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Speaker 1: show before we leave for Indianapolis Tuesday and spending a
Speaker 1: week at the Combine. Looking forward to that. Always an
Speaker 1: interesting time of year. We've seen these players, a lot
Speaker 1: of them on tape. Now we get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: physically talk to them. Teams get to do the same,
Speaker 1: and they also get the medical information, which I always
Speaker 1: think is the most important thing. But as we go
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Speaker 1: the Combine. Guys, pretty straightforward question, what are we really
Speaker 1: looking for the most? What I mean now, Dave, you've
Speaker 1: been this will be your second, Yes, combine, what do
Speaker 1: you I have an idea what this guy's going to
Speaker 1: look for, but what and maybe not specifically a player
Speaker 1: or anything, but what the experience that you have, the
Speaker 1: interaction you have with the combine, Well, just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's my second one. I'm just grateful that I
Speaker 1: kind of know the ropes now and how hectic it
Speaker 1: is because have you never been there. There's about ten
Speaker 1: different things going on in different, ten different locations all
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, you got obviously the on field stuff,
Speaker 1: which we're not privy two is constantly happening, and then
Speaker 1: the interviews are going all day in the stadium, and
Speaker 1: then you know, team officials are speaking, there's there's the
Speaker 1: competition committee meets two or three times this week. The
Speaker 1: every head coach and every general manager in the league
Speaker 1: is going to hold the press conference, and that's in
Speaker 1: its own special little spot. So it's like it's just
Speaker 1: a whirlwind of things that are happening literally every day
Speaker 1: that you're there, and it's kind of overwhelming when you
Speaker 1: don't really know where it all is. So I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to have the lay of the land this time around.
Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to vision with these players
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, I mean we were joking
Speaker 1: about this like a week ago. How funny it was
Speaker 1: when Dante Fowler kind of took a shout at the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers last year just seeing and i mean the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl was one thing, but it's nothing compared to like
Speaker 1: how much press is going to be here for the
Speaker 1: like I mean what it's something like, there's a thousand
Speaker 1: credentials issues for this thing. I mean, it's it's on
Speaker 1: par with It might not be as it's not as
Speaker 1: crazy as Super Bowl Media Day, but it's it's as
Speaker 1: big of a spotlight as most of these guys are
Speaker 1: going to have ever been under before. Uh, and it's
Speaker 1: always interesting to see how they handle it. You can
Speaker 1: kind of tell some guys are a little more savvy
Speaker 1: and some guys are not. I mean they're coming from
Speaker 1: completely different places and backgrounds. So um, yeah, I'm and
Speaker 1: you know, pick your guy. I mean, I think every
Speaker 1: quarterback that has a decent draft grade, I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: go back to him again. I'm he's my guy, so
Speaker 1: I'll just keep going to him. I'm fascinated to see
Speaker 1: Cardel Jones and just his whole process this week, he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna say something crazy, or at least I would
Speaker 1: expect he is. His numbers are going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: So and I mean that goes for everybody too. I mean,
Speaker 1: GoF Lynch, they're all gonna throw it. Sound like so
Speaker 1: nobody got scared and that's a positive right there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got scared yet not yet. You never know, you know,
Speaker 1: couple right before the quarterbacks pols to throw, you know,
Speaker 1: tweak a wrist or something. You never know, but fingers
Speaker 1: or hopefully we see all the quarterbacks stroke. But no,
Speaker 1: you're right about Crodel. I don't know really how you
Speaker 1: have a good grasp of him as a prospect right now.
Speaker 1: I think the combine and how he performs the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. Yeah, he's really gonna shape where he
Speaker 1: ends up in this draft. Okay, let's get the nuts
Speaker 1: and bolts of this thing, though, Dane. Give me some
Speaker 1: guys that you know, and you can you can bounce
Speaker 1: around whatever, you know, just take a take a broad
Speaker 1: view of really what the you know, the combine it's
Speaker 1: twenty three, yeah, so you can. There's a plenty of
Speaker 1: stories like Dave talking about we'll be there for every
Speaker 1: one of them, and I'll be talking and I'd say
Speaker 1: that's the I mean, the goffs of the world are
Speaker 1: gonna have like this big podium. And I mean James
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston had a crowd like eighteen deep to talk
Speaker 1: to him last year. But then there's some cool stuff
Speaker 1: to learn from these guys who were just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting by themselves. You know, they're not a big enough
Speaker 1: deal to merit a press conference, so you can kind
Speaker 1: of learn some interesting things. Oh you can't get some
Speaker 1: get some good insight on these guys just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting and talking to him, and you could see the
Speaker 1: players are a little overwhelmed too. Yeah, and they sit down,
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, and all of a sudden, these
Speaker 1: questions come firing at them. And now not only they
Speaker 1: have to deal with the questions, because in the media,
Speaker 1: everybody knows you're off the field problems, you know, And
Speaker 1: then and the teams know you're off the field problems
Speaker 1: and they're digging to them. But the media now they're
Speaker 1: now they're attacking you on off the field problems as well.
Speaker 1: If you if you have off the field problems right,
Speaker 1: and you could break the combine in the four areas.
Speaker 1: That's the measurements, the interviews, the medicals, and then the
Speaker 1: on field at Jilly Drills and so for us with
Speaker 1: the interviews as such a paramount part of this process
Speaker 1: learning more about the player, figuring out as much as
Speaker 1: you can about them as a person. And I think
Speaker 1: the medicals you hit the nail on the head. That's
Speaker 1: the most important part of the fun. And that's really
Speaker 1: why the combine was invented, you know, just to get
Speaker 1: the full medical information to all thirty two NFL teams.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's in Indianapolis. It's because indian Hospitalist
Speaker 1: has enough machines to you know, you figure three and
Speaker 1: twenty MRIs and just they have the equipment to handle that. So, um,
Speaker 1: you look at the different categories for measurements. Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: what's his hand size? Twenty three fumbles in college the
Speaker 1: last three years. Yeah, he doesn't have that build that
Speaker 1: you want. He's he has the hype, but not the build.
Speaker 1: What are his official measurements? Vernon Hargraves, we talk about
Speaker 1: a cornery. He has the competitive toughness that you want.
Speaker 1: He has the instincts, but he's not the biggest, not
Speaker 1: the fastest. Vernon Hargraves has first round ability, but what
Speaker 1: will he measure in at Corey Coleman another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see if he is he is he closer to
Speaker 1: five eleven, closer to five to nine. We'll have to
Speaker 1: see how he measures in a lot of these interviews.
Speaker 1: Connor Cook, it's important for him, especially since he skipped them,
Speaker 1: or the Senior Bowl guy like Robert Kimdigi who has
Speaker 1: his all his issues off the fuel, plus some questions
Speaker 1: about how much does he love the game of football.
Speaker 1: Rochard Robinson. Here you go a guy who's gonna he
Speaker 1: told told us he's gonna run the fastest forty at
Speaker 1: the combine at six two eighty five. But the real
Speaker 1: thing will be the interviews. How does he do you know?
Speaker 1: He hasn't played in a year and a half for
Speaker 1: several issues that are of his own doing, and so
Speaker 1: how will he making an injury being one of them?
