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Speaker 1: Nine games right, nine games to decide this season the
Speaker 1: Filling four and three football team. Jerry Jones was asked
Speaker 1: about that football team and their record. Not too happy
Speaker 1: about that? Huh thinks it should be better? Is anybody
Speaker 1: happy with it? Are you happy with it? No? Why
Speaker 1: should be six and one? Six and one? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: thing that made the thing I learned this weekend is
Speaker 1: teams take advantage of players being out, like Green Bay
Speaker 1: taking advantage of Kansas City not having their quarterback. I
Speaker 1: wish you could have done the same thing against New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You know, anytime a key players out of a game,
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of that. And that's maybe
Speaker 1: what this team is. Maybe this team is a four
Speaker 1: and three team. That's what the record says. Am I
Speaker 1: right about that? Mickey? Yeah? Absolutely. And when you go
Speaker 1: back and look at it, and you lose two of
Speaker 1: those three games by two points, should have won both
Speaker 1: of them. Sure, I'll give you the Green Bay game
Speaker 1: for whatever reasons, and there were a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: they ended up losing by what they did. But you
Speaker 1: can't lose to the Jets, no, I'm sorry. And look
Speaker 1: what these other teams have done to Sam Darnold the
Speaker 1: last two weeks. Yeah, so even though they had a
Speaker 1: lot of offensive guys out, he still felt like they say,
Speaker 1: to get it done. Ninety two yard touchdown. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the offensive tackles not being there.
Speaker 1: This is Jerry's quote on the fan this morning. I
Speaker 1: think that we have the potential. He's speaking about being
Speaker 1: a contender. I don't think the way that we have
Speaker 1: played so far we'll get us there on balance the
Speaker 1: good and bad. Yeah, but he cites the health of
Speaker 1: this team right now, the talent level, and the things
Speaker 1: they're trying to do to improve moving forward. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: I think we've got a chance to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And if we do, and if we're healthy, I think
Speaker 1: we've got a chance to advance. He's being awfully realistic
Speaker 1: about the situation right now. Well, when they do lead
Speaker 1: their division, I mean when you see what they did
Speaker 1: to the Eagles and it's like, okay, well how about
Speaker 1: that on a consistent basis, Yeah, you know, you had
Speaker 1: you had New Orleans. You're on the road, right on
Speaker 1: the road in that place, and you hold them to
Speaker 1: twelve points and all you can manage is ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and weird things happened. I know, you
Speaker 1: lose two fumbles. One of them shouldn't have been lost.
Speaker 1: Uh you you had a first and ten at the
Speaker 1: eleven and you kicked the field goal. You missed the
Speaker 1: field goal. I could find you three points real easy
Speaker 1: in that game. Sure, And so yeah, you know that
Speaker 1: was a winnable game. I'm sorry, and we knew that.
Speaker 1: That's why. I don't know why when Jerry said that today,
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, oh, he's unhappy. Well, they're all unhappy.
Speaker 1: Go ask the head coach. Sure, go ask the quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, go ask the CEO. They're they're all unhappy
Speaker 1: that they're four and three. So and that's a good
Speaker 1: thing because they shouldn't be satisfied, and especially with the
Speaker 1: loss to the Jets. So we'll see where it goes
Speaker 1: from here. And it's going to be a tough road.
Speaker 1: You gotta go play Monday night. Then you got to
Speaker 1: come home play Minnesota, and then the next three of
Speaker 1: the four games are on the road, and one on
Speaker 1: a short week after a long trip back from New
Speaker 1: England on an afternoon game. And I imagine it we'll
Speaker 1: get into the Giants probably as the week goes on, Brian,
Speaker 1: but it's a different football team. It is different quarterback
Speaker 1: that they'll face this week. It is Daniel jones Is.
Speaker 1: I've applauded Dave Gettelman and and Pat Shermer for making
Speaker 1: that move. You know, they weren't going nowhere with Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is a great part of their history Giants
Speaker 1: since nineteen twenty five. The Giants have a great football
Speaker 1: history and he's part of that. But they need to
Speaker 1: move on and Daniel Jones gives him a little bit
Speaker 1: different attack, and you know, the last time these two
Speaker 1: teams played, Golden Tate was not involved either, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know Daris Slayton has been kind of emerged
Speaker 1: as a nice player for them. We've always kind of
Speaker 1: talk about Evan Ingram and what he's done. Defensively, they
Speaker 1: still have a lot of the same guys, so they
Speaker 1: have got to figure out defensively. You know, James Betcher,
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator there, had better figure out how he's
Speaker 1: going to play this time around. He didn't get nearly
Speaker 1: enough pressure. He allowed free access and routes and these
Speaker 1: cowboy receivers ate him alive doing that. So, yeah, things
Speaker 1: are different on offense. They're not so much different on defense.
