WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Missing Link On Defense? 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.119 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:19.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.360 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:34.360 Star in Frisco. Stay here are Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:39.840 us Rob Phillips and Bill Jones and welcome into Talking 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.320 Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage studio, a chili studio and 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.600 a chili rainy day out here at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.120 Cowboys out there practicing THEA in it right now, Rob 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.400 Phillips and for Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.560 Bie Weeks over. It's time to get back to work, fellas. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.840 Nine games right, nine games to decide this season the 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.080 Filling four and three football team. Jerry Jones was asked 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.200 about that football team and their record. Not too happy 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.000 about that? Huh thinks it should be better? Is anybody 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.840 happy with it? Are you happy with it? No? Why 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:20.840 should be six and one? Six and one? Yeah? The 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.880 thing that made the thing I learned this weekend is 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:26.520 teams take advantage of players being out, like Green Bay 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.080 taking advantage of Kansas City not having their quarterback. I 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.440 wish you could have done the same thing against New Orleans. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.360 You know, anytime a key players out of a game, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.360 you got to take advantage of that. And that's maybe 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.160 what this team is. Maybe this team is a four 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.840 and three team. That's what the record says. Am I 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.400 right about that? Mickey? Yeah? Absolutely. And when you go 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.080 back and look at it, and you lose two of 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.960 those three games by two points, should have won both 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.280 of them. Sure, I'll give you the Green Bay game 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.040 for whatever reasons, and there were a lot of reasons 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.280 they ended up losing by what they did. But you 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.800 can't lose to the Jets, no, I'm sorry. And look 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.320 what these other teams have done to Sam Darnold the 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.360 last two weeks. Yeah, so even though they had a 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.840 lot of offensive guys out, he still felt like they say, 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.640 to get it done. Ninety two yard touchdown. Yeah, that 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.520 had nothing to do with the offensive tackles not being there. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.600 This is Jerry's quote on the fan this morning. I 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.200 think that we have the potential. He's speaking about being 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.519 a contender. I don't think the way that we have 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.800 played so far we'll get us there on balance the 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.680 good and bad. Yeah, but he cites the health of 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.280 this team right now, the talent level, and the things 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.960 they're trying to do to improve moving forward. He said, quote, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.720 I think we've got a chance to get to the playoffs. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.480 And if we do, and if we're healthy, I think 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.800 we've got a chance to advance. He's being awfully realistic 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.040 about the situation right now. Well, when they do lead 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.240 their division, I mean when you see what they did 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.320 to the Eagles and it's like, okay, well how about 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.919 that on a consistent basis, Yeah, you know, you had 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.560 you had New Orleans. You're on the road, right on 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.800 the road in that place, and you hold them to 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.320 twelve points and all you can manage is ten. Yeah, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.400 you know, and and weird things happened. I know, you 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.079 lose two fumbles. One of them shouldn't have been lost. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.200 Uh you you had a first and ten at the 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.600 eleven and you kicked the field goal. You missed the 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.640 field goal. I could find you three points real easy 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:27.560 in that game. Sure, And so yeah, you know that 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.880 was a winnable game. I'm sorry, and we knew that. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.080 That's why. I don't know why when Jerry said that today, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.120 everybody's like, oh, oh, he's unhappy. Well, they're all unhappy. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.400 Go ask the head coach. Sure, go ask the quarterback. Yeah, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.360 you know, go ask the CEO. They're they're all unhappy 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.400 that they're four and three. So and that's a good 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.000 thing because they shouldn't be satisfied, and especially with the 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.000 loss to the Jets. So we'll see where it goes 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.080 from here. And it's going to be a tough road. 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.000 You gotta go play Monday night. Then you got to 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:01.120 come home play Minnesota, and then the next three of 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.760 the four games are on the road, and one on 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.680 a short week after a long trip back from New 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.520 England on an afternoon game. And I imagine it we'll 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.840 get into the Giants probably as the week goes on, Brian, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.680 but it's a different football team. It is different quarterback 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.560 that they'll face this week. It is Daniel jones Is. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:24.559 I've applauded Dave Gettelman and and Pat Shermer for making 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.200 that move. You know, they weren't going nowhere with Eli Manning. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.440 Eli Manning is a great part of their history Giants 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.280 since nineteen twenty five. The Giants have a great football 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.039 history and he's part of that. But they need to 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.640 move on and Daniel Jones gives him a little bit 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.240 different attack, and you know, the last time these two 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.280 teams played, Golden Tate was not involved either, you know, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.919 and you know Daris Slayton has been kind of emerged 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.800 as a nice player for them. We've always kind of 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.600 talk about Evan Ingram and what he's done. Defensively, they 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.800 still have a lot of the same guys, so they 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.800 have got to figure out defensively. You know, James Betcher, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.240 the defensive coordinator there, had better figure out how he's 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.120 going to play this time around. He didn't get nearly 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.520 enough pressure. He allowed free access and routes and these 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.279 cowboy receivers ate him alive doing that. So, yeah, things 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.440 are different on offense. They're not so much different on defense. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.560 And that's something that the Giants. They've had to live 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.880 with that the last couple of weeks, as far as 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.440 not being able to stop people at key times, losing games, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.760 the Detroit game, the Arizona game, you know they had 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.160 they were playing New England toe to toe and then 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.440 that second half got away from him. There. So different team, yes, offensively, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.120 different team defensively absolutely not same problems given up a 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.560 lot of plays in the passing game. Yeah, secondary, they 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.920 have no pass rush. Yeah, that's a big problem from 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.520 They do not get any pressure on your on your front. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.520 And it's a shame when you and I don't care 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.960 who you're playing, when you lose a game and your 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.520 quarterback completes one eight forty one for three twenty two 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.760 and throws ford touchdown passes and you get beat because 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.480 your defense can't hold down the fort right, So he's 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.719 not the problem and it's not at all he as 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.880 Brian said, he just may be the answer on offense 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.720 and gold and Golden Tate had a nice game on Sunday. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.400 you don't need you don't need what happened like with 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.200 Sam Darnell young quarterback getting hot during a game and 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.560 then all of a sudden, then you're doing all the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.720 things that Mickey talked about. The missfield goals, penalties, turnovers, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:37.680 whatever you know, plagues this this offense at times. You know, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.920 untimely penalties are holding after a big game, a drop pass. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.640 You don't need that same thing to happen. You don't 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.760 need to encourage Daniel Jones to play in this game 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.080 kind of like the Jets game. Oh yeah, don't give them, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.600 don't give them around, don't give them any reason to 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.240 hang around this kid. If you watch the if you 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.680 watch what happened to him and in the Arizona game, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.719 they got behind and all of a sudden he started 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.719 holding the ball. He had some problems in the pocket. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.760 They knocked the ball out of his hands a couple 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.040 of times. You know, you need to create that kind 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.080 of pressure. Don't let him feel comfortable, like you let 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.480 Sam Darnel feel comfortable. Or he will find Golden Take, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.400 or he will find Darius Slayton, or he will find 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.120 Evan Ingram, or they'll hand the ball to that runner, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.040 you know, and make it really tough on you right then, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.120 and he might go, that's the one guy that you 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.800 should really worry about, you know. I know they've done 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.640 some better things in the run game, Cowboys defensively, but 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.480 it's all coming back to, you know, every time it 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.520 looks like they hand that ball to that twenty six, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.440 it's a five yard game, and then with the potential 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.920 of it being a seventy five yard game. So this 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.920 team is not good enough just to roll their hat 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.640 out that they played good enough against Philadelphia to do that. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.240 They played they played with the most complete games they 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.400 played all season, offensively, defensively, on special teams. They have 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.120 got to have that kind of intensity for the next 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.560 nine weeks. And they got to play better on the road. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.280 You know, you realize two of the three losses are 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:07.280 on the road, and the and the one road that 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.840 they won, they struggled against Washington. You know, that wasn't 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.960 as clear cut as the final score might. They struggled 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.520 in the first half if I remember correctly, and then 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.360 they allowed him a late touchdown to make it close. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.640 They've struggled in every first half until the Eagles game. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.760 So they got to play better on the road. They can't. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.920 Was sitting there going, oh, we're on the road, and 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.000 you let that happen. They're one and two. Used to 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.679 be a staple of Jason Garrett was good road team, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.280 you know, and we maybe this will see that in 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.240 the second half coming back. But Mickey's right, the margin 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.640 of era on the road has not been good. The 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.400 margin of era at all has not been good. You know, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.600 that's been a problem. Absolutely. Now, the bye week I'm 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.480 sure helped a lot of guys health healthy. Yeah, and Brian, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.199 you radio professional, you segued right into the defensive pass 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.839 rush and trying to improve that. Right, they've got a 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.760 new player on defense number seventy nine. He's out there 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.480 practicing right now. Michael Bennett. Cowboys completed the trade with 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.559 the Patriots. Kind of came together quickly on Thursdays. Everybody 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.760 was getting done with the work week. Give me your 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.520 impressions on that trade, Nick, you want to start this 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.120 thing off, Yeah, I think that. I think it was 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.200 one of those risk reward things. Very low risk on 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:22.600 it from a compensation standpoint. It starts with a conditional 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.040 seventh and it only become a sixth and twenty twenty one. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.400 By the way, he only had has one point six 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.280 million dollars left on his base salary, and that's all 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.880 the Cowboys have to be responsible with. He has a 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.880 ninety three thousand dollars per game bonus that can get 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.280 to eight hundred and forty thousand for the Cowboys if 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.040 he plays all nine games. So to me, the risk 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.120 is very low from compensation wise and salary wise, and 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.040 the reward can be pretty high. And if he comes 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.760 in and you know it is a problem or causes 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.160 a problem, then you just take out the eraser and say, okay, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.960 that was a seventh round pick. We move on. But 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.840 I think what they were looking for as a replacement 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.680 for Tyrone Crawford, they needed somebody that can play inside 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.640 as a pass rusher and he can also play defensive end. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.120 So I just don't see as it's a win win 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.080 situation at this point. And as long as he behaves 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:29.800 himself and doesn't become you know, destructive in the locker room, 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.240 UM go with it. Veteran guy. He had nine sacks 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.040 last year for the Eagles, a lot of pressures too. Yeah, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.760 I mean that's when, yeah, sometimes pressure is more important 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.680 than sacks. Because Jason Garrett always talks about can you 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.240 affect the pocket? Look in the Philadelphia game, how they 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:50.240 affected the pocket and they got turnovers, sack fumbles, interceptions 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.800 affecting the pocket. This is what Michael Benet is capable 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.040 of doing. And you know, if you go back, you 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.439 look at the guys who are part of the Belichick tree. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.920 They last year they to Nick Saban, they asked him 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.080 about Amari Cooper. This time around, Jason Garrett goes to 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.480 the horse's mouth. Of the mouth of the horse, I 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.200 guess that's how you say or something like that the 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.600 horse's mouth, and you know, and Nick Saban and excume 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.720 you with the Bill Belichick, and you know, he's developed 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.959 a relationship with Belichick and Belichick's moving on from guys. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.600 Maybe he doesn't make a fit. Their coach talked about 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.480 if you look at the way that the Patriots, and 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.280 we'll get into the Patriots here in a few weeks. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.240 Their defense is different. If you ever watched the Patriots play, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.320 they play with a lot of linebackers. Now, that's how 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.720 they attack the pocket, That's how they rushed the passer. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.199 They get as many linebackers, size linebackers on the field 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.480 and rush and that's what they've done. And Michael Bennett 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.760 doesn't have a role in that. There was some games 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.200 early the year where he played more as a defensive tackle. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.480 I think that's what he's going to do for this team. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.079 He is going to play the Crawford role, and I'll 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.000 tell you what, he will give you more of a 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.400 pass rush than Crawford. Crawford's a powerful guy. This guy 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.000 is powerful, but he also has a feel for how 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.480 to get to the quarterback, how to affect the pocket, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.480 and how to get other guys home along with him. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.040 It's one of those moves that you make because in 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.480 the second half of the season, you know you're gonna 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.559 line up against guys in Minnesota, in Detroit, in New England. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.920 You've got some quarterbacks on the horizon that will stand 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.280 there and throw the football from the pocket. You've got 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.200 to find ways to affect how they play, so you 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.680 have a chance to get stops in those games to 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.560 get off the field. And you know, the other thing 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.240 is he's pretty fresh. He's only played one hundred and 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.680 thirty three snaps in six games. That's like twenty two 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.920 a game, thirty six percent of their snaps. So yeah, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.760 he hasn't been worn out. The last game he played 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.760 against the Giants, it was Game six, he had eleven snaps. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.400 So you would imagine the guys should be somewhat motivated 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.880 to come here and produce and you know, be a 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.559 good teammate. At that point. We'll see. So what did 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.280 you think about it when it came down? Well, I 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.760 think you guys mentioned the Crawford rule. They needed somebody 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.240 else to play, maybe a couple different positions, help out 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.480 on the edge, and Brian talked about the inside rush. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.560 You imagine getting your best pass rushers all on the 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:13.920 field at once, potentially Quinn Tank and Michael Bennett rushing 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.520 in clear passing situation. Ke Collins throwing there MALIEK Collins. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.640 That's a pretty good mix, you know, assuming he can 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.040 get up to speed. And I think Jason spoke to 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.000 this in the press conference, his familiarity with Chris Richard 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.480 playing under him in Seattle. Not only that, but Mickey 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.199 you mentioned, you know, he's got a locker room tag 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.960 that's kind of carried him for some years, you know, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.440 could he be a distraction? That's a talking point that 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.080 people have so far. I think Chris Rochard surely gave 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.640 his stamp of approval as both of Michael Bennett, both 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.360 as a player and a person. That's a big reason. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.280 I'm sure why this deal got done too. I'm sure 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.360 Richard had to talk with him before they pulled the trigger. Wait, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.600 and why wouldn't he right, Sure Jason Garrett had to 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.800 talk to him too. Yeah, absolutely so. And don't don't 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.360 you look at him as more of a defensive tackled 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.840 in the defensive end. Absolutely, That's why I kept hearing 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.920 people talking about, well, they still need a defense. No, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.320 this guy is gonna be a defensive tack He can't 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.400 help there, but absolutely because that's where he needs to help. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.360 He could help at the tackle spot of being that 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.400 under tackle in the pass rush. But also too, what 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.480 if they got it right a right end other than 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.240 Robert Quinn. That's why. Men. Yeah, all of a sudden, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.280 you're you're thinking, like, Okay, Armstrong, has he really done much? 