Speaker 1: That is one of them. Yeah, and he's owned up
Speaker 1: to them. He told us that, you know, he's he
Speaker 1: was immature, he was he was young and he's learned
Speaker 1: from it. We'll see if he can convince teams. Dave
Speaker 1: being in a lum of Ellis. You talk about Robinson
Speaker 1: a little bit. Did we say it? Were we on
Speaker 1: the show when we said I thought he was better
Speaker 1: than Tradevious White when he was playing, like when he
Speaker 1: which he played one year, it was he was a
Speaker 1: true freshman across from White. And they beat out They
Speaker 1: actually they they took Jalen Collins's job away, the guy
Speaker 1: that we talked so much about last year. They pushed
Speaker 1: Mills the safety. Yeah right, I mean he's a he's
Speaker 1: a talented dude, and we've talked about it before that
Speaker 1: when you start talking about corners that are six foot
Speaker 1: and above, yeah, he picks two. People start getting really
Speaker 1: interested because of that Richard Sherman effect. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's talented as hell, but if you do it enough
Speaker 1: stuff wrong that you can't get on the field of LSU,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big rep. Yeah, that's that's that's a
Speaker 1: big issue right there too. And I know cowboy fans
Speaker 1: out there don't want to hear about another LSU corner
Speaker 1: showing up. But this guy is a talented football player. Dan,
Speaker 1: you talking about it, the range, the length, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, at times I think you felt like though
Speaker 1: you didn't I don't want to put words him out.
Speaker 1: I felt like he maybe played a little light. He
Speaker 1: is very light. He gets pushed around on the field
Speaker 1: by receivers too easily blocked, just rail thin um. And
Speaker 1: the technique's a mess. I mean, he shows the athleticism
Speaker 1: to stay within arms length because he just that good
Speaker 1: of an athlete in his arms are that long. But
Speaker 1: the techniques a mess and needs a lot of work there. Uh,
Speaker 1: and just the accountability issues and it's not just one
Speaker 1: thing with him. He was a late qualifier because of academics.
Speaker 1: He didn't even show up to LSU until a week
Speaker 1: before the season opener his true freshman year. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was suspending multiple times for the season opener two fourteen
Speaker 1: against Wisconsin and then for the Alabama game indefinitely, and
Speaker 1: that he'd never returned to the team and they pretty
Speaker 1: much told him, you know, in January, don't come back.
Speaker 1: And so for Robinson, he had a choice. And it
Speaker 1: reminds me of the Noah Spence situation a little bit.
Speaker 1: Noah Spence could have bolted to the NFL. Instead, he
Speaker 1: went to Eastern Kentucky worked to rebuild what was left
Speaker 1: of his NFL draft stock, and he stayed clean at
Speaker 1: Eastern Kentucky was productive and now we're talking about Noah
Speaker 1: Spence as a possible top ten player, even though he
Speaker 1: has this tremendous baggage. Richard Robinson, he sat out the
Speaker 1: last year and a half instead of transferring to a
Speaker 1: lower level school and kind of helping himself by trying
Speaker 1: to rebuild his draft stock. So he went a different route.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it pays off for him or if
Speaker 1: you know, it's really gonna come down to the combine
Speaker 1: for him, how he interviews. And I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: test very well, but the interview process is really the
Speaker 1: most important thing for him. All these defensive backs. So
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to test the best? You
Speaker 1: have a guy in mind that you would that you
Speaker 1: would think would would Jalen Ramsey'd be that guy for you.
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, this is he. He also
Speaker 1: was a part of Flora States track team. He won
Speaker 1: the ACC long jump Championships. So he's gonna the lower
Speaker 1: body explosion, which we'll see, you know, the broad jump,
Speaker 1: the vertical uh and just you know the ten yards split.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna run a four to three.
Speaker 1: You'll probably run more in the four four range, but
Speaker 1: he's a tremendous athlete, so I think, yeah, Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: definitely one of the top guys. Dave A lot of
Speaker 1: people here, you know, Cowboy fans always ask about Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey though, but we kind of get in a little
Speaker 1: bit of an idea that maybe that if he would
Speaker 1: be selected with this team, playim at corner. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you if you're kind of gauging what they're gonna
Speaker 1: potentially do with Byron Jones being a safety, well don't
Speaker 1: I mean Byron Jones, But I think it probably comes
Speaker 1: down to what else happens with your cornerbacks too. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: is Carr gonna be here? Are you gonna bring back
Speaker 1: Mo Claiborne, Are you gonna sign a free agent? You
Speaker 1: got scanned, You have Scandrick, and right now you have car.
Speaker 1: I if I had to guess, I would say car
Speaker 1: is going to be on this team. But that's definitely
Speaker 1: not a guarantee with the cap situation the way it is.
Speaker 1: So if you cut Brandon car or if you don't
Speaker 1: bring back, if you don't add to the position in
Speaker 1: free agency, maybe you know you're sitting there thinking, well,
Speaker 1: we got Bury Church and we got JJ Wilcox, who
Speaker 1: can play safety if they have to. We don't have
Speaker 1: a whole lot in the way of corner depths. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of getting a vibe though that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are thinking about putting Byron Jones at safety full time. No,
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's a vibe. I think it's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, nobody's told me this, but I
Speaker 1: just kind of feel like that's the move. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't see that that leaves to be. Now, Dane
Speaker 1: and we're talking about Ramsey. Keep you from moving Ramsey
Speaker 1: to safety, though, I still think you could play him
Speaker 1: at safety even with Byron back there. No, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to help two spots here. Yeah, because well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think if they drafted Jalen Ramsey, I think he
Speaker 1: would have a Byron Jones type role as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I think it would be very I think he would
Speaker 1: be kind of a everywhere guy. Nicole le dime corner.
Speaker 1: All Right, you've seen a lot of Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Can Jalen Ramsey do that for you? Can he? You
Speaker 1: know this week you're gonna play a little corner. Next week,
Speaker 1: you're gonna play a little safety. Going back and forth
Speaker 1: on this, I think he can. He's to me, he's
Speaker 1: a better safety. I think that's when he shows off
Speaker 1: his playmaking skills when he's in space, keep everything in
Speaker 1: front of him, doesn't have to turn. That's one of
Speaker 1: the most comfortable. But he has the athleticism, he has
Speaker 1: the playmaking skills to play on the outside, you know,
Speaker 1: play in man coverage, and then if you want to
Speaker 1: move him the next snap. I think he can do it.
Speaker 1: He can handle that. He's done it all at Florida State.
Speaker 1: His versatility, H. He's a smart kid. To me, I
Speaker 1: would have no problem inserting him into that versatile Byron
Speaker 1: Jones type of role. Yeah. Do you do you think
Speaker 1: he's a better corner than Byron Jones was last year?
Speaker 1: All right? When Byron Jones came out in the draft.
Speaker 1: It's a good question, um, because see we had Byron
Speaker 1: Jones in the first round. I mean there's probably three
Speaker 1: or three guys ahead of him, I believe, not yeah,
Speaker 1: not top ten. H. We're talking Jalen Ramsey, right, So
Speaker 1: that's again I like Jalen Ramsey better at safety. But
Speaker 1: as a corner. I think he had definitely has more
Speaker 1: upside than Byron Jones does, just because of his his
Speaker 1: size and his skill at the speed that he has
Speaker 1: for that that that position. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: he can come in and contribute as well as Byron
Speaker 1: did as a rookie at corner, but I think long
Speaker 1: term he's the better corner. Kind of sounds like he's
Speaker 1: not interested in picking it. I'm not trying to put
Speaker 1: words him out, but the description the scouches told me
Speaker 1: here is if I'm looking at him at playing corner, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, why am I taking him? If he's if
Speaker 1: he's a better safety than he is a corner, well
Speaker 1: that I mean, if they're and again this is just me,
Speaker 1: but just talk, you know, we're just talking here. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm taking Ramsey, I want him to play safety too.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to play corner. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: my opinion. He can do it though, and I think
Speaker 1: that's it's not that he can do all right. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get into the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys situation, sure again, you could draft him to
Speaker 1: kind of be in every man maybe at an extra
Speaker 1: body at corner play Nicole Play, dime Berry Church and
Speaker 1: JJ Wilcox are both only under contract for one more year.