Speaker 1: And that's something that the Giants. They've had to live
Speaker 1: with that the last couple of weeks, as far as
Speaker 1: not being able to stop people at key times, losing games,
Speaker 1: the Detroit game, the Arizona game, you know they had
Speaker 1: they were playing New England toe to toe and then
Speaker 1: that second half got away from him. There. So different team, yes, offensively,
Speaker 1: different team defensively absolutely not same problems given up a
Speaker 1: lot of plays in the passing game. Yeah, secondary, they
Speaker 1: have no pass rush. Yeah, that's a big problem from
Speaker 1: They do not get any pressure on your on your front.
Speaker 1: And it's a shame when you and I don't care
Speaker 1: who you're playing, when you lose a game and your
Speaker 1: quarterback completes one eight forty one for three twenty two
Speaker 1: and throws ford touchdown passes and you get beat because
Speaker 1: your defense can't hold down the fort right, So he's
Speaker 1: not the problem and it's not at all he as
Speaker 1: Brian said, he just may be the answer on offense
Speaker 1: and gold and Golden Tate had a nice game on Sunday. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't need you don't need what happened like with
Speaker 1: Sam Darnell young quarterback getting hot during a game and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, then you're doing all the
Speaker 1: things that Mickey talked about. The missfield goals, penalties, turnovers,
Speaker 1: whatever you know, plagues this this offense at times. You know,
Speaker 1: untimely penalties are holding after a big game, a drop pass.
Speaker 1: You don't need that same thing to happen. You don't
Speaker 1: need to encourage Daniel Jones to play in this game
Speaker 1: kind of like the Jets game. Oh yeah, don't give them,
Speaker 1: don't give them around, don't give them any reason to
Speaker 1: hang around this kid. If you watch the if you
Speaker 1: watch what happened to him and in the Arizona game,
Speaker 1: they got behind and all of a sudden he started
Speaker 1: holding the ball. He had some problems in the pocket.
Speaker 1: They knocked the ball out of his hands a couple
Speaker 1: of times. You know, you need to create that kind
Speaker 1: of pressure. Don't let him feel comfortable, like you let
Speaker 1: Sam Darnel feel comfortable. Or he will find Golden Take,
Speaker 1: or he will find Darius Slayton, or he will find
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, or they'll hand the ball to that runner,
Speaker 1: you know, and make it really tough on you right then,
Speaker 1: and he might go, that's the one guy that you
Speaker 1: should really worry about, you know. I know they've done
Speaker 1: some better things in the run game, Cowboys defensively, but
Speaker 1: it's all coming back to, you know, every time it
Speaker 1: looks like they hand that ball to that twenty six,
Speaker 1: it's a five yard game, and then with the potential
Speaker 1: of it being a seventy five yard game. So this
Speaker 1: team is not good enough just to roll their hat
Speaker 1: out that they played good enough against Philadelphia to do that.
Speaker 1: They played they played with the most complete games they
Speaker 1: played all season, offensively, defensively, on special teams. They have
Speaker 1: got to have that kind of intensity for the next
Speaker 1: nine weeks. And they got to play better on the road.
Speaker 1: You know, you realize two of the three losses are
Speaker 1: on the road, and the and the one road that
Speaker 1: they won, they struggled against Washington. You know, that wasn't
Speaker 1: as clear cut as the final score might. They struggled
Speaker 1: in the first half if I remember correctly, and then
Speaker 1: they allowed him a late touchdown to make it close.
Speaker 1: They've struggled in every first half until the Eagles game.
Speaker 1: So they got to play better on the road. They can't.
Speaker 1: Was sitting there going, oh, we're on the road, and
Speaker 1: you let that happen. They're one and two. Used to
Speaker 1: be a staple of Jason Garrett was good road team,
Speaker 1: you know, and we maybe this will see that in
Speaker 1: the second half coming back. But Mickey's right, the margin
Speaker 1: of era on the road has not been good. The
Speaker 1: margin of era at all has not been good. You know,
Speaker 1: that's been a problem. Absolutely. Now, the bye week I'm
Speaker 1: sure helped a lot of guys health healthy. Yeah, and Brian,
Speaker 1: you radio professional, you segued right into the defensive pass
Speaker 1: rush and trying to improve that. Right, they've got a
Speaker 1: new player on defense number seventy nine. He's out there
Speaker 1: practicing right now. Michael Bennett. Cowboys completed the trade with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Kind of came together quickly on Thursdays. Everybody
Speaker 1: was getting done with the work week. Give me your
Speaker 1: impressions on that trade, Nick, you want to start this
Speaker 1: thing off, Yeah, I think that. I think it was
Speaker 1: one of those risk reward things. Very low risk on
Speaker 1: it from a compensation standpoint. It starts with a conditional
Speaker 1: seventh and it only become a sixth and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: By the way, he only had has one point six
Speaker 1: million dollars left on his base salary, and that's all
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have to be responsible with. He has a
Speaker 1: ninety three thousand dollars per game bonus that can get
Speaker 1: to eight hundred and forty thousand for the Cowboys if
Speaker 1: he plays all nine games. So to me, the risk
Speaker 1: is very low from compensation wise and salary wise, and
Speaker 1: the reward can be pretty high. And if he comes
Speaker 1: in and you know it is a problem or causes
Speaker 1: a problem, then you just take out the eraser and say, okay,
Speaker 1: that was a seventh round pick. We move on. But
Speaker 1: I think what they were looking for as a replacement
Speaker 1: for Tyrone Crawford, they needed somebody that can play inside
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher and he can also play defensive end.
