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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off.

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Speaker 3: The Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for today's guest.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, if you don't mind me tooting our

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Speaker 3: own horna minute. We've had some broadcast legends on this show,

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Speaker 3: which has been such a treat for me, from Sally Jesse,

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Speaker 3: Raphael to Ricky Lake to Josh Mankowitz to Andy Cohen

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Speaker 3: to Mika Brazinski to Charlemagne.

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Speaker 2: And we've had some.

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Speaker 3: Incredible comedians from Dennis Leary to Brad Garrett to Jay Moore.

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Speaker 2: I mean, guys, find.

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Speaker 3: You a job where you get to talk to fascinating,

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Speaker 3: funny people.

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Speaker 2: And you'll never work a day in your life.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for me, I also have to do politics for

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Speaker 3: a living, so believe me, I work, but.

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Speaker 2: Not for the next fifty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Today we have someone who's both a broadcast legend and

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Speaker 3: a comedian, but so much more. You know him as

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Speaker 3: the first host of the Daily Show, the host of

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Speaker 3: the late late show, SportsCenter anchor. You know him from

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Speaker 3: Rolls in Old School and the benchwarmers, or as the

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Speaker 3: host of the podcast The Life Gorgeous, as he writes

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Speaker 3: quietly gliding through life.

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Speaker 2: Behold the slim Man. Welcome to Off the Cup, Craig Gilbourne, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You so much. What an intro. I wasn't on camera

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Speaker 1: my hand mirror for a moment. You're fine, It's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure meeting you. I'm a fan. You know. I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of an apolitical icon. I live above the political fray.

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Speaker 1: I do joke that I am probably one of the

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Speaker 1: most level headed people in the United States when it

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Speaker 1: comes to politics. I'm the guy that likes Barack Obama

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I say, I like Barack Obama and Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 1: Sure sure, sure, And I mock my all my friends

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Speaker 1: mock them. I say, have you ever have you ever

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Speaker 1: Churchill fan. But we don't have to talk politics.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to because that's not your job.

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Speaker 2: And not what I like to do in this setting.

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Speaker 2: But I know this.

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Speaker 3: About you, and I love I love your level headedness.

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Speaker 2: I love you, and I love that you live above it.

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Speaker 2: I'm very jealous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I don't think the comedians that I like,

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to hear them talk politics, and

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't that's so we're here.

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't mind talking to them privately and hearing

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Speaker 1: And are you in New York or Philly or where

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Speaker 1: a wonderful cocktail party. I'm glad I was invited. But

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Speaker 3: In August, I had a Carmel question for you because

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Speaker 3: living in Carmel so that I can stop fantasizing, like

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Speaker 3: there's so much I want to talk to you, because

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Speaker 3: I really admire your career. You've gotten to do kind

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Speaker 3: your Instagram, it looks like you seem to be enjoying life. Martini's,

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Speaker 3: nice dinners, walks on the beach, and enjoying life is

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I've been told. Well, I already knew I

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Speaker 1: I just read something. I saw this. You ever heard

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Speaker 2: Okay, with's that.

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Speaker 1: Lone wolf doesn't need any validation? Oh yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 1: So I did the Late Night Show and it was

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Speaker 1: and I want to do an independent film. It's all

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Speaker 2: Going to do one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you have news?

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Speaker 2: This is news? Yeah, Oh my god, break news. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll shoot it this year. It'll come out

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Speaker 1: me creative Craig Right, I'm going to tell you the

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Speaker 1: Tell me you're probably one of those people who know

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Speaker 1: It's just yeah. So it's called The Life Golden It's

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Speaker 3: And I'm excited for you, and congratulations on you know,

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Speaker 3: I really want your thoughts. Start with your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Scott Jennings. Correct. Okay, so I I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch that. I just see clips on occasion.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is you've you've heard this about

437
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Speaker 1: the algorithm sending us arguments and debate. You've heard this, right,

438
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: they send us friction and conflicts. Yes, and we just

439
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Speaker 1: feed off of it. We're on Instagram or on x

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah's true. I guess you know. I've said this

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 3: I do some stuff with Bravo, the sort of reality

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Speaker 3: television network, and I go to places like Bravocon where

445
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Speaker 3: like thousands of people come to meet their favorite reality

446
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 3: celebrities and everyone's so happy to be there. And that's

447
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Speaker 3: a network that makes people happy. And I lament that

448
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Speaker 3: in my business, at the networks I've worked at. Our

449
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Speaker 3: job is to make people angry and afraid, and I.

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Speaker 2: Don't enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: And your point about people can argue in debates about

452
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Speaker 3: things they don't even believe in is becoming a feature,

453
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Speaker 3: not a bug. I have known so many people in

454
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Speaker 3: my business for years and years and years. I know

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Speaker 3: them well, I know what they think, I know what

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Speaker 3: they believe in, and I'm watching them on TV now

457
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Speaker 3: say things I know they don't believe.

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Speaker 2: And I'm to pretend like I don't. I don't know

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Speaker 2: this about you.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like I'm just supposed to go along with the

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Speaker 3: gag like we're acting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I've known you.

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Speaker 2: For twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's really frustrating and fulfilling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, by the way, you do have a

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Speaker 1: sense of humor. People will tell you that you're funny.

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Speaker 1: You're funny. That's a positive, good well, yeah, I try.

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Speaker 2: Are you worried? Are you worried about AI? Everyone seems

469
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Speaker 2: to be worried about AI.

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Speaker 1: I mean, initially I thought it was problematic. It still

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Speaker 1: might be, but now it seems like it's calming down.