Speaker 1: That's fair. So you're looking at I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: at not having a lot of depth at safety next year.
Speaker 1: So maybe, I mean you don't need him at safety
Speaker 1: as a rookie and then maybe you move him to
Speaker 1: safety later. Where do they need him the most? Right now?
Speaker 1: This team needs cornerbacks more than anything else. Yeah, even
Speaker 1: if so, again, cornerbacks maybe not where he scout scaring
Speaker 1: me a little bit, And I don't disagree with is
Speaker 1: he scaring you? I don't think he's saying anything scary,
Speaker 1: but he's telling me he's a better safety than he
Speaker 1: is a corner. Great, you're not drafting him to play corner,
Speaker 1: but he could do both. He can do both. Then again,
Speaker 1: did you draft Byron to do what he did this year?
Speaker 1: That was that the role that you had in mind
Speaker 1: for him, the permanent role. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: point is, Yeah, when they drafted Byron Jones, they draft
Speaker 1: him saying, you know, he's going to be a safety,
Speaker 1: He'll be a corner or he'll be a little bit
Speaker 1: of both. With him, he'll be he'll it's a twenty
Speaker 1: seventh pick though, too sure, And I don't think to
Speaker 1: you know where his pick doesn't matter to me in
Speaker 1: terms of are you worried? That's I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I'm trying to get some discussion
Speaker 1: now about that. That's because because but I think you're
Speaker 1: scared and you don't need to be. No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's not scared because I'm okay with Ramsey. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to make people think out there. If they come
Speaker 1: out and play him initially at corner and it does it,
Speaker 1: and they draft him and it doesn't look good, then
Speaker 1: you then you do. You do have the Billy us. Okay,
Speaker 1: well he's a safety now he I mean, but can
Speaker 1: you afford that with a team that needs corners? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Well, and that's I think that's the
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the modern NFL. How often
Speaker 1: this team is in you know, five and six defensive
Speaker 1: back looks. Get him, get a single high stuff here,
Speaker 1: play him however you want to play him as a
Speaker 1: rookie and then he can play safety later. I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's if he's the first round pick. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have him for five years too, so I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about him. Get him on my team. Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: I want to hear. That's what I want to hear.
Speaker 1: I want to hear that, not the hell. I think
Speaker 1: he's a better safety than a corner. And you know
Speaker 1: where i'd love to see him play is kind of
Speaker 1: as that, like Rover, he'd star, right, that's what they
Speaker 1: call it after Let him do that. Let him be
Speaker 1: a nickel or dimeback that just doesn't really have an
Speaker 1: assignment but messes things up. Well, that's why I say,
Speaker 1: you know, if you do that all day, you're looking
Speaker 1: for a combination of a corner, safety, and linebacker. That's
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. He's just a little bit of everything. And
Speaker 1: to try and say he's exclusively this or that, because
Speaker 1: it's a wrong way to treat the player, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I'm just on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say this team needs corners, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're thinking about and there's
Speaker 1: a reason why you don't take hard graves and guys
Speaker 1: like that. Because Will McClay is allergic to small corners. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's why you know when if when everybody starts at
Speaker 1: what would they take Hardgraves at four? I don't think
Speaker 1: they would, because again Will, Will's going to convince Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen that we don't need to play with a
Speaker 1: small corner. And it shows up on tape on Hardgrave
Speaker 1: his tape, he plays small a lot of times, and
Speaker 1: he's just he doesn't have the arm length that you
Speaker 1: wont he's he's going to measure in probably about five ten.
Speaker 1: So it shows up on tape too. This isn't draft related,
Speaker 1: but everything we're saying right now just confirms my belief
Speaker 1: that Brandon Carr's not going anywhere. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you can eat. His salary sucks, there's
Speaker 1: no way around it. It's a well they carried it
Speaker 1: last year saying yeah, I mean they had a chance
Speaker 1: last year to cut that thing in half and do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can afford to go into this
Speaker 1: season without him. For everybody that wants to hate on him,
Speaker 1: he's a serviceable starter who's never missed a game. And
Speaker 1: if you cut him, then you're talking about having one
Speaker 1: cornerback who knows what he's doing, who's coming off major
Speaker 1: knee injury. Yeah, I don't know that the kids played
Speaker 1: last year Mitchell. Yeah, okay, you want Mitchell to be dude, No,
Speaker 1: but I'm horrible. No, I'm just saying I know that
Speaker 1: that's that's something new. Before we get to our before
Speaker 1: we get to a break though, talk about some other guys,
Speaker 1: some importance of you know, I'm gonna tell you this.
Speaker 1: I think this is I'm interested in seeing what Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry really runs. Yeah, okay, And I'm not a Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry fan, and I don't know necessary if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are Derrick Henry fan, but and you know, just gets
Speaker 1: the impression. Then I don't get the impression they are
Speaker 1: at all. But I'm interested because I have a four
Speaker 1: or five four time? Yeah, and I and I'm and
Speaker 1: I but I don't see it. I don't see it.
Speaker 1: So I do. I see a four or five time,
Speaker 1: But the straight line speed doesn't worry me at all. Yeah, Derek,
Speaker 1: it's the movement exactly. How does he do in the
Speaker 1: three cone? How does he do in the short short shuttle?
Speaker 1: I want to see how he does in those short
Speaker 1: area tests. That'll give me a better idea of his
Speaker 1: his quick movements, his ability to move in tight spaces.
Speaker 1: That's really the big the money tests for for Derrick Henry,
Speaker 1: not the forty yard dash. In my opinion, I'm interested
Speaker 1: in seeing Ronald Blair two yeah, from Appalachian stand up.
Speaker 1: Its open some eyes maybe, yeah, that's the And you
Speaker 1: know it's funny though he is working. If you if
Speaker 1: you look at way that the order, he's between Billings
Speaker 1: and Bosa goodness. So, I mean there's some you know,
Speaker 1: there's some potential first round talent that he is gonna
Speaker 1: you know, and and he's gonna get noticed well. And
Speaker 1: there's something there's something too that going right after a
Speaker 1: guy guy there a couple of years ago, it could
Speaker 1: play to your advantage or it could it could kill you.
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, when Eric Fisher and Luke
Speaker 1: Jokel were back to back, you're watching those two guys.
Speaker 1: Luke Jokel was talked about it. It's going to be
Speaker 1: that number one pick, right. No, Eric Fisher was maybe
Speaker 1: a top ten guy at the combine. Going back to
Speaker 1: back like that, Eric Fisher was the by far the
Speaker 1: better athlete, and I think that showed to the chiefs
Speaker 1: as well, and that's why Fisher was the first pick.
Speaker 1: You worried about Miles Jack not doing anything other than
Speaker 1: basically the bench press burs. No, you know, he's only
Speaker 1: five months removed from surgery. Usually it's a six to
Speaker 1: eighth month type of deal recovery. He if he plans
Speaker 1: to work out in March fifteen, that is pro day, right, um,
Speaker 1: But for him it's just gonna be go to the combine.
Speaker 1: Let let the doctors and trainers look at your knee,
Speaker 1: let them give you the you know that the thumbs
Speaker 1: up that hey it's it's almost healed, one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: no issues long term, and then go kill your pro day. Dave,
Speaker 1: what's treadwill gonna run? You wrote about that yesterday. I'm interested,
Speaker 1: And he's another way. I mean the Scott you said
Speaker 1: the Scouts have like a four or five something four
Speaker 1: five two. I think on him, I think if he
Speaker 1: runs that or better, this is gonna solidify him. I
Speaker 1: think there's questions about his speed. I bet I bet
Speaker 1: he'll chunk up one. You do two times, right, I
Speaker 1: bet he'll chunk up a four or six and then
Speaker 1: improve it and get it somewhere in the four or fives.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be that big of it. You
Speaker 1: don't that that jump I don't think will happen. I don't.