Speaker 1: So I just don't see as it's a win win
Speaker 1: situation at this point. And as long as he behaves
Speaker 1: himself and doesn't become you know, destructive in the locker room,
Speaker 1: UM go with it. Veteran guy. He had nine sacks
Speaker 1: last year for the Eagles, a lot of pressures too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's when, yeah, sometimes pressure is more important
Speaker 1: than sacks. Because Jason Garrett always talks about can you
Speaker 1: affect the pocket? Look in the Philadelphia game, how they
Speaker 1: affected the pocket and they got turnovers, sack fumbles, interceptions
Speaker 1: affecting the pocket. This is what Michael Benet is capable
Speaker 1: of doing. And you know, if you go back, you
Speaker 1: look at the guys who are part of the Belichick tree.
Speaker 1: They last year they to Nick Saban, they asked him
Speaker 1: about Amari Cooper. This time around, Jason Garrett goes to
Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. Of the mouth of the horse, I
Speaker 1: guess that's how you say or something like that the
Speaker 1: horse's mouth, and you know, and Nick Saban and excume
Speaker 1: you with the Bill Belichick, and you know, he's developed
Speaker 1: a relationship with Belichick and Belichick's moving on from guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't make a fit. Their coach talked about
Speaker 1: if you look at the way that the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: we'll get into the Patriots here in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: Their defense is different. If you ever watched the Patriots play,
Speaker 1: they play with a lot of linebackers. Now, that's how
Speaker 1: they attack the pocket, That's how they rushed the passer.
Speaker 1: They get as many linebackers, size linebackers on the field
Speaker 1: and rush and that's what they've done. And Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: doesn't have a role in that. There was some games
Speaker 1: early the year where he played more as a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I think that's what he's going to do for this team.
Speaker 1: He is going to play the Crawford role, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, he will give you more of a
Speaker 1: pass rush than Crawford. Crawford's a powerful guy. This guy
Speaker 1: is powerful, but he also has a feel for how
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback, how to affect the pocket,
Speaker 1: and how to get other guys home along with him.
Speaker 1: It's one of those moves that you make because in
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: line up against guys in Minnesota, in Detroit, in New England.
Speaker 1: You've got some quarterbacks on the horizon that will stand
Speaker 1: there and throw the football from the pocket. You've got
Speaker 1: to find ways to affect how they play, so you
Speaker 1: have a chance to get stops in those games to
Speaker 1: get off the field. And you know, the other thing
Speaker 1: is he's pretty fresh. He's only played one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty three snaps in six games. That's like twenty two
Speaker 1: a game, thirty six percent of their snaps. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been worn out. The last game he played
Speaker 1: against the Giants, it was Game six, he had eleven snaps.
Speaker 1: So you would imagine the guys should be somewhat motivated
Speaker 1: to come here and produce and you know, be a
Speaker 1: good teammate. At that point. We'll see. So what did
Speaker 1: you think about it when it came down? Well, I
Speaker 1: think you guys mentioned the Crawford rule. They needed somebody
Speaker 1: else to play, maybe a couple different positions, help out
Speaker 1: on the edge, and Brian talked about the inside rush.
Speaker 1: You imagine getting your best pass rushers all on the
Speaker 1: field at once, potentially Quinn Tank and Michael Bennett rushing
Speaker 1: in clear passing situation. Ke Collins throwing there MALIEK Collins.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good mix, you know, assuming he can
Speaker 1: get up to speed. And I think Jason spoke to
Speaker 1: this in the press conference, his familiarity with Chris Richard
Speaker 1: playing under him in Seattle. Not only that, but Mickey
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, he's got a locker room tag
Speaker 1: that's kind of carried him for some years, you know,
Speaker 1: could he be a distraction? That's a talking point that
Speaker 1: people have so far. I think Chris Rochard surely gave
Speaker 1: his stamp of approval as both of Michael Bennett, both
Speaker 1: as a player and a person. That's a big reason.
Speaker 1: I'm sure why this deal got done too. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Richard had to talk with him before they pulled the trigger. Wait,
Speaker 1: and why wouldn't he right, Sure Jason Garrett had to
Speaker 1: talk to him too. Yeah, absolutely so. And don't don't
Speaker 1: you look at him as more of a defensive tackled
Speaker 1: in the defensive end. Absolutely, That's why I kept hearing
Speaker 1: people talking about, well, they still need a defense. No,
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be a defensive tack He can't
Speaker 1: help there, but absolutely because that's where he needs to help.
Speaker 1: He could help at the tackle spot of being that
Speaker 1: under tackle in the pass rush. But also too, what
Speaker 1: if they got it right a right end other than
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. That's why. Men. Yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're you're thinking, like, Okay, Armstrong, has he really done much?