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Speaker 1: I've heard some people talk about it, and there's certain

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Speaker 1: things that can't replace, certain human gifts that they can't replace. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: before I forget, I mentioned Scott Jennings. I think you

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Speaker 1: made a face? Is tell me about him? Is he

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Speaker 1: good or bad? It? Ors in between? Well, did you

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Speaker 1: make a face or my misreading did you kind of?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm almost incapable of not making

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Speaker 3: facial reactions, so probably Look Scott, Scott and I are

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Speaker 3: friends friendly, we're friendly colleagues, and he's always been a

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Speaker 3: lovely person to me. But he's one of those people

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Speaker 3: like I don't think he believes a lot of the

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Speaker 3: things he says, Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, because he might be. He's probably

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Speaker 1: too smart to believe everything he says. But he's just

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Speaker 1: doing the his skilled at debating.

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Speaker 3: He is, And I think he knows who his audience is,

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of performing for audiences that's not

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Speaker 3: a criticism sometimes, right, we all Like when I was

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Speaker 3: at MSNBC versus when I was at Fox, I didn't,

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Speaker 3: I didn't believe different things. But you you talk differently

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Speaker 3: based on the audience you're you're in front of.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I think that you know, he knows who his.

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Speaker 3: Audience is, his new audience, right, And I think he

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Speaker 3: knows how he has to perform to make them happy.

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Speaker 3: And that's just not you know, something I've ever worried about,

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Speaker 3: Like I don't care about being I wanted tell them

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Speaker 3: the truth.

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Speaker 1: Instead of performers. I wish they could all be authentic.

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Speaker 1: Like Stephen A. Smith, who's not a performer. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is great. He is entertaining. Yes, it

502
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Speaker 1: must be fun to do that to yell, and it must.

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Speaker 2: Be I've been like that.

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Speaker 3: But like, I know a lot of folks in my

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Speaker 3: business who are like that, and we're really good at it.

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Speaker 3: Like Tucker Carlson's a great performer, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's incredibly dangerous, but he's a

509
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Speaker 3: great performer. And I think you know, he makes those

510
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Speaker 3: spaces where you actually believe that he believes that Democrats

511
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Speaker 3: are drinking the blood of children like you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, have you ever does anyone ever said it? I

513
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Speaker 1: paid for this microphone. I wish someone would call that back.

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Speaker 1: I paid for this microphone. Very dramatic. Yes, interesting, good stuff.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk. I want to talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit about like you're you're.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that okay? Like I'm interested?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I like that good.

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Speaker 3: I know you're you're born in Kansas City, but you

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Speaker 3: grew up in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: What kind of kid were you like? What were you like?

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Speaker 1: Well? I do this is so funny. I have a

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Speaker 1: neighbor who's a moderate liberal and he worked in the

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Speaker 1: media for a long time. He worked for a big

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Speaker 1: newspaper as a TV editor, and he is moderate liberal.

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Speaker 1: I mean he will he. I test him, I test him.

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Speaker 1: I tested different all my liberal friends. Yeah, well, he

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Speaker 1: would vote. He said he'd vote for a Mitt Romney type,

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Speaker 1: you know, if it's too far left. He's out right. Okay,

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Speaker 1: yeah what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He also said you don't have to you can respond

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Speaker 1: or not respond. In twenty sixteen, he said Trump is

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Speaker 1: the result of the far left. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, do other people say that I've seen Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Sam Harris wrote that in the

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Speaker 1: last election, the far left normalized Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there were some things. There were a

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Speaker 3: bunch of things going on. I think when you make

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Speaker 3: someone like Mitt Romney a monster, which the left did,

542
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Speaker 3: don't be surprised when an actual monster comes along.

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Speaker 2: And is like, you're fucking was that.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be the bad thing right because you're

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Speaker 3: going to demonize me anyway. But I also think he

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Speaker 3: was the result of cancel culture and a lot of

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Speaker 3: the sort of like far left. The far right deserves

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Speaker 3: a lot of blame too. But no, I think that's

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Speaker 3: been a you know, a conclusion of many that that

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Speaker 3: that's partly how we got here.

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Speaker 1: Just for the people listening. Craigers is in the middle,

552
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Speaker 1: glorious independent. He has a problem also with the far right.

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Speaker 1: He just lives in la and he doesn't see the

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Speaker 1: far right. I only see the far left one o.

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Speaker 1: The comment, as I'm making some gems here, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a religious man. If Mitt Romney was Baptist, in said

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Speaker 1: a more, and he would have done better. He was

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Speaker 1: going up against the great Barack Obama. So the childhood

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Speaker 1: my neighbor, as I ramble stay with me. Most people, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not you. I know you are listeners. Yeah, it's how

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Speaker 1: the agile mind works sometimes. But my neighbor said to

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Speaker 1: me once a week, Craig, you tell me about your

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Speaker 1: happy child I mean, like giving me a little crap.

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Speaker 1: But I did have a happy childhood. I was the

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Speaker 1: youngest of three, little blonde toe head, and I tell

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Speaker 1: people that my childhood was comedy and basketball. And my

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Speaker 1: dad was from He was a Willie Mays fan. He's

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Speaker 1: from the East Coast, and he wanted my brother and

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Speaker 1: I to play baseball. We took to basketball. My brother

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Speaker 1: was into science fiction. He liked Spock, he liked and

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Speaker 1: I liked comedy. And I like the Honeymooners, Jackie g

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Speaker 1: Lison and Martin Maldon. Bill Murray is the funniest man

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Speaker 1: in the world, et cetera, et cetera. So, and Frasier

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Speaker 1: is my favorite sitcomfone so. But my brother and I

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Speaker 1: and my sister and we did not know that we

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Speaker 1: were in the coldest place in the world in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: We just thought it was normal. It was snow and

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Speaker 1: we were there, and I was sick all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I played ball and I was just like, uh,

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Speaker 1: but no. My dad was very funny and he was

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Speaker 1: a businessman, but he'd come home and be entertaining to us,

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Speaker 1: and he'd made everything fun and we played password, and

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Speaker 1: he made eggnog with rum, adult eggnog at Christmas and

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Speaker 1: eggnog for us, and he'd cook, brought Worston beer, and

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Speaker 1: he liked Richard Burton, Elizabeth Elizabeth. He would do impressions

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Speaker 1: and just had a blast, and my childhood was great.

