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Speaker 1: Brian brought us along with Dane Brugler from CBS Sports

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Speaker 1: show before we leave for Indianapolis Tuesday and spending a

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Speaker 1: week at the Combine. Looking forward to that. Always an

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're following that all the information about what

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Speaker 1: do at the Combine. It looks like right now we're

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Speaker 1: see what you have to say as we get into

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Speaker 1: the Combine. Guys, pretty straightforward question, what are we really

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Speaker 1: looking for the most? What I mean now, Dave, you've

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Speaker 1: been this will be your second, Yes, combine, what do

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Speaker 1: look for, but what and maybe not specifically a player

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Speaker 1: interaction you have with the combine, Well, just the fact

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Speaker 1: is because have you never been there. There's about ten

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Speaker 1: the time. I mean, you got obviously the on field stuff,

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Speaker 1: then you know, team officials are speaking, there's there's the

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Speaker 1: competition committee meets two or three times this week. The

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Speaker 1: every head coach and every general manager in the league

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Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to vision with these players

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers last year just seeing and i mean the Senior

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Speaker 1: you're right about Crodel. I don't know really how you

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Speaker 1: Noah Spence could have bolted to the NFL. Instead, he

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Speaker 1: This team needs cornerbacks more than anything else. Yeah, even

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Speaker 1: if so, again, cornerbacks maybe not where he scout scaring

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Speaker 1: but he could do both. He can do both. Then again,

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Speaker 1: It's not scared because I'm okay with Ramsey. I'm just

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Speaker 1: you then you do. You do have the Billy us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Well, and that's I think that's the

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Speaker 1: back looks. Get him, get a single high stuff here,

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Speaker 1: play him however you want to play him as a

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Speaker 1: I want to hear that, not the hell. I think

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Speaker 1: call it after Let him do that. Let him be

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey. He's just a little bit of everything. And

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Speaker 1: he's just he doesn't have the arm length that you

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Speaker 1: wont he's he's going to measure in probably about five ten.

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Speaker 1: So it shows up on tape too. This isn't draft related,

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Speaker 1: but everything we're saying right now just confirms my belief

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Speaker 1: he's a serviceable starter who's never missed a game. And

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Speaker 1: cornerback who knows what he's doing, who's coming off major

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Speaker 1: knee injury. Yeah, I don't know that the kids played

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Speaker 1: that number one pick, right. No, Eric Fisher was maybe

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Speaker 1: a top ten guy at the combine. Going back to

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Speaker 1: back like that, Eric Fisher was the by far the

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Speaker 1: better athlete, and I think that showed to the chiefs

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Speaker 1: as well, and that's why Fisher was the first pick.

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Speaker 1: You worried about Miles Jack not doing anything other than

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Speaker 1: basically the bench press burs. No, you know, he's only

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Speaker 1: five months removed from surgery. Usually it's a six to

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Speaker 1: eighth month type of deal recovery. He if he plans

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Speaker 1: to work out in March fifteen, that is pro day, right, um,

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Speaker 1: But for him it's just gonna be go to the combine.

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Speaker 1: Let let the doctors and trainers look at your knee,

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Speaker 1: let them give you the you know that the thumbs

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Speaker 1: up that hey it's it's almost healed, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: no issues long term, and then go kill your pro day. Dave,

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Speaker 1: what's treadwill gonna run? You wrote about that yesterday. I'm interested,

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Speaker 1: And he's another way. I mean the Scott you said

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Speaker 1: the Scouts have like a four or five something four

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Speaker 1: five two. I think on him, I think if he

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Speaker 1: runs that or better, this is gonna solidify him. I

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Speaker 1: think there's questions about his speed. I bet I bet

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Speaker 1: he'll chunk up one. You do two times, right, I

447
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Speaker 1: bet he'll chunk up a four or six and then

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Speaker 1: improve it and get it somewhere in the four or fives.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be that big of it. You

450
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Speaker 1: don't that that jump I don't think will happen. I don't.

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Speaker 1: That usually doesn't happen that way. But I bet one

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Speaker 1: will be significantly better than the other. Well, okay, what's

453
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Speaker 1: watching him on tape? Speed wears speed on his list

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Speaker 1: of strengths. It's down, It's way down. Yeah, but does

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Speaker 1: seem separate. But it seems separate because he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: speed to be a productive wide receiver. So if he runs,

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Speaker 1: but you, Dane, you've been in this a while, you do, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there'll be questions about his speed, right, Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It'll matter to you know, X amount of teams out there. Sure, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: If he runs a four or five eight and that's

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Speaker 1: his best time, some teams will have question marks. But

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins ran a four to five seven at the

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Speaker 1: at the combine. I mean I don't care about speed

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Speaker 1: at all? Is that? I mean? Well, all right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: I care, but not you're not gonna overvalue Yeah, with

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Speaker 1: the with the you know, because a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these guys trained for the forty yard dash.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, they're not used to putting their hand

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Speaker 1: on the ground and you know, a track stance and

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Speaker 1: right coming off the ball, like that amount of trust

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Speaker 1: the tape. As long as he runs in the four

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Speaker 1: or five, that's once he runs in the four five

