaker 2: Damn, you met Michael Jackson?

1645
01:10:12,570 --> 01:10:17,450
Speaker 1: Yeah. How was that like? Man, that was the last

1646
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:20,520
Speaker 1: time I met him. I met him a few times.

1647
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,820
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you brought that up. I never really...

1648
01:10:23,740 --> 01:10:25,500
Speaker 1: Me and my... You know Grady?

1649
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

1650
01:10:26,780 --> 01:10:28,420
Speaker 1: Grady my homie for like 30 years. You know what

1651
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,350
Speaker 1: I'm saying? That's my brother.

1652
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:30,150
Speaker 4: Grady, what up?

1653
01:10:30,170 --> 01:10:32,189
Speaker 1: Shout out to Grady, man. Shout out to Grady.

1654
01:10:32,210 --> 01:10:33,050
Speaker 4: Grady's my guy.

1655
01:10:33,070 --> 01:10:34,660
Speaker 1: We got to get Grady on the podcast. Of course.

1656
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,260
Speaker 1: That's a fact.

1657
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:35,820
Speaker 4: That's a fact.

1658
01:10:36,670 --> 01:10:37,729
Speaker 1: Grady, shout out to Grady.

1659
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:39,370
Speaker 2: That's why we love these stories, man.

1660
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:41,050
Speaker 1: That's why we love these stories.

1661
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:43,990
Speaker 4: Bar, OG. Bar, what's up? Bar, what's up? Bar called

1662
01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:45,670
Speaker 4: me every other week just to say what's up, man.

1663
01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:46,730
Speaker 4: That's family, man.

1664
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to knock Bar when I see him. Oh, man.

1665
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:54,620
Speaker 6: I thought Bar was going to pull up with you today.

1666
01:10:55,780 --> 01:10:57,460
Speaker 1: Look, man, he might be here now.

1667
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 4: You ain't lying. You ain't lying. You ain't lying.

1668
01:11:00,340 --> 01:11:03,940
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to hear about these Michael Jackson stories.

1669
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: Come on, bro.

1670
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: So me and Grady owned a jet company at the time.

1671
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:09,440
Speaker 3: Jack company?

1672
01:11:09,460 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1673
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: Like a plane?

1674
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,060
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1675
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:11,580
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1676
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,900
Speaker 1: Yeah. We owned a jet company.

1677
01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:16,020
Speaker 2: Told you, man. You just got to see.

1678
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:17,370
Speaker 4: This guy's real estate.

1679
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:18,650
Speaker 2: I don't even want to see the art.

1680
01:11:18,670 --> 01:11:20,430
Speaker 4: We had a jet company.

1681
01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:23,530
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was, it was a great start.

1682
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:23,870
Speaker 6: Okay.

1683
01:11:23,890 --> 01:11:25,490
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It was a great, we was,

1684
01:11:26,010 --> 01:11:28,140
Speaker 1: because like the one thing where I tell everyone is

1685
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: whatever you, whatever your main thing is, you should have

1686
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:32,300
Speaker 1: other things parallel with it.

1687
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 6: Right.

1688
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: You understand? Don't, put all your eggs in one basket.

1689
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:40,220
Speaker 1: You know, like try to like, don't be a jack

1690
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: of all trades and master of none. I'm not saying

1691
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: do that. But what I'm saying is I always had

1692
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:46,940
Speaker 1: other hustles going on at the same time, right? And

1693
01:11:46,979 --> 01:11:50,220
Speaker 1: some moving slower, some moving faster. So when your main

1694
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,380
Speaker 1: side have a timeout or you want to take a break,

1695
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,980
Speaker 1: you got other verticals that's still working for you, right?

1696
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: So I always did that this whole time. And we

1697
01:11:58,220 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: tried many things, you know, few work, few things didn't work.

1698
01:12:01,420 --> 01:12:05,769
Speaker 1: But the jet company, that wasn't really for me. Although

1699
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:07,750
Speaker 1: we had a great time doing it because of Michael Jackson.

1700
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:15,979
Speaker 1: So Michael Jackson booked, when he had his tour that

1701
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,300
Speaker 1: he was about to announce before he passed away, he

1702
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: was booking the flights through my company.

1703
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 4: Fire, look at that. So we booked.

1704
01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's last flights was through me and Grady's jet company.

1705
01:12:29,780 --> 01:12:32,270
Speaker 1: And so, and then we was about to broker a

1706
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:35,330
Speaker 1: deal Where we was getting ready to buy them, he

1707
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:37,050
Speaker 1: was going to get a Global Express. So that Global

1708
01:12:37,090 --> 01:12:38,790
Speaker 1: Express was going to come through our company as well.

1709
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:43,110
Speaker 1: The person that was representing him was a very good

1710
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:44,550
Speaker 1: friend of ours. And so that's how we got him

1711
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:48,019
Speaker 1: as a client. You know what I'm saying? So I

1712
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: guess in his deal, they was going to add a

1713
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: Global Express. So that's what we really was going to do.

1714
01:12:53,939 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were supposed to really, because.

1715
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: We would have managed the Global Express for him at

1716
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:58,540
Speaker 1: that time.

1717
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,440
Speaker 6: And so- And everybody would've wanted to jump on the jets,

1718
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,780
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson, take it, and just step there with a bitch.

1719
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:05,900
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd have been like, look, this is where Michael

1720
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,520
Speaker 1: get it from. Right. So, you know, but we lost

1721
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:11,410
Speaker 1: the legend. But the other memory, which is even crazier

1722
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:14,910
Speaker 1: than that, was that I found out that Michael had

1723
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:15,790
Speaker 1: a crush on my wife.

1724
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:17,330
Speaker 4: Get the fuck.

1725
01:13:20,150 --> 01:13:20,630
Speaker 3: Out of here.

1726
01:13:20,650 --> 01:13:20,769
Speaker 6: What?

1727
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:22,490
Speaker 1: In a cool way. Of course, of.

1728
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:23,290
Speaker 6: Course, of course.

1729
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:25,170
Speaker 1: Michael's a Virgo, so I don't know. You know, I'm

1730
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: a Virgo, so, you know. You know- Michael, you know,

1731
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,059
Speaker 1: and so I think Janet was the one that told AK,

1732
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,820
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know my brother always had

1733
01:13:36,860 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: a crush on you. And so we had the relationship

1734
01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:47,030
Speaker 1: through the jet joint. And so, I thought it was, right? So,

1735
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,390
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool to set up for her

1736
01:13:49,410 --> 01:13:52,290
Speaker 1: to meet him. You know what I'm saying? Just for

1737
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:55,310
Speaker 1: both of them to just have that moment. Of fans

1738
01:13:55,410 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: of each other. You know what I'm saying? We set

1739
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: up the meeting at the crib. We go to the house.

1740
01:14:03,460 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: Michael was so cool, bro. Like, just seeing him in

1741
01:14:06,939 --> 01:14:10,110
Speaker 1: his real element. He had his beautiful kids there. I mean,

1742
01:14:10,150 --> 01:14:14,190
Speaker 1: we brought gifts for the kids. That's dope, man. That's dope, man.

1743
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:17,769
Speaker 1: And he was just excited about going on the tour.

1744
01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:23,910
Speaker 1: You know, he was just like, yo, when I do this,

1745
01:14:24,530 --> 01:14:27,820
Speaker 1: I'm about to hit him with that. showing AK some

1746
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,140
Speaker 1: of his moves. We sitting in the living room and

1747
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 1: I could remember he had this Jamaican chef, bro.

1748
01:14:33,340 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.

1749
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:39,580
Speaker 1: Yo, she made this jerk lobster. I'm still searching for

1750
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:40,019
Speaker 1: it today.

1751
01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:43,660
Speaker 6: Jerk lobster, nigga.

1752
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,340
Speaker 2: I ain't have that.

1753
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:51,500
Speaker 1: I ain't have that. Maybe she's watching this. The chef

1754
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,620
Speaker 1: that cooked for Michael, you remember when I was at

1755
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,830
Speaker 1: the house, when we was at the house, The Jerk Lobster.

1756
01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:01,530
Speaker 1: Please locate these guys or try to hit me.

1757
01:15:01,710 --> 01:15:04,790
Speaker 2: Jerk Lobster, we didn't know. Now this is at your

1758
01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:05,750
Speaker 2: house at Wonderland.

1759
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:08,429
Speaker 1: Nah, this is in LA. This is in the hills.

1760
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: So this is the, you think that's crazy. This is crazy.

1761
01:15:12,610 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: So now I'm sitting there. The Thriller plaque is on

1762
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,590
Speaker 1: the floor. like leaning against the wall. The thriller plaque

1763
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:21,210
Speaker 1: is right there.

1764
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:23,389
Speaker 2: So Mike had thriller plaque on the floor.

1765
01:15:23,410 --> 01:15:24,750
Speaker 1: He had the thriller plaque sitting on the floor.

1766
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:25,530
Speaker 2: Not even on the wall.

1767
01:15:25,890 --> 01:15:27,990
Speaker 1: No, he had the thriller plaque sitting on the floor

1768
01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:30,310
Speaker 1: along with like some other things that was looking like

1769
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: they was rearranging that particular area. And I said to him,

1770
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:37,500
Speaker 1: I said, I said, Mike, you just got the thriller.

1771
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 3: Plaque on the floor like that?

1772
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,429
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, it's nothing. You want it?

1773
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:45,660
Speaker 4: He said, do you want it?

1774
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:47,189
Speaker 2: Did you take it?

1775
01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out.

1776
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,100
Speaker 3: Yo, Swiss, get the fuck out. Yo, come on.

1777
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,670
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on. Yo, yo.

1778
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:54,610
Speaker 2: Let me get that.

1779
01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:56,610
Speaker 1: You know I wanted it.

1780
01:15:56,710 --> 01:15:57,330
Speaker 3: Of course.

1781
01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:58,610
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

1782
01:15:58,650 --> 01:15:59,870
Speaker 4: But you didn't want to feel like you was asking.

1783
01:16:00,010 --> 01:16:01,510
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be thirsty.

1784
01:16:01,550 --> 01:16:02,229
Speaker 4: Like, all right, got you.

1785
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:05,170
Speaker 1: Like, you got to remember, like, in my mind, I'm

1786
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:06,309
Speaker 1: going to get back to that later.

1787
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,180
Speaker 4: Got you.

1788
01:16:07,780 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: We about to work on music. He want to work

1789
01:16:09,460 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: with AK. We about to produce a song together.

1790
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 4: Got you.

1791
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:15,019
Speaker 1: This our first time in his house. You know what

1792
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,580
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, you know, I got a little bit

1793
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: of manners.

1794
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 4: For a street guy.

1795
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: Right? You know I want it. I seen myself taking

1796
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 1: it when I said no.

1797
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 4: Of course.

1798
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,010
Speaker 2: Mike would have gave it to you. I stepped out

1799
01:16:27,070 --> 01:16:28,130
Speaker 2: of my body.

1800
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:29,510
Speaker 4: And took it and put it back. You said, I

1801
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:30,830
Speaker 4: took it and put it back, my nigga.

1802
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:34,310
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Right? So I was like,

1803
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:37,230
Speaker 1: he's like, you want it? I said, no, it's okay.

1804
01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:40,610
Speaker 4: Goddamn. I wish I was with you.

1805
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:41,020
Speaker 1: I bet.

1806
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:41,309
Speaker 4: I bet.

1807
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:45,099
Speaker 2: Yo, Swiss, tell me to sign that shit. That would

1808
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: have been in the art collection, man.

1809
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: Come on, bro. We didn't know Michael wasn't going to

1810
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:49,420
Speaker 1: be here.

1811
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: Of course. Definitely.

1812
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: You understand? Definitely.

1813
01:16:51,260 --> 01:16:51,860
Speaker 4: Definitely, man.

1814
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: And we was like this at this point now.

1815
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:55,860
Speaker 4: Start building that relationship for real.

1816
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: We already talking about the next time we going to connect.

1817
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: Got you.

1818
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:02,580
Speaker 1: We doing the Jets form. We was already locked in.

1819
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And I didn't want to

1820
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: look thirsty in front of my wife. She would have

1821
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,100
Speaker 1: had to understand that shit.

1822
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you would have looked thirsty getting a

1823
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:11,939
Speaker 2: thriller plaque.

1824
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,300
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wouldn't have been good.

1825
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,700
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't have been good, man.