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Speaker 3: You know, how did the North Side Magicians get their name?

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Speaker 1: You know what's so funny. There's this guy he was

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Speaker 1: like the white shadow, this coach Shaun Martin from Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: and he had this all African American team and and

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Speaker 1: I was the white guy that they picked up. It

592
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Speaker 1: was in ninth grade and they would travel around and

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Speaker 1: I played with him a few times because I was

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Speaker 1: pretty good, and he puts he somehow he puts it

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Speaker 1: on my my Instagram, my Wikipedia, that's where you got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But it was just a team from North Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: and they were really good ball players. And I played

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Speaker 1: with them in ninth grade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of school, because you also played inside.

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Speaker 1: Of school, right, correct. This was the side of school thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I started playing basketball in second grade. Well, you

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Speaker 1: were very tall, my gross, I find this interesting. But

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Speaker 1: I had my growth spurt between fifth and sixth grade.

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Speaker 1: In fifth grade, I was five to three.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: In sixth grade, I was five nine. By the time

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Speaker 1: I was in ninth grade, i was six four. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm six five. Wow. That time, I'm slender and graceful.

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Speaker 1: It was always coordinated. I could play point guard. I

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Speaker 1: had six five pistol pete. It's a little before your time.

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Speaker 1: You look to see if I'm slim man. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: slim man.

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Speaker 2: Hold the slim man. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You go to play basketball at Montana State University and Bozeman,

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Speaker 3: which correct me if I'm wrong, I could be totally wrong.

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Speaker 3: Sounds to me like the whitest college basketball team maybe

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Speaker 3: on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Well they were. Yeah. We we had some JC transfers

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Speaker 1: that were African American. Uh, but yeah, it was Uh.

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Speaker 1: They recruited a lot of Montana kids and Minnesota kids

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Speaker 1: and pipeline because they got a coach from Minnesota as

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Speaker 1: an assistant. Uh. The big Sky Uh Bozeman, Montana. I

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Speaker 1: was not allowed to ski. I've never skied in my life.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want us to break away. Yeah. Sure, I

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Speaker 1: didn't play as much as I wanted to. I was

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Speaker 1: the best shooter and pastor on the team. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: played at the Kibbi Dome in Moscow, Idaho. I scored

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Speaker 1: twenty points. We had the longest three pointer in the

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Speaker 1: country back then. Who they were experimenting with three point

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Speaker 1: line in eighty two eighty three and they brought it

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Speaker 1: in full time later. And I was a stylish player.

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Speaker 1: I didn't play as much as I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: And that hurts what like today it still hurts.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, but I've moved on, but it

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Speaker 1: I mean, they did an article. They did an article

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Speaker 1: about me a few years ago up locally in Montana,

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Speaker 1: and they talked to my former coach and a former

639
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Speaker 1: teammate and for some reason, my name my nickname is

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Speaker 1: Kilby now and Dennis Miller coined that. And but at

641
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: college they called me killer. And I wasn't really a gun.

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00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: I was a finesse player. Yeah, I wasn't really that

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Speaker 1: physical killer. And it was they wrote this article and

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Speaker 1: they said, you know, it didn't really fit him as

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Speaker 1: a player, but you know, he's he was pretty motivated

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Speaker 1: in television, so maybe that is more apt for him,

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Speaker 1: because they were proud of me for going to ESPN

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Speaker 1: and then the late night Yeah yeah, my old friends.

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Speaker 2: Well before you do that, I know you go.

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Speaker 3: You work in local news and Sleinas Yeah yeah, a

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Speaker 3: local Fox station, right, And I have worked in local

652
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Speaker 3: news too, and I love it.

653
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Speaker 2: I love how communal local news is.

654
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Speaker 1: And I did.

655
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Speaker 3: I came up, I came from cable and I've done

656
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Speaker 3: local news later, which is not usually how people do it.

657
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Speaker 2: But did you like it? I've loved it.

658
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Speaker 1: Well, I had a lot of fun. I was and

659
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Speaker 1: and the guy that hired me, so, his name was

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Speaker 1: Paul Miller. And I have to give you some information

661
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Speaker 1: because you'll get a huge kick. He's he's still a

662
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Speaker 1: dear friend of mine. He hired me. He was the

663
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Speaker 1: news director.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

665
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Speaker 1: So he was living up there in a place called

666
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Speaker 1: Pacific Grove, which is right near Monterey. It's Pebble Beach,

667
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Speaker 1: Pacific Grove, Moderate and he he was married to Kirsty Wilde,

668
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Speaker 1: who was a news anchor down here and KNBC in LA.

669
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Speaker 1: But they moved up there to raise their kids and

670
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Speaker 1: get the hell out of LA. And they were approached

671
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Speaker 1: by the station she anchored. I was sports. He was

672
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Speaker 1: the news director. He's from Chicago. He went to college

673
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Speaker 1: with David Axelrod. He marched for George McGovern. He's saying,

674
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Speaker 1: these guys that was political. Yeah, he's a conservative, huh,

675
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: he said. I went to Beyroot. I was the NBC

676
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: bureau chief in LA for Tom Brokaw. I went to Bayroot.

