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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about ladies, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: and day. The time has come. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's the end of an era, but anyway, it's the
Speaker 1: beginning of something great because I'm here with my beautiful friend.
Speaker 1: You guys had heard three episodes in a row, and
Speaker 1: she is so busy. Give it up, guys for the
Speaker 1: amazing Kate Casey.
Speaker 2: And give it up for you, my friend. Thank you
Speaker 2: again for inviting me.
Speaker 1: You are big in my heart and I am so
Speaker 1: excited to talk to you band the Pump Rules Part
Speaker 1: three reunion.
Speaker 2: Take it away, Cake, your lens is going to be
Speaker 2: different than every other podcaster out there that's commenting, and
Speaker 2: the Lord knows what we all are. When you yes,
Speaker 2: and when you're watching, given your breadth of experience in
Speaker 2: unscripted television, be honest with me as you watch that
Speaker 2: finale of the Part three reunion, did you think to yourself,
Speaker 2: they made this as a finale. They made this as
Speaker 2: a pause, or they made this as it's going to
Speaker 2: come back and better than ever.
Speaker 1: They made this with the intention of it going on pause.
Speaker 1: For sure. The way this Part three was produced. I
Speaker 1: have never in the history of the television I produced myself,
Speaker 1: or my years at Bravo working on Housewives, have ever
Speaker 1: not shown the cast the final episode, and they had
Speaker 1: to watch it in real time. And I think what
Speaker 1: that displayed was they wanted the Rawley motion, for sure,
Speaker 1: but I think they also wanted to sort of let
Speaker 1: them know, like, you guys aren't coming back so fast,
Speaker 1: and that's why Lala. Of course I'm skipping to the end,
Speaker 1: but we'll take it back to the beginning. That's why
Speaker 1: Lala had that reaction in the dressing room. I think
Speaker 1: La La La LA's tears to me came from these
Speaker 1: people fucked up my bag, and I'm pissed. I have
Speaker 1: a child, I have two homes, I have two mortgages,
Speaker 1: I have private school that my daughters, my daughter has
Speaker 1: to attend. I think Katie's like, whatever, you know, I
Speaker 1: have a sandwich shop. But no. I definitely think the
Speaker 1: intention Kate was to let them know that in that moment,
Speaker 1: you guys won't be seeing each other for a while.
Speaker 2: We saw at Home the ending where it showed them
Speaker 2: as they were when they joined the show and now.
Speaker 3: But they didn't get to see that part.
Speaker 2: So I wondered, since that aired after, you know, the filming,
Speaker 2: did they come to some conclusion between the end of
Speaker 2: filming and when they aired that final episode.
Speaker 1: I think they knew this. I think based on the
Speaker 1: feedback from the audience about this season early not not
Speaker 1: early on, but I would say maybe by episode five.
Speaker 1: K I think we all kind of knew, like, we're
Speaker 1: not that interested in this, like we thought we were
Speaker 1: going to be yes right. I think they knew that
Speaker 1: around that time when they shot the finale, they had
Speaker 1: no idea this was going to be a show that
Speaker 1: would be put on pause. I think they had a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. Santaval kind of intimated that when he said,
Speaker 1: I was doing my job and sorry, I disagree with you, Arihanna.
Speaker 1: I did not think it was good TV for you
Speaker 1: to walk away. I don't care who you are. That's
Speaker 1: not good TV. I think they knew towards the end, Kate,
Speaker 1: that you guys have to talk. You guys have to talk.
Speaker 1: You have to talk. It's sort of like Kim and Ini.
Speaker 1: When I produce season four of the Real Housewives of Atlanta,
Speaker 1: Kate Kim and Ini did not speak that entire season.
Speaker 3: The entire season.
Speaker 1: What would you do by your season?
Speaker 2: Now, just for a moment, I need you to walk
Speaker 2: me through that because we also see that on New
Speaker 2: Jersey with Melissa and Teresa. So what is that like
Speaker 2: behind the scenes? What is that like to work with
Speaker 2: two cast members that refuse.
Speaker 1: It's awful, It's bad. It's uncomfortable for the other cast members.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to lighten the mood and listen.
Speaker 1: It's one thing if you know, it's like the Queen
Speaker 1: Bee and you know the girl next door not talking.
Speaker 1: You don't care. It's too queen Bee. Right, let's have
Speaker 1: a real conversation, Kim Andini, the or the queen Bees
Speaker 1: on the same playing field. Right. Season four, as the
Speaker 1: cast supporting cast, it's uncomfortable. As producers is uncomfortable. We tried.