1826
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:15,689
Speaker 4: I agree with you, yeah.

1827
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,510
Speaker 2: I agree. You wouldn't have been good.

1828
01:17:18,610 --> 01:17:20,130
Speaker 4: AK would have understood that one, man.

1829
01:17:20,170 --> 01:17:23,330
Speaker 1: Imagine you not being prepared. I'm just complimenting the plaque.

1830
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:25,130
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe he had it sitting on the floor.

1831
01:17:25,170 --> 01:17:26,179
Speaker 4: You were so thrown off.

1832
01:17:26,210 --> 01:17:27,010
Speaker 1: I was thrown off.

1833
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:28,130
Speaker 4: I got you. I got you.

1834
01:17:28,150 --> 01:17:30,810
Speaker 1: To the point where I just was like, nah, nah, nah.

1835
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:34,139
Speaker 1: I can't take that. You can not. It's like, oh,

1836
01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: it's just things, you know, it's just things. And mama,

1837
01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:40,820
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to double back. I'm going

1838
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:43,380
Speaker 1: to get at it another time. And then I was like,

1839
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:48,259
Speaker 1: I ain't never see him again. You know what I'm saying?

1840
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: And so like, we have to live in that actual,

1841
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,059
Speaker 1: in the moments. Like there's no, we don't know what

1842
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:58,429
Speaker 1: tomorrow is. You know what I'm saying? And forget the plaque,

1843
01:17:58,450 --> 01:18:01,370
Speaker 1: forget all that. But just as humans and as people, like,

1844
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:04,650
Speaker 1: tell people you love them, tell people you proud of them,

1845
01:18:05,229 --> 01:18:09,460
Speaker 1: give people hugs, squash shit that don't make real sense.

1846
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Cause like Mike was really

1847
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,979
Speaker 1: live and kicking. He didn't look weak. He didn't look sick.

1848
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:18,620
Speaker 1: He didn't look, I thought it was a lie. I

1849
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: just seen him. You know what I'm saying? So it's

1850
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: just like, I'm happy that I was able to see

1851
01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:27,890
Speaker 1: him with his kids celebrating and that goddamn lobster.

1852
01:18:28,689 --> 01:18:30,530
Speaker 4: We got to find Mike Sheffield.

1853
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:32,490
Speaker 3: We got to get that out of here.

1854
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:33,670
Speaker 2: Swiss, you know I got.

1855
01:18:33,550 --> 01:18:36,430
Speaker 7: To ask you, top five is not enough. I need

1856
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:40,530
Speaker 7: your top ten producers, man. We got to throw you

1857
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:41,350
Speaker 7: in there, of course.

1858
01:18:41,689 --> 01:18:43,130
Speaker 1: I don't got to be in it. You know what

1859
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:47,930
Speaker 1: I mean? One, I'm going to start with, there's no

1860
01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:49,910
Speaker 1: particular order, though. There's not an order? No, there's not.

1861
01:18:50,150 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: no order. There's no order. So I would start with

1862
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: who I didn't even know was a producer at that

1863
01:18:58,180 --> 01:19:02,460
Speaker 1: time that influenced me. I'm going to have to go

1864
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: with Scott LaRock. You know what I'm saying? Because when

1865
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,520
Speaker 1: he did the South Bronx, it felt like I had

1866
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: a last name. Like that was the first time I

1867
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,650
Speaker 1: felt like I came from somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,

1868
01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:18,010
Speaker 1: I'm a demon, you know, but that wasn't, that was like,

1869
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:21,170
Speaker 1: that became something different to me. You know what I'm saying? Like,

1870
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:23,250
Speaker 1: like your last name, like you're like, oh, that's my

1871
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:26,520
Speaker 1: last name. But when he said the South Bronx, the South,

1872
01:19:26,540 --> 01:19:28,140
Speaker 1: South Bronx, I'm like, that's us.

1873
01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 4: That's us for real.

1874
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: They talking to me. Hey!

1875
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

1876
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:38,500
Speaker 2: I looked at Scott LaRock as more as a DJ.

1877
01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:40,460
Speaker 2: I didn't even know he produced at South Bronx.

1878
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a producer. He worked on the T.R.A.

1879
01:19:42,620 --> 01:19:42,820
Speaker 5: To wait.

1880
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:47,110
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Then Molly Ma. Of course,

1881
01:19:47,150 --> 01:19:48,010
Speaker 1: Molly Ma. Hands down.

1882
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:48,890
Speaker 2: Queens, baby.

1883
01:19:49,010 --> 01:19:51,070
Speaker 1: Queens got that. You know what I'm saying? You know

1884
01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:57,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, the bridge. You know what I'm saying? Like,

1885
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:02,189
Speaker 1: so many joints that when I went back and started

1886
01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:04,450
Speaker 1: seeing who was doing what as a producer, because you

1887
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:07,110
Speaker 1: got to remember, like, Molly Maul seemed like a DJ too.

1888
01:20:07,330 --> 01:20:08,469
Speaker 4: Because he was a DJ.

1889
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:09,370
Speaker 1: DJ Molly Maul.

1890
01:20:09,689 --> 01:20:09,889
Speaker 4: Right?

1891
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:11,510
Speaker 1: So that's what I was trying to tell you earlier.

1892
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:15,340
Speaker 1: It was like the DJs had more presence than the producers.

1893
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: He's like, that producer shit was like that nerdy shit, man.

1894
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:18,500
Speaker 4: Niggas like, hold up.

1895
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,259
Speaker 1: I don't think Molly Maul was calling himself a producer.

1896
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 4: He wasn't a producer.

1897
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: Molly Maul.

1898
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:22,820
Speaker 4: Nope.

1899
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,620
Speaker 2: He was DJ Molly Maul.

1900
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:24,059
Speaker 4: He was DJ Molly Maul.

1901
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,260
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Facts. And so we got

1902
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:33,260
Speaker 1: Skylar Rock, Molly Maul, Primo, you know what I'm saying?

1903
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,089
Speaker 1: Primo for sure. It's so many that I'm missing, because

1904
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:40,689
Speaker 1: I really like, you know, you got Lars Professor. You

1905
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:44,350
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You got, of course, you got Ye.

1906
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:47,790
Speaker 1: I'm getting some, I'm mixing around. You got Ye.

1907
01:20:48,729 --> 01:20:52,390
Speaker 5: You got Dre. You got Pharrell. You got Blaze. You

1908
01:20:52,430 --> 01:20:58,540
Speaker 5: got P. You got Rockwalla. You got so many. There's

1909
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,089
Speaker 5: so many more. It needs to be 50.

1910
01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:03,070
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman No, it do

1911
01:21:03,090 --> 01:21:04,170
Speaker 2: need to be 50 greatest producers.

1912
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:07,530
Speaker 1: Rob Markman It does because, you know, at the end

1913
01:21:07,570 --> 01:21:11,010
Speaker 1: of the day, making a hit, we make it look

1914
01:21:11,050 --> 01:21:14,450
Speaker 1: so easy. That shit is, you know what a hit is?

1915
01:21:15,470 --> 01:21:17,990
Speaker 1: That's millions of people agreeing with what you did in

1916
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:20,379
Speaker 1: the room. Rob Markman They used to call it what?

1917
01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:21,350
Speaker 2: Lightning in a bottle.

1918
01:21:21,450 --> 01:21:21,950
Speaker 4: Rob Markman Yeah.

1919
01:21:21,979 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: It's lightning in a bottle. Rob Markman It'll.

1920
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,660
Speaker 7: Never happen again. It don't strike twice sometimes. Lightning in

1921
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:27,140
Speaker 7: a bottle.

1922
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 4: Rob Markman Yeah.

1923
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:30,310
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?

1924
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:34,750
Speaker 1: Then you got like, then you got like this generation,

1925
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:38,090
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Of producers, you know, you

1926
01:21:38,110 --> 01:21:46,330
Speaker 1: got Mustard, you got Heatmaker, you got- Metro. You got Metro,

1927
01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:49,300
Speaker 1: my Virgo brother. You know what I'm saying? You got Hit-Boy,

1928
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,110
Speaker 1: you got Zaytoven, you got this one, you got that one.

1929
01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:56,100
Speaker 1: It's so many people that can trigger to this art.

1930
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And pardon me if I

1931
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: forgot anybody's names, I'm bad with the names, but I know.

1932
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:02,660
Speaker 4: What y'all did. Rob Markman, But said that to all

1933
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:03,740
Speaker 4: of y'all, man. Said that to everybody.

1934
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Rob Markman, Yeah, there's so many. We're going to make

1935
01:22:05,260 --> 01:22:05,700
Speaker 2: a list of 50, man.

1936
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:06,580
Speaker 1: You got to make a list of 50. Rob Markman,

1937
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: And my brother Timberland, for sure. Rob Markman, Oh, yeah.

1938
01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, You know what I'm saying? Because then you

1939
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,929
Speaker 1: got the hitmen that produced the Benjamins and all of those.

1940
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:20,710
Speaker 1: It's just waves of producers. And like I said, I

1941
01:22:20,729 --> 01:22:23,509
Speaker 1: started so young that I was able to be fans

1942
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:26,290
Speaker 1: of all of those waves of producers, even with the

1943
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:29,830
Speaker 1: producers today. You know what I'm saying? It's been an

1944
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:31,259
Speaker 1: honor to be here. I'm not going to lie.

1945
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:32,590
Speaker 7: Come on, it's an honor to have you on the show.

1946
01:22:32,610 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 7: Because I feel like some beats could never be created over.

1947
01:22:36,490 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 7: Like Stop, Drop, The Benjamins, Niggas Done Started Something. You'll

1948
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,220
Speaker 7: never hear a beat like that ever, ever again in

1949
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:45,580
Speaker 7: your life.

1950
01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:47,580
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Niggas Done Started Something came out.

1951
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 4: That was so grimy. Oh my God.

1952
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:55,129
Speaker 1: I was listening to it yesterday. I'm closing out. We're

1953
01:22:55,150 --> 01:22:58,290
Speaker 1: doing the last show of Godfather Harlem. And I use

1954
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: niggas done stars.

1955
01:22:58,990 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. That's one of my shows. Definitely. They

1956
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: just took too long to keep coming back out. I

1957
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:05,340
Speaker 2: was so into it, bro.

1958
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:06,500
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean.

1959
01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:09,229
Speaker 4: They're doing like a couple, like a little two-piece, like

1960
01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:10,250
Speaker 4: a little finale by the way.

1961
01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:11,130
Speaker 1: Yeah, we doing the finale now.

1962
01:23:11,150 --> 01:23:12,690
Speaker 4: A little finale. I peeped that. Yeah, definitely.

1963
01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:14,530
Speaker 1: But I had fun with that show. We got the

1964
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:16,910
Speaker 1: Westies out now. You know, which is based on- Oh, you.

1965
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:17,650
Speaker 4: Call it the Westies?

1966
01:23:17,790 --> 01:23:18,269
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1967
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:21,150
Speaker 4: Smart fucking shit. I was trying to put that nigga-

1968
01:23:21,170 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 4: Except for the Westies. The Westies is poppin' right now.

1969
01:23:24,979 --> 01:23:25,940
Speaker 1: That's me and Grady's company.

1970
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,780
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's poppin'. I'ma get on the Westies.

1971
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 4: Yo, Grady, stop acting like I ain't been around for

1972
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 4: 25 years, Grady.

1973
01:23:31,420 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: I got to watch it. He been putting me on

1974
01:23:32,860 --> 01:23:33,090
Speaker 2: to it.

1975
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: The Westies is poppin'. But I ain't.

1976
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 7: Going to lie, that Bumpy Johnson shit, I can't lie

1977
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:39,170
Speaker 7: to you, bro.

1978
01:23:39,229 --> 01:23:42,929
Speaker 2: That is my shit, bro. The new season's coming.

1979
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:46,229
Speaker 6: We doing one- Rob Markman It's like a two-piece or

1980
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:47,150
Speaker 6: something like that.

1981
01:23:47,210 --> 01:23:50,250
Speaker 1: Yeah. Rob Markman It's going to get hectic. I was

1982
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:52,490
Speaker 1: in the studio last night, putting the pieces together, and

1983
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:54,940
Speaker 1: I listened to niggas and started something, because that was

1984
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,500
Speaker 1: like the energy of the opening scene felt like that.

1985
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,900
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And it was just.