677
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Everything I learned was wrong, and he became a conservative. Yeah,

678
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: and now he right. He owns. You're gonna love this,

679
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: The Carmel pine Cone, the newspaper, and it turns a

680
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: big profit. He said. He knows friends at the New

681
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: York Times. He goes, you guys should do it. He

682
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Speaker 1: releases it once a week on Thursday, free copies all

683
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Speaker 1: around Carmel, stacked up freak all advertised, local advertising. And

684
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Speaker 1: he makes a good profit. And he told me the Profheit,

685
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: I go, that's amazing. That's great.

686
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Speaker 2: That's my dream. So yeah, that's like my retirement dream,

687
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: to run a small I get your job there.

688
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: I get your job at the Carmel pine Cone. I

689
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Speaker 1: know the owner. And by the way, let me say something,

690
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: he's going to retire one day. He needs someone to

691
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Speaker 1: take it over. Maybe that can be you. I introduce you, guys,

692
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Speaker 1: and I love Carmel.

693
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: I've already told you I could work with. This is honest.

694
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I love Carmel.

695
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Speaker 1: So he Paul hired me, and he encouraged me to

696
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: do what's it called when you're a reporter involvement. So

697
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I did this thing. I played bocci ball with the

698
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Speaker 1: Italians in Monterey. I did a bunch of fun stuff.

699
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: And there was a lady at the other station the

700
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: competition was a news anchor and was Dina. And Dina

701
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: and I became friends and we're still friends. And I

702
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: went to ESPN. She called me. She's very pretty. She said,

703
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm dating Clint Eastwood. And then she called me and

704
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: she said, Craig, I'm marrying Clint Eastwood. And for eighteen

705
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: years they were married.

706
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Speaker 2: Amazing.

707
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I think the age gap was thirty three years.

708
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, that happens. That happens.

709
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Speaker 1: He's a movie star.

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Speaker 2: He is like the one of the greats, one of

711
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: the greats.

712
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

714
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I give you I give you a lot

715
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Speaker 1: of information. I'm giving you a lot of information.

716
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Speaker 2: But I'm a reporter.

717
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: I like it.

718
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: I like a lot of information, and I.

719
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Speaker 1: Go backwards because you let me go anywhere I want to,

720
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna tell them Merv Griffin Orson well story. Please,

721
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: So Merv. MERV told this story, and he would record

722
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon in Hollywood, and he had he used

723
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Speaker 1: to have Orson On at the end of Orson's life.

724
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Speaker 1: Orson is great, big guy. And there was a French restaurant.

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Speaker 1: I think it was called Days as I can't remember

726
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: Day's artist. It's Cellos now. But so after the show,

727
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: after the recording in the afternoon, they go to this

728
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Speaker 1: French restaurant and Merv is like, I can't believe it.

729
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: He's just picking it. He's picking at his salad. I'm

730
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: eating a full and he's just picking at his salad. Yeah.

731
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Speaker 1: And then they leave and Merv gets in his car

732
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Speaker 1: and he says to his driver, follow that car. I've

733
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: always wanted to say that. Follow that car. So they follow.

734
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Speaker 1: They go down Sunset. They're following Orson Wells. His driver

735
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: takes a right, Orson's driver, they both have drivers, takes

736
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Speaker 1: a right on Librea and goes down to Pinks No

737
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Speaker 1: the place, get out of here, and he goes in

738
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Speaker 1: and gets a big bunch of us.

739
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: This is amazing. This is like a Larry David story.

740
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Speaker 1: I love it. Oh my god. So Orison picked out

741
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: his salad, then he went to Pinks for some real food.

742
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. How does the Daily Show come to you?

743
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: How do you get this job? How do you get

744
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 2: this offer?

745
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: Side note? The Daily Show is easily the most dysfunctional

746
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: place I ever worked. I'll let me tell you why.

747
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: The two people in charge. Network president was a fan

748
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: of mine. Then there was an executive producer. I got

749
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: along with the executive producer. I didn't take her seriously.

750
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Her best friends call her crazy. She's just yeah. But

751
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: after I left to go to CBS, she got to

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: work with her favorite host, John Stewart, and she got

753
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: fired because she thought it was her show. So basically,

754
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: they didn't want to host driven show, which makes no sense, unsustainable,

755
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: none and unrealistic. But I had a blast. I had

756
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Speaker 1: a blast because I ignored the silliness and I hosted

757
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Speaker 1: the show. But I knew I was there briefly because

758
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a traditional late night show like

759
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Speaker 1: Johnny did. I was I was fortunate. I was so happy.

760
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: Was I atailed. Then I gave up in a lot.

761
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: Now I just coast. I just coast. That's all I do.

762
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: But the daily show was the guy at the network president,

763
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Speaker 1: a guy named Doug Herzar, was a fan of sports

764
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Speaker 1: A lot of people were. Sports Center was popular back then,

765
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Speaker 1: and they replayed my late night one in the morning

766
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Speaker 1: over and over again. And I would do Joe Folks.

767
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Speaker 1: I would do a lot of jokes. There was a

768
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Speaker 1: game with Reggie Miller against the Knicks where he scored

769
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: a bunch late and it was jawing with Spike Lee,

770
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Speaker 1: and all the guys say, he's yelling at Spike Lee,

771
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: and I said, he's yelling at Spike Lee developed the

772
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Speaker 1: female characters in your movie, Spike, like, I would do

773
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Speaker 1: a lot of jokes. I would do a lot of

774
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. So this guy and Tommedy Central said I

775
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: want to do a daily show that was a temporary title.

