Speaker 1: Check it on Man No Down Man Tuesday Morning, November
Speaker 1: The Meeting the Book podcast special Early Week Bega pod
Speaker 1: Skill Alexander, thanks for listening in live from the day,
Speaker 1: our beautiful home with the d in front of how
Speaker 1: many people would you say? We're in front of the day, Mikey,
Speaker 1: what do you think the crowd is? Um? What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna go with a little shy of thirty,
Speaker 1: little shy, little shy of thirty air on a strange
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning for Thanksgiving. That's Mike Palm, Derek Stephen's conciliary
Speaker 1: vice president of Ops Circus Sports. Mikey is here, Mike
Speaker 1: Palm and Todd Wishnev from his cork attic, his mom's
Speaker 1: cork attic somewhere in Pittsburgh, p A. What's the background there, Todd?
Speaker 1: What's the blue and white? That's a Greek restaurant. I
Speaker 1: think we've got snowflakes because it's becoming wintertime. You see that?
Speaker 1: What's It's a Sarah Silverman reference. And our guest at
Speaker 1: a kind enough to join us first time ever on
Speaker 1: the megapod. This is Jason Conn's idea producing number seven,
Speaker 1: who who said to me he goes, why don't you
Speaker 1: have felik on? And I'm like, oh, how come my
Speaker 1: brain never shifted from Chris's you know, his his sports
Speaker 1: that we always talked, talked to Chris about seven different
Speaker 1: sports on a numbers game, but never rarely I should
Speaker 1: say about the NFL. It's Chris Flik of the Bear
Speaker 1: from ESPNS College Game Day, Daily Wager in the Stanford
Speaker 1: Steve in the Bear podcast. How you doing, Chris? So,
Speaker 1: so we we can blame this on Jason when this
Speaker 1: goes very very portly, and then we can just depend
Speaker 1: on him. No. I love, I love that you're here
Speaker 1: because this is like a meeting amongst friends. So we're
Speaker 1: excited to uh exactly to talk football. All right, So let's, uh, Todd,
Speaker 1: how do we do this? Let's start first of all
Speaker 1: with CIRCA a lot of eliminations and Circus Survivor. We're
Speaker 1: down at two oh nine. Four entries didn't get in
Speaker 1: before the deadline. Three from one person who emailed you
Speaker 1: at three oh eight and said give me two charges
Speaker 1: in one Vikings and Supersize and police and you said, sorry, buddy,
Speaker 1: Jeff Jeff Benson called him, UM's a little older than me.
Speaker 1: This person, a male person little older than me, works
Speaker 1: at one of the casinos in town. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened. I don't know if he worked graveyard.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he was asleep at five on
Speaker 1: Saturday eight. But yeah, Jeff called him back and just
Speaker 1: explain it. Not only shouldn't we do it, we can't.
Speaker 1: The system locks out at three, there's no way to in.
Speaker 1: It's over Las Vegas. Chris, who's in Circle Millions, not
Speaker 1: in Survivor, who was on the numbers game this morning.
Speaker 1: He is doing very well in Circumillions. He's like top
Speaker 1: twenty ish said he got in one week at three pm. Exactly.
Speaker 1: It can sneak up on you. Two o nine left
Speaker 1: in the Survivor. I have no idea who to pick
Speaker 1: on Thursday. None. See if you guys can convince me
Speaker 1: of a team here? Um, okay, and then Todd, what's
Speaker 1: the your court stenographer? What are the updated picks? Well
Speaker 1: court stenographies for you? Here we go into week twelve.
Speaker 1: All of us had a poor week last week, going
Speaker 1: one and two. Gil moves to sixteen fifteen and two.
Speaker 1: Mikey is tied with Gil exactly at sixteen fifteen and two,
Speaker 1: and I also wanted to to go to fifteen seventeen
Speaker 1: and one. Amazingly, we Mikey one is teaser, Me and
Speaker 1: you Gil lost our teasers, so we all are seven
Speaker 1: and four on teasers. So it's a tight race coming
Speaker 1: down the stretch. I had Cincinnati in Green Bay. I
Speaker 1: lost because of the Borough injury. By the way, that
Speaker 1: Cincinnati game was such an interesting in game bet, and
Speaker 1: I was on Cincinnati. As soon as Burrow got injured,
Speaker 1: I quickly switched and took the other side. They moved
Speaker 1: a line like seven points immediately, but I said, I
Speaker 1: don't even care whatever. They moved the line because the
Speaker 1: guy who came in I don't even remember his name
Speaker 1: was horrendous. After like two plays, I was like, forget this.
Speaker 1: I just dumped on the other side. Brian Finley and
Speaker 1: genius North Carolina State. North Carolina State, wasn't he Chris
Speaker 1: Bryan Finley is all right, here you go, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let me tell you he wasn't in North Carolina State anymore.
Speaker 1: I believe Cincinnati had like a thousand yards before he
Speaker 1: came in, and seventeen when after he came in, So
Speaker 1: it was number I think too right, I think he
Speaker 1: has never seventeen might be number five the number think
Speaker 1: he was seventeen. I think was seventeen in college. I'm
Speaker 1: picking up, all right, Chris, I well, I will tell
Speaker 1: you this. He wasn't playing the A c C And
Speaker 1: the Washington football team after that. All right, Chris has
Speaker 1: a hard out Todd. So let's let's keep on format here.
Speaker 1: But it's sorry, alight and dominuld. I'll start. I'll stay
Speaker 1: as long as I can. You know when you get
Speaker 1: when you when you get all these days, you've got
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments like nick cracking and kind of prompted treatments
Speaker 1: to at this point in the year, like after being
Speaker 1: on the road for for thirteen straight weeks and the
Speaker 1: body completely breaks down. So they've got a nice little
Speaker 1: nick cracking session going up. So but I told him
Speaker 1: I'd better be a little late. So well, well, well
Speaker 1: we'll structure as long as we can. All right, Then,
Speaker 1: I apologize Todd riff as much as you want. All right,
Speaker 1: let's start with the best. Bet. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want Todd met at He's already mad at
Speaker 1: you and Mike, so I don't want I don't want
Speaker 1: him getting med at mate. He's permamat though. Chris, Chris,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You are an upstanding gentleman, a good
Speaker 1: person and and everything. I can only say good things
Speaker 1: about you and you you associate with good people like
Speaker 1: Kirk curb Street, and I associate with the dregs of humanity.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to mention any names, but they're in
Speaker 1: the other two boxes than the other two boxes. Stuck
Speaker 1: in a box. Alright, best bets, Chris. As always, the
Speaker 1: guest has honors, your honor. I I really want to
Speaker 1: take Detroit on Thanksgiving. I just I have a heart.
Speaker 1: I know you were listening to you and Chris every
Speaker 1: week like Houston. You really want to late points with
Speaker 1: them on the road. I'm not. I'm not there, but
Speaker 1: it's God are They're gonna play, Swift gonna play? They
Speaker 1: lost so many guys last week, So it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to write now to to really want to lock
Speaker 1: in on the lock luck lock on an EMU is
Speaker 1: as amazing as it might be. I might put my
Speaker 1: faith in Anthony Lynn and and the Chargers getting nea.