1986
01:24:01,939 --> 01:24:03,480
Speaker 4: Like you called something.

1987
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:06,219
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we had D here and I was asking him,

1988
01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:08,350
Speaker 7: I was like, what the fuck was the studio like

1989
01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:08,990
Speaker 7: that night?

1990
01:24:09,650 --> 01:24:10,850
Speaker 2: Was you in the studio that night?

1991
01:24:10,890 --> 01:24:11,290
Speaker 1: Of course.

1992
01:24:11,689 --> 01:24:12,490
Speaker 4: Oh my God.

1993
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:15,630
Speaker 1: See, this is, it didn't, like how it start, this

1994
01:24:15,670 --> 01:24:16,689
Speaker 1: is how the process went.

1995
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:19,270
Speaker 4: They did that in the Yonkers studio? That was in

1996
01:24:19,290 --> 01:24:20,219
Speaker 4: the Yonkers studio y'all did that?

1997
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,220
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. All right, copy, copy. Yeah, powerhouse. But this is

1998
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: how it went. Me, PK, Grease, we'll give D the CDs.

1999
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:32,510
Speaker 1: or the tape or the deck, whatever it was, we'll

2000
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:35,690
Speaker 1: give it to them. And then when you go, then

2001
01:24:35,710 --> 01:24:39,990
Speaker 1: we'll meet up on 125th street. So then they had

2002
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: the Land Rovers and all that stuff out there. And

2003
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: then when you pull up to there, you will hear

2004
01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: a beat playing all day. Right? And so D will call,

2005
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,450
Speaker 1: yo kids come to the fifth. Yo Mase pull up,

2006
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: where you at? And so I have the photo I

2007
01:24:57,660 --> 01:25:00,790
Speaker 1: think it was a photo. It was the burgundy Land Cruiser,

2008
01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:05,910
Speaker 1: same one Big had. Mase was sitting in the back.

2009
01:25:06,850 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: Kiss was on the side. Style was on the side.

2010
01:25:08,650 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: And they was right in that joint, right then and there.

2011
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:11,860
Speaker 4: Wow, look at that.

2012
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: Like they wrote, if I'm not mistaken, they wrote niggas

2013
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,750
Speaker 1: in the start of something, the main parts on 125th Street.

2014
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,820
Speaker 6: And I'm not surprised D called everybody to get the

2015
01:25:20,860 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 6: nigga because that's how D was. D loved hanging around

2016
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,020
Speaker 6: the artists, having niggas spit. Me and Swizz was talking

2017
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,929
Speaker 6: about this yesterday. D probably done wrote so many verses

2018
01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:32,910
Speaker 6: for niggas, like not even thinking about it though. D

2019
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:34,830
Speaker 6: would just be there popping so much shit before you

2020
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:37,190
Speaker 6: know it. You're taking shit from whatever D's saying. You're

2021
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:39,269
Speaker 6: taking the part of D conversation and putting it into

2022
01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:39,650
Speaker 6: your music.

2023
01:25:39,670 --> 01:25:42,630
Speaker 1: Yeah, because, you know, he used to, they didn't know

2024
01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:45,010
Speaker 1: the shoes he had on with Cesar Pachodes. They didn't

2025
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:47,470
Speaker 1: know Iceberg and different things. That wasn't a part of the...

2026
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,660
Speaker 1: or their budget at that time. You know what I'm saying?

2027
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,700
Speaker 1: But D was doing all that 5001 pony hairs and

2028
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: this and that. You know what I mean? He just

2029
01:25:57,229 --> 01:26:00,650
Speaker 1: always liked to be fly. So when they was getting

2030
01:26:00,710 --> 01:26:04,210
Speaker 1: into that side of it, he was giving them all

2031
01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:06,310
Speaker 1: those different pointers on it and buying it for them. Like, yo,

2032
01:26:06,330 --> 01:26:08,550
Speaker 1: throw this on right here. Now, let me see that. Now,

2033
01:26:08,590 --> 01:26:10,630
Speaker 1: put these shades on with it. Here, go ahead. You

2034
01:26:10,650 --> 01:26:16,260
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So he loved fashion, music. He's

2035
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: a curator in his own sense. Like, why curate more

2036
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,150
Speaker 1: of a movement, de-curate what you do with the movement?

2037
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,530
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Especially from the artist.

2038
01:26:26,210 --> 01:26:27,929
Speaker 4: Rob Markman, Jr.: I did want to hear every record

2039
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:29,170
Speaker 4: from the artist. I don't give a fuck.

2040
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:31,890
Speaker 6: Even if he had the DMXs and all them, he

2041
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:32,469
Speaker 6: still murdered.

2042
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:35,270
Speaker 4: Give me every record that you record. I want to

2043
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:37,530
Speaker 4: hear every fucking record. Rob Markman, Jr.

2044
01:26:37,570 --> 01:26:40,580
Speaker 2: But when you think about that record, it's just always

2045
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,220
Speaker 2: questionable who had the best verse.

2046
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 7: Cause it's like, and then DMX came at the end.

2047
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,820
Speaker 7: This is what I liked about it. He came at

2048
01:26:47,860 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 7: the end and just went, don't come with no bullshit.

2049
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 3: Use caution.

2050
01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:54,020
Speaker 1: Like who's your favorite verse? I know my favorite verse.

2051
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:59,810
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it real. It's just, it's between X, Jada.

2052
01:27:02,189 --> 01:27:05,050
Speaker 4: That's my man.

2053
01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:05,570
Speaker 1: No, no.

2054
01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:07,900
Speaker 2: Ex Jada. And I ain't going to lie.

2055
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 7: I felt like, because I always felt like Mase and

2056
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,620
Speaker 7: Jada was kind of getting at each other on that.

2057
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,510
Speaker 2: It just felt like it was a combination.

2058
01:27:15,530 --> 01:27:16,870
Speaker 4: She went crazy on that one to me.

2059
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:18,310
Speaker 2: She went crazy. Styles went crazy.

2060
01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:20,970
Speaker 4: She went crazy. crazy to that one to me.

2061
01:27:20,970 --> 01:27:22,370
Speaker 2: I ain't going to hold you. Rob Markman I don't know.

2062
01:27:22,410 --> 01:27:24,230
Speaker 7: Maybe it got more dramatic because DMX, he just came

2063
01:27:24,270 --> 01:27:26,250
Speaker 7: different than everybody else. Because it was like, all right,

2064
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:28,290
Speaker 7: what DMX is going to say after you heard all

2065
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:28,750
Speaker 7: them bars?

2066
01:27:29,470 --> 01:27:31,290
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And then he come out

2067
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:32,190
Speaker 2: with this bullshit.

2068
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:32,970
Speaker 1: Use caution.

2069
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:35,689
Speaker 2: This is a wet shit, dead shit, like a bullshit.

2070
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:38,980
Speaker 7: And then it was just like, and the beat was changing.

2071
01:27:39,540 --> 01:27:41,180
Speaker 2: It's just a big debate, man.

2072
01:27:41,260 --> 01:27:45,500
Speaker 1: I like Maze vs. The Best. That's just me. And

2073
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: I love all my guys. But the thing with Maze did,

2074
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:51,099
Speaker 1: I like the way He just came in like.

2075
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 4: You going to make me listen to that? I got

2076
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:52,540
Speaker 4: to listen.

2077
01:27:52,580 --> 01:27:53,300
Speaker 1: I got to go over here.

2078
01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:54,820
Speaker 2: How did Maze Verse start again?

2079
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 4: I got to go listen to this whole shit again.

2080
01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: Because Jadakiss was like, check out.

2081
01:27:58,140 --> 01:28:01,060
Speaker 4: Because SP went crazy, too. The Styles went crazy, too.

2082
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:01,939
Speaker 1: Everybody got fucked.

2083
01:28:01,970 --> 01:28:03,090
Speaker 4: Everybody went crazy, yes.

2084
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:05,370
Speaker 1: Yo, Mason and Lox, and then... Like, just the way

2085
01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:08,710
Speaker 1: he just slid in there. Like, he just was like, just...

2086
01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:10,090
Speaker 1: He just had a towel on his neck.

2087
01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:10,850
Speaker 2: Did he start with the salsa?

2088
01:28:10,890 --> 01:28:12,670
Speaker 4: It was like effortless, it felt like. It was like effortless.

2089
01:28:12,689 --> 01:28:14,410
Speaker 2: Check out the kid that got more coke than salsa.

2090
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:16,350
Speaker 4: That was Kiss. That was Kiss. Oh, that was Kiss.

2091
01:28:16,570 --> 01:28:17,620
Speaker 1: Yo, Mason and Lox.

2092
01:28:18,580 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mase went crazy.

2093
01:28:19,979 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: He went crazy. You hear that?

2094
01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 3: Mase went crazy.

2095
01:28:22,420 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went crazy.

2096
01:28:23,180 --> 01:28:32,050
Speaker 4: Mase went crazy. It went crazy. Mase went crazy.

2097
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:33,650
Speaker 2: Then I beat him down with aluminum.

2098
01:28:33,870 --> 01:28:36,689
Speaker 4: Then I put two in him. You hear that? Mase

2099
01:28:36,710 --> 01:28:38,790
Speaker 4: went crazy. Yeah, he went crazy.

2100
01:28:38,970 --> 01:28:40,670
Speaker 2: Mase is one of them.

2101
01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:42,190
Speaker 4: Mase is one of them.

2102
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:45,590
Speaker 1: I probably like people versus at different parts of time

2103
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:46,450
Speaker 1: in my life.

2104
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:47,690
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that.

2105
01:28:47,729 --> 01:28:49,410
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? When we first did it,

2106
01:28:50,110 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: it was Kiss. You know what I'm saying? Then later,

2107
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,450
Speaker 1: it was X. Right? It kept switching. Then it was

2108
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: Sheik for like a long time. I was about to say,

2109
01:28:59,420 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: because I- Long time.

2110
01:29:00,979 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 4: I remember right after it came, my nigga was like, man,

2111
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,259
Speaker 4: Sheik with blood on this.

2112
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:05,820
Speaker 1: Long time.

2113
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,650
Speaker 4: Said I took my brother Sheik. Sheik is dangerous.

2114
01:29:09,939 --> 01:29:12,050
Speaker 1: Yes, he did. Sheik is a dangerous spitter. Facts.

2115
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:12,930
Speaker 4: You better believe it.

2116
01:29:13,210 --> 01:29:16,910
Speaker 1: Styles is a dangerous spitter, too. Everybody got their moments

2117
01:29:17,670 --> 01:29:20,530
Speaker 1: where they rock better, but that beat, you know what

2118
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:24,430
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Shout out to Dane Grease, man. Like, That beat,

2119
01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:28,430
Speaker 1: I was inspired by that beat. Definitely. You know what

2120
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:31,250
Speaker 1: I'm saying? A lot of people used to like to

2121
01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:33,810
Speaker 1: put me and Dame against each other. But, you know,

2122
01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: you can't take away a person's gift.

2123
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 4: Right.

2124
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, we might not have agreed on things personally

2125
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:42,420
Speaker 1: because we was both young.

2126
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 4: And it be like that.

2127
01:29:43,620 --> 01:29:44,260
Speaker 1: And it be like that.

2128
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,660
Speaker 4: Ego, competitive, shit like that. It's all good. It be

2129
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 4: like that.

2130
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But as far as that

2131
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,250
Speaker 1: man's craft, Like the fact that you could say niggas

2132
01:29:52,270 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: done started something and get at me dog in the

2133
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 1: same sentence, that's dangerous.

2134
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:58,740
Speaker 4: Definitely. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. Real talk. Real talk.

2135
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 4: That is dangerous. You ain't lying about that.

2136
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? PK too. You know, PK,

2137
01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:06,790
Speaker 1: you know, those records that PK was producing with X

2138
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:09,490
Speaker 1: brought some of the best out of X.

2139
01:30:09,550 --> 01:30:10,189
Speaker 4: Yes, yes.

2140
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:12,030
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It brought the best out

2141
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:14,250
Speaker 1: of X and we was just all hungry just to

2142
01:30:14,290 --> 01:30:16,219
Speaker 1: hold the flag. You know what I'm saying? But the

2143
01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:18,480
Speaker 1: good part is we all got to hold the flag.

2144
01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:19,100
Speaker 4: Definitely.