776
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: That's like Sports Center that you have to watch every day,

777
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: but it's pop culture and I want to killborn type.

778
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Speaker 1: And I of course wanted to get the hell out

779
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Speaker 1: of there. And then my agent said he knows a

780
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: many guy. I got the job, and it was smart

781
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Speaker 1: for him to say Sports Center instead a weekend update,

782
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: because you know, but there and there have been news

783
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: parodies there. There was a thing called not necessarily the

784
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: News on HBO. George Carlin did the wacky Weatherman whatever

785
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: it was called hippy dippy, hippy dippy hippy dippy Weatherman.

786
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: But so I had fun there and I ignored the

787
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: silliness and got out of there.

788
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Speaker 2: And then you get your dream job.

789
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: And I.

790
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Speaker 3: Really like it when people are honest about their careers.

791
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: I'll just give you an anecdote and then you can

792
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: say whatever you want. I got a three hour radio

793
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: show many years ago at a time when everyone in

794
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: conservative media wanted to be Rush Limbaugh. It was like

795
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: what everyone was chasing. And I got this and I

796
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: thought great, and I fucking hated it. I really hated

797
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: I didn't want a monologue.

798
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Speaker 2: For three hours.

799
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Speaker 3: It sort of like stifled my curiosity because I couldn't

800
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Speaker 3: go out and ask people questions like the job was

801
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: to pretend you knew stuff, and I preferred to ask

802
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: questions like.

803
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: It just wasn't for me.

804
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: But I was told this is the dream job, right,

805
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: And so I was lucky I had other jobs I

806
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: could leave that and go do things that I really enjoyed.

807
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering if when you got to your dream

808
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: job there were things you were like, oh, well, this

809
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Speaker 3: part's not actually that great, or if it was as

810
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: good as you imagined it would be.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. It was. It's my favorite job.

812
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: I had a blast. I creative. I always say creatively

813
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: is the number one reason I left, because if that's

814
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: really what I wanted to do, you stay there for

815
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: as long as you can, and you put up with

816
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: any of the silliness, and you were thank you, thank you.

817
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I was knock on wood. I don't They called me

818
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: the natural host. I'm not saying that's true, but it

819
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: was very nice of them to say.

820
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: It came across yeah, very natural.

821
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: But a couple things. Number one, I found it the

822
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: comedy very disposable. It's like I keep watching reruns of Frasier.

823
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, now, I knew I did have a sitcom idea.

824
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: People did like the script, but it's a crazy business whatever,

825
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: and it becomes a ridiculous conversation to talk to people about.

826
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: My show almost got picked up. Yeah, you know, who care?

827
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean what that's the guy's name didn't

828
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: judge Appatito. Years after he was successful, movies still complained

829
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: that Freaks and Geeks got canceled. He was still upset

830
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: about Oh yeah, so it's a silly thing. But so

831
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: I did the Late Night Show a couple things. If

832
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to replace Letterman, which I did not want

833
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: to do. Eventually, I said, I don't. This is a headache.

834
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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why it was a headache. I

835
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: should not have been doing that job. I should have

836
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: stayed at the Daily Show if I wanted to replace

837
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Speaker 1: Letterman or something. I had more heat there, but I did.

838
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the hell out of the Daily Show.

839
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it all worked out, but it's too much. It's

840
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: a headache to have to tiptoe interviewing the guests and

841
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: the publicists complaining I'm a sarcastic guy. So that was

842
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: that was a problem. So mainly it was the comedy

843
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: bored me. I had this thing inside me. I kind

844
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: of know it's a long shot that it would ever happen,

845
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: although I do get to do my movie now. But

846
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: I just said early retirement because I just said I

847
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: know what I want to do. It's too narrow. It's

848
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: this weird Anglo file aristocratic character. But I don't want

849
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: to do late night anymore. Yeah, so that's how that works.

850
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said at the beginning, I really

851
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: admire that you've gotten to do the things you wanted

852
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: and then left on your own terms.

853
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's right, that's a privilege you know that

854
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: some people don't have.

855
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: But also it's really scary to leave when you're in

856
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: the midst of something that's working right externally, right, Like

857
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: not everyone takes those risks.

858
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's a great point. I do know that

859
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: a couple things I've said, I am less accepting of

860
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: dysfunction than most people. Now you can call me high maintenance.

861
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. But when I do fly,

862
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't like flying. I don't like turbulence. When there

863
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: is turbulence, I look around. Everyone's laughing and I'm just

864
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: kind of holding the sides and breathing.

865
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

866
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: So I don't like, you know, I just want to

867
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: I want to die in my bed watching a rerun

868
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: of a phrase, watching What's the Three Days of the Condor?

869
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Robert Rich I love, Yeah, And so I leaving late

870
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: night No one knows this because I really couldn't celebrate

871
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: it with even my family because they missed, they missed me,

872
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: they missed me on the air, my friends. So it

873
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: was my own celebration. And I left, and I was

874
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: up in that hopper house in the hills, occasionally drinking

875
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: by myself and just euphoric. And I said, if I

876
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: play the lottery right now, I'm gonna win it. That's

877
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: how I was, like so fired up.

878
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: But anyways, and that feeling, I'll just say, in my business,

879
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: feeling in control of your career is just not a

880
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: familiar thing.

881
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: Or no career retired or no career no, all.

882
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: Those choices feel like they're mostly in everyone else's hands

883
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: right right there in the audience's hands for ratings, they're

884
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: in executive's hands, they're in agents, manager's hands.

885
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: And to feel so in control.