Speaker 1: I have a story for you. I haven't told anyone
Speaker 1: of the story. So so season four, we are scrambling
Speaker 1: for our finale. This is what I can tell you,
Speaker 1: with every fire for my being that they knew they
Speaker 1: needed Arianna and Sandaval to talk at a finale.
Speaker 3: So Mike it was the.
Speaker 1: And Santaval said, I'm game. So on season four of
Speaker 1: The Royal Housewives, of Atlanta. We had a finale party
Speaker 1: and the finale, as you guys know, all the cast
Speaker 1: members are there and Kim and Nini were there. It
Speaker 1: was a drag show. It was Miss Lawrence. He had
Speaker 1: a drag show where the queens were mimicking each of
Speaker 1: the housewives like Candy, Kim, charae.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember this, okay.
Speaker 1: And we beg Nini and Kim to talk. Kim let to.
Speaker 3: One of those conversations, sound like, what are you saying
Speaker 3: to them?
Speaker 1: Guys, think about the bigger picture. It's the finale, it's
Speaker 1: the end of the road. You two are the queen bees.
Speaker 1: Can we at least get a conversation? Do what's best
Speaker 1: for the show. What's best for the show is you
Speaker 1: guys at least addressing this issue, because once again, it's
Speaker 1: not that deep of an issue. You guys go through
Speaker 1: this every season. Y'all love each other at the top
Speaker 1: of the season and y'all fall out towards the end.
Speaker 1: This is the first season where you guys are like,
Speaker 1: we're not speaking to each other at all, and that
Speaker 1: was weird for us. Kim did not go on the
Speaker 1: Africa trip, so there was there was no room k
Speaker 1: for these women to talk. I felt like Nini probably
Speaker 1: would have tried if Kim showed a little bit of effort. Honey,
Speaker 1: Kim stormed out of the building, hop in her car
Speaker 1: and drove off. And my showrunner and we all were
Speaker 1: just like, we're fucked.
Speaker 2: Because you have to you have to report back to headquarters,
Speaker 2: Like we didn't get anything. They say to you are
Speaker 2: They like, well, what do you mean you didn't get anything?
Speaker 1: You know, Look, it's Kim and Nini, so no one
Speaker 1: can control these two force multiplying. So they understood. But listen,
Speaker 1: we're producers and you know this doing what you do,
Speaker 1: your perfectionists. You want to do a good job. And
Speaker 1: we felt like we failed. We felt like we failed
Speaker 1: the audience. Honestly, it was more so about who wants
Speaker 1: to watch a season where you're not talking at all?
Speaker 1: So we felt like we felt the audience. And when
Speaker 1: it came to the finale of vander Pump Rules, I
Speaker 1: when they showed the showrunner talking to Tom and they're
Speaker 1: breaking the fourth wall. It's a lot of pressure that
Speaker 1: was put on any finale. But most importantly, we're only
Speaker 1: watching this season to see what a conversation looks like
Speaker 1: between Arihanna and Tom and I'm not here to tell
Speaker 1: people what they should do. I will say this, I
Speaker 1: felt bad for Rihanna in this this reunion. I felt like,
Speaker 1: for the first time she really opened up in a
Speaker 1: way that I kind of understood her more when she
Speaker 1: said I just want you gone, so Kate when she
Speaker 1: said that, obviously as producer, the reason why she did
Speaker 1: not speak to him, Kate the entire season. She wanted
Speaker 1: him gone from the show, and she felt like, if
Speaker 1: I give you a scene that keeps you dingo, guys,
Speaker 1: that's why she didn't do it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, there was a moment where she didn't want her
Speaker 2: boyfriend or her boyfriend didn't want to participate.
Speaker 3: Because he wasn't getting paid.
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting too that they included that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they almost probably felt quartered like, we, as producers,
Speaker 2: we have to kind of explain how complicated this is.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's listen, you can't say I don't want
Speaker 1: to film with my ex, but I can't film scenes
Speaker 1: with my new boyfriend because he wantsn't. It's like, well, Arianna,
Speaker 1: why are you here? And that was disturbing for me. Kate.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like Why would I pay any newbie
Speaker 1: any amount of money. You're only on the show because
Speaker 1: you're dating the star of the show at this point,
Speaker 1: and I'm not paying you shit? Who are you? I
Speaker 1: just started paying Brock? Why I'm paying you? Right?
Speaker 3: And that took quite a bit from him.
Speaker 2: Would it have made it better for the producers if
Speaker 2: she had said sometime throughout the season, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be around him because I feel like he purposely
Speaker 2: humiliated me and everyone in the world has been privy
Speaker 2: to my pain. Something like that where she kind of
Speaker 2: explained that, because I feel like she was sort of silent,
Speaker 2: like her modus operane was like, I'm just not going
Speaker 2: to address him at all. I just want him to
Speaker 2: go away, like as if he never existed. Right, But
Speaker 2: do you think they would have been happier and felt
Speaker 2: less pressure towards the end of the season to have
Speaker 2: that moment if she had done.