2145
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? In some different ways. But,

2146
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, I remember how we was living. Like, I

2147
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:26,769
Speaker 1: was sleeping on the studio floor. Grease was in an

2148
01:30:27,010 --> 01:30:30,310
Speaker 1: abandoned building in a vacant lot. PK was in another

2149
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:34,310
Speaker 1: type of situation in Yonkers. We all came from nothing

2150
01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:37,070
Speaker 1: into something. You know what I'm saying? And that's why

2151
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,769
Speaker 1: I just like that. As men, we're able to grow up.

2152
01:30:41,710 --> 01:30:45,269
Speaker 1: sever our differences and salute each other as generous of

2153
01:30:45,310 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: the craft. You know what I'm saying? Because the ego

2154
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: is the killer. You know what I mean? That's just

2155
01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:52,860
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's just like in our culture, in

2156
01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: our community, period. It's just like the ego is the killer.

2157
01:30:55,820 --> 01:30:57,139
Speaker 1: If you could put that little man away.

2158
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:57,660
Speaker 6: Oh, man.

2159
01:30:57,740 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? If you could put that

2160
01:30:59,280 --> 01:30:59,930
Speaker 1: little man away.

2161
01:30:59,950 --> 01:31:02,670
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers, if we get so much more together, boy.

2162
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:05,430
Speaker 2: The ex and Jay really battle or it was just

2163
01:31:05,490 --> 01:31:08,130
Speaker 2: a cypher back then? Was that years ago?

2164
01:31:09,070 --> 01:31:09,689
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the table.

2165
01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:12,190
Speaker 4: Yeah, the old battle that they took me in. That

2166
01:31:12,210 --> 01:31:12,910
Speaker 4: was a real battle.

2167
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:13,469
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2168
01:31:14,130 --> 01:31:14,730
Speaker 2: You was there for that?

2169
01:31:15,290 --> 01:31:15,630
Speaker 1: I wish.

2170
01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:19,610
Speaker 2: Oh, man. You be missing a lot of great moments, man.

2171
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:21,769
Speaker 4: Look, Swiss is funny. What the fuck, Swiss?

2172
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 3: You was in that studio.

2173
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: He was hearing that million a beat. He's like, yo,

2174
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,059
Speaker 2: I'm staying in.

2175
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:27,420
Speaker 3: Fuck you.

2176
01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:32,220
Speaker 2: Good old days. Timberland, Trey, all the motherfuckers, they got

2177
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,260
Speaker 2: the good old days money.

2178
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: You know what type of drug that was for me?

2179
01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:36,780
Speaker 4: I can imagine. 500 to a mil?

2180
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:41,450
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. That was a different type of drug. Without

2181
01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:41,830
Speaker 1: the money.

2182
01:31:41,850 --> 01:31:42,590
Speaker 2: Budgets was crazy.

2183
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:43,930
Speaker 1: I didn't even care about the money.

2184
01:31:44,010 --> 01:31:44,970
Speaker 4: Just the creative part back then.

2185
01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:48,710
Speaker 1: Just to hear people singing something that you made in

2186
01:31:48,729 --> 01:31:52,729
Speaker 1: that studio off that little machine. That felt like a

2187
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,140
Speaker 1: different type of power. You know what I'm saying? The

2188
01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: money was cool because you could buy things. But getting

2189
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 1: the audience and the people to agree to some shit

2190
01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:03,130
Speaker 1: that you did in the room at 4 a.m. in

2191
01:32:03,170 --> 01:32:05,950
Speaker 1: the morning that got a Woodstock singing. That was a

2192
01:32:05,970 --> 01:32:06,950
Speaker 1: different type of drug for me.

2193
01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:08,890
Speaker 4: That you and your man just thinking it's higher than

2194
01:32:08,970 --> 01:32:09,650
Speaker 4: everybody else.

2195
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:10,250
Speaker 1: Agreed.

2196
01:32:10,729 --> 01:32:13,259
Speaker 4: Millions agree. Yes, this shit is high.

2197
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 2: That's a high you can never get.

2198
01:32:14,860 --> 01:32:15,910
Speaker 1: That's different. I'm still not over it.

2199
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: That's a different kind of high.

2200
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I look at those videos and be bugging, goosebumps, and

2201
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:23,300
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, we did that? Like, my kids be like, dad, that's,

2202
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it

2203
01:32:26,420 --> 01:32:29,540
Speaker 1: feel like, money, the money part, that's going to come

2204
01:32:29,580 --> 01:32:31,540
Speaker 1: and go many times. You know what I'm saying? But like,

2205
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the feeling, the actual feeling of making it from where

2206
01:32:36,220 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: we came from is different. You know what I'm saying?

2207
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:41,210
Speaker 1: My whole hood is gone, literally. You know what I'm saying?

2208
01:32:41,229 --> 01:32:43,410
Speaker 1: I was there the other day. The old people outlived

2209
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:47,930
Speaker 1: the young people. The grandparents outside. You know what I'm saying?

2210
01:32:47,950 --> 01:32:48,310
Speaker 4: That's great.

2211
01:32:48,370 --> 01:32:52,729
Speaker 1: And so, you know, to be the small percentage that

2212
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:57,219
Speaker 1: was able to do the right thing and then also

2213
01:32:57,820 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: give the blueprint to other people that started like us

2214
01:33:01,300 --> 01:33:03,380
Speaker 1: to how to do the right thing I'm having a

2215
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,980
Speaker 1: good time doing that right now. You know what I'm saying?

2216
01:33:06,340 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Because there's people that do want to talk to the youth,

2217
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,340
Speaker 1: but they don't want to listen to them because they

2218
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: know they ain't really been through it. It's not relatable.

2219
01:33:15,620 --> 01:33:18,330
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? They know we was literally

2220
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:20,670
Speaker 1: right there. You know what I'm saying? I took my

2221
01:33:20,710 --> 01:33:22,729
Speaker 1: son back to the block the other day doing a

2222
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:27,190
Speaker 1: workout on D block, going to my old apartment, seeing

2223
01:33:27,229 --> 01:33:30,310
Speaker 1: how we ran down the pissy stairs. The whole thing.

2224
01:33:30,330 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Because it's one thing. for

2225
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,220
Speaker 1: you to go back, but for your kids to see

2226
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: that too, and understand.

2227
01:33:36,220 --> 01:33:38,139
Speaker 4: We was talking about that, and the crazy thing, they

2228
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,580
Speaker 4: took him out there the next day, it was.

2229
01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:42,850
Speaker 1: It was showtime. It was showtime the next day.

2230
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:44,670
Speaker 4: After he took his son out there, next day a shoot.

2231
01:33:44,830 --> 01:33:47,250
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. You know what I'm saying? But

2232
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:50,510
Speaker 1: we got to always keep the youth grounded, no matter

2233
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:53,910
Speaker 1: how high we think we are. You know what I'm saying?

2234
01:33:53,950 --> 01:33:58,610
Speaker 1: Because if we don't teach them from where we come from, then...

2235
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:01,110
Speaker 1: then we didn't do nothing. They can be subject to

2236
01:34:01,130 --> 01:34:03,820
Speaker 1: the same danger. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, yo,

2237
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: be honorable, stay on your toes and know where you

2238
01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: come from or you might not find your way back home.

2239
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?

2240
01:34:12,030 --> 01:34:13,610
Speaker 2: Well, we glad to have you here. I'm glad to

2241
01:34:13,650 --> 01:34:15,550
Speaker 2: see like producers back in. I know you doing.

2242
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,059
Speaker 7: the Harlem thing, you know, the Bumpy Johnson story. I'm

2243
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 7: glad you back in on the movie side.

2244
01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 2: I see Dre, you know, working with Nas. Are you

2245
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,500
Speaker 2: interested in any new artists? So I know you dealing

2246
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 2: with Scarlet. Yeah, I know y'all got Scarlet.

2247
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,460
Speaker 1: I got a lot of music coming out. It's just

2248
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,740
Speaker 1: when I do the music, I like to build it

2249
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: up and I like to come out as tropes. I

2250
01:34:40,820 --> 01:34:43,660
Speaker 1: don't really like doing like singular things. Like what I

2251
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,389
Speaker 1: do is I build up the storm And then hit

2252
01:34:46,410 --> 01:34:46,900
Speaker 1: people with it.

2253
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 4: Right.

2254
01:34:47,580 --> 01:34:49,250
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It just feels better that way.

2255
01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:51,850
Speaker 1: to have a runway that I got probably about 20

2256
01:34:51,850 --> 01:34:52,460
Speaker 1: junks coming out.

2257
01:34:52,610 --> 01:34:55,509
Speaker 7: Because when I look at Swizz, I'm like, in Rough Riders,

2258
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:57,339
Speaker 7: I look like it's a lot of pressure to even

2259
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,450
Speaker 7: try to be an artist on their label because look,

2260
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 7: come on, they had fucking D Block, Eve.

2261
01:35:02,780 --> 01:35:03,460
Speaker 3: And DMX.

2262
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:04,820
Speaker 4: I know what you mean, thanks.

2263
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,700
Speaker 2: Shout out to Scarlett, but that's a lot of fucking pressure.

2264
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 4: It's a lot of pressure.

2265
01:35:08,660 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: No, it is.

2266
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 4: It is.

2267
01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 2: Is Swizz going to even be interested in your shit

2268
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 2: coming in there? I know what you mean. You know

2269
01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:16,480
Speaker 2: what I mean? DMX, D Block, and Eve?

2270
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:19,590
Speaker 4: You trying to follow up with that? Rob Markman Jr.

2271
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:20,410
Speaker 2: Bro, it's kind of hard, bro.

2272
01:35:20,450 --> 01:35:20,750
Speaker 1: Rob Markman Jr.

2273
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:23,390
Speaker 4: Shout out to Scarlett. She's definitely dope. She got the passion.

2274
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:26,189
Speaker 4: She reminds me of a female DMX sometimes.

2275
01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:29,260
Speaker 6: She got that passion in her sometimes, when I give

2276
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 6: it to her, man.

2277
01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:30,059
Speaker 4: Rob Markman Jr.

2278
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: She a real artist.

2279
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:31,710
Speaker 4: Definitely is, man.

2280
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 7: Rob Markman Jr.

2281
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: And I tell her, because a lot of artists, the

2282
01:35:34,900 --> 01:35:38,139
Speaker 1: TikTok and all these different things can form how people

2283
01:35:38,220 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: see them. When I seen Scar, she was writing poems

2284
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:48,950
Speaker 1: about black women and not looking the part and not

2285
01:35:48,990 --> 01:35:52,330
Speaker 1: being accepted and like on some Lauryn Hill type of vibe.

2286
01:35:52,710 --> 01:35:54,939
Speaker 1: Then I heard on some Lovers Blind, like Eve type

2287
01:35:54,979 --> 01:35:57,580
Speaker 1: of vibe. Then I heard on some DMX type of vibe.

2288
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, like she not on some TikTok shit.

2289
01:36:00,380 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 4: Like she an artist. She an artist for real. Yes.

2290
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,549
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I be trying to

2291
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:08,150
Speaker 1: tell like, yo, hit him with one of these. You're like, man,

2292
01:36:08,170 --> 01:36:11,110
Speaker 1: the kids want to hear this. I'm like, I understand that.

2293
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:13,530
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take you away from that. You

2294
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:17,330
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? But like, she's really a musical

2295
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:20,710
Speaker 1: instrument from where she come from and where she been through.

2296
01:36:20,830 --> 01:36:23,110
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, her going

2297
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:27,510
Speaker 1: from being homeless to landing a major deal, you know,

2298
01:36:27,810 --> 01:36:30,230
Speaker 1: that she fully owns. You know, I don't own nothing

2299
01:36:30,350 --> 01:36:30,809
Speaker 1: of Scar's.

2300
01:36:31,010 --> 01:36:31,410
Speaker 4: Look at that.

2301
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:33,110
Speaker 1: I don't get paid from nothing from Scar.

2302
01:36:33,340 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 4: Look at that.

2303
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: You understand? Like, I felt that, you know.

2304
01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:38,730
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

2305
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:41,210
Speaker 6: Anybody else would have robbed her. And I'm glad you

2306
01:36:41,229 --> 01:36:43,170
Speaker 6: did that on some real shit. Salute to that, man.

2307
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 6: Anybody else would have robbed her, man.

2308
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 4: Real talk, man.