886
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: Of your career when you want to go, when you

887
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: want to go out where you want, that must be

888
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: an incredible feeling.

889
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Oh. When I first met Leno, I love

890
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: this word. He was. We recorded at Television City at

891
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: the Fairfax in Beverly. Maybe you know what. It's right

892
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: near the Farmer's Market and the Grove. Yeah, and they

893
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: they would take politically and correct there. When it was

894
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: on ABC, I filmed Okay, there you go, and Jay

895
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Leno was guessed on there, and but I saw him.

896
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I was going down rehearsal and there he was. I

897
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: never met him and he and he says, I don't

898
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: do an impression of him. Yeah, yeah, I don't do it.

899
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: But he said hi, and I said yeah, I said hi,

900
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: and I was he goes, you seem a little standoffish,

901
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: and I said, oh no, I'm just I'm just busy whatever.

902
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: I love that term standoffish, you know, it's.

903
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Like a compliment.

904
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's how I took it.

905
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

906
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: My father, I was working local TV. The station was

907
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: in Selena, so it was Selena, Santa Cruz, Monterey, the

908
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: one ten market and I had to go out to

909
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach and I got a one on one interview

910
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: with Jack Nicholas at the golf course. And the other

911
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: sportscaster said, how did you get a one on one?

912
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: He talks to a group of us, and I said,

913
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: I just went up and talked to him. I just

914
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, I didn't say maybe it's

915
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: my presence I didn't. I bought that in my head.

916
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: So I go, I go back to the station. I

917
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: call my dad, I go. I just interviewed Jack Nicholas

918
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: one on one, and everyone said, Craig is my dad.

919
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about you. He cares about he cares

920
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: about his wife Barbara. Yeah, his kids in golf. He's

921
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: a lot like us, except he can justify his ego.

922
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: My dad's funny.

923
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

924
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: He thinks. He says, I got my ego from him,

925
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: you know. So he would do dramatic pauses. He was

926
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: he was a funny. He played piano by ear. Oh wow, yeah, yeah,

927
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: he was great.

928
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.

929
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to end with a lightning round if

930
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: you will, Yeah, I'm ready. So the first question is

931
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: what is the ideal room temperature for sleep? And what

932
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: do you do if a bed mate disagrees.

933
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: I've been with the same woman for over twenty years.

934
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: I've known her for over twenty years. Princess Cherry, just

935
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: side note because I love giving you side notes, and

936
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: you seem like you enjoy the side I do.

937
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: The question is the starting place you take it wherever

938
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: you need to go.

939
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Princess Cherry is from La. She's Filipino Spanish and she

940
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: is a hippie girl. She likes big sir. Okay, so

941
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: when we go up to Carmel, we have to go

942
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: down to Big Sur to Essalyne. You should not know

943
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: what esa. It's a retreat. It's a retreat where they

944
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: meditate and do yoga. Clothing optional for something like hip hippy.

945
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: But she is a costume designer. She makes clothes for

946
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Rod Stewart and his band Cool and she makes She

947
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: sometimes helps out shopping with Sammy Hagar and she also

948
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: does interior design. So uh so she'll she agrees with

949
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: me on the temperature, which is so I never ever

950
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: ever have the heater on in the winter overnight. I

951
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: want it. It has to be cool. I'm not I'm

952
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: not giving you a specific. It has to be under

953
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: seventy degrees. But my neighbor who's from the south, the guy,

954
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: the guy who's the moderate, uh, he likes his AC

955
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: and he's in the summer he sleeps with his AC on.

956
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: We don't like the ac on, We'll just put a

957
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: fan off if it's I like it.

958
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: I like the Knights to be cool, yes, but not

959
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: the AC is so drying. Yeah, I don't enjoy the drying.

960
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. One more thing, magnesium magnesium, Yes, I take

961
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: that at night helps me sleep. Oh okay, yeah, I

962
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: just discovered it like three years ago. I should have

963
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: known it years ago.

964
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: I take melatonin. It helps me sleep.

965
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I used to take melatonin too, groggy after militony.

966
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh really?

967
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well yeah, everyone's different. Yeah, okay, what is

968
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: the right time for a martini? And how do you

969
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 3: take yours?

970
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: So five pm? You know I like to go. I

971
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: like to go. I go to bed early. It's a

972
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: secret to my you know, beauty regimen is falling asleep

973
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: at nine pm, falling asleep at nine pm. Last night,

974
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: I fell asleep at eight pm as I got up

975
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: at four thirty. So it's not officially a martini without vermouth,

976
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: but I just going to be vodka up. I'll do

977
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: a twist in the summer, I'll do blue cheese, olives.

978
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: I'll do olives. When I was younger, in my thirties,

979
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people like dirty martinis, A lot of

980
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: women like dirty martinis. I take the olive juice. I

981
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: rarely eat the olives anymore. I just like the salt. Yes,

982
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: I want to go with a twist. Last month I

983
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: have ordered a few vespers just to have some fun.

984
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: And I like the ritual martinis. And if you check

985
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: out my Instagram, I talk about Nickonora glasses. They are smaller.

986
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: They are smaller glasses. Do you know you might know

987
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: this because you seem aeradite? Do you know why they're

988
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: called Niconora glasses? That's how smaller you don't know you've heard?

989
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the term Niiconora glasses? Or so

990
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: all the bartenders know? Oh, the nick and or the

991
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: smaller Martini glasses. The Nick Andora glasses named after Nick

992
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: and Nora Charles from the Thin Man series in the

993
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. They would solve crimes. She was a socialite,

994
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: he was a retired police officer and they would drink Martini's.

995
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: All all the time, but from tinier glasses.

996
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Nick and Nora glass. Yeah.