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas or not? Joe h U, Joe Jackson Jackson
Speaker 1: Well hiders Hider has been okay, but Joe, but Joe
Speaker 1: Jackson on the other side, got a lot of youth
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: coming out of camp, you're like, you're hopeful. I think
Speaker 1: I was hopeful, but you haven't got it, and you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna need to keep Robert. Robert Quinn's played
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps already, you know. And the fact
Speaker 1: I like the fact that Mickey brought up the point
Speaker 1: this guy hasn't played much. It reminds me very much
Speaker 1: of a deal you make in the baseball you know,
Speaker 1: for the stretch run, for the Pennant Drive, you go
Speaker 1: get a pitcher, you go get somebody that has got
Speaker 1: some skins. On the wall that knows how to play
Speaker 1: in these big games, that can affect the way that
Speaker 1: these offenses. You know, how you could affect the offense.
Speaker 1: And I'm all four, Yeah, we need to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Robert Quinn. Let's see if Robert Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: has been very good through these first seven games. Let's
Speaker 1: see in the second half. There's a lot of times
Speaker 1: some of these defensive ends get war down, you know,
Speaker 1: but he seems like to me, he's holding up there
Speaker 1: pretty well. So get as many of those guys on
Speaker 1: the field that it can affect the pocket and do
Speaker 1: what you did against the Philadelphia Eagles. Take a very
Speaker 1: good offensive line, put them in peril, put their quarterback
Speaker 1: in peril, and hopefully continue to create turnovers. What do
Speaker 1: you think it says about Tristan Hill's development at this point,
Speaker 1: twenty one years old and not ready. He's not ready.
Speaker 1: He's not obvious, it's all. We've had seven games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not ready. He's not ready. And the hope was
Speaker 1: that that maybe you know that you could plug him in.
Speaker 1: There's some plug and play players. This team has had
Speaker 1: a great success with plug and play players quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: by injury, but he plugged you know, they plugged him in.
Speaker 1: He played the running back. Look at all the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith's Martin, Travis Frederick. Plug and play guys, you know,
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins, plug and play guys. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what they do. Side receiver. You traded four last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just get guys and they plug him in and
Speaker 1: they play and sometimes they don't. Right. Connor Williams struggled
Speaker 1: early into the rookie year. Did he get better when
Speaker 1: they brought him back from the surgery? Yes? Is he
Speaker 1: better this year? He has his moments, but he's better.
Speaker 1: So maybe Tristan Hill kind of the same thing, or
Speaker 1: at least they hoped. Yeah, right, twenty one years old
Speaker 1: again and Connor Williams was a young guy. He was
Speaker 1: the same he shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have had
Speaker 1: a lot of success doing that. You know, there's some
Speaker 1: positions that are plug and play. He is he hasn't learned.
Speaker 1: He okay, learning, I mean he you got to have
Speaker 1: some tools. You give your tool belt, you gotta have
Speaker 1: some things the way to kind of play. He's trying hard,
Speaker 1: his efforts good. I think that's got to be pointed
Speaker 1: out too, that it's not like there's it's not easy.
Speaker 1: He's not a bump. And you know, and I know
Speaker 1: there's people that will probably say, oh, well, Taco was
Speaker 1: a bump. You know that his attitude was bad and
Speaker 1: all that. That's a whole nother story another day. This
Speaker 1: kid's got a really good attitude. He just doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to play at the NFL level right now. And
Speaker 1: you hope when he's twenty two years old that all
Speaker 1: of a sudden the light comes on and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit stronger, I'm a little bit tougher.
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Speaker 1: November ninth. Welcome back to Talking Cowboys. Your Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: are back to practice after a long bye week. This
Speaker 1: is a bonus day because of the Monday night game
Speaker 1: against the Giants technically next Monday next week, and probably
Speaker 1: a lighter practice. Mick, what's it gonna look like today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a very light practice.
Speaker 1: You know, they understand what the schedule is coming up.
Speaker 1: You know, you get back late on Sundays Monday night,
Speaker 1: and you got a short week, so it's even shorter
Speaker 1: because you probably won't get back to four or five
Speaker 1: in the morning. So they've got to be very mindful
Speaker 1: of these guys legs, even though they had the break.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get back and wear them out
Speaker 1: and then they're tired for the next week after that game.
Speaker 1: And the fact that they've got the three road games
Speaker 1: in the next four after the Minnesota game on the road,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to play at New England, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get back late, and then a short week for
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and then a road game the next Thursday. So
Speaker 1: they got to be very careful with how they practice
Speaker 1: and didn't want to wear them out this week. So
Speaker 1: they get back in their normal scheduled Thursday, Friday Saturday
Speaker 1: for this game. So from an injury standpoint, Jason talked
Speaker 1: about Layton Vanderish and Robert Quinn should be good to go,
Speaker 1: minor standing as Anthony Brown is not quite ready maybe,
Speaker 1: so they're going to see if he can do something
Speaker 1: this week, but they're not going to force it, and
Speaker 1: they're going to make sure that those other guys that
Speaker 1: played through those injuries, those five guys that ended up
Speaker 1: playing against Philadelphia after being out or missing the last
Speaker 1: part of the previous game, don't do anything to regress,
Speaker 1: So they were going to go easy on those guys too.