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Speaker 1: zero Warrior. If he runs four four eight, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: go in the top five. Was he going to go

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Speaker 1: to the top five anyway? I think he still could,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like it's it's early, but I I'd

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Speaker 1: see him more as like a top twelve guy now

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Speaker 1: than the top five guy. I think he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a top fifteen guy because I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of there's a lot of teams out there that don't

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Speaker 1: believe in taking a wide receiver top ten unless they're

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Speaker 1: special or have you know that one distinguishing trait um.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he could go as high as

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Speaker 1: top five or but somewhere in the top fifteen. And

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Speaker 1: could he be the slider in this draft? Sure? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's what's what's sliding out of the top ten? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, He's say we all kind of have a

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Speaker 1: guy that could be taking it four. Yeah, because he

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Speaker 1: is that top there there's so many variables with him

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Speaker 1: because he is the top receiver, and if he's if

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Speaker 1: you don't get that top receiver, there's so many options

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Speaker 1: in the second round. Are so there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams picking top ten that are thinking, I could take

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Speaker 1: Treadwill here, or I could take you know, a player

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Speaker 1: that at a position that's not as deep, and I

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Speaker 1: can get my wide receiver in the second or third

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Speaker 1: round and say he runs four four eight. Does that

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Speaker 1: make their decision easier? Shouldn't, but it might. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what I was thinking. Dude, who have been the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers in the last like handful of years that have

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Speaker 1: been good enough to go in the top ten? I

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Speaker 1: have been pretty beastly. Just for the record. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if if if a guy has a skill set that

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Speaker 1: he's worth going that high, he's probably gonna be pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And one more guy before we go, I know, kid's

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Speaker 1: going nuts here right now because we got to get

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Speaker 1: to a break. One more guy I'm interested in his

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Speaker 1: Paxiston Lynch. Not many people have been talking about Paxston Lynch,

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Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that Paxiston Lynch is going

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Speaker 1: to come in here and blow a lot of people

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Speaker 1: away with his workout. Yeah, I get questions all the time,

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Speaker 1: why is he falling? He's not falling not. People just

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Speaker 1: aren't talking about him right now because there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: talk about. But I agree at the combine, he'll unleash

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Speaker 1: that arm and he'll look good. Don't be some things? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said that. I tweeted that. I thought I was like,

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, we'll be talking way more

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Speaker 1: be in the conversation when we start going next week.

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Speaker 1: His agent loved it because he retweeted me mister mister Steinberg. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He wants to know. Um, you know, Miles Jack is

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Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo, Patrick Willis, m I know Chris Portland wasn't

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Speaker 1: a top ten pick, but he obviously retired. It's not

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Speaker 1: a position that seems to have a whole lot of longevity,

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Speaker 1: but it's certainly not for top ten pick standards. And

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Speaker 1: does that concern you when you think about taking Miles

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Speaker 1: Jack at four. I think it has to enter to

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Speaker 1: the conversation because linebacker is basically the running back on defense.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're the position that is there's so much

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Speaker 1: It is something that you have to consider. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, uh, you know, we're talking about something

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Speaker 1: that could happen eight years from now, you know, if

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Speaker 1: they retire at thirty years. So it's not something that

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Speaker 1: is going to scare me away from drafting a player

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Speaker 1: at top ten, But it is something that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, should be in the discussion. Try and play

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Speaker 1: without one, you know what I'm saying. That's and you

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Speaker 1: play with a bad one, get get see how bad

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Speaker 1: your defense looks when you have and you get how

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Speaker 1: bad you get exposed not having a good mic linebacker,

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Speaker 1: good linebackers. You know, we see that all the time.

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Speaker 1: We got on we got on Bruce Carter all the

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Speaker 1: time for not being able to carry the wheel and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's screaming and yelling and they're screaming at Sean

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Speaker 1: Lee because he can't stay. But just play without guy.

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Speaker 1: This defense, How much different is it without Rolando McClean

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Speaker 1: playing in the middle of it. You know that was

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Just go ahead and don't draft one of

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Speaker 1: those guys and they'd be crappy on defense. That's fine

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Speaker 1: if if that's the I mean, so you draft this

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Speaker 1: guy four over I seven years out of him, you

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Speaker 1: know what, And I just keep drafting because you know what,

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Speaker 1: I know for seven years, I'm gonna have a damn

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Speaker 1: good football. Plus the thing, yeah, you can't. There's no

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Speaker 1: way to predict that. I mean, you could draft you

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Speaker 1: know what. Look at Calvin Johnson. I mean he's hanging

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Speaker 1: it up up and sure, you know it, with a

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Speaker 1: game of football, you never know with injuries and when

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Speaker 1: these guys want to hang it up. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to worry about something that could happen seven eight years.

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Speaker 1: My job. My job is to find players. My job

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Speaker 1: is to find him and add him and win games.

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Speaker 1: Chances are you're not gonna be with this team in

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Speaker 1: seventy eight years. In the next two to three. Maybe

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Speaker 1: drafting a linebacker at four get me fired. But I

636
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I just I don't want to.