997
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: I love that.

998
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that cool? Yeah?

999
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: I like my martini Brini and with Jin but I

1000
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: like it.

1001
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: Brad Jin is good for you, then good for you?

1002
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Jen is the classic market? Yes, good for you.

1003
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: You can watch the sunset anywhere in the world. Where

1004
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: do you choose.

1005
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, the obviously I would say Carmel, I've done that before.

1006
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: But you know what, there's a don't make fun of me,

1007
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: but you can. There's an oversight. There's a place I

1008
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: haven't been. Okay, I've been. I've been to Paris, I've

1009
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: been to London. I've never been to Italy.

1010
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: That's tragic, I know.

1011
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: And you're right, that's tragic.

1012
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: There's nothing like a Capri sunset, or even like in

1013
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: a Moufie sunset, Like there's nothing like it.

1014
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my answer. I've never been.

1015
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll fix that. We'll get you over there. Okay,

1016
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: this is a good one. You're walking in New York City.

1017
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: There's a row of four people walking in front of you,

1018
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: arms linked so that they're blocking the whole gd sidewalk.

1019
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: What's your move to get around them? Do you say anything?

1020
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: When you do it?

1021
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, I have to see what they look like, see

1022
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: how big they are.

1023
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: You determine if they're tourists, if they're locals. The tourists

1024
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: because they're walking this way, but like what kind of it's.

1025
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: Like if I think it's a gang or something, I

1026
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: start running and I just bulldoze them. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No,

1027
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I would glide to the side. I like gliding. Yeah,

1028
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me, gentlemen.

1029
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: But you say excuse me?

1030
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they have to know I'm sarking. It's

1031
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of like when someone pulls up to you at

1032
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: a stoplight and their music is way too loud. Instead

1033
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: of saying, you don't say can you turn that down?

1034
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: You go, hey, can you turn that up? I can't

1035
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: hear you know, you get you're sarcastic.

1036
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: So excuse me, guys, Yes, you have to say something

1037
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: because they have to know. Yeah, know that this is

1038
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: not okay, okay, what's the biggest thing you've ever done.

1039
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: For a friend?

1040
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: M got too. I just edited myself. I protected I

1041
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: protected a few people from things. Uh oh, well there

1042
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: was going to be so there was going to be

1043
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: a hit piece on a friend of mine, and I

1044
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: called up the publication. I said, can you can you

1045
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: not do that? And they listened to me.

1046
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: Becau's a very nice thing to do. Yeah, yeah, that's

1047
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: a very very and not everyone has the ability to

1048
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: do that, so that's a very nice thing to do.

1049
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't talk to him anymore, but I try to

1050
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: give him a space. I like to give people their space.

1051
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: I like that too. Yeah, I've had a bunch of them.

1052
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: What is it. Breathe out the bitterness.

1053
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 2: Breathe out the bitterness.

1054
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: I like that. I use that. Yeh. Everyone thinks we're special.

1055
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: Only a few of us really are. Love that. I'm

1056
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: not into comedy as much as I used to. I'm

1057
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: just into acting superior. I love it. Okay, don't you

1058
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: can't steal these.

1059
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: They wouldn't make sense coming from me at all.

1060
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: But how many drinks do you have a week? Oh? See,

1061
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's got to be one syllable s. C.

1062
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Do they call you c? No? Now? No?

1063
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 3: Actually a jerk my first day at a news outlet

1064
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: came up real like haughtily and said, I've been calling

1065
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: you C cup around the office.

1066
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: It was inventive, inventive, clever. I've never heard that.

1067
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: You've never heard that one moment?

1068
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: Hr no, but like, yeah, I've heard it all, but no,

1069
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Usually just people call me S.

1070
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: But uh, already, drinks do I have a week? I

1071
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: don't know, it's not many these days.

1072
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: I'll have a martini usually at the end of the week,

1073
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: and then maybe a couple glasses of wine, sort of

1074
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: in the around this, like around the weekend.

1075
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are the spots in New York that you

1076
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: go to? Because I haven't been there in so long

1077
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: as an adult now I don't know. Do you know

1078
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Speaker 1: San Francisco very well?

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Speaker 2: No, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: So there was, you know, I out of college. My

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: brother worked in Silicon Valley, but he lived up near

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00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: knob Hill on Hyde and Larken, and he picked me

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: up at SFO and he saw my mouth drop as

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Speaker 1: we drove in to the city and he said, she's

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00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: a beautiful lady. But because of I was out of college,

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Speaker 1: I didn't hang out up at knob Hill. They have

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Speaker 1: three hotels, The Fairmont, a Julian Morgan design hotel, the

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Fairmont very famous, the Mark Hopkins which has the Top

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00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: of the Mark which is up up top, a bar

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: restaurant at the very top, and then the Huntington Hotel,

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Speaker 1: which just reopened a week ago. My favorite bar restaurant,

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00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: it's called the Big Four Bar and restaurant. Wood paneling

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00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: piano player, named after the four railroad barons including Leland,

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Speaker 1: Stanford Open, Stanford University, Crocker, and two other gentlemen. But

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Speaker 1: now as an adult, I go there. I didn't go

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00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: there out of college. I didn't know enough about the sophistication. Yeah,

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: and just as I you're so good at letting me

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Speaker 1: ramble and go on tangents.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: When I was in my twenties with my brother in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, we tried to have a martini like dad

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Speaker 1: and we hated it. H Yeah, so I did not

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Speaker 1: start drinking vodka until my thirties.

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, Yes, it's a very adult it's an adult

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: drink or I mean, I don't know, Like sometimes I

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Speaker 3: imagine on spring break there's.

