WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combine Preview; Mid-Round Prospects 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:11.480 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.960 your war room for insider news and draft analysis from 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.239 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at Valley Rand, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.160 the Dallas Cowboys Selection by Rand Joe and now your 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:28.960 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.640 Welcome to the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.920 Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:41.960 and Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.560 dot Com, and Kik Garrison, Executive Producer. Welcome to our 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:53.880 show before we leave for Indianapolis Tuesday and spending a 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.840 week at the Combine. Looking forward to that. Always an 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.160 interesting time of year. We've seen these players, a lot 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.679 of them on tape. Now we get the opportunity to 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.080 physically talk to them. Teams get to do the same, 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.560 and they also get the medical information, which I always 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.800 think is the most important thing. But as we go 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.880 along and flow through this show, we want to give 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.600 you guys an opportunity to be a part of it 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.840 as well. We do take questions throughout the show. We 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.960 do take questions for Twitter on the twenty. 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We'll have Jeff 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.440 Kavanaugh on, Kevin Turner and then Dan Turner will be 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.360 joining us, coming all the way from London and so 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.920 excited for him to get an opportunity to be a 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.240 part of that with us. But and I could say, 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.560 you can get the questions in today for that. We'll 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.240 do Twitter on the twenty and then there's also the 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.839 phone number here on the screen eight eight eight eight 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.120 five five two two nine seven. We'll take some of 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.600 your calls a little bit later in the show and 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.359 see what you have to say as we get into 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:30.040 the Combine. Guys, pretty straightforward question, what are we really 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.360 looking for the most? What I mean now, Dave, you've 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.200 been this will be your second, Yes, combine, what do 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.440 you I have an idea what this guy's going to 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.360 look for, but what and maybe not specifically a player 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.840 or anything, but what the experience that you have, the 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.679 interaction you have with the combine, Well, just the fact 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.760 that it's my second one. I'm just grateful that I 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.680 kind of know the ropes now and how hectic it 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.679 is because have you never been there. There's about ten 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.600 different things going on in different, ten different locations all 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.560 the time. I mean, you got obviously the on field stuff, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.480 which we're not privy two is constantly happening, and then 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.680 the interviews are going all day in the stadium, and 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.639 then you know, team officials are speaking, there's there's the 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.560 competition committee meets two or three times this week. The 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.160 every head coach and every general manager in the league 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.920 is going to hold the press conference, and that's in 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.640 its own special little spot. So it's like it's just 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.120 a whirlwind of things that are happening literally every day 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.480 that you're there, and it's kind of overwhelming when you 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.520 don't really know where it all is. So I'm just 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.240 happy to have the lay of the land this time around. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.760 What are you looking forward to vision with these players 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.640 a little bit. Yeah, absolutely, I mean we were joking 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.120 about this like a week ago. How funny it was 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.200 when Dante Fowler kind of took a shout at the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.960 Buccaneers last year just seeing and i mean the Senior 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.000 Bowl was one thing, but it's nothing compared to like 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.520 how much press is going to be here for the 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.600 like I mean what it's something like, there's a thousand 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.560 credentials issues for this thing. I mean, it's it's on 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.440 par with It might not be as it's not as 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.760 crazy as Super Bowl Media Day, but it's it's as 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.640 big of a spotlight as most of these guys are 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.200 going to have ever been under before. Uh, and it's 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.040 always interesting to see how they handle it. You can 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.279 kind of tell some guys are a little more savvy 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.680 and some guys are not. I mean they're coming from 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:20.200 completely different places and backgrounds. So um, yeah, I'm and 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.080 you know, pick your guy. I mean, I think every 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.120 quarterback that has a decent draft grade, I mean, I'll 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.240 go back to him again. I'm he's my guy, so 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.599 I'll just keep going to him. I'm fascinated to see 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.240 Cardel Jones and just his whole process this week, he's 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.240 probably gonna say something crazy, or at least I would 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.360 expect he is. His numbers are going to be interesting. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.560 So and I mean that goes for everybody too. I mean, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.480 GoF Lynch, they're all gonna throw it. Sound like so 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.240 nobody got scared and that's a positive right there. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.400 I got scared yet not yet. You never know, you know, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.560 couple right before the quarterbacks pols to throw, you know, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.400 tweak a wrist or something. You never know, but fingers 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.599 or hopefully we see all the quarterbacks stroke. But no, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.520 you're right about Crodel. I don't know really how you 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.040 have a good grasp of him as a prospect right now. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.520 I think the combine and how he performs the rest 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.479 of the way. Yeah, he's really gonna shape where he 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.680 ends up in this draft. Okay, let's get the nuts 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.320 and bolts of this thing, though, Dane. Give me some 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.440 guys that you know, and you can you can bounce 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.240 around whatever, you know, just take a take a broad 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.160 view of really what the you know, the combine it's 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.520 twenty three, yeah, so you can. There's a plenty of 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.840 stories like Dave talking about we'll be there for every 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.000 one of them, and I'll be talking and I'd say 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.600 that's the I mean, the goffs of the world are 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.080 gonna have like this big podium. And I mean James 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.880 Jamis Winston had a crowd like eighteen deep to talk 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.159 to him last year. But then there's some cool stuff 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:48.760 to learn from these guys who were just kind of 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.640 sitting by themselves. You know, they're not a big enough 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.840 deal to merit a press conference, so you can kind 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.080 of learn some interesting things. Oh you can't get some 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.480 get some good insight on these guys just kind of 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.840 sitting and talking to him, and you could see the 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.080 players are a little overwhelmed too. Yeah, and they sit down, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.279 they're like, you know, and all of a sudden, these 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.040 questions come firing at them. And now not only they 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.760 have to deal with the questions, because in the media, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.279 everybody knows you're off the field problems, you know, And 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.279 then and the teams know you're off the field problems 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.680 and they're digging to them. But the media now they're 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.240 now they're attacking you on off the field problems as well. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.200 If you if you have off the field problems right, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.719 and you could break the combine in the four areas. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.800 That's the measurements, the interviews, the medicals, and then the 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.279 on field at Jilly Drills and so for us with 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.320 the interviews as such a paramount part of this process 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.720 learning more about the player, figuring out as much as 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.440 you can about them as a person. And I think 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.680 the medicals you hit the nail on the head. That's 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.120 the most important part of the fun. And that's really 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.479 why the combine was invented, you know, just to get 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.680 the full medical information to all thirty two NFL teams. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.560 And that's why it's in Indianapolis. It's because indian Hospitalist 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.640 has enough machines to you know, you figure three and 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.800 twenty MRIs and just they have the equipment to handle that. So, um, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.320 you look at the different categories for measurements. Jared Goff, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.160 what's his hand size? Twenty three fumbles in college the 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.280 last three years. Yeah, he doesn't have that build that 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.840 you want. He's he has the hype, but not the build. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.600 What are his official measurements? Vernon Hargraves, we talk about 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.400 a cornery. He has the competitive toughness that you want. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.080 He has the instincts, but he's not the biggest, not 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.760 the fastest. Vernon Hargraves has first round ability, but what 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.560 will he measure in at Corey Coleman another one. Yeah, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.160 we'll see if he is he is he closer to 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.680 five eleven, closer to five to nine. We'll have to 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.400 see how he measures in a lot of these interviews. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.280 Connor Cook, it's important for him, especially since he skipped them, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.440 or the Senior Bowl guy like Robert Kimdigi who has 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.360 his all his issues off the fuel, plus some questions 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.360 about how much does he love the game of football. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.600 Rochard Robinson. Here you go a guy who's gonna he 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.040 told told us he's gonna run the fastest forty at 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.880 the combine at six two eighty five. But the real 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.400 thing will be the interviews. How does he do you know? 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.000 He hasn't played in a year and a half for 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.640 several issues that are of his own doing, and so 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.480 how will he making an injury being one of them? 