Speaker 1: What what are we calling it here? Five and a
Speaker 1: half six, five and a half. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: they perform every week that the Bills have. I think
Speaker 1: some issues there in that secondary, and we as long
Speaker 1: as weather's okay, we've seen justin Herbert light a light light,
Speaker 1: a lot of defense is up and he's clearly going
Speaker 1: to be the rookie of the year. So I would
Speaker 1: send my best, but I'm gonna go with the with
Speaker 1: the Anthony Lynn laed Wow Los Angeles Chargers catching five
Speaker 1: and a half at Buffalo on Sunday. As Aaron Shots
Speaker 1: from Football Outsiders mentioned two weeks ago in a numbers game,
Speaker 1: the most consistent team in the NFL from week to
Speaker 1: week is the l A Chargers, despite the fact they
Speaker 1: find a way to By the way, Chris, you're New
Speaker 1: York Jets, Braxton Barrios. We do this segment on Primetime
Speaker 1: Action where we give fruit baskets to people who help
Speaker 1: us win bets. My fruit basket went to Braxton Barrios
Speaker 1: of the Jets for refusing the lateral all that last,
Speaker 1: but it's tremendous. Alright, Mikey number one, Todd, what line
Speaker 1: do you have on the game in Dallas? I like
Speaker 1: how he doesn't he asked the line first? What line
Speaker 1: do you have on the sides in the game in
Speaker 1: Dallas on Thanks Dallas Cowboys. I have three even three
Speaker 1: even yes, sir, and I late and two and a half.
Speaker 1: I believe you cannot do that. That only certain people
Speaker 1: have rights to do that. I get. I'm gonna late
Speaker 1: to three here. I you know people have have asked
Speaker 1: me about Thanksgiving survivor. I agree. If you have multiple entries,
Speaker 1: you should do the double option in advance. Take the Lions,
Speaker 1: take since in advance right, because I would still save
Speaker 1: I would save Dallas. I I don't see used in
Speaker 1: the Texans or the Lions later in the year. UM.
Speaker 1: But look, we talked about this game with Cincinnati in Washington, UM,
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier here with the bad beat with
Speaker 1: your with your teaser last week. Gilt Washington is terrible.
Speaker 1: They're terrible on the road. They're owing four this year
Speaker 1: on the road. They were gonna lose that game. This
Speaker 1: is the last two games where they've given up two
Speaker 1: fifty yards in the first half of the game, and
Speaker 1: Burrow was moving the ball up and down. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had a miss field, Goo missed extra point. Cincinnati
Speaker 1: should have had a comfortable lead in that game. So
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit concerned about the Washington defense. I've
Speaker 1: talked to Michael Lombardi of visan uh fame of the
Speaker 1: g M Shuffle, fame of the New York Giants fame,
Speaker 1: and he really believes Alex Smith is going to struggle
Speaker 1: in Dallas on Thanksgiving. This is a tough week. I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of plays at all Thursday or
Speaker 1: Sunday or Monday. My best bet is gonna be Dallas.
Speaker 1: Remember they haven't forgotten that nasty laid hit on Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton in Washington as well, that knocked him out. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a revenge spot for them, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're right back in the thick of it. I
Speaker 1: think the only team that can't win the NFC East
Speaker 1: is the Eagles. I think that they are the worst
Speaker 1: team in division. Any of the other three could win it,
Speaker 1: not the Eagles, who lead by a half game. Dallas
Speaker 1: minus three. Best bet team that you've been fading all
Speaker 1: year the Dallas all year. This is the first time
Speaker 1: I've picked them all year. Philadelphia I said this earlier
Speaker 1: this week. Philadelphia is a team were on paper, they
Speaker 1: look like they're the play and then within one drive
Speaker 1: you're like, I cannot believe I picked this team. They
Speaker 1: are horrific. By the way, the borrow thing. Do you
Speaker 1: think we're not making enough of the malpractice of the
Speaker 1: Bengals in this I'm not saying they cause the injury,
Speaker 1: but the Bengals, how do you how do you throw
Speaker 1: that offensive line on the field. That's how is that
Speaker 1: you start? It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. And and they haven't.
Speaker 1: They're not going anywhere this year, right, and they keep
Speaker 1: they kept dropping him back to pass over and over
Speaker 1: and over, even in this game where he got hurt,
Speaker 1: he had like a full game's worth of stats by
Speaker 1: the time he got hurt. At some point, your only
Speaker 1: mission should be to preserve this guy. He has more.
Speaker 1: What do you want them to do? What are they
Speaker 1: supposed to do? They don't have offensive line? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You know you're gonna have
Speaker 1: him drop back sixty times seventy times a game? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to win the game, yil. They
Speaker 1: played to win the game, yes, but if you have
Speaker 1: a shoddy offensive line like they do. This is not
Speaker 1: like justin Herbert and the Chargers, where he's not under
Speaker 1: where he's under you know, he's not under dress. Burrow
Speaker 1: was taking so much punishment all year long. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you could predict that that he would blow
Speaker 1: out his knee, but you certainly didn't minimize the chances
Speaker 1: of it. The only time they did was in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter in Baltimore, where they ran Nixon into the
Speaker 1: line like seven times because they just didn't want to
Speaker 1: drop him back anymore, because they knew they couldn't protect him.
Speaker 1: He's got more past attempts by like twenty than anybody
Speaker 1: else in the league. Tough Man Todd first pick from
Speaker 1: that God wish them, you know, to get the number.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my first pick. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with a tried and true method of betting, and that
Speaker 1: is that the Sea a Hattle Seahawks ober the total.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why I'd like to do that today.
Speaker 1: Seahawks sometimes once in a while ago Under when they
Speaker 1: play you know, an outstanding defense like the Rams or somebody,
Speaker 1: and the Rams were able to hold them down. But
Speaker 1: the average run of the mill defense, you know with
Speaker 1: average people from say an average state like Iowa. You know,
Speaker 1: average kind of teams are not gonna hold down. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry the hair has been what is that hair? Hair?
Speaker 1: I can't get the hairs? Sorry about okay? God, you
Speaker 1: know for a guy who gets fun of my appearance,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you man and people in glass houses shouldn't
Speaker 1: throw stones. But anyways, um my point is the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 1: against average defensive football teams, are gonna be able to
Speaker 1: move up and down the field. I believe the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles are an average of NFL defensive football team. They
Speaker 1: may even be below average. So I could see Seattle
Speaker 1: moving the football up and down. I can see Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz down seventeen points late getting you two touchdowns. He's
Speaker 1: the king of the late backdoor touchdown. He did it
Speaker 1: again this week to to knock it over my in
Speaker 1: game total. Late in the game. He is fantastic late
Speaker 1: in the game. Now, he's not Hall of Fame level
Speaker 1: J Cutler level that was the greatest backdoor touchdown guy
Speaker 1: of all time. But I will say that Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is quite good with backdoor touchdown. So give me the
Speaker 1: over fifty one. It's not some obscenely high like fifty
Speaker 1: seven or something. I think we can get over fifty
Speaker 1: one with Seattle and Philadelphia. Now, I haven't checked the weather,
Speaker 1: and probably since it's gone down, there's probably bad weather.
Speaker 1: But I still think it's gonna go over. So I'll
Speaker 1: take over fifty one. Todd wishnip Seattle, Philadelphia. My number
Speaker 1: one pick, best bet is the Tennessee Titans. Give me
Speaker 1: the three and a half. Is that what it is? Up?