637
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you could be scared like that. Yeah,

638
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: I agree, but I also feel like though you have to,

639
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: especially at that top pick, you have to be able

640
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: to find the guy though that you feel the most

641
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: comfortable with. Sure, okay, uh, Xavier wants to know, and

642
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: all right, for all we've beaten defensive tackles into the ground.

643
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, sure, and we'll talk about him again.

644
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm positive. But he wants to know. So let's say

645
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: you pass on bos so you don't address your pass

646
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: rush at fort stake. Be that as it may. You

647
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: don't do it for whatever reason, Xavier wants to know

648
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: some pass rush, let's say, defensive ends in the second

649
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: or third round, that you might be able to recoup with.

650
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: I think it depends on what kind of pass rush

651
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I think you have a guy like

652
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Ronald Blair, who talked about him about who doesn't matter

653
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: who he played on tape, he beat up everyone he faced.

654
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Uses his length, well, uh, he has. He's not the

655
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna win the corner every time with speed,

656
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: but he'll go through the shoulder of the blockers with

657
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: his power and his quickness and his playing with violence

658
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: with his hands. Um and so I think Ronald Blair's

659
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: in that second round of Scuss Calhoun, and that's where

660
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: he's maybe a little bit different, where he's a pass

661
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: rush specialist. There. You know, he's gonna be a liability

662
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: versus a run once teams are able to kind of

663
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: get that block that first move. He's shut down a

664
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: lot of times. And so if he doesn't win with

665
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: that initial quickness, I'm not a big believer in Calhoun

666
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: as a consistent edge rush Oba, who is an interesting story.

667
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: You know, born in Africa, came over here and just

668
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: he's still learning the game. I don't think he has

669
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: a huge high ceiling. But talk about a great kid

670
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: off the field who's gonna put in the work day

671
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: end day out. That's Emmanuel Ova, and I think he

672
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: can be a starter in this league. I don't think

673
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: he's going to be a difference maker. But if you're

674
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: talking second third round looking for a defensive end, then

675
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: he might be the guy. What you think of Carl

676
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: Nassa about the Senior Bowl, Yeah, no, that was that

677
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: was a nice surprise because I liked him way more

678
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl than I liked his college. Yeah,

679
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: his college to him. He watched the pen Steak. Guys.

680
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: We watched that other defensive end play, settle play the

681
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: other day, and I was kind of like, man, I

682
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: found myself watching nas More doing settles, just a tweener

683
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: defensive end tackle. I'm okay. What I saw I saw

684
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: a much better technique player, and I didn't I really

685
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: didn't expect that. I thought i'd just see really a

686
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: try hard guy that really didn't have any pass rush

687
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: skill or played with his hands or was able. But

688
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: he could do all those things. I mean, he was

689
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: able to capture the edge a couple of times, get

690
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: down the line. I mean there's some some positive things.

691
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: It's like the he's like the ultimate late bloomer. Didn't

692
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: start a single game in high school. Yeah, he didn't

693
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: start until last year in Penn State. So but one guy,

694
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna have I think a big combine. Jihad Ward,

695
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: did you figure out where you're gonna play him? Well?

696
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's You're gonna get different answers from

697
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: everyone you talk to because he played mostly end on

698
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: the college film, kicked inside sometimes on passing downs. Uh.

699
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: He's two hundred and ninety six pounds, which is not

700
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: your prototypical defensive end, right, but with his athleticism it fits.

701
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: And he's a good looking kid. Mike Tomlin loved that.

702
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, the trades don't necessarily translate the football production

703
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: right now. I think he's still pretty raw, but he's

704
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: gonna blow up the combine. He's gonna test really well

705
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: for a guy that's almost three hundred pounds um. And

706
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: so I think we're gonna see jahad Ward move up, up, up,

707
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe into the back half of the round one or

708
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: early second round. So could be in the discussion at

709
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: thirty four. Victor O. St Stony Brooks never had a

710
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: player draft. Really, Oh no, Stony brook Let him tell

711
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: you about this guy had a player draft. You're talking

712
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: he could be the first he was. He was a

713
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: top three player at the Shrine game. Yeah, I go

714
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: second or third round. We're just talking. Yes, yes, I

715
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: just like this is like the reverse sweet reverse pass.

716
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: Like it's a little too cute. Guys. Brook. He's when

717
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: you get to the middle round, I think fourth, fifth round,

718
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: that's when you start talking about him. Um. I hope

719
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: you're sitting in that chair and we have our draft coverage.

720
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll be here. Yeah. He did a great job as

721
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl practices. It was great to see. You know,

722
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: he popped on the film. But seeing him, you know,

723
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: five feet away from me, uh, you know, using his lank,

724
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: he's short's long arms, and he extends well into blockers.

725
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: He's quick. Um, and so I think Victor Occi probably

726
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: better maybe in a three to four, but uh, we're

727
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about him as a middle round possibility.

728
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: There you go. Okay, we went in depth on that question. Absolutely. Hey,

729
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: y'all went all the way to the y'all went to

730
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Stony Brook, which is on Long Island. For anybody that

731
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: wants what do we do? We investigate and educate. That's

732
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: that's education, right, that's education. Okay. Uh. You hear so

733
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: many people like put down the combine because it's the

734
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: underwear Olympics blah blah blah, it's not real football, but

735
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: we love going every year. Well, absolutely, Professor Negro, he

736
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: wants to know, uh, he wants he's a good follower.