Speaker 1: That usually doesn't happen that way. But I bet one
Speaker 1: will be significantly better than the other. Well, okay, what's
Speaker 1: watching him on tape? Speed wears speed on his list
Speaker 1: of strengths. It's down, It's way down. Yeah, but does
Speaker 1: seem separate. But it seems separate because he doesn't need
Speaker 1: speed to be a productive wide receiver. So if he runs,
Speaker 1: but you, Dane, you've been in this a while, you do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there'll be questions about his speed, right, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It'll matter to you know, X amount of teams out there. Sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: If he runs a four or five eight and that's
Speaker 1: his best time, some teams will have question marks. But
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins ran a four to five seven at the
Speaker 1: at the combine. I mean I don't care about speed
Speaker 1: at all? Is that? I mean? Well, all right, that's right,
Speaker 1: I care, but not you're not gonna overvalue Yeah, with
Speaker 1: the with the you know, because a lot of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys trained for the forty yard dash.
Speaker 1: It's you know, they're not used to putting their hand
Speaker 1: on the ground and you know, a track stance and
Speaker 1: right coming off the ball, like that amount of trust
Speaker 1: the tape. As long as he runs in the four
Speaker 1: or five, that's once he runs in the four five
Speaker 1: zero Warrior. If he runs four four eight, he's gonna
Speaker 1: go in the top five. Was he going to go
Speaker 1: to the top five anyway? I think he still could,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's it's early, but I I'd
Speaker 1: see him more as like a top twelve guy now
Speaker 1: than the top five guy. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a top fifteen guy because I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of teams out there that don't
Speaker 1: believe in taking a wide receiver top ten unless they're
Speaker 1: special or have you know that one distinguishing trait um.
Speaker 1: And so I think he could go as high as
Speaker 1: top five or but somewhere in the top fifteen. And
Speaker 1: could he be the slider in this draft? Sure? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's sliding out of the top ten? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, He's say we all kind of have a
Speaker 1: guy that could be taking it four. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: is that top there there's so many variables with him
Speaker 1: because he is the top receiver, and if he's if
Speaker 1: you don't get that top receiver, there's so many options
Speaker 1: in the second round. Are so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: teams picking top ten that are thinking, I could take
Speaker 1: Treadwill here, or I could take you know, a player
Speaker 1: that at a position that's not as deep, and I
Speaker 1: can get my wide receiver in the second or third
Speaker 1: round and say he runs four four eight. Does that
Speaker 1: make their decision easier? Shouldn't, but it might. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. Dude, who have been the wide
Speaker 1: receivers in the last like handful of years that have
Speaker 1: been good enough to go in the top ten? I
Speaker 1: have been pretty beastly. Just for the record. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if if a guy has a skill set that
Speaker 1: he's worth going that high, he's probably gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 1: And one more guy before we go, I know, kid's
Speaker 1: going nuts here right now because we got to get
Speaker 1: to a break. One more guy I'm interested in his
Speaker 1: Paxiston Lynch. Not many people have been talking about Paxston Lynch,
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that Paxiston Lynch is going
Speaker 1: to come in here and blow a lot of people
Speaker 1: away with his workout. Yeah, I get questions all the time,
Speaker 1: why is he falling? He's not falling not. People just
Speaker 1: aren't talking about him right now because there's nothing to
Speaker 1: talk about. But I agree at the combine, he'll unleash
Speaker 1: that arm and he'll look good. Don't be some things? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said that. I tweeted that. I thought I was like,
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, we'll be talking way more
Speaker 1: about this guy than we are right now. He will
Speaker 1: be in the conversation when we start going next week.
Speaker 1: His agent loved it because he retweeted me mister mister Steinberg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was really excited about Jerry McGuire. I'll tell you what. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: old school at school agent right there, he's seen that,
Speaker 1: he's seen Basically he has said, okay, can't I go
Speaker 1: your break? And we will do. So. We'll be back
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Speaker 1: you got for me today? All right? Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start off with one. It's very topical. I've been seeing
Speaker 1: some talk about this on Twitter all week. El Papa SiO.
Speaker 1: He wants to know. Um, you know, Miles Jack is
Speaker 1: the kind of the guy DuJour of the week for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and it's a really interesting point that I've
Speaker 1: been reading about. You know, you look at guys like
Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo, Patrick Willis, m I know Chris Portland wasn't
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, but he obviously retired. It's not
Speaker 1: a position that seems to have a whole lot of longevity,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly not for top ten pick standards. And
Speaker 1: does that concern you when you think about taking Miles
Speaker 1: Jack at four. I think it has to enter to
Speaker 1: the conversation because linebacker is basically the running back on defense.
Speaker 1: You know, they're the position that is there's so much
Speaker 1: contact on each play. They're not the biggest guys. They're
Speaker 1: not like the defensive lineman, and so safeties and linebackers.
Speaker 1: It is something that you have to consider. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, uh, you know, we're talking about something
Speaker 1: that could happen eight years from now, you know, if
Speaker 1: they retire at thirty years. So it's not something that
Speaker 1: is going to scare me away from drafting a player
Speaker 1: at top ten, But it is something that I think,
Speaker 1: you know, should be in the discussion. Try and play
Speaker 1: without one, you know what I'm saying. That's and you
Speaker 1: play with a bad one, get get see how bad
Speaker 1: your defense looks when you have and you get how
Speaker 1: bad you get exposed not having a good mic linebacker,
Speaker 1: good linebackers. You know, we see that all the time.
Speaker 1: We got on we got on Bruce Carter all the
Speaker 1: time for not being able to carry the wheel and stuff,
Speaker 1: and everybody's screaming and yelling and they're screaming at Sean
Speaker 1: Lee because he can't stay. But just play without guy.
Speaker 1: This defense, How much different is it without Rolando McClean
Speaker 1: playing in the middle of it. You know that was
Speaker 1: the conversation. Just go ahead and don't draft one of
Speaker 1: those guys and they'd be crappy on defense. That's fine
Speaker 1: if if that's the I mean, so you draft this
Speaker 1: guy four over I seven years out of him, you
Speaker 1: know what, And I just keep drafting because you know what,
Speaker 1: I know for seven years, I'm gonna have a damn
Speaker 1: good football. Plus the thing, yeah, you can't. There's no
Speaker 1: way to predict that. I mean, you could draft you
Speaker 1: know what. Look at Calvin Johnson. I mean he's hanging
Speaker 1: it up up and sure, you know it, with a
Speaker 1: game of football, you never know with injuries and when
Speaker 1: these guys want to hang it up. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to worry about something that could happen seven eight years.
Speaker 1: My job. My job is to find players. My job
Speaker 1: is to find him and add him and win games.
Speaker 1: Chances are you're not gonna be with this team in
Speaker 1: seventy eight years. In the next two to three. Maybe
Speaker 1: drafting a linebacker at four get me fired. But I
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could be scared like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, but I also feel like though you have to,
Speaker 1: especially at that top pick, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to find the guy though that you feel the most
Speaker 1: comfortable with. Sure, okay, uh, Xavier wants to know, and
Speaker 1: all right, for all we've beaten defensive tackles into the ground.
Speaker 1: I feel like, sure, and we'll talk about him again.
Speaker 1: I'm positive. But he wants to know. So let's say
Speaker 1: you pass on bos so you don't address your pass
Speaker 1: rush at fort stake. Be that as it may. You
Speaker 1: don't do it for whatever reason, Xavier wants to know
Speaker 1: some pass rush, let's say, defensive ends in the second
Speaker 1: or third round, that you might be able to recoup with.