Speaker 1: Todd and three and a half? Three and a half
Speaker 1: plus three and a half for Tennessee at Indianapolis. Indianapolis
Speaker 1: even in victory the last two weeks, the doubling up
Speaker 1: of Tennessee two weeks ago where Tennessee just kind of
Speaker 1: stopped playing in the second half. That was the game
Speaker 1: where they had eight different third or fourth and ones
Speaker 1: and Philip Rivers came out of the closet about not sneaking,
Speaker 1: and they actually had the first pinch sneak. But Jacoby Brissette, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's gonna come back and harm them in a high
Speaker 1: level situation at some point. And plus when Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: comes in, now doesn't the defense and know that it's
Speaker 1: a sneak for good? The way, that's why I said
Speaker 1: what they should do now is they should fake the
Speaker 1: sneak with Brissette and throw a deep No one's gonna
Speaker 1: be looking for that, because every time Prissette comes in,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be looking for the sneak. This. Uh, this
Speaker 1: game last week where they erased a fourteen point deficit
Speaker 1: against the Packers and did so because the Packers kept
Speaker 1: turning the ball over. The Colts managed not to put
Speaker 1: it away in regulation. From the two seventeen mark to
Speaker 1: the one mark in regulation in a fifty two second span,
Speaker 1: they committed five offensive holding penalties and allowed the Packers
Speaker 1: to maintain time mounts. Packers were eventually were able to
Speaker 1: tie the game up a regulation. I guess what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with the Colts is they make this difficult on themselves,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're a buttoned up football team.
Speaker 1: I think the Titans obviously get better as the game
Speaker 1: goes on. Derrick Henry quintessential game for the Titans last
Speaker 1: week against the Ravens. They just kind of wear you down. Uh.
Speaker 1: Henry didn't have good stats after three quarters. By the
Speaker 1: end of the game as phenomenal um. Tannehill was great
Speaker 1: in the clutch. I think fourteen of sixteen when they
Speaker 1: were down ten on to the end of the game.
Speaker 1: I just think the Titans are a better football team
Speaker 1: and I think they're the one team in the a
Speaker 1: f C come playoff time that can actually beat one
Speaker 1: of the big boys. Uh, you're give me three and
Speaker 1: a hook here. I will take the Tennessee Titans as
Speaker 1: my number one pick, Christopher number two. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you you guys know the way I operate here, especially
Speaker 1: in college, I am going to I'm gonna hold my
Speaker 1: nose with pick number two, and I'm going to take
Speaker 1: the Jacksonvill ag Wires plus the six and a half there.
Speaker 1: But I know they have issues on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. But but the brown the Browns offense
Speaker 1: just is not not good. Every game they seem to
Speaker 1: win is a close game. Uh. Jacksonville has had a
Speaker 1: tendency to play hard at least didn't compete every week. Now,
Speaker 1: last week they the Steelers are obviously one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the league. But you look game in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. They very easily could have won a game
Speaker 1: against the Texas that they very easily could have won
Speaker 1: like the there there's Titans. Earlier in the year, they
Speaker 1: beat the like at least they're trying, and they're they're
Speaker 1: competent in spots, and I just don't trust Cleveland's offense
Speaker 1: to go in there and put up a big number.
Speaker 1: And if I can get the six and a half points,
Speaker 1: I'll take up. Or maybe what do we got? What
Speaker 1: do we got at six and a half? Or seven?
Speaker 1: Are we go? I see six and a half and
Speaker 1: pretty yeah, I see pretty much six six and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take another. Uh and an ugly dog
Speaker 1: there with jab Worth, I'm with you would be Jacksonville
Speaker 1: or nothing for me. That's too many points for Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Who are the paper tiger? Now that the Bears Bears
Speaker 1: used to be the paper tiger this year when they
Speaker 1: were five and one, I think the Browns are the
Speaker 1: seven and three paper tiger. My gay number two Todd?
Speaker 1: What do you have for a number on the Sunday
Speaker 1: Night game? Ask your question? How did Todd become the
Speaker 1: arbiter of lines all of a sudden? There's no point
Speaker 1: of asking you? And then he argues about it. You
Speaker 1: won't argue with him, you know. We send it to
Speaker 1: the junior associate me first, and then I give a number.
Speaker 1: And then if there's any issues, we kick it upstairs
Speaker 1: to the management, which is you, and you give the
Speaker 1: final arbitration. I'm just the junior associate. You're the senior associate.
Speaker 1: If he's the managing partner. That's that's why. What's the
Speaker 1: number Bears Packers? Todd get to it Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1: I have some interesting numbers here. I think it's somewhere
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. There's numbers all over the blathers. I
Speaker 1: see eight and a half. Ish, I would say that's
Speaker 1: the most normal. What do you think, senior management? A half?
Speaker 1: We're gonna lay it with the Packers. This this Bears
Speaker 1: offense is all time bad folds. Isn't the answer to Biskie?
Speaker 1: Isn't the answer? They don't try to run the ball effectively. Um,
Speaker 1: Green Bay much better at home than they are on
Speaker 1: the road. Big rivalry spot is not going to be
Speaker 1: a letdown, especially the Packers off a loss. I'll lay
Speaker 1: it eight and a half. By the way, you're your boss.
Speaker 1: Derik Stevens very vocal against those of us who took
Speaker 1: the Packers in that game against the Jaguars and survivors, saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you should have saved him for the Bears. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. I don't know if I agree with him.
Speaker 1: You had to avoid go ahead, go ahead. I agree
Speaker 1: with Derek. I I agree with Derek, and that's why
Speaker 1: I looked ahead as well. That's why I I went
Speaker 1: to New Orleans two weeks ago and was sitting there
Speaker 1: rooting for the Jaguars to try and knock off green Bits.
Speaker 1: I'm not playing. I'm using green Bay this week myself.
Speaker 1: So I agree with Well, the green Bay lost Indianapolis
Speaker 1: certainly didn't hurt that cause. I'll say that they're gonna
Speaker 1: be angry. Todd number two dot I would like to
Speaker 1: take as my number two picks. I would like to
Speaker 1: do another over. And this isn't over in the l
Speaker 1: A Charger Buffalo Bill football game. I have a number
Speaker 1: of let's see I checked it before. Let's just make
Speaker 1: sure it's I have fifty three or fifty three and
Speaker 1: a half. Gill, I'm gonna kick it to you for
Speaker 1: a fair arbitration sale. No, it's fifty four. If not
Speaker 1: fifty four and a half, I'll give you fifty three
Speaker 1: and a half. I don't see four three and a half.
Speaker 1: I am currently looking at Nevada lines today as opposed
Speaker 1: to my usual off shore over fifty four. Yeah, pot
Speaker 1: here at circa the worldwide leader, we're at fifty three.
Speaker 1: Oh oh see, so I was I was somewhat right.
Speaker 1: I'll take the fifty four. That's okay. I don't have
Speaker 1: to be like Mike and Tredit. Wait a minute, how
Speaker 1: come about we're talking about we're talking about the Chargers
Speaker 1: and the Bills? Right yet? Oh I said, well this
Speaker 1: is not updated. Then it's the senior management has the
Speaker 1: wrong numbers. As in most organizations, the people that actually
Speaker 1: do the work know a lot more than senior management.
Speaker 1: In this case. Again, yes you know what, Todd, you
Speaker 1: are fifty three and a half. There you go. I
Speaker 1: always fight. I always fight for my friend Todd. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know you care about the little guy. Um. The
Speaker 1: l A Chargers against the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: are a good offensive football team. They are not a
Speaker 1: great defensive football team. And you know what, with this
Speaker 1: Herbert guy, the Chargers are pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 1: They move the football weekend week out. This guy moves
Speaker 1: the football up the field for you. And we have
Speaker 1: seen that the Chargers like to blow the game late,
Speaker 1: even against the Jets. Had they blown that one, that
Speaker 1: would have been the all time Anthony Lynn Anthony Lynn situation.