2309
01:36:44,979 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 1: Well, they was trying to. I bet. And we moved

2310
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: past that, you know what I'm saying? Because she's really talented.

2311
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,940
Speaker 1: And I remember X's fiance calling me, this is real talk,

2312
01:36:57,460 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 1: telling me that X came to her in a dream

2313
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,260
Speaker 1: about some girl named Scarlett.

2314
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,140
Speaker 4: You fucking lying.

2315
01:37:04,260 --> 01:37:09,230
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Because- In interviews, you'll see she said that

2316
01:37:09,290 --> 01:37:11,290
Speaker 1: she was hitting me up to work with me. And

2317
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:13,250
Speaker 1: I was just like giving a light energy, like, you

2318
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:15,390
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, yo, keep doing this. Giving

2319
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:17,530
Speaker 1: a positive energy. I was like, you know what, I

2320
01:37:17,530 --> 01:37:19,610
Speaker 1: throw a B or something. She's trying to do the

2321
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:23,460
Speaker 1: right thing. Once I got that phone call, I was like, okay,

2322
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,769
Speaker 1: I gotta get off the bench. I got to get off.

2323
01:37:26,729 --> 01:37:28,690
Speaker 4: The bench for this shit. I got to go get active.

2324
01:37:28,729 --> 01:37:29,889
Speaker 4: I got to get active.

2325
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:32,870
Speaker 7: Do you think it's harder for a scholar that, because

2326
01:37:32,890 --> 01:37:37,670
Speaker 7: DMX had substance. DMX had a story. Now, you know, artists,

2327
01:37:37,710 --> 01:37:39,970
Speaker 7: you know, shout to Young Miami, how to show, spin

2328
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:43,849
Speaker 7: that shit. Spin that shit like T.I. Bring them out,

2329
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:46,570
Speaker 7: bring them out, straight for the club. Do you feel

2330
01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:49,410
Speaker 7: like it's easier when you make that club hit banger,

2331
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:53,030
Speaker 7: that TikTok banger, that Instagram banger, or like they don't

2332
01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:55,220
Speaker 7: want artists to have substance like that no more, you feel?

2333
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,380
Speaker 1: But Scarlet do have- No, she got substance, yes. No,

2334
01:37:59,590 --> 01:38:02,090
Speaker 1: she got the bangers too. You know what I'm saying?

2335
01:38:02,290 --> 01:38:04,630
Speaker 1: She just finishing her album now.

2336
01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:05,189
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.

2337
01:38:05,210 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: But I was just getting into more of how we

2338
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,460
Speaker 1: got into the Scarlet universe.

2339
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:10,889
Speaker 4: Got you.

2340
01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't want to

2341
01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:15,210
Speaker 1: do artists anymore. You know what I'm saying? I got

2342
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:16,470
Speaker 1: five kids. I have the babysitters.

2343
01:38:16,530 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 4: I got my own artists. I got real life artists.

2344
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:22,020
Speaker 2: Swiss do not want to deal with no artists.

2345
01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:25,440
Speaker 1: I got real artists I'm really responsible for. Even my

2346
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,269
Speaker 1: team was like, what are we doing? We going here?

2347
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:31,540
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, there's is special and we got

2348
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,340
Speaker 1: to do the right thing by her. You know what

2349
01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:38,860
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And shout to Zeke and Sylvia Roan because

2350
01:38:38,890 --> 01:38:40,990
Speaker 1: they definitely gave an unprecedented situation.

2351
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:41,470
Speaker 4: Look at that.

2352
01:38:41,530 --> 01:38:45,180
Speaker 1: That's great. Look at that. Now it's her time, now

2353
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: she gotta do her thing.

2354
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,940
Speaker 7: I don't know, for me, like I said, my first

2355
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,650
Speaker 7: tour was your tour, Cash Money, Rough Riders. I went

2356
01:38:51,729 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 7: on tour with Nas, Nostradamus. It's been a wild ride.

2357
01:38:57,090 --> 01:38:58,570
Speaker 7: I remember when Ludacris.

2358
01:38:58,630 --> 01:39:02,710
Speaker 2: Pause, I can say Wild Ride, pause.

2359
01:39:02,930 --> 01:39:06,610
Speaker 7: So like even Ludacris, I remember like going to Atlanta early,

2360
01:39:06,650 --> 01:39:07,250
Speaker 7: how to rob.

2361
01:39:07,650 --> 01:39:10,350
Speaker 2: Ludacris was doing radio. So for me, you know what

2362
01:39:10,370 --> 01:39:10,710
Speaker 2: I'm saying?

2363
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:14,790
Speaker 1: We started at that same radio station, 95, the college

2364
01:39:14,810 --> 01:39:16,050
Speaker 1: joint with him and Shaka Zulu.

2365
01:39:16,110 --> 01:39:17,150
Speaker 4: Look at that. That was crazy.

2366
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:20,890
Speaker 1: So me and Grady had a group called AOD. That's crazy. Yeah.

2367
01:39:21,150 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's crazy. Our first record as a group was

2368
01:39:24,140 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: played right there with Shaka Zulu.

2369
01:39:25,979 --> 01:39:26,500
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

2370
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:27,300
Speaker 1: And Ludacris.

2371
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 7: Remember when they had the hip hop diner back then?

2372
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 7: I remember going to their hip hop diner back then. See,

2373
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:36,390
Speaker 7: I got so much nostalgic stuff from being with 50

2374
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:38,710
Speaker 7: that I don't know. I feel like them nostalgic times,

2375
01:39:38,770 --> 01:39:41,290
Speaker 7: it'll never be the same from what I've seen. You

2376
01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:43,530
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying? Like I said, Cash Money Rough

2377
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:46,910
Speaker 7: Rider Tour, that was like a major tour. Like seeing

2378
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:49,900
Speaker 7: Rough Rider, seeing DMX, and we the opening act.

2379
01:39:50,020 --> 01:39:52,610
Speaker 2: Hot or Raw, me and 50. You know what I'm saying?

2380
01:39:52,689 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow.

2381
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,780
Speaker 7: It was just so much nostalgic tours and stories and history.

2382
01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:00,420
Speaker 1: I think that's when the fans really loved the artists.

2383
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:01,150
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2384
01:40:01,390 --> 01:40:01,750
Speaker 4: Facts.

2385
01:40:01,770 --> 01:40:03,070
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I think it was a

2386
01:40:03,130 --> 01:40:03,970
Speaker 1: different time where.

2387
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,140
Speaker 6: It was more exclusive though, because now you see them

2388
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 6: so much.

2389
01:40:07,620 --> 01:40:09,300
Speaker 4: Back then, you didn't get to see the artists as much.

2390
01:40:09,740 --> 01:40:12,480
Speaker 6: Maybe in the magazine when they came out, videos once

2391
01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:14,809
Speaker 6: in the blue, but now you get to see artists.

2392
01:40:14,820 --> 01:40:16,689
Speaker 6: You open your phone, what this nigga doing? You see

2393
01:40:16,710 --> 01:40:19,110
Speaker 6: a nigga eat and sleep and all that type of shit.

2394
01:40:19,170 --> 01:40:21,650
Speaker 6: You're not surprised with the artists no more.

2395
01:40:21,689 --> 01:40:22,330
Speaker 4: You think you.

2396
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:24,610
Speaker 1: Better than the artists. You fly than the artists.

2397
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 4: I'm getting more money than this nigga.

2398
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 7: Even like what makes you special, even like reading the credits,

2399
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 7: like you see, oh yo, Jay got a Swiss beat

2400
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 7: on there.

2401
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 2: Like having us, it was different.

2402
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:38,940
Speaker 4: Even with producers, it was just.

2403
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,600
Speaker 2: More nostalgic, bro. To me, you know what I mean?

2404
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 6: Now on another note, Swiss, a lot of people don't know,

2405
01:40:44,260 --> 01:40:47,560
Speaker 6: but they see you got a dope relationship with Lil Durk.

2406
01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:49,520
Speaker 6: They see you helped him out during his times with

2407
01:40:49,540 --> 01:40:51,820
Speaker 6: this whole case and shit. Talk about your relationship with

2408
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 6: Durk a little bit, man.

2409
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:57,460
Speaker 1: Man, you know, Durk is a great guy. You know

2410
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And, you know, a lot of the artists,

2411
01:41:00,660 --> 01:41:03,900
Speaker 1: you know, I have a great relationship, non-music related.

2412
01:41:03,970 --> 01:41:04,310
Speaker 4: Facts.

2413
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,590
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? They can reach out to

2414
01:41:06,610 --> 01:41:10,190
Speaker 1: me for anything. Because, you know, I know what happened

2415
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:13,150
Speaker 1: is like a lot of, I was lucky to get

2416
01:41:13,170 --> 01:41:14,450
Speaker 1: the information because of my uncles.

2417
01:41:15,170 --> 01:41:15,370
Speaker 4: Right.

2418
01:41:15,450 --> 01:41:17,710
Speaker 1: But a lot of the younger artists, they didn't really

2419
01:41:17,770 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: have people giving them the blueprint and the positive information. Now,

2420
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 1: they would call them for things that would benefit them.

2421
01:41:24,580 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 4: Right.

2422
01:41:25,290 --> 01:41:27,630
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? But they not really sitting

2423
01:41:27,650 --> 01:41:30,670
Speaker 1: there listening to the artists dealing with real life shit.

2424
01:41:30,689 --> 01:41:33,090
Speaker 1: Because you know, after you get off the stage, life

2425
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:34,070
Speaker 1: is actually real.

2426
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,500
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? You go back to the

2427
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 4: real shit.

2428
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:39,860
Speaker 1: In case people ain't know.

2429
01:41:40,140 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 4: Right?

2430
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,780
Speaker 1: And so a lot of times when artists reach out

2431
01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:46,660
Speaker 1: to me, they'll speak to me about real things. And

2432
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:51,229
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to Dirk speak, it was always positivity.

2433
01:41:51,250 --> 01:41:54,150
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Now, where he grew up,

2434
01:41:54,270 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: how he grew up, is the same place like where

2435
01:41:56,420 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: we grew up and how we grew up. You know

2436
01:41:58,180 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And we've been a product of our

2437
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: times many times. But that doesn't mean that we don't

2438
01:42:04,900 --> 01:42:09,849
Speaker 1: have good intentions and wanna change things. I mean, this

2439
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:13,769
Speaker 1: man been talking about changing things positively for a long time.

2440
01:42:13,930 --> 01:42:15,910
Speaker 1: And I see a lot of people overlooking that part

2441
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:19,830
Speaker 1: and getting straight to the other vibe. But if this

2442
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:22,030
Speaker 1: man is saying that he changed his life, give him.

2443
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:24,269
Speaker 4: A chance to change his life. You know what I'm saying?

2444
01:42:24,810 --> 01:42:27,750
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I wish my brother the best

2445
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:28,269
Speaker 1: of the best.

2446
01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:28,950
Speaker 2: Free dirt.

2447
01:42:29,310 --> 01:42:31,510
Speaker 1: Free dirt, for sure. You know what I'm saying? I

2448
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:35,130
Speaker 1: just know him for wanting to do the positive vibes. Right.

2449
01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:37,030
Speaker 1: And I support it. You know what I'm saying? Because

2450
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:40,210
Speaker 1: he got a family, you know, and, you know, I

2451
01:42:40,250 --> 01:42:44,349
Speaker 1: don't get in the mix of what people got going

2452
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:47,330
Speaker 1: on on their personal street vibe. That's their personal street vibe.

2453
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:50,050
Speaker 1: I never, whatever somebody got going on with that, that's

2454
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:52,770
Speaker 1: their thing. But as a human that I speak to

2455
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:55,110
Speaker 1: as a person, I feel he's a good person, you

2456
01:42:55,670 --> 01:42:57,830
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's my brother, you know

2457
01:42:57,870 --> 01:43:00,350
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And shout out to his father as well,

2458
01:43:00,970 --> 01:43:04,670
Speaker 1: who did time and is coming out as came out

2459
01:43:05,110 --> 01:43:08,580
Speaker 1: to be a positive reinforcement in Dirk's life as well.

2460
01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:11,500
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Every court date, being there,

2461
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, like Dirk been with me, Dirk been with

2462
01:43:14,060 --> 01:43:16,860
Speaker 1: me out the country and everything. You know what I'm saying?

2463
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 1: He came to my birthday at the Hennessy mansion. You

2464
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Him and his wife.