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Speaker 2: A lot of like Vodkatonics, which is never something I drank.

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I can't. I came to it as

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Speaker 2: an adult as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you drink in New York? Any places

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00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: that I would know or not?

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: I don't drink in New York that often.

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Speaker 3: Like when I'm done with work, I go home, So

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Speaker 3: I'm mostly drunk drinking like my very tony Connecticut suburb. Right,

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: we're like martinis, are you know popular?

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: There's some nice places up there. Yeah, yeah, Connecticut.

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00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: But you know, I like vibes, so I like I

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: like a small intimate bar. You know, I like a speakeasy.

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like a good hotel bar. I'm not there

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Speaker 3: for I'm not in for riff raff. Okay, I don't

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00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: want like a lot of craziness.

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: I like it to be nice and contained.

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Speaker 1: Hotel bars are the best. The best hotel lobby bars.

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Speaker 2: Well that's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My brother, we were back in Minnesota a few

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: years back to watch the Timberwolves, and we stayed in

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00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: Minneapolis and then I said, you know, they don't We're

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Speaker 1: gonna go to a couple of games. They don't play

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Speaker 1: for a few days. Let's go over to Saint Paul.

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Speaker 1: And we went to the Saint Paul Hotel and he said,

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00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: they have a lobby bar. Let's just stay here. I

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00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: love hotel lobby bars and h the concierge was very nice.

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01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: He recognized me and he said, I haven't been this

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01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: excited since Melissa Sue Gilbert stayed here. And he said,

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Speaker 1: I said, Saint Paul's underrated because all my buddies like Minneapolis.

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01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: He goes. My history teacher at Augsburg College said, think

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Speaker 1: of Saint Paul as the last city built in the East,

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Speaker 1: and Minneapolis is the first city built in the West. Oh,

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: that's so good. And make sure you go up to

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Speaker 1: Summit Avenue and see where f Scott's Fitzgerald lives. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we had. But the hotel lobby bar was what

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Speaker 1: started all of that because my brother said, we've got

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: to stay here at the same Paul Hotel, one hundred

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Speaker 1: year old hotel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great a good hotel. Lobby bar is

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Speaker 3: like a great experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I'm a big fan of piano bars, and

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Speaker 1: they have some of the lobby bars absolutely have piano players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is great, right, the Boston Ritz Carlton. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a great lobby bar with a piano player in it.

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Speaker 3: King Cole Lounge in New York City, Can.

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Speaker 1: I tell you something. I used to go to the

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Speaker 1: King Cole Room, King Cole Bark Say, yeah, King Max's

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Speaker 1: at the Saint Regis right St. Regis Hotel. I used

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Speaker 1: to stay there when I lived. When I worked at CBS,

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: I would go out there and stay there. But I

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Speaker 1: did Letterman one night and my then girlfriend we went there,

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Speaker 1: actually my first.

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Speaker 2: Date with her.

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: We bar hopped. I can't remember where we started, but

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Speaker 1: I know we ate it. Masa grill right. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: this is in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I was there, loved it.

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Speaker 1: Then we then we go to the King Cole I

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Speaker 1: used to call it the King Cole Room, but I

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: guess it's King Cole Bar. But who cares. It's the mural.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I think it was carpeted at the time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And this is in the nineties and I'm sitting there

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Speaker 1: and I announced to her that I was going to

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Speaker 1: kiss her. I narrate sometimes, but the funny this is

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Speaker 1: what I love because it's the nineties. Right to the

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Speaker 1: right of me sitting there smoking a cigar because you

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: could smoke back there. Yeah, Alec Baldwin, amazing, just beautiful

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Speaker 1: New York? Right, is that for New York? You could

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Speaker 1: smoke a cigars? Alec Baldwin watching Kilbourn announce he was.

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Speaker 2: Going to kiss a girl in the kin Cole Bar?

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Speaker 1: Is that great?

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Speaker 2: Under the glow of the Maxwell Parish.

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Speaker 1: All that's one of my favorite spots mine too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a great plas.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: The last and final question is really important to me.

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 3: I ask it at the end of every podcast. When

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Speaker 3: is it iced coffee season?

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Speaker 1: Craiger's doesn't do iced coffee, So I can wear khakis

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: all year around in la iced coffee. So you guys

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Speaker 1: live on the East coast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say May, May, it gets a month, it gets

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Speaker 2: one month.

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Speaker 1: Oh what do you want? You mean what time of day?

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Speaker 2: No, when is the season for drinking iced coffee?

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: Oh? So it's spring, spring, summer.

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01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 3: Spring, summer. Okay, Yeah, it's the incorrect answer. The correct

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: answer is year round. Okay, But that's that's that's your opinion.

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01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: But I did hear that you drink coffee.

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Speaker 1: Love it in the morning. No sugar. I'm anti sugar.

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: Savory over sweet. I like cheese.

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Speaker 2: Me too, me too, me too. I want bread and cheese.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about candy and sweets at all.

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Speaker 1: There was a place that closed on the Upper West

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Speaker 1: Side around sixty third Street called Peachcha Lean. I remember

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Speaker 1: she used to have a cheese cart.

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Speaker 2: And civilized.

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Speaker 1: My buddies and I went there and he told us

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Speaker 1: the cheeses and he said, and this one has not

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: been approved yet by the FDA. Perfect it's called the

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01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: cheese of the future. No, and we had someone it

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: was really bitter. It wasn't very good. And we went

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: bar hopping and my friend has joked all night. Was

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: I think I had too much Cheese of the future.

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Speaker 2: I need some more cheese of the past, Greg Kilbourne.

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Speaker 2: This was so fun. I really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you.

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