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.400 That is one of them. Yeah, and he's owned up 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.000 to them. He told us that, you know, he's he 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.840 was immature, he was he was young and he's learned 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.840 from it. We'll see if he can convince teams. Dave 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.200 being in a lum of Ellis. You talk about Robinson 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.640 a little bit. Did we say it? Were we on 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.600 the show when we said I thought he was better 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.360 than Tradevious White when he was playing, like when he 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.920 which he played one year, it was he was a 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.800 true freshman across from White. And they beat out They 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.760 actually they they took Jalen Collins's job away, the guy 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.640 that we talked so much about last year. They pushed 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.360 Mills the safety. Yeah right, I mean he's a he's 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.800 a talented dude, and we've talked about it before that 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.559 when you start talking about corners that are six foot 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.520 and above, yeah, he picks two. People start getting really 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.120 interested because of that Richard Sherman effect. Um. I mean, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.240 he's talented as hell, but if you do it enough 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.840 stuff wrong that you can't get on the field of LSU, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.560 that's a pretty big rep. Yeah, that's that's that's a 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.040 big issue right there too. And I know cowboy fans 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.720 out there don't want to hear about another LSU corner 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.840 showing up. But this guy is a talented football player. Dan, 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.160 you talking about it, the range, the length, you know, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.400 you know, at times I think you felt like though 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:20.720 you didn't I don't want to put words him out. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.120 I felt like he maybe played a little light. He 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.640 is very light. He gets pushed around on the field 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.800 by receivers too easily blocked, just rail thin um. And 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.800 the technique's a mess. I mean, he shows the athleticism 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.000 to stay within arms length because he just that good 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.880 of an athlete in his arms are that long. But 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.600 the techniques a mess and needs a lot of work there. Uh, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.600 and just the accountability issues and it's not just one 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.040 thing with him. He was a late qualifier because of academics. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:51.800 He didn't even show up to LSU until a week 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.240 before the season opener his true freshman year. Uh, he 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.720 was suspending multiple times for the season opener two fourteen 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.000 against Wisconsin and then for the Alabama game indefinitely, and 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.400 that he'd never returned to the team and they pretty 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.560 much told him, you know, in January, don't come back. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.720 And so for Robinson, he had a choice. And it 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.880 reminds me of the Noah Spence situation a little bit. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.080 Noah Spence could have bolted to the NFL. Instead, he 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.959 went to Eastern Kentucky worked to rebuild what was left 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.160 of his NFL draft stock, and he stayed clean at 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.240 Eastern Kentucky was productive and now we're talking about Noah 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.640 Spence as a possible top ten player, even though he 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.160 has this tremendous baggage. Richard Robinson, he sat out the 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.199 last year and a half instead of transferring to a 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.040 lower level school and kind of helping himself by trying 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.839 to rebuild his draft stock. So he went a different route. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.280 We'll see if it pays off for him or if 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.440 you know, it's really gonna come down to the combine 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.960 for him, how he interviews. And I think he's gonna 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.160 test very well, but the interview process is really the 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.520 most important thing for him. All these defensive backs. So 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.040 do you think he's going to test the best? You 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.600 have a guy in mind that you would that you 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.680 would think would would Jalen Ramsey'd be that guy for you. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.720 I think so, I mean, this is he. He also 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.920 was a part of Flora States track team. He won 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:10.839 the ACC long jump Championships. So he's gonna the lower 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.320 body explosion, which we'll see, you know, the broad jump, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.480 the vertical uh and just you know the ten yards split. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.760 I don't think he's gonna run a four to three. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.040 You'll probably run more in the four four range, but 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.559 he's a tremendous athlete, so I think, yeah, Jalen Ramsey 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.480 definitely one of the top guys. Dave A lot of 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.800 people here, you know, Cowboy fans always ask about Jalen 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.200 Ramsey though, but we kind of get in a little 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.839 bit of an idea that maybe that if he would 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.160 be selected with this team, playim at corner. I mean, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.720 if you if you're kind of gauging what they're gonna 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:46.760 potentially do with Byron Jones being a safety, well don't 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.280 I mean Byron Jones, But I think it probably comes 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.880 down to what else happens with your cornerbacks too. I mean, uh, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.640 is Carr gonna be here? Are you gonna bring back 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.160 Mo Claiborne, Are you gonna sign a free agent? You 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.880 got scanned, You have Scandrick, and right now you have car. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.800 I if I had to guess, I would say car 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.760 is going to be on this team. But that's definitely 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.120 not a guarantee with the cap situation the way it is. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.400 So if you cut Brandon car or if you don't 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.600 bring back, if you don't add to the position in 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.760 free agency, maybe you know you're sitting there thinking, well, 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.440 we got Bury Church and we got JJ Wilcox, who 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.320 can play safety if they have to. We don't have 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.160 a whole lot in the way of corner depths. So yeah, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.680 just kind of getting a vibe though that the Cowboys 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.240 are thinking about putting Byron Jones at safety full time. No, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.640 I don't even think that's a vibe. I think it's 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.640 I mean, you know, nobody's told me this, but I 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.520 just kind of feel like that's the move. I don't 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.520 I don't see that that leaves to be. Now, Dane 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.560 and we're talking about Ramsey. Keep you from moving Ramsey 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.600 to safety, though, I still think you could play him 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.640 at safety even with Byron back there. No, I'm trying 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.600 to help two spots here. Yeah, because well, you know, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.160 I think if they drafted Jalen Ramsey, I think he 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.560 would have a Byron Jones type role as a rookie. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.360 I think it would be very I think he would 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.960 be kind of a everywhere guy. Nicole le dime corner. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.000 All Right, you've seen a lot of Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Ramsey. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.360 Can Jalen Ramsey do that for you? Can he? You 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.760 know this week you're gonna play a little corner. Next week, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.400 you're gonna play a little safety. Going back and forth 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.920 on this, I think he can. He's to me, he's 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.840 a better safety. I think that's when he shows off 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.960 his playmaking skills when he's in space, keep everything in 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.640 front of him, doesn't have to turn. That's one of 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.160 the most comfortable. But he has the athleticism, he has 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.200 the playmaking skills to play on the outside, you know, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.400 play in man coverage, and then if you want to 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.760 move him the next snap. I think he can do it. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.000 He can handle that. He's done it all at Florida State. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.120 His versatility, H. He's a smart kid. To me, I 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.199 would have no problem inserting him into that versatile Byron 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.760 Jones type of role. Yeah. Do you do you think 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.280 he's a better corner than Byron Jones was last year? 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.079 All right? When Byron Jones came out in the draft. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.040 It's a good question, um, because see we had Byron 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.120 Jones in the first round. I mean there's probably three 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.440 or three guys ahead of him, I believe, not yeah, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.160 not top ten. H. We're talking Jalen Ramsey, right, So 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.840 that's again I like Jalen Ramsey better at safety. But 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.920 as a corner. I think he had definitely has more 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.320 upside than Byron Jones does, just because of his his 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.080 size and his skill at the speed that he has 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.360 for that that that position. So I don't know if 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.280 he can come in and contribute as well as Byron 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.720 did as a rookie at corner, but I think long 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.080 term he's the better corner. Kind of sounds like he's 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.680 not interested in picking it. I'm not trying to put 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.800 words him out, but the description the scouches told me 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.120 here is if I'm looking at him at playing corner, yeah, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.240 you know, why am I taking him? If he's if 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.120 he's a better safety than he is a corner, well 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.920 that I mean, if they're and again this is just me, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.040 but just talk, you know, we're just talking here. I mean, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.360 if I'm taking Ramsey, I want him to play safety too. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.040 I don't want him to play corner. Yeah, that's just 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.800 my opinion. He can do it though, and I think 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.280 that's it's not that he can do all right. I mean, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.920 if you're gonna get into the nuts and bolts of 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.200 the Cowboys situation, sure again, you could draft him to 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.440 kind of be in every man maybe at an extra 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.440 body at corner play Nicole Play, dime Berry Church and 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.400 JJ Wilcox are both only under contract for one more year. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.280 That's fair. So you're looking at I mean, you're looking 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.160 at not having a lot of depth at safety next year. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.880 So maybe, I mean you don't need him at safety 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.440 as a rookie and then maybe you move him to 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.840 safety later. Where do they need him the most? Right now? 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.960 This team needs cornerbacks more than anything else. Yeah, even 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.760 if so, again, cornerbacks maybe not where he scout scaring 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.160 me a little bit, And I don't disagree with is 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.480 he scaring you? I don't think he's saying anything scary, 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.960 but he's telling me he's a better safety than he 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.880 is a corner. Great, you're not drafting him to play corner, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.800 but he could do both. He can do both. Then again, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.680 did you draft Byron to do what he did this year? 