Speaker 1: That, I'm going to tell you why the Onus unfortunately
Speaker 1: is on the cast. No one's forcing you to do
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Right, and they be got paid well, they got well.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen the moment you signed on to do another season,
Speaker 1: you know already you have to be around these people.
Speaker 1: If you felt so uncomfortable being around him, then there
Speaker 1: should have been a conversation that said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to come back this season. If you guys want me
Speaker 1: to be around him and film with him, I just
Speaker 1: I would rather just take take the year off if
Speaker 1: that's what you guys want. But if you guys are
Speaker 1: comfortable with me not filming with him and all this season,
Speaker 1: then that's fine. I don't think she had that conversation
Speaker 1: because you have said it. And I think you can't
Speaker 1: blame the producers for wanting the moment. We all want
Speaker 1: it because that's their job too. And I agree with
Speaker 1: Lala and everyone else honestly in the sense of we
Speaker 1: all had to deal with bad moments that we wish
Speaker 1: we could not you know, talk about, but we did it.
Speaker 1: It's our job. And I think the problem with some
Speaker 1: reality stars they forget that this is a job. I
Speaker 1: cannot kate, your kids cannot go to school, and the
Speaker 1: teacher says, I don't feel like giving you guys a
Speaker 1: lesson today. I'm going to sit back and listen to
Speaker 1: Casey Saturday series and how about trading? How about you
Speaker 1: guys just you know, go on your phone no one
Speaker 1: gets away with that. So reality stars, you sign on
Speaker 1: to do a job, stop treating this show like you're
Speaker 1: doing them a favor.
Speaker 2: Two things with that, they started filming after the story exploded.
Speaker 2: There was like a couple of weeks, you know, there
Speaker 2: was like a like a layerver kind of period. What
Speaker 2: kind of conversations do you think they would have had
Speaker 2: with the cast before, you know, as they're signing their
Speaker 2: contracts and they begin to film, would they have conversations like,
Speaker 2: you know, as part of us telling the story of
Speaker 2: the aftermath, like you're all going to have to talk
Speaker 2: about how you feel and what's going on in your lives.
Speaker 2: Or do you think that they'd been filming for so
Speaker 2: long they just assumed that they would do that.
Speaker 1: I think it's the ladder. I think when your show
Speaker 1: has been off it's been ten seasons.
Speaker 2: Is really very impressive because most shows don't make it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all, So it's super impressive.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why they probably assume, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what this is, like, we filmed breakup, makeup,
Speaker 1: And I think we also have to be reminded that
Speaker 1: they lived together. They lived together, so of course as
Speaker 1: a producer. I'm like, hey, guys, cameras up, go to
Speaker 1: their house, spend the day there, Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: I think Arianna unfortunately thought she was bigger than the show.
Speaker 2: I think that she actually had been checked out. I
Speaker 2: think she started to get all these opportunities, and she
Speaker 2: finally was probably at a point where she was like,
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like I was part of the
Speaker 2: show anyway, because she was sort of kind of in
Speaker 2: the background before, Like, now I have the freedom to
Speaker 2: actually leave the show. So I almost wonder if it
Speaker 2: would have been better for her if she had left
Speaker 2: in the same way Rachel did, just had not signed
Speaker 2: on to another season. That would have given her the
Speaker 2: space to properly heal, and they, inevitably, I think they
Speaker 2: would have.
Speaker 3: Waited for her.
Speaker 2: By the end of the episode, you know, she says
Speaker 2: in her own words like I'm still not ready.
Speaker 3: I'm still healing.
Speaker 2: So I feel badly for all the parties involved to
Speaker 2: some degree, because she wants more time to heal. The
Speaker 2: network wants to film because everybody in the world was
Speaker 2: talking about this story, and so everybody's on different timelines.
Speaker 3: No one like, no one in this whole thing. It
Speaker 3: seems to be like they're happy.
Speaker 1: No no, Noah and Tom obviously wanted the conversation. Did
Speaker 1: you believe his tears when he started crying to Arianna.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he cared.
Speaker 2: I actually don't think he has a problem with anything
Speaker 2: that happened. I think he's really enjoying the attention that's
Speaker 2: come with this whole scandal. I don't think he's upset
Speaker 2: about Rachel. I don't think he's upset about Aria. I
Speaker 2: don't think he thinks about anybody other than himself.
Speaker 3: Do you believe those tears?