Speaker 1: I think it depends on what kind of pass rush
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I think you have a guy like
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair, who talked about him about who doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who he played on tape, he beat up everyone he faced.
Speaker 1: Uses his length, well, uh, he has. He's not the
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna win the corner every time with speed,
Speaker 1: but he'll go through the shoulder of the blockers with
Speaker 1: his power and his quickness and his playing with violence
Speaker 1: with his hands. Um and so I think Ronald Blair's
Speaker 1: in that second round of Scuss Calhoun, and that's where
Speaker 1: he's maybe a little bit different, where he's a pass
Speaker 1: rush specialist. There. You know, he's gonna be a liability
Speaker 1: versus a run once teams are able to kind of
Speaker 1: get that block that first move. He's shut down a
Speaker 1: lot of times. And so if he doesn't win with
Speaker 1: that initial quickness, I'm not a big believer in Calhoun
Speaker 1: as a consistent edge rush Oba, who is an interesting story.
Speaker 1: You know, born in Africa, came over here and just
Speaker 1: he's still learning the game. I don't think he has
Speaker 1: a huge high ceiling. But talk about a great kid
Speaker 1: off the field who's gonna put in the work day
Speaker 1: end day out. That's Emmanuel Ova, and I think he
Speaker 1: can be a starter in this league. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to be a difference maker. But if you're
Speaker 1: talking second third round looking for a defensive end, then
Speaker 1: he might be the guy. What you think of Carl
Speaker 1: Nassa about the Senior Bowl, Yeah, no, that was that
Speaker 1: was a nice surprise because I liked him way more
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl than I liked his college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his college to him. He watched the pen Steak. Guys.
Speaker 1: We watched that other defensive end play, settle play the
Speaker 1: other day, and I was kind of like, man, I
Speaker 1: found myself watching nas More doing settles, just a tweener
Speaker 1: defensive end tackle. I'm okay. What I saw I saw
Speaker 1: a much better technique player, and I didn't I really
Speaker 1: didn't expect that. I thought i'd just see really a
Speaker 1: try hard guy that really didn't have any pass rush
Speaker 1: skill or played with his hands or was able. But
Speaker 1: he could do all those things. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: able to capture the edge a couple of times, get
Speaker 1: down the line. I mean there's some some positive things.
Speaker 1: It's like the he's like the ultimate late bloomer. Didn't
Speaker 1: start a single game in high school. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 1: start until last year in Penn State. So but one guy,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have I think a big combine. Jihad Ward,
Speaker 1: did you figure out where you're gonna play him? Well?
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's You're gonna get different answers from
Speaker 1: everyone you talk to because he played mostly end on
Speaker 1: the college film, kicked inside sometimes on passing downs. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's two hundred and ninety six pounds, which is not
Speaker 1: your prototypical defensive end, right, but with his athleticism it fits.
Speaker 1: And he's a good looking kid. Mike Tomlin loved that.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, the trades don't necessarily translate the football production
Speaker 1: right now. I think he's still pretty raw, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna blow up the combine. He's gonna test really well
Speaker 1: for a guy that's almost three hundred pounds um. And
Speaker 1: so I think we're gonna see jahad Ward move up, up, up,
Speaker 1: maybe into the back half of the round one or
Speaker 1: early second round. So could be in the discussion at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Victor O. St Stony Brooks never had a
Speaker 1: player draft. Really, Oh no, Stony brook Let him tell
Speaker 1: you about this guy had a player draft. You're talking
Speaker 1: he could be the first he was. He was a
Speaker 1: top three player at the Shrine game. Yeah, I go
Speaker 1: second or third round. We're just talking. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: just like this is like the reverse sweet reverse pass.
Speaker 1: Like it's a little too cute. Guys. Brook. He's when
Speaker 1: you get to the middle round, I think fourth, fifth round,
Speaker 1: that's when you start talking about him. Um. I hope
Speaker 1: you're sitting in that chair and we have our draft coverage.
Speaker 1: I'll be here. Yeah. He did a great job as
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl practices. It was great to see. You know,
Speaker 1: he popped on the film. But seeing him, you know,
Speaker 1: five feet away from me, uh, you know, using his lank,
Speaker 1: he's short's long arms, and he extends well into blockers.
Speaker 1: He's quick. Um, and so I think Victor Occi probably
Speaker 1: better maybe in a three to four, but uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about him as a middle round possibility.
Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, we went in depth on that question. Absolutely. Hey,
Speaker 1: y'all went all the way to the y'all went to
Speaker 1: Stony Brook, which is on Long Island. For anybody that
Speaker 1: wants what do we do? We investigate and educate. That's
Speaker 1: that's education, right, that's education. Okay. Uh. You hear so
Speaker 1: many people like put down the combine because it's the
Speaker 1: underwear Olympics blah blah blah, it's not real football, but
Speaker 1: we love going every year. Well, absolutely, Professor Negro, he
Speaker 1: wants to know, uh, he wants he's a good follower.
Speaker 1: If no, he is right, absolutely agree. He wants to
Speaker 1: know if there's two or three indicators that you do
Speaker 1: take specifically seriously from the combine with hand measurements is
Speaker 1: something that comes up a lot, and it depends on
Speaker 1: the position. And he meant, you know, different positions I
Speaker 1: guess obviously lead to different things. But if there's a
Speaker 1: handful that lead in a you know, that light table
Speaker 1: to indicate success. Let me tell you what I used
Speaker 1: to look at all time. One of my favorite things
Speaker 1: to look at with cornerbacks is the short shuttle. If
Speaker 1: you get a guy, If you get that, you watch
Speaker 1: and if they show the shuttles on as NFL Network
Speaker 1: got the coverage, I think, yeah, yeah, if they show
Speaker 1: the shut the short shuttles, pay attention to how that
Speaker 1: works because to me, lateral agility that tells you a
Speaker 1: lot about it. And you could see if a player,
Speaker 1: especially a secondary guy, is stiff or a linebacker, it's
Speaker 1: really yeah. If there's if there's if they're struggling, to
Speaker 1: reach and then to explode. It tells you a little
Speaker 1: bit about that type of that player. But keep an
Speaker 1: eye on those guys under four under four seconds on
Speaker 1: those defensive backs tells you a lot about foot quickness.
Speaker 1: Something I've learned over the years, just you know, scouting
Speaker 1: and learning from this process. One of the most important
Speaker 1: qualities for a player at any position, maybe besides quarterback,
Speaker 1: is how he plays in space. Right, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the position is. How they play in space
Speaker 1: tells a lot about the player. And you know NFL
Speaker 1: success and so at the combine, to me, the three
Speaker 1: cone drill, that's that's my favorite drill because that shows
Speaker 1: changing direction. Uh, you know, his ability to put his
Speaker 1: foot in the ground quickly, redirect and burst. Uh. So
Speaker 1: I you know, it depends on the position. Like we said,
Speaker 1: a quarterback, hand size, Uh you want at least nine
Speaker 1: in a quarter. If fits below that, then you start
Speaker 1: to worry a little bit. Um For I think length
Speaker 1: is something that shows up for basically almost every position.
Speaker 1: If you're a corner, if you're defensive lineman, offensive linemen,
Speaker 1: you want long arms. For wide receivers, the hand size
Speaker 1: right nine and a half. There are you know better
Speaker 1: receivers that are short or smaller hands. But nine and
Speaker 1: a half is kind of like threshold that you want.