737
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: If no, he is right, absolutely agree. He wants to

738
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: know if there's two or three indicators that you do

739
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: take specifically seriously from the combine with hand measurements is

740
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: something that comes up a lot, and it depends on

741
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: the position. And he meant, you know, different positions I

742
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: guess obviously lead to different things. But if there's a

743
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: handful that lead in a you know, that light table

744
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: to indicate success. Let me tell you what I used

745
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: to look at all time. One of my favorite things

746
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: to look at with cornerbacks is the short shuttle. If

747
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: you get a guy, If you get that, you watch

748
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: and if they show the shuttles on as NFL Network

749
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: got the coverage, I think, yeah, yeah, if they show

750
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: the shut the short shuttles, pay attention to how that

751
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: works because to me, lateral agility that tells you a

752
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: lot about it. And you could see if a player,

753
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: especially a secondary guy, is stiff or a linebacker, it's

754
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: really yeah. If there's if there's if they're struggling, to

755
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: reach and then to explode. It tells you a little

756
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: bit about that type of that player. But keep an

757
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: eye on those guys under four under four seconds on

758
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: those defensive backs tells you a lot about foot quickness.

759
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Something I've learned over the years, just you know, scouting

760
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: and learning from this process. One of the most important

761
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: qualities for a player at any position, maybe besides quarterback,

762
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: is how he plays in space. Right, And it doesn't

763
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: matter what the position is. How they play in space

764
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: tells a lot about the player. And you know NFL

765
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: success and so at the combine, to me, the three

766
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: cone drill, that's that's my favorite drill because that shows

767
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: changing direction. Uh, you know, his ability to put his

768
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: foot in the ground quickly, redirect and burst. Uh. So

769
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: I you know, it depends on the position. Like we said,

770
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback, hand size, Uh you want at least nine

771
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: in a quarter. If fits below that, then you start

772
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: to worry a little bit. Um For I think length

773
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: is something that shows up for basically almost every position.

774
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: If you're a corner, if you're defensive lineman, offensive linemen,

775
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: you want long arms. For wide receivers, the hand size

776
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: right nine and a half. There are you know better

777
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: receivers that are short or smaller hands. But nine and

778
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: a half is kind of like threshold that you want.

779
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: And so for pass rushers what I what I like

780
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: best is the ten yards split. Not many times you're

781
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: gonna see pass rushers run the forty yard dash, but

782
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: that ten yards split shows that initial get off with

783
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: their hand on the ground and how quick they can

784
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: burst off the ball. So the ten yards splits really

785
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: important to me for the pass rushers. Yeah. Three cone

786
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: trail was invented by a who he just lost recently,

787
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: long time oiler scout and he's the first man that

788
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: took me out on the road scouting in nineteen ninety two.

789
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I didn't he's the same here. Yeah, that was what

790
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: was one of my mentors when I grew up. He is,

791
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna miss him. He invented three cone but yeah,

792
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: our latter native absolutely. Yeah, that question actually kind of

793
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: answered Joseph's question. He had one specifically drills for linebackers

794
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to have an eye on. I feel like we covered

795
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot right there, Is there or anything? Yeah, Dan

796
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Dane hit it on the space stuff. When you when

797
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: they when they when they drop them and turn them

798
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: and then burst and then coming for you could see

799
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: if they if you could see if a guy is

800
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: is easily is able to get back to square and

801
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: then burst, or to get back turn and then burn.

802
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things, All kinds of space

803
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: drills are the ones I think they're really Next week,

804
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have an article coming out on CBS UM

805
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: just breaking down each drill, just item by item. Just

806
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I know you you know, fans know what the forty

807
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: yard dashes. But I'm gonna break it down, just point

808
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: by point, all the little things that go into the

809
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: drill and and really the reason why and so they'll

810
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: look for that. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna put you

811
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: all on the last one. I'm gonna put you all

812
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: on the spot. I've never heard of this guy, I bet,

813
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I bet one of y'all hasn't. He might even be

814
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: a big name. I don't know. I don't know as

815
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: much as y'all. Chris wants to know what y'all think

816
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: of Harlan Miller. Cornerback said, the Super Bowl, Oh, which

817
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: which school? Now? I feel like Southeast Louisiana. Yeah, he's

818
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: all right, that's the Southeast Louisiana guy. Yeah. I mean

819
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: I knew there was a Southeast Louisiana guy. I could

820
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: not have told you his name. Range Kids again, Stony Brook,

821
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: Southeast Lousiana. The Lions like the Lions play like D

822
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: two football. I'm not worried about it, but no, please

823
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell me he's a top ten corner

824
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah. I think he's gonna be a

825
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: top one hundred. Really. Yeah. I think the Senior Bowl

826
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: helped him. Uh. I think he's he's gonna be right now.

827
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: I have him as my number nine corner, so I

828
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go so more top eighty type picks. Yeah.