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. It was one of those things
Speaker 1: where I'm like because when he's when he said to
Speaker 1: his cast, like, you guys know me, I'm emotional because
Speaker 1: I was. I was trying.
Speaker 2: He's emotional when it has to do with things about himself,
Speaker 2: like it's he sings a song and you know he's
Speaker 2: it's all very performative, you know, And we know that
Speaker 2: because if you look at the archival footage, he says
Speaker 2: at the end of the last day of filming, you know, oh,
Speaker 2: it looks good for me. So I don't think he
Speaker 2: has had one moment of introspection, and I think he's
Speaker 2: so happy about how he became a mainstream celebrity from it.
Speaker 1: That is wild. It is.
Speaker 2: Which, by the way, most of these shows are built
Speaker 2: on people that have that personality type. We all can't
Speaker 2: forget this. This is not like Dolores down the street.
Speaker 2: You know, these are people that have at some point
Speaker 2: pursued this job because they thought it was the escalator
Speaker 2: to success us or whatever it may be. They all
Speaker 2: were pursuing jobs in the entertainment business.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, you're right, You're right, and and it
Speaker 1: brings me to to just the Lala of it all.
Speaker 1: So when they show the finale and Arianna got a
Speaker 1: chance to see all the things that Lalla said about her,
Speaker 1: she thinks she's Beyonce. Why is all of a sudden
Speaker 1: She's like this god, you know all of these things.
Speaker 1: And you saw you saw the reaction from Arianna's face,
Speaker 1: like whoa. But La La stood on business. She said,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna apologize for what I said, but I
Speaker 1: will apologize if it made you feel bad. But I
Speaker 1: felt that way when when La La started talking about Kate,
Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff she went through and she
Speaker 1: never got to pass, and and and that's the part
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about when you
Speaker 1: are producing a reality show, everybody wants to feel treated equally, obviously,
Speaker 1: like any job. Yeah, but we know when it comes
Speaker 1: to being famous, everybody wants to be treated like the
Speaker 1: star of the show, although in every show there is
Speaker 1: a star of the show, right, And I think for Lala,
Speaker 1: she could not handle Arianna getting the special treatment because
Speaker 1: she was not allowed that when she was going through
Speaker 1: her stuff with Randall.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's that much. I think
Speaker 3: it's you first said.
Speaker 2: I always say, and you always agree with me, that
Speaker 2: these shows, the fights that they actually have on the
Speaker 2: show are really about outside opportunities and perceived power positions.
Speaker 3: So I don't even think it has to do much.
Speaker 2: Even with Randall, I feel like it's really about I'm
Speaker 2: the headliner of the show. And I think they were
Speaker 2: all in disbelief that Arianna became the front runner. I
Speaker 2: think they were like this girl who's been boring for
Speaker 2: all these years. She's more, bigger deal than we are, bigger, better, better,
Speaker 2: like what. I think they were so consumed by jealousy, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I like how many times, I've said
Speaker 2: it's like a docu series on like the aftermath of
Speaker 2: a scandal in American.
Speaker 3: Media, Like that's what the show to me.
Speaker 2: This season was like watching everybody get angry because she
Speaker 2: was the one who was the front runner. I don't think, really,
Speaker 2: I don't think it really has that much to do
Speaker 2: with like, I think she there's a part of Laala
Speaker 2: that made peace with the fact. I think in the
Speaker 2: quiet of the night, when she's alone in her thoughts,
Speaker 2: she knows that certain things that she said and did
Speaker 2: early on in the show made a lot of the
Speaker 2: audience never want to embrace her, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: body shaming people and the way that you know, she
Speaker 2: was kind of like unwilling to talk about her relationship,
Speaker 2: and there were signing NDAs so they couldn't reveal who
Speaker 2: the boyfriend was.
Speaker 3: I think she does know. I think she's a smart girl.
Speaker 3: She knows that.
Speaker 2: I think this really was about who is number one
Speaker 2: in this show. I think they're running through that numbers
Speaker 2: the whole time, like episode two or whatever, like the
Speaker 2: first two weeks of filming, they're like, I hope she's
Speaker 2: not getting paid more than I am. I hope she's
Speaker 2: not gonna be called to watch a ton she got
Speaker 2: a razor deal or we're kiddying ourselves right now. Oh,
Speaker 2: she's got a deal with a box company. You gotta
Speaker 2: be fucking kidding me.
Speaker 3: I think that's really what it's all about.
Speaker 1: And honey, that's what the season. That's way more interesting
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: That, to me, was the story. That was it.
Speaker 1: That's the smoking gun. Oh my gosh, you're right, because
Speaker 1: the thing is this Arianna was always the one you
Speaker 1: sort of forgot about, right, Yeah, she was.