Speaker 1: To Tyrn Smith, it's the Leo Collins, the uh Randall Cobb,
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper, um Byron Jones, So they're gonna be careful
Speaker 1: with those. But the big thing this week is my
Speaker 1: understanding is Cameron Flooming is gonna miss several weeks with
Speaker 1: the strained calf he's suffered on Thursday, had the MRI,
Speaker 1: and so Brandon Knight, this is your life unless yes, uh,
Speaker 1: unless I know that one there's some sort of trade
Speaker 1: that comes down and they find a veteran that they
Speaker 1: can bring in, because my understanding, he can miss two
Speaker 1: to three weeks. Yeah, so it happened on the bye week.
Speaker 1: It happened Thursday. Happened on Thursday. And the worst part
Speaker 1: is when it explained to me it wasn't he wasn't
Speaker 1: even doing a football deal. He was holding the bags
Speaker 1: and the people were punching him like they hold up
Speaker 1: the pads, and he got a step back and strained
Speaker 1: his calf. Sometimes those are the worst injuries. That's that's
Speaker 1: a position where okay, if it's Brandon Knight as your
Speaker 1: swing tackle, you know, and then the next guy's up
Speaker 1: are your guards who would have to move outside and
Speaker 1: feel moves inside. Yeah, that's that's the the plan. One
Speaker 1: A is Brandon Knight. Plan one B is hello Connor
Speaker 1: Williams or hello Zach Martin. You know that if that
Speaker 1: came to that, so you know, and then they do
Speaker 1: have a couple of kids on the practice squad and
Speaker 1: stuff like that if they felt like that thing was
Speaker 1: long term. But Mickey was Mickey was very on the
Speaker 1: spot talking about maybe two to three games kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. So we'll see. And it's a deal with
Speaker 1: Tyrann Smith and Lyle Collins that have been banged up
Speaker 1: this year. But the bye week I'm sure helped both guys.
Speaker 1: They were able to play in the Eagles game, they
Speaker 1: were outstanding. Yeah, I mean, I know, I know Smith
Speaker 1: probably struggled a little bit more than Collins. He eliminated
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham in that game. And you and you worry
Speaker 1: about Brandon Graham. You worry about Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham,
Speaker 1: those are the two names you worry about. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and then this this week we've talked about earlier. Giants
Speaker 1: don't have a great pass rush. They just don't. And
Speaker 1: you know, if they can hold up. You know, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott can continue to make throws. We've seen him have
Speaker 1: success last year. Remember the game against the Giants at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I mean he he won
Speaker 1: that game with one of the best throws I've ever
Speaker 1: seen to Zicole Beasley. So and hopefully they get to
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper going again. And then also remember Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: had a really nice game against these guys in Week one,
Speaker 1: So maybe get him back in the end zone once again.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like the worst position of need
Speaker 1: out there is offensive line, right, There's not enough of
Speaker 1: them to go around. We talk about it in camp
Speaker 1: every year teams aren't cutting them. No. No, if you've
Speaker 1: got them, you hang on to them. And no one
Speaker 1: has a surplus, no. And it's it's funny that you
Speaker 1: say that even the really good teams like New England
Speaker 1: was hunting. I mean there's seven to no. They're always
Speaker 1: hunting offensive lineman. You know, they get away with with
Speaker 1: the guys they play with, but they don't nearly have
Speaker 1: I mean, the kid a whyat the kid they drafted
Speaker 1: from from Georgia a couple of years ago is just
Speaker 1: now working back in. I mean, they've gone a long
Speaker 1: time without having guys, you know, quality backup guys. But
Speaker 1: they get by because of the quarterback and the receivers
Speaker 1: and the running backs. The way they play. I mean
Speaker 1: remember the slash turnovers. When Philadelphia was going to be
Speaker 1: without Peters, Brian pointed out the rookie first, what was Dillard?
Speaker 1: Is it Andre Dillard get and they were hesitant to
Speaker 1: play him and he was a first round pick. So
Speaker 1: just imagine what everybody else is out there kind of
Speaker 1: trying to play with. They're not they're not you know,
Speaker 1: you're not going to give up what evidently Washington's looking
Speaker 1: for with Trent Williams. It sounded like they want two
Speaker 1: first round picks or a first in a second. They
Speaker 1: have out two, for sure, I've heard, and but they're
Speaker 1: probably looking for a one. Yeah, is what they're looking
Speaker 1: for for for sure. Right there. That's Washington being stubborn
Speaker 1: right there though. But that's also shows you how valuable
Speaker 1: if you can find one of these guys that somebody
Speaker 1: wants to get ridder, but no one wants to get
Speaker 1: rid of these guys, and you can say, okay, well
Speaker 1: maybe you spotted somebody on somebody's practice squad. Okay, well
Speaker 1: that's just bringing in another guy to hasn't played, which
Speaker 1: just shows you two Washington situation running game. Moses is
Speaker 1: now the head coach on the entrance basis, and the
Speaker 1: guy still doesn't want to play, you know, you know
Speaker 1: you figure man, his coach is involved, man, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's still now I'm not interested in coming into
Speaker 1: that train wreck. I never thought i'd say they miss
Speaker 1: they miss Cameron Fleming, but maybe they're good. Well, Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight showed them some things in the limited snaps he's gotten. However,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, undrafted rookie. Yeah, and that's why they
Speaker 1: went with Fleming in that swing role when he's been healthy.