829
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all. I The thing

830
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: about it is he fits into that. He fits into

831
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: that mold, the six foot well, the measurement, six foot

832
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: one eighty two four five. I mean, this guy's a

833
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: big time effort player. I was just reading through my

834
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: notes here, and you know I thought that with him,

835
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: the way he played, the most important thing he did

836
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: he plays with balance. Yeah. Yeah. When you watch him cover,

837
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes cornerbacks when they're trying to run with

838
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: guys and they kind of they look kirky jerky, and

839
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: there this guy. This guy's movement skill is really good

840
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: and when he when he gets him to get settled,

841
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: coming back for the ball, but playing in balance. So

842
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: I really like this guy. So I need to prepare

843
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: for the inevitability that Southeastern and Stoneybrook are gonna have

844
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: guys taking off the board this year. That's why we

845
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: do the draft show, Dave, and we already know who

846
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Speaker 1: they both are too. And it's only February, so it

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Speaker 1: top ten. That's honestly, that's a great point. I kind

850
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Speaker 1: of take that for granted by now because we've talked

851
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Speaker 1: so much about Carson. The last time an FCS quarterback

852
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: went top ten, I guess it is good. Flacco go

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00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: top ten? You want it like seventeen? Damn, this is

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00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Uh Steve McNairy Alcorn State. There we go, now he

856
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: went a third. Overall, you made up for that. All right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take our We're gonna take our final break.

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Speaker 1: about the combine. I want to maybe focus in on

860
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: some we we last week we did some of the

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00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: top five players. Let's go through the board in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the round and just maybe hit I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: brought us Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kate Garrison, Executive producer.

907
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: Last five minut it's the show, guys. I want to

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00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: get into some calls, so we're gonna talk a little

909
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: bit about some middle round guys. I'm gonna throw some

910
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: names at you, Dane, Dave. Maybe you can tell me

911
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: a little bit about these guys, just maybe somebody to

912
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: look at. Just gonna bounce around some different positions and

913
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the last five minutes, Kent, it's

914
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: gonna line up your call, so be ready for that.

915
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: I want to start with Dane wide receiver. I'd like

916
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: for you to tell me something about Farrell Cooper one

917
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: of my favorite players in this draft. That's someone I

918
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: would consider and the top fifty. So you know, he's

919
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: a playmaker whenever he touches the ball. I think he

920
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: needs some some route refinement, but he's so good at

921
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: creating catching the ball in stride. It's Randall Cooper. He

922
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: when you look at that South Carolina offense, it was

923
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: Farrell Cooper. I mean there was I mean, Darrell Adams

924
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: gave you a little bit at tight end, but the

925
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: quarterback play was poor the last two years. You know,

926
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: just the weapons didn't get you much, and it was

927
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: really just all on Pharaoh Cooper to move the ball,

928
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: move the chains and and help that South Carolina offense

929
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: score points. So to me, Pharaoh Cooper is one of

930
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: the top five receivers in this draft. Okay, I want

931
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: you to tell me a little bit about Austin Hooper

932
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: tied in from Stamford, very vanilla tight end, and he

933
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: just you know, he blocks, Okay, he catches, Okay, his

934
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: routes are okay, he creates some separation, not a ton uh.

935
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: It just he's all all around a solid player, but

936
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't stand out. Doesn't have that one distinguishing trait

937
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: that he does really really well. And so I think

938
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper. Where do you draft a player like that? Uh?

939
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: He probably I have a fourth round grade on him,

940
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in the middle rounds a player that

941
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute. I don't necessarily see a

942
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be able to win one on

943
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: one consistently with you know, the top linebackers in the NFL.

944
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that can, you know, be on

945
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: your team and help you contribute. Tell me about the

946
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: offensive tackle at Arkansas, Kirkland See and I actually I'm

947
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: a guard, uh because he played left tackle at Arkansas,

948
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: but I'm kicking him inside. I think that's where it

949
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: fits his skill set best. And he's a big guy.

950
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm eager to see what he weighs in at. I

951
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: think he's listed at like about three forty, so you know,

952
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: we'll see what is his body type looks like? Played

953
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: left tackle at Arkansas. Yeah, and he didn't do a

954
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: bad job there. You've got him at guard too. Yeah,

955
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: why are you grilling Dane? Well, no, I was just

956
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: asking him where he I didn't know if he had

957
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: him at guard. Okay, I didn't know if you watched

958
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: the Tate Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and so you liked

959
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: them better inside. I liked him better inside. I was

960
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: just making sure. So I was trying to confirm. Maya,

961
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: see there's some method to my madness. Yere, I'm just

962
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: confirming my board. This is what I'm doing. You got

963
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: my guard? Why you got in my garden? Like it's

964
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: you's sitting right here? Yeah? Anyway, interesting, No, that's that's good.

965
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: That means we're seeing the same thing. We're seeing maybe

966
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: not good for you, but some failed scout like me,

967
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing similar things, which you know. I think that

968
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: it reinforces that he's a solid player, but probably the

969
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: best inside, the best fit of skill set. Okay, how

970
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: about Landing Turner from North Carolina? I struggle with him.

971
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: A little bit heavy mover, not a guy for different schemes.

972
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna fit better than others. Reminds me a little

973
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: bit of Lake and Tomlinson, the Duke guard from last year,

974
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: who I couldn't believe he went in the first round.