Speaker 1: And so for pass rushers what I what I like
Speaker 1: best is the ten yards split. Not many times you're
Speaker 1: gonna see pass rushers run the forty yard dash, but
Speaker 1: that ten yards split shows that initial get off with
Speaker 1: their hand on the ground and how quick they can
Speaker 1: burst off the ball. So the ten yards splits really
Speaker 1: important to me for the pass rushers. Yeah. Three cone
Speaker 1: trail was invented by a who he just lost recently,
Speaker 1: long time oiler scout and he's the first man that
Speaker 1: took me out on the road scouting in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: I didn't he's the same here. Yeah, that was what
Speaker 1: was one of my mentors when I grew up. He is,
Speaker 1: We're gonna miss him. He invented three cone but yeah,
Speaker 1: our latter native absolutely. Yeah, that question actually kind of
Speaker 1: answered Joseph's question. He had one specifically drills for linebackers
Speaker 1: to have an eye on. I feel like we covered
Speaker 1: a lot right there, Is there or anything? Yeah, Dan
Speaker 1: Dane hit it on the space stuff. When you when
Speaker 1: they when they when they drop them and turn them
Speaker 1: and then burst and then coming for you could see
Speaker 1: if they if you could see if a guy is
Speaker 1: is easily is able to get back to square and
Speaker 1: then burst, or to get back turn and then burn.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things, All kinds of space
Speaker 1: drills are the ones I think they're really Next week,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an article coming out on CBS UM
Speaker 1: just breaking down each drill, just item by item. Just
Speaker 1: I know you you know, fans know what the forty
Speaker 1: yard dashes. But I'm gonna break it down, just point
Speaker 1: by point, all the little things that go into the
Speaker 1: drill and and really the reason why and so they'll
Speaker 1: look for that. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: all on the last one. I'm gonna put you all
Speaker 1: on the spot. I've never heard of this guy, I bet,
Speaker 1: I bet one of y'all hasn't. He might even be
Speaker 1: a big name. I don't know. I don't know as
Speaker 1: much as y'all. Chris wants to know what y'all think
Speaker 1: of Harlan Miller. Cornerback said, the Super Bowl, Oh, which
Speaker 1: which school? Now? I feel like Southeast Louisiana. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: all right, that's the Southeast Louisiana guy. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I knew there was a Southeast Louisiana guy. I could
Speaker 1: not have told you his name. Range Kids again, Stony Brook,
Speaker 1: Southeast Lousiana. The Lions like the Lions play like D
Speaker 1: two football. I'm not worried about it, but no, please
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell me he's a top ten corner
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: top one hundred. Really. Yeah. I think the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: helped him. Uh. I think he's he's gonna be right now.
Speaker 1: I have him as my number nine corner, so I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go so more top eighty type picks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all. I The thing
Speaker 1: about it is he fits into that. He fits into
Speaker 1: that mold, the six foot well, the measurement, six foot
Speaker 1: one eighty two four five. I mean, this guy's a
Speaker 1: big time effort player. I was just reading through my
Speaker 1: notes here, and you know I thought that with him,
Speaker 1: the way he played, the most important thing he did
Speaker 1: he plays with balance. Yeah. Yeah. When you watch him cover,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes cornerbacks when they're trying to run with
Speaker 1: guys and they kind of they look kirky jerky, and
Speaker 1: there this guy. This guy's movement skill is really good
Speaker 1: and when he when he gets him to get settled,
Speaker 1: coming back for the ball, but playing in balance. So
Speaker 1: I really like this guy. So I need to prepare
Speaker 1: for the inevitability that Southeastern and Stoneybrook are gonna have
Speaker 1: guys taking off the board this year. That's why we
Speaker 1: do the draft show, Dave, and we already know who
Speaker 1: they both are too. And it's only February, so it
Speaker 1: happens every year. I mean, we're gonna have a North
Speaker 1: Dakota State player come off the board and ten top
Speaker 1: top ten. That's honestly, that's a great point. I kind
Speaker 1: of take that for granted by now because we've talked
Speaker 1: so much about Carson. The last time an FCS quarterback
Speaker 1: went top ten, I guess it is good. Flacco go
Speaker 1: top ten? You want it like seventeen? Damn, this is
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago. Oh twenty yeah, twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh Steve McNairy Alcorn State. There we go, now he
Speaker 1: went a third. Overall, you made up for that. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll get into some more stuff
Speaker 1: about the combine. I want to maybe focus in on
Speaker 1: some we we last week we did some of the
Speaker 1: top five players. Let's go through the board in the
Speaker 1: middle of the round and just maybe hit I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a couple of names out and have Dane and
Speaker 1: find some more Victor. We'll find some more victor Oces. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I could say that one time, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show Cowboys
Speaker 1: hundred flock and day. We're back on the clock here
Speaker 1: for the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kate Garrison, Executive producer.
Speaker 1: Last five minut it's the show, guys. I want to
Speaker 1: get into some calls, so we're gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some middle round guys. I'm gonna throw some
Speaker 1: names at you, Dane, Dave. Maybe you can tell me
Speaker 1: a little bit about these guys, just maybe somebody to
Speaker 1: look at. Just gonna bounce around some different positions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the last five minutes, Kent, it's
Speaker 1: gonna line up your call, so be ready for that.
Speaker 1: I want to start with Dane wide receiver. I'd like
Speaker 1: for you to tell me something about Farrell Cooper one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in this draft. That's someone I
Speaker 1: would consider and the top fifty. So you know, he's
Speaker 1: a playmaker whenever he touches the ball. I think he
Speaker 1: needs some some route refinement, but he's so good at
Speaker 1: creating catching the ball in stride. It's Randall Cooper. He
Speaker 1: when you look at that South Carolina offense, it was
Speaker 1: Farrell Cooper. I mean there was I mean, Darrell Adams
Speaker 1: gave you a little bit at tight end, but the
Speaker 1: quarterback play was poor the last two years. You know,
Speaker 1: just the weapons didn't get you much, and it was
Speaker 1: really just all on Pharaoh Cooper to move the ball,
Speaker 1: move the chains and and help that South Carolina offense
Speaker 1: score points. So to me, Pharaoh Cooper is one of
Speaker 1: the top five receivers in this draft. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me a little bit about Austin Hooper
Speaker 1: tied in from Stamford, very vanilla tight end, and he
Speaker 1: just you know, he blocks, Okay, he catches, Okay, his
Speaker 1: routes are okay, he creates some separation, not a ton uh.
Speaker 1: It just he's all all around a solid player, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't stand out. Doesn't have that one distinguishing trait
Speaker 1: that he does really really well. And so I think
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper. Where do you draft a player like that? Uh?
Speaker 1: He probably I have a fourth round grade on him,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in the middle rounds a player that
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute. I don't necessarily see a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be able to win one on
Speaker 1: one consistently with you know, the top linebackers in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that can, you know, be on
Speaker 1: your team and help you contribute. Tell me about the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle at Arkansas, Kirkland See and I actually I'm
Speaker 1: a guard, uh because he played left tackle at Arkansas,
Speaker 1: but I'm kicking him inside. I think that's where it
Speaker 1: fits his skill set best. And he's a big guy.
Speaker 1: I'm eager to see what he weighs in at. I
Speaker 1: think he's listed at like about three forty, so you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what is his body type looks like? Played
Speaker 1: left tackle at Arkansas. Yeah, and he didn't do a
Speaker 1: bad job there. You've got him at guard too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you grilling Dane? Well, no, I was just
Speaker 1: asking him where he I didn't know if he had
Speaker 1: him at guard. Okay, I didn't know if you watched
Speaker 1: the Tate Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and so you liked
Speaker 1: them better inside. I liked him better inside. I was
Speaker 1: just making sure. So I was trying to confirm. Maya,
Speaker 1: see there's some method to my madness. Yere, I'm just
Speaker 1: confirming my board. This is what I'm doing. You got
Speaker 1: my guard? Why you got in my garden? Like it's
Speaker 1: you's sitting right here? Yeah? Anyway, interesting, No, that's that's good.