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.520 Joe Thomas or not? Joe h U, Joe Jackson Jackson 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.880 Well hiders Hider has been okay, but Joe, but Joe 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.720 Jackson on the other side, got a lot of youth 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.080 on that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can't. I mean, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.960 coming out of camp, you're like, you're hopeful. I think 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.400 I was hopeful, but you haven't got it, and you 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.520 know you're gonna need to keep Robert. Robert Quinn's played 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.080 a lot of snaps already, you know. And the fact 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.080 I like the fact that Mickey brought up the point 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.720 this guy hasn't played much. It reminds me very much 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.720 of a deal you make in the baseball you know, 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.160 for the stretch run, for the Pennant Drive, you go 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.040 get a pitcher, you go get somebody that has got 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.120 some skins. On the wall that knows how to play 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.680 in these big games, that can affect the way that 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.880 these offenses. You know, how you could affect the offense. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.960 And I'm all four, Yeah, we need to keep an 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.120 eye on Robert Quinn. Let's see if Robert Robert Quinn 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.920 has been very good through these first seven games. Let's 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.520 see in the second half. There's a lot of times 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.080 some of these defensive ends get war down, you know, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.320 but he seems like to me, he's holding up there 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.680 pretty well. So get as many of those guys on 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.000 the field that it can affect the pocket and do 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.640 what you did against the Philadelphia Eagles. Take a very 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.840 good offensive line, put them in peril, put their quarterback 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.960 in peril, and hopefully continue to create turnovers. What do 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.760 you think it says about Tristan Hill's development at this point, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.840 twenty one years old and not ready. He's not ready. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.240 He's not obvious, it's all. We've had seven games. Yeah, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.440 he's not ready. He's not ready. And the hope was 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.680 that that maybe you know that you could plug him in. 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.600 There's some plug and play players. This team has had 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.880 a great success with plug and play players quarterback. You know, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.440 by injury, but he plugged you know, they plugged him in. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.800 He played the running back. Look at all the offensive lineman, 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:03.560 Tyron Smith's Martin, Travis Frederick. Plug and play guys, you know, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.040 Lyle Collins, plug and play guys. You know what I mean, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.840 that's what they do. Side receiver. You traded four last year. Yeah, 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.880 they just get guys and they plug him in and 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.520 they play and sometimes they don't. Right. Connor Williams struggled 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.080 early into the rookie year. Did he get better when 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.120 they brought him back from the surgery? Yes? Is he 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.400 better this year? He has his moments, but he's better. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.360 So maybe Tristan Hill kind of the same thing, or 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.000 at least they hoped. Yeah, right, twenty one years old 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.400 again and Connor Williams was a young guy. He was 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:35.080 the same he shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have had 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.360 a lot of success doing that. You know, there's some 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:42.120 positions that are plug and play. He is he hasn't learned. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.280 He okay, learning, I mean he you got to have 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.320 some tools. You give your tool belt, you gotta have 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.720 some things the way to kind of play. He's trying hard, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.320 his efforts good. I think that's got to be pointed 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.400 out too, that it's not like there's it's not easy. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.800 He's not a bump. And you know, and I know 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.880 there's people that will probably say, oh, well, Taco was 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.560 a bump. You know that his attitude was bad and 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.160 all that. That's a whole nother story another day. This 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.880 kid's got a really good attitude. He just doesn't know 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.760 how to play at the NFL level right now. And 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.320 you hope when he's twenty two years old that all 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.439 of a sudden the light comes on and it's like, oh, 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.640 I'm a little bit stronger, I'm a little bit tougher. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.080 I understand now what I have to do in order 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.919 to be active every week. So the trade deadlines in 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.040 today three hours on three and a half hours, we 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.359 gotta take a break. Why don't we carry that one over? All? Right, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.679 that sounds good a few hours. I didn't mean to 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.680 grab the steering wheel until the trade line ends. Will 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.800 the Cowboys do anything else? That's next? On talking cowboys. 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:45.640 Your new apartment's big, such a great deal, It's okay, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:52.959 just okay. What's not right above the subway? 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This 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.680 is a bonus day because of the Monday night game 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:23.199 against the Giants technically next Monday next week, and probably 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.760 a lighter practice. Mick, what's it gonna look like today? Yeah, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.840 I think it's going to be a very light practice. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.320 You know, they understand what the schedule is coming up. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:37.160 You know, you get back late on Sundays Monday night, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.560 and you got a short week, so it's even shorter 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.360 because you probably won't get back to four or five 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.280 in the morning. So they've got to be very mindful 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.440 of these guys legs, even though they had the break. 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.280 You don't want to get back and wear them out 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.120 and then they're tired for the next week after that game. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.159 And the fact that they've got the three road games 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.800 in the next four after the Minnesota game on the road, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.560 and you're gonna have to play at New England, you're 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.760 gonna get back late, and then a short week for 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.520 Thanksgiving and then a road game the next Thursday. So 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.960 they got to be very careful with how they practice 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.679 and didn't want to wear them out this week. So 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.800 they get back in their normal scheduled Thursday, Friday Saturday 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:27.520 for this game. So from an injury standpoint, Jason talked 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.760 about Layton Vanderish and Robert Quinn should be good to go, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.280 minor standing as Anthony Brown is not quite ready maybe, 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.320 so they're going to see if he can do something 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.119 this week, but they're not going to force it, and 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.800 they're going to make sure that those other guys that 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.280 played through those injuries, those five guys that ended up 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.440 playing against Philadelphia after being out or missing the last 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:56.040 part of the previous game, don't do anything to regress, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:58.919 So they were going to go easy on those guys too. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:04.280 To Tyrn Smith, it's the Leo Collins, the uh Randall Cobb, 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:09.520 Marie Cooper, um Byron Jones, So they're gonna be careful 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.320 with those. But the big thing this week is my 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.080 understanding is Cameron Flooming is gonna miss several weeks with 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.320 the strained calf he's suffered on Thursday, had the MRI, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:28.719 and so Brandon Knight, this is your life unless yes, uh, 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.959 unless I know that one there's some sort of trade 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.320 that comes down and they find a veteran that they 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.360 can bring in, because my understanding, he can miss two 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.520 to three weeks. Yeah, so it happened on the bye week. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.480 It happened Thursday. Happened on Thursday. And the worst part 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.200 is when it explained to me it wasn't he wasn't 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.880 even doing a football deal. He was holding the bags 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.240 and the people were punching him like they hold up 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.440 the pads, and he got a step back and strained 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.640 his calf. Sometimes those are the worst injuries. That's that's 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.359 a position where okay, if it's Brandon Knight as your 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.080 swing tackle, you know, and then the next guy's up 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.520 are your guards who would have to move outside and 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.720 feel moves inside. Yeah, that's that's the the plan. One 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.679 A is Brandon Knight. Plan one B is hello Connor 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.639 Williams or hello Zach Martin. You know that if that 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.639 came to that, so you know, and then they do 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.240 have a couple of kids on the practice squad and 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.040 stuff like that if they felt like that thing was 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.560 long term. But Mickey was Mickey was very on the 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.040 spot talking about maybe two to three games kind of 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:34.720 a thing. So we'll see. And it's a deal with 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.120 Tyrann Smith and Lyle Collins that have been banged up 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.159 this year. But the bye week I'm sure helped both guys. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.080 They were able to play in the Eagles game, they 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.359 were outstanding. Yeah, I mean, I know, I know Smith 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.840 probably struggled a little bit more than Collins. He eliminated 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.800 Brandon Graham in that game. And you and you worry 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.680 about Brandon Graham. You worry about Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.080 those are the two names you worry about. So yeah, 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.000 and then this this week we've talked about earlier. Giants 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.439 don't have a great pass rush. They just don't. And 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.280 you know, if they can hold up. You know, Dak 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.560 Prescott can continue to make throws. We've seen him have 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.840 success last year. Remember the game against the Giants at 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.720 the end of the year. I mean he he won 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.600 that game with one of the best throws I've ever 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:15.240 seen to Zicole Beasley. So and hopefully they get to 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.280 Amari Cooper going again. And then also remember Randall Cobb 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.359 had a really nice game against these guys in Week one, 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.280 So maybe get him back in the end zone once again. 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.399 You know, it's almost like the worst position of need 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.639 out there is offensive line, right, There's not enough of 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:33.399 them to go around. We talk about it in camp 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.960 every year teams aren't cutting them. No. No, if you've 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.920 got them, you hang on to them. And no one 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.720 has a surplus, no. And it's it's funny that you 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.400 say that even the really good teams like New England 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.600 was hunting. I mean there's seven to no. They're always 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.800 hunting offensive lineman. You know, they get away with with 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:50.959 the guys they play with, but they don't nearly have 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.120 I mean, the kid a whyat the kid they drafted 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.119 from from Georgia a couple of years ago is just 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.280 now working back in. I mean, they've gone a long 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:04.919 time without having guys, you know, quality backup guys. But 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.359 they get by because of the quarterback and the receivers 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.439 and the running backs. The way they play. I mean 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.800 remember the slash turnovers. When Philadelphia was going to be 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.960 without Peters, Brian pointed out the rookie first, what was Dillard? 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.800 Is it Andre Dillard get and they were hesitant to 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.560 play him and he was a first round pick. So 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.119 just imagine what everybody else is out there kind of 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.600 trying to play with. They're not they're not you know, 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.200 you're not going to give up what evidently Washington's looking 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.480 for with Trent Williams. It sounded like they want two 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.680 first round picks or a first in a second. They 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.680 have out two, for sure, I've heard, and but they're 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.160 probably looking for a one. Yeah, is what they're looking 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.240 for for for sure. Right there. That's Washington being stubborn 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.639 right there though. But that's also shows you how valuable 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.159 if you can find one of these guys that somebody 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:52.880 wants to get ridder, but no one wants to get 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.920 rid of these guys, and you can say, okay, well 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:58.400 maybe you spotted somebody on somebody's practice squad. Okay, well 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.960 that's just bringing in another guy to hasn't played, which 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.240 just shows you two Washington situation running game. Moses is 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.359 now the head coach on the entrance basis, and the 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.800 guy still doesn't want to play, you know, you know 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.119 you figure man, his coach is involved, man, you know, 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.440 and he's still now I'm not interested in coming into 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.040 that train wreck. I never thought i'd say they miss 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.480 they miss Cameron Fleming, but maybe they're good. Well, Brandon 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.000 Knight showed them some things in the limited snaps he's gotten. However, 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:29.600 he's a rookie, undrafted rookie. Yeah, and that's why they 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.080 went with Fleming in that swing role when he's been healthy. 