Speaker 1: Marc Colombo saw something in the kid that he was
Speaker 1: playing guard. I mean, he was playing tackle. I've seen
Speaker 1: him played tackle at Indiana. Wasn't terrible signs as a
Speaker 1: free agent. If you would have said, hey, who is
Speaker 1: the surprise guy that's gonna make this football team, someone
Speaker 1: would have put me and said, oh, hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: Brian Brandon Knight's gonna make this football team. It's at guard.
Speaker 1: I might get out of here. No, But they they
Speaker 1: thought enough of him, and he wasn't He's he hasn't
Speaker 1: been terrible. I think that he's gonna be if he
Speaker 1: had to play, would be happier with him than he
Speaker 1: would Camp Flaming. He's actually an example of what you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about. They had some injuries early in
Speaker 1: the season, had to get I think Cedric Wilson up
Speaker 1: from the practice squad. He was not the cut never
Speaker 1: was to make I mean, and they had a surplus
Speaker 1: there and they hung on to him for basically what
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about. If you think you got
Speaker 1: a good when you hang on to him at tackle, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, they they were able to release justin Hamilton.
Speaker 1: They figured that was the spot to make room friends. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he had Bennett, he had number seventy nine. I
Speaker 1: believe they didn't and for a brief moment, very brief moment,
Speaker 1: and blink of an eye, and now when you see
Speaker 1: Bennett out there, yeah, he'll be in seventy nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you guys have talked trade and I know we're
Speaker 1: taping this as of Tuesday morning, so if if you
Speaker 1: folks listen later in the day, this will be old news.
Speaker 1: But trade deadline at three pm Central, Jerry Jones said
Speaker 1: on the fan quote, anything is possible when it comes
Speaker 1: to making a deal. You think he's being serious, You
Speaker 1: think they've got something. I think you know, the phones
Speaker 1: have been ringing both ways, probably and you can just
Speaker 1: kind of listen and then, um, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see a big splash. What else do you think they need? Well,
Speaker 1: I just told you, besides anything else besides potential offensive
Speaker 1: tackle depth, they've addressed defensive line specifically, maybe the interior
Speaker 1: more than the exterior line. Has anybody Mickey talked to
Speaker 1: you about a safety? Has anybody hit just the radio radio,
Speaker 1: the radio guys, Yeah, you know, I and you know,
Speaker 1: we forget they do have that Josh Jones on the
Speaker 1: practice they do. They do, and it's funny because we
Speaker 1: kind of forget about him. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you ask about safety. But I asked two or
Speaker 1: three different guys that said, hey, what's your situation on
Speaker 1: Like Mickey said, we're taking calls. We're looking for a
Speaker 1: right deal. I said the specific position, and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: not really. So you know if you think, yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's a safety ad, it's a defensive end, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. Yeah. I mean, I just think the
Speaker 1: looking for the right deal. If somebody were to come
Speaker 1: along that that you know that that someone's having a
Speaker 1: fire sale and they're like saying, listen, we're one and six,
Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere, and you know, we're we're just
Speaker 1: gonna try and recoup a pick or two of a
Speaker 1: guy that we might not be able to resign then
Speaker 1: instead of waiting for the compensatory pick. That that that's
Speaker 1: smart business. But I just kind of got the feeling
Speaker 1: that they're taking calls, but they're not really actively going
Speaker 1: after uh you know, now it sound like that Williams,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle that the Giants got was a guy
Speaker 1: that they were interested in. But the price with that,
Speaker 1: the what the Giants end up giving basically the Giants'
Speaker 1: third round pick at the rate they're going right now,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be like a late two. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where you're at with that. That's you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you to make that deal, you we're
Speaker 1: gonna probably have to give up your two or maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more to make that that that pick
Speaker 1: for or get that trade for Leonard Williams done, and
Speaker 1: then also have to resign him at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. He's in the same boat as he came
Speaker 1: in the same draft class, first round class as Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: both playing on those rookie the rookie contract, the fifth
Speaker 1: year option. Uh no, so and you never know why,
Speaker 1: but he hadn't been playing. Yeah this year he's seven games,
Speaker 1: no sacks. And we saw the Cowboys part with a
Speaker 1: first round pick last year for Amari But at the
Speaker 1: time they said, that's it's not business they love to
Speaker 1: get into because they know and you know, as a
Speaker 1: personnel guy, Oh, I've sat there and when Jerry Agonies
Speaker 1: not having to pick back to back years then that
Speaker 1: would have been the first time in what ten years
Speaker 1: that they traded a first round pick. You have to
Speaker 1: go back to Roy Williams. Roy Williams, it's the lifeblood
Speaker 1: of your franchise because you're getting well, they're they're pretty
Speaker 1: good at it. They happened, they happen, and it's essentially
Speaker 1: five years of a contract that's fairly cap friendly, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on where you sit. And so yeah, we'll see you.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question. I think you said it,
Speaker 1: Brian with right deal, It's gonna be the right deal,
Speaker 1: Bennett was the right deal? Is there in a position
Speaker 1: you would give a first round pick four right now? Mickey?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just any position, any position on for
Speaker 1: this team. Is there any position that you would give
Speaker 1: a first round pick four? If it was a it's
Speaker 1: got to be a it's got to be a Maury
Speaker 1: Cooper type of a player. It's got to be a
Speaker 1: top say twenty five type player on someone's team. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I see I'm thinking I was thinking, like, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a safety. But then again, every time
Speaker 1: I think about a safety, I remember the draft last year,
Speaker 1: and when you want to even use a second round pick.