2465
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:22,700
Speaker 3: Why?

2466
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: People need to see different things sometimes too. You know

2467
01:43:27,220 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like most people just want to keep

2468
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,870
Speaker 1: people like where they think they should belong. Nah, like

2469
01:43:32,150 --> 01:43:34,490
Speaker 1: he want to do positive things, let's show them something different.

2470
01:43:34,610 --> 01:43:37,550
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So it's super love to

2471
01:43:37,570 --> 01:43:40,410
Speaker 1: my brother, man. See you soon, inshallah.

2472
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:42,130
Speaker 4: Free Dirk, we'll see you soon, man.

2473
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:43,890
Speaker 2: Yo, Swizz, you know what I wanted to ask you?

2474
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:45,870
Speaker 2: It seemed like, before you get out of here, I

2475
01:43:45,870 --> 01:43:47,729
Speaker 2: know you got a million things to do. Buy art,

2476
01:43:47,810 --> 01:43:48,430
Speaker 2: buy cars.

2477
01:43:48,689 --> 01:43:50,610
Speaker 3: It's raining.

2478
01:43:51,340 --> 01:43:53,620
Speaker 4: Buy jet companies and things like that.

2479
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Swizz and Timbaland made all the money, y'all.

2480
01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 2: We're going to get to that. For real, for real.

2481
01:44:00,500 --> 01:44:03,780
Speaker 7: How do you feel like there's no artist development anymore?

2482
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,580
Speaker 7: It's like you got to come with a high product.

2483
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,220
Speaker 7: female artists, male artists, whatever it is. But it seemed

2484
01:44:09,260 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 7: like things were better back then.

2485
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 4: Because it was artist development.

2486
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 7: The label actually helped you. Now it's like, we want

2487
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:17,740
Speaker 7: you to be hot and then we'll fuck with you.

2488
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:23,140
Speaker 1: Well, the label never developed nothing for us. I'm going

2489
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,770
Speaker 1: to keep it a thousand. But what the label did

2490
01:44:25,820 --> 01:44:30,250
Speaker 1: was provide a service that developed artists could get on

2491
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:35,220
Speaker 1: and actually do something. Now, we did have I seen

2492
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:37,480
Speaker 1: other companies, like when I would work with other artists,

2493
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,460
Speaker 1: they would have an A & R that would come

2494
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:43,580
Speaker 1: and sit down with me and give me some guidance

2495
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,380
Speaker 1: on what they felt that the artist should go.

2496
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?

2497
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:48,660
Speaker 1: Because me and the artist would get in the studio

2498
01:44:48,689 --> 01:44:49,809
Speaker 1: and we would just catch records all night.

2499
01:44:49,900 --> 01:44:50,250
Speaker 4: Facts.

2500
01:44:50,410 --> 01:44:50,870
Speaker 1: I ain't care.

2501
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:53,070
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

2502
01:44:53,210 --> 01:44:54,549
Speaker 1: That thing hit, right?

2503
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:56,030
Speaker 4: Then the A & R come like, listen.

2504
01:44:56,050 --> 01:45:00,430
Speaker 1: The A & R like, listen. I know he went

2505
01:45:00,450 --> 01:45:04,690
Speaker 1: the streets. Kill up everybody. We need the party. We

2506
01:45:04,710 --> 01:45:08,929
Speaker 1: need party up, Swiss. Yes. Got you. We need this record.

2507
01:45:09,130 --> 01:45:09,590
Speaker 4: Got you.

2508
01:45:09,850 --> 01:45:12,790
Speaker 1: I got you. Right? And so that's a part of

2509
01:45:12,810 --> 01:45:16,480
Speaker 1: the development because most artists don't know how to pick

2510
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: their music also.

2511
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:18,140
Speaker 4: Right.

2512
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,660
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of artists,

2513
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,340
Speaker 1: if you listen to when artists leave their producers, they sound,

2514
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: go horrible. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot

2515
01:45:25,820 --> 01:45:28,889
Speaker 1: of artists, I don't know what, like X couldn't pick

2516
01:45:28,970 --> 01:45:31,290
Speaker 1: no beats. You know what I mean?

2517
01:45:31,330 --> 01:45:31,450
Speaker 6: Fast.

2518
01:45:31,780 --> 01:45:35,019
Speaker 1: Like he couldn't, he landed on great beats, but that

2519
01:45:35,060 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 1: was based off of relationships. Like him and Grease had

2520
01:45:38,189 --> 01:45:41,790
Speaker 1: like a relationship. Him and PK had a relationship. Me

2521
01:45:41,810 --> 01:45:44,349
Speaker 1: and him had a relationship. But outside of that, let

2522
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:47,470
Speaker 1: X bring a beat tape to you. I'd be like, man,

2523
01:45:48,150 --> 01:45:51,269
Speaker 1: we gonna take the vocals. You can't do that shit

2524
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 1: right now.

2525
01:45:51,550 --> 01:45:54,050
Speaker 6: So that's what my guy Cooch, we actually got where

2526
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:54,590
Speaker 6: the hood at.

2527
01:45:54,910 --> 01:45:55,510
Speaker 4: We got where the.

2528
01:45:55,490 --> 01:45:57,590
Speaker 3: Hood at, where the hood at, where the hood at.

2529
01:45:57,650 --> 01:46:00,970
Speaker 7: Yeah, because X could make some gangster shit and then

2530
01:46:01,010 --> 01:46:01,850
Speaker 7: how it's going down.

2531
01:46:01,870 --> 01:46:02,750
Speaker 2: That was one of my shits.

2532
01:46:02,850 --> 01:46:05,790
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was being curated. You know what I'm saying?

2533
01:46:05,810 --> 01:46:08,890
Speaker 1: Like that's being curated. So that's going to the development

2534
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:11,330
Speaker 1: of what you're saying. So D had a lot to

2535
01:46:11,370 --> 01:46:14,370
Speaker 1: do with the development. You know what I'm saying? And

2536
01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:18,110
Speaker 1: then Irv Gotti at a certain point, at a very

2537
01:46:18,170 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: early point, had something to do with the development. And

2538
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: then we just caught the formula ourself and just knew

2539
01:46:26,150 --> 01:46:28,070
Speaker 1: what we needed to do. It was just very simple.

2540
01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:29,570
Speaker 1: We need something for the party, we need something for

2541
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:33,150
Speaker 1: the women, and we need something for the streets. So

2542
01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:35,710
Speaker 1: those are the three brackets that we would just jump

2543
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:39,729
Speaker 1: into at any given time, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

2544
01:46:41,250 --> 01:46:43,210
Speaker 1: And then X was really like that. You know what

2545
01:46:43,229 --> 01:46:46,030
Speaker 1: I'm saying? You can have an artist, but if the

2546
01:46:46,110 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: artist ain't, if you ain't got the smoke, you ain't

2547
01:46:47,979 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: got the smoke. That's it. There's nothing we can do.

2548
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:52,540
Speaker 4: I don't care how hungry a motherfucker is.

2549
01:46:52,580 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I can give you a beat of beats. If you

2550
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: can't carry it, you can't carry it. You know what

2551
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying? But we are in a different time. But

2552
01:47:01,180 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: one thing that they're going to always go back to

2553
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:07,650
Speaker 1: is timeless talent. You know what I'm saying? So all

2554
01:47:07,670 --> 01:47:10,350
Speaker 1: the artists watching this, yeah, you could do it quick

2555
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:13,230
Speaker 1: for the TikTok. But just know, this time next year,

2556
01:47:13,250 --> 01:47:14,030
Speaker 1: we ain't going to remember it.

2557
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:15,170
Speaker 2: Take away the music.

2558
01:47:15,210 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: That thing gone already. You don't even remember, like, I

2559
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:19,660
Speaker 1: remember when you used to remember what you had on

2560
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,660
Speaker 1: when you heard the song. You know what I'm saying? Like,

2561
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,050
Speaker 1: you remember who you was dating, what you had on,

2562
01:47:24,570 --> 01:47:26,290
Speaker 1: when you went to actually see that person.

2563
01:47:26,370 --> 01:47:28,370
Speaker 6: You hear a set of records, you start thinking about

2564
01:47:28,390 --> 01:47:30,930
Speaker 6: them times, like, whoa, damn, I remember when this happened.

2565
01:47:30,970 --> 01:47:32,430
Speaker 2: Nostalgic music, man.

2566
01:47:32,590 --> 01:47:35,650
Speaker 4: You like, damn, boy. That's what I love about Versus.

2567
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:37,260
Speaker 6: Speaking on that for a little bit, what you did

2568
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:41,460
Speaker 6: with that. You brought back a certain.

2569
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:41,300
Speaker 3: Era, man.

2570
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:42,060
Speaker 1: Hold on, Murda.

2571
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 7: This is what you gotta let him know, though. Versus

2572
01:47:45,340 --> 01:47:47,139
Speaker 7: came Because COVID came.

2573
01:47:47,180 --> 01:47:47,620
Speaker 4: Of course.

2574
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:49,710
Speaker 7: We were stuck in the house. We were stuck in

2575
01:47:49,729 --> 01:47:52,030
Speaker 7: the house. There was nothing to do. Everybody was bored.

2576
01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:55,070
Speaker 7: There was no shows, no money. The world was shut down.

2577
01:47:55,390 --> 01:47:58,390
Speaker 7: How did you and Timbaland sit in the studio and say,

2578
01:47:58,830 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 7: fuck it, we're going to do Versus? How the fuck

2579
01:48:00,770 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 7: does that work? To sell it for multi-million dollars? Yeah,

2580
01:48:03,300 --> 01:48:04,620
Speaker 7: it's still a part of it, but I know y'all

2581
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 7: made a lot of money out of it.

2582
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,260
Speaker 2: Because you always on the money, Swizz.

2583
01:48:09,300 --> 01:48:12,550
Speaker 1: This is great. This is a great question. First of all,

2584
01:48:12,620 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Versus is celebrating... 20 years this year.

2585
01:48:15,140 --> 01:48:17,220
Speaker 4: Shout out to Versus, 20 years anniversary.

2586
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:18,590
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

2587
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:19,830
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

2588
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I tell people, there's no way to skip

2589
01:48:24,979 --> 01:48:30,590
Speaker 1: the line. You can't skip the line with greatness. Now,

2590
01:48:30,610 --> 01:48:32,410
Speaker 1: you can skip the line with something that's quick and

2591
01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:35,290
Speaker 1: things that people are not talking about this time next year.

2592
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:44,340
Speaker 1: Versus first started... 20 years ago, me versus Kanye West,

2593
01:48:45,780 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 1: Giant Stadium Summer Jam. You can Google it. That was

2594
01:48:49,780 --> 01:48:50,220
Speaker 1: the first verse.

2595
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 6: We need y'all to Google this and bring that up.

2596
01:48:52,340 --> 01:48:55,019
Speaker 6: Swizz Beatz versus Kanye at Summer Jam.

2597
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:55,390
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2598
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:59,770
Speaker 1: And shout to Ye for doing that. I reached out

2599
01:48:59,790 --> 01:49:01,910
Speaker 1: to many producers to do it, and Ye was the

2600
01:49:02,030 --> 01:49:05,150
Speaker 1: one that said, yeah, let's do it. And then the

2601
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:08,429
Speaker 1: one I did after that, was with Just Blaze. Shout

2602
01:49:08,590 --> 01:49:09,790
Speaker 1: out to Just Blaze.

2603
01:49:09,810 --> 01:49:10,729
Speaker 4: Never hit mega.

2604
01:49:10,770 --> 01:49:13,670
Speaker 1: With Just Blaze. And I did that one with Just

2605
01:49:13,689 --> 01:49:20,670
Speaker 1: Blaze because he didn't feel like I called him out

2606
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:23,250
Speaker 1: to do the one with me and Ye. But I

2607
01:49:23,290 --> 01:49:25,410
Speaker 1: remember I did. We reached out and said he didn't.

2608
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:26,269
Speaker 4: Want to do it. You feel like I ain't one

2609
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:28,549
Speaker 4: of them ones or something? Right, right, right.

2610
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,780
Speaker 1: And then he just started going, doubling down on wanting

2611
01:49:35,820 --> 01:49:39,060
Speaker 1: to do a battle with me. And, you know, he

2612
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:43,110
Speaker 1: seen my wife and was like, yeah, tell Swiss that

2613
01:49:44,050 --> 01:49:44,950
Speaker 1: I'm ready when he's ready.