Speaker 2: But I also think that's because Tom Sandoval made it
Speaker 2: that way. I mean, is she somebody that probably walks
Speaker 2: into a room and kicks the door open. No, I
Speaker 2: think she's probably a little bit more of an introvert,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more quiet. But I think
Speaker 2: he enjoyed that about her because he has to be
Speaker 2: the star of the show. He purposely chose someone like that.
Speaker 2: He likes Rachel's you know that are like quiet and
Speaker 2: let him lead the way. I think that guy thought
Speaker 2: he was number one guy of the entire show, not
Speaker 2: even of the guys, but number one in his mind.
Speaker 2: They're all operating like that. Sheena still thinks she's number
Speaker 2: one on the show. How about this scene where she's like,
Speaker 2: why can't it ever just be about me?
Speaker 3: I'm like, what a girl they're all but they're all
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I know, because oh my god, this is so fascinating
Speaker 1: to me. Is what you said is the aftermath of
Speaker 1: a scandal in American media, right, how the dark Horse
Speaker 1: galloped to become the star of the show and these
Speaker 1: sort of narcissistic characters from La La to James Kennedy
Speaker 1: to Sanda Baal. I think those three, if you ask
Speaker 1: any of those three to me, I think those three
Speaker 1: think like I'm the face of the show. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: the face.
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But the dark course with someone who they least expected.
Speaker 2: It was someone who doesn't have to swallow all the
Speaker 2: air in the room. And on top of it, probably
Speaker 2: there is an element of like and they're all like
Speaker 2: loving her and feeling such empathy for her, like where
Speaker 2: did this girl come from?
Speaker 3: I think it's all about that. You know what It's like.
Speaker 3: It's like those classic.
Speaker 2: Movies of the nineties where you know, there's the popular
Speaker 2: group of girls at school and then they're like horrified
Speaker 2: when the when the playing girl in the background gets
Speaker 2: the guy's attention. It's like a Freddie Prin's movie junior movie.
Speaker 1: Starry Sa Michelle Geller right.
Speaker 2: And they're like wait, and all the popular girls are
Speaker 2: like who is this girl? And then she's like prom
Speaker 2: queen or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like that.
Speaker 2: They're like wait what They cannot believe it, And then
Speaker 2: on top of it, it's like, how much money are
Speaker 2: you gonna make Anny next season? I mean to their
Speaker 2: that they did make moment, most of the moment with
Speaker 2: the merchandise and all that stuff, But the only glitch
Speaker 2: is that I think they thought that that would continue
Speaker 2: on and on and on, and it's just like these
Speaker 2: moments just live in small spaces and time.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. This is fascinating to me because
Speaker 1: as a producer I can say to you the thought
Speaker 1: process that some reality stars have is just that, is
Speaker 1: she gonna be in watching happens life more than me?
Speaker 1: Is she getting on her is she getting a raise?
Speaker 1: Why is she getting all these opportunities? I mean, shit,
Speaker 1: other people having cheated on Why does she get dancing
Speaker 1: with the stars? Why? I think the biggest thing to
Speaker 1: me this is what I knew Kate. We were operating
Speaker 1: in a whole nother fucking universe. Ask you no, excuse me,
Speaker 1: I'm an a watch her the View when The View
Speaker 1: turned their set into Sir Restaurant and they dedicated the
Speaker 1: entire segment to Ariana, which.
Speaker 2: By the way, Joe Joy Behar has never watched joy
Speaker 2: An episode.
Speaker 3: She has no idea, none of them. What are we
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: Why we talk about this blonde woman like I cheated on?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? This is what the world has
Speaker 1: come to. When I saw that, I said, we're.
Speaker 2: Yep, But I remember I asked Alex about it and
Speaker 2: he said, you know, something like real Haizards of Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills and the Girardi lawsuits so complex, but this skin
Speaker 2: of all was just very relatable. A mistress, a cheating
Speaker 2: affair like that's relatable everywhere anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Who's your friend? Who did it on your nose?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: No, it was the makings like you said, it's the
Speaker 1: makings of a scandal, and now we're talking about the air.
Speaker 2: And then also when Lala said, I don't think they've
Speaker 2: been honest about their relationship the whole time. So imagine
Speaker 2: you're on a show and you feel like in their mind,
Speaker 2: they were all like, I'm living authentically, which I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, unless I'm filming the show, I don't know
Speaker 2: how authentic they are. But like we're living this like
Speaker 2: you know, we're burying it all. And then these two
Speaker 2: yahoos come out of nowhere like they've been acting this
Speaker 2: whole time, like they're in this love affair and now
Speaker 2: everybody is talking about they've coined it scandalal like he
Speaker 2: gets taught, like his name in this.