975
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I thought he's more of a third, fourth round type

976
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: of guy. But that's how I see kind of Landing Turner. Maybe, yeah,

977
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: just he's heavy yea. And so if he moves heavy too,

978
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and if your offense, if you ask your offensive lineman

979
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 1: do a lot of movement and pulling and different things

980
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: like that, he's not your guy. But if you want

981
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: a guy that can win with power play either guard spot, uh,

982
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: he can. He can compete for a starting job. I

983
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: don't see a no brainer, you know, starter, long term

984
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: starter in the NFL, but he can at least push

985
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: your starters at the guard position. Running back Jordan Howard

986
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: from Illinois, He's another guy struggled with. I want Indiana

987
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: excuse bright. I went back in Ferguson's The Illinois right,

988
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: Josh Ferguson. I went back and watched more of Jordan

989
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Howard the other day. You know a UAB transfer, You

990
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: know that that hold and that the disbanded the program.

991
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: He showed up at Indiana and he took her form

992
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Telvin Coleman, and he did really well when he was

993
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: on the field. A lot of durability issues there with Howard.

994
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: He's taller than you want for running back, but he

995
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: knows how to use that forward lean and power. Um.

996
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I saw him running to too many of his own blockers.

997
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, and I think that that worries me. Between

998
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: the tackles, if he's gonna be able to hit the hole,

999
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: hit it with conviction and get to that second level consistently.

1000
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Do you seem as a complete back though? Was he?

1001
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean? With the run, catch, yeah, block all that stuff.

1002
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: You do see that. And in pass protection he man's

1003
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: up face to face with rushers. He does catch the

1004
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield. He didn't have a ton

1005
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: of production as a receiver, but he had any double

1006
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: digit catches, so you see that he can do it.

1007
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I like him, not as much as I thought initially,

1008
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: but he's might number six running back in this card.

1009
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: He had procise in this trap, I moved him to

1010
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: the number five I am. I like him quite a bit.

1011
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: It worries me about, you know, the fumbles. He fumbled

1012
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: way too much this year. Sure he has like I've

1013
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: experienced and exactly and then that's why he's so tough.

1014
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: It is because he was asked to play the running

1015
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: back position a few weeks before the season opener this year.

1016
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: He never played the position ever in his life. He

1017
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: was a wide receiver return man, and so the strides

1018
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: that he showed this year, really impressive, and I think

1019
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: he's only going to get better as the instincts start

1020
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: to catch up, running between the tackles and making quicker decisions.

1021
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: And but the fumbles do worry me. The injuries worry

1022
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: me as well. He kind of got banged up towards

1023
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: the end of the year and uh, it couldn't finish.

1024
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: So pro Sie worries me a little bit in those respects.

1025
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: But third round, you know, I like him quite a bit. Yeah,

1026
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm number five running back. Hassan Ridgeway from Texas defensive tackle.

1027
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: He was a pleasant surprise. Uh. And it's a good

1028
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: thing that he came out because if he doesn't come out,

1029
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Texas might not have a draft pick this year. Um,

1030
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: and so Ridgeway came out as a junior. Uh, he's

1031
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: another guy who has some injury questions that Jeff swaims

1032
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: on the board so he can pick him. That Texas

1033
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: would happen. He so if if if it weren't for Swam,

1034
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: they had no they had another guy. Yeah, yeah, I

1035
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: always Jeff Swain, but they didn't. They didn't have one

1036
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: two years ago. Correct, Yeah, was the first time in

1037
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: seventy years or something like that. Um so. Yeah. Yeah,

1038
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: but he's he's a pleasant surprise because he's you don't

1039
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: move him. He's tough. Well. I think the most impressive

1040
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: thing about him, besides his strength and his ability to

1041
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: hold the point of attack, was his ball awareness. He

1042
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: sees it, he sheds the block, and he makes a

1043
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: lot of plays at the line of scrimmage. The coaches

1044
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: got on him a little bit about conditioning staying in shape.

1045
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: So that's something I want to find out more at

1046
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: the combine. But he's a good player. I think he's though.

1047
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: It's very good. Yeah, and that's why I put him

1048
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: in the third round as a future starting one technique. Yeah,

1049
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: see that. That's why I'm looking at him playing a

1050
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: one tech. And he played a lot of three yeah

1051
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: when he was played some five. Yeah, he around the

1052
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: three man. Yeah. How about Leonard Floyd outside linebacker from Georgia.

1053
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: He looks like a J Green uh in a Georgia uniform,

1054
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: and that's for a wide receiver. That's great for a

1055
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: pass rusher not so much. And I'll be eager to

1056
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: see what he weighs in at. I mean, he's listed

1057
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: about two forty or two thirty five something like that.

1058
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: He's very lean. Yeah, it reminds me a lot of

1059
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: barkievous mingo a player that he's just going well in Cleveland. Yeah,

1060
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna test well. Yeah. He talked about that ten

1061
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: yards split for these pass rushers. He can bend really well. Player.

