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Speaker 1: Giants Training Camp two is presented by Ford, the official

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Speaker 1: inside the Giants Huddle on Giants dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: Giants Mobile the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Giants Huddle. I'm Paul de Tino. You could always catch

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Speaker 1: Today we talked to Stephen Baker, the touchdown maker. You

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Speaker 1: all know how dramatic his catch was from Jeff has

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Speaker 1: Stetler against Buffalo and Super Bowl twenty five. So it's

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Speaker 1: always good to see Stephen. In fact, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you gained a pound. No, I'm sad to say I've

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Speaker 1: gained quite a few, man, But it's always good to

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Speaker 1: see you. Man. It's always good to talk history and

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Speaker 1: seeing guys that get it from back in the day. Man,

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Speaker 1: it says always good to see you, Paul. Well, one

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Speaker 1: thing I know, even if you've gained some weight, you

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Speaker 1: haven't gettin daddy height that confident and and you know

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Speaker 1: this team has something munittip receivers on it. Sterling Shepard's

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Speaker 1: coming back from an injury. You know, we have the Achilles,

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Speaker 1: but Cadarius Tony and Wandale Robinson both sub six vooters.

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Speaker 1: But the Giants are looking for a lot of big

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Speaker 1: plays from these guys with their jukeability, which is a

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Speaker 1: word that I've kind of invented, but you understand the

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Speaker 1: kinds of things that smaller receivers do against other teams. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I say the game is Taylor now for smaller

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Speaker 1: and Darnia just take our clothes off. Now these kids

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Speaker 1: on their heads. So I think the game is Taylor

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Speaker 1: now more so for little guys like myself and the

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Speaker 1: things out of these kids because they are some playmakers.

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Speaker 1: And some of the moves that Caldarius was doing last

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Speaker 1: not even gonna well, we'll talk to me about Wandale

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Speaker 1: Robinson comes out of Kentucky over a hundred catches last year,

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Speaker 1: first of all, but multiple skill sets here, absolutely, and

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Speaker 1: That's almost like Tyreek Hill. You know, he may not

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Speaker 1: this incredible versatility can overwhelm a young player as he

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Speaker 1: It was against the Saints. Man Jeff for Outlets threw

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Speaker 1: who has to deliver the ball, Daniel Jones. We all

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Speaker 1: know this is a very very important year for him.

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Speaker 1: What do you see in him that you like? What

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Speaker 1: to see you, Thanks for your time, You're welcome, Thank

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