Speaker 1: I mean unbelievable that even the Jets were able to cover,
Speaker 1: and then even the Jets had an opportunity to tie
Speaker 1: the game. It is beyond belief. I didn't think it
Speaker 1: could happen. Last week it almost happened. So you gotta
Speaker 1: think in this game, where the Chargers have been moving
Speaker 1: the football, I see them be getting in the twenties easily,
Speaker 1: the Bills easily. I love this game over. I just
Speaker 1: think that, you know, the Bills are not a defensive
Speaker 1: football team, guys. And now is the weather going to
Speaker 1: be bad in Buffalo? I didn't check the weather yet,
Speaker 1: but the fact that the numbers, the fact that the
Speaker 1: number has gone up making me the question. So it's
Speaker 1: only Tuesday, Chris. The problem is doing accu weather, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of on a Thursday, been on the Tuesday can
Speaker 1: be fraught with peril. So I'm not gonna do my
Speaker 1: weather this far out. If there's weather a big issue there. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: now the fact that the number has gone up from
Speaker 1: the open makes me think that probably they have checked
Speaker 1: the weather. So I'm just gonna take this over. I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know what's so funny. Guys
Speaker 1: lower me and Chris Felika, the average guy would get
Speaker 1: down here doing the work, and uh, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think this game is going over. I just you
Speaker 1: know what, I haven't seen anybody really stopped the Charge.
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen anybody stop the Bills. I mean
Speaker 1: the Bills played poor, maybe a couple of games on offense,
Speaker 1: but most of the time they moved it up and
Speaker 1: down the field. And I haven't seen anything from the
Speaker 1: Charges defense that gives me any any confidence in either
Speaker 1: of these teams defenses against what I would consider two
Speaker 1: above average NFL offenses, both probably in the fifth to
Speaker 1: fifteen rank, somewhere in that basket I would put both
Speaker 1: those offensive football teams. So I think we can get
Speaker 1: way over the fifty three and a half. Here, give
Speaker 1: me another over l A Chargers, Buffalo Bills to the
Speaker 1: jerk Offs great breakdowns. Brady, Oh, that was what was
Speaker 1: only seven and a half minutes. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: not like chiropractor appointment. Jesus, you're making fun of and
Speaker 1: going on and Okay, Brady, I hope you're listened to this.
Speaker 1: That was Mike palm out of in front of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just love that you have so much
Speaker 1: conviction on the over You're like, I haven't checked the weather,
Speaker 1: but the fact that it's going up tells me they
Speaker 1: have so thorough Uh. Number two, number two for me,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Arizona Cardinals. Now, that's minus two and
Speaker 1: a half, right, Todd? Your Arizona Cardinals are minus two
Speaker 1: and a half. That is correct, sir, Arizona minus two
Speaker 1: and a half. The New England Patriots. I got the
Speaker 1: Patriots wrong last week. Let me just be the first
Speaker 1: to say that. But I don't understand why this is
Speaker 1: only two and a half given what we've seen with
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. I think Kyler Murray will make
Speaker 1: one or two huge plays here to win this game
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals and to cover and this will finally
Speaker 1: be the game or the Patriots clinch their season win
Speaker 1: total under uh in what is just a lost season
Speaker 1: in New England. I just think the Cardinals are a
Speaker 1: better football team all around, and uh, I don't think
Speaker 1: here's the only The only caveat is Cliff the Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's got to get his act together. Here late in
Speaker 1: games and figure out what's going on. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that concerns me here. But I'm just gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play the minus to what happen. I play my
Speaker 1: early instinct on guessing lines and not overthink this. Going
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, it's it's it's fewer than three points.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Give me the Cardinals pick number two. Mr. Felika,
Speaker 1: I'm Matt rule is is one of my guys who
Speaker 1: who have loved in college and gotten to know. And uh,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I don't even know if Petria Walker
Speaker 1: is gonna play or if Teddy Bridgewater is gonna play.
Speaker 1: But but that defense I think going against even if
Speaker 1: I had a dealing can't play. I think Minnesota can
Speaker 1: basically hand the ball off the Dalbytin Cook thirty five
Speaker 1: times and they can cover the four or four and
Speaker 1: act against Carolina. I think a couple of turnovers last
Speaker 1: week kind of given a game away against Dallas, but
Speaker 1: they probably should have won to uh to stop that
Speaker 1: three game winning streak. Uh. I can't see the Carolina
Speaker 1: rushed defense having too much success against Dalvin Cook and
Speaker 1: that and that Vikings offends coming off of a loss
Speaker 1: home game before they gotta win to Soota. They hat
Speaker 1: to schedule the next couple of weeks to get back
Speaker 1: to five hundred and put themselves back in the playoff race.
Speaker 1: Because they got Pathers, Jaguars, Bears against that's three wins,
Speaker 1: and then they got a couple of road games against
Speaker 1: the Bucks in the Saints and the line, so it
Speaker 1: looks like they potentially could get to uh to nine
Speaker 1: wins in a playoff spot with any of that. Any
Speaker 1: any path to a playoff begins with the win against
Speaker 1: the Panthers. I'm gonna lay the points with the Vikings
Speaker 1: at home against the Pathers on Saturday. Yeah, Vikings and
Speaker 1: Vikings are going to be in it in the race
Speaker 1: anyway with the expanded playoff format, for sure. Four minus
Speaker 1: four against Caroline at Chris's number three pick. Todd, wait,
Speaker 1: I have him minus four and a half. Actually, I
Speaker 1: gotta minus four across the board. Okay, we'll give the
Speaker 1: minus four. But yeah, I'll refresh just in case something happened.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think it's four. Let's see here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I stually, I see four is everywhere as
Speaker 1: were four and a half golden nugget Minnesota minus four.
Speaker 1: He's got it. Okay, you would like my third pick,
Speaker 1: and I am going to go. Guess what, folks, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it a hat trick. I'm going over again, folks.
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Kansas City Chiefs and Patty Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who I love with that great late game touchdown to
Speaker 1: push it over for me last week. And the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs against your Tommy terrific Dampa Bay Buccaneers, who
Speaker 1: also crap the bed late against the Rams, which also
Speaker 1: helped me the past week. So I'm happy with both
Speaker 1: of these clubs lately. I like Kansas City to go over.
Speaker 1: There's really nothing to say there. It's Kansas City. The
Speaker 1: only thing that really stops them is when the other
Speaker 1: team just plays so far back they have to dink
Speaker 1: and dunk it down the field and they end up
Speaker 1: with a seven minute drive. But even the seven minute
Speaker 1: drives end up in touchdown. So that's seven points in
Speaker 1: seven minutes. You're fine. So the Kansas City Chiefs are
Speaker 1: gonna move the football. Tampa Bay. Look, Tampa Bay stopped
Speaker 1: the run last night against the Rams, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: stop anybody throwing the football last night. It was all
Speaker 1: Jared Goff could do to mess up that game. He
Speaker 1: was trying desperately, but he could not mess up that game.
Speaker 1: There were wide receivers named Cooper Cup running all over
Speaker 1: the field wide open. What the hell is gonna happen
Speaker 1: when Tyreek Hill was running all over the field or
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's running over the field. The Buccaneers are gonna
Speaker 1: give up points and I think Tommy Terrific could probably
Speaker 1: have a pocket that's somewhat clean to throw to Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown and Evans. And the Chiefs are not really doing
Speaker 1: it on defense. I mean, the Raiders met up and
Speaker 1: down the field against them, and many of the other
Speaker 1: games the Chiefs don't kill you on on defense. There
Speaker 1: are offensive football team. These are two offensive football teams.