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.720 Marc Colombo saw something in the kid that he was 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.040 playing guard. I mean, he was playing tackle. I've seen 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.439 him played tackle at Indiana. Wasn't terrible signs as a 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.119 free agent. If you would have said, hey, who is 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.160 the surprise guy that's gonna make this football team, someone 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.280 would have put me and said, oh, hey, by the way, 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.359 Brian Brandon Knight's gonna make this football team. It's at guard. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.239 I might get out of here. No, But they they 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.520 thought enough of him, and he wasn't He's he hasn't 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.199 been terrible. I think that he's gonna be if he 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.040 had to play, would be happier with him than he 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.480 would Camp Flaming. He's actually an example of what you 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.159 guys are talking about. They had some injuries early in 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.159 the season, had to get I think Cedric Wilson up 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.800 from the practice squad. He was not the cut never 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.960 was to make I mean, and they had a surplus 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:16.679 there and they hung on to him for basically what 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.080 you guys were talking about. If you think you got 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.359 a good when you hang on to him at tackle, which, 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:25.360 by the way, they they were able to release justin Hamilton. 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.520 They figured that was the spot to make room friends. Yes, 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:30.960 and he had Bennett, he had number seventy nine. I 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:34.600 believe they didn't and for a brief moment, very brief moment, 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.360 and blink of an eye, and now when you see 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.000 Bennett out there, yeah, he'll be in seventy nine. Okay, 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.160 So you guys have talked trade and I know we're 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.359 taping this as of Tuesday morning, so if if you 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.080 folks listen later in the day, this will be old news. 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.200 But trade deadline at three pm Central, Jerry Jones said 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.040 on the fan quote, anything is possible when it comes 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.000 to making a deal. You think he's being serious, You 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.479 think they've got something. I think you know, the phones 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.320 have been ringing both ways, probably and you can just 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.680 kind of listen and then, um, I don't. I don't 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.440 see a big splash. What else do you think they need? Well, 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:11.680 I just told you, besides anything else besides potential offensive 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:16.320 tackle depth, they've addressed defensive line specifically, maybe the interior 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.240 more than the exterior line. Has anybody Mickey talked to 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:24.520 you about a safety? Has anybody hit just the radio radio, 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.199 the radio guys, Yeah, you know, I and you know, 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.560 we forget they do have that Josh Jones on the 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.679 practice they do. They do, and it's funny because we 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.800 kind of forget about him. But you know, if you 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.160 if you ask about safety. But I asked two or 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.239 three different guys that said, hey, what's your situation on 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.040 Like Mickey said, we're taking calls. We're looking for a 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:52.560 right deal. I said the specific position, and they're like, no, 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.600 not really. So you know if you think, yeah, well 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.640 it's a safety ad, it's a defensive end, Yeah, it's 0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.920 the offensive lineman. Yeah. I mean, I just think the 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.720 looking for the right deal. If somebody were to come 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.840 along that that you know that that someone's having a 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.880 fire sale and they're like saying, listen, we're one and six, 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.440 we're not going anywhere, and you know, we're we're just 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.400 gonna try and recoup a pick or two of a 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.960 guy that we might not be able to resign then 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.560 instead of waiting for the compensatory pick. That that that's 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.240 smart business. But I just kind of got the feeling 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.360 that they're taking calls, but they're not really actively going 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.800 after uh you know, now it sound like that Williams, 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.240 the defensive tackle that the Giants got was a guy 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.480 that they were interested in. But the price with that, 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.600 the what the Giants end up giving basically the Giants' 0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.480 third round pick at the rate they're going right now, 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.160 that's gonna be like a late two. So you know, 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.600 that's kind of where you're at with that. That's you know, 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.080 if you if you to make that deal, you we're 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.200 gonna probably have to give up your two or maybe 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.360 a little bit more to make that that that pick 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.640 for or get that trade for Leonard Williams done, and 0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:00.360 then also have to resign him at the end of 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.200 the season. He's in the same boat as he came 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.520 in the same draft class, first round class as Byron Jones, 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.120 both playing on those rookie the rookie contract, the fifth 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.160 year option. Uh no, so and you never know why, 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.680 but he hadn't been playing. Yeah this year he's seven games, 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.040 no sacks. And we saw the Cowboys part with a 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.000 first round pick last year for Amari But at the 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.280 time they said, that's it's not business they love to 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.960 get into because they know and you know, as a 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.120 personnel guy, Oh, I've sat there and when Jerry Agonies 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.320 not having to pick back to back years then that 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.240 would have been the first time in what ten years 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.280 that they traded a first round pick. You have to 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.760 go back to Roy Williams. Roy Williams, it's the lifeblood 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.560 of your franchise because you're getting well, they're they're pretty 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.920 good at it. They happened, they happen, and it's essentially 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:49.400 five years of a contract that's fairly cap friendly, you know, 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:54.080 depending on where you sit. And so yeah, we'll see you. 