2614
01:49:44,970 --> 01:49:47,510
Speaker 6: You trying to bring the smoke to my, you trying

2615
01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:49,270
Speaker 6: to let my, you think my, got my wife thinking

2616
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:50,050
Speaker 6: I'm ducking you, nigga?

2617
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:50,820
Speaker 4: All right, it's up now.

2618
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:51,770
Speaker 2: It's personal now.

2619
01:49:51,790 --> 01:49:52,970
Speaker 4: That was up, nigga.

2620
01:49:52,990 --> 01:49:54,309
Speaker 2: Personal now, Just Blaze.

2621
01:49:54,340 --> 01:49:55,179
Speaker 1: We did it that night.

2622
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:55,660
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

2623
01:49:56,420 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 3: Nigga said, that night.

2624
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,940
Speaker 4: That's how you know a nigga's sexy, see? Oh, he

2625
01:49:59,960 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 4: said what?

2626
01:50:00,580 --> 01:50:02,700
Speaker 1: All right, say no more.

2627
01:50:02,860 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 4: Look at that. Nigga said, that night we did it.

2628
01:50:06,740 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 4: Look at that.

2629
01:50:07,820 --> 01:50:12,780
Speaker 1: That's when Ebro held the joint the whole time. It

2630
01:50:12,820 --> 01:50:15,600
Speaker 1: was a great time. I mean, you know, Shout out

2631
01:50:15,620 --> 01:50:18,140
Speaker 1: to Just Blaze. I mean, Just Blaze did a lot

2632
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: of classics.

2633
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 4: Definitely. Oh, we definitely know that.

2634
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,220
Speaker 1: Just Blaze did a lot of classics. I cleaned his

2635
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:29,500
Speaker 1: clock that night, though. Asthma attacks happened.

2636
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 3: Cleaned the clock, man.

2637
01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 4: Like I said, asthma attacks happened.

2638
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 3: Oh, man.

2639
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,230
Speaker 1: Nah, nah, nah. I'm only giving it to him like

2640
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:41,410
Speaker 1: that because of how we started. It was a great time.

2641
01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:44,769
Speaker 1: And this is hip hop. Like, you understand? Like, we

2642
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:46,799
Speaker 1: can't be all sensitive and soft.

2643
01:50:46,580 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 4: When it comes to hip hop.

2644
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:50,780
Speaker 1: Everybody all soft. Like, yo, yeah, I cleaned.

2645
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 4: This clock that night. We had fun. We had a

2646
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:52,660
Speaker 4: great time. You know what I mean?

2647
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:57,020
Speaker 1: And that's like, the thing was like, yo, you can't

2648
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:59,340
Speaker 1: say nothing and be careful with this man. We went

2649
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: to war that night. He played his heat. I played

2650
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 1: my heat. And the people had a great time. You

2651
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:05,979
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?

2652
01:51:06,020 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 2: So we fast forward to the COVID.

2653
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:08,500
Speaker 4: No.

2654
01:51:09,700 --> 01:51:12,460
Speaker 1: Me and Timberland did one on stage also.

2655
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:14,580
Speaker 4: Back then as well? Yeah.

2656
01:51:14,620 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Like after the Just Blaze joint, me and Tim did one.

2657
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:21,260
Speaker 1: It was at, um, It was at one, it was not,

2658
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,220
Speaker 1: it was, was it at another summer jam? It was

2659
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,930
Speaker 1: at some place like another summer jam. But the thing is,

2660
01:51:27,790 --> 01:51:31,150
Speaker 1: people wasn't really on the social media vibe.

2661
01:51:31,170 --> 01:51:33,250
Speaker 4: Like that. It was more for like whoever person.

2662
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:34,270
Speaker 1: It was like, who was there?

2663
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:35,610
Speaker 4: Yeah, got you. You know what I'm saying?

2664
01:51:35,650 --> 01:51:37,230
Speaker 1: It was like, it was like, who was there? And

2665
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:42,450
Speaker 1: then so now COVID jump off and everybody's thinking of

2666
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:44,790
Speaker 1: things to do. I didn't want to DJ because I

2667
01:51:44,830 --> 01:51:49,100
Speaker 1: love what D-Nice was doing. You know what I'm saying?

2668
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna do some comedy joint.

2669
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:52,939
Speaker 6: D-Man had Oprah and everybody was rocking with D-Nice. He

2670
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:54,340
Speaker 6: had to pop it.

2671
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to D-Nice.

2672
01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:56,860
Speaker 4: Shout out to D-Nice.

2673
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 1: One of the ones putting on for the people at

2674
01:51:58,900 --> 01:52:02,809
Speaker 1: a very hard time. And then Tim hit me up

2675
01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:06,110
Speaker 1: and was like, yo, I think we should run it

2676
01:52:06,170 --> 01:52:09,870
Speaker 1: back while everybody chilling at the crib. Boom, boom, boom.

2677
01:52:10,010 --> 01:52:14,950
Speaker 1: I was like, let's dance. We did that that night.

2678
01:52:14,970 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And so he was like,

2679
01:52:17,340 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to just set it off and just,

2680
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to start playing some beats and challenge you.

2681
01:52:21,220 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: You're going to play some beats and challenge me. We're

2682
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:25,979
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, on the Instagram. Man, people

2683
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:30,310
Speaker 1: was feeding into it. And then I'm in the basement

2684
01:52:30,350 --> 01:52:33,490
Speaker 1: at the crib, he in his studio. And then we

2685
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:35,570
Speaker 1: just went live for five hours. Crazy.

2686
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:37,370
Speaker 2: Versus was born.

2687
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:39,480
Speaker 1: And the new verses was going.

2688
01:52:39,500 --> 01:52:41,140
Speaker 4: And the new verses was going.

2689
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 7: And it was so crazy because it was like, D-Nice

2690
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:46,700
Speaker 7: is DJing, Obama's on there.

2691
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama's on there. Y'all having verses. We seeing all

2692
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:53,850
Speaker 2: the big things. They watching the verses.

2693
01:52:53,930 --> 01:52:56,570
Speaker 1: It brought all of those people with the people. You

2694
01:52:56,950 --> 01:53:01,340
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Michelle Obama and then somebody right

2695
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:02,740
Speaker 1: from the Bronx, right under her.

2696
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 4: That was crazy. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk.

2697
01:53:07,820 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 1: That's when you knew it was different.

2698
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:11,700
Speaker 4: Real shit. I ain't going for it.

2699
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 7: That's why me and Murda are my guys like you,

2700
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,820
Speaker 7: because it's not just the music. It's what y'all did

2701
01:53:16,860 --> 01:53:20,050
Speaker 7: with the music. It went from clothes to art. Biggie

2702
01:53:20,090 --> 01:53:23,650
Speaker 7: with the Coogees. You and Jay with the art. 50

2703
01:53:23,650 --> 01:53:26,250
Speaker 7: and other guys with the sneakers and the clothing and

2704
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:27,310
Speaker 7: Rough Riders, the motorcycles.

2705
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:27,410
Speaker 2: TB.

2706
01:53:28,180 --> 01:53:31,979
Speaker 7: Brandon and DMX, rest in peace, and Belly. It was

2707
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 7: like the stuff y'all did outside the music was legendary too.

2708
01:53:35,780 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 7: Not only just the music.

2709
01:53:36,939 --> 01:53:38,340
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

2710
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Yeah. And because at the end of the day,

2711
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 1: we got to use our tools properly. You know what

2712
01:53:46,140 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Because one day we're going to sit down

2713
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: and look back on all the stuff. And when you

2714
01:53:51,979 --> 01:53:53,740
Speaker 1: grade that report card, it should be what you want

2715
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,620
Speaker 1: it to be. Definitely. Rob Markman, You know what I'm saying?

2716
01:53:56,410 --> 01:53:59,100
Speaker 1: We had enough times to fuck up. We had probably

2717
01:53:59,150 --> 01:54:02,950
Speaker 1: more time to correct it. And that's like where I'm at.

2718
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, how can I wake up every day

2719
01:54:05,140 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: and be a better me? You know what I'm saying?

2720
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:11,059
Speaker 1: Because being a better me is going to help other

2721
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,100
Speaker 1: people be a better them. You can't love someone if

2722
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,350
Speaker 1: you don't love yourself. How can you truly love someone

2723
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:20,550
Speaker 1: if you ain't giving yourself love? You know what I'm saying?

2724
01:54:20,650 --> 01:54:22,390
Speaker 1: That's what I try to tell her. I see you

2725
01:54:22,450 --> 01:54:24,170
Speaker 1: doing everything for everybody else, but what you doing for you?

2726
01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:25,870
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

2727
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:29,349
Speaker 1: Like, Everybody going to throw everything in your lap. But

2728
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:32,610
Speaker 1: what are you doing for you? You know what I'm saying?

2729
01:54:32,630 --> 01:54:35,420
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, if you can't

2730
01:54:35,460 --> 01:54:39,340
Speaker 1: help yourself, you can't help other people. And those other

2731
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 1: people might not even help you back. You understand? So

2732
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 1: don't set yourself up where you can't walk up them stairs.

2733
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,710
Speaker 6: You better be able to walk up them stairs.

2734
01:54:47,730 --> 01:54:50,870
Speaker 1: You can carry people, but you better make sure if

2735
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:53,430
Speaker 1: no one carry you, you can carry yourself. We depend

2736
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:57,070
Speaker 1: on they and them to do things that we supposed

2737
01:54:57,090 --> 01:55:00,650
Speaker 1: to be doing for ourself. And that's not how it's

2738
01:55:00,670 --> 01:55:03,450
Speaker 1: supposed to go. But, you know, Versus has been, let

2739
01:55:04,530 --> 01:55:06,750
Speaker 1: me like, it's so much I want to say about it,

2740
01:55:07,310 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 1: but like, I actually like being cool about it. You

2741
01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:15,180
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? But like Versus was not an

2742
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 1: easy lift. It's a job. You know what I'm saying?

2743
01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 1: It's a job that we make look great for the people,

2744
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 1: And we never charged anyone ever to see it.

2745
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

2746
01:55:28,260 --> 01:55:30,460
Speaker 4: But you make it look real easy. You make it

2747
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 4: look real easy.

2748
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:32,890
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We could have did that

2749
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:36,790
Speaker 1: a hundred times. But we always maintain the integrity of

2750
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:42,310
Speaker 1: the brand. And yes, we did a transaction during COVID

2751
01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:47,810
Speaker 1: with the company. But I never even really tried to

2752
01:55:47,890 --> 01:55:53,379
Speaker 1: explain this because there's timing for everything. You know, like

2753
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:55,060
Speaker 1: when people want to hear what they want to hear,

2754
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:56,700
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can say to change what they want

2755
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: to hear.

2756
01:55:57,580 --> 01:56:00,420
Speaker 4: They sold out, man. They sold out on this pussy.

2757
01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: No, we sold in.

2758
01:56:01,620 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 4: Got you. Real talk.

2759
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 2: They cashed out, motherfucker.

2760
01:56:04,860 --> 01:56:05,420
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

2761
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:07,260
Speaker 1: No, we cashed in.

2762
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 4: Facts.

2763
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:08,380
Speaker 2: That's right.

2764
01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:10,230
Speaker 1: We didn't cash out. You know what I mean? Like,

2765
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:13,330
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, going back to school for me

2766
01:56:13,570 --> 01:56:17,050
Speaker 1: was very important. And, you know, because as a creative,

2767
01:56:17,190 --> 01:56:19,790
Speaker 1: I was hitting a ceiling. And most creators, we hit

2768
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:21,940
Speaker 1: the ceiling. Because we have the talent, but we don't

2769
01:56:21,980 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: have the knowledge to go past where the investors go,

2770
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 1: to go past where the venture capitalists go, or the

2771
01:56:30,140 --> 01:56:32,780
Speaker 1: private equity funds and things that like to come in

2772
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,530
Speaker 1: and do business with us. So when they come into us,

2773
01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:39,910
Speaker 1: we think that they God. No, they just somebody that

2774
01:56:40,750 --> 01:56:43,350
Speaker 1: seen something they like and can afford it. But that

2775
01:56:43,370 --> 01:56:47,350
Speaker 1: don't make you more superior than yayo or murder because

2776
01:56:47,390 --> 01:56:50,660
Speaker 1: you got a check. What makes them superior is us

2777
01:56:50,700 --> 01:56:54,660
Speaker 1: not having the knowledge of how that deal go when

2778
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: they have that check. That's the difference, right? So when

2779
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 1: the company approached us, it was because it was something

2780
01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 1: that they needed. And then we realized it was something

2781
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:12,150
Speaker 1: that we needed, right? So what happened was when we

2782
01:57:12,170 --> 01:57:15,390
Speaker 1: was approached, we was like, yo, this makes sense because

2783
01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:19,640
Speaker 1: Versus don't have an evaluation. Why doesn't Versus have an evaluation?