Speaker 1: Give me over fifty five and a half. Make fun
Speaker 1: of me. Go ahead, my go ahead, all right, let
Speaker 1: me get back on pace. My third pick, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take in late three points with the Raiders at the Falcons.
Speaker 1: I really think this Raiders team is just keeps improving.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought their performance Sunday night flattered them too.
Speaker 1: I really do. This is a tough team my homes
Speaker 1: to stop at any time. They were able to get
Speaker 1: a few state just the offense didn't score one one
Speaker 1: more time catches that ball down the sidelines that Mike
Speaker 1: me or you would have caught sliding situation. They win
Speaker 1: the football games. I'm not sure the Raiders aren't the
Speaker 1: top three team in the f C. I think this
Speaker 1: is a good team. They play well in special teams
Speaker 1: as well. I know their defense isn't stout, but they
Speaker 1: do play well in special teams. They get enough stops
Speaker 1: to take control in most games. Grooon has done a
Speaker 1: beautiful job with this offense. They can run the ball,
Speaker 1: they can throw wide, they can control the possession with
Speaker 1: their tight ends. I like them here. The Falcons disappointing effort.
Speaker 1: I thought against New Orleans, a lot of people like
Speaker 1: New Orleans and or the Falcons in that spot, and
Speaker 1: they got dominated. I think the Raiders will continue. They'll
Speaker 1: bounce back here and I'll lave a field goal in Atlanta. Sorry,
Speaker 1: without order, that's okay. That way, I knew how much
Speaker 1: catching up I needed to do. Final final pick for
Speaker 1: me Um taking the Kansas City Chiefs in that game
Speaker 1: that you referenced earlier, Todd minus three and a half
Speaker 1: against the Buccaneers. I did think Tom Brady showed himself
Speaker 1: once again yesterday to be and there's no shame in this.
Speaker 1: He's forty three years old. ESPN flashed it up during
Speaker 1: the broadcast yesterday. He was one for nine on passes
Speaker 1: thrown fifteen plus yards down the field, with two interceptions,
Speaker 1: one for nine two picks. Those picks were bad. And
Speaker 1: I had a Bucks ticket yesterday, and I think that
Speaker 1: game should have been a Rams blowout. There were so
Speaker 1: many things that happened in that game that kept it close.
Speaker 1: One of them was, ah, by the way I got
Speaker 1: on Rams plus three when the Rams were averaging six
Speaker 1: point seven yards of play and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Speaker 1: were only averaging four point three yards of play. The
Speaker 1: score was tied seventeen all you are absolutely right. That
Speaker 1: should have been a Rams blowout, and had Mitvey not
Speaker 1: pulled the plug with twelve minutes to go in the game,
Speaker 1: it would have been. Well, there was a couple. There
Speaker 1: was a few things. One there was a phantom flag
Speaker 1: on Jalen Ramsey when the Rams were up seven to
Speaker 1: nothing and it was a third down on the would
Speaker 1: have and that and we don't seize enough on these
Speaker 1: things after the fact. And I can't prove this to you,
Speaker 1: but that game could have been completely different without that flag.
Speaker 1: It could have been the Rams like completely destroying them
Speaker 1: in the first half then and that was almost like
Speaker 1: an arm punched from Brady there on that past too. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and and there was a couple of times where
Speaker 1: the Rams had it in high levelge situations in field
Speaker 1: goal range third and one in the third quarter, they're
Speaker 1: they're matriculating the ball down the field easily, and then
Speaker 1: McVeigh calls a run right into a Dominican Sioux they're
Speaker 1: forced to kick a Matt Gay field goal at misses.
Speaker 1: And then the final drive where they took the lead
Speaker 1: to for good, there was the oddest sequence. They're like
Speaker 1: running on third and eight at the end, like just
Speaker 1: very odd. And if he was able to run the
Speaker 1: ball three times, or if they couldn't run the clock out,
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense. Brady was always going to get
Speaker 1: it back with two minutes left, so the run, the
Speaker 1: run to the weak side there was incredulous. And then
Speaker 1: they didn't. Here's the thing, the Rams did not run
Speaker 1: the football the whole game. Even when they were dominating
Speaker 1: the game, they were just throwing the cup every single down.
Speaker 1: And guess what with twelve minutes the oh they were
Speaker 1: up a touchdown and decided, oh, we're gonna be like
Speaker 1: a real football team where we're hand off with the
Speaker 1: lead and try to run the clock out. It didn't work.
Speaker 1: They gave three drives with nothing. They could have won
Speaker 1: that game by three touchdowns had they kept throwing the football.
Speaker 1: But like an idiot, McVeigh got scared, Like an NFL
Speaker 1: head coach, you know how they get conservative. And by
Speaker 1: the way, same thing happened on the third night that
Speaker 1: you mentioned Gil. Why did he run the ball on
Speaker 1: that third night? He got scared of golf. Now I
Speaker 1: understand golf is scary. I wrote on Twitter, I'm taking
Speaker 1: the rams. I know Golf's gonna shoot his pants and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be crying later. But you know you can't run.
Speaker 1: If you can't run the ball, throw the football, no
Speaker 1: one's stopping you. Those are those are bad picks on
Speaker 1: both sides. That last pick from Brady to to seal
Speaker 1: the deal, he saw that that safety was right in
Speaker 1: front of him. He had to see him, and he
Speaker 1: still threw it. It was picked off um short week
Speaker 1: for the Bucks. Kansas City minus three and a half
Speaker 1: is my final pick. If you can beat me, Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Bucks tip of the cap, I'll take Patty Mahomes
Speaker 1: in the Kander Chill. I have a question for you,
Speaker 1: what what division is Kansas City Chiefs in A West?
Speaker 1: And is there a team named the Vic Fangio's in
Speaker 1: the in the a f C West's correct? I just
Speaker 1: want to tell you a little story about Vic Fangio.
Speaker 1: I've never ever won a bet with or against Vic
Speaker 1: Fangio in my entire life. In fact, he may be
Speaker 1: the most maddening coach of all time for me, even
Speaker 1: worse than Anthony Lynn. But this past week, folks, I
Speaker 1: took the Denver Broncos and they beat a little team.
Speaker 1: You might know the name of them. That's right, it's
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins. They even gave me a
Speaker 1: win against Fangio. How the hell did I got a
Speaker 1: w with Victor? How did I get a w with
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio? It's never happened in the past. Yes, well done.
Speaker 1: Way to wedge that in there time I had to
Speaker 1: wedge it in people go crazy if I don't get
Speaker 1: the Miami dol what a division of the Chiefs play? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me right, U, Chris, you had at that was
Speaker 1: good for Survivor purposes. Dr called be blott and a
Speaker 1: question for Mike here because I see Adam Schefter talking
Speaker 1: about the Ravens had a whole bunch more positive, like,
Speaker 1: like what happened? Are there any stipulations in the the
Speaker 1: circus Survivor? Like if one of these games on Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: get canceled? Like is it just okay everybody's dealing with
Speaker 1: the with the same situation, or like what happens if
Speaker 1: that that Ravens Steelers game can't get played? Or maybe
Speaker 1: if unfortunately reading the sad news out of Dallas, if
Speaker 1: something happens with a delay in that game, Like are
Speaker 1: there any stipulations where the rules might be changed just
Speaker 1: extended into the weekend? Excellent questions. I'll say this in
Speaker 1: the most empathetic way. I can you lose. Anybody that
Speaker 1: had plays on those teams loses, whether it's Dallas or
Speaker 1: the game must be finished by two am Friday morning Pacific.