Speaker 1: That means we're seeing the same thing. We're seeing maybe
Speaker 1: not good for you, but some failed scout like me,
Speaker 1: we're seeing similar things, which you know. I think that
Speaker 1: it reinforces that he's a solid player, but probably the
Speaker 1: best inside, the best fit of skill set. Okay, how
Speaker 1: about Landing Turner from North Carolina? I struggle with him.
Speaker 1: A little bit heavy mover, not a guy for different schemes.
Speaker 1: He's gonna fit better than others. Reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit of Lake and Tomlinson, the Duke guard from last year,
Speaker 1: who I couldn't believe he went in the first round.
Speaker 1: I thought he's more of a third, fourth round type
Speaker 1: of guy. But that's how I see kind of Landing Turner. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: just he's heavy yea. And so if he moves heavy too,
Speaker 1: and if your offense, if you ask your offensive lineman
Speaker 1: do a lot of movement and pulling and different things
Speaker 1: like that, he's not your guy. But if you want
Speaker 1: a guy that can win with power play either guard spot, uh,
Speaker 1: he can. He can compete for a starting job. I
Speaker 1: don't see a no brainer, you know, starter, long term
Speaker 1: starter in the NFL, but he can at least push
Speaker 1: your starters at the guard position. Running back Jordan Howard
Speaker 1: from Illinois, He's another guy struggled with. I want Indiana
Speaker 1: excuse bright. I went back in Ferguson's The Illinois right,
Speaker 1: Josh Ferguson. I went back and watched more of Jordan
Speaker 1: Howard the other day. You know a UAB transfer, You
Speaker 1: know that that hold and that the disbanded the program.
Speaker 1: He showed up at Indiana and he took her form
Speaker 1: Telvin Coleman, and he did really well when he was
Speaker 1: on the field. A lot of durability issues there with Howard.
Speaker 1: He's taller than you want for running back, but he
Speaker 1: knows how to use that forward lean and power. Um.
Speaker 1: I saw him running to too many of his own blockers.
Speaker 1: You know, and I think that that worries me. Between
Speaker 1: the tackles, if he's gonna be able to hit the hole,
Speaker 1: hit it with conviction and get to that second level consistently.
Speaker 1: Do you seem as a complete back though? Was he?
Speaker 1: I mean? With the run, catch, yeah, block all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You do see that. And in pass protection he man's
Speaker 1: up face to face with rushers. He does catch the
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield. He didn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of production as a receiver, but he had any double
Speaker 1: digit catches, so you see that he can do it.
Speaker 1: I like him, not as much as I thought initially,
Speaker 1: but he's might number six running back in this card.
Speaker 1: He had procise in this trap, I moved him to
Speaker 1: the number five I am. I like him quite a bit.
Speaker 1: It worries me about, you know, the fumbles. He fumbled
Speaker 1: way too much this year. Sure he has like I've
Speaker 1: experienced and exactly and then that's why he's so tough.
Speaker 1: It is because he was asked to play the running
Speaker 1: back position a few weeks before the season opener this year.
Speaker 1: He never played the position ever in his life. He
Speaker 1: was a wide receiver return man, and so the strides
Speaker 1: that he showed this year, really impressive, and I think
Speaker 1: he's only going to get better as the instincts start
Speaker 1: to catch up, running between the tackles and making quicker decisions.
Speaker 1: And but the fumbles do worry me. The injuries worry
Speaker 1: me as well. He kind of got banged up towards
Speaker 1: the end of the year and uh, it couldn't finish.
Speaker 1: So pro Sie worries me a little bit in those respects.
Speaker 1: But third round, you know, I like him quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm number five running back. Hassan Ridgeway from Texas defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: He was a pleasant surprise. Uh. And it's a good
Speaker 1: thing that he came out because if he doesn't come out,
Speaker 1: Texas might not have a draft pick this year. Um,
Speaker 1: and so Ridgeway came out as a junior. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: another guy who has some injury questions that Jeff swaims
Speaker 1: on the board so he can pick him. That Texas
Speaker 1: would happen. He so if if if it weren't for Swam,
Speaker 1: they had no they had another guy. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: always Jeff Swain, but they didn't. They didn't have one
Speaker 1: two years ago. Correct, Yeah, was the first time in
Speaker 1: seventy years or something like that. Um so. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's he's a pleasant surprise because he's you don't
Speaker 1: move him. He's tough. Well. I think the most impressive
Speaker 1: thing about him, besides his strength and his ability to
Speaker 1: hold the point of attack, was his ball awareness. He
Speaker 1: sees it, he sheds the block, and he makes a
Speaker 1: lot of plays at the line of scrimmage. The coaches
Speaker 1: got on him a little bit about conditioning staying in shape.
Speaker 1: So that's something I want to find out more at
Speaker 1: the combine. But he's a good player. I think he's though.
Speaker 1: It's very good. Yeah, and that's why I put him
Speaker 1: in the third round as a future starting one technique. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see that. That's why I'm looking at him playing a
Speaker 1: one tech. And he played a lot of three yeah
Speaker 1: when he was played some five. Yeah, he around the
Speaker 1: three man. Yeah. How about Leonard Floyd outside linebacker from Georgia.
Speaker 1: He looks like a J Green uh in a Georgia uniform,
Speaker 1: and that's for a wide receiver. That's great for a
Speaker 1: pass rusher not so much. And I'll be eager to
Speaker 1: see what he weighs in at. I mean, he's listed
Speaker 1: about two forty or two thirty five something like that.
Speaker 1: He's very lean. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: barkievous mingo a player that he's just going well in Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna test well. Yeah. He talked about that ten
Speaker 1: yards split for these pass rushers. He can bend really well. Player.
Speaker 1: But you know the instincts I question, um, you know
Speaker 1: the runawareness, you know, how can he hold up as
Speaker 1: a three down player? And he's going to go in
Speaker 1: the first round. I'll be surprised if he doesn't because
Speaker 1: he has the pass rush potential. Um, But should he
Speaker 1: go in the first round, Like, that's a better question
Speaker 1: to me. He's more of a mid to late second
Speaker 1: type of player. How about my linebacker Brown from I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think, I'm trying to Brown. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stump you here on my on the
Speaker 1: Brown from Akron Oh J Tavis Brown. He was my
Speaker 1: biggest combine snub. You're not stumping. I've tried to stump
Speaker 1: he's Oh, that's right. He was your combines. He was
Speaker 1: that my number one combined snub five eleven to a
Speaker 1: move on from there, We'll move on. How about Scooby Wright,
Speaker 1: He's he's that's another tough one. I'm loving these because
Speaker 1: you're you're asking the tough questions. Scooby Wright had a
Speaker 1: professional host here. Well, no, hey, nobody's better at generating Um,
Speaker 1: what's the word not conflict? But you're just a you're
Speaker 1: just start up to debate. You're a painting the butt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't pain but go ahead. Twenty fourteen, the production
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. He had one hundred and sixty tackles, twenty
Speaker 1: nine tackles for a loss, six forced fumbles. Uh. He
Speaker 1: was Zach Thomas out there this year. He couldn't stay
Speaker 1: on the field because he was hurt. And when you
Speaker 1: watched a film, you see a stiff athlete. You see
Speaker 1: a guy that plays really Oh there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that that. That's all I talk about, Scooby, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so aggressive, but that aggressiveness leads in misstown ales
Speaker 1: as well. And so if you are grading him on
Speaker 1: his eyes and his competitive toughness, he's a first round player.
Speaker 1: But when you factor in he's a little stiff. Uh.
Speaker 1: You worry about the discipline and the durability coming back
Speaker 1: because he does push himself so hard. How bad are
Speaker 1: those injury concerns. It's something we'll find out the combine
Speaker 1: because he's beat up a lot, tweaked his knee. I
Speaker 1: feel like he barely played last He did, played three games.