1062
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: But you know the instincts I question, um, you know

1063
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: the runawareness, you know, how can he hold up as

1064
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: a three down player? And he's going to go in

1065
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: the first round. I'll be surprised if he doesn't because

1066
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: he has the pass rush potential. Um, But should he

1067
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: go in the first round, Like, that's a better question

1068
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: to me. He's more of a mid to late second

1069
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: type of player. How about my linebacker Brown from I'm

1070
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: trying to think, I'm trying to Brown. I'm trying to

1071
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stump you here on my on the

1072
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: Brown from Akron Oh J Tavis Brown. He was my

1073
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: biggest combine snub. You're not stumping. I've tried to stump

1074
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: he's Oh, that's right. He was your combines. He was

1075
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: that my number one combined snub five eleven to a

1076
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: move on from there, We'll move on. How about Scooby Wright,

1077
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: He's he's that's another tough one. I'm loving these because

1078
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: you're you're asking the tough questions. Scooby Wright had a

1079
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: professional host here. Well, no, hey, nobody's better at generating Um,

1080
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: what's the word not conflict? But you're just a you're

1081
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: just start up to debate. You're a painting the butt. Yeah,

1082
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I haven't pain but go ahead. Twenty fourteen, the production

1083
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. He had one hundred and sixty tackles, twenty

1084
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: nine tackles for a loss, six forced fumbles. Uh. He

1085
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: was Zach Thomas out there this year. He couldn't stay

1086
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: on the field because he was hurt. And when you

1087
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: watched a film, you see a stiff athlete. You see

1088
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: a guy that plays really Oh there's a lot of

1089
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: people that that. That's all I talk about, Scooby, Right, Yeah,

1090
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: he's so aggressive, but that aggressiveness leads in misstown ales

1091
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: as well. And so if you are grading him on

1092
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: his eyes and his competitive toughness, he's a first round player.

1093
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: But when you factor in he's a little stiff. Uh.

1094
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: You worry about the discipline and the durability coming back

1095
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: because he does push himself so hard. How bad are

1096
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: those injury concerns. It's something we'll find out the combine

1097
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: because he's beat up a lot, tweaked his knee. I

1098
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: feel like he barely played last He did, played three games.

1099
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: He tweaked his knee the season opener, came back against

1100
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: UCLA and hurt his foot, and then he returned in

1101
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the bowl game and he played the bowl game. Okay,

1102
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: so we'll see how he who he is at the combine.

1103
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: But it's it's a player that you have to kind

1104
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: of be a believer in it because he is not

1105
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: the best athlete out there, but he's got a little

1106
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas to him. Does But it is if Zach

1107
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: Thomas was in today's NFL, would he be as productive?

1108
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: You know, Zach Thomas twenty years ago could beat up

1109
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: on the run game and you know, didn't have to

1110
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: worry about dropping and coverage as much. Yeah, but in

1111
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: today's NFL will a scoopy right be as productive? Zach

1112
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: Thomas Really is that old, isn't he? Yeah, that's crazy.

1113
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Zach Thomas another one that's in that same conversation. Yeah,

1114
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: it just makes a ton of tackles. You know, he's

1115
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: able to mask his deficiencies athletically because of his instincts,

1116
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: he sees it before it happens. And you know, for

1117
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Luke Keikley he does as well, but

1118
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: he also has the athletic traits to match. For a

1119
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: guy like Tyler Matacabage, he doesn't quite have the size,

1120
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: the strength or the speed, but he's able to get

1121
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: by with his instincts. And there's a place in the

1122
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: NFL for a guy like that. Sure, But is it

1123
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: as a starter? Is it as a as a backup

1124
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: special teams guy? These guys are the toughest to figure

1125
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: out when their strengths are what they do with their mind,

1126
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: not necessarily with their athletic ability. Okay, my last guy

1127
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: for you here today. Then how about Will Redmond Corner

1128
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Another guy banged up. He's hurt um, but

1129
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: he's in that top ten conversation for corners, Uh, you know,

1130
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: one of the top senior corners this year, not the biggest.

1131
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: That worries me a little bit. Talk about the size

1132
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: because it did lead to some of his durability questions

1133
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: this year. Wasn't able to be at Senior Bowl because

1134
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: of his injuries. Eager to see an injury update at

1135
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: the combine. You know what's he doing? Is there anymore

1136
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: worries there with his injury because of his build? But

1137
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: he if healthy. He's one of the top ten corners

1138
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: and he is physical thought him, but he comes up

1139
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: and he will lay it on you. Okay, way, it's

1140
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: hard to get one by Old Daney's on this show

1141
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: after the swaying incident of twenty fifteen and never happened again,

1142
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: never happened again. All right, all right, So as you see,

1143
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: the number on the screen is eight eight eight eight

1144
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. We've got five minutes

1145
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: left and I'm going to turn the show over to

1146
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: our executive producer, Kent Garrison. Kent, we are all doing

1147
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: well here today. I know you are. So if everybody

1148
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: could get to the questions, we will get through as

1149
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: many calls as we can. So who do you got? Yeah,

1150
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: we'll head out west to Midland, Texas and Earnest. Earnest,

1151
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: you are on the Draft show, little guys. I just

1152
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: had a quick question on Nate such Felt, a quarterback

1153
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: out of Indiana, and at a comment also, I mean

1154
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: are kind of sleeping on more? I think he's he

1155
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: can win some some football games here. Uh yeah, Okay

1156
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: for him to have a full off season, okay, training

1157
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: camp and all, and I'm pretty sure you can kind

1158
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: of compete and win some football games. Okay, that's all

1159
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: I got. Thank you. Indiana quarterback. He's he's tall, he

1160
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: can rip it um. He needs a lot of work.