Speaker 1: That's the rule. You have to pick a winner on Thanksgiving. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's just like the other weeks, if you had
Speaker 1: to pick on those on any of those teams, you
Speaker 1: have to pick a winner, someone that wins. How about
Speaker 1: if you have a couple of ties on Thanksgiving? That
Speaker 1: really interesting as well, and so possible. It's very possible
Speaker 1: with ten minute over time, it's very possible coming over
Speaker 1: time three toss up games exactly. The deadline for the
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving games is okay, ten pm Pacific, you have to
Speaker 1: get it in pm Pacific and the Wednesday night one
Speaker 1: am one am Eastern Thursday morning. So don't wait think
Speaker 1: you can get it in at eight am Thursday. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get locked out Wednesday night. Make sure you let
Speaker 1: your proxy know or make sure you get your pick
Speaker 1: in yourself. You've said it over under on the number
Speaker 1: of entries that you don't think we'll get in. Paullie
Speaker 1: Howard follow the Money Fame, asked me this question Sunday.
Speaker 1: He said, how many Thanksgiving and wouldn't get in? And
Speaker 1: now we knew we were down to about two twelve
Speaker 1: to two oh nine based on the Monday night game.
Speaker 1: I said, a look at ten out of eleven weeks
Speaker 1: when everybody knew the deadline was three pm Pacific on Saturday.
Speaker 1: We had people not get picks in four this past week.
Speaker 1: Now we're changing the deadline. I put it at six
Speaker 1: and a half. Six and a half, wow, I think
Speaker 1: good number. I think it could go over. I really
Speaker 1: did if there were just if there's nobody, if everybody
Speaker 1: gets it, and I'll be very shocked. I would be too.
Speaker 1: Do you have and this is going to screw them up? Ahead? Sorry, Chris, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you have any idea? How
Speaker 1: many people have multiple entries left? Just to talk about
Speaker 1: that that taking taking Houston, taking Detroit strategy, Like I'm
Speaker 1: because I agree, like I think almost at this point,
Speaker 1: like if you have two left, the idea is to
Speaker 1: win and if you can advance and guarantee yourself, I
Speaker 1: almost think you have to sacrifice an entry and take
Speaker 1: both side. But but do you have, like any idea? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have I have an idea. We we know it, right,
Speaker 1: you can go on and look at it. I think
Speaker 1: it's something like twenty six or twenty seven. It's not
Speaker 1: as many as you'd think, you know, and then and
Speaker 1: then the majority of hundred and forty or whatever have
Speaker 1: one entry left. There's a couple with three. No one
Speaker 1: has more than three. Chris and I have on group
Speaker 1: text with it with our buddy, though. We were trying
Speaker 1: to convinced him, like because he's got he's got two,
Speaker 1: and we're like, you're crazy if you don't do this,
Speaker 1: and he he may think that we're trying to hoodwink
Speaker 1: him or I'm trying to hoodwink only having one in there. Um,
Speaker 1: but if I had to, that's absolutely how we played.
Speaker 1: If they were not, if they were not this close
Speaker 1: up games, right, these three matchups weren't this close, I
Speaker 1: might say, he's right, I'm all shot. Bought one entry
Speaker 1: this year and he has it live. Yeah, And he
Speaker 1: said the biggest gambling mistake he made in recent memories
Speaker 1: not buying multiple entries in this because he needed to
Speaker 1: going into into Thursday. He's right, I only bought two
Speaker 1: and I regret like getting five. Yeah, alright, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not making a survivor pick because I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know. Favorite six point teaser to team
Speaker 1: teaser of the week, Chris, we start with you. It's
Speaker 1: got it. It's I mean, it's got to be the
Speaker 1: one that everyone's gonna go with, right, is it Isn't
Speaker 1: it gonna be Rams Packers, Rams Packers, Man, that might
Speaker 1: be one, might be one Rams Packers, Todd or no key. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm using the Rams as well. And then I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sort of torn um, I'm sort of toward on
Speaker 1: the second one. Uh boy, who are you going with
Speaker 1: on your teaser? Rams? Packers? Rams? Down to what we're
Speaker 1: up to? What Rams goes to Rams to one and
Speaker 1: the Packers going to two and a half? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Packers goes to and a half. I'll take I'll take
Speaker 1: the Dolphins down to one. That's what I was doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Rams Dolphins, Rams Dolphins for me to Todd.
Speaker 1: That's exactly Rams Dolphins and Rams Dolphins for Gil. I
Speaker 1: am going to go with my pick with that I
Speaker 1: wrote down here is Cleveland minus a half. I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry when that one doesn't happen. I know
Speaker 1: it's accident, but I'm gonna do it any Cleveland minus
Speaker 1: a half and I'm gonna take Green Bay minus too,
Speaker 1: all right? Uh? Final two questions? Which are the big favorites?
Speaker 1: Do you think is most likely to lose outright, there's
Speaker 1: not a whole bunch of these Cleveland. They are six
Speaker 1: and a half point favorites at Jacksonville. That's choice number one. Miami,
Speaker 1: seven point favorites at the Jets, Rams, seven point favorites
Speaker 1: hosting the Niners, Green Bay eight and a half point
Speaker 1: favorites hosting these Chicago Bears. Those are your four choices.
Speaker 1: We're not going to include the five and a halfs
Speaker 1: and sixes. So those are your four choses. Cleveland againting
Speaker 1: to reiterate Cleveland, Miami, Rams, Packers, Chris most likely to
Speaker 1: lose out right, Well, I took jackson Will plus the point,
Speaker 1: so I'm not I'll just stick with Jacksonville just because
Speaker 1: of a lot of respect to half for that Cleveland offense.
Speaker 1: Right now, Mikey, same Cleveland, Cleveland for sure. For me
Speaker 1: to todd, uh, you know what, I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins could theoretically lose. I know it's crazy
Speaker 1: to say, but they've gotten so many you know, all
Speaker 1: the breaks have been falling for them, and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they were playing a little bit, they got got
Speaker 1: a little bit too far out in front of their
Speaker 1: skis and they lose the Denver. Maybe the Jets could
Speaker 1: pull a crazy upset. Who knows. The Jets have looked
Speaker 1: not terrible. I mean they looked not terrible against New England.
Speaker 1: They played well in the second half against San Diego
Speaker 1: or l A Chargers. It doesn't play well in the
Speaker 1: second half against the Chargers. Every team in history, no
Speaker 1: matter how good or bad, they are dominant in the
Speaker 1: second half against Anthony Lynn. That's a good point. Good point, Mikey,
Speaker 1: very good point, true Dad, Alright, final question, we lived
Speaker 1: in a a bizarro world. We have to make a bet
Speaker 1: on the side, and every single one of these games
Speaker 1: except for one. Chris, what's the game you'd want no
Speaker 1: part of on the side? Seattle Philadelphia? No, No, I
Speaker 1: want nothing to do with that game. The Eagles are awful.