Speaker 3: Top billing. Are we kidding here? Lala's like it should
Speaker 3: have been called Lalapalooza. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna title this episode.
Speaker 2: This is so funny too, But like so much of
Speaker 2: this season was like wait, Dancing with the Stars, like
Speaker 2: Shena is upset by the way, I mean, credit to
Speaker 2: the guys and the girls behind the scenes make a
Speaker 2: miss show because they must have been punching a wall laughing,
Speaker 2: like the Dancing with the Stars. The wars, Like how
Speaker 2: do I wouldn't you tell me? I've been like practicing
Speaker 2: my whole life to be on that show.
Speaker 3: If that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's like, let's stop kidding ourselves is
Speaker 2: they're about a group of friends. I don't even think
Speaker 2: that most of them are even friends anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. It also reminds me to Kate when
Speaker 1: Mauricio got Dancing with the Stars and Kyle so crazy,
Speaker 1: right what?
Speaker 2: So imagine that you're on the show for years and
Speaker 2: your she's like, my family has been in Hollywood for
Speaker 2: how many years? And this bozo who sells you know,
Speaker 2: condos and four bedroom houses.
Speaker 1: Dancing till he has an agency in Mexico and aspd in.
Speaker 2: They're like, just because he sells a house in Mexico
Speaker 2: City doesn't mean he can do the chimmy choga.
Speaker 3: Or whatever those dances are? What is it called apasso
Speaker 3: doble a?
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, let's be honest, Like you
Speaker 2: work with these reality stars, it's all about like what
Speaker 2: other answery opportunities?
Speaker 3: How much attention am I getting? How many followers you have?
Speaker 2: Do you remember back in the old days, when like
Speaker 2: Real House was Atlanta, stars used to like fight over
Speaker 2: who had more followers, and then they were like all
Speaker 2: getting botsed out do one another because that's the crap
Speaker 2: that they would think about. Everybody has to Remember they're
Speaker 2: not like us. But you know, like people are trying
Speaker 2: to make sense of it this season, you can't make
Speaker 2: sense of it because we can't really relate.
Speaker 1: No, but this is why I'm gagging. You made sense
Speaker 1: of what this entire season was about. And what this
Speaker 1: entire season was about is the fact that ninety percent
Speaker 1: of this cast could not handle that the quiet Woman
Speaker 1: became the star of the show and they all felt
Speaker 1: like producers allegedly placated to her, that they made sure
Speaker 1: she wasn't put in an uncomfortable situation, she wasn't forced.
Speaker 2: And I don't agree with that at all. I think
Speaker 2: that's absurd. Yeah, I don't think that's true. Do you
Speaker 2: think that's true?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do you think they spent the entire season like on
Speaker 2: their tippy toes around her? I bet you they were
Speaker 2: like frustrated, they wanted more out of her. But you're
Speaker 2: dealing with someone who is very open about the fact
Speaker 2: they do not at that point in time want to
Speaker 2: talk to somebody that just wronged them, Like you can't push.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't push, right, So that's why it's it
Speaker 1: was always uncomfortable from the onslaught because the moment she
Speaker 1: signed on to do the season. Everybody working on that
Speaker 1: show said, yes, we were gonna get the moment because
Speaker 1: ten years into making this show. One thing about this cast,
Speaker 1: I will say this, they will go down history as
Speaker 1: one of the best casts in reality television, you know
Speaker 1: history to me, like the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, Atlanta, Like
Speaker 1: there's cast that you're like the Hills, you know that
Speaker 1: that just that was just magic and this cast was magic.
Speaker 1: So when she came back, I really do believe like
Speaker 1: you said, they were frustrated, like you're not going to
Speaker 1: talk to the person that low key gave us another season?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And now, yeah, they're own palls? Do you think this
Speaker 1: pause is a real Housewives of Miami palls?
Speaker 3: Like years years? I don't think they can film for
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: I don't think they only because I think they're probably like,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what this show is anymore, because
Speaker 2: like I talked to a lot to producers and sometimes
Speaker 2: they'll say that like they were working on a project
Speaker 2: and it's like we don't really know what this is
Speaker 2: or what this is going to be. And as it
Speaker 2: is right now, I don't think there is anything much there,
Speaker 2: and there's not one cast member alone. That is enough
Speaker 2: for a show. They worked well because they were a
Speaker 2: great ensemble. And sometimes, like I've heard someone behind the
Speaker 2: scenes say about Real Housewives and it still makes me laugh.