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.080 That was that the role that you had in mind 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.360 for him, the permanent role. And I think that's the 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.880 point is, Yeah, when they drafted Byron Jones, they draft 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.000 him saying, you know, he's going to be a safety, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.720 He'll be a corner or he'll be a little bit 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.640 of both. With him, he'll be he'll it's a twenty 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.760 seventh pick though, too sure, And I don't think to 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.600 you know where his pick doesn't matter to me in 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.720 terms of are you worried? That's I mean, I'm just 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.040 I'm just trying to I'm trying to get some discussion 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.040 now about that. That's because because but I think you're 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.000 scared and you don't need to be. No, No, I'm not. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.960 It's not scared because I'm okay with Ramsey. I'm just 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.280 trying to make people think out there. If they come 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.840 out and play him initially at corner and it does it, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.560 and they draft him and it doesn't look good, then 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.640 you then you do. You do have the Billy us. Okay, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.520 well he's a safety now he I mean, but can 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.480 you afford that with a team that needs corners? That's 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.440 what I'm saying. Well, and that's I think that's the 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.040 I mean, you think about the modern NFL. How often 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.600 this team is in you know, five and six defensive 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.080 back looks. Get him, get a single high stuff here, 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.400 play him however you want to play him as a 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.720 rookie and then he can play safety later. I mean, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:52.680 and that's if he's the first round pick. You're gonna 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.160 have him for five years too, so I'm not worried 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.040 about him. Get him on my team. Okay, that's what 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:58.640 I want to hear. That's what I want to hear. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.080 I want to hear that, not the hell. I think 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.080 he's a better safety than a corner. And you know 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.320 where i'd love to see him play is kind of 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:10.199 as that, like Rover, he'd star, right, that's what they 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.320 call it after Let him do that. Let him be 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.959 a nickel or dimeback that just doesn't really have an 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.600 assignment but messes things up. Well, that's why I say, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.800 you know, if you do that all day, you're looking 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.480 for a combination of a corner, safety, and linebacker. That's 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.679 Jalen Ramsey. He's just a little bit of everything. And 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.040 to try and say he's exclusively this or that, because 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:31.919 it's a wrong way to treat the player, Yeah, I know. 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.439 I don't disagree. I'm just on the other side of it. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.960 I'm trying to say this team needs corners, sure, you know, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.080 and all of a sudden you're thinking about and there's 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.920 a reason why you don't take hard graves and guys 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.119 like that. Because Will McClay is allergic to small corners. Sure, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.040 that's why you know when if when everybody starts at 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.680 what would they take Hardgraves at four? I don't think 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.840 they would, because again Will, Will's going to convince Jerry 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.760 and Stephen that we don't need to play with a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.000 small corner. And it shows up on tape on Hardgrave 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.240 his tape, he plays small a lot of times, and 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:03.800 he's just he doesn't have the arm length that you 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.600 wont he's he's going to measure in probably about five ten. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.719 So it shows up on tape too. This isn't draft related, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.560 but everything we're saying right now just confirms my belief 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.320 that Brandon Carr's not going anywhere. I don't think he's 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.000 a guy that you can eat. His salary sucks, there's 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.240 no way around it. It's a well they carried it 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.440 last year saying yeah, I mean they had a chance 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.520 last year to cut that thing in half and do it. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.800 I don't think they can afford to go into this 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.440 season without him. For everybody that wants to hate on him, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.440 he's a serviceable starter who's never missed a game. And 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.360 if you cut him, then you're talking about having one 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.960 cornerback who knows what he's doing, who's coming off major 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.920 knee injury. Yeah, I don't know that the kids played 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:49.000 last year Mitchell. Yeah, okay, you want Mitchell to be dude, No, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.720 but I'm horrible. No, I'm just saying I know that 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.960 that's that's something new. Before we get to our before 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.480 we get to a break though, talk about some other guys, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.399 some importance of you know, I'm gonna tell you this. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.000 I think this is I'm interested in seeing what Derrick 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.840 Henry really runs. Yeah, okay, And I'm not a Derrick 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.760 Henry fan, and I don't know necessary if the Cowboys 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.760 are Derrick Henry fan, but and you know, just gets 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.760 the impression. Then I don't get the impression they are 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.480 at all. But I'm interested because I have a four 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.119