Speaker 1: But do you really trust that Seattle Tea. I mean
Speaker 1: that that that line. I want no part of betting
Speaker 1: on that game. I think it was Todd that said
Speaker 1: like that that backdoor could be wide open with how
Speaker 1: bad that Saddle defense is. At the same time, with
Speaker 1: how awful the Eagles have been, I could just see
Speaker 1: them showing up one one game and keeping this game close.
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with the money night game, Mikey,
Speaker 1: Let's see if we're sitting pout to go on this.
Speaker 1: This maybe the week we differ. Okay, this may be
Speaker 1: the week we differ. I'm going Steelers Ravens. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I want no part of this. Greg Roman, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's terrible. He's a one hit wonder. He well, Kaepernick
Speaker 1: was good for a year with them, and then everybody
Speaker 1: figured he has no creativity. If you want to run
Speaker 1: the football, hire Gary Kubiak is your offensive coordinator. Okay.
Speaker 1: I can't stand that he should go back to the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit and him seeking. I'm done with the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I can't play him. They dominated this game the first time,
Speaker 1: and he decided he wanted to make Lamar Jackson a
Speaker 1: drop back pass her and throw two interceptions. All Right,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't bet on the Ravens anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm done with them. I'm not gonna bet gainst him either.
Speaker 1: I'm off this game. Holy Spirit what Obsecon? Holy Spirit? Obsecon? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for leaving the cross at home today.
Speaker 1: I was terrifying. What's that? Terrifying? Holy Spirit of Ubsecon.
Speaker 1: It's the guy that couldn't do it, couldn't do. It's arithmetic.
Speaker 1: That's what they put in Catholic schools, the curciffect. That's
Speaker 1: for anybody that doesn't get their addition effects right. Big
Speaker 1: blood side, Holy Spirit of obsecon over incarnate word tonight
Speaker 1: in college basketball that should be huge Steelers Ravens for you, Todd, Yes,
Speaker 1: Steelers Ravens. I don't want any part of because I
Speaker 1: think the Ravens should have won the first football game
Speaker 1: if you watched it carefully. The Steelers were outgained by
Speaker 1: one point three gazillion yards. But somehow we're able to
Speaker 1: come up with a Steeler Yinzer victory. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: who could take the Ravens. Mike just went chapter and
Speaker 1: verse on that, including some Catholicism that none of us understood,
Speaker 1: but clearly you can't watch them. So I don't want
Speaker 1: any part of this game. I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen about FeliCa. He said, you know, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't understand Catholicism. What does that mean what he said
Speaker 1: none of us understand the Catholicism he was talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm highly offended about that. St. John. St. John the
Speaker 1: eventless church and example, New York. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, that aspersion
Speaker 1: that he did to you. I am sorry. I will
Speaker 1: take back that comment because I forgot that Chris is
Speaker 1: actually an intelligent Catholic and not just a talker of Catholicism,
Speaker 1: but an actual actor of Catholicism. He's a follower of
Speaker 1: Christ rather than a talker of Christ. That's the ultimate argument, Todd.
Speaker 1: Was it faith or good works? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: We could do another hour, but we got a chiropractic,
Speaker 1: not faith in good works. It's bullshitting and spouting truth
Speaker 1: rather than acting truth. You, my friend, are a bullshitter
Speaker 1: of truth. Christie, actor of truth. Wow, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. Try I try and live, I try and
Speaker 1: be a good person. I try and act. As as Jews,
Speaker 1: we had to put our whole lives on somebody to
Speaker 1: pull something out for us. In a big spot, we'd
Speaker 1: go with Chris over Mikey. Come on, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. What do you mean, like in a
Speaker 1: in a Holocaust situation? Like what are you talking about? Like?
Speaker 1: Who was saying Moses, Moses came through in a big spot? Todd?
Speaker 1: Moses came through in a big spot. I had to
Speaker 1: put one call. I was talking about, like who's going
Speaker 1: to make the correct you know, Uber delivery order was
Speaker 1: talking about. I thought. I was like, Chris, you gotta
Speaker 1: save me. I got one call to men Mikey or Chris.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'd love to I would love to be
Speaker 1: someone's lifeline on who wants to be a millionaire. I
Speaker 1: would love to get that call. Oh yeah, I tend.
Speaker 1: I tend to think I know a lot of like
Speaker 1: meetingless ship every now, and that's just random idol like
Speaker 1: carn events. And in fact it's speaking of uber eats.
Speaker 1: You you Uber up some mus for peppies for me there,
Speaker 1: Todd You peppies are from Promote Brothers. Guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a sad story. Since June
Speaker 1: of twenty one, of two thousand nineteen, I haven't eaten
Speaker 1: anything delicious, so I can't go to either of those spots,
Speaker 1: you know, But my sugar level is down. And even
Speaker 1: though I haven't played tennis in six weeks because of
Speaker 1: my hamstring, I've been keeping it under two fifties. So
Speaker 1: I have to say that's a good news. He was
Speaker 1: asking for him. You don't have to eat any of
Speaker 1: it Toime. Oh yeah, I mean I'll take I'll take
Speaker 1: a Roethelsberger Chiefe steak with some some a couple of
Speaker 1: goall on there as well. With that, I would go
Speaker 1: permanties for you, Chris, Like if I had to make
Speaker 1: you one sandwich for the rest of your life, I'll
Speaker 1: go permanies for you. See, my my wife is is
Speaker 1: a ganger as well, and she's very pro peppies and
Speaker 1: just like the fries on the sandwiches, big signature move.
Speaker 1: Where is she from the burg? Where is she? Oh,
Speaker 1: she's done Fox Chapel and that she's one of them
Speaker 1: rich girls, probably go to one of them private and
Speaker 1: that I get it. She's doing undone in Millville or
Speaker 1: one of them more working class areas. She's hanging out
Speaker 1: in Fox Chapel thinking she's better than arrest of us.
Speaker 1: Don aarony celebrity. I know what it is. Her parents
Speaker 1: was in the Strip district, so they're they're they're there.
Speaker 1: Was Todd recting a scene from all the right moves?
Speaker 1: What was that speech? Was somewhepping my wife? But I
Speaker 1: think it was ripping my wife. I wasn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was just making very wealthy. It's a very very
Speaker 1: wealthy area in Pittsburgh, and uh, a typical Yanzer would
Speaker 1: would probably say, oh, those those are rich people think
Speaker 1: they're better than us than that. All right, we oows
Speaker 1: it out. I don't think anybody cares about what game
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play, but it's probably appropriate to end it
Speaker 1: with this. The game that I would would stay away
Speaker 1: from might end up being the game I have to
Speaker 1: end up picking. In Survivor Houston at Detroit. I would
Speaker 1: want no part of this against the spread. And yet
Speaker 1: I think on Thanksgiving, because I don't have Pittsburgh, and
Speaker 1: because Washington and Dallas vexes me in in so many ways,
Speaker 1: and who knows what's going on with the Dallas tragedy,
Speaker 1: I may have to end up picking for my Survivor
Speaker 1: life the game I would want no part of it.
Speaker 1: Here's a question of the two hundred and nine that
Speaker 1: are left, what will be the most common selection on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day? Based on percentages of entries left. It will
Speaker 1: not be Pittsburgh and Baltimore. It will be Dallas. I
Speaker 1: think you playing quarterback Gilford Detroit. We think Matthew staff Stafford.
Speaker 1: I think Stafford he played the entire game with Southern, right,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, and you're thinking, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go with Euston. Is that what you said? Oh? I
Speaker 1: said it one of those two teams. One of those
Speaker 1: two teams, either Euston or Detroit. Correct. Um, God, I
Speaker 1: feel bad for you. It's the worst. It's the worst.