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.480 Can I ask you a question. I think you said it, 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:57.200 Brian with right deal, It's gonna be the right deal, 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.040 Bennett was the right deal? Is there in a position 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.840 you would give a first round pick four right now? Mickey? 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.480 I mean, I'm just any position, any position on for 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.680 this team. Is there any position that you would give 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:13.120 a first round pick four? If it was a it's 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.640 got to be a it's got to be a Maury 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.400 Cooper type of a player. It's got to be a 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:21.160 top say twenty five type player on someone's team. I 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:30.760 don't think so. I see I'm thinking I was thinking, like, uh, 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.920 I'm thinking about a safety. But then again, every time 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.720 I think about a safety, I remember the draft last year, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:38.800 and when you want to even use a second round pick. 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:43.440 And and that's absolutely right, because every one of my safeties, 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:48.240 Adderly and the kid from Washington and all. The only 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.240 safety that was off the board was the kid from 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.400 Mississippi State that the Raiders took Abram, And all of 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:57.840 a sudden, they had every safety on the book all 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.239 on the board, and that at fifty eight and they 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.760 didn't take They didn't even look at any of them. 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:04.880 So here I'm saying, oh, yeah, I would give up 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.720 a first round pick for a safety and then and 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.680 they had a chance at fifty eight to grab when 0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.160 and they didn't. Theydn't even want to do that. I 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.000 just don't see it realistic. Yeah, And so you're saying 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.320 if you're out there saying, oh, yeah, well they'll trade 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.160 for a safety, Well no, they won't because they didn't 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.240 want one in the first place. They had a chance 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.160 to draft a young safety have some control for four years, 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.200 and they didn't even they didn't even take that. Yeah, 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:31.560 and didn't think about the sort of somewhat veteran safeties 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.880 they've brought in here over the last several years. They 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.360 didn't even make the team. What if somebody offered you 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:43.520 a tight end? Is that asking too much or first, 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.920 I think they they really liked Blake Jarwin. They just 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.360 he's just not on the field exclusively every snap. Yeah, 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.320 but at some point in time with Wit, at some 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.600 point you're not gonna have Wit, right, Yeah, and you 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.600 need an all purpose Yeah. I don't know if you 0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:00.440 look at Jarwin as the all purpose tight end. I mean, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.440 that's supposed to be schultz Um. You know, we haven't 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.840 seen him do much, but a lot of that has 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.200 to do with Whitton being here. At some point you're 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:09.800 gonna need it. But I don't know. I don't know 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:11.560 this year if it's a spot where, oh, we gotta 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.520 feel this and I need a first round pick for 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.240 a see tight end. Michael Bennett's a glaring thing that 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.560 you can because of this. I mean I talked about 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.720 it last week. I said, if they had to do something, 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.760 they need something at defensive tackle us and that's what 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.680 they did to us. You know it's funny too, I 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:31.480 was they don't They shouldn't, uh, at least me. You know, 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.240 people were asking me about Hayden Hurst and I and 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.440 I'm I'm asking you a question about a guy that 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.320 plays with the Baltimore Ravens. So that's unfair. Yeah, he's 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:40.960 a tight end. He was a first round pick with 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.640 the Baltimore Ravens in twenty eighteen. He was a twenty 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.800 fifth pick overall, but people were asking me about him. 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.120 I remember him coming out of South Carolina being really athletic, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.640 I mean like really athletic, like a like these these 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.960 tight ends you see nowadays. But then you know, but case, 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.400 but he's the third guy the Ravens have drafted. I mean, 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.200 they have drafted some tight ends and he's kind of 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.600 been an odd man out. Now. I'm not asking for 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.799 a first round pick here, but you know, would they 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.640 do it for a second round pick? Would they do 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.239 it for a third I don't know if Baltimore would 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.120 trade the guy, but I mean that's the kind of 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.319 if you were looking for another position, maybe that tight end, 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.000 you get to try and get a jump on that 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.920 for next year. So you don't have to because this 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.640 team is going to draft a tight end next year, 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.200 and the question is if they do it in the 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.600 second round, everybody's gonna lose their damn mind because they 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.880 every time they draft a second round tight end he 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.960 doesn't pan out. Well. Surette Water trade a second then 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.040 or pans out somewhere else. Yeah, but that's what say 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.200 you get a second round pick for a guy that 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.120 you kind of know could play a little bit like 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.400 Hayden Hurst and just say, Okay, we're gonna we're not 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.319 gonna worry about it. We're gonna go ahead and take that. 