Speaker 1: He tweaked his knee the season opener, came back against
Speaker 1: UCLA and hurt his foot, and then he returned in
Speaker 1: the bowl game and he played the bowl game. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how he who he is at the combine.
Speaker 1: But it's it's a player that you have to kind
Speaker 1: of be a believer in it because he is not
Speaker 1: the best athlete out there, but he's got a little
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas to him. Does But it is if Zach
Speaker 1: Thomas was in today's NFL, would he be as productive?
Speaker 1: You know, Zach Thomas twenty years ago could beat up
Speaker 1: on the run game and you know, didn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about dropping and coverage as much. Yeah, but in
Speaker 1: today's NFL will a scoopy right be as productive? Zach
Speaker 1: Thomas Really is that old, isn't he? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas another one that's in that same conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just makes a ton of tackles. You know, he's
Speaker 1: able to mask his deficiencies athletically because of his instincts,
Speaker 1: he sees it before it happens. And you know, for
Speaker 1: a guy like Luke Keikley he does as well, but
Speaker 1: he also has the athletic traits to match. For a
Speaker 1: guy like Tyler Matacabage, he doesn't quite have the size,
Speaker 1: the strength or the speed, but he's able to get
Speaker 1: by with his instincts. And there's a place in the
Speaker 1: NFL for a guy like that. Sure, But is it
Speaker 1: as a starter? Is it as a as a backup
Speaker 1: special teams guy? These guys are the toughest to figure
Speaker 1: out when their strengths are what they do with their mind,
Speaker 1: not necessarily with their athletic ability. Okay, my last guy
Speaker 1: for you here today. Then how about Will Redmond Corner
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Another guy banged up. He's hurt um, but
Speaker 1: he's in that top ten conversation for corners, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the top senior corners this year, not the biggest.
Speaker 1: That worries me a little bit. Talk about the size
Speaker 1: because it did lead to some of his durability questions
Speaker 1: this year. Wasn't able to be at Senior Bowl because
Speaker 1: of his injuries. Eager to see an injury update at
Speaker 1: the combine. You know what's he doing? Is there anymore
Speaker 1: worries there with his injury because of his build? But
Speaker 1: he if healthy. He's one of the top ten corners
Speaker 1: and he is physical thought him, but he comes up
Speaker 1: and he will lay it on you. Okay, way, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get one by Old Daney's on this show
Speaker 1: after the swaying incident of twenty fifteen and never happened again,
Speaker 1: never happened again. All right, all right, So as you see,
Speaker 1: the number on the screen is eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. We've got five minutes
Speaker 1: left and I'm going to turn the show over to
Speaker 1: our executive producer, Kent Garrison. Kent, we are all doing
Speaker 1: well here today. I know you are. So if everybody
Speaker 1: could get to the questions, we will get through as
Speaker 1: many calls as we can. So who do you got? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll head out west to Midland, Texas and Earnest. Earnest,
Speaker 1: you are on the Draft show, little guys. I just
Speaker 1: had a quick question on Nate such Felt, a quarterback
Speaker 1: out of Indiana, and at a comment also, I mean
Speaker 1: are kind of sleeping on more? I think he's he
Speaker 1: can win some some football games here. Uh yeah, Okay
Speaker 1: for him to have a full off season, okay, training
Speaker 1: camp and all, and I'm pretty sure you can kind
Speaker 1: of compete and win some football games. Okay, that's all
Speaker 1: I got. Thank you. Indiana quarterback. He's he's tall, he
Speaker 1: can rip it um. He needs a lot of work.
Speaker 1: He's one of the true development quarterbacks in this group.
Speaker 1: Uh this year. Who he needs a lot of work.
Speaker 1: You know, you either pop the hood and kind of
Speaker 1: rewire some things. But he has the arm strength and
Speaker 1: size that you want. So six seventh round. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that a lot of these teams will take a
Speaker 1: chance on. This quarterback class is so deep. He's my
Speaker 1: number thirteen quarterbacks. That's why I was kind of I
Speaker 1: was thinking, there's a list of guys, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you just depend on the We always talking
Speaker 1: about ice cream. What's your flavor? What do you like?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I agree with you about that because I've
Speaker 1: I've seen enough of like them Indiana playing other teams.
Speaker 1: And you're right, he does rip the football. Where would
Speaker 1: you say you project him? I gave him a seventh
Speaker 1: round grade. Is my number thirteen quarterback? Real? I know
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. But I've been so hyper
Speaker 1: focused on the thought of the Cowboys signing or adding
Speaker 1: a quarterback in free agency. They're gonna draft one, like
Speaker 1: I feel very confident of that is it? Are we
Speaker 1: ruling out the possibility that they just roll with Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore and then draft the guy that's Deah? I think
Speaker 1: they could pick the guide for and roll with Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: That would it would surprise me if they just don't
Speaker 1: address the position until the draft, and we get to that.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that at the combine. That's good, all right?
Speaker 1: Ken wod he got Johnny in Salt Lake City. Johnny,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Hey, guys, how are you doing? So? I
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask if you guys knew about quarterback
Speaker 1: Sean Davis and Maryland seemed to be a pretty predictive player,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to know if the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: interested in him. And also, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys found out that the NFL made a rule apparently
Speaker 1: that if any player was convicted of what was the
Speaker 1: sexual assault right and some other one, that they want
Speaker 1: to be able to attend to the combine or the draft.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if he doesn't know any players
Speaker 1: that follow that category that might have some playmaking ability
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys might be at after And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to take thank you appreciate the call. Yea. And
Speaker 1: really that rule has been in effect the last few years,
Speaker 1: just hasn't been public. Last year, Tennessee at a linebacker A. J.
Speaker 1: Johnson who was unable to participate at the Combine after
Speaker 1: he was initially invited because of some things that came out.
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's a little tricky because there's guys
Speaker 1: like Roger Lewis Bowling greenwide receiver who got into a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble as a senior in high school. Sure,
Speaker 1: but he was acquitted of one charge felony and then
Speaker 1: the other felony he pled down to a misdemeanor, So
Speaker 1: how do you weigh that? But he will be at
Speaker 1: the Combines, so you know, it's it's interesting and something
Speaker 1: that will have to look for moving forward. But Sean Davis,
Speaker 1: I think you liked Sean Davis a little more than
Speaker 1: I did. In the Maryland defensive back, I was okay,
Speaker 1: corner safety. I'm thinking more of a safety, That's what
Speaker 1: I was thinking at But he's got a little Eric
Speaker 1: road to him the guy last year. The thing about
Speaker 1: is there's just these safeties are hard because it depending
Speaker 1: on what you do with Randy. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, I wrote about von Bell today,
Speaker 1: you know at Ohio State, and I okay, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing von Bell play. So yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got to figure out there. I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that could flip. We've talked about. Mills was
Speaker 1: a guy LSU quarter safety, you know, I mean, we
Speaker 1: know how the cowboys feel about that, Like that's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing. No, especially if no a guy that's
Speaker 1: a recover. If you can cover, get here and worry
Speaker 1: about it later, isn't mixed bag from Davis at the
Speaker 1: Senior Boy, I agree. I agree with that. All right,
Speaker 1: can't you got Oh no, he's cutting us off, he says,
Speaker 1: that's it. He's like, no, all right, somewhere to go.
Speaker 1: He gave us fifteen minutes last week. I guess we
Speaker 1: got we got some key service stuff we gotta do today.
Speaker 1: So all right, for my scouting buddies, Dame Burglar, David
Speaker 1: Hellman and executive producer kenke Garris signed Brian brows. Thank
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