Speaker 1: Do I mean, what what did Mike and Derek do
Speaker 1: by making people take one of those two horrible teams
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving? Horrible? Did you that's a great question. Did
Speaker 1: you guys when you made the Thanksgiving rule? Did you
Speaker 1: consider that these were the exact three matchups? Yes, but here,
Speaker 1: if we wouldn't have had the million dollar bonus for
Speaker 1: an undefeated season, I don't think we'd have the Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: as its own week. See, I think one were trying
Speaker 1: to protect the story one led to the other. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, we have a few hurdles, you know, set
Speaker 1: the bar a little higher. But it's ruined a lot
Speaker 1: of people's lives. According to some common friend of ours,
Speaker 1: I mean it's ruined their life. My life is ruined.
Speaker 1: The whole thing and everything was ever he was gonna win,
Speaker 1: and if there was no shot, he couldn't go undefeated.
Speaker 1: But because of this week, it's ruined his whole life.
Speaker 1: Who said that somebody, somebody that we have we're common with,
Speaker 1: that are on different commons text strings with us. It
Speaker 1: has certainly thrown my life into a spiral. He's cursed
Speaker 1: Derek an eye for a month about this. Mike, he
Speaker 1: are you talking about a Stanford graduate? We may know, yes,
Speaker 1: David Shaw's close friend. Uh, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: the refereeing last night? Though? It was a historic night,
Speaker 1: he said, And he was glad it was brought to
Speaker 1: light and then it was celebrated. And he's just a
Speaker 1: little confused about the double pass. Just curious at by
Speaker 1: the way, I have a great question about the double pass.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: This is a serious question. What happens if the ball
Speaker 1: gets tipped backwards right and instead of now, in this case,
Speaker 1: Brady just grabbed it and through it, so it was
Speaker 1: a forward pass. But what if the ball would have
Speaker 1: got tipped really really far back, like ten yards further backwards,
Speaker 1: and Brady would have caught the ball and therefore it
Speaker 1: would have been a backward pass. Would he have been
Speaker 1: able to throw a forward pass at that point? No,
Speaker 1: it's not how far back you hit it. The first
Speaker 1: motion was forward, Todd. It doesn't matter if they batted it. No. No, Mike,
Speaker 1: you don't understand my question. You're not understand adding your
Speaker 1: own question, the dumbest thing you've ever said, how do
Speaker 1: you define what a backward pass is? Is it a
Speaker 1: pass that goes forward and then ends up behind where
Speaker 1: you threw it? Is a backward pass means that it
Speaker 1: goes backwards lateral to the line of scrimmage. Right, didn't
Speaker 1: you see the Music City Miracle. That's the definition of
Speaker 1: the lateral that I'm coming up with a different scenario
Speaker 1: where you know you're not throw it forward. Let's say
Speaker 1: you're standing on you just define your question. You threw
Speaker 1: it forward. That is not a backward pass because it
Speaker 1: is forward one second the ball, the ball lands in
Speaker 1: somebody's hands back on the fifteen, It couldn't theoretically be
Speaker 1: a backward pass, even though so once it's a little
Speaker 1: bit forward, that's the end of it. Yes, correct, Just
Speaker 1: like once Tom Brady's hand went a little bit forward
Speaker 1: with the ball in it, it becomes an incomplete pass.
Speaker 1: The real question because that crew chief Jerome Bogar made
Speaker 1: a great call whistling it dead. He saw it, he
Speaker 1: was looking right at it. And and another thing, you
Speaker 1: can't replay that because the whistle stops it. There can't
Speaker 1: be immediate recovery when there's a whistle a tenth of
Speaker 1: a millisecond after the play happens. Here's the real question
Speaker 1: on that. On the double pass, when they marked it
Speaker 1: fourth and two, what if Tampa Bay decided to go
Speaker 1: for it? Well, somebody asked that question as well. They
Speaker 1: said what if they went for it and made it?
Speaker 1: I think mcphigh would have made an argument. Seriously, this
Speaker 1: is like when Coarnti in the playoff game in Houston
Speaker 1: and they they received it and tossed the ball to him.
Speaker 1: He wanted to call it a touchdown. He want the
Speaker 1: alternative official head to tell Tony Corenti what the role was.
Speaker 1: My god, they threw Ben Drife out because he was
Speaker 1: seventy and they got Coarnti doing every primetime game. What
Speaker 1: is he got? What is he got pictures of river
Speaker 1: On with Donna Ponti? What is going on? By the way,
Speaker 1: this is why we have to re enact the outcome,
Speaker 1: not the alcohol of fantastic finished, but the fantastic finishing. Oh,
Speaker 1: you make the call. That's the best. Here's this duation.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up the situation. Do you remember do
Speaker 1: you remember to IBM, you make the call? Ben dreyth
Speaker 1: is the official in tonight's game, Like somebody has back
Speaker 1: in the NFL office, have pictures of him in a position,
Speaker 1: what is the call if somebody fumbles inside two minutes?
Speaker 1: Do you remember the show on HBO, not necessarily the
Speaker 1: news face Stewart, they would do takeoffs if you make
Speaker 1: the call, And they showed a play where the Patriots
Speaker 1: punted to the Jets. That Patriots had thirteen men on
Speaker 1: the punting team and the Jets setsteen men on the
Speaker 1: receiving team. You make the call, and they had been
Speaker 1: aligned some twenty yards because they had four more over,
Speaker 1: there's five yards for everybody over. It was a great show,
Speaker 1: not necessarily that those are the greatest fifteen seconds of
Speaker 1: our childhood where you have to make the call in
Speaker 1: between those that you who he's the alcohol of fantastic
Speaker 1: don't fantastic finishes? And now I'll go off fantastic finishes.
Speaker 1: Ready to go, all right, Chris, Chris has gotta go.
Speaker 1: You know what? My favorite one was when the Steelers,
Speaker 1: the Steelers beat the Browns in overtime in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: nine on a flee flicker to Benny Cunningham in the
Speaker 1: end zone in the overtime fifteen nine. Amazing Benny Cunningham,
Speaker 1: who was the other tight end quick Randy Grossman, a
Speaker 1: jew who lived literally six blocks from my house where
Speaker 1: I'm sitting currently right now. That's why on the leaflet,
Speaker 1: On the leaflet, and on those words, we conclude Chris
Speaker 1: has got a doctor's appointment. I get your next fit,
Speaker 1: Chris Felika for me, s we hads college game day
Speaker 1: stand receive for the Bear podcast, of course Daily Wager.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I want to make a public, formal apology to Mike.
Speaker 1: I was a little hard on him about his religiosity,
Speaker 1: and I want to make a public apology because he
Speaker 1: actually is a good guy and people don't take it
Speaker 1: the wrong way. I actually like Mike very much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Based on my public image. I must accept your apology.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've never seen I've never seen you
Speaker 1: so excited in your life about that referee stuff. It's Coarnti.
Speaker 1: It's say this is a nightmare, over and over with Coarnti.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was fine fifteen years ago. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even know where he's at. He doesn't know what day
Speaker 1: it is. Every play there's a huddle. He's always confused,
Speaker 1: he's always cloudy. He's a nice man. He was a
Speaker 1: school principal in California. That's all good now, but now
Speaker 1: he should be an advisor. He can't be on the
Speaker 1: field anymore. Happy Thanksgiving everybody, Thanks for listening to the BANKAPO.
Speaker 1: Good luck with all your bets.