Speaker 2: And it's been years and years. They said, they all
Speaker 2: come to me and they want to spin off, and
Speaker 2: I just want to say to them, you only make
Speaker 2: sense on that, yes, like you only make sense and ensemble.
Speaker 2: You don't make sense anywhere else. It's like somebody who
Speaker 2: plays water polo who then wants to be a soccer player.
Speaker 3: You make sense in water, not on land.
Speaker 1: But seriously, you make this a water cave but not land.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You're not Jesus, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna walk on water.
Speaker 2: But baby, but can we just like also take a
Speaker 2: moment and just think, because everyone's like lost in like
Speaker 2: their emotions and stuff. But if you're really in charge
Speaker 2: of the show, I want everyone to just to kind
Speaker 2: of like imagine yourself and just like a drone moving
Speaker 2: out of the middle of this. Laala is going to
Speaker 2: have another child? How much does her life really relate
Speaker 2: anymore to Tom Schwartz? Yeah, and does Katie ever really
Speaker 2: have much to do with Sena anymore? Like it all
Speaker 2: doesn't make that much sense anymore. You need to, like
Speaker 2: time for it to breathe, and it maybe turns into
Speaker 2: something completely different. And maybe the blessing of that is
Speaker 2: that Katie has a whole new group of friends.
Speaker 3: She hangs out with them. They're more interesting than the
Speaker 3: original cast ever was.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like I said on your show last week,
Speaker 2: Lala would make sense as a real housewife, but not
Speaker 2: for another ten years when her kids are teenagers and
Speaker 2: they can roast her. But I don't think people want
Speaker 2: to see her like making baby food because they like
Speaker 2: her banter.
Speaker 3: She's somebody who does well with banter.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, Like I just think on her own
Speaker 2: she would be exhausted from it. She needs people to
Speaker 2: play off of. Oh wait, the other thing, I wait,
Speaker 2: this is such a nuance. When she said the thing
Speaker 2: about Jack's and Brittany and the babysitter versus a nanny, yes,
Speaker 2: like that was kind of absurd because well, you would
Speaker 2: get this. She said, there's a difference between a babysitter
Speaker 2: and a nanny, And essentially she was mad at Brittany
Speaker 2: and because Brittany and Jackson called her and probably spoke
Speaker 2: to her mother because she wasn't available because they were
Speaker 2: in Kentucky, and they found out that La La was
Speaker 2: poaching the babysitter or the nanny, so they're both using
Speaker 2: the same babysitter. So Lala's point was like, well, it's
Speaker 2: all semantics because there's a difference between a baby and
Speaker 2: a nan, a babysitter and nanny. I just use her
Speaker 2: as a babysitter. What's the big deal. Well, you're pregnant
Speaker 2: with a second child, which would mean you require more time,
Speaker 2: and they have a child who has special needs, and
Speaker 2: when you have a child with special needs, change is difficult.
Speaker 3: For the child. That's why they went crazy. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just want to add that.
Speaker 1: No, no, and I'm glad you did because a lot of
Speaker 1: people missed that, right. But no, I'm glad you raised
Speaker 1: that point too, because, look, I agree with you in
Speaker 1: the sense of none of these cast members can carry
Speaker 1: a show on their own. The thing about Vanda Pum
Speaker 1: Rules is do we care to see another season like this?
Speaker 1: So I think you and I can say no to that.
Speaker 1: But do we think the show could have ever survived
Speaker 1: if Rihanna did not return this season?
Speaker 3: Oh no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, because only because like this massive issue.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, trying to make a show after
Speaker 2: COVID and not addressing that there was COVID.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would be weird.
Speaker 2: I also kind of feel like I don't know if
Speaker 2: Ariana should have come back. I think she should have
Speaker 2: taken Well, it's hard for It's easy for me to
Speaker 2: say because I don't know her find aential situation, and
Speaker 2: I don't you know, don't know what her game plan is.
Speaker 3: With her team.
Speaker 2: But I thought I think she had a lot of power,
Speaker 2: more power than she realizes now. If she had said
Speaker 2: I don't want a film for at least six months,
Speaker 2: I think they would have said okay.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they would have pushed production for six months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really do. And I think she maybe would
Speaker 2: have felt better about it by then and possibly even
Speaker 2: maximized even more opportunities in the meantime. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think she's top of mind now for lots of stuff,
Speaker 2: isn't We can we just talk about how funny that is? Again,
Speaker 2: they're like this girl who never spoke she is now
Speaker 2: hosting Love Island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like what happened?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: You would think La? La will host Love Island.