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.280 I mean, in Philadelphia we traded, you know, Michael Lombardi 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.759 and I traded for Hugh Douglas. Hugh Douglas was the 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.160 fifteenth player overall taken in the and Parcels had had 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.399 enough of him, and we trade a second round pick 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.160 for a first round player. And Hugh Douglas played a 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.040 lot of years. Mickey, you guys covered the team division. Yeah, 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.759 Hugh Douglas was a good player for them as a 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.760 So maybe maybe that's the kind of thing you're looking 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.680 for right now as far as a trade you're looking forward, 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.400 Maybe I could give a second round pick for a 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.719 first round player that someone really doesn't see in their 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.720 plans going forward. All right, stay tuned. Three pm Central 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.240 is the deadline. See if the Cowboys do anything else 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.880 trade wise. 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Maybe something different 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.799 for this team to keep the momentum going that they 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:24.799 had against Philly a week ago. Something different, yeah, or 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:26.479 more of it. I'd like to see what I saw 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.200 from the defense against Philadelphia. Yeah, you know, get after 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.879 the quarterback. Brian talked about affecting the pocket. Yeah, this 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.759 is a young quarterback, you know, don't let him get comfortable. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.600 Just to what he said. So I want to see 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.800 this pass rush continue the way it did against Carson Wentz. 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.759 They made him uncomfortable and too many times he was 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.040 having to roll out and throw on the run. I'll 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.279 take my chances with that, more so than the guy 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.440 sitting in the pocket playing any meany miny moe out 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.920 there trying to you know, got all these choices of 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:03.560 where to throw the ball, So that has to be 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:09.200 more consistent along with just playing better defensively against the run. Yeah, 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:10.960 I think you're gonna have to go six and three 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.920 down the stretch to win this division. And so I'm 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.560 kind of looking at these games like the Detroit New 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:20.360 England Buffalo stretch. You know that that's got me a 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.839 little concern, which, like Mickey said, though, you need you 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:28.000 need to find a way to play better to affect 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.040 the pocket. And I guess you could start again with Minnesota, 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.640 Detroit and New England would be really nice if they 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.359 can get They could get Michael Bennett going on this 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.359 thing and then allow Quinn to continue his role. I 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.920 haven't wrote about this last week was getting Lawrence going too. 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.160 I think Lawrence is starting to get a feel again, 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.480 feeling good about himself physically health wise. I think you're 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.200 going to see him with better pass rush. I'm always 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.239 excited when I see like guys like Nate sold Or 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.839 playing for the Giants this week. You know, I mean, 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.360 he does not play with power. He's supposed to be 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.920 a really good athlete. He allows a lot of pressure. 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.960 Mike Reemers is the same kind of guy, bigger guy, 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.359 But I feel like though athletic ability wise, you could 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.560 do some things to get some pass rush on these 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.560 guys and affect this young quarterback. Those games I watched, 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.560 you know, I saw him how I saw him get struggled, 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.600 struggle in the pocket, drop some balls, hold onto some 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.080 balls because he wasn't sure about the coverage down the field. 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.919 So get a good start here, because again, there's gonna 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.000 be a stretch coming up Minnesota, Detroit, New England where 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.040 you're gonna have to deal with some some stellar quarterbacks 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:37.560 and you have to be ready to to affect him 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.600 with pass rush and then also be able to cover 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.960 those guys as well, six and three down the stretches 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.080 your prediction to try to get you got this thing go. Yeah, 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:48.600 Philly got a tough road win. Yeah on Sunday, They're 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.320 they're not going away. No, they're not. So got to 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.799 be one of the six too. Yeah, but that's yeah, 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.719 that's and you know, I'm looking at that. I don't 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.520 think the Bears can score ten points. I mean, they 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.879 just they have they haven't done it all year. They're 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.520 not so their defense, I think it's starting to get 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.480 war down. But who knows about the rams, you know, 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.880 I just feel like those if you could find a 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.239 way to navigate the middle part of that schedule and 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.920 get to the end with that bears Rams Philly and 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.360 Washington bit. You know, you could, you could set yourself 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.160 up for some for some good things, you know. I 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.359 think that was a good point on Lawrence too, the 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.560 fact that seems to be coming around. We just assume 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:30.040 when guys have a surgery that's not an acl R, 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.319 that they just come back and play right, no big deal. Right, Well, 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.160 it is a big deal, and you have to have 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.200 confidence in your shoulders once again. And I you know, 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:40.279 I want to remember how much time he missed. He 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.840 missed everything, sure did everything. And there's also a chemistry 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.040 with your fellow lineman getting each other home on rushes. 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.240 I mean, there's just things getting back into the mix 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:52.560 for him that probably took a little bit of time. 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.120 We'll think about when that stuff worked. It was when 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.160 he was paired with Tyrone cobsolutely. Yeah, that's kind of 0:42:58.160 --> 0:42:59.960 where I was going. And then how they kind of 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.440 they'll have to account for that. They'll have to account 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.960 for Michael Bennett. They will have to account for him 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.680 for sure. All right, Good enough, Thanks you guys for 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.520 joining us. We'll be back with Bill on Wednesday to 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.439 keep breaking down Cowboys Giants, Cowboys back from the Bye 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.279 and the Break is next. Stay tuned. This has been 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.560 a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:20.759 Cowboys Football Club.