Speaker 1: And and that's absolutely right, because every one of my safeties,
Speaker 1: Adderly and the kid from Washington and all. The only
Speaker 1: safety that was off the board was the kid from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State that the Raiders took Abram, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they had every safety on the book all
Speaker 1: on the board, and that at fifty eight and they
Speaker 1: didn't take They didn't even look at any of them.
Speaker 1: So here I'm saying, oh, yeah, I would give up
Speaker 1: a first round pick for a safety and then and
Speaker 1: they had a chance at fifty eight to grab when
Speaker 1: and they didn't. Theydn't even want to do that. I
Speaker 1: just don't see it realistic. Yeah, And so you're saying
Speaker 1: if you're out there saying, oh, yeah, well they'll trade
Speaker 1: for a safety, Well no, they won't because they didn't
Speaker 1: want one in the first place. They had a chance
Speaker 1: to draft a young safety have some control for four years,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even they didn't even take that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and didn't think about the sort of somewhat veteran safeties
Speaker 1: they've brought in here over the last several years. They
Speaker 1: didn't even make the team. What if somebody offered you
Speaker 1: a tight end? Is that asking too much or first,
Speaker 1: I think they they really liked Blake Jarwin. They just
Speaker 1: he's just not on the field exclusively every snap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but at some point in time with Wit, at some
Speaker 1: point you're not gonna have Wit, right, Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: need an all purpose Yeah. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: look at Jarwin as the all purpose tight end. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be schultz Um. You know, we haven't
Speaker 1: seen him do much, but a lot of that has
Speaker 1: to do with Whitton being here. At some point you're
Speaker 1: gonna need it. But I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: this year if it's a spot where, oh, we gotta
Speaker 1: feel this and I need a first round pick for
Speaker 1: a see tight end. Michael Bennett's a glaring thing that
Speaker 1: you can because of this. I mean I talked about
Speaker 1: it last week. I said, if they had to do something,
Speaker 1: they need something at defensive tackle us and that's what
Speaker 1: they did to us. You know it's funny too, I
Speaker 1: was they don't They shouldn't, uh, at least me. You know,
Speaker 1: people were asking me about Hayden Hurst and I and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm asking you a question about a guy that
Speaker 1: plays with the Baltimore Ravens. So that's unfair. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a tight end. He was a first round pick with
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens in twenty eighteen. He was a twenty
Speaker 1: fifth pick overall, but people were asking me about him.
Speaker 1: I remember him coming out of South Carolina being really athletic,
Speaker 1: I mean like really athletic, like a like these these
Speaker 1: tight ends you see nowadays. But then you know, but case,
Speaker 1: but he's the third guy the Ravens have drafted. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have drafted some tight ends and he's kind of
Speaker 1: been an odd man out. Now. I'm not asking for
Speaker 1: a first round pick here, but you know, would they
Speaker 1: do it for a second round pick? Would they do
Speaker 1: it for a third I don't know if Baltimore would
Speaker 1: trade the guy, but I mean that's the kind of
Speaker 1: if you were looking for another position, maybe that tight end,
Speaker 1: you get to try and get a jump on that
Speaker 1: for next year. So you don't have to because this
Speaker 1: team is going to draft a tight end next year,
Speaker 1: and the question is if they do it in the
Speaker 1: second round, everybody's gonna lose their damn mind because they
Speaker 1: every time they draft a second round tight end he
Speaker 1: doesn't pan out. Well. Surette Water trade a second then
Speaker 1: or pans out somewhere else. Yeah, but that's what say
Speaker 1: you get a second round pick for a guy that
Speaker 1: you kind of know could play a little bit like
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst and just say, Okay, we're gonna we're not
Speaker 1: gonna worry about it. We're gonna go ahead and take that.