2784
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:22,970
Speaker 1: We never charge the people to watch the show. Got you.

2785
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:23,850
Speaker 4: Got you.

2786
01:57:23,890 --> 01:57:26,270
Speaker 1: Right? So we was charging pay-per-view for all these. We

2787
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:27,530
Speaker 1: would have an evaluation.

2788
01:57:27,570 --> 01:57:29,350
Speaker 4: Got you.

2789
01:57:29,710 --> 01:57:33,790
Speaker 1: So we went into a company that had an evaluation

2790
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:37,110
Speaker 1: of a billion dollars or whatever it was at the

2791
01:57:37,210 --> 01:57:42,970
Speaker 1: number at that time. Put Versus in that company. Got

2792
01:57:43,050 --> 01:57:48,100
Speaker 1: majority shares of that company. Right? So it's like We

2793
01:57:48,190 --> 01:57:52,220
Speaker 1: own Def Jam. We sold it to Vivendi, but we

2794
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:56,600
Speaker 1: own the majority shares in Vivendi. Do we still own

2795
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: Def Jam?

2796
01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 4: Of course.

2797
01:57:58,720 --> 01:57:58,980
Speaker 1: Okay.

2798
01:57:59,340 --> 01:57:59,839
Speaker 4: Of course.

2799
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,570
Speaker 1: Right? So that's all that play was right there. It

2800
01:58:02,610 --> 01:58:08,430
Speaker 1: would take us 10 years to raise the evaluation to

2801
01:58:08,450 --> 01:58:12,020
Speaker 1: be able to continue doing versus. because we don't charge

2802
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:13,700
Speaker 1: the people to watch it, that we had to get

2803
01:58:13,740 --> 01:58:16,890
Speaker 1: inside a company that already had the capital for us

2804
01:58:16,930 --> 01:58:19,620
Speaker 1: to do it. But we own that part of it.

2805
01:58:19,710 --> 01:58:21,850
Speaker 1: And then what we did was all of the artists

2806
01:58:21,890 --> 01:58:24,210
Speaker 1: at that time that did it for free, We gave

2807
01:58:24,230 --> 01:58:27,090
Speaker 1: them shares in that particular company.

2808
01:58:27,130 --> 01:58:29,690
Speaker 4: Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look

2809
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:30,410
Speaker 4: at that, man.

2810
01:58:30,830 --> 01:58:31,270
Speaker 1: Come on.

2811
01:58:31,290 --> 01:58:31,750
Speaker 4: Look at that.

2812
01:58:31,770 --> 01:58:32,590
Speaker 1: Before we get.

2813
01:58:32,570 --> 01:58:35,810
Speaker 7: Out of here, you know I do my homework on

2814
01:58:35,830 --> 01:58:37,090
Speaker 7: the guys with the money.

2815
01:58:37,310 --> 01:58:39,750
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? On the guys with the money.

2816
01:58:39,790 --> 01:58:46,620
Speaker 7: When it comes to you, Pharrell, you, Pharrell, Jay, I

2817
01:58:46,660 --> 01:58:47,580
Speaker 7: got to give it to y'all.

2818
01:58:47,700 --> 01:58:48,380
Speaker 1: I'm not a hater.

2819
01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:50,970
Speaker 2: Your watch game is crazy. What the fuck is that

2820
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:51,870
Speaker 2: alien watch.

2821
01:58:51,670 --> 01:58:52,810
Speaker 3: On your wrist?

2822
01:58:52,930 --> 01:58:54,339
Speaker 4: What is that? Yo, Jay is crazy.

2823
01:58:54,350 --> 01:58:56,040
Speaker 2: I know that's like about a half a minute. What

2824
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 2: is that?

2825
01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 6: What is the alien watch on your wrist?

2826
01:59:00,820 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: It's called MBNF. It is six cities in the world. Shoot.

2827
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 1: I told you.

2828
01:59:07,980 --> 01:59:08,460
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

2829
01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:11,660
Speaker 2: The six in the world, how much that cost? It's

2830
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:13,610
Speaker 2: an alien watch. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

2831
01:59:13,620 --> 01:59:14,580
Speaker 1: A couple of dollars.

2832
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 4: A couple of dollars. You might not want to be here.

2833
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:17,620
Speaker 4: A couple of dollars. That's cool.

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01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 1: A couple of dollars, but you know, I love the

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01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: independent watchmakers, right? Because remember what I was telling you

2836
01:59:23,420 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 1: before was like, everybody's going to run to what they

2837
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:32,410
Speaker 1: need to be, and that's cool. But look at the.

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01:59:32,420 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 6: The Richard Millies, the APs, they're going to go with

2839
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:35,730
Speaker 6: whatever's popular right now.

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01:59:35,850 --> 01:59:38,430
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was wearing... Rich's, they thought they was Hublot's.

2841
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:41,030
Speaker 1: When I was wearing Hublot's, you know what I mean?

2842
01:59:41,150 --> 01:59:43,410
Speaker 1: They thought they was Rolex's. You know what I'm saying?

2843
01:59:44,030 --> 01:59:46,470
Speaker 1: Like when I was wearing AP's, they thought they was Rolex's.

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01:59:46,690 --> 01:59:47,089
Speaker 4: Right?

2845
01:59:47,110 --> 01:59:49,350
Speaker 1: Like you can go back to the dub cover magazine.

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01:59:48,990 --> 01:59:50,870
Speaker 2: With a full factory- You was wearing an AP back then?

2847
01:59:51,130 --> 01:59:56,770
Speaker 1: Full factory bust down factory on the cover of dub

2848
01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:59,130
Speaker 1: with braids in my hair with an AP on. You

2849
01:59:59,150 --> 02:00:01,230
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like that's how I've been in

2850
02:00:01,250 --> 02:00:02,430
Speaker 1: the watches like forever.

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02:00:02,530 --> 02:00:02,690
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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02:00:02,790 --> 02:00:03,210
Speaker 4: No, I know.

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02:00:03,270 --> 02:00:04,670
Speaker 2: Are you Pharrell, Jay?

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02:00:04,870 --> 02:00:07,610
Speaker 7: Like, for instance, when you say Richard Milley, Pharrell got

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02:00:07,650 --> 02:00:09,350
Speaker 7: an ill Richard Milley, but it's like a one of

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02:00:09,410 --> 02:00:12,030
Speaker 7: a kind. It's not nothing you would see. Like the

2857
02:00:12,090 --> 02:00:13,850
Speaker 7: watches they wear is nothing you can see.

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02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:17,680
Speaker 1: Pharrell designed with Richard. I designed with Debutoon. Okay. You

2859
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? So look at Debutoon. P got

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02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:23,740
Speaker 1: Richard Milley. I think me and P like the only

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02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:31,410
Speaker 1: two definitely that designed a watch in in that particular caliber.

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02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:34,010
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like just other collaborations that

2863
02:00:34,030 --> 02:00:38,070
Speaker 1: people do. But like P's watch is not like a collab.

2864
02:00:38,130 --> 02:00:41,030
Speaker 1: It's like, it's a design. You know what I'm saying?

2865
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:43,990
Speaker 1: Like I'm at season one, two, I'm at season four

2866
02:00:44,990 --> 02:00:50,100
Speaker 1: with my Debitum. And so season one, so all of

2867
02:00:50,110 --> 02:00:51,940
Speaker 1: them sold out before we even get to the shows.

2868
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,180
Speaker 1: But that's just like a passion I have is watch.

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02:00:54,220 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: It's like, so you want to look at MBNF, you

2870
02:00:57,580 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 1: want to look at Debitum, You want to look at Yurik.

2871
02:01:02,020 --> 02:01:05,670
Speaker 1: You want to look at, which one? Those are like,

2872
02:01:06,430 --> 02:01:10,770
Speaker 1: those right there are the great starter pack for all

2873
02:01:10,790 --> 02:01:14,830
Speaker 1: the conversational, space-loving shit.

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02:01:14,890 --> 02:01:15,870
Speaker 3: I told you, man.

2875
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:16,730
Speaker 4: That's a fact.

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02:01:16,750 --> 02:01:19,640
Speaker 2: Pharrell and Jay, they do it, man. I can't lie, man.

2877
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:22,720
Speaker 4: Yo. So we is getting some new music coming from Swiss.

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02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:23,120
Speaker 3: Yes.

2879
02:01:23,140 --> 02:01:24,400
Speaker 4: We is getting some new music.

2880
02:01:24,780 --> 02:01:26,180
Speaker 1: Y'all going to get a big surprise.

2881
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

2882
02:01:27,150 --> 02:01:30,630
Speaker 1: I got a lot of music coming, but one I'm

2883
02:01:30,650 --> 02:01:32,710
Speaker 1: really excited about is like a big surprise, because it's

2884
02:01:32,730 --> 02:01:35,740
Speaker 1: never been done before. So this one, this one. This

2885
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:36,760
Speaker 1: one will be for the books.

2886
02:01:36,980 --> 02:01:39,320
Speaker 4: Rob Markman Let's go, man. We talked about art, we

2887
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,180
Speaker 4: talked about music, everything.

2888
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,120
Speaker 6: Rob Markman As far as the wrap up, the only

2889
02:01:43,070 --> 02:01:44,730
Speaker 6: people that I give the wrap up to before I

2890
02:01:44,750 --> 02:01:46,510
Speaker 6: actually come out, being that we here.

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02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 4: It's Swiss. He actually get a preview. Real talk. He

2892
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:53,950
Speaker 4: gets a preview before it come out. I sent it

2893
02:01:53,970 --> 02:01:57,270
Speaker 4: to Swiss and I got my brother Snoop Dogg. Snoop too.

2894
02:01:57,550 --> 02:02:01,950
Speaker 4: Snoopy hit me murder. I need that now, nigga. Real talk.

2895
02:02:02,030 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time, man.

2896
02:02:04,110 --> 02:02:04,710
Speaker 3: Definitely.

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02:02:04,730 --> 02:02:06,950
Speaker 1: We gotta get y'all doing more music, too, though. Oh, nah.

2898
02:02:06,970 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 4: Yes, nah, we on it, man.

2899
02:02:07,900 --> 02:02:09,340
Speaker 6: I got a project I'm about to drop. Shout out

2900
02:02:09,380 --> 02:02:11,260
Speaker 6: to Empire and Neem. I'm about to drop a project,

2901
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:12,500
Speaker 6: but I gotta get more on it, too.

2902
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:14,180
Speaker 4: I love it. My passion is this, though, man.

2903
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:15,220
Speaker 2: This is my passion.

2904
02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, my guy love the social media.

2905
02:02:16,540 --> 02:02:17,470
Speaker 1: He love this right here.

2906
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,370
Speaker 7: You know, hearing how you had a fucking AP back

2907
02:02:20,430 --> 02:02:23,470
Speaker 7: in dub magazines. And now niggas are talking about AP

2908
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:25,050
Speaker 7: and all this shit. And I like talking about the

2909
02:02:25,150 --> 02:02:28,060
Speaker 7: art and the different things you did and selling beats

2910
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:29,600
Speaker 7: for a million dollars, motherfucker.

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02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:31,800
Speaker 3: Like, I like hearing shit like that, bro.

2912
02:02:31,820 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 4: For real, man.

2913
02:02:32,700 --> 02:02:34,180
Speaker 2: Make some noise for Swizz Beatz.

2914
02:02:34,220 --> 02:02:36,980
Speaker 4: Swizz Beatz in the building, the legend.

2915
02:02:37,020 --> 02:02:38,430
Speaker 3: The icon, the legend.

2916
02:02:38,450 --> 02:02:42,250
Speaker 2: Like, share, subscribe. Like, share, subscribe to Real Report. The

2917
02:02:42,290 --> 02:02:45,170
Speaker 2: best up and coming podcast out this motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.