Speaker 2: I know, right, I know She's probably like, I'm not
Speaker 2: hosting Love you guys. I this like when I tell
Speaker 2: my kids, like it's my birthday every year and I'm like, you, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm a year older and they're like, we know you're old,
Speaker 2: Like we got it.
Speaker 3: Like this is no surprise to us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think she was probably like what, But I think
Speaker 2: that's how they all exist. She got to be on
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars. Is so funny again that Dancing
Speaker 2: with the Stars is like the crum de la crumb.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a goddamn nightmare.
Speaker 1: Well, Liasta Banda Pop allegedly quit after two weeks because
Speaker 1: if that job is hard. Okay, So I guess you
Speaker 1: and I need to decide, Kate, how many years does
Speaker 1: vand Pump Rules need to be on pause?
Speaker 3: At the very least a year?
Speaker 1: One year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the very least. Oh, by the way, what
Speaker 3: are they going to do in the meantime? What are
Speaker 3: they going to do?
Speaker 1: Is Arianna going to get gigs in that one year pause?
Speaker 1: Is the Is the hype going to die down for her? Well?
Speaker 2: You know, and eventually will. But I think that she
Speaker 2: has been wise to book a lot of stuff, so
Speaker 2: she might go, you know what, I kind of need
Speaker 2: four months off, like I want to just like chill out,
Speaker 2: because she's going from there that she's going to host
Speaker 2: the show, and then she'll probably have a couple more things.
Speaker 2: She takes a four month break and then they come back.
Speaker 2: But then, you know what the real story is how
Speaker 2: much they despise her because they've been Nicol and Diamond
Speaker 2: outside you know, Panhandlon on Sons and Lord, and she
Speaker 2: used to pull up in a Bentley and she used
Speaker 2: to have like a fur coat on and like a
Speaker 2: cigarette extender shar like an old timey woman. Yes, jambozos,
Speaker 2: what have you guys been up to? I was just
Speaker 2: at the Vanity Fair party and then sheena like bites
Speaker 2: on glass.
Speaker 3: That's the story. That's it.
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. Actually, I mean, look
Speaker 1: what we saw when the show's going pause is this
Speaker 1: Miami Housewives is the best Housewives to.
Speaker 2: Me, without question, there's no like number one, top of
Speaker 2: the top right here, pop well, Chef's kiss good.
Speaker 1: Amazing, And then I mean, look the valley is the
Speaker 1: show that it's good? Right? Jack's Brittany all on pause
Speaker 1: for what like two maybe three years actually right, yeah.
Speaker 3: That was yeah, But by the way, it's they're more
Speaker 3: interesting now.
Speaker 1: So it worked for them. So again, I think we
Speaker 1: need to miss them, and I think Arianna and Tom
Speaker 1: need to have other relationships to where the focus.
Speaker 2: Isn't they didn't even have a hot minute to just
Speaker 2: even like let it breathe. I mean again, I have
Speaker 2: empathy for all the parties involved, network producers, cast all
Speaker 2: of that. No one was going to be happy with
Speaker 2: that timeline. They were dealing with such huge fame and
Speaker 2: interest and wanted to make the most of the moment.
Speaker 2: But the truth is, I think it would have always
Speaker 2: been there. If you had waited six months, I think
Speaker 2: people still would have been interested.
Speaker 1: And look, I will say this, you guys had a
Speaker 1: hell of a round ten seasons of any reality show.
Speaker 1: It's nothing to sneeze at, and they deserve all the
Speaker 1: props in the world for continuing to entertain us. And
Speaker 1: I listen, I feel bad for the kids.
Speaker 3: James Kennedy's He's going to make the most of all
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, everybody wants to party,
Speaker 1: so a DJ of his celebrity. Yes, you're you're always
Speaker 1: going to want to see that. It's the reason why
Speaker 1: DJ poly d is still relevant. Yes, that is something
Speaker 1: that is sustainable. Like you said, A be's a Vegas.
Speaker 3: La the party, the party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely is going to be Okay. I think
Speaker 1: a few of them may be on Traders. I could
Speaker 1: see or time on Traders honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh you know, Katie would be pretty good too.
Speaker 1: Katie would be great.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know why because Katie is a really good
Speaker 2: at sniffing out the con.
Speaker 3: She's very good at that.
Speaker 1: And she's calm with it, and she yes, I like
Speaker 1: that that the I as she's she's.
Speaker 2: Like, you know what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: she goes on Traders and then she becomes more successful
Speaker 2: than she's ever been ever on vander Pump Rules. Then
Speaker 2: when she comes back, she's going to be like, you fools,
Speaker 2: I killed it on the Traders and then has a
Speaker 2: whole other element. It's the people that they didn't expect
Speaker 2: to be stars that will come out winning.
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