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Hit the tab that 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.680 says tour and me and to Lisa Judais cannot wait 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:07.880 to see you on Tuesday, June eighteenth in New York City. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.360 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.320 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.960 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.080 years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.560 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:31.960 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:40.399 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about ladies, gentlemen, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.720 and day. The time has come. I don't know if 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.160 it's the end of an era, but anyway, it's the 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.920 beginning of something great because I'm here with my beautiful friend. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.040 You guys had heard three episodes in a row, and 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.120 she is so busy. Give it up, guys for the 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.720 amazing Kate Casey. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.160 And give it up for you, my friend. Thank you 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.240 again for inviting me. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.200 You are big in my heart and I am so 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.800 excited to talk to you band the Pump Rules Part 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:09.519 three reunion. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.160 Take it away, Cake, your lens is going to be 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.480 different than every other podcaster out there that's commenting, and 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.519 the Lord knows what we all are. When you yes, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.600 and when you're watching, given your breadth of experience in 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.360 unscripted television, be honest with me as you watch that 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.560 finale of the Part three reunion, did you think to yourself, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.040 they made this as a finale. They made this as 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.480 a pause, or they made this as it's going to 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.639 come back and better than ever. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.959 They made this with the intention of it going on pause. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.800 For sure. The way this Part three was produced. I 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.880 have never in the history of the television I produced myself, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.799 or my years at Bravo working on Housewives, have ever 0:02:54.639 --> 0:03:00.400 not shown the cast the final episode, and they had 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.560 to watch it in real time. And I think what 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.560 that displayed was they wanted the Rawley motion, for sure, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.000 but I think they also wanted to sort of let 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.880 them know, like, you guys aren't coming back so fast, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.560 and that's why Lala. Of course I'm skipping to the end, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.040 but we'll take it back to the beginning. That's why 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.400 Lala had that reaction in the dressing room. I think 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:28.360 La La La LA's tears to me came from these 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:34.600 people fucked up my bag, and I'm pissed. I have 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.000 a child, I have two homes, I have two mortgages, 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.480 I have private school that my daughters, my daughter has 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:47.080 to attend. I think Katie's like, whatever, you know, I 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.880 have a sandwich shop. But no. I definitely think the 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:56.240 intention Kate was to let them know that in that moment, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.720 you guys won't be seeing each other for a while. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.840 We saw at Home the ending where it showed them 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.360 as they were when they joined the show and now. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.080 But they didn't get to see that part. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:16.080 So I wondered, since that aired after, you know, the filming, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.960 did they come to some conclusion between the end of 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.960 filming and when they aired that final episode. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.520 I think they knew this. I think based on the 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.599 feedback from the audience about this season early not not 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.280 early on, but I would say maybe by episode five. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.920 K I think we all kind of knew, like, we're 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.360 not that interested in this, like we thought we were 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.400 going to be yes right. I think they knew that 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.880 around that time when they shot the finale, they had 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.400 no idea this was going to be a show that 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.240 would be put on pause. I think they had a 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.119 lot of pressure. Santaval kind of intimated that when he said, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.560 I was doing my job and sorry, I disagree with you, Arihanna. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.320 I did not think it was good TV for you 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.760 to walk away. I don't care who you are. That's 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.400 not good TV. I think they knew towards the end, Kate, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.239 that you guys have to talk. You guys have to talk. 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.479 You have to talk. It's sort of like Kim and Ini. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.760 When I produce season four of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.080 Kate Kim and Ini did not speak that entire season. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:23.640 The entire season. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.000 What would you do by your season? 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.880 Now, just for a moment, I need you to walk 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.280 me through that because we also see that on New 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.880 Jersey with Melissa and Teresa. So what is that like 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.760 behind the scenes? What is that like to work with 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.520 two cast members that refuse. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.679 It's awful, It's bad. It's uncomfortable for the other cast members. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.960 You don't know how to lighten the mood and listen. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.000 It's one thing if you know, it's like the Queen 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.760 Bee and you know the girl next door not talking. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.600 You don't care. It's too queen Bee. Right, let's have 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.440 a real conversation, Kim Andini, the or the queen Bees 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.480 on the same playing field. Right. Season four, as the 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:18.039 cast supporting cast, it's uncomfortable. As producers is uncomfortable. We tried. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.640 I have a story for you. I haven't told anyone 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:26.680 of the story. So so season four, we are scrambling 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.520 for our finale. This is what I can tell you, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.960 with every fire for my being that they knew they 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.800 needed Arianna and Sandaval to talk at a finale. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.040 So Mike it was the. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.599 And Santaval said, I'm game. So on season four of 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.680 The Royal Housewives, of Atlanta. We had a finale party 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.200 and the finale, as you guys know, all the cast 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.599 members are there and Kim and Nini were there. It 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.680 was a drag show. It was Miss Lawrence. He had 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:03.480 a drag show where the queens were mimicking each of 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.320 the housewives like Candy, Kim, charae. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.640 Yeah, I remember this, okay. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:16.920 And we beg Nini and Kim to talk. Kim let to. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:18.960 One of those conversations, sound like, what are you saying 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:19.320 to them? 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.920 Guys, think about the bigger picture. It's the finale, it's 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.560 the end of the road. You two are the queen bees. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.440 Can we at least get a conversation? Do what's best 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.240 for the show. What's best for the show is you 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.000 guys at least addressing this issue, because once again, it's 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.240 not that deep of an issue. You guys go through 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.480 this every season. Y'all love each other at the top 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.920 of the season and y'all fall out towards the end. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.640 This is the first season where you guys are like, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.000 we're not speaking to each other at all, and that 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.120 was weird for us. Kim did not go on the 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.040 Africa trip, so there was there was no room k 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.000 for these women to talk. I felt like Nini probably 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.280 would have tried if Kim showed a little bit of effort. Honey, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.080 Kim stormed out of the building, hop in her car 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:13.520 and drove off. And my showrunner and we all were 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.760 just like, we're fucked. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.600 Because you have to you have to report back to headquarters, 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.000 Like we didn't get anything. They say to you are 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.880 They like, well, what do you mean you didn't get anything? 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.240 You know, Look, it's Kim and Nini, so no one 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.720 can control these two force multiplying. So they understood. But listen, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.840 we're producers and you know this doing what you do, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.959 your perfectionists. You want to do a good job. And 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.280 we felt like we failed. We felt like we failed 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.600 the audience. Honestly, it was more so about who wants 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.600 to watch a season where you're not talking at all? 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.280 So we felt like we felt the audience. And when 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.480 it came to the finale of vander Pump Rules, I 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.840 when they showed the showrunner talking to Tom and they're 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.280 breaking the fourth wall. It's a lot of pressure that 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.560 was put on any finale. But most importantly, we're only 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.760 watching this season to see what a conversation looks like 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:18.200 between Arihanna and Tom and I'm not here to tell 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.320 people what they should do. I will say this, I 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.760 felt bad for Rihanna in this this reunion. I felt like, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:30.520 for the first time she really opened up in a 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:35.640 way that I kind of understood her more when she 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.360 said I just want you gone, so Kate when she 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.199 said that, obviously as producer, the reason why she did 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.320 not speak to him, Kate the entire season. She wanted 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.079 him gone from the show, and she felt like, if 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:57.760 I give you a scene that keeps you dingo, guys, 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:58.880 that's why she didn't do it. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:09:59.199 Well. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.360 Also, there was a moment where she didn't want her 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.880 boyfriend or her boyfriend didn't want to participate. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:04.560 Because he wasn't getting paid. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.959 I thought that was interesting too that they included that, Yeah, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.400 because they almost probably felt quartered like, we, as producers, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.080 we have to kind of explain how complicated this is. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:20.839 Yes, and it's listen, you can't say I don't want 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:26.400 to film with my ex, but I can't film scenes 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.719 with my new boyfriend because he wantsn't. It's like, well, Arianna, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.160 why are you here? And that was disturbing for me. Kate. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.600 It's sort of like Why would I pay any newbie 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.920 any amount of money. You're only on the show because 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.839 you're dating the star of the show at this point, 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.960 and I'm not paying you shit? Who are you? I 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.600 just started paying Brock? Why I'm paying you? Right? 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.400 And that took quite a bit from him. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.439 Would it have made it better for the producers if 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.800 she had said sometime throughout the season, I don't want 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.640 to be around him because I feel like he purposely 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.920 humiliated me and everyone in the world has been privy 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.960 to my pain. Something like that where she kind of 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.600 explained that, because I feel like she was sort of silent, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.600 like her modus operane was like, I'm just not going 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.079 to address him at all. I just want him to 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.040 go away, like as if he never existed. Right, But 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.280 do you think they would have been happier and felt 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.640 less pressure towards the end of the season to have 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.040 that moment if she had done. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.040 That, I'm going to tell you why the Onus unfortunately 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.200 is on the cast. No one's forcing you to do 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:34.840 the show. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.880 Right, and they be got paid well, they got well. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.920 Listen, listen the moment you signed on to do another season, 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.200 you know already you have to be around these people. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.280 If you felt so uncomfortable being around him, then there 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.280 should have been a conversation that said, I don't want 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.280 to come back this season. If you guys want me 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.480 to be around him and film with him, I just 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.000 I would rather just take take the year off if 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.920 that's what you guys want. But if you guys are 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:13.000 comfortable with me not filming with him and all this season, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.160 then that's fine. I don't think she had that conversation 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.360 because you have said it. And I think you can't 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:24.280 blame the producers for wanting the moment. We all want 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.240 it because that's their job too. And I agree with 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:33.440 Lala and everyone else honestly in the sense of we 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.000 all had to deal with bad moments that we wish 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.480 we could not you know, talk about, but we did it. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.320 It's our job. And I think the problem with some 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.959 reality stars they forget that this is a job. I 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:53.000 cannot kate, your kids cannot go to school, and the 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.480 teacher says, I don't feel like giving you guys a 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.679 lesson today. I'm going to sit back and listen to 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.400 Casey Saturday series and how about trading? How about you 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.400 guys just you know, go on your phone no one 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.000 gets away with that. So reality stars, you sign on 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.840 to do a job, stop treating this show like you're 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:13.720 doing them a favor. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:19.599 Two things with that, they started filming after the story exploded. 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.040 There was like a couple of weeks, you know, there 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.160 was like a like a layerver kind of period. What 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.160 kind of conversations do you think they would have had 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.679 with the cast before, you know, as they're signing their 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.640 contracts and they begin to film, would they have conversations like, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.400 you know, as part of us telling the story of 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.360 the aftermath, like you're all going to have to talk 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.040 about how you feel and what's going on in your lives. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.320 Or do you think that they'd been filming for so 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.480 long they just assumed that they would do that. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.640 I think it's the ladder. I think when your show 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.320 has been off it's been ten seasons. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.160 Is really very impressive because most shows don't make it 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:58.760 that way. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.400 Not at all, not at all, So it's super impressive. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:06.440 And that's the reason why they probably assume, like, well, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:11.360 you know what this is, like, we filmed breakup, makeup, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.800 And I think we also have to be reminded that 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.839 they lived together. They lived together, so of course as 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.680 a producer. I'm like, hey, guys, cameras up, go to 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.640 their house, spend the day there, Let's see what happens. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:32.640 I think Arianna unfortunately thought she was bigger than the show. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.200 I think that she actually had been checked out. I 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.800 think she started to get all these opportunities, and she 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.560 finally was probably at a point where she was like, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.160 I didn't really feel like I was part of the 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:44.800 show anyway, because she was sort of kind of in 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.560 the background before, Like, now I have the freedom to 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.480 actually leave the show. So I almost wonder if it 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.560 would have been better for her if she had left 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.600 in the same way Rachel did, just had not signed 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.360 on to another season. That would have given her the 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.600 space to properly heal, and they, inevitably, I think they 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:02.880 would have. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:03.720 Waited for her. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.920 By the end of the episode, you know, she says 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.960 in her own words like I'm still not ready. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:10.880 I'm still healing. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.240 So I feel badly for all the parties involved to 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.520 some degree, because she wants more time to heal. The 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.640 network wants to film because everybody in the world was 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.440 talking about this story, and so everybody's on different timelines. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.920 No one like, no one in this whole thing. It 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.320 seems to be like they're happy. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.760 No no, Noah and Tom obviously wanted the conversation. Did 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:39.360 you believe his tears when he started crying to Arianna. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.840 No, I don't think he cared. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.920 I actually don't think he has a problem with anything 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.680 that happened. I think he's really enjoying the attention that's 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.520 come with this whole scandal. I don't think he's upset 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.480 about Rachel. I don't think he's upset about Aria. I 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.000 don't think he thinks about anybody other than himself. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:56.440 Do you believe those tears? 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.000 Well, that's the thing. It was one of those things 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.960 where I'm like because when he's when he said to 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.800 his cast, like, you guys know me, I'm emotional because 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.040 I was. I was trying. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.560 He's emotional when it has to do with things about himself, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.240 like it's he sings a song and you know he's 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.200 it's all very performative, you know, And we know that 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.920 because if you look at the archival footage, he says 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.640 at the end of the last day of filming, you know, oh, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.800 it looks good for me. So I don't think he 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.440 has had one moment of introspection, and I think he's 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.600 so happy about how he became a mainstream celebrity from it. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.280 That is wild. It is. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.520 Which, by the way, most of these shows are built 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.680 on people that have that personality type. We all can't 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.040 forget this. This is not like Dolores down the street. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.000 You know, these are people that have at some point 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.520 pursued this job because they thought it was the escalator 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.640 to success us or whatever it may be. They all 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.840 were pursuing jobs in the entertainment business. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.560 No, you're right, you're right, You're right, and and it 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.480 brings me to to just the Lala of it all. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:19.000 So when they show the finale and Arianna got a 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.000 chance to see all the things that Lalla said about her, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.959 she thinks she's Beyonce. Why is all of a sudden 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.520 She's like this god, you know all of these things. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.240 And you saw you saw the reaction from Arianna's face, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:39.000 like whoa. But La La stood on business. She said, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.240 I'm not gonna apologize for what I said, but I 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.439 will apologize if it made you feel bad. But I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.960 felt that way when when La La started talking about Kate, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.280 you know, all this stuff she went through and she 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.640 never got to pass, and and and that's the part 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.399 I want to I want to talk about when you 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:03.080 are producing a reality show, everybody wants to feel treated equally, obviously, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.879 like any job. Yeah, but we know when it comes 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:10.119 to being famous, everybody wants to be treated like the 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.800 star of the show, although in every show there is 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.000 a star of the show, right, And I think for Lala, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:21.679 she could not handle Arianna getting the special treatment because 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.439 she was not allowed that when she was going through 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:25.440 her stuff with Randall. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.040 I don't even know if it's that much. I think 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.359 it's you first said. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.480 I always say, and you always agree with me, that 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.639 these shows, the fights that they actually have on the 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.920 show are really about outside opportunities and perceived power positions. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.160 So I don't even think it has to do much. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.880 Even with Randall, I feel like it's really about I'm 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.600 the headliner of the show. And I think they were 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.600 all in disbelief that Arianna became the front runner. I 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.760 think they were like this girl who's been boring for 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.560 all these years. She's more, bigger deal than we are, bigger, better, better, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.800 like what. I think they were so consumed by jealousy, which, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:05.800 by the way, I like how many times, I've said 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.760 it's like a docu series on like the aftermath of 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.680 a scandal in American. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.639 Media, Like that's what the show to me. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.760 This season was like watching everybody get angry because she 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.720 was the one who was the front runner. I don't think, really, 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:20.879 I don't think it really has that much to do 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.560 with like, I think she there's a part of Laala 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.920 that made peace with the fact. I think in the 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.560 quiet of the night, when she's alone in her thoughts, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.680 she knows that certain things that she said and did 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.639 early on in the show made a lot of the 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.399 audience never want to embrace her, you know, kind of 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.760 body shaming people and the way that you know, she 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.520 was kind of like unwilling to talk about her relationship, 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.320 and there were signing NDAs so they couldn't reveal who 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:50.080 the boyfriend was. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.240 I think she does know. I think she's a smart girl. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.000 She knows that. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.080 I think this really was about who is number one 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.480 in this show. I think they're running through that numbers 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.879 the whole time, like episode two or whatever, like the 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.760 first two weeks of filming, they're like, I hope she's 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.840 not getting paid more than I am. I hope she's 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.119 not gonna be called to watch a ton she got 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.680 a razor deal or we're kiddying ourselves right now. Oh, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.760 she's got a deal with a box company. You gotta 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:15.639 be fucking kidding me. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.639 I think that's really what it's all about. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.600 And honey, that's what the season. That's way more interesting 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:21.840 to me. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.200 That, to me, was the story. That was it. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.680 That's the smoking gun. Oh my gosh, you're right, because 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.800 the thing is this Arianna was always the one you 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.320 sort of forgot about, right, Yeah, she was. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.080 But I also think that's because Tom Sandoval made it 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.000 that way. I mean, is she somebody that probably walks 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:44.840 into a room and kicks the door open. No, I 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.080 think she's probably a little bit more of an introvert, 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.200 you know, a little bit more quiet. But I think 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.760 he enjoyed that about her because he has to be 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.080 the star of the show. He purposely chose someone like that. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.639 He likes Rachel's you know that are like quiet and 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.120 let him lead the way. I think that guy thought 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.280 he was number one guy of the entire show, not 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.680 even of the guys, but number one in his mind. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.680 They're all operating like that. Sheena still thinks she's number 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.359 one on the show. How about this scene where she's like, 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.720 why can't it ever just be about me? 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.880 I'm like, what a girl they're all but they're all 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:19.239 like that. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.520 I know, because oh my god, this is so fascinating 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.600 to me. Is what you said is the aftermath of 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.879 a scandal in American media, right, how the dark Horse 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:43.720 galloped to become the star of the show and these 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.720 sort of narcissistic characters from La La to James Kennedy 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.240 to Sanda Baal. I think those three, if you ask 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.800 any of those three to me, I think those three 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.199 think like I'm the face of the show. Now, I'm 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:57.560 the face. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:21:59.439 No, one hundred percent. 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:03.760 But the dark course with someone who they least expected. 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:06.960 It was someone who doesn't have to swallow all the 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:11.040 air in the room. And on top of it, probably 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:14.359 there is an element of like and they're all like 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.880 loving her and feeling such empathy for her, like where 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:19.760 did this girl come from? 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.119 I think it's all about that. You know what It's like. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:23.800 It's like those classic. 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.960 Movies of the nineties where you know, there's the popular 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.880 group of girls at school and then they're like horrified 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.480 when the when the playing girl in the background gets 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:40.200