1161
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: He's one of the true development quarterbacks in this group.

1162
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: Uh this year. Who he needs a lot of work.

1163
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: You know, you either pop the hood and kind of

1164
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: rewire some things. But he has the arm strength and

1165
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: size that you want. So six seventh round. He's a

1166
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: guy that a lot of these teams will take a

1167
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: chance on. This quarterback class is so deep. He's my

1168
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: number thirteen quarterbacks. That's why I was kind of I

1169
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: was thinking, there's a list of guys, and you know,

1170
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, you just depend on the We always talking

1171
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: about ice cream. What's your flavor? What do you like?

1172
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I agree with you about that because I've

1173
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I've seen enough of like them Indiana playing other teams.

1174
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: And you're right, he does rip the football. Where would

1175
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: you say you project him? I gave him a seventh

1176
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: round grade. Is my number thirteen quarterback? Real? I know

1177
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: we're running out of time. But I've been so hyper

1178
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: focused on the thought of the Cowboys signing or adding

1179
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: a quarterback in free agency. They're gonna draft one, like

1180
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel very confident of that is it? Are we

1181
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: ruling out the possibility that they just roll with Kellen

1182
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: Moore and then draft the guy that's Deah? I think

1183
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: they could pick the guide for and roll with Kellen Moore.

1184
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: That would it would surprise me if they just don't

1185
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: address the position until the draft, and we get to that.

1186
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: We'll get to that at the combine. That's good, all right?

1187
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: Ken wod he got Johnny in Salt Lake City. Johnny,

1188
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: go ahead, Hey, guys, how are you doing? So? I

1189
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask if you guys knew about quarterback

1190
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Sean Davis and Maryland seemed to be a pretty predictive player,

1191
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to know if the Cowboys were

1192
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: interested in him. And also, I don't know if you

1193
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: guys found out that the NFL made a rule apparently

1194
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: that if any player was convicted of what was the

1195
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: sexual assault right and some other one, that they want

1196
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: to be able to attend to the combine or the draft.

1197
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if he doesn't know any players

1198
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: that follow that category that might have some playmaking ability

1199
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys might be at after And I just

1200
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: wanted to take thank you appreciate the call. Yea. And

1201
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: really that rule has been in effect the last few years,

1202
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: just hasn't been public. Last year, Tennessee at a linebacker A. J.

1203
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: Johnson who was unable to participate at the Combine after

1204
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: he was initially invited because of some things that came out.

1205
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's a little tricky because there's guys

1206
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: like Roger Lewis Bowling greenwide receiver who got into a

1207
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of trouble as a senior in high school. Sure,

1208
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: but he was acquitted of one charge felony and then

1209
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the other felony he pled down to a misdemeanor, So

1210
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: how do you weigh that? But he will be at

1211
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: the Combines, so you know, it's it's interesting and something

1212
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: that will have to look for moving forward. But Sean Davis,

1213
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: I think you liked Sean Davis a little more than

1214
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: I did. In the Maryland defensive back, I was okay,

1215
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: corner safety. I'm thinking more of a safety, That's what

1216
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking at But he's got a little Eric

1217
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: road to him the guy last year. The thing about

1218
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: is there's just these safeties are hard because it depending

1219
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: on what you do with Randy. You're gonna have to

1220
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, I wrote about von Bell today,

1221
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: you know at Ohio State, and I okay, I'm looking

1222
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: forward to seeing von Bell play. So yeah, yeah, you

1223
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: got to figure out there. I think there's a couple

1224
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: of guys that could flip. We've talked about. Mills was

1225
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: a guy LSU quarter safety, you know, I mean, we

1226
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: know how the cowboys feel about that, Like that's not

1227
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: a bad thing. No, especially if no a guy that's

1228
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: a recover. If you can cover, get here and worry

1229
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: about it later, isn't mixed bag from Davis at the

1230
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: Senior Boy, I agree. I agree with that. All right,

1231
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: can't you got Oh no, he's cutting us off, he says,

1232
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: that's it. He's like, no, all right, somewhere to go.

1233
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: He gave us fifteen minutes last week. I guess we

1234
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: got we got some key service stuff we gotta do today.

1235
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: So all right, for my scouting buddies, Dame Burglar, David

1236
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: Hellman and executive producer kenke Garris signed Brian brows. Thank

1237
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us on the Draft Show.

1238
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna come. Yeah, we'll see it Indie. We're gonna

1239
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: have shows starting Wednesday. Check make sure you check with

1240
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com and make sure you check

1241
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: the follow At the Draft Show, we'll be putting out

1242
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: information for you what we're gonna have shows, so probably

1243
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: in the evening time podcast opportunity needs. You can listen

1244
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: to them later if you want. But again, it's gonna

1245
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: be uh from Wednesday through Saturday, and we will see

1246
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,960
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