Speaker 1: I mean, in Philadelphia we traded, you know, Michael Lombardi
Speaker 1: and I traded for Hugh Douglas. Hugh Douglas was the
Speaker 1: fifteenth player overall taken in the and Parcels had had
Speaker 1: enough of him, and we trade a second round pick
Speaker 1: for a first round player. And Hugh Douglas played a
Speaker 1: lot of years. Mickey, you guys covered the team division. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hugh Douglas was a good player for them as a
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe that's the kind of thing you're looking
Speaker 1: for right now as far as a trade you're looking forward,
Speaker 1: Maybe I could give a second round pick for a
Speaker 1: first round player that someone really doesn't see in their
Speaker 1: plans going forward. All right, stay tuned. Three pm Central
Speaker 1: is the deadline. See if the Cowboys do anything else
Speaker 1: trade wise. Yeah, back next to wrap it up on
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Speaker 1: scores that way, hey, I mean four takeaways in one
Speaker 1: game is a start, right well, their first two possessions
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Speaker 1: we get out of here. Cowboy's practicing right now. On
Speaker 1: that topic, last nine games, Jerry talked about, they've got
Speaker 1: the potential to be a contender. What what are you
Speaker 1: guys looking for down the stretch here? Maybe something different
Speaker 1: for this team to keep the momentum going that they
Speaker 1: had against Philly a week ago. Something different, yeah, or
Speaker 1: more of it. I'd like to see what I saw
Speaker 1: from the defense against Philadelphia. Yeah, you know, get after
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Brian talked about affecting the pocket. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a young quarterback, you know, don't let him get comfortable.
Speaker 1: Just to what he said. So I want to see
Speaker 1: this pass rush continue the way it did against Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: They made him uncomfortable and too many times he was
Speaker 1: having to roll out and throw on the run. I'll
Speaker 1: take my chances with that, more so than the guy
Speaker 1: sitting in the pocket playing any meany miny moe out
Speaker 1: there trying to you know, got all these choices of
Speaker 1: where to throw the ball, So that has to be
Speaker 1: more consistent along with just playing better defensively against the run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to go six and three
Speaker 1: down the stretch to win this division. And so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of looking at these games like the Detroit New
Speaker 1: England Buffalo stretch. You know that that's got me a
Speaker 1: little concern, which, like Mickey said, though, you need you
Speaker 1: need to find a way to play better to affect
Speaker 1: the pocket. And I guess you could start again with Minnesota,
Speaker 1: Detroit and New England would be really nice if they
Speaker 1: can get They could get Michael Bennett going on this
Speaker 1: thing and then allow Quinn to continue his role. I
Speaker 1: haven't wrote about this last week was getting Lawrence going too.
Speaker 1: I think Lawrence is starting to get a feel again,
Speaker 1: feeling good about himself physically health wise. I think you're
Speaker 1: going to see him with better pass rush. I'm always
Speaker 1: excited when I see like guys like Nate sold Or
Speaker 1: playing for the Giants this week. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he does not play with power. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a really good athlete. He allows a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: Mike Reemers is the same kind of guy, bigger guy,
Speaker 1: But I feel like though athletic ability wise, you could
Speaker 1: do some things to get some pass rush on these
Speaker 1: guys and affect this young quarterback. Those games I watched,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw him how I saw him get struggled,
Speaker 1: struggle in the pocket, drop some balls, hold onto some
Speaker 1: balls because he wasn't sure about the coverage down the field.
Speaker 1: So get a good start here, because again, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a stretch coming up Minnesota, Detroit, New England where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with some some stellar quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and you have to be ready to to affect him
Speaker 1: with pass rush and then also be able to cover
Speaker 1: those guys as well, six and three down the stretches
Speaker 1: your prediction to try to get you got this thing go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Philly got a tough road win. Yeah on Sunday, They're
Speaker 1: they're not going away. No, they're not. So got to
Speaker 1: be one of the six too. Yeah, but that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's and you know, I'm looking at that. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Bears can score ten points. I mean, they
Speaker 1: just they have they haven't done it all year. They're
Speaker 1: not so their defense, I think it's starting to get
Speaker 1: war down. But who knows about the rams, you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like those if you could find a
Speaker 1: way to navigate the middle part of that schedule and
Speaker 1: get to the end with that bears Rams Philly and
Speaker 1: Washington bit. You know, you could, you could set yourself
Speaker 1: up for some for some good things, you know. I
Speaker 1: think that was a good point on Lawrence too, the
Speaker 1: fact that seems to be coming around. We just assume
Speaker 1: when guys have a surgery that's not an acl R,
Speaker 1: that they just come back and play right, no big deal. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: it is a big deal, and you have to have
Speaker 1: confidence in your shoulders once again. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I want to remember how much time he missed. He
Speaker 1: missed everything, sure did everything. And there's also a chemistry
Speaker 1: with your fellow lineman getting each other home on rushes.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just things getting back into the mix
Speaker 1: for him that probably took a little bit of time.
Speaker 1: We'll think about when that stuff worked. It was when
Speaker 1: he was paired with Tyrone cobsolutely. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I was going. And then how they kind of
Speaker 1: they'll have to account for that. They'll have to account
Speaker 1: for Michael Bennett. They will have to account for him
Speaker 1: for sure. All right, Good enough, Thanks you